I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar': 1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical) 2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
A 4th plus a quartertone is very close to the 11th harmonic, so theoretically you can make a consonant chord with it. But it works better higher on the neck. Quartertone also has a flat minor 7th a little closer to the 7th harmonic. Now you can play some King Gizzard.
Wanting to get closer to the 7th harmonic is like 90% of the reason I got into microtonality in the first place. Grew up listening to barbershop music because of my dad, and I've been chasing that sound ever since lmao
I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar': 1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical) 2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
I've tested tuning the top string down a quartertone to familiarize with the sound, trying to play melodies hocketing between two strings. Another trick in standard tuning is emulating the microtonal inclinations by sliding into the notes that are supposed to be lower in pitch like the third or the seventh to kind of give them a lower feel.
This is a great idea and like most great ideas it's very simple! I bet many people who have invested in a microtonal neck have decided it wasn't for them & made an unnecessary expenditure This is a way of trying it out if you find it very useful or even can't live without it then you can go with the fancy neck route IMO
I love this! There’s lots of potential for various microtonal setups by tuning the strings differently. Three strings each a sixth of a tone apart could also be interesting. And it’d be easy to play around with some of the larger intervals just by tuning one string a quarter tone off for an easy way into microtonal experimenting.
I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar': 1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical) 2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
I've been thinking about something similar, EaDgBe, with the small lettered strings being quarter tone off To play one of those "microtonal lofi hip hop" Adam Neely suggested. edit: I rewatched his video just to find that this is Adam's idea, not mine.
I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar': 1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical) 2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
@@-jank-willson I had some experience while working in the middle east of trying to play the oud. This was difficult. I played guitar and mandolin with local musicians. I could jam along with music that was arabic but only those pieces based on western influences (mostly spanish and russian or greek) in this way fretted instruments could play along with some of the arabic scales which contained notes in western scales like double harmonic minor et c . Those involving quarter tones were impossible and felt difficult to enjoy. Arabic music only has melody (sounds very folky warbling sliding between notes - nice but hard to replicate ) and rhythm (which I love) - harmony is not a key feature (which is a great pity) - . I am currently looking at a fretted oud . Your video has given me much food for thought - very unusual and refreshing . Cheers ps I love arabic music - especially the rhythms and singing - the sound of the oud is good just very hard to play - you idea reminds of the quarter tone piano invented in 1925 - its good way forward
@@-jank-willson HI, I typed a fairly large response to your question with a link for you - but it has disappeared/ I will have to re type tomorrow - sorry
Wait hold up. Since the pentatonic scale isn’t actually a single scale but simply a type of scale… which one is this? It’s sort of sounds like one of the Japanese modes but I Cant tell.
Would you ever try a guitar like this? Would you prefer extra frets, or a new tuning?
I'd have to try them but I think I'd rather just go fretless. Or maybe adjustable frets.
Like so: ua-cam.com/video/fslnX_OaZDs/v-deo.html
I'd absolutely play a guitar like this!
I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar':
1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical)
2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
Sure!
@@-jank-willson Thats almost like a harpeggi
this one is a fun brain game, glad i could share it!
Love how this channel is slowly turning into the Andy’s nerdy, weird and awesome guitar things show
A 4th plus a quartertone is very close to the 11th harmonic, so theoretically you can make a consonant chord with it. But it works better higher on the neck. Quartertone also has a flat minor 7th a little closer to the 7th harmonic. Now you can play some King Gizzard.
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Wanting to get closer to the 7th harmonic is like 90% of the reason I got into microtonality in the first place. Grew up listening to barbershop music because of my dad, and I've been chasing that sound ever since lmao
@@mintegral1719 Jon Catler is big on 7/4's with his custom guitar in Willie McBlind, 13 O'clock Blues Band, or back with Hansford Rowe.
@@epiphoney thanks for the recommendation!!
Loving this experimental stuff.
It is real fun for us, glad to hear that!
I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar':
1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical)
2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
I've tested tuning the top string down a quartertone to familiarize with the sound, trying to play melodies hocketing between two strings. Another trick in standard tuning is emulating the microtonal inclinations by sliding into the notes that are supposed to be lower in pitch like the third or the seventh to kind of give them a lower feel.
Cool idea. Of course, slide also gets you lots of notes between the notes.
This is a great idea and like most great ideas it's very simple!
I bet many people who have invested in a microtonal neck have decided it wasn't for them & made an unnecessary expenditure
This is a way of trying it out if you find it very useful or even can't live without it then you can go with the fancy neck route IMO
I love this! There’s lots of potential for various microtonal setups by tuning the strings differently. Three strings each a sixth of a tone apart could also be interesting. And it’d be easy to play around with some of the larger intervals just by tuning one string a quarter tone off for an easy way into microtonal experimenting.
I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar':
1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical)
2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
I've been thinking about something similar, EaDgBe, with the small lettered strings being quarter tone off
To play one of those "microtonal lofi hip hop" Adam Neely suggested.
edit: I rewatched his video just to find that this is Adam's idea, not mine.
He does it with a bass though doesn’t he? He wouldn’t have to worry about chords as much
Would love to see a 19-TET guitar demo here.
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YOU BENT MY BRAIN!!!!!!!
As a struggling oud player ..I’d like to give it a go.
So this would be 24edo I guess?
I just had an idea for a guitar variant called the 'diatar':
1. It would have 7 strings instead of 6; all strings would be the same gauge, metal type and wound/unwound status, etc. (identical)
2. each of the strings would be tuned to the 7-note diatonic scale, i.e. string 1: A, string 2: B, string 3: C, string 4: D, string 5: E, string 6: F, string 7: G
You mean … you designed a harp ..nice idea..tell me more .. what gauges ?
@@georgefenning4844 harps have way more strings. But yeah, another name for it could be the 'harpitar'.
As for guages, that would be up to the player
@@-jank-willson I had some experience while working in the middle east of trying to play the oud. This was difficult. I played guitar and mandolin with local musicians. I could jam along with music that was arabic but only those pieces based on western influences (mostly spanish and russian or greek) in this way fretted instruments could play along with some of the arabic scales which contained notes in western scales like double harmonic minor et c . Those involving quarter tones were impossible and felt difficult to enjoy. Arabic music only has melody (sounds very folky warbling sliding between notes - nice but hard to replicate ) and rhythm (which I love) - harmony is not a key feature (which is a great pity) - . I am currently looking at a fretted oud . Your video has given me much food for thought - very unusual and refreshing . Cheers ps I love arabic music - especially the rhythms and singing - the sound of the oud is good just very hard to play - you idea reminds of the quarter tone piano invented in 1925 - its good way forward
@@georgefenning4844 Are you saying that an oud is similar to my 'harpitar'/'diatar' concept?
@@-jank-willson HI, I typed a fairly large response to your question with a link for you - but it has disappeared/ I will have to re type tomorrow - sorry
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Now you can play out of tune…. On purpose!
Better than my usual game of doing it... not on purpose.
Andy builds the wackiest and most intellectual guitars. Keep em coming!
Brilliant.
Wait hold up. Since the pentatonic scale isn’t actually a single scale but simply a type of scale… which one is this? It’s sort of sounds like one of the Japanese modes but I Cant tell.
What direction does the guitar need?
How did he tune the guitar?
Whats the tuning?
Interesting experiment. What I would call Durian Tuning or Durian Mode. 🥴
just like a durian fruit, it has a fuwnky flavor to it
Gotta play some king gizzard
12 string guitars!!
I love it … ore please
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