Himalayan 450 vs KTM390 Adventure | PART 1 | Which is your choice?
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- Hello,
Finally we got the opportunity to do this comparison to find out which is the king of the middleweight touring motorcycles. Is it the well known and proved KTM390 Adventure or the new king in town, the Himalayan 450.
This is Part 1 of the video and I shall upload the Part 2 sometime next week.
Cheers!
#bigbearbangalore #himalayan450 #ktm390adventure #motorcyclelife #motorcyclemaintenance
00:00 - Intro
08:31 - Low End Torque
11:24 - Significant Differences
15:43 - Ergonomics
16:50 - Rider Controls
19:48 - Seating Comfort
21:08 - Instrument Cluster - Авто та транспорт
Love how you are addressing the issues being raised on social media. Unbiased and concise info..Thanks.
My pleasure!
I have a adv 390 and i have done 10k kms on it, I dont understand why people complain about stalling it hasn't stalled once unless it is ridden on the 3rd gear at 10 kmph, we have to understand how the ktm engines are meant to be ridden
I agree. Rider needs to bring the motorcycle to right gear and accelerate. I feel this automatically happens once you understand the machine. Having said that, the knocking sound in KTM when I test rode it is irritating( unless it is specific to the bike I rode)
@@cruise4224 exactly !!!
@@vishaalpamulapati7035People complain because the problem has plagued many 390 Adventure owners as well as BS6 390 Duke owners. The most common fixes were replacement of the clutch lever switch and cleaning (and sometimes replacement) of the throttle body. It was fixed for a friend of mine after he got a new throttle body.
You have a lover's caress my friend
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I feel the Himalayan is being squeezed alot by some youtubers and i dont find it fair, its a goddammn 450cc single cylinder bike which can do it all which is quite more than enough, great video sir🙋🏻♂️
Totally agree. Thanks.
Very true...buzz shouldn't be mistaken for Vibration.. in city conditions heat is a given.
Rode them both back to back on same city stretch.
Felt Himalayan tiring to ride in city as it's clutch is relatively harder but it was faster due to better initial torque, thus needed more shifting and breaking. Repeated over again, it was tiring. Also it felt ungainly big in city traffic.
Found KTM needed less work as it stayed slotted in lower gears. Also felt KTM was more sedate and lighter thus safer in city's thick traffic conditions.
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Was waiting for this…Thanks a lot!!!
Our pleasure!
I like your reviews ! More practical and very useful comparison ! Waiting for part 2 ! ❤❤
Coming soon!
I own a 390 ADV. The side by side image is definitely striking how much more ground clearance the 450 has. The 450 is also a very attractive bike. I am not a fan of the 390's parrot beak. I bought the 390 because of the huge value at the time. I believe 450 has closed the value gap. If I was chosing today it would be the 450, however the 2025 390 Adv looks to have best of both worlds.
Thanks for sharing. Regards.
Bosky you are the boss when it comes to provide right info ! Loved all your videos including this one
Glad you like them!
m riding since 2007 and riding og himalayan for 5 year.. this is correct review or detailing about any bike..❤
Thanks.
Bosky never disappoints, his reviews are always crisp with detailed explanations.
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Ur correct
I've set my mind on the Himalayan. I'm moving up from a 180cc Apache BS4. And I feel that the vibration and heat on the Himmy is significantly less. My hand sometimes tingles after long rides on my Apache, especially if I'm holding the RPM between 4500-5500 ( I took it to multiple service centres and enquired, apparently the 180cc carburettor engine is just buzzy in general). The engine heats up quite a bit in traffic too.
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Hey Bosky and CK, great video! Thanks 🙏🏾
Glad you enjoyed it
Finally someone spoke abt the sliding seats!!! Great review!
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Well explained about what is ‘ heating ‘ as most of the so-called reviewers simply inform its too hot , etc but your way of explaining it is much helpful for many to understand about the heating !!👍👍
Glad it was helpful!
Test rode the 390 adv today because I was getting confused watching the online comparisons while waiting for the Himalayan. Ended up getting even more confused after the test ride because of how similar both felt to ride. Thank god for your video. Your part 2 will make the decision for me! 😊
Should wait for the next gen 390 adv, should be a game changer, with the new frame and engine.
@@tulipgraceson9405there is always a next one.
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@@tulipgraceson9405 I would have but I don’t think it is coming anytime before 2025. By that time even Himalayan 650 may be on the horizon or BMW might finally wake up and upgrade the G310.
The next generation 390 is worth the wait
Good job Mahesh and Bosky, very good comparison between 2 good bikes
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Hey Bosky, it's a mature and well balanced review. Love the riding pants 👖 you are wearing. God bless you. Have a great time.
Thank you! You too!
I love how the video just started.. the lines on latest trend then the music.. just like a wow 👌😎
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Namaste awesome comparison review sir
Thank you so much waiting for next part
So nice of you
Huge fan of your content, concise and unbiased.
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I admire the sheer knowledge you two possess on this area!
One of the best comparisons out there.
I would love to get my Himalayan(coming soon) customised with ideas from you Bosky!
BTW.. Is that your real name?
Thanks. My friends call me Bosky.
I own a KTM 390 Adv 2020 model and low end torque and stalling issues were there. Had to ride 1/2 clutch at times. Then had FuelX Lite installed and it has made life much easier since.
I own the X version, coming from a 150CC. Everytime it has stalled it is cause I missed the clutch release and a gear mismatch.
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Love video's guys, when are you putting the triumph 400x true its paces.
Keep up the good work 👍 👍
Sooon! Thanks!
Thanks a ton bcoz few you tuber made me so much confused but finally u made me clear about buying Himi❤
Glad I could help.
beautifully compiled comparison.
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Wow your reviews are spot on i just test rode the ktm250 him 450 and the scram 400x everything you said i just perfect. i liked the braking in triumph 400x its not as bad as people say it is and himalayan 450 is terrific for a big single
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Hello!
I have booked the bike today ( moving up from a 160cc bike)
Have 2 questions
1) what was the wait time like? ( I’m being told 5 months, seems very high )
2) Did you opt for the rsa , extended engine warranty, engine guard accessory ? ( does it make sense to go for it basically)
RSA from RE in unreliable. I needed one while riding back from Motoverse and I was told the tow truck would come next morning !
Yes wait is 3 to 4 months. RSA yes, no EW yet. Waiting for engine guard.
Still into your review Bosky & I’m liking it so far. I get so mad when I see/hear all those unnecessary & unrealistic issues mentioned by those so called bloggers. On the air filter front while I understand it’s difficult for maintenance one big big advantage is that it will avoid so much of dust, sand & muck which otherwise would have been usually sucked through if the air filter was under the seat. I have a first had experience of it & know how much more damaging it is to the engine.
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Detailed and entertaining comparison between both bikes. Carry on the detailed technical reviews regarding nuances of motorcycles.
I would request Bigbear customs as a Yamaha fanboy for your inputs and suggestions for Yamaha to launch a 450cc single(for Indian budget consious mind) with very high performance (above 50 bhp and a lower compression ratio than 11.5 :1) with premium components.
It should be in a streetfighter, adventure and sport genres.
All expecting Yamaha to manufacture all their MT07, R7, Tenere 700, MT09,etc... to be manufactured in India atleast gradually. So that Indian public can get real taste of Yamaha without breaking the bank.
Also hope Maruthi Suzuki to launch the 3 door Jimny in India atleast in limited numbers for each and every year. If everything is seen based on practicality alone we cannot enjoy good things.
There should be options for our people.
Thanks for rhe comment.
Yamaha India has been in deep slumber for decades. East Asia is doing great so India is not their focus for small and mid some motorcycles.
Your reviews are to the point.
I have a question - I have 2019 electra bs4(22000km), recently on a tour to east & north Sikkim realised that 2 19inch wheels (Michelin tyre) with spokes and carborator is not enough to go with a group modern bikes (like Ktm 390,int 650, meteor 350,Honda 200x). Bike doesn't go beyond 100/kmph, loses lots of power in the heights. Even Honda 200x works better than my bullet. I have one advantage -seat & old handle bar which was relaxing. I don't like my foot pegs ( they are very close need them to be far) & gearing/ gear box. I am On an extreme budget. Don't want to buy a new motorcycle. But if I have to buy what bike should I buy?
Requirements -I am 6feet,have rib injury/muscle pain for 15years. Want a functional ride for myself,wife and a toddler.
What modifications can be made to my existing bullet?
Please help out.
You are an old soul.
Nothing realistic can be done. Only option is to buy a 500cc Bulllet used which is more powerful and retails all the ergo of the Bullet.
More than the motorcycles i like the comtemplating style of these men..Added to that,the background the way two bikes are oriented and they standing quite comfortable in front of bikes... Nice art😇
Many thanks.
19:25 the video gets stuck and no audio from here for few seconds ,plz do repair it
The review was going on flow and suddenly stopped thinking something wrong with my WiFi 😅 plz do recheck it
True… there is some problem with video
Tech glitch
Hello Bosky & CK
Ivr got the H450 a week back.. Im meeting a lot f these very curious people on road coming and asking these Questiins .. Suspension, heat, mileage, vibrations nd engine noise etc etc.
Just as you said .. its normal to have these for this segment, nd to be honest, the vibrations are way lesser than what ive expected. No issues while riding the lower RPMs (yes the engine feels smooth past 3200rpm)
As a downside i only felt the switches positions
Im 6.1 the riding position js quite neutral. But but when you stand up l, the handle bar feels to be a bit low for my liking. !
Nd im enjoying the new Himi as people calling it.
Ive been using the 90 STD 350 for the last 15+ years
Many thanks for sharing. Cheers!
@@bigbearbangalore just watched the H450 vs 390ADV part 2, the video went exactly the same way which I was thinking.. 😆 .
My plan to meet you is getting shifted..
Hopefully tomorrow
Arun sir❤❤❤
Most practical no nonsense man on UA-cam
I'm pretty sure you're referring to ontwowheelsben, when you say tractor 😂
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Very practical observation 👍👍👍. For me low end torque master is still 500 Uce , Interceptor is also awesome in low end torque.
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I don't think a review can be more accurate than this sir👌
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The one I was waiting for
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Knocked it out of the park CK & Bosky 👌👏 also, Mr. Andre Ballsquashky sounds like a very mean dude 😂
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Hello CK, you also should buy Himalayan 450, you both reminds me of Jai+Veeru , presently you both have V Strom 650 and now it will be awesome if both will be having Himalayan 450 👌👍
Looks like this will happen.
I have 500cc storme, I am planning to buy 450 however, Should I go for higher cc like 650 one or 450? Some are suggesting I should target higher cc as going to.lower capacity bike does not make sense. What should I do?
Your choice. CC is no longer the indicator of power and performance. Look at weight and power output and rideability.
Bosky Sir, now some are raising issues (might occur) 1. Shim Clearance, 2. Journal Bearing used has disadvantages. What is your thought on these assumptions, Sir?
No issues. Shim type engines have been around for a long time and so have journal bearings. Nothing to worry about.
Im an aspiring explorer, looking for 1 bike garage using xpulse as noob. However, ECO mode on himalayan puts out only 25 HP and seems good for newbie in this mode. Thoughts?
Xpulse is a good machine and youre no noob.
Test ride to know more about the H450.
Sir, can we install easy clutch on this new H450? This easy clutch will be same as H411, right? Or different? Please share link.
EasyClutch not yet available for the H450.
I had an issue with my handlebar on new Himalayan 450. and have heard a couple of other folks also had it (have posted a video on my channel regarding the same). Sir, have you encountered anything as such??
Haven't heard or experienced any such issues.
Do you recommend having crash guard on Himalayan from MIY program or aftermarket ?
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Sir i booked new himalayan 450 but i didnt do extended warrenty + road side assistance (5 years or 50000km ) sir is there i should worry or it is a concern thank u sir.
Your choice. I didn't take any of the extras.
I thought i lost connection at around 19:46 but seems like some editing issue. No worries, awesome review. Thanks…
Sorry for the tech glitch.
Confusious Conumdrumus... Hahaha, I almost coughed a fur ball.. Spot on and lovely rendezvous of a review. Also the toothpick on bubblegum for the toggle switch couldn't be more aptly put.. Felt the same way and boy the joystick feels like it can loose erection anytime and just go dead.. 😊
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This is the best review and comparison on UA-cam 👏.
I own a Dominar 400 and a KTM Duke 390. I took a test drive of the new Himalayan and immediately booked the bike because it's really good and affordable.
Great to hear!
I am sitting on the fence and it hurts like crazy !!! Nice video sir
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Bosky sir, your riding boot looks slick. Can you do a video on value for money riding gears. Helmet, boots, gloves, jackets etc on different budgets.
Yes that would really be helpful
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supertalented person,,,,,,i would say smart and mature,,,respect for u sir,,,,i m jealous that my friend got to meet u in person in an event in bangalore,,,,,
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The 390 is a parts bin special. It’s really a Duke GT. (I know- i owned one for a year) The Himalayan has been built from the ground up to do the job - lower seat height helps shorter people too.
Let's see what the new 390ADV will be like.
Sir with all that's transpired if you were in the market and these 2 were your options,which of them would you choose.
H450
@@bigbearbangalore that’s all I needed to know . I’ve been a cat on the wall all day going back and forth between the two .
sir well thought out content. a stupid question still i want to ask is which one should i buy? as i will shift from 150cc and will travel with pillion, mostly used in mountains. How is RE and KTM engine quality? as I rode Honda for the last 15yrs and clocked more than 1lacs kms without any issue. I am 5.9inch with 65kg kerb weight. What should you recommend for me. otherwise I have to purchase CB350RS.
Both are excellent. The 450 has better ride quality and better pillion comfort. Test ride with pillion to know more. The CB is good but in a different segment.
Thanks for your response. Sir, my primary consent for RE is it's weight and cone set issues, and engine quality in the long-run for KTM because it is a high compression engine. I have shortlisted a few CB 300F, CB350RS, KTM Adventure 250, 390, and Himalayan 452. Can you help me in this regard, what I should buy. I am 5.9 with 65kg weight.Can I manage RE in broken roads. I know this is a stupid question. Mostly I use this bike in the mountains, I need a better ground clearance.
You already have some information on the motorcycles so choose based on your comfort. Test ride and choose.
Good points as usual. The thing with on board display seems ridiculous. Why two screens have to be on at the same time. The integration of a display for navigation in the bike is to reduce the effort of our phones. But the display to be on always just puts the navigation on the dash a useless feature. The thing with plugging in the phone onboard while riding to compensate for the battery drain is just the way things are right now. Our phones have a huge display more information expert navigation so the cluster advertising as a good feature seems off😅
Weather protection and fall protection are a plus with this layout.
Hi Sir, there are some recent issues regarding chassis break on Himalay 452. Planning to book it. May I ask you to give me your opinion on these concerns
No thoughts now. Let the smoke and dust and social media over reactions settle down and then facts will likely emerge.
@@bigbearbangalore thank you
Its like two best-friends talking about their fav topic forever,
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Amazing video Bosky…Thank you very much for calling me 🎉🎉
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we should have the ability to change fonts or move stuff around in instrument cluster dash
I used to think i would like the data but I don't like to search for the data when riding ..they r good to look at when at rest and make decisions
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15:19 the higher air box on the Himi gives it better water wading capability, that is, if one is capable enough to ride the bike in deep waters and not drop it.
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I would love a comparo between the G310GS and the new Himalayan, no clue why there isn't even one on UA-cam!
GS 310 is out man. It's only a eye Candy. Expensive and doesn't serve the purpose.
@@VN11Prod My brother has one, and for some reason I felt it was way better to ride that the new Himalayan after the short test drive I took. I'm not an expert so can't really put it out properly. But the GS felt lighter, no nimble, more torqy and handled better atleast in the city. I don't know if it's just me...
If you see it on paper Himalayan has more Torque.
GS is light yes but light in power too.
Himalaya is heavy but doesn't feel heavy while driving.
Himalayan will be pocket friendly to maintain. On the other side GS has high maintenance, BMW charges a premium for everything
Main thing - You can get Himalayan fixed anywhere in India due to service network but that's not the case with BMW GS 310.
Himalayan is still value for money.
GS is like buying an iPhone IFKYK
@@VN11Prod But he's hardly ever hard to spend anything on the GS so far except for 7K for the service every year. His is a 2019 model.
On the other hand I spend close to 20k+ every year on my 2016 Thunderbird.
And yeah, might be that the weight isn't felt while we are out on the highway with the Himalayan, but I definitely felt the weight in stop and go city traffic.
I was dead set in getting the Himalayan seeing all the specs on paper and took the test drive just for the confirmation. But now looking at second hand lightly used GS's which is comparable and even less at times.
It's expensive for what it offers. Mojo was way better at all except the mild off roads due being slightly heavy.
Much needed... Commenting before even watching this video.😂
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Both are good bikes .. I owns ADV X 390 .. I am completely satisfied with the riding ergonomics , quicker, lighter and plush riding experience on highways with pillion comfort …
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Sir i am going to purchase my first bike i am confused b/w himalayan 450, ktm adv 390 & adv 250 please suggest with proper explanation which one is better for me, my age is 22 and my ride is 5 day city weekends long rides, Please Reply sir
Your choice. All are equally good and choosing one personal preference. Test ride and choose.
@@bigbearbangalore Sir is there any new changes going to come soon in adventure 250, if you know then pls tell..should i wait or go ahead with ktm adventure 250 now.
Can you please guide which one to choose between
Suzuki V Strom 250SX
Honda CB 300R
KTM Duke 250 (2024)
I currently own a Yamaha FZ-S 153CC, 2010 model... In which i covered 1000kms/day runs multiple times.
Heart is saying Honda
Mind is saying Vstrom
But KTM seems to sitting in between the two
Can't go wrong with a Honda.
@@bigbearbangalore thank you sir for reverting back. The only dilemma is Honda CB300R's 157mm ground clearance and 9.7ltr tank.
Will it be worth it for touring?
Just need an opinion.... A review on your channel will be just great.
Sir i also wanted to knw the mileage u r getting average in new himalayan 450
28 to 32
I had the same windscreen and extender in my adv and its too much wind on face so removed the extender and moved the windscreen to low level now its better
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Himalayan felt very intimidating in city traffic, not interms of power but its size and heft. I’m 5.6 and didn’t feel comfortable in city traffic as that’s my major part of its use. I’m used to heavy and powerful bikes including all of RE ones.. but this bike felt very different.
Yes I see your point.
Bosky just a help and guidance, i have test driven 2 different Himalayan of course at different showroom and different interwel may be 3 weeks of gap in between and both the bikes after a while i felt my last 2 fingers were paining, not aure how.. currently i own a Thunderbird 350 and i have upgraded handle recently as well but did not feel anything with both the handle
Can't say what it is. Adaptation issues to the new angle and reach of levers perhaps.
Im a newbie in gear motorcycle just have a small experience of riding friends yamaha mt155, will Himalayan 450 be good for me , my height is 5.7
Try it. Test ride.
17:05 backlit switches come in really handy in the Ktm adv 390 when we ride in the dark.
Yes they do at the start. Later they become muscle memory.
@@bigbearbangalore Yeah, agree it will look crucial initially but it won't be the same once get used to it. Great compression video btw. On my way to watch part 2 of this video 🏃♂
I just have one question did you think and analyse so much when you bought your first bike the RX100. Now this discussion has put me in Dharmasankat.
No analysis. A quick evaluation of the RX and KB and Supra and choose the RX.
Few days ago went for KTM ADV 390 test ride, it was my first time riding a KTM engine, but experienced stalling issues. Under 20 kmph if I put the bike in 2nd gear it stalled. Had to consciously reach upwards of 20 kmph and then shift up the gear to 2nd.
Thanks for sharing.
Is it really safe buying 1st batch
Personal choice
3:24 They VIBRATE like a VIBRATOR
- Bosky Sir 2023
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Big thanks Bosky Sir ❤❤
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Sir what about the immobilizer..is it there??
Don't think so.
How to know when 1st batch is completed and 2nd batch is arriving?? If one is waiting for 2nd batch.
Second batch with rest of the colours will start from February 2024 onwards.
@@gkreddy9201 Thanks for the information brother. I have booked 1 and they are anyway saying waiting period of 3-4 month. Their system was showing April but the showroom guy said he will try to get it by Feb or March. Let's see now.
@@VN11ProdYou can take a look at the chassis number to see when the bike was manufactured. Google how to decode the VIN and engine number on a Royal Enfield. You will easily find it.
These are notional batches. They don't exist in reality.
@@bigbearbangalore Thanks for the info Bosky.
Is it safe if we fell down , will it cause any injuries to us (knees especially)?
Any fall can hurt.
@@bigbearbangalore since it doesn’t have bumper I am asking
There is some video playback issue at 19:30 time. Tested on TV and Android phone.
Yes a tech glitch for about 20 seconds.
Can someone please share what is the recommended tyre pressure for Himalayan 450?
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@@bigbearbangalorethank you Bosky sir, great to hear from you, I’m a fan! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Much needed content, and spot on!
But one thing you specified and missed was TAPPET NOISE.
Yes , it was too loud for the himi I rod for test ride, and not present in other himis I observed. So longevity of the engine was the concern for me.
Again, your comment about exceptions - japanese ones was the moment I was waiting for...
Yes some noise exists and that is not the tallet, and since I've ridden REs for many years, it doesn't bother me 😀
@@bigbearbangalore yeah, REs and tappet noise have been friends for long. I used to go with my friend on his hunter to quarrel with SC guys.
Inherently REs have that kinda noise, but what I mentioned about was bit severe case with himi test ride vehicle, may be initial lot issue.
Will wait anyway.
Great comparo, per my research I bought the KTM 390 Rally with adjustable suspensions and feel this version easily beats Himi 450 in terms of more power, electronics and quality!
In that case it comes down to the feel of the motorcycle, what kind of a rider you are and most importantly which machine extends your personality.
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Hello,
After reading numerous evaluations comparing him 450 and adv 390. Is it a good move to sell the just purchased adv 390x and pick up the him 450?
Still bit confused, my daily ride is like office and weekends trails. But mostly on the road.
If you already have a 390X then it's your choice if you really wish to change. If you're going to do a lot of bad roads then you can switch else you can stay with the 390X.
First like for your Kannada Slang 🤩
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The new ADV 390 is gonna be nuts
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But why don’t they do flexible indicators like on cheap motorcycles?! This is a bad design because my right indicator broke due to saddle bag’s pressure while off road !
Saddle bag pressure is improper mounting of the bag. Design can't be blamed.
@@bigbearbangalore true accepted sir! But I still don’t see why don’t they provide a lil flexibility! Like how they give in cheaper bikes ,, is there a design road block for this I wonder! Else it’s perfectly sensible to have flexible indicators! Or may be they cost more 🤔
Pls make one between Himalayan and Scrambler 400x.
Coming up.
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My Himalayan 450s exhaust turned blue doing 1500 kms in first 10 days.
That's normal
which riding pants are you wearing sir..
Klim for Bosky
Klim
Sadly there is a pause from 19:21 to 19:50, I just spotted this issue while I was scrubbing the clip again.
Sorry for the technical glitch.
@@bigbearbangalore Not a problem, just wanted to mention it for the sake of awareness both for the viewers and to the team behind the channel.
Why you guys are not make the video on Himalayan 450 vs Honda NX500?
When we can, we shall.
@@bigbearbangalore If I write very politely then no one give any reply but you did, thanks. But why because your friend didn't give for review because that person on riding tour? Now I'm waiting for reply YES in argument but not give the real answer. That's why I write again argumentative comment.
I don't know anyone with an NX to give to me for a test ride and review. So, will wait for an opportunity. I do not prefer to take a motorcycle from acquantences for this purpose. It must a close friend or a test ride motorcycle from a dealership. Am in no hurry. Will wait for the opportunity. Regards.
@@bigbearbangalore Yes, I'm also the same person who is waiting for the same. At least tech people show and presnt the biggest bomb of the Hond who creates the in this competition segment with twin cylinder and non of the other bike like same. Even KTM and RE already raised there prices. If RE deliver spoke tubeless. Then why people are scare to make the tech moto video on RE vs Honda? That's why I raise the question🙋.
I think both are different and can't absolutely be chosen one over other for everyone....
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19:26 to 19:48 audio is missing
Sorry for technical glitch.
When is the part 2 dropping?
Dropped! 👍
I understand you don't ride with a pillion but which among these or in similar CC would you suggest which is comfortable for both rider n pillion. Please don't say Car 😅😅
Ask a pillion! I just don't know about pillion seats. 🙂
Video pauses at @19 :20 mark
Tech glitch.
Which one is more quality?
Finish quality is KTM