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Our Cheap-ish Toyota Tacoma Hits The Trail With A SUPER Cheap Ford F-150 | Baby Yota Ep.9
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
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On this episode of Baby Yota we pit the 2002 Toyota Tacoma against a 2004 Ford F-150 to see which is better off-road!
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Love the old Tacoma!
He talks about how heavy the Ford is does he not realize how worn out those old street tires are on the ford
@@JayElement13 cmon....those tires are killer aggressive.
He is a professional dog, four legs a waggy tail fur and a nice bouncy demeanour. All the dog hallmarks.
Next time you start to lose grip with an open diff vehicle like you did in this video, try staying on the gas and then use your left foot and push on the brake.
This will put resistance on the wheel in the air spinning and apply some torque to the wheel that has the grip. This is an old school version of traction control and it does work on occasions.
The low weight, articulation and tires are the reason you have traction with the Toyota. Its not because the open differentials are "less openy"
😂😂
This vid should be called "New mud tires vs. worn AT's."
Worn low profile ATs*
Right? I hate that they even do that
You guys always tell us that tires are the most important factor in off roading so the Ford was doomed from the start.
Agree, not a fair comparison when the Ford has bald street tires vs new mud tires on the Toy.
Yah tire's make a huge difference and you need to buy tyres that are made for whatever you're planning on doing .
@@wildbill23c but toyotas were always better than fords 👀
@@wildbill23c It's nearly laughable how they would do such a silly thing and then tapping the gas when you're meant to give it the beans if you get stuck.
@@adrianhosein7698 funny fords handle more payload and towing capacity.
Cheap mechanical locker needed in the ford, and Toyota.
Or a Ford with factory advanced trac from that era idk why they bought a base model one wheel peeler for offroading
@@notasolution it was the cheapest truck. That's it, that's the list.
You’d be amazed at what you can do with a stock vehicle with just lockers
@@richfarfugnuven6308 they couldve gotten a ford with a trac for no extra cost and it wouldve performed 1000 times better, plus it would show people how great the system is and make people who are offroading on the cheap aware of what they could get for cheap, vs a base model one wheel peeler that people are disappointed and discouraged by
@@notasolution Advanced Trac wasn't available on the F-150 until 2009. And as somebody who has it I can assure you it is no substitute even for limited slip, much less a locker.
I’m super surprised the cheap truck with bad tires was out offroaded by the purpose built truck.
What a shocker! Me who hates Ford and loves Toyota...is nice when Toyota can kick sand in Fords face. I am sure if the Ford had better tires and more suspension travel, it would do a lot better.
😂😂
If the Ford had been an FX4 it would have easily gone up, same for the Toyota, if it was a TRD, it would have gone up easily. Rear lockers are a must on IFS trucks.
@@mikefoehr235 i'm the opposite..i hate toyotas and love fords..in fact i hate toyota so much that i could spit on everyone i see...and sometimes i usually do
@@merc-ni7hy Good for you...Ford is nothing but trouble. Had a 97 Taurus...that thing nearly bankrupted me and my wife. After that...the hate was on. I wouldn't let Ford build me an outhouse. FORD=FAILURE OF RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT.
Put new tyres, locker and lift on the Ford and it’ll do everything the Yota did. Tommy was wrong when he said that the Ford lacked torque. What it lacked, was traction.
My 2wd f150 would probably get through all that just because I have mud tires.
I said the same thing. Truck gets no traction and they say it has no torque. It’s not a torque issue it’s a traction issue.
Exactly, if it was a torque issue, it wouldn't be breaking the tires loose so easily. All it needed was better tires
That 4.6L V8 has plenty of torque. It probably has more than 2 times the amount of torque that Toyota does. Put on good all terrain tires and it would been equal footing.
While I agree with your thinking Kelvin, that Toyota wasn't using lockers. But yeah, equal traction should have been a given.
Open diffs are open diffs. Put a locker in the rear and things would’ve been different for both trucks.
Airing down the tires would make a world of difference.
The 20 inch wheels on the f150 makes it really hard to air down lol such a dumb vehicle for offroad videos, open dif and 20 inch wheels with low pro tires I dont understand them
Every TFL off road video in the history of ever.
I learned this at the Humane Society: one way to get a dog to stop jumping on you is to simply turn your back to him/her every time it happens. Eventually the pup gets the hint you don't like it and stops the behavior.
That graphics package on the Tacoma 👍😍Nice work fellas!
Thanks Steve!!
I would love to see what the ford can do with a decent set of tires
Agreed! I have an F150 of this gen so I'm excited to see what it is capable of!
And a rear lock. I used to have an explorer and I never got stuck.
Can’t ever go wrong with with a new set of BFGs
love the sidewall but not crazy about the tread pattern! still a dang good tire i bet.
Happy Saturday morning TFL!!!🌞
Truck turned out great and sticking with 31s is understandable given the rabbit hole of regearing, more power, etc. But not doing a locker is a big oversight. I'd take one over a winch any day.
Well, on one hand, a winch can get you out of trouble when the open diffs fail you. When you get stuck with a locker and no winch, you're walking for help.
@@brentworls8509 if you have a locker, you don't get stuck in the first place. Not to mention, traction boards are dirt cheap.
@@plus790 You've never been in the mud back east, have you? A locker can leave you stuck in a flat, mowed lawn after a spring thaw.
Out on the trail Tacoma!!! Doing a big plumbing job Ford, Tacoma’s are great especially for young folks dearly loved my 2002, as a old guy though really enjoy the comfort of my a F150, I’ll just thumb up the young folks in Tacomas covered in mud when they roll past.
I'm not a Ford fan, but I'm sure that it would have fared better with tires similar to the Toyota
Tires wouldn't have mattered as much as a locking diff. Once a wheel lifts on open differentials all the power goes to the wheel with least resistance such as the wheel in the air. The knobby tire would still be spinning in the air getting no traction to it since these trucks lack suspension articulation making the back end work harder than it should.
Poor comparison in my opinion!Your running the Toyota on brand new
M/Ts while the Ford may as well have had slicks.
They do that a lot, unfortunately
That's not always true. A proper low range transfer case, great suspension articulation, and clearance help a lot. The f150 is a boat anchor on the trail because of its size and weight. The Tacoma is the opposite way more nimble and has a greater low range gear set. Not hating just stating the facts on this. That's why an f150 would be better at towing than the Tacoma would.
I have a similar f150 with toyo extreme at's on it that are fairly aggressive and it has no problem on similar terrain.Good traction makes a world of difference as well as driver capability
I just bought an '04 Tacoma a couple days ago. Was planning to wrap it exactly like you guys did, but you guys beat me to it. Time to Mcfly the thing now.
Gotta have the chili pepper light string though for the interior.
Man I'm calling bias on this video series already. Toyota, by your estimates, is around four to five times the investment than the Ford. C'mon man.
To make the challenge fair you need to put tires on the Ford F150.
You guys have a habit of constantly comparing apples to oranges.
And bickering
So if you run into issues with the Ford, you could call it "Oh the Huge Manatee."
Next time y'all do a series like this. The vehicles should be full size SUV'S (Ford expedition\Excursion, Tahoe\suburban, Durango, etc)
I would love to see that! Those can all be bought relatively cheaply too. I have a 5th gen 4Runner, and am considering getting rid of it and replacing with an 05-ish Tahoe or Suburban. I want something cheap that I don't care about, and I want a V8.
I miss the two-door full-size utes. The old Bronco and Tahoe really left an empty niche when they were discontinued. Now their replacements are four doors of $56k-90k overpriced low-riders lacking off-road utility.
Well, actually I think that an off road comparison between full size and midsize is really interesting, but with same tires to be fair.
Need to add lockers on the tacoma ASAP and that thing will be a little tank.
This is awesome! I've been watching TFL since ~2014 where Tommy and Roman did a 3 day series on the Tundra 1794 and its awesome to see how Tommy has become so comfortable on camera and a great reviewer
Thanks for watching for so long!
The Ford is just spinning wheels after the ice. Momentum and tires is everything for this truck. You ou guys built the Tacoma, kind of unfair
They established that in the video if you had volume on and didn't treat it like a silent film. They specified that the Tacoma was kind of pricey for a "cheap truck" and that the F150 was a legitimate "cheap truck" being under $4k. Rewatch the video maybe..
Like how they didn't put such a huge tire on the Tacoma to where it would overwhelm the small engine. At the same time all that money spent on fancy bumpers, that rear flapper camper, wrap, etc could have been put to front and rear diff lockers. Made that truck a real billy goat with the lockers.
Also I wish Toyota still made small trucks like this 1995-2004 Tacoma. Yes this reg cab/medium box/4wd truck is a beast off road, but I owned a 2wd reg cab/medium box and loved that truck. It sat so low that my short 5'6" self could reach into the bed from the side. Something my 1993, 1988, and 1985 2wd pickups were also awesome at, that bed was so low it was easy to load/unload.
I'm impressed that Ford even made it to the trail with those tires lol.
You guys knocked it out of the park with that Yota.
I think you guys should have put a locker in the back of the Baby Yota, the open diffs really show its weakness where otherwise it would have been as capable as it looks.
I would love to see this thing compete with my Tacoma being mine is a 2.7 with an auto and costs much less and is built about the same
That old 2004 - 2008 F150 XL can have cruise control. Buy the switches and install them. Take it to a dealer and for an hour of 'power train diagnostic' they can turn the cruise from 'off' to 'on' in the computer. All the needed parts are there expect the switches in the steering wheel. The dashboard already has the cruise control light in it and it will light up while in use. I did this in my old 2004 F150 XL. It was the best $150 modification I've ever done to a vehicle.
Tommy missed the opportunity to say,
"Take a different ROUTE."
Nevertheless, great video! It's great seeing trucks that are comparable to my 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 SLT 4X4.
I would change a few things on the F150 like an lsd in the rear with possible lower gear ratio and I actually did that in my 18 xlt screw. Gets better traction on and off road. No electronic locker to fail. And the yota could stand a little locker action also. It’s just a good all round light weight truck.
So many people are pointing out that the Toyota had much of an advantage over the F150 in terms of being built. I think it’s obvious enough that calling it out in the comments is pointless.
Love it. Glad these first gens are cool now for younger gen. When I bought mine in tx I was unusual most of my compadres had big diesels that I always had to come with my little taco and get em out of sticky situations mostly stuck or broken down. Had mine since 06 and had many adventures with her from deserts to mountains and everything in between. She never let me down.
Just got on tube you and posted my finished motor build. Nothing wrong with the motor just wanted little more power.
Check it out if you want or not.
tommy may have said you were into it for 15k but he did not mention the engine work that you had to have done is that included?3 to 4 k right.
The engine work cost was nearly the price of the whole Ford.
You know Tommy's used to reviewing new high tech off road trucks and SUV's when he tells an early 2000's Tacoma to "figure it out". There's no traction control or terrain management on those old Toyota's trucks. It is impressive what that open differential Tacoma can do though. Good video Tommy!
Throw some KO2s on there, a two inch proper lift, some basic limited slips or mechanical lockers and you'll have zero issues. I used to have a similar pickup for a construction job. I put about 2500 into it and never had any issues after that.
Echoing other comments, Ford needs lockers and better tires
a driver mod wouldn't hurt either
@@taylorhickman84 not wrong
Your doggo was definitely the star of the show here! So happy to be along for the ride, even when it got sketchy. Gooooooood dog!
Tommy, you guys had some great partners for baby Yota, great truck!
A+ on the yota, Tommy!! Great job.
I won't lie. I love that style and the next gen F150. Newer tires, a level and maybe kidnap a limited slip from a newer one and you'd have a pretty good trail rig. I bought a 2014 sc FX4 this past fall after owning a Grand Cherokee Limited with the Quadradrive system and a 98 sc F150 with a locker in the rear and I love the newer one. Not because it has a bunch of electronics that will break but because it does so well in the deepest mud, snow or ruts I can find.
Would love to see how the newer f150s with the locking diff and 5.0 perform on trails.
I'm not sure if a 2004 F150 had this, but looked as if the traction aid was kicking on, if it has it, I would be curious to the outcome then.
I'm a Toyota fan all the way, but that generation of F150 is a tank too. That model F150 makes you question how Ford is known for not being reliable, because I've seen a lot of that generation F150 hit 300k to 500k miles with no problems.
That Tacoma is an absolute BEAUTY!!! TFL Truck really deserved some credit for this build how awesome!!!
I love the theme on the Tacoma!
YODA ALL DAY ANY DAY!! I currently daily drive my 1985 Toyota 4runner SR5 5 speed with 5:29 gearing and sits on 35's at 5 corners. great truck.
Baby Yota looks sooooo nice with the new tires
Would love to see you guys buy a 9th gen F250 crew cab and do a similar build like you did with baby yoda
People are missing out on the fact that the ford was supposed to be the comparison "Cheap Truck". If you add a lift, bigger tire, and lockers then it's not the cheap comparison truck, it's the same truck as the tacoma.
Lovely Tacoma keep doing it ! Next : 4 runner 2G ? ☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️ 80 series ? 60 series ? 😎👌👌👌 good job guys ! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
The Yoda came out amazing! Also, these are my favorite types of videos by far that you guys do, keep up these types of series!
Someone below in the comments suggested do the same with full-size SUVs such as Tahoe and Expedition, I 100 % agree!
Might even be able to live with the topper if it was black.
If I won the auction.
Step #1 drive back to topper place. “Excuse me, I’d like to make a return.” “Sir that was a charity donation. We can’t do a return” “I see...could you point me in the direction of your dumpster then please.”
Step #2 “would anyone like this wood thing in the back?”
Step #3 Hey Siri...how do I remove a vinyl wrap?
@@sinkorswim777 😂..Return the wrap and ask Detroit locker to make a donation for the cause!
I don't make truck payments. If I can't pay cash for the rig, then I cannot afford the rig.
Atta boy David Milhous Carter Ramsey! Smart man
For 33's and a 4 banger auto, you want 4.56 gears and throw in a cheap rear locker. The locker is a while your in Rome upgrade, so not needed, but while it is no extra labor to install might as well. Love the Toygoata :) (FYI: Toyotas are expensive AF after Corona not cheap projects anymore lol.)
for off-road defiantly take a look at adding an e-locker to the F-150. there are several options online, most cost less than $900 in parts but labor will depend where you take it.
3:55 Lots of torque --> Ford F-150
5:30 Got No torque --> Ford F-150 Got it! Love the Toy
That F150 is actually the truck I'd prefer. The drivetrain is bulletproof, can tow more, carry more gear and is cheaper. A lot of that terrain could have been conquered with a minimal amount of momentum. You can't go off-road with awful tires, open diffs and an empty truck bed, creeping along and expect to go far. Throw some decent tires on it, 400lbs in the bed, and a limited slip diff or rear locker and I think it would go everywhere the Toyota did. They are both ifs. Put half that 15k in the f150 and it would spank the yota
I am a huge Toyota fan! I hope Toyota NORTH AMERICA watches this video and has their epiphany and offers Toyota trucks with optional true off road tires. I had to buy steel rims and get Durtracs for my Tundra TRD OFF ROAD. The Michelins it came with are great for hiway and good gravel roads but when snow and mud is to be encountered, nothing beats Duratracs or some equivalent off road tire. How hard can it be to offer tires right from the dealer that make the off roader an off roader?
Noticed a lot of times a little more speed and no drama there is a time to use momentum and not softly softly, pretty sure none of those obstacles would have stopped me, and a few in my Nismo Duke and using a slightly route.
Blaze is super cute, but you have to get that jumping under control before he hurts someone not expecting it or of a smaller size. Great video BTW
if you added an ARB locker or even a mini spool that truck would be unstoppable
I have a video idea. Lets lift a tacoma, add aggressive offroad tires and compare it to a old f150 with worn out tires.
Yup you got it
Spartan locker, good AT's, that F150 will go just about anywhere it'll fit. Mine sure did. Never gave me a major problem either.
I’ve got a 4door 02 Tacoma but it’s only rwd, kinda sucks but with the nice goodrich tires it’s a great truck at 250k miles and no issues
Idk man, Baby Yoda especially with that retro wrap looks sick, but for about the same/similar price, you're already approaching 1rst gen SVT Raptor territory. The OTHER F150.
Cool concept for a test, would love to see it repeated with the truck having a new set of rubber. With some nice tires 6K all in It's still pretty cheap truck. Thanks for the great content
Why would you compare two so different trucks? One with new tires and the other with worn tires.
I’m not 100% sure but I don’t think the older f-150’s ever came with a locker, a locker and a set of tires and that thing would have pulled right through. My 2005 Silverado has a g80 and it helps a lot. I didn’t like the auto locker at first in my Chevy but I realized most of the time it has engaged before I would have had time to engage it myself.
“These are very open differentials” lol
Nice video. I would have liked to see some nice aggressive tires on the Ford. Make it a little more capable. Blaze was good comic relief.
Baby yota is beautiful!! Great job!!
You guys should remove the front sway bar on the Tacoma if you haven't already. I have almost the exact same truck and it made a big difference having the extra articulation up front. The on-road handling isn't noticeably different either.
What size tires and wheels,and what is the wheel specs(offset, backspacing)....now I see they must be 15"
The primary difference appears to be that Tommy makes a lot more excuses for the Toyota.
It's a weird thing that happens whenever you get into or own a Toyota, you start making excuses for it.
Complaint: 4Runner and Tacoma have terrible drivetrains.
Toyota apologist excuse: but they're reliable!
Complaint: Tundra/Sequoia/4Runner are old as dirt and incredibly behind the competition.
Toyota apologist excuse: simple = reliable, less to go wrong. (Doesn't mention that Toyota has modern tech throughout its passenger car/crossover lineup with no problems).
Next time have better tires like the km3 on the Ford. My 04 F150 fx4 with km3 is a beast.
You should be bringing all 3 old trucks for these trips, would be a nice baseline.
I have 33s on my 98 tacoma and didn't have to regear.. definitely notice some difference but I think if I went any bigger would have had to regear. My buddy did on his and said it was a waste of money
As long as they’re spending that kind of money on that truck I think an air compressor and at least a rear locker is a no brainer. They should have held out for a 1st gen TRD off road with the OEM locker. Other than that it looks cool and is capable but without that locker it leans a little bit towards the mall crawler side. A locker would bring it up another level.
Seems like a rebuilt lsd or a diff lock, KO2s and a cheap 2 in lift solves all of the Ford problems for maybe $2.5k. Add alum skid plates for another $500. You have your cheap FX4.
I like how blaze sits behind the steering wheel of the Ford around 8:40 . He is about to take a drive up cliffhanger 😁😁
$15K built taco with new KM3's vs stock truck with bald tires. There's not really a comparison to make.
Great video guys! Love that little Toyota!
I think your a little biased towards the Toyota ,. The Ford had no mods and worn tires.
This is a great example of the Toyota tax vs some thing afFORDable with a v8.
I have the same Tacoma but with a 6 inch lift and 35s. I have 4:88 gears and a locker and my truck because of the locker would go up that hill in 2wd.
My f350 v10 is 2 wheel drive. Medium aggressive tires. Kills it in snow. But at 6000 pounds climbing mountains is a no
Wish I could get a taco, for now I'm stuck with an s10 :(
Put some off road tires on the F150 and things would be different.
You guys should put a locking diff or limited slip diff into the ford 300 truck and take it out offroad, ill build you guys a T18 4 speed granny transmission for it too and donate all the hardware to do it from the tailshaft and drive shaft, chase knows how torquey that 300 i6 can be with the stickshift over the auto especially in granny low on the NP435
Love the Yota and the livery, and work so far TRD Ivan Ironman Stewert a classic I have 5th gas trucks with that livery and my TRAXXAS UDR. Had an old Hilux no thrills 24volt heaters for the engine and cranking the start motor, never let me down even in minus temps the only vehicle I had that if an EMP happened it would not even know it had no computers a mountain goat 6" lift 35" A/T's and 22 body lift flood what flood.
Wow! What a transformation on Baby Yota! That is a great looking machine. Well done!
Ford needs tires and I'd love to see baby yota vs stock s10 zr2 as a cheap truck challenge
Yes we need an S10 Zr2 on this channel
Love these videos bcuz I like to imagine what my 2016 F350 SRW could do if I ever actually left the pavement lol!!!!!! Traded up from a 2x4 2006 STX F150
Next yall should get a crew max 2007-2011 tundra or a 2007-2009 4runner, those trucks blow up in views and no body gives the Tundra or 4runners love and there really great trucks