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The Solar Ray: Gihren Zabi's Biggest Mistake
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2021
- Today, Blade yells his opinion at you for 5 minutes, about why the Solar Ray System was a bad idea.
And, yes, I'm aware that the Solar Ray can be fired a second time after a week, but since the war ended a few days later, that point is moot.
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If they could build the entire Solar Ray at such a ridiculous time frame then they could have mass produced the Big Zam
Remember, they living outer space, which means that they can move at a much faster pace than they would on earth?
Or produce more ms or finish in development prototypes ect
@@CosmoShidan yes
I feel like it was steadily under construction throughout the war but the final stages requiring the colony to be evacuated only needed 4 days, still very impressive. I don't think the Ray was some sudden inspiration by the Solar Flare System.
That would have just prolonged the war by a few months honestly, once the colony missed Jaburo and the "Zeon is exhausted" speech was given all hope for victory or a favorable peace treaty for Zeon had gone out the window. I say this as a Zeon fangirl as well sadly.
Gihren's Ambition: Menace of Axis does give you, as Gihren (i.e. strategist, tactician, supreme commander) the choice to R&D the Solar Ray, but the game takes some great dramatic license in order to make the events of the OYW endgame less of a lost cause when playing the Principality of Zeon.
Per canon near the end of the first campaign (One Year War), Degwin will slip out in his ship to negotiate with the Federation. If you finished the Solar Ray, you as Gihren will have a choice, whether to DELIBERATELY target your father, or just the Feddie fleet. The logical choice is the Feds, as even in the event Degwin and Revil negotiate, it only drops your forces morale, which can be easily brought back up, thus no game over.
Killing Degwin on the other hand, can either lead to your execution by Kycilia if you don't arrest her. On top of that, if she and Garma (if you allow certain events to change previously) are still active, they will defect, form their own factions, and declare civil war. Definitely a fun, "What if?" scenario.
I don´t think Zeon´s war with Federation was a lost cause by itself, hell in the original Gundam they were depicted to be doing fairly well at the start and middle of the war, but thanks to the setbacks of Garma Assasination, Operation Odessa and failed attack on Jaburo realy started the downward spirral.
Thanks for the insight! I'll probably never find the time to play that game (i have like 15 games in my backlog, and barely play games anymore)
So its good to know this from someone who already did.
I also love how far the lore expands for gundam fans.
A few points of reference here.
The gelgoogs were being used by students.
Gihren did this by design. He let the veteran troops keep the suits that were pros with. Rather than make them learn a new unit on the fly. In his sisters mind, this eas a mistake. The best pilots the best suits.
2. After gihrens death, mamy veteran pilots left the battle field. Leaving only inexperienced pilots. Zeon poored resources into the zeong and had 4 of them ready to go. But not enoigh skilled pilots.
3. The solar ray system was months in planning. In 0083, chima the evil woman was responsible for purging the colony of anyone who did not leave quickly. This taint of her killing space noids is why she hated zeon enough to sell out gato and his fleets in 0083.
4. Gihren was winning the final battle. While the feddies had far more suits, zeon had one voice and a clear plan. Gihren knew his battle field and kept his suits in reserve. Amuro saw the future of his death which cause chaos and cpnfusion for the zeon forces. Add in gihren's sister being so disliked and that only caused more trouble. She also trashed his planning and choices in front of the upper leaders. Remeber why it was thay gato's cpmmander left.
The solar ray system did its job. The issue was it was a one shot. And as you said, he cared little for friendly fire. While the big zam was shelfed for the zeong. Which did prove ot could kill the gundam.
you know, i’d never thought of that last point. not only did the zeong destroy the gundam but he also stabbed the pilot
Another problem what the solar ray does, it would definitely affect Zeons economy if they win as generic as it sounds. People would have to build new homes and new jobs would have to be created to recover and whatever space colony the civilians had to go to would make it more crowded. In a sense its a weapon that isnt sustainable where people are forced to leave. Your big zam idea makes more sense than the giant laser.
Yeah and what sounds more useful a series of fleet busters that are mobile or a stationary cannon that requires solar energy that'll vary depending on the planetary position in the solar system
I agree. The mass produce of the big zams would have work in Zeon's favor, but Ghiren spent too much money on experimental weapons and creating new mobile suits instead of mass produce for the Zeon troops. Which is one of the reasons why they lost the war at the end.
@@AH-is5yg The Big Zam has a design flaw: it can only fire it's primary and secondary weapons when stationary. Not to mention that even with the i-field, it's still vulnerable to non-beam weapons, such as projectiles weapons like missiles and anti-aircraft vulcan guns. So it's too big of a target. The solar ray actually achieved much more of a strategic advantage by blasting away half the Federal fleet in one shot and at a great distance.
@@CosmoShidan The problem was mostly Ghiren and he used the solar ray to kill his father. That was his true motive.
@@AH-is5yg But he didn't just kill his father, Girhen actually managed to turn the war in the Zeon homeland favor by allowing the nation to retain its independence from the Federation, while the latter was rendered crippled. This would leave the Federation in a weakend state for the next 120-odd years.
I seem to recall from Mark Simmons' gundam unofficial website, that the Federation lost 20% of their fleet at Solomon. With the solar ray destroying another 50% of the fleet, the feds had just lost 2/3s of their before A Baoa Qu. While I imagine they lost another 20% after the battle, what can be inferred here is that, I think the Solar Ray was a good move. This is especially after Kycelia was confident that the Zeon forces at Granada and Side 3 could hold out against the Federal fleet, or what was left of it. It's probably no wonder why the feds never fully recovered.
The Federation has got to be the all time champion of pyrrhic victories among good guy factions in media. It's not an exaggeration to say that they get nearly wiped out four times in a span of 15 years. (OYW, Delaz conflict, Gryps conflict, Neo-Zeon War). And then slowly fall apart over the next half-century and eventually leave the solar system as a lawless, technologically declining, anarchic hellhole of warring city states and scavengers (per Crossbone Vanguard's later chapters). UC timeline is fucking brutal.
Big zam is more useful.
@@Kira22558 The Big Zam is too big of a target for missiles and vulcan guns though. It would have been more practical to have built the Gelgoog a month sooner, then that would have delayed the Federation at A Baoa Qu. But then again, the Zeon's own infighting was their downfall.
@@CosmoShidan No, the real issue is more what happens if something gets close enough to where it's impressive weapons array proves ENTIRELY useless.
This thing was resistant to your standard ballistics (As much as MS scale 'Machine Guns' could be considered 'Standard Ballistics') and with the first I-Field ever (And a very powerful one at that!), it meant the only ranged damage that was going to do more than tickle it was explosives, one problem: All Missiles lose out on the guidance systems thanks to Minovsky Particle Interference, which I'd imagine only got worse with it's scattered and regular Mega Particle Cannons constantly spewing a very deadly fusillade that would melt entire FLEETS. So even if you got the missiles off and somehow they didn't get shot down in the same blasts that melt your ship into exploding slag? There's a good chance someone fucked up anyways and would miss by some degree (Because you'd have to fire it like one would a TORPEDO)
@@boxtank5288 Ah, but the Federation got around the Minosky particle problem by using fly-by-wire/remote-controlled missiles as a substitute for radar guided missiles, or even non-guided rockets. So, the Big Zam would have to somehow dodge a salvo of remote-controlled missiles. Plus, if you recall earlier in the battle of Solomon when the Federation launched a salvo of beam distruption missiles from their public-class shuttles? They could do the same for remote controlled missiles or non-guided rockets. As such, I still think the Big Zam would have been just a big target.
Being spaced Nazis they actually capture one of the key reasons why Germany could not possibly win world War Two and that the end of the day they're running out of men unless they build unmanned mobile suits zeon is running out of trained and experienced pilots to actually fly them and the sheer attrition factor is grinding them down even more. Even if we ignore the plot armor for the good guys at the same time mass-producing mobile series doesn't solve the problem that you don't have anyone to pile of them except for raw recruits or trainees who probably haven't even seen combat yet, assume the big boys will have positive kill death ratio is in assuming that you even build them to quality so they're not breaking down you still have the issue of they're not going to mitigate the numbers fully.
Overall I guess my point is that the giant overcompensation cannon is probably the best move in a desperate situation.
The idea of Gihren getting severe penis envy over the Solar Flare is such a funny thought. I will never not refer to the Solar Ray system as the Overcompensation Laser thanks to you.
Construction time in Gundam is ridiculous, a week to build a big fucking laser canon. Imagine that kind of industrial might of Zeon being turn to making more sensible thing than a giant laser canon but the idea of mass production Big zam is quite an interesting idea with the Big Zam being invulnerable to beam weapon and mass fire power can be a massive headache for the fed to deal with but the fed will be attacking with their full force and I willing to bet that the fed have more mobile suit and ships than Zeon has ammunition.
I think because they living in an environment with less gravity, they can build rather quickly, granted that the construction vehicles can move so fast. Plus, this is future, so I imagine that they have robotics that can construct and manufacture buildings and materials at such as fast pace.
@@CosmoShidan I guess that kinda make sense with the lower gravity make construction move a lot quicker but the feat of logistics of moving million of people in a couple of days and then began the convertion into a pringle can death ray within like a week must have drained most of Zeon industrial capacity and a logistical nightmare to mange everything in the project.
@@magellali1623 The Zeon colonies have 150 million to mobilize, which is another explanation why they could build the solar ray so quickly.
One of the reasons why Zeon and the Zabis lost the war because Gihern spent too much money on creating new weapons instead of mass produce mobile suits.
@Fanaticism lead to suffer, Is hard to understand? Yeah I know McQuve played a huge role of Zeon's downfall. The Zabis made a poor judgement of trusting that guy. If it wasn't for McQuve, Ramba Ral would have won against Gundam and the Whitebase if he had his Ric Doms. Also, McQuve caused Operation Odessa to fall by the Federation.
I looked at that as the Zabis poor choices and trusting the wrong people caused them the war.
They made the work easier for Char
@@jigs4k915 Char was able to get his revenge very easily thanks to the poor leadership of Zeon
A consistent theme of fascism is leadership incompetence. Where Nazi Germany sunk resources into the lumbering beasts called Tiger II and Maus, America cancelled projects like M6 in order to focus on proven weapons.
@@pax6833 true, while fascism get too full of themselves and get too arrogant, they end up losing badly.
Gihern failed to see that it doesn't matter how powerful his weapons were made that he was unable to see his forces were weakening. He spent too much money on one giant weapon instead of mass produce weapons that he had.
Definitely your theory are very insightful into the series explains a lot
The Federation could get away with the Solar Flare system because they had all those resources and capital that they were sitting on to do some thing like that.
I think Gihren was confident that the solar ray could win him the war, and seeing that 1 shot destroyed a huge portion of the federation fleet he might have had a point, so he didn't want peacetalks to take place so he ordered his only option to prevent his father signing an armistice by firing his colony laser leaving said superweapon inoperable in the process guaranteeing his defeat even if his sister didn't kill him, oops.
Basically he was fucked the moment his father went to sign Zeon's surrender even without his sister potentially betraying him, either he allows it to go through and probably get trialed for his many war crimes or kill his father using his potential war winning losing access to said weapon for the final battle and get defeated and trialed for his war crimes. His only real option would have been to assassinate his father before he could reach the federation fleet to start talks without using the solar ray and even then he would have most likely been killed by his sister for committing patricide.
Wouldn't the war ended early since Degwin Zabi was going to have peace talks🤔
......huh..... somehow I completely forgot about that. I guess?
Just stuff like 7 nukes on that ship and blow it up when it got close.
And Kycilia wouldn't ended shoot Gihren if Degwin didn't get killed by Gihren actions
The Solar Ray/Colony Laser might not be able to be fired right away again, but it doesn't mean it was ruined. They could repair it and fire again. Potentially making improvements during their repairs to allow for it to be fired repeatedly. Zeon constructed the Colony Laser within 1 week. So doing repairs on it is definitely possible.
Also, the Big Zam has a time limit for operation according to the supplementary guide books. It overheats after 20 to 30 minutes of continuous use and needs to be shut down for cooling.
So it's a flawed design that is probably best it didn't get mass produced.
Still better than 'Use once then it's basically a giant lump in the middle of the battlefield'. The Big Zam can do some SERIOUS damage in 20-30 minutes. You forget that such a thing would be insane an amount of time in a live combat scenario.
The construction of the solar ray was the gundam equivalent of the launch of Operation Barbarossa. A very bad use of resources and the lack of attention to more immediate necessities. The resources used to construct the solar ray system could have been used to advance mobile suit tech, or even better their numbers, since it was clear that battles were becoming more focused on mobile suits than fleets. The same goes for Operation Barbarossa, resources used to invade the USSR could have been used to secure the western front from potential threats of invasion.
Exactly how much resources wasted here
Dude, General Georg Thomas said that Germany had no chance of winning the Russian campaign. That is because Russia is a large country, full of mud and swamp during the spring, and it has a much denser population in its territories. Plus, the Russians destroyed or disassembled all of their factories and relocated them to the Ural mountains which ultimately lead to the defeat of the Axis powers.
In gundam on the other hand, their situation was a little more along the lines of the Korean war's battle of Pusan, if you note how Jaburo is positioned further South, with the Zeon Earth Attack Force occupying much of the northern hemispher of the planet, while holding a few parts of the continents of Africa and Australia. And they actually were using the Federation's own resources against them, including their shipyards, factories, and mining. It's the same way North Korea used South Korea's shipyards, factories, and mines against them. That and if you look at Odessa as the equivalant of Incheon.
@@CosmoShidan exactly
@@fuckingking6796 Indeed, and as an added bounus, if you look at how the Zeon attacked the Federation easily with a combined force of MS, space fighters and space warships against the unprepared Federation which had ships, fighters but no MS, it's similar to how North Korea used Tanks, Planes, and patrol ships to easily invade an unprepared South Korea which had planes, patrol ships, but no tanks.
And like North Korea, the Zeon made the mistake of failing to guard the lynch pin of their entire invasion, because they concentrated too much on going on the attack less on the defense. In other words, they stood a chance, but made a huge mistake on their part like North Korea.
I think the Solar Ray uses different resources than would be needed for Mobile Suits.
devil's advocate:
To be fair, mass producing the big zam would require less resources but more time because not all the parts might be ready on time.
The solar flair might have required more resources but very repetitive resources, reducing the number of bottlenecks in the process
Its achievements were also impressive, one third of the entire federation is still a huge blow. as well as getting rid of the top leadership, and his own father, clearing his way to the top.
If he hadnt died, he could have used the ray as a bargaining chip, if the federation didnt know that it could only be used once.
I think they probably would have inferred it from the fact that it didn't fire repeatedly. They likely thought they had to bumrush the Solar Ray and stop it from being recharged/repaired at worst.
@@DIEGhostfish not necessarily. I dont remember how thinks happened. But judging by the video, the dolar flare was a secret.
Meaning that the federation knows nothing about it.
For all they know, Bombrushing it might result in them getting shot again.
@@heroedeleyenda05 probably this why titan
Inspired by it
Its insane how much shit happened in less than half a month
I chalk it up to the series getting cancelled, and them having to rush the ending and axe many ideas.
@@FlashingBladesProductions makes sense
Yeah I feel like this entire solar ray thing is just a big story bug, you can build a death star type big giant beam laser in 8 days but you can’t finish Zeong to it’s complete form, that’s make no sense
To be fair palpatine had literally 7 years to building up a planet burster weapon
In this case, it was using pre-existing materials (Colony) and just merely converting it to a cannon (Generators, Lenses, and systems meant to allow the user to AIM it). Of course the resources that went into THAT could instead have been used for the ZEONG, more Gelgoogs, or even Gelgoog JAEGERS.
Of course, this thing was only a single shot as a trade off for the rush to get it ready AND for the last second firing of it towards the mass of Federation ships and his Father's OWN ship in the same shot.
@@fuckingking6796First Death Star took over 20 years. The Death Star plans were handed to Dooku during the battle of Geonosis and we see construction is already underway 3 years later and 19 years before completion. The second one only took a few years but they needed the Death Star to be their symbol of fear after dissolving the senate so makes sense they put so much resources into rushing it out as fast as possible
I've enjoyed your points and counter points. Has me thinking of more "what if" in Gundam stories.
I think there are significant differences in the technical challenges and resource requirements between building precision engineered high performance mobile suits and slapping together a super laser from a hollowed out colony, so it's not like he could have just built more Big Zams instead.
eh I think his conclusion is about mass producing the byg zam is about aa non sensical as the colony laser being complete in just 8 days
while the colony laser was in development for about a month its worth noting it took probably a month just to produce one byg zam. Zeon was looking for a quick solution to tip the scale of the battle in their favor. Also I know i'm gonna be a buzz killington but likely amuro would have just yetted all of them effortlessly (edited)
some may argue that the resources and manpower where wasted however what is the alternative? more ship? more mobile suits? zeon was already cranking them out as fast as they could they produced over 100 gelgoog's in just a few weeks.
also there is the big elephant in the room that is if Gihren didn't assassinate his father the war would be over, and Zeon likely would have its military stripped and the Zabi's would have been removed from power so the end result is still the same not to mention this would mean no further Neo Zeon, or Zeon remnant movements.
There still would have been Zeon remnants even if the Feds won. For example, when the Confederate states of America was abolished by the Union, the remnants of the Confederacy formed the Ku Klux Klan, to obstruct reconstruction efforts.
@@CosmoShidan there likely would still be remnants but most of the major factions were fighting out of loyalty/respect for Gihren, with the zabi's made an example of it would seriously diminish the morale of any remnant faction and would likely turn to piracy and other illegal activity without any drive to continue the war outside minor skirmishes.
@@nemisous83 You also have to take into account that Axis was also under construction during the entirety of the war. So, it would most likely lead to the Axis forces continuing the war.
@@CosmoShidan well Axis was just a mining colony in deep space it only had a very small garrison likely with only a few MS if any. Most of the MS development and renovations into a military base was done when the remnants of the Zeon fleet retreated there after A Boa Qu. Had the Zeon whole sale surrendered or brokered peace Axis would never have been turned into a military base/factory.
@@nemisous83 It most likely would have turned into a military base even if there was an unconditional surrender. The nature of fascists is that they can't accept reality and will fanatically and blindly fight until they are most likely dead. With that, I believe that would be the outcome of an unconditional Zeon surrender.
Imagine how differently the Battle of A Baoa Qu could've went had the Solar Ray not been limited to one shot?
Not much. Solar Ray is not a turret. It cannot aim freely and shoot on the fly. As soon as the cannon has been shot, the opponent's mobile suits and battleships would try to stay out of its firing range as much as possible.
5 reasons Zeon lost the war: the Zabi family
He probably could have finished the Zeong too.
Legs are for decoration only -Char Aznable
I agree that the Solar Ray wunderwaffe was a waste but I will say that Gihren using the Solar Ray succeeded in fucking up the Federation in the long term, resulting in its slow decline. Why? Because in using it he killed General Revil.
Johann Abraham Revil would have been the perfect person to lead the Federation into the future. As a budding Newtype himself, he would understand and would likely protect all the young Newtypes appearing. As a non-Earthnoid supremacist, he would have championed conciliation between Earthnoids and Spacenoids and would have likely been able to prevent the rise of the Titans. As the leader of the Federation military he knew the system and would be able to work within it and around it at the same time to achieve his goals and he knew of the Federation's many weaknesses and wanted to remedy them. And as someone who would have been one of the great heroes of the One Year War, he would have the loyalty of many of the Federation's rank and file and even of the civilian population. It is also shown that he is intelligent and adaptable, pushing for the V Project when many of the senior Federation leaders were not sold on the power of Mobile Suits even after Zeon trounced them at all the battles up to the Battle of Loum.
Of course, I can only say this with hindsight through all of the side materials available like the Gihren no Yabou games (shameless plug time: ua-cam.com/video/0zeAF3njaMY/v-deo.html )
Because of gihren
The titans exists
Failure of leadership
The problem with super weapons like this is that you can only fire them ONCE. It doesn't matter how powerful the weapon is, once Your opposition knows how strong it is, the next thing they're going to do is destroy it.
Ghiren Firing the Weapon when needed and at who he did only doomed him And the entire Zeon Movement.
He technically succeeded in damaging federation beyond repair via killing revil.
Well….yeah
You didn't mentioned that if Degwin Zabi was not killed, Zeon at least have a chance to enter peace negotiations with the Earth Federation, heck this is the 2nd time Gigren prolong the war (1st was he released general Revil)
That kinda dawned on me AFTER posting the video. That was kinda the entire reason WHY he assassinated Degwin: to prevent negotiations.
He just oust degwin and take over zeon, most of the zeon troop are loyal to gihren than degwin.
I read on the Gundam wiki that supposedly it took all of zeons colony energy to fire the colony laser (Supposedly).
If I remember from the narrative monologue in the movie or tv series, it took 1/3 of Zeon's solar mirrors to power the solar ray.
I have not heard the word overcompensation used as a phallic reference any more than this video hahhahaa
A WEEK?!?!?
For fuck's sake. I'm a die hard gundam fan but there is no way they built this thing in a week. I can swallow a new mobile suit design being rolled out every six weeks, since I can accept that they were already being worked on. But that's just ridiculous, unless Gihren had some kind of grey goo nanotechnology on hand.
Gihren actually sacrifice shiton of his resources.
The solar ray wasn't actually a huge factor in the loss. The biggest factors were infighting amongst the ranking officers and the zabi family, a lack of standardized parts and controls among the various zeon mobile suits until way too late and most importantly, the federation processing greater resources and manpower. Also, big zam wasn't exactly a good weapon considering it's operating time was only like 20 minutes. Another point, the rays only real issue was being used without proper testing to essentially assassinate Degwin. Girhen already more or less controlled zeon and could have denounced his father as a traitor. There was a fair chance Zeon would have kept fighting and disregarded the surrender, plus they might have had a fleet killing solar weapon that could be used more than once, though I still doubt they would have won down the road.
I feel like it was steadily under construction throughout the war but the final stages requiring the colony to be evacuated only needed 4 days, still very impressive. I don't think the Ray was some sudden inspiration by the Solar Flare System.
The Solar Flare is really simple: it uses a million solar mirrors of concentrated sunlight. Likewise, The Zeon uses concentrated sunlight, but with a cannon piece from a hollowed out colony. I would say the Zabis did, because they operate on the same principle. Plus, this weapon is the closest to the atomic bomb or the Tucker microphone.
You can tell this video isnt researched...
In the novel the solar ray aka the system project was under construction for some time, and fire multiple shots. In either case, the use of the solar ray is similar in effect to using nuclear weapons due to the raw destructive power which is completely understandable given the Zeon miltary's lack of skilled pilots. Tomino makes analogy to Japan following the Battle of the Philipine Sea aka the Marianas Tukey shoot where the Japanese Navy effectively lost all of its skilled pilots. The Zeon military has recruits piloting Gelgoogs and Rick Doms which are comparavle or superior to the base RX-78-2. By using the system project Girhen does more damage to the EFSF military than his mobile suit forces could ever hope to do. If the Zeon were able to fire another shot, the battle (as in the novel) would have turned out far differently.
The novel timeline works differently though.
The idea of building 3 big zam would be a better idea thin a solar laser
Please make more UC gundam reviews
I plan to in the near future.
Ive said the same thing. It should've been used in the end or repurpose the money. Coulda nade an army of big zams, finished the Zeong for casval. Like....alot.
As well as loosing a third of the fleet the Federation also lost their best commander Good ol' General Revil.
Also what are your thoughts on the Dolos class Carrier.
I don't really have a strong opinion about the Dolos. I DO think that it's insanely large, especially going by "The Origin". But, even in standard Canon, it's still massive. Big enough to be a segment of the A Baoa Qu level of Encounters in Space, and Gundam: The Ride, before it got closed down.
@@FlashingBladesProductions Well, what I mean is was the Dolos a good or bad idea?
@@George-Hawthorne Hm. I think that it was a good idea. It was big enough to handle N Field almost entirely by itself, and it got destroyed AFTER Kycillia assassinated Gihren, so if he survived, maybe it would've lasted a little longer. A battle cruiser that size is definitely a great asset on the battlefield. But, bigger isn't always better. Just look at the Big Rang.
@@FlashingBladesProductions Agreed. I think that it would have lasted longer if it had more Point Defense Cannons. Imagine if it had the Big Zam's I-field Generator
All this considered I'm Surprised that the Zeon Remnants never built a successor to it. They had the means since they were able to build the Gwadan class.
My take on the Dolos is that it was a very bad idea. Sure, it can lauch 7 mobile suits at once, but it takes 20 minutes for the catapults to cool down, and if all 7 overheated, that would render the MS still aboard vulnerable. And it's such a big target that it was easily destroyed. Also, I-fields are useless when you take into account that they can't deflect projectiles such as missiles and machine-gun fire, and they cost too much power; space stations and ships need power to supply oxygen. And Point Defense Canons are even more useless when they get sprayed by beam distruption bombs.
Pretty much won neo zeon the gryps war. In the most roundabout way possible.
The war itself had too many cooks for zeon. Kycillia wanted too much in the way of advanced tech and newtypes. Dozle was like we got the numbers and the zaku and the dom. Gihren was more into superweapons.
Okay, but this really is something we tend to see with real world dictators when things get desperate: An obsession with "Wonder Weapons", basically weapons that are well above what are currently available, and probably even possible. As an example, look up "Wunderwaffe" on wikipedia for a list of the ones from WW2. When people like Gihren get desperate, they start looking for a hail-mary to save them.
The reality is that, barring the creation of the atom bomb during WW2, there has never been a case where an experimental weapon dreamed up during an active war was able to be designed, manufactured, and then see wide-spread implementation in time for it to have an actual impact on the war itself. Wars are often won or lost by what equipment and resources are available at the start of the war, not any new developments made in the middle of it.
Great video
I agree with you!
Solar ray was a far better investment. I weapon capable of destroying a third of the Federation fleet while the big zam was only able to destroy a handful of ships before it was destroyed by a single mobile suit. This is like comparing the V2 rocket to the nuclear bombs in ww2. Both were super weapons but one clearly had the ability to tip the balance. I guarantee you the federation was more concerned with a weapons system capable of destroying hundreds of ships instantly from ranges beyond their ability to respond than a system that could be neutralized by a single Gundam. If the solar system was made earlier and had multi-fire capabilities then I'm sure it would have tipped the balance of power. I could be wrong though. What other alternative could cause as much damage, provide as much protection via firing range, and keep your losses to a minimum? The zeon could never compete via numbers so investing in ships or mobile suites was not a great alternative. When you're facing a larger opponent you must have a SIGNIFICANT edge via weapons systems and the solar ray was the only weapons system capable of this. The final battle from Gundam Seed gives an idea of the potential of the solar ray when compared to the Genesis system.
There's a reason the fall of the Titans is called the Gryps war and not the Psycho Gundam war.
this solar ray might be a bad idea but it helps Char take out two Zabi with no effort.
What novel were you referring to? I'd like to read it
Big zam would just delayed the defeat.
This guy should have at least spamming big ZAM.
i don't know, i think his biggest mistake was helping his father lead a war on the earth federation that led to billions dead
I’m just saying if the Big Zam was mass produced they would’ve won with ease
No? The big zam would delay the inevitable defeat since it will just makes the federation forces switch to bazookas.
@@Supremebro0000 those Big Zam lasers vaporize battleships, I’m sure it can deal with bazookas
@@somerandomdogontheinternet1338 the limited operation time (30 minutes.) would still be a pain.
Kinda fucked up how they threw a colony at the earth with all its people in it but this one only gets evacuated
If throw a colony at your enemy base
Then you going to lose less army
@@fuckingking6796 At the cost of being a complete hypocrite. You see, Zeon is the kind of freedom fighter group that's fighting hard to liberate spacenoids... by gassing those spacenoids to death or driving them out so they and use their homes as giant rocks they can throw at Earth in order to save their own numbers.
There's reason most of the White Base crew and many other Gundam protagonists are actually born in space. They're direct victims of Zeon's bullshits and are not going to stand by them.
Cool
Wow ... Very nice
His only mistake was not using the colony laser more than once
Woah :0
V2 could have equipped every single German soldier with an STG-44 with ample ammunitions
Nah this was not it, allowing Revil get away and allowing his sister to pick the delegation for the peace talks after Loum. Zeon could not win a long drawn out war even if the Feddies didn't have MS to speed the defeat up. I say this a Zeon fangirl too, I know full well the strengths and weaknesses of the faction and a quick decisive war was the only hope. With a quick win giving them total freedom from the feddies and the time they would get while the feddies rebuilt while also attempting to recover from the colony drop Zeon could have thrown all the resources they had into MS and fleet numbers while keeping a tech edge enough to force a cold war. They could then use economic/political means to get more colonies to their side or at least become neutral giving less ports to the feddies which is just as bad as losing territory. But nope... had to go all bonkers and make the war last far too damn long ruining any hope of freedom for any colony not just Zeon. -_-
I'd say that yes, killing Gihren is what lost Zeon the war, because all the veteran pilots who also happened to be Gihren loyalists bugged out after he died, knowing that Kycilia Zabi had him killed.
I think Gihren centralizing all power to make him the absolute monarch is what doomed Zeon as the court was full of infighting and backstabbing. No one was truly loyal to each other outside of Gihren and that all changed when he killed his father, showing Kacillia what a truly vial lunatic he was. Even if she didn’t kill him, no one would be loyal to her as Gihren never planned for the event of him not being the figurehead of the regime, so their subjects wouldn’t give a shit about the war as the man leading the charge was dead. If a war was started to put the Zabis in charge and more importantly Gihren in power, what’s the point if Gihren is not only dead but killed by his sister for murdering his own father . It shows the Zabis inspire no genuine love or power at that point, they’re just Rich assholes who want power and do not give a shit who stands in their way, even if it’s their family
@@brigidmadden5577 Gihren had a lot of good officers and aces loyal to him. They ran away after he died, which caused Zeon to lose the war.
@@HolyknightVader999 that’s exactly what I mean. If the only competent people are in this for Gihren, what the hell is gonna happen to Zeon when he dies. Even if Kacillia didn’t kill him, they probably would’ve jumped ship as they were only loyal to Gihren, not Zeon
@@brigidmadden5577 Gihren would've likely appointed a successor for Zeon when his regime had stabilized.
@@HolyknightVader999gelmy from ZZ:"HA HA HA HA HA HA."
It wasnt a bad weapon, post war it wouldve been a good shield for Side 6 if Degwin hadnt been backstabbed
Kycilia was gonna kill off Gihren, no matter what the outcome was.
Gihren"s greed: not always .
Gihren colony laser are far better than E.S.S.F. Solar ray
1 mistake of Gihren is his sister.
HA! This aired In japan in 1979. And it’s not real. What’s your age?
Late 20s. What's YOUR age?
Of course it's not real. Otherwise, most of humanity would be dead right now. Have you never been on any kind of nerdy UA-cam channel before? Over-analyzing our favorite IPs is what we do.
Dumb choice
spoilers for a 40 year old anime, lmao