LOTR Lore - The Noldorin Royal Family Explained : Fingolfin's Children
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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Fingon - Anna Lee
Fingon - Elena kukanova
Feanor - Steamey
Fingon saves Maedhros - Jenny Dolfen
Fighting at Alqualondë - Ted Nasmith
Burning of the ships - Ted Nasmith
Turgon - Antii Autio DeviantArt
Turgon by the walls of Gondolin - Filat DeviantArt
Death of Elenwe - SaMo-art DeviantArt
Gondolin - Alan Lee
Tuor and Gondolin - Ted Nasmith
Fall of Gondolin - Alan Lee
Aredhel - kennabeth.tumb...
Aredhel - eldamaranquend...
Aredhel in the woods - Filat DeviantArt
Eol - SaMo-art DeviantArt
Aredhel dying - Liga Klavina
Argon in the family tree - Filat DeviantArt
Anaire - Filat DeviantArt
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Turgon was the third High King of the Noldor.
The High Kingship only developed in Middle-earth with the division of the Noldor into separate realms.
Fingolfin->Fingon->Turgon->Gil-galad
Finwe was not High King of the Noldor, he was _Ñoldóran_ (King of the Noldor). When he 'unkinged' himself after Feanor's bamishment, Fingolfin became king. On Finwe's death, Feanor attempted to claim the Kingship, this was rejected by most of the Noldor who would not renounce Fingolfin.
Thus leading to two rival claimants.
And a note that the First Age begins when the Elves Awaken at Cuivienen.
On the point about the "high kingship", i think that is really just semantics but i get your point. I guess if we're being really precise you are totally right, but i don't think most people are thinking about the technical difference between finwe ruling over the noldor with no divided realms and fingon being the top authority over the realms in beleriand, if they are then what i said would be somewhat misleading to newcomers (though i don't think it's a huge deal) and i could change how i refer to it. Perhaps i will in future (i chose to say sixth high king for eases sake and to try to include the ultimate rulers and rightful hehe ultimate rulers before). As for Finwe he says he holds HIMSELF unkinged. I don't see that as meaning the noldor saw him as not being their king. Especially since the silmarillion says thither also came Finwe THE KING. And it says fingolfin ruled in valinor but not that he was king.
I get that the majority of the noldor held him as king later. But by rights it should have been Feanor, and again the order is not super important i don't think, and in practice the noldor and fingolfin followed Feanor not the other way round, also some DID hold him as king.
About the first age beginning with the awakening of the elves. The thing is it's a super common thing for people to ignore that and start at the end of the years of the trees. I know it's wrong, but it has become the convention so i stuck to it.
@@cerebrummachine2562
"But the Gnomes of Tun would not renounce the kingship of Fingolfin, and as two divided hosts therefore they set forth..."
SoMe, The Quenta
"Yet the Noldor of Tûn would not now renounce the kingship of Fingolfin..."
LRaoW, Quenta Silmarillion
(Tolkien also uses 'rule' for Fingolfin in those ms.)
In MR, AAm Tolkien also uses 'rule':
"But Fingolfin ruled the Noldor in Túna...".
And then there is this:
"These names in ' Sindarized form' are Feanor, Ingolfin and Inglor (but this not actually applied to Arafinwe who never came to Beleriand). Ingolfin arose in this way. After banishment of Feanor (& Finwe) Ingoldo became king, and took name of Finwe; but was known as Vinya Finwe or Ingoldo Finwe. From Ingoldofinwe > Ingolfin. [If Fingolfin is used at all this must be for Finwe·nolofinwe. ]"
PE 17, Words, Phrases and Passages in LotR
But ultimately thank you for the feedback, i want to make sure i get as much as possible right and don't portray things inaccurately after all.
@@cerebrummachine2562 I think that most appropriate, particularly when detailing the actual lore.
You are welcome.
@@Tar-Elenion
The last piece of evidence you brought convinces me that i'm mistaken in thinking fingolfin was not king. But overall i don't think it changes my reply much. I still think that ultimate authority was feanor's and then maedhros's by right and so offcially they should be counted as such. And practically the noldor ended up following feanor. But if we are talking about what happened on the ground then yes you are right there would only be 4 people with ultimate authority and 3 high kings by the actual definition of high king.
I will probably correct myself, or explain myself in future when i get the chance, and again i thank you for bringing it up.