It occurred to me I don't recall seeing a pitcher with that much dirt on his uniform....Shohei's probably the only pitcher who would head slide after getting on base. Legend!
Yeah, except Shohei doesn't slide head-first on the bases except to home plate. He slides the more conventional and safer way. Otherwise, he'd be out for multiple games like Mike Trout was after a head-first slide into second, putting Trout on the IL for an extended period and leading to him wearing the funny oven mitt after that. But then, Trout doesn't attempt to steal bases anymore. Ohtani the pitcher does.
That makes no sense... if Shohei is MVP of the MLB this season, he would also be the AL MVP! There's no way you can say that and say Judge is the MVP lol
@@DadStrength81 Haha! Totally agree! If Shohei Ohtani the MLB MVP then the AL MVP is his also. Doesn't make no sense!! So Mr Doori is lying then. There's no such thing as MLB MVP 😂🤣Either way, whoever wins deserve it. Vegas has Judge as the favorite but my vote is on Ohtani
I literally seems like they're talking about someone that doesn't actually exist. It just sounds like something straight out of a movie. This man is truly mythical and will go down in history for years and years to come.
Shohei Ohtani Is first player to qualify both hitter and pitcher in the same season, 162 innings for pitcher, and over 502 plate appearance for hitter. No one before, and I think will have no one after for a very very long time.
We have to wait another 100year for next one to break his record. I’m so get to see him play nowadays ,just like my mom used to tell about how great was Micheal Jordan🎉
If shohei doesn't get league mvp, MLB will really have to consider how they calculate metrics and vote. This guy isn't just a unicorn on the mound, but a unicorn in all of baseball.
@@jordanrhodes929 You are comparing unlike terms. Like you learned in algebra, you can't add x and y together. You can be the best hitter by a little or the best hitter by a lot and there is a HUGE difference. But the statement you make completely glosses over that difference
@@jordanrhodes929 For example, if Judge barely beat out the league with one more point of batting average, on base percentage, and slugging, do you think that's the same as leading the league by a mile? Based on your argument it is, since Shohei's ranking doesn't change. My point is that you can't just look at the stats of one player and say they are MVP without looking at the stats of others.
@@derekwang7330 judge was maybe half a batters worth more than Ohtani. Doesn’t outweigh Ohtani being an elite pitcher as well. 2 elite players in one > one elite player. Judge was amazing but his hitting was not more valuable than a top 5 hitter and top 3 pitcher. Just no shot.
I grew up an Atlanta Braves fan, and Shohei’s production numbers are equivalent to having BOTH Chipper Jones AND John Smoltz in one player. . . And both of those players are Hall of Famers.
In today's market Jones and Smoltz would each fetch at least 30m a year, which means Ohtani's FA contract demand should start at 60m/year and that number somehow seems low lol.
@@phuckbillgates8790 this is why people think judge is a runaway for mvp because they don’t actually watch Ohtani or know his stats. YES this year Ohtani has had a chipper Jones type season. Chipper Jones career averages (30 HR, 105 RBI, .303 avg, .930 OPS, 141 OPS+, 308 Total Bases) -> Ohtani this season (34 HR, 95 RBI, .273 avg, .875 OPS, 145 OPS+, 304 Total bases)
@@phuckbillgates8790 AND he’s had a much better year than Smoltz ever had lol. His numbers this year are actually comparable to only Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez considering SO/9 and ERA
I really think in the last month ohtani was practicing pitching and hitting. At the plate , he stop trying to swing for big home runs and shortening his swing and go opposite field. On the mound, he was throwing a lot of sliders and his new sinker. Dude is so good he was practicing his craft and still dominating. 😂
There is proof that Ohtani is the MVP. If you swap him and Judge, the angels and judge still don’t make playoffs and Ohtani then is the top hitter AND top pitcher BOTH on the 208 million dollar Yankees who still make the playoffs. Talk about value. He’s the most valuable player of any team on any season ever. Absolutely incredible.
That’s a good point. For sure the angels are still bad with judge. The Yankees also almost blew the division and played pretty terrible for most of the 2nd half which ppl aren’t factoring in. 220ks with a 2.33 era and then elite batting stats… it’s such a tough call if judge got the triple crown this would be considered one fo the greatest offensive seasons in history and he was what? Just a couple points away from getting to…
@@Flowerz__ for sure but he didn’t get that triple crown and hell Stanton just hit 59 and didn’t win. Home runs have value. So do other batting stats. But Ohtani has numbers that cover a lot of judges ground. The left overs from judge don’t account for more value than Ohtani on the mound. Not even close. Like I said he would literally be the 208 million dollar Yankees best pitcher.
Still can’t get my heads around how people can’t see he is the MVP this year. He outperforms his 2021 stats in many ways. People are just tired of “hyping” him and getting used to a miracle we’re witnessing, which is absolutely ridiculous.
SHOHEI OHTANI 2022 FACTS - ONLY PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY WITH 10+ PITCHING WINS AND 30+ HOMERUNS IN THE SAME SEASON - ONLY BATTER IN MLB HISTORY TO RECORD AN 8+RBI GAME AS A BATTER AND 13+ STRIKEOUT GAME AS PITCHER AT ANY POINT IN A CAREER, HE ACCOMPLISHED BOTH FEATS IN CONSECUTIVE GAMES THIS SEASON ( JUNE 21-22 VS KC) - ONLY PITCHER IN MLB HISTORY TO CARRY A ONE-HITTER(OR BETTER) INTO THE 6TH INNING AGAINST BOTH REIGNING LEAGUE CHAMPIONS IN THE SAME SEASON ( APRIL 20 AT HOUSTON& JULY 22 AT ATALANTA) - FIRST PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY TO BOTH THROW AND FACE A TEAM'S FIRST PITCH OF THE SEASON - LEADS THE MAJORS WITH A HOME-TO-FIRST AVERAGE TIME OF 4.08 SECONDS - ONLY AMERICAN LEAGUE STARTING PITCHER TO THROW 40+ PITCHES AT 100+MPH THIS SEASON - ONLY PLAYER IN THE WORLD SERIES ERA TO COMPILE 10+ WINS AND 10+ STOLEN BASES IN THE SAME SEASON SHOHEI OHTANI MVP 2022
You can also combine 200+ strikeouts to any of the above hitting facts as a first ever done in MLB. I don't know if anyone can reach these milestones ever unless it's Ohtani himself!
It’s really a tough decision. 219Ks with a 2.33 ERA and pretty damn good batting stats, not as good as last year but it’s still elite. Judges batting stats are pretty ridiculous tho and if he had got the triple crown with 62 home runs it would be considered one do the greatest offensive seasons of all time. I honestly don’t know who’d I’d vote for, If I had to guess tho I think the writers will go for judge for the fact that #1 he’s a yankee and they won the division even tho they almost blew it and judge was slumping for September getting walked a lot. And for the fact tht ppl romanticize the home run and a lot of ppl will consider this the true single season home run record. What shohei has done is incredible. Honestly they should both be co mvps IMO.
Stats determines loser or winner; character determines inferior or superior. Ohtani’s benevolence, humility, and positivity are truly what make him the greatest of all time.
@@charlescowden3843 FACTS AND TRUE. MLB should start have a consensus meeting with all voters coz it will be a embarrassing travesty if they don't even consider Shotime😀
The two analysts are both right, Ohtani is a player unlike any other. Yet the same Tom Verducci has been promoting Aaron Judge for MVP largely because he is surpassing the HR record in the AL. Stanton hit 59 in 2017. So is that HR accomplishment really that spectacular compared with the two-way excellence and MLB uniqueness of Ohtani?
No but the baseball world isn't quite prepared for Shohei. He challenges people to think differently and the baseball world (e.g. "Moneyball") lives in nostalgia a lot of the time.
@@derekwang7330 If you read my original post, I made clear that I was criticizing the emphasis on HRs as well as pushing for the Ohtani two-way excellence that Judge can't compete with. Judge didn't win the triple crown, and too much obsession is on HRs. I like him and respect what he did, but I think Ohtani remains the supreme MLB talent and MVP.
@@DemonFox369 Let's not forget some anime moments Ohtani has brought us 🔥 2021 season- Hit a line drive so hard it went through a second baseman glove, AFTER HE CAUGHT IT 😆. 2022 season- Got struck out by a sinker that impressed him and in a very short period, he now has a devastating sinker himself. Does this man have a sharigan?! Also catches ⚾️ bullets flying straight down the middle off the mound with quick reaction. I'm just waiting for him to take it to the next level and watch his hair turn blonde and spikey 😄 🤣
If they not going to give any award to this best baseball player just because he is not the best pitcher or the best hitter, it will be a shame in baseball history.
If Ohtani becomes better in pitching next year, he will win Cy Young. If Ohtani becomes better in batting next year, he will win Hank Aaron. And of course, Ohtani will be MVP. That's gonna be the most historic performance for sure.
Shohei Ohtani deserves all the attention he's getting, he's doing something no baseball player has ever done, forget Babe Ruth, he only played in an all Whites only league never faced the best Black players of his era, only pitched 1 year, wasn't anywhere near Ohtani's physical abilities. Once in a lifetime athlete is right, but American media loves building people up just to tear them down, we'll get non stop overload of Ohtani until people get sick of it then any little wrong thing he does will be amplified all in the name of clicks and views. That's how the game is played.
Aaron judge is a walking leg 🦵 tripping an running 🏃♂️ around the bases. Shohei ohtani is a talented a triple H double ⚔️ 🐠 who can bat, pitch, an hit home runs.end of story love Shohei!! Good luck next year aaron judge!!
Many biased fans act like Ohtani is a good pitcher and an average hitter, and is overhyped because he is a two-way player doing something haven't been done in 100+ years only because no one has been even attempting. But the truth is that he is elite in both. Besides a combined WAR of 9.5, below are his stats this season: Batting (AL) 4th in HR 8th in Run 7th in RBI 7th in walks 5th in SLG 5th in OPS 5th in Total Bases *He also had an 18-game hitting streak that was the 3rd longest this year in AL. Pitching (AL) 4th in ERA 4th in Wins 3rd in Ks 1st in K/9 In short, he is a top 5 hitter in AL, with a higher SLG, OPS, and HR total than Jose Ramirez or Vladimir Guerrero Jr., and at the same time, he is also a top 5 pitcher in AL, with a lower ERA than Shane McClanahan, Gerrit Cole, or Robbie Ray. As some have mentioned, if you swap him and Judge, Ohtani would be the best pitcher AND the best hitter for the Yankees team. Think about how incredible and valuable he really is. Surely, he probably won't win the MVP this season, as Judge also had a heck of a season. However, claiming that Ohtani is average in hitting this season just how you are totally biased and clueless.
Ohtani dominated Astros. Astros dominated Judge. “Breaking 104 year old record which even PED players could not break” is more impressive than “breaking 40 year old record if not counting PED athletes’ record”
How? He's the face of the majors right now, and he won MVP? They've been comparing him to Babe Ruth - arguably the most iconic name in baseball history - for the past 3 years. The issue is that most of America doesn't watch baseball, and only cares about NBA or Football.
Don’t just talk about it then! Give Ohtani the MVP then..‼️talk…talk… The media people are so enamored with HR. It’sso macho….flashy…we have had HR kings before. Trout is a HR King this year too..he only played 120 games and have 40. If he played full he may be blasting 60+ too!! BUT JUDGE IS THE HR KING - THIS YEAR!! 2022. Thats it! Heard some “analysts” say Judge is better baseball player than Trout⁉️ These Yankee people really know how to add on things not existing…
@@derekwang7330 Shohei creates new categories in MLB. Not existing ones. There are stats for hitting and pitching but not for combined. Its like all speak either german or french. While Ohtani speaks both.
Did he say 'probably won't' ? When talking about Sho's MVP chances? If Judge gets MVP it's not based on merit. Sure Judge has had a great season (and seems like a class act), but Sho's season is demonstrably better, it's not even close.
If Judge wins MVP, this will be one of the greatest voting mistake ever. “WAR” is playing in Judge’s favor simply the fact that it never anticipated someone could be so good on both batting and pitching.
Is this really the record of one baseball player in the same season? I'm probably paralyzed, so I just want to make sure I'm not mistaken, but you really think Judge is having a more historic season than Ohtani, right? Shohei Ohtani ・BATTER ・PITCHER AB：586 G：28 AVG：.273 W-L：15-9 HR：34 ERA：2.33 RBI：95 IP：166.0 SB：11 SO：219 OPS：.875 WHIP：1.01 Aaron Judge ・BATTER ・FIELDER AB：570 G：157 AVG：.311 INN：374.2 HR：62 OPP：275 RBI：131 PO：272 SB：16 A：6 OPS：1.111 FPCT：1.000
Judge is amazing and yes he will win MVP but he is not as valuable as Ohtani. People take two way for granted but name one player that can be a cy candidate and top 5 hitter at the same time. In 5 to 10 years, people will realize how special Ohtani was this season but now we can all live the moment of 62HR.
If Judge wins it he and MLB will be ridiculed in the future for decades by rational people who look back and realize how ridiculously good Ohtani was this season.
Plot of most "analysts" : "Yeah Ohtani is GREAT, he is the UNICORN, he did things we have never seen in like "EVER", he is making history, he is yadee yadaa. But he doesn't deserve the MVP because other 20+ teammates suck (except Mike Trout, of course) so the team could not reach playoff."
As much as everyone loves him now, I don't think he will be truly appreciated until we have some historical context and we see more people try to do what he did and fail. We'll probably consider Ohtani the GOAT of baseball in 50 years.
I don't know if it's MVP or what, but if you like HR, HR, HR so much, you should quit baseball and play HR If you like HR so much, you should quit baseball and play HR derby every month. You should get in shape and train for the monthly tournament and compete for batting average and distance. I think that would be fun. Why do you think baseball is played every day? Because it is a comprehensive sport that involves hitting, baserunning, defense, and pitching, and the physical burden on the individual is lower than in soccer, for example. I think we've reached a point where we can't properly evaluate Shohei without rethinking baseball from scratch. If that's nasty, lazy, conservative people don't like him, then that's troublesome.
Say what you want. Breaking the HR record and being 1st on most of the hitting stats, yes, it is GREAT. Judge had a remarkable season. But Is this the FIRST time we have ever seen people like that? No. There had been a lot of great hitters in our days. Now Ohtani. Has there anyone like him before? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And people treat him like we've seen him before. "Ah average at both, not worth. Focus on one thing." Are you out of your mind? All these people saying he is not that great, clearly have never played a baseball and don't know what it takes to be an elite player on both side.
Not only is Othani a great player. Perhaps the most unique two way player we have seen in baseball since Babe Ruth. He is a great person to. I met him at the All Star game in July during on field workouts. I didn't get his autograph but I took a pic with him and he was just nice. Great guy.
Only major U.S. sport where playing both offense and defense isn't a two way player even though they all do both in MLB. See this all the time in young leagues. Hand him MVP Award every year rest of his career. Tune in for World Series! Then we'll have something we don't know outcome of and tune into.
This was the kind of player Rick Ankiel was supposed to be before he got the yips, and couldn't find the plate. Then, he got talked into becoming an outfielder to focus just on his bat, but you have to wonder if he never gets the yips how good he would have been as a pitcher/hitter.
Too little too late. Ohtani was the 1st player in history to qualify as batter and pitcher yesterday and MLB didn't deem this worthy of a highlight....what the actual f-ck.
Shohei should win back to back MVPs but Aaron Judge will win it deservingly! Next season if Judge doesn't break his own HR record and Shohei does the same he did this year, he will win MVP for sure.
I want you analysts to note a change in his pitching mechanics and I don't know why he does it. As part of his windup, when he lifts his left knee high, he's nearly un hittable. When he doesn't he looks fatigued and appears to be trying to steer the ball.
If there is a football playing both ways at a pro bowl level Or a all star hockey player playing both goalie and center etc etc I'm going to eat that up and watch I'm watching Ohtani not only so I can tell the grandkids what I saw But because I don't believe he will last long doing it sooner or later he will break down Where are you most likely to get hurt? On the mound and at the plate In a MLB where they are now cracking down on pitchers and foreign substances. I expect 60 homeruns to be a common occurrence I don't expect another Ohtani Why would anyone take a paycut, risk injury and not be recognized for it
Ohtani is doing the work of two pitchers and two hitters in the All-Star Game all by himself. Judge is, at most, one and a half. If he is great as a hitter, then Major League Baseball is at fault, not making awards for hitters. The MVP, as the name implies, is an award for the most outstanding player, not for Hank Aaron. Ohtani gets the Cy Young and the MVP, and Judge gets the newly created award for hitters. This is the correct reality.
Baseball is so screwed up, if the Angels had a better record and was going into the playoffs. There would be no doubt he is the MVP of the season, but we look at HRs / Batting Average + wins into the post season and not what ShoTime is doing, changing the game as a two way SKILLED player. Unicorn indeed🦄 … props to Judge & the Yankees , but they need to share this award
And the MLB campaign to secure the MVP for Ohtani moves to the off season. Good job MLB. Good job voters! Only if you had a hit piece on Judge, right? Forget that Ohtani's team tanked and Judge put the team on his back after the All-Star break, took them to the play-offs, broke the AL home run record, nearly secured a triple crown. Oh no no no!! Anything to ram it down anything NY Sport fans throat. We know you hate us and this dollars down that fact. Fully expect this comment to hit the dust been b/c - - - integrity, right?
Judge: 62HR 131RBI 133R Shohei: 34HR 95RBI 90R Now, compare Judge to Shohei as 2 players Player 1: Shohei 34HR 95RBI 90R Player 1: Judge 34HR 95RBI 90R Player 2: Judge (62-34) = 28HR (131-95) = 36RBI (133-90) = 43R Outfielder Player 2: Shohei 4th ERA = 2.33 4th Wins = 15 3rd K = 219 1st K/9 = 11.9 Pitcher Both Player 1 being equal, pick who is the better Player 2?
The only reason why I watch MLB.
Ohtani is a generational player ! Who deserved even more crédit ! WAR cannot even assess is true value. The real MVP for me this year !!
You're right except that he's not generational great, he's historic and unprecedented in greatness.
MVP of the century!!
I think war does a fine job of quantifying his value.
I think he’s century player. LOL i really don’t think we will see anyone who is good as Ohtani is on both sides for another hundred years.
@@rminondo88 not really since DH gets negative WAR for calculations
I never gave a shit about baseball until I saw Shohei play last year! Best player in the World
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It occurred to me I don't recall seeing a pitcher with that much dirt on his uniform....Shohei's probably the only pitcher who would head slide after getting on base. Legend!
Yeah, except Shohei doesn't slide head-first on the bases except to home plate. He slides the more conventional and safer way. Otherwise, he'd be out for multiple games like Mike Trout was after a head-first slide into second, putting Trout on the IL for an extended period and leading to him wearing the funny oven mitt after that. But then, Trout doesn't attempt to steal bases anymore. Ohtani the pitcher does.
@@surfwriter8461 Good point! Never noticed that. Another thing I learned about Ohtani.
You'll never see a player like this again.
Give him back to back commissioner award instead of AL MVP, CY. We shouldn’t downplay what he has done.
Ya commissioner award is much rarer. He deserves to be the first to hold two of them.
I agree
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いいえ、大谷にはAL MVPが与えられるべきです。大谷のやったことは他の選手では到底成し遂げれるようなことではありません。そしてこれからも破られることはないでしょう
Agreed
Aaron Judge is popular in NY.
Shohei Ohtani is popular in the world!
Best player to ever play the game
AL MVP Judge
NL MVP whoever deserves it
MLB MVP Shohei Ohtani
Shohei's been making history and will make more history each and every season he plays
That makes no sense... if Shohei is MVP of the MLB this season, he would also be the AL MVP! There's no way you can say that and say Judge is the MVP lol
@@DadStrength81 youre thinking about it too far
@@DadStrength81 Haha! Totally agree! If Shohei Ohtani the MLB MVP then the AL MVP is his also. Doesn't make no sense!! So Mr Doori is lying then. There's no such thing as MLB MVP 😂🤣Either way, whoever wins deserve it. Vegas has Judge as the favorite but my vote is on Ohtani
You seriously can’t tell that Goldschmidt is the runaway NL mvp lol
Judge can get Hank Aaron award.
He only hits.
I literally seems like they're talking about someone that doesn't actually exist. It just sounds like something straight out of a movie. This man is truly mythical and will go down in history for years and years to come.
Legit the modern day Babe Ruth. Except he's not playing against plumbers and firemen.
@@NYCharlie718 🤣 plumbers and fireman got me dead
Ohtani is the best I've witnessed. Dude is special! We are witnessing greatness. He is a true unicorn 🦄
Shohei Ohtani Is first player to qualify both hitter and pitcher in the same season, 162 innings for pitcher, and
over 502 plate appearance for hitter. No one before, and I think will have no one after for a very very long time.
Wrong! You will see someone do it next year already and you know who that is ;)
We have to wait another 100year for next one to break his record.
I’m so get to see him play nowadays ,just like my mom used to tell about how great was Micheal Jordan🎉
I don’t think most people realize his greatness
He had arguably the greatest season in North American sports history last season
@@angellugo922 Yes HISTORY
Very obv because judge will win mvp. No shade to judge but it’s a damn shame
I never watched baseball til now
that's me. I don't watch baseball at all. Still not currently inspired to, but I did look up "what is good about ohtani", and ended up here.
What Shohei has done for MLB is unprecedented, AL MVP is an understatement
They should just name it shohei Ohtani award and give it to him every year he's the greatest ever.
If shohei doesn't get league mvp, MLB will really have to consider how they calculate metrics and vote. This guy isn't just a unicorn on the mound, but a unicorn in all of baseball.
What do you think of WPA and cWPA?
@@derekwang7330 can’t we just use our eyes sometimes? The second best pitcher in the AL with 34 bombs and 95 rbi is unmatched value wise.
@@jordanrhodes929 You are comparing unlike terms. Like you learned in algebra, you can't add x and y together. You can be the best hitter by a little or the best hitter by a lot and there is a HUGE difference. But the statement you make completely glosses over that difference
@@jordanrhodes929 For example, if Judge barely beat out the league with one more point of batting average, on base percentage, and slugging, do you think that's the same as leading the league by a mile? Based on your argument it is, since Shohei's ranking doesn't change. My point is that you can't just look at the stats of one player and say they are MVP without looking at the stats of others.
@@derekwang7330 judge was maybe half a batters worth more than Ohtani. Doesn’t outweigh Ohtani being an elite pitcher as well. 2 elite players in one > one elite player. Judge was amazing but his hitting was not more valuable than a top 5 hitter and top 3 pitcher. Just no shot.
Shohei has the potential to win the Cy young, Silver Slugger AND MVP in the same year. . That’s how unbelievably talented he is as a 2-way player.
Have to give it to Shohei!
He essentially won games by himself for a month and a half while Trout was out.
There is no one close for most valuable 👑
I grew up an Atlanta Braves fan, and Shohei’s production numbers are equivalent to having BOTH Chipper Jones AND John Smoltz in one player. . . And both of those players are Hall of Famers.
In today's market Jones and Smoltz would each fetch at least 30m a year, which means Ohtani's FA contract demand should start at 60m/year and that number somehow seems low lol.
C'mon buddy Otani is not Chipper Jones as a hitter, more like Matt Olsen, but is similar to Smoltz.
@@phuckbillgates8790 this is why people think judge is a runaway for mvp because they don’t actually watch Ohtani or know his stats. YES this year Ohtani has had a chipper Jones type season. Chipper Jones career averages (30 HR, 105 RBI, .303 avg, .930 OPS, 141 OPS+, 308 Total Bases) -> Ohtani this season (34 HR, 95 RBI, .273 avg, .875 OPS, 145 OPS+, 304 Total bases)
@@phuckbillgates8790 AND he’s had a much better year than Smoltz ever had lol. His numbers this year are actually comparable to only Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez considering SO/9 and ERA
I really think in the last month ohtani was practicing pitching and hitting. At the plate , he stop trying to swing for big home runs and shortening his swing and go opposite field. On the mound, he was throwing a lot of sliders and his new sinker. Dude is so good he was practicing his craft and still dominating. 😂
He was preparing for the next season and WBC😂
@@Iverson8811 He maybe nothrow at WBC only DH.
Time to make a new award for
He is not the most valuable player he is the Most Precious Player in all of baseball..
Ohtani is MVP in all sports
There is proof that Ohtani is the MVP. If you swap him and Judge, the angels and judge still don’t make playoffs and Ohtani then is the top hitter AND top pitcher BOTH on the 208 million dollar Yankees who still make the playoffs. Talk about value. He’s the most valuable player of any team on any season ever. Absolutely incredible.
I think ohtani will have a perfect pitching record.
Judge would lose the Angels more games than Ohtani would win the Yankees
That’s a good point. For sure the angels are still bad with judge. The Yankees also almost blew the division and played pretty terrible for most of the 2nd half which ppl aren’t factoring in. 220ks with a 2.33 era and then elite batting stats… it’s such a tough call if judge got the triple crown this would be considered one fo the greatest offensive seasons in history and he was what? Just a couple points away from getting to…
@@Flowerz__ for sure but he didn’t get that triple crown and hell Stanton just hit 59 and didn’t win. Home runs have value. So do other batting stats. But Ohtani has numbers that cover a lot of judges ground. The left overs from judge don’t account for more value than Ohtani on the mound. Not even close. Like I said he would literally be the 208 million dollar Yankees best pitcher.
Judge has a higher Win Probability Added than Shohei, in other words, he has helped his team win more than Ohtani
Still can’t get my heads around how people can’t see he is the MVP this year. He outperforms his 2021 stats in many ways. People are just tired of “hyping” him and getting used to a miracle we’re witnessing, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Because his competition is much stronger. You get that, right?
Yeah he’s mvp
SHOHEI OHTANI 2022 FACTS
- ONLY PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY WITH 10+ PITCHING WINS AND 30+ HOMERUNS IN THE SAME SEASON
- ONLY BATTER IN MLB HISTORY TO RECORD AN 8+RBI GAME AS A BATTER AND 13+ STRIKEOUT GAME AS PITCHER AT ANY POINT IN A CAREER, HE ACCOMPLISHED BOTH FEATS IN CONSECUTIVE GAMES THIS SEASON ( JUNE 21-22 VS KC)
- ONLY PITCHER IN MLB HISTORY TO CARRY A ONE-HITTER(OR BETTER) INTO THE 6TH INNING AGAINST BOTH REIGNING LEAGUE CHAMPIONS IN THE SAME SEASON ( APRIL 20 AT HOUSTON& JULY 22 AT ATALANTA)
- FIRST PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY TO BOTH THROW AND FACE A TEAM'S FIRST PITCH OF THE SEASON
- LEADS THE MAJORS WITH A HOME-TO-FIRST AVERAGE TIME OF 4.08 SECONDS
- ONLY AMERICAN LEAGUE STARTING PITCHER TO THROW 40+ PITCHES AT 100+MPH THIS SEASON
- ONLY PLAYER IN THE WORLD SERIES ERA TO COMPILE 10+ WINS AND 10+ STOLEN BASES IN THE SAME SEASON
SHOHEI OHTANI MVP 2022
You can also combine 200+ strikeouts to any of the above hitting facts as a first ever done in MLB. I don't know if anyone can reach these milestones ever unless it's Ohtani himself!
Ohtani is not chasing history, he is making history. That sums up the mvp debate
It’s really a tough decision. 219Ks with a 2.33 ERA and pretty damn good batting stats, not as good as last year but it’s still elite. Judges batting stats are pretty ridiculous tho and if he had got the triple crown with 62 home runs it would be considered one do the greatest offensive seasons of all time. I honestly don’t know who’d I’d vote for, If I had to guess tho I think the writers will go for judge for the fact that #1 he’s a yankee and they won the division even tho they almost blew it and judge was slumping for September getting walked a lot. And for the fact tht ppl romanticize the home run and a lot of ppl will consider this the true single season home run record.
What shohei has done is incredible. Honestly they should both be co mvps IMO.
Judge has a higher WPA
@@Flowerz__ The biggest reason the will pick Judge is because he is American. The NA bias is strong in all prof. sports. NHL, NBA, MLB.
Judge = MVP(Most Valuable Player)
Ohtani = OOP(Only One Player)
大谷翔平は、もはやMVPの次元を超えていると思います。
彼は、他の選手の追随を許さない、いわば唯一無二の選手です。
Stats determines loser or winner; character determines inferior or superior. Ohtani’s benevolence, humility, and positivity are truly what make him the greatest of all time.
Ohtani and Judge are both humble players
This year there needs to be co AL mvps
@@charlescowden3843 FACTS AND TRUE. MLB should start have a consensus meeting with all voters coz it will be a embarrassing travesty if they don't even consider Shotime😀
He is gay... that's why he will not get equal pay.
The two analysts are both right, Ohtani is a player unlike any other. Yet the same Tom Verducci has been promoting Aaron Judge for MVP largely because he is surpassing the HR record in the AL. Stanton hit 59 in 2017. So is that HR accomplishment really that spectacular compared with the two-way excellence and MLB uniqueness of Ohtani?
It would be funny if later down the road Ohtani broke judges record this season. That'll be a heck of a storyline 😎
No but the baseball world isn't quite prepared for Shohei. He challenges people to think differently and the baseball world (e.g. "Moneyball") lives in nostalgia a lot of the time.
judge season in which he led the al in 10 offensive categories was much more dominate then stanton 59 home run season and it was not even close
Maybe because Judge has been better? The home run stat isn't and shouldn't be the determining factor, but Judge has other stats to back up his case
@@derekwang7330 If you read my original post, I made clear that I was criticizing the emphasis on HRs as well as pushing for the Ohtani two-way excellence that Judge can't compete with. Judge didn't win the triple crown, and too much obsession is on HRs. I like him and respect what he did, but I think Ohtani remains the supreme MLB talent and MVP.
When you love the game like shohei you can be anything you want
It'll be crazy... if 2021: strong batting, 2022: strong pitching, 2023: stronger both sides. 🤔
Ohtani talk if he is not satisfied with his 2022 season. So we can assume if 2023 is another record is comin
Ohtani is already strong on both sides. What you really mean is he will be at the top on both sides, and he will most likely be there next season.
@@Openwrt2023 He’s already top 5 pitcher and hitter right? Him being top 1-2 pitcher and hitter would make him a baseball god
@@DemonFox369 Ohtani is already the baseball god to me. He brought me back to baseball, and there are many millions of people like me.
@@DemonFox369 Let's not forget some anime moments Ohtani has brought us 🔥
2021 season- Hit a line drive so hard it went through a second baseman glove, AFTER HE CAUGHT IT 😆.
2022 season- Got struck out by a sinker that impressed him and in a very short period, he now has a devastating sinker himself. Does this man have a sharigan?!
Also catches ⚾️ bullets flying straight down the middle off the mound with quick reaction. I'm just waiting for him to take it to the next level and watch his hair turn blonde and spikey 😄 🤣
If they not going to give any award to this best baseball player just because he is not the best pitcher or the best hitter, it will be a shame in baseball history.
If Ohtani becomes better in pitching next year, he will win Cy Young. If Ohtani becomes better in batting next year, he will win Hank Aaron. And of course, Ohtani will be MVP. That's gonna be the most historic performance for sure.
Shohei Ohtani deserves all the attention he's getting, he's doing something no baseball player has ever done, forget Babe Ruth, he only played in an all Whites only league never faced the best Black players of his era, only pitched 1 year, wasn't anywhere near Ohtani's physical abilities. Once in a lifetime athlete is right, but American media loves building people up just to tear them down, we'll get non stop overload of Ohtani until people get sick of it then any little wrong thing he does will be amplified all in the name of clicks and views. That's how the game is played.
MLB needs awards for 2 way players.
Ohtani is the real MVP for the entire MBL.
Comissioner's Award
Aaron judge is a walking leg 🦵 tripping an running 🏃♂️ around the bases. Shohei ohtani is a talented a triple H double ⚔️ 🐠 who can bat, pitch, an hit home runs.end of story love Shohei!! Good luck next year aaron judge!!
Many biased fans act like Ohtani is a good pitcher and an average hitter, and is overhyped because he is a two-way player doing something haven't been done in 100+ years only because no one has been even attempting.
But the truth is that he is elite in both. Besides a combined WAR of 9.5, below are his stats this season:
Batting (AL)
4th in HR
8th in Run
7th in RBI
7th in walks
5th in SLG
5th in OPS
5th in Total Bases
*He also had an 18-game hitting streak that was the 3rd longest this year in AL.
Pitching (AL)
4th in ERA
4th in Wins
3rd in Ks
1st in K/9
In short, he is a top 5 hitter in AL, with a higher SLG, OPS, and HR total than Jose Ramirez or Vladimir Guerrero Jr., and at the same time, he is also a top 5 pitcher in AL, with a lower ERA than Shane McClanahan, Gerrit Cole, or Robbie Ray.
As some have mentioned, if you swap him and Judge, Ohtani would be the best pitcher AND the best hitter for the Yankees team. Think about how incredible and valuable he really is.
Surely, he probably won't win the MVP this season, as Judge also had a heck of a season. However, claiming that Ohtani is average in hitting this season just how you are totally biased and clueless.
People who claim Ohtani is an average hitter and pitcher are clueless. He is an elite pitcher and near elite hitter
Judge is MVP of Yankees, Ohtani is MVP of MLB
best presentation by MLB so far for Shotime. all they had to say unanimously together was that he is their 2022 AL MVP😀
NO CAP. i cant see this guy not being MVP. NO CAP
Ohtani for President!
アメリカの野球番組はほんと楽しそうだなぁ～。解説もすごく丁寧だ。
If he doesn’t win MVP this season, are there any awards he will win?
Comissioner's Award perhaps?
we need two way award at some point
you would need to trade 2 arron judges to get 1 shohei ohtani. he's the REAL mvp BY FAR. he's easily the best player to ever play ALREADY
By far? You're following baseball?
Love Ohtani shohei
Ohtani dominated Astros.
Astros dominated Judge.
“Breaking 104 year old record which even PED players could not break” is more impressive than “breaking 40 year old record if not counting PED athletes’ record”
love Ohtani
Absurd. This dude should be talked about like LeBron or Brady. Mlb has dropped the ball on this monster
How? He's the face of the majors right now, and he won MVP? They've been comparing him to Babe Ruth - arguably the most iconic name in baseball history - for the past 3 years.
The issue is that most of America doesn't watch baseball, and only cares about NBA or Football.
Don’t just talk about it then! Give Ohtani the MVP then..‼️talk…talk…
The media people are so enamored with HR. It’sso macho….flashy…we have had HR kings before.
Trout is a HR King this year too..he only played 120 games and have 40. If he played full he may be blasting 60+ too!! BUT JUDGE IS THE HR KING - THIS YEAR!! 2022. Thats it!
Heard some “analysts” say Judge is better baseball player than Trout⁉️
These Yankee people really know how to add on things not existing…
And you are so fixated on the home run stat that you don't even know that he is the leader in 11 of 12 batting categories by far
@@derekwang7330 Shohei creates new categories in MLB. Not existing ones. There are stats for hitting and pitching but not for combined. Its like all speak either german or french. While Ohtani speaks both.
@@mirikaku5811 WAR, WPA, cWPA, adjusted batting/pitching wins, adjusted batting/pitching runs, etc. They all point toward Judge
real mvp！！！
Did he say 'probably won't' ? When talking about Sho's MVP chances? If Judge gets MVP it's not based on merit. Sure Judge has had a great season (and seems like a class act), but Sho's season is demonstrably better, it's not even close.
If Judge wins MVP, this will be one of the greatest voting mistake ever. “WAR” is playing in Judge’s favor simply the fact that it never anticipated someone could be so good on both batting and pitching.
Judge is +28HRs, +36RBI, +43runs, +17hits more than Ohtani....but....15-9, 2.35era, 219Ks > 28hr, 36rbi, 43runs, 17hits......IMO Showtime MVP!
MVP!!!
Best player in the game.
Is this really the record of one baseball player in the same season?
I'm probably paralyzed, so I just want to make sure I'm not mistaken, but you really think Judge is having a more historic season than Ohtani, right?
Shohei Ohtani
・BATTER ・PITCHER
AB：586 G：28
AVG：.273 W-L：15-9
HR：34 ERA：2.33
RBI：95 IP：166.0
SB：11 SO：219
OPS：.875 WHIP：1.01
Aaron Judge
・BATTER ・FIELDER
AB：570 G：157
AVG：.311 INN：374.2
HR：62 OPP：275
RBI：131 PO：272
SB：16 A：6
OPS：1.111 FPCT：1.000
unbelievable😂unicorn🦄
Judge can place his MVP between his platinum sombreros
MVP！MVP！！
Judge is amazing and yes he will win MVP but he is not as valuable as Ohtani. People take two way for granted but name one player that can be a cy candidate and top 5 hitter at the same time. In 5 to 10 years, people will realize how special Ohtani was this season but now we can all live the moment of 62HR.
Disagree. He is more talented than Judge but hasn't been more valuable this year
You'er right !
If Judge wins it he and MLB will be ridiculed in the future for decades by rational people who look back and realize how ridiculously good Ohtani was this season.
@@onlydbrasko And Judge has been so great yet you downplay it
@@derekwang7330 Disagree big time! I think Othani is more valuable.
History in real time ⚾
Best season in MLB ever but still won't win the mvp, what a joke
MBL is more like politics than actual game itself.
Maybe most impressive but not most valuable this year
MLB is all about American and white players. American want white players to win it fist before non white or American
Try overhyping Ohtani and realise you’re not doing that enough. This young man is that good.
Plot of most "analysts" : "Yeah Ohtani is GREAT, he is the UNICORN, he did things we have never seen in like "EVER", he is making history, he is yadee yadaa.
But he doesn't deserve the MVP because other 20+ teammates suck (except Mike Trout, of course) so the team could not reach playoff."
Sports don't understand the meaning of MVP anymore.
As much as everyone loves him now, I don't think he will be truly appreciated until we have some historical context and we see more people try to do what he did and fail. We'll probably consider Ohtani the GOAT of baseball in 50 years.
Best athlete since MJ and usian bolt
I wonder what’s his vision for next season
3割30HR100打点
防御率2点台200奪三振15勝
Probably
.300 BA, 40HR, 100RBI, 20SB
20 Wins and 225K
@@onlydbrasko NICE👍are you from?
2 of the best players in MLB and Angels can't manage a winning record. I feel bad for Angels fans.
I don't know if it's MVP or what, but if you like HR, HR, HR so much, you should quit baseball and play HR If you like HR so much, you should quit baseball and play HR derby every month. You should get in shape and train for the monthly tournament and compete for batting average and distance. I think that would be fun. Why do you think baseball is played every day? Because it is a comprehensive sport that involves hitting, baserunning, defense, and pitching, and the physical burden on the individual is lower than in soccer, for example. I think we've reached a point where we can't properly evaluate Shohei without rethinking baseball from scratch. If that's nasty, lazy, conservative people don't like him, then that's troublesome.
I cannot imagine even trying to throw that many sliders in one outing. Sheesh!
Sheesh. Ohtani is nuts
Say what you want. Breaking the HR record and being 1st on most of the hitting stats, yes, it is GREAT. Judge had a remarkable season. But Is this the FIRST time we have ever seen people like that? No. There had been a lot of great hitters in our days.
Now Ohtani. Has there anyone like him before? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And people treat him like we've seen him before. "Ah average at both, not worth. Focus on one thing." Are you out of your mind? All these people saying he is not that great, clearly have never played a baseball and don't know what it takes to be an elite player on both side.
Not only is Othani a great player. Perhaps the most unique two way player we have seen in baseball since Babe Ruth. He is a great person to. I met him at the All Star game in July during on field workouts. I didn't get his autograph but I took a pic with him and he was just nice. Great guy.
I'm jealous!
Only major U.S. sport where playing both offense and defense isn't a two way player even though they all do both in MLB. See this all the time in young leagues. Hand him MVP Award every year rest of his career. Tune in for World Series! Then we'll have something we don't know outcome of and tune into.
Crazy no one talking bout Ohtani like they do with Michael Jordan
This was the kind of player Rick Ankiel was supposed to be before he got the yips, and couldn't find the plate. Then, he got talked into becoming an outfielder to focus just on his bat, but you have to wonder if he never gets the yips how good he would have been as a pitcher/hitter.
Too little too late. Ohtani was the 1st player in history to qualify as batter and pitcher yesterday and MLB didn't deem this worthy of a highlight....what the actual f-ck.
I wonder if he'd be open to going to Seattle. If the Mariners have room for him of course.
Hell nah he is not going there no way jose
Shohei should win back to back MVPs but Aaron Judge will win it deservingly! Next season if Judge doesn't break his own HR record and Shohei does the same he did this year, he will win MVP for sure.
I think the only way he shouldn't be MVP is if his pitching numbers were worse than last year but they're somehow even better...
I want you analysts to note a change in his pitching mechanics and I don't know why he does it. As part of his windup, when he lifts his left knee high, he's nearly un hittable. When he doesn't he looks fatigued and appears to be trying to steer the ball.
If there is a football playing both ways at a pro bowl level
Or a all star hockey player playing both goalie and center etc etc
I'm going to eat that up and watch
I'm watching Ohtani not only so I can tell the grandkids what I saw
But because I don't believe he will last long doing it sooner or later he will break down
Where are you most likely to get hurt? On the mound and at the plate
In a MLB where they are now cracking down on pitchers and foreign substances. I expect 60 homeruns to be a common occurrence
I don't expect another Ohtani
Why would anyone take a paycut, risk injury and not be recognized for it
Shohei Ohtani equal Proud of Japan
Ohtani is doing the work of two pitchers and two hitters in the All-Star Game all by himself.
Judge is, at most, one and a half.
If he is great as a hitter, then Major League Baseball is at fault, not making awards for hitters.
The MVP, as the name implies, is an award for the most outstanding player, not for Hank Aaron.
Ohtani gets the Cy Young and the MVP, and Judge gets the newly created award for hitters.
This is the correct reality.
Baseball is so screwed up, if the Angels had a better record and was going into the playoffs. There would be no doubt he is the MVP of the season, but we look at HRs / Batting Average + wins into the post season and not what ShoTime is doing, changing the game as a two way SKILLED player. Unicorn indeed🦄 … props to Judge & the Yankees , but they need to share this award
日本語版が欲しいです。
Shohei is KRYPTONITE to the MONSTER Astros!!!!
😳😮🤯
September 10 ➡️ 1 ER
September 3 ➡️ 1 ER
July 13 ➡️ 1 ER
April 20 ➡️ 0 ER
April 7 ➡️ 1 ER
15 win=35homers
35+34=69homers
69homers > 62homers
Even though he may stay in the Angels, I'm just glad they're finally paying him his worth next year. Well deserved Shohei
He is the history. We can realize what he did 100 years later.
Why do they think Ohtani will not get MVP? American media is biased and wrong.
Because the betting odds are -15000 in Judge's favor
They don't think Ohtani is MVP because they know how biased the American MVP voters are.
And the MLB campaign to secure the MVP for Ohtani moves to the off season. Good job MLB. Good job voters! Only if you had a hit piece on Judge, right? Forget that Ohtani's team tanked and Judge put the team on his back after the All-Star break, took them to the play-offs, broke the AL home run record, nearly secured a triple crown. Oh no no no!! Anything to ram it down anything NY Sport fans throat. We know you hate us and this dollars down that fact. Fully expect this comment to hit the dust been b/c - - - integrity, right?
Next season will be a FRENZY, they can't keep Ohtani, Trout, and Rendon
15wins and 34HR
Crazy that he’s a top 10 hitter and top 5 pitcher in the AL and probably won’t win the MVP
Judge: 62HR 131RBI 133R Shohei: 34HR 95RBI 90R
Now, compare Judge to Shohei as 2 players
Player 1: Shohei 34HR 95RBI 90R
Player 1: Judge 34HR 95RBI 90R
Player 2: Judge (62-34) = 28HR (131-95) = 36RBI (133-90) = 43R Outfielder
Player 2: Shohei 4th ERA = 2.33 4th Wins = 15 3rd K = 219 1st K/9 = 11.9 Pitcher
Both Player 1 being equal, pick who is the better Player 2?
If I really tried, I'm confident I can play just as good as Ohtani, if not better in MLB...
Ohtani,proud of Japanese,no concern which get MVP or not.