Canelo Alvarez literally does exactly what the guy is saying not to do. Also Dillon Danis has 0 boxing experience, never punched a guy in a fight ever in his life and went all rounds with Logan without taking any proper clean shots. if you want to learn how to fight, you do what Dillon Danis did becaus it fucking sparked. AND ofcourse, you do what Canelo does.
@@WholesaleJewelleryAustralia Yeah, what casuals and beginners need to understand is that there isn't any one way of doing things, once you're skilled enough you can adopt different styles from these textbook fundamentals. For instance, some high level boxers will not really use a guard at all, rely more on countering, and keep their hands so you can't see their jabs.
@@WholesaleJewelleryAustraliathe average boxer is not canelo alvarez and doesn’t have his head movement, if you guard like canelo you’ll get yourself hurt
You mean versicle fist? It's good in all positions and is the more natural and structurally sound punch, especially you connect with bottom 3(or middle 2) knuckles if you are doing bare knuckle. Yes, I went there. Lol. But this trainer seems legit so I am curious on his opinion also since most "pure" boxers or karate guys would be raging just reading this.
@ex0duzz Maybe. I don't know what a versicle fist is, so I can't answer that for you. Also, I only punch with the top two knuckles. If your opponent is any good and is moving around a lot, you could break your pinky as it has no thumb support.
@@kishfoo sorry, vertical fist. Basically just a "normal" non twist punch as you put it. Your arms and hand position is normally in that position to begin with so it should be both faster and less telegraphed to throw, and also to retract and "rechamber" if you're just doing pure boxing. But personally I train for just self defense purposes and I would probably just continue in and keep flowing into a attack once I have "bridged the gap" using a jab and not step back or stay on the outside. For self defense, you usually want to be the one attacking and never stop or give them any chance to attack to begin with. Because if I can stay on the outside and do repeated jabs, that means im not serious enough in my intentions to fight and finish the other dude/s off asap with least risk and I can just avoid the fight to begin with which also includes running away if verbal de-escalation doesn't work. As for breaking the pinky, if your opponent is good and moving around enough to make you hit incorrectly, you could/would still break your pinky or any other knuckles just as easily using the top 2 knuckles, no? Personally I find that horizontal fist and using the top 2 knuckles makes it much easier to land incorrectly(and damage your wrist too), especially when throwing hooks. You can easily land with just the corner of your index finger knuckle. That's why I never throw full power horizontal hooks using top 2 knuckles on a bag, let alone someone's skull. Imo the wrist alignment is the main issue, since imo it's not structurally sound. Try doing knuckle pushups with the different knuckles and with both horizontal and vertical fist positions. It should feel much more structurally sound with vertical and bottom 2/3 knuckles and less pressure on the wrist.
A good way to practice this is to lean against a wall on your left, and throw jabs. If you flare your elbow, you will be able to easily notice and correct it
He was right. You need to find your ideal punching method. He can only give you basic frame, not full set. Figure it out, you're a fighter it's an active position, think.
Unfortunately Muay Thai despite being amazing especially the Elbows, Kicks and Clinchwork is kinda lacking in the Boxing department. In fact Muay Thai had to incorporate Western Boxing. Muay Thai is a branch of Muay Boran and is not that old. Muay Boran which includes several different styles DOESN'T have boxing.
As stupid as this is going to sound. I actually used to practise throwing jabs in the mirror to pick up on the telegraphs that I was giving people. I never even realised how bad I was flaring my elbows or picked up on the fact that I was dropping my hand after throwing each jab. It might be silly but maybe it will help somebody else if they're trying to practise too😅
I accidentally learned how to do this playing around and watching mma I noticed volk does this after throwing his jab and wondered what if I cover my face while jabbing and it works fairly well at stopping you from getting countered
Good points i had some of that problem with turning my wrist in the past but been doing it better so far now. Also for some reason your voice sounds alot like James Franco.
@@tristargymwestcoast yeah just noticed it now. Where on the west coast are you guys based out of if you don’t mind me asking? I am in Cali so was kinds curious.
It's possible even after a couple years I still do this when I get tired. Im always working on my jab. My cross. Combos are great, but sometimes I'll just throw the jab in sparring. Well, I get excited and counter as much at possible, but I'm working on it
Practice and good training teaches this. He is absolutely right. With the elbows down it is harder to see it coming. I mean you can flick it out from other angles but dont hold your hand arm like stricklsnd. See you soon tristar
Jack Dempsey calls that an Impure Punch. It has more Power but you'll give yourself Tendonitis aka Tennis Elbow. Ramsey Dewey made an excellent video demonstrating it.
A jab without an elbow flare is a lighter jab. I like to flare my elbow sometimes, much more power, also to me feels much more natural, I have very wide shoulders and am a heavyweight. Works better for me.
@@tristargymwestcoastTell Jack Dempsey he doesn't know how to Punch. Yes, you should primarily be throwing Pure Punches, but sometimes using Impure Punches is a good idea because it adds more Power.
Every situation is different and if you really want to get good at something like this you're going to have to have some sparring partners and do it thousands of times and then see if you can still do it after they connect with a few
I guess this works in the sport of boxing and probably in a fist fight but know that when it comes down to it what's someone quick or with someone tall and big boned or with someone in a rage just remember every situation is different
It's all in the hips. Even if you don't put much power into the jab, as long as you correctly rotate the hip, the power transferred would be quite substantial.
Manny paq Iran Barkley Larry Holmes would flare the elbow although the jab was more Flicky not to stick it also Tommy hearns even Ali too it’s jus a variation of a jab if you do it correctly it can be a very good jab
That's a jab with a catch and a step, I know this sounds like pointless nitpicking but that isn't a fundamentally perfect jab in of itself , that's layering three different techniques. It's a damn good method of safely covering the distance but a jab is a jab, if you don't have clean mechanics what's the point? I reckon saying this is how to safely cross the distance and land a jab would be more productive. If you catch with every jab you'll get timed with round shots. If you step with every jab a timed cross or straight will fuck your shit up and break through the catch, let alone a rear uppercut. There's no perfect solution to any one question in boxing. only more optimal solutions accounting for circumstance.
And the third reason but does not count when talking boxer vs boxer. If you are fighting anyone who can kick. That elbow up us basically telling please smash my ribs, livers or kidneys with a roundhouse kick
Love how everyone disagreed with this guy but he keeps making videos! Is he really wrong and just “trolling” people/himself since almost everyone disagrees with him? Or is he right? What is his background? I did a little boxing so I see why there are some disagreements about him. Most recently about how to throw a hook and people were mentioning a “drop” hook . A hook that goes over your nose when you throw it! What’s going on here can someone explain to me specifically with this man? Is he even a boxer?
I boxed professionally but mainly fought mma. I competed as a pro for 18 years and now own and teach out of Tristar Gym West Coast where I have a squad of professional and amateur fighters. People disagree with me because there are many ways to do almost every technique. Most people though don’t actually think about why their way is right or wrong, they just regurgitate the same things that their coaches told them. I have spent many years testing and retesting all these techniques so I believe I understand which ways are most beneficial.
The funny thing is you’re not practicing what you preach. The step by step example was fine but when you decided to go full speed, your elbow was flaring about half that of the “poor form” example. I remember your short trying to teach people how to throw a hook, citing knuckles up was incorrect. You might have every intention of helping people, but your technique, and justification specifically for the hook, is awful. You need to understand people will see the Tristar gym account and think they’re getting world class advice, but they’re being fooled if they buy into what you’re teaching.
his way isn't wrong but the first way isn't either. his way of throwing can easily get countered by a left hook. So is it wrong? no. time and place for every technique.
Way harder to counter with hook as jab is longer. You would have to slip to the pinky side of the jab while throwing hook at the same time in order to exploit it. Not impossible but a harder counter than to just jab at the same time.
@@tristargymwestcoast slip inside then lead hook, simultaneous slip outside lead hook, check hook (with lead leg stepping out) when jabber steps in with jab, feint to bait jab/stepout and back in with long lead hook.. It's only harder to land the hook if forward and backwards movements are the only way that someone knows how to strike. Your jab isn't wrong but i don't agree with the claim that the first one is. you can be defensively responsible with the first one too by hiding behind the jab and bending at the waist. ONLY using the first one would be wrong, that is something that I would definitely agree with
Who says I failed? Also why wouldn’t fighters coach after retiring from competition? Would you rather have a coach that never fought? I don’t get ur thought process.
Guess who jabs how he’s saying not to…. Tyson fucking Fury. Throw your jab however you feel comfortable. There’s fighters that don’t even turn their punches anymore, do what feels right to you and protect yourself.
Dillon Danis needs to listen to this guy
Canelo Alvarez literally does exactly what the guy is saying not to do.
Also Dillon Danis has 0 boxing experience, never punched a guy in a fight ever in his life and went all rounds with Logan without taking any proper clean shots.
if you want to learn how to fight, you do what Dillon Danis did becaus it fucking sparked. AND ofcourse, you do what Canelo does.
@@WholesaleJewelleryAustralia Yeah, what casuals and beginners need to understand is that there isn't any one way of doing things, once you're skilled enough you can adopt different styles from these textbook fundamentals. For instance, some high level boxers will not really use a guard at all, rely more on countering, and keep their hands so you can't see their jabs.
@@WholesaleJewelleryAustraliathe average boxer is not canelo alvarez and doesn’t have his head movement, if you guard like canelo you’ll get yourself hurt
Had to learn this the hard way in sparring
Bro that is really good information 👍 like three months of training in one 1 minute video 😂 brilliant 💪
Boxing 101 don’t flare the elbows
how do you throw a hook without flaring the elbows?
If you flare your elbow at the end of a straight punch it becomes a hook
@@jougetsuit only applies to straight punches.
This is 100% accurate.
Nice! Non-wrist twist jab is also good when your opponent is taller than you.
Yup I use that from centreline all the time
You mean versicle fist? It's good in all positions and is the more natural and structurally sound punch, especially you connect with bottom 3(or middle 2) knuckles if you are doing bare knuckle.
Yes, I went there. Lol. But this trainer seems legit so I am curious on his opinion also since most "pure" boxers or karate guys would be raging just reading this.
@ex0duzz Maybe. I don't know what a versicle fist is, so I can't answer that for you. Also, I only punch with the top two knuckles. If your opponent is any good and is moving around a lot, you could break your pinky as it has no thumb support.
@@kishfoo sorry, vertical fist. Basically just a "normal" non twist punch as you put it. Your arms and hand position is normally in that position to begin with so it should be both faster and less telegraphed to throw, and also to retract and "rechamber" if you're just doing pure boxing. But personally I train for just self defense purposes and I would probably just continue in and keep flowing into a attack once I have "bridged the gap" using a jab and not step back or stay on the outside. For self defense, you usually want to be the one attacking and never stop or give them any chance to attack to begin with. Because if I can stay on the outside and do repeated jabs, that means im not serious enough in my intentions to fight and finish the other dude/s off asap with least risk and I can just avoid the fight to begin with which also includes running away if verbal de-escalation doesn't work.
As for breaking the pinky, if your opponent is good and moving around enough to make you hit incorrectly, you could/would still break your pinky or any other knuckles just as easily using the top 2 knuckles, no?
Personally I find that horizontal fist and using the top 2 knuckles makes it much easier to land incorrectly(and damage your wrist too), especially when throwing hooks. You can easily land with just the corner of your index finger knuckle. That's why I never throw full power horizontal hooks using top 2 knuckles on a bag, let alone someone's skull.
Imo the wrist alignment is the main issue, since imo it's not structurally sound. Try doing knuckle pushups with the different knuckles and with both horizontal and vertical fist positions. It should feel much more structurally sound with vertical and bottom 2/3 knuckles and less pressure on the wrist.
@ex0duzz Yup, but it's not really the pinky nuckle that'll break. It's when you accidentally contact using the next knuckle closer to your nail.
My first time seeing those gloves 🤣
A good way to practice this is to lean against a wall on your left, and throw jabs. If you flare your elbow, you will be able to easily notice and correct it
Yup I make people do exactly that
@@tristargymwestcoast nice. I spent a good time on Wednesday working on exactly that
I can throw it without wall thing because i'm not a toddler.
@@silviuvisan505wow nice job you want a cookie or sum?
@@silviuvisan505wow! I’m so proud of you!
great advise!!!
Tell that to Muhammad Ali
😂😂 I thought the same thing! But he did everything unorthodox, and he could because he’s the GOAT
he’s too fast for his opponents even with some telegraph
That’s Called a “flicker jab”, and it’s a time in a place for it.
I took Muay Thai long time ago and my idiot instructor never taught us anything simple like this.
To be fair they don’t always teach the best form when it comes to punches
Preach
He was right. You need to find your ideal punching method. He can only give you basic frame, not full set.
Figure it out, you're a fighter it's an active position, think.
Wow!! Sorry, he did you dirty.
Unfortunately Muay Thai despite being amazing especially the Elbows, Kicks and Clinchwork is kinda lacking in the Boxing department. In fact Muay Thai had to incorporate Western Boxing. Muay Thai is a branch of Muay Boran and is not that old. Muay Boran which includes several different styles DOESN'T have boxing.
Dustin Poirier is furious watching this
Dustin is a southpaw. They suck at jabbing anyway cus jab sucks from open stance.
Your advice is simple and precise keep preaching
As stupid as this is going to sound. I actually used to practise throwing jabs in the mirror to pick up on the telegraphs that I was giving people. I never even realised how bad I was flaring my elbows or picked up on the fact that I was dropping my hand after throwing each jab.
It might be silly but maybe it will help somebody else if they're trying to practise too😅
That's a good idea
I thought that was the basics for boxing
Explain that to Larry Holmes…
I accidentally learned how to do this playing around and watching mma I noticed volk does this after throwing his jab and wondered what if I cover my face while jabbing and it works fairly well at stopping you from getting countered
Wow you're a genius, you discovered high guard
You can tell Kajan has trained with GSP, thats a Georges style jab with the back hand placement
Thank you 🙏🏿
uppercut comin 💀💀
Uppercut is not reaching a well distanced jab, a face catch is covering a long uppercut.
Not using your tricep for punching is impossible
Don’t be so literal, dude
what a good advice!. would love to hear more from you
I'm going to use this tomorrow during sparring
Good points i had some of that problem with turning my wrist in the past but been doing it better so far now. Also for some reason your voice sounds alot like James Franco.
Just listened to him after reading this and your right he does sound a little like me.
@@tristargymwestcoast yeah just noticed it now. Where on the west coast are you guys based out of if you don’t mind me asking? I am in Cali so was kinds curious.
Quality instruction combined with great camera work to illustrate the point so it is immediately understood.!
Larry Holmes threw a multiplicity of jabs!!! Some were quick and snappy. Some were more linear and powerful!!!
Don't tell me you're coming is something my girlfriend says
Meanwhile ali
Since when the hell did people actually jab like that? Are you asking for a punch to the face?!
Oss Professor
You use the triceps either way you do the jab...One is just more efficient and harder to see than the other.
I thought i was being pedantic thinking the same thing lmao
It's possible even after a couple years I still do this when I get tired. Im always working on my jab. My cross. Combos are great, but sometimes I'll just throw the jab in sparring. Well, I get excited and counter as much at possible, but I'm working on it
Practice and good training teaches this. He is absolutely right. With the elbows down it is harder to see it coming. I mean you can flick it out from other angles but dont hold your hand arm like stricklsnd. See you soon tristar
Jack Dempsey calls that an Impure Punch. It has more Power but you'll give yourself Tendonitis aka Tennis Elbow.
Ramsey Dewey made an excellent video demonstrating it.
This is day one boxing shit
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what muscle do you focus on pushing out with when you do this? elbow shoulder triceps?
Sean Strickland does it ❤
Ya once you are elite you can break rules
Good for beginners but advanced fighters should throw the "triceps" jab and can use it wery well.Look at larry holmes (one of best jabbers ever)
Yes once you are really good almost all the rules can be bent.
A jab without an elbow flare is a lighter jab. I like to flare my elbow sometimes, much more power, also to me feels much more natural, I have very wide shoulders and am a heavyweight. Works better for me.
Your jab is still flaring in the good jab example...
Not sure what ur looking at man
Ones faster, ones stronger. flaring your elbow isn't wrong
Ok go do it at a high level then
@tristargymwestcoast thanks for the nod man, ill give them the 1A then the 1B
@@tristargymwestcoastTell Jack Dempsey he doesn't know how to Punch.
Yes, you should primarily be throwing Pure Punches, but sometimes using Impure Punches is a good idea because it adds more Power.
@@tristargymwestcoastlomachenko actaully does it quite a bit, you do know in boxing that there is different types of jabs right?
@@Jordanpdf47tommy hearns does it aswell, its basically a flicker jab
Beautiful
It's a wing chun punch if you don't turn it and the power comes from shifting the hips.
Thanks
When you extend your elbow actively, you’re using your triceps.
Btw good info
I like what you're saying it's right on
Chicken wing means we eating!!!
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@@tristargymwestcoast quickest lesson I've ever learned
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Nate diaz should learn this 😂
Doesn’t he have a boxing background? At least that’s what he always says!
@@emanueletorregrossa4218 well I think he had a slapping background.
Who’s he talking to throwing jabs like that, people on their first day?! Cmon this guy needs to stop.
Yeah, he sounds overly concerned and kinda condescending.
go stop him and prove him wrong at his gym bro, too easy to sitting down and typing
Every situation is different and if you really want to get good at something like this you're going to have to have some sparring partners and do it thousands of times and then see if you can still do it after they connect with a few
Can totally see the telegraphing
I guess this works in the sport of boxing and probably in a fist fight but know that when it comes down to it what's someone quick or with someone tall and big boned or with someone in a rage just remember every situation is different
Respect 🙏
The herpe king
It's all in the hips. Even if you don't put much power into the jab, as long as you correctly rotate the hip, the power transferred would be quite substantial.
amazing! thx
Great video, but if it is a flicker jab coming from a pphly shell stance how wouls you trhow it? Blessings from peru
Turn the hip!!!!!
Worthy ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏
How I teach it also 👍 always gotta consider what your guard hand is doing while you strike
Manny paq Iran Barkley Larry Holmes would flare the elbow although the jab was more Flicky not to stick it also Tommy hearns even Ali too it’s jus a variation of a jab if you do it correctly it can be a very good jab
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Perfect? His elbow comes out too and he doesn't use his shoulder.
By fully corkscrewing your job, you don't need the other hand on that side of the face. You're already protecting it with your shoulder
Then your wide open for a left hook
You can't be serious
Should we move our hip and take our step ahead too?
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That's a jab with a catch and a step, I know this sounds like pointless nitpicking but that isn't a fundamentally perfect jab in of itself , that's layering three different techniques.
It's a damn good method of safely covering the distance but a jab is a jab, if you don't have clean mechanics what's the point?
I reckon saying this is how to safely cross the distance and land a jab would be more productive.
If you catch with every jab you'll get timed with round shots.
If you step with every jab a timed cross or straight will fuck your shit up and break through the catch, let alone a rear uppercut.
There's no perfect solution to any one question in boxing.
only more optimal solutions accounting for circumstance.
I wouldn't use my blocking hand right in front of my face.
Then you’d eat the jab when you’re throwing one.
And the third reason but does not count when talking boxer vs boxer. If you are fighting anyone who can kick. That elbow up us basically telling please smash my ribs, livers or kidneys with a roundhouse kick
Love how everyone disagreed with this guy but he keeps making videos! Is he really wrong and just “trolling” people/himself since almost everyone disagrees with him? Or is he right?
What is his background? I did a little boxing so I see why there are some disagreements about him. Most recently about how to throw a hook and people were mentioning a “drop” hook . A hook that goes over your nose when you throw it!
What’s going on here can someone explain to me specifically with this man? Is he even a boxer?
I boxed professionally but mainly fought mma. I competed as a pro for 18 years and now own and teach out of Tristar Gym West Coast where I have a squad of professional and amateur fighters. People disagree with me because there are many ways to do almost every technique. Most people though don’t actually think about why their way is right or wrong, they just regurgitate the same things that their coaches told them. I have spent many years testing and retesting all these techniques so I believe I understand which ways are most beneficial.
The funny thing is you’re not practicing what you preach. The step by step example was fine but when you decided to go full speed, your elbow was flaring about half that of the “poor form” example.
I remember your short trying to teach people how to throw a hook, citing knuckles up was incorrect. You might have every intention of helping people, but your technique, and justification specifically for the hook, is awful. You need to understand people will see the Tristar gym account and think they’re getting world class advice, but they’re being fooled if they buy into what you’re teaching.
Lol if you think my tech is so bad come down to the gym and prove it. 7759 Edmonds St. Burnaby.
his way isn't wrong but the first way isn't either. his way of throwing can easily get countered by a left hook. So is it wrong? no. time and place for every technique.
Way harder to counter with hook as jab is longer. You would have to slip to the pinky side of the jab while throwing hook at the same time in order to exploit it. Not impossible but a harder counter than to just jab at the same time.
@@tristargymwestcoast slip inside then lead hook, simultaneous slip outside lead hook, check hook (with lead leg stepping out) when jabber steps in with jab, feint to bait jab/stepout and back in with long lead hook.. It's only harder to land the hook if forward and backwards movements are the only way that someone knows how to strike. Your jab isn't wrong but i don't agree with the claim that the first one is. you can be defensively responsible with the first one too by hiding behind the jab and bending at the waist. ONLY using the first one would be wrong, that is something that I would definitely agree with
Those who throw jabs like that are amateurs period. Someone who know how to box never will throw a jab like that.
I seen pro boxers do all
Thank you, ive been hitting a relfex ball and was punching the way you said not to punch. Ill keep that in mind. 🙏🏽
no hip so an arm jab
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Will it work on Alex Perera 😂
Everyone can be jabbed
Why do failed mma fighters always go to coachin ?
Who says I failed? Also why wouldn’t fighters coach after retiring from competition? Would you rather have a coach that never fought? I don’t get ur thought process.
@@tristargymwestcoast just rather get taught by a former champion than someone who didnt really accomplish much in the sport.
Take care now, bye bye then
@@tristargymwestcoast i just b trollin dawg your a great athlete who has done more in the sport than 99% of athletes will ever accomplish
What if I only do that if I’m slipping punches as a counter then is it ok cause I get away with it
amazing
Check left hook dropped you
Love it
Guess who jabs how he’s saying not to…. Tyson fucking Fury. Throw your jab however you feel comfortable. There’s fighters that don’t even turn their punches anymore, do what feels right to you and protect yourself.
Ya but you’ll have more success the skinnier it is.
Thanks