I can understand why his editor said he wasn't good enough to do draw something like berserk: His character's anatomy is completely wrong and that makes his humans really stiff and lifeless both in term of acting and moving. For someone graduated from a manga school, his work is still very amateur. I'm french and I can garantee that this kind of work, even if good enough for US comics, won't have a chance to be professionaly published in my country. Plus, his attitude toward his teachers makes him enable to improve his technique because he doesn't accept any critics about his art, so he doesn't want to learn the mainstream style 'cause he only love berserk etc... and he doesn't want to do what his teachers told him in order to improve his art style, he's ok for some minor changes but doesn't want to use tone as it's cheating and HE is a real artist ( his view of the full moon rendered by cross hatching is pretty amateur, this is everything but a rendering ) etc... With his attitude, he certainly won't make his place as a mangaka. Maybe he'll get some fame, back to the USA with his background story as atrainee in a real japanese manga school but he will never do manga, only mixed american manga.
Ouch...that was brutal. And I agree with you It's the ego of Fine Art major who thinks that he knows better and disregarding feedback from JP editors. Editors are not there to stroke the ego of the artist, but to make sure that art tells the story effectively to all readers, not just selected few. When artists of Vagabond and Berserk started out, their art weren't that super great. However they made sure that their art tells the story beautifully. Over the decades, their art improved gradually and thus became their established "style". He should've continue improving by learning every trick that industry offers rather than trying to push his style from the start. If he's stubborn about being like Berserk, then go ahead and try churning out highly detailed art on weekly or monthly basis without assistant's help. Trust me, he won't last.
@@Reanimator999 You said it all. Disciple has to bend over in order to learn from the master. What's the point to go so far away to get an education you finaly disregard as non relevant ?
Thank you very much for this. I have been considering attending manga school one day to improve my art (it has quite a few flaws in anatomy and skill). So it is really cool to hear how he discusses shapes vs lines in style and how they tried to persuade him to change his art style to the more popular Japanese art styles. I find it really interesting how Wolf is inspired by Kento Miura as he was also a fine art student ^^
Honestly I love seeing different styles for the same genre Like imagine the realism of berserk for a romance manga You could catch little details in facial features to convey expression and the feelings of characters Or a goofy style for a battle manga like One Piece Honestly if anyone here is in manga school I'd love to see you have a go at doing this Who knows you could make something that becomes a big hit Sure itll be different and possibly looked down on but you never know until you try
This confirms what I've always though but could never really find evidence for. Japan learns art differently, and its that difference that makes it easy to spot the origin of animesque art as western even from highly skilled artists, meanwhile even japanese artists with distinct and unique styles still feel authentically japanese. I always see lineart in japanese drawing, and pretty much all of the best artists can draw beautifully just with lines. And its why I also want to mainly focus on lines aswell, it impresses me the most when pure lines make a finished drawing. Thank you DokiDoki, for this unique interview.
Let me tell you something: the kanji and even word for "drawing" and for "stroke", is THE SAME ONE. And this is why I find Gekiga being so special: Gekiga is not about "dramatic drawings" IS ABOUT FUCKING DRAMATIC LINES! I kinda knew it, that Gekiga is Manga elevated to infinitum, where every single stroke, is important. BUT THIS CONFIRMS IT!
They just take art more seriously in eastern countries, any south korean or japanese artist can easily destroy any modern western artist. That's all it is. Western countries just scam unsuspecting students with garbage tier art courses. Japanese students also have the benefit of having to practice with a brush to write their vocabulary from my understanding.
I understand the fact that he used to be a fine art student, however, things may be different for a mangaka. There are certain ways that mangakas do that might seem weird for the other artists from various places around world like the usage of tones. I don't think it's considered as cheating since they are making a manga which is not an easy task to do based on its weekly releases. So it's actually weird for me to hear him say that he doesn't really follow the given instructions from the editors. It's a great way to learn even though it sounds or feel harsh since you have to adjust to something that you don't really like. And I think he needs to improve on his anatomy or perspective since it gives off a weird and stiff look.
I went to manga school once in Japan. I drow manga 8 pages and I showed my manga to editor in my school event. He said a lot of bad things…. My manga is good about drowning views but how to divide manga bages are too simple. But I understood what he said. The people who went to the art university got good reviews from editors. My school teacher said if you have interesting life stories, you can write good mangas. I think what is important things to drow mangas is what experience did you have in your life.
I find it weird how he tries to attribute people not liking his art with the style. His later drawings are fine, but they clearly lack the basic fundamentals. You can’t focus on stylizing your work without having an understanding on something like that. It’s actually part of the reason art schools don’t like anime art. It’s clear sometimes that an artist is trying to incorporate someone else’s work, despite the fact that in order to do that work, even their role model had to learn the basics. Again, not saying the guy’s art is bad per se, but he definitely needs more work done and not just the artstyle.
Dude, if a Japanese Mangaka starts an online school in English or even in Japanese, he/she will become a multimillionaire in no time. The art has gone viral in the west recently. Not to mention China.
I've been looking for an online manga school/tutor for years. Can you help me find one please? I have been trying to learn the Japanese language too so I can understand a Japanese Mangaka. For the record, I have considered moving to Japan and going to college there. But I'm my only financial support and cannot afford immigrating to a new country to study in a field that is notorious for low pay. I've seen genius Anime artists living in a single room in a charity housing building (they were lucky to have found that BTW). My plan is to keep working at my boring job and learn Manga in my spare time. This would give meaning to my life while I won't be risking literally everything by immigrating.
I wonder how it was to get into that school, was it difficult to get in? What kind of portfolio were they expecting, is that similar to art schools in the states? And also if that school was expensive as school in Japan can be very expensive. Also, how long was the program? Just those basics as an introduction would have been great, but it was very interesting anyway ^^
These topics can get pretty info heavy very quickly so we made sure the topic was as specific as possible before the shoot. Definitely happy to have Wolf back for more topics in the future!
You didn't need a particularly high level portfolio, but I did need to pass a Japanese language test. So Japanese ability rather than artistic ability is probably the main issue. Price wise it was about 3 million yen for 3 years of school. So about 30k in USD (10k per year). I've also seen 2 year schools for 15k per year.
I didn’t go to a manga school in Japan, But I went to a class where they taught you how to draw manga. They kept telling me to draw Neon Genesis Evangelion characters 😭😭
the part of having a large following, I'd say Pipachou and Radient comes to mind though both have more modern style. honestly, Its kinda sad just how insular a lot the styles have become. Its like style=genere so just looking at the art will tell you what type of story it is. Honestly havent read a lot of manga lately for this reason and pretty soon to drop webtoons too.
Oh, wow. Surprised to see you here Cetriya. Honestly, I'd say for AGES the art styles have defined the genres in manga. New artists tweak a hand full of things based on their influences and preferences. However, i noticed the pool of choices increases if one of these varient styles has a story that really takes off (i"ve noticed a few new stories with My Hero conventions in terms of style). Keeping an eye on how an audience will receive a story always seems to be on mangakas' minds. It's interesting.
Wolf looks like the type of fella I can sit down and have a drink with while talking about art. One question I have for him is, “Do you have to learn Japanese to attend manga art school? Or art schools in general in Japan?”
@@okamichamploo Haha alright awesome! Thanks for answering my comment and your art actually looks awesome! Always liked that Berserk/Vagabond art style as I too aim for that.
I'm glad somebody said it. Those editors knew what they were talking about. Saying he's going for Vagabond or Blade of the Immortal, which feature some of the best anatomy and figure drawing ever seen in this world.
I'm not trying to be rude but I think this guy needs to actually listen to his teachers and have a better understanding of the fundamentals before having a special art style. Also there is nothing wrong with screentone, I don't understand his aversion to it? Like it makes making manga much more efficient and if you plan on making manga in Japan you can't take forever on a page. I feel like he needs to take criticism better and really stop trying so hard to be different. The style comes last, fundamentals come first.
I can understand why his editor said he wasn't good enough to do draw something like berserk: His character's anatomy is completely wrong and that makes his humans really stiff and lifeless both in term of acting and moving. For someone graduated from a manga school, his work is still very amateur. I'm french and I can garantee that this kind of work, even if good enough for US comics, won't have a chance to be professionaly published in my country. Plus, his attitude toward his teachers makes him enable to improve his technique because he doesn't accept any critics about his art, so he doesn't want to learn the mainstream style 'cause he only love berserk etc... and he doesn't want to do what his teachers told him in order to improve his art style, he's ok for some minor changes but doesn't want to use tone as it's cheating and HE is a real artist ( his view of the full moon rendered by cross hatching is pretty amateur, this is everything but a rendering ) etc... With his attitude, he certainly won't make his place as a mangaka. Maybe he'll get some fame, back to the USA with his background story as atrainee in a real japanese manga school but he will never do manga, only mixed american manga.
Ouch...that was brutal. And I agree with you
It's the ego of Fine Art major who thinks that he knows better and disregarding feedback from JP editors. Editors are not there to stroke the ego of the artist, but to make sure that art tells the story effectively to all readers, not just selected few.
When artists of Vagabond and Berserk started out, their art weren't that super great. However they made sure that their art tells the story beautifully. Over the decades, their art improved gradually and thus became their established "style". He should've continue improving by learning every trick that industry offers rather than trying to push his style from the start. If he's stubborn about being like Berserk, then go ahead and try churning out highly detailed art on weekly or monthly basis without assistant's help. Trust me, he won't last.
@@Reanimator999 You said it all. Disciple has to bend over in order to learn from the master. What's the point to go so far away to get an education you finaly disregard as non relevant ?
@@paperdenise5268 Bonjour. Et oui, on est au moins deux 😃
I have never been to art school or anything is just my
Hobbie and I can guarantee you my art is 50 x times better than his 😂 look me up @aolsart
This sounds an awful lot like Andrew Dobson's upbringing too.
Thank you very much for this. I have been considering attending manga school one day to improve my art (it has quite a few flaws in anatomy and skill). So it is really cool to hear how he discusses shapes vs lines in style and how they tried to persuade him to change his art style to the more popular Japanese art styles.
I find it really interesting how Wolf is inspired by Kento Miura as he was also a fine art student ^^
His editor is on the point.
Honestly I love seeing different styles for the same genre
Like imagine the realism of berserk for a romance manga
You could catch little details in facial features to convey expression and the feelings of characters
Or a goofy style for a battle manga like One Piece
Honestly if anyone here is in manga school I'd love to see you have a go at doing this
Who knows you could make something that becomes a big hit
Sure itll be different and possibly looked down on but you never know until you try
This confirms what I've always though but could never really find evidence for.
Japan learns art differently, and its that difference that makes it easy to spot the origin of animesque art as western even from highly skilled artists, meanwhile even japanese artists with distinct and unique styles still feel authentically japanese.
I always see lineart in japanese drawing, and pretty much all of the best artists can draw beautifully just with lines. And its why I also want to mainly focus on lines aswell, it impresses me the most when pure lines make a finished drawing.
Thank you DokiDoki, for this unique interview.
Let me tell you something: the kanji and even word for "drawing" and for "stroke", is THE SAME ONE. And this is why I find Gekiga being so special: Gekiga is not about "dramatic drawings" IS ABOUT FUCKING DRAMATIC LINES! I kinda knew it, that Gekiga is Manga elevated to infinitum, where every single stroke, is important. BUT THIS CONFIRMS IT!
They just take art more seriously in eastern countries, any south korean or japanese artist can easily destroy any modern western artist. That's all it is. Western countries just scam unsuspecting students with garbage tier art courses. Japanese students also have the benefit of having to practice with a brush to write their vocabulary from my understanding.
I understand the fact that he used to be a fine art student, however, things may be different for a mangaka. There are certain ways that mangakas do that might seem weird for the other artists from various places around world like the usage of tones. I don't think it's considered as cheating since they are making a manga which is not an easy task to do based on its weekly releases. So it's actually weird for me to hear him say that he doesn't really follow the given instructions from the editors. It's a great way to learn even though it sounds or feel harsh since you have to adjust to something that you don't really like. And I think he needs to improve on his anatomy or perspective since it gives off a weird and stiff look.
I went to manga school once in Japan.
I drow manga 8 pages and I showed my manga to editor in my school event.
He said a lot of bad things….
My manga is good about drowning views but how to divide manga bages are too simple.
But I understood what he said.
The people who went to the art university got good reviews from editors.
My school teacher said if you have interesting life stories, you can write good mangas.
I think what is important things to drow mangas is what experience did you have in your life.
I find it weird how he tries to attribute people not liking his art with the style.
His later drawings are fine, but they clearly lack the basic fundamentals. You can’t focus on stylizing your work without having an understanding on something like that. It’s actually part of the reason art schools don’t like anime art. It’s clear sometimes that an artist is trying to incorporate someone else’s work, despite the fact that in order to do that work, even their role model had to learn the basics.
Again, not saying the guy’s art is bad per se, but he definitely needs more work done and not just the artstyle.
Insightful!
His art is very amaturis lack of anatomy and fundamentals is like drawing without basic perspective
What Manga School did he go to? I don't think the school name was mentioned.
Nobody will ever know
Oh it was TCA (Tokyo Communication Art). We probably shoulda mentioned that, lol.
Are there any 3 month programs for Manga school for USA students that want to do this in Japan???
Nice video, are there any good art (manga) programms that you can online?
Dude, if a Japanese Mangaka starts an online school in English or even in Japanese, he/she will become a multimillionaire in no time.
The art has gone viral in the west recently. Not to mention China.
There is one, yeah. However I don't want Ben to see it
I would start on paper first, but most japanese artists use "paint tool sai" or "clip studio".
@@2darki sai is more so for illustrations than comics but clip studio is good for both
I've been looking for an online manga school/tutor for years. Can you help me find one please?
I have been trying to learn the Japanese language too so I can understand a Japanese Mangaka.
For the record, I have considered moving to Japan and going to college there. But I'm my only financial support and cannot afford immigrating to a new country to study in a field that is notorious for low pay.
I've seen genius Anime artists living in a single room in a charity housing building (they were lucky to have found that BTW). My plan is to keep working at my boring job and learn Manga in my spare time. This would give meaning to my life while I won't be risking literally everything by immigrating.
I like this goblin from before better than his later works lol, would read goblin mango...
I wonder how it was to get into that school, was it difficult to get in? What kind of portfolio were they expecting, is that similar to art schools in the states?
And also if that school was expensive as school in Japan can be very expensive. Also, how long was the program?
Just those basics as an introduction would have been great, but it was very interesting anyway ^^
These topics can get pretty info heavy very quickly so we made sure the topic was as specific as possible before the shoot. Definitely happy to have Wolf back for more topics in the future!
@@DoKiDoKiDrawing yeah, I get it, I'm not that interested in all the details any way, just wondering what it's like in broad strokes
You didn't need a particularly high level portfolio, but I did need to pass a Japanese language test. So Japanese ability rather than artistic ability is probably the main issue. Price wise it was about 3 million yen for 3 years of school. So about 30k in USD (10k per year). I've also seen 2 year schools for 15k per year.
I do feel like comics illustration is a bit more free than manga. but damnnn the manga industry is strong on conforming and fitting in :(
tbf the whole japanese society is about conforming and fitting in
I didn’t go to a manga school in Japan, But I went to a class where they taught you how to draw manga. They kept telling me to draw Neon Genesis Evangelion characters 😭😭
the part of having a large following, I'd say Pipachou and Radient comes to mind though both have more modern style.
honestly, Its kinda sad just how insular a lot the styles have become. Its like style=genere so just looking at the art will tell you what type of story it is.
Honestly havent read a lot of manga lately for this reason and pretty soon to drop webtoons too.
Oh, wow. Surprised to see you here Cetriya.
Honestly, I'd say for AGES the art styles have defined the genres in manga. New artists tweak a hand full of things based on their influences and preferences.
However, i noticed the pool of choices increases if one of these varient styles has a story that really takes off (i"ve noticed a few new stories with My Hero conventions in terms of style).
Keeping an eye on how an audience will receive a story always seems to be on mangakas' minds. It's interesting.
Yeah I don't blame you. I haven't read much at all since I left the manga school as well
Looks like uite the challenge
Wolf looks like the type of fella I can sit down and have a drink with while talking about art. One question I have for him is, “Do you have to learn Japanese to attend manga art school? Or art schools in general in Japan?”
英語を流暢に話せる日本人はあんまりいないので、日本語ができれば機会が広がりますよ。
@@ayaneagano6059 わかりました、それは理にかなっています。私自身もそれが美しいと思うので、私はその言語を学ぶのに問題はありません。ご返信ありがとうございます！ ：D
Glad to hear that.
Yeah I had to pass a Japanese language test to get in. About JLPT (Japanese Language Proficiency Test) N2 level should be enough.
@@okamichamploo Haha alright awesome! Thanks for answering my comment and your art actually looks awesome! Always liked that Berserk/Vagabond art style as I too aim for that.
His art is still very amateur, just needs a bit of polishing! 🙌🏼
I'm glad somebody said it. Those editors knew what they were talking about. Saying he's going for Vagabond or Blade of the Immortal, which feature some of the best anatomy and figure drawing ever seen in this world.
@@StudioArtFX exactly man, not only the anatomy but lacking in fundamentals overall
Truth hes more ego than learning
I'm not trying to be rude but I think this guy needs to actually listen to his teachers and have a better understanding of the fundamentals before having a special art style. Also there is nothing wrong with screentone, I don't understand his aversion to it? Like it makes making manga much more efficient and if you plan on making manga in Japan you can't take forever on a page. I feel like he needs to take criticism better and really stop trying so hard to be different. The style comes last, fundamentals come first.