Mac OS 7.6 Installation Frustration (Macintosh TV) - Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2019
- The Macintosh TV is in need of a Mac OS 7.6 software upgrade! Krazy Ken will soon find out how a simple software update can doom mankind (or at least break is computer).
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Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures #89 - Mac OS 7.6 Installation Frustration (Macintosh TV)
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It's the board. When I put in the Mystic board, the speakers were loud. It's AMAZING how many issues are the result of a faulty board. You can see the speakers (and more of the Mac TV) in action, in this episode: bit.ly/clan2Cpm0yG @@TheNews1990
Computer Clan love your videos
@Krazy Ken I think the Apple "Drive Setup" doesn't work it's that previous owner have formatted the HD a third-party tools.
Try look online for FWB Hard Disk Tool Kit, and LaCie Sliverline software, they allow Format the HDD even with Apple/ Non-apple driver.
You can also use the patched version Apple HD SC which bypass the apple driver checking. Ensure that you backup the files in the old drive!
@@TheNews1990 it's not a diffrent board, the seller just either removed the tuner or he never had it, its caps are quite known for leaking, mine is all corroded due to that.
Double Loss
1) Cant Update to 7.6
2) The computer can't turn on anymore
Sad : c
I don’t know what to do now
Haha!
@@ComputerClan thats a 2000000 % sadness
You should look up the classic Macintosh key combinations. You could boot to CD by pressing C on boot, and you can soft reset by pressing Cmd+Ctrl+Power.
Dude, you're still the guy I'd want facing the aliens in the city-sized mothership with nothing but wit, a virus, and an old PowerBook. Awesome video, and in my own way, I've been there! This don't work, now that other thing doesn't work. Now the cables decided to stop working...... GRRRR!
It’s funny you say that because I’ll be showing a PowerBook XXXX (like in Independence Day) in an upcoming Vintage Apple Vault episode. Stay tuned ; )
@@ComputerClan Awesome!!!
Hey Ken! Thanks for the fun videos. The Apple software to format drives (Apple HD SC Setup for older SCSI disks and Drive Setup for IDE disks) only work on apple drives. I think that changed eventually but I don't recall when Drive Setup could be used on non-Apple disks. Since you have a 3rd party drive you will need something like La Cie Silver Lining or FWB's HD Toolkit. Or there were patched versions of Drive Setup that worked on any disk, but again you need the SCSI tool. Good luck getting it running again!
Here are some links to make the drive partition and formatting process easier:
Info on what to do:
www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/scsi.html
www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html
Downloads due to broken links:
darnok.org/projects/mac/
Of coarse, you could always pull a Druga1, and make a more amusing video!
5:10 That is the “At Ease” interface. My elementary school used it because it doesn’t allow you full access or the Finder and only specific apps that is assigned by the Admin. I do believe the software is still available on Apple’s FTP server.
Your audio is weak because the capacitors on your logic board are leaking. You've GOT to get them replaced ASAP. Capacitor goo conducts electricity and is corrosive. The more you use this machine, the more damage you're doing to the logic board.
Right. Thankfully some super-generous viewers have offered to re-cap the board. I have several boards needing re-caps, so I’m lining up some people to help.
It's like watching Druaga1 lol 🤣😂
But better ?
Replace the capacitors on all your classic Macs.
Yeah, I reached out to someone who does it professionally. I haven’t heard back, but I can ask around. I don’t trust myself with that stuff-especially on rare hardware.
@@ComputerClan DO NOT TRUST MACCAPs, he seems to have stopped doing it a few years ago, took peoples money and macs and did nothing.
I both love and hate how these videos have inspired me to start an old mac collection. I am now the proud owner of a g4 iBook. For some reason.
I was about to go to sleep.
Well, that's gonna be a long night for me...
It’s all about dedication. ; )
Mac OS 7.6 requires 32-bit addressing. When you first tried to boot from the CD it restarted after showing the happy Mac icon, which was an automatic switch to 32-bit addressing mode (which requires a reboot.) Annoyingly some of these old systems were set up to always eject all disks upon a restart. You might be better off running 7.5.3 or 7.5.5 (if you can get the thing working again.) A Mac OS 8 version of drive setup could maybe work, too.
At Ease was the "lock down" / simplied UI alternative to Finder back then.
Macintoshgarden has everything you need for this including the patched drive setup stuff for non-Apple drives.
Sudos macintosh garden is a treasure trove
30 mins and only 350 views? strange. this channel should pop out like a good channel! like your work!
I bought a Performa 600 Cd in 1992 and it was horrible because it took a special version of the System software. These computers were intended to be sold at electronic stores and department stores like Sears. It had the horrible “At Ease” interface that was intended for people who didn’t know how to use a computer... this was after all 1992. That computer quickly got replaced by a Power Computing “Power Tower210 CD’.
Any updates... waiting with baited breath on the resurrection of this... as my MacTV did the same thing, just ordered a bunch of caps for the analog board and going to see if that helps any. I already re-capped the mainboard.
Krazy Ken, Druaga1, Squirrel Monkey, LGR, Roadgeek/Nostalgia Mall, and The 8 Bit Guy are all computer UA-camr gods to me.
5:10 At Ease! I haven't seen that Interface in YEARS 😊
"not hearing the same buzz..." ??? Oh that sounds like it's a capacitor or PSU issue. I'd say open it up and see if anything blew up before something starts to corrode.
Just hit the thing with Lido or one of the patched versions of the Apple drive mangler?
i actually forgot today was thursday, time to more crazy MISSadventures
You know it!
Love your videos
OS 7.6 didn’t work on quite a few Macs ( I had a PowerBook 1400 that couldn’t use it and my 5500/225 couldn’t either) What is the Processor in this Macintosh TV. If you look at the Read Me File it says it doesn’t support 6030 and 6040 processors.
19:22 Remember what the shop said on your other video?
Isn’t there a drive setup on the ext. scsi drive
There was always a floppy utilities include with these old machines. You could boot from themmand format your drive. There are still some archives on line with the propriety software for a lot of machines from the 80’s and 90’s, the Classic OS age.
You need the patched version of HDSC setup to format the drive as the Apple supplied version only recognises drives with Apple firmware. Drive setup I’m pretty sure only works on macs with IDE.
I don't know if this is still an issue, but if you have issues partitioning SCSI devices on old macs, my Mom used to always use a program called LaCie Silverlining. It seemed to work quite well if I remember correctly.
Finally! More of Ken's curse! Yaaay
OMG! I'm going through the same shenanigans trying to update my Mac SE/30 OS to 7.5.5. It's ridiculous.
My computers favourite thing to do is blue screen.
My Power Mac g3 did something similar. I had to do a hard shut down and it wouldn’t boot back on, however, after about 30-45 minutes the g3 booted right back up again.
30-45 minutes plugged in?
What is that mark on the top right screen of the Macintosh TV? Is it on the CRT or the camera?
CRT. Not sure what it is. I actually scraped at it in the episode.
Yeah... probably time for a recap, I'd say
Isn't there a terminal where you can format the partition? Diskutil? No?
Not on this old system. Third party devs have stuff, but I don’t have the luxury of simply going to the interwebs to download stuff : p
The SCSI partition tool was intentionally programmed to skip non-Apple drives. But whether or not it skips is a setting stored in a resource in the app which can be changed with ResEdit- so you can partition non-Apple drives.
CharisMac is also good...support for IDE. Of course you'll have to be able to turn the machine on to do any of this XD
And, hey, if you want, I can send you an Apple-firmware SCSI hard drive preloaded with a Mac OS 7.6 install.
"black and white"
**displays blue finder icon and rainbow apple logo**
The main reason the Powerbook 5300 CD didn't work is because its System Folder is based on a system specific install, as well as being a PPC-Only version, so they could save room on the CD for the extra stuff that came with that model. They didn't start offering DVD drives with the powerbooks until the G3 Series (the ones after the original "Kanga" Powerbook G3), so they only had about 700MB of space to work with.
Looking up the error code shown doesn't really point to any specific failure, sadly. The F indicates that an "Exception" (programmer speak for an abnormal operating condition, or in layman's terms, an error) occurred during the start up process. The D on the second line refers to a Non-Maskable Interrupt triggering the exception, but where that interrupt came from is not indicated.
Krazy Ken on Valentine's Day
Ken has finally become krazy
Hasn't he always been? ;)
Ken: "Who says "consolidation of much information?!""
Me: "Me, now! 😁"
your videos are awesome man, keep making them. they are so entertaining to watch
Thank you : )
I remember having to use third party disk utility applications with non apple hard drives inside the old Macs
I want to say it was in the Mac OS 8.0-era Drive Setup supported non-Apple drives, probably won't do much good with the 030! Likely going to have to hunt a 3rd party format tool once the 'ol MacTV board is back to life.
Another option is to put the mystic board in long enough to format the drive using the 8.1 disk tools. Just remember not to format it as MacOS Extended, as that will only work with 8.1+, and can't be used to boot a 68k Mac anyway.
why did ken clean his disk?
because it was SCSI
As for "Drive Setup" and "Apple HD SC Setup" - by default, they only work on Apple-firmware hard drives. You can download hacked versions that will work on all hard drives.
And "Apple HD SC Setup" is for SCSI hard drives (internal or external) while Drive Setup is for IDE hard drives. (Although in later OS versions, Drive Setup was used for all hard drives.)
Well… that clears things up, haha. Thanks.
Congratulations! You have become better at: druaga1! (255)
You shouldn't compare Krazy Ken to Druaga1. That's an insult… to Druaga1. xp
@@ComputerClan That was wholesome :)
Is that Druaga1 holding 3 SSDs at 0:17?
Sure is! He was a guest in this episode: bit.ly/clan2tQ6Lb4
That is a sexy early Mac
Ken, i really love this videos. Probably because i love tech.
And You serve tech in very funny way.
Your film montage is very good.
You don't planning this; you making these with us!
Thank you!
SirThunderek(GrzmociQ),
PS. Sorry for mistakes in text.
You can get all versions pre Mac OS X 10.4 here winworldpc.com/library/operating-systems
Blackintosh. the best ever
call a black MacBook a BlackBook
Michelle McMahon Ha ha ha that’s funny
And black os
cmonBruh
that didn't age well
Old tech has a way of bullying you Ken.
Apple has always made specifically targeted install-material. Apple cds and dvds checked your hardware if you clicked on install OS 7.6, and decided against you if you had the improper desktop or laptop. On the old machines you could use disks, floppies, or an external scsi-drive. My first apple was a grey imaged laptop with os 7.1. The jump to 7.6 was phenomenal and the material included also internet software. The problems were diverse and the problems with extensions you added could be numerous. But we were excited. A new world, the digital Age was coming and we were proud of our digital T-Fords.
I think it would have been easier to burn a cd from a win world pc download of iso of English Mac OS 7.6.1 installer
My experiences with installing older Mac OS is that there's a lot of system specific releases that will only function on specific hardware. This seems to be an example of that. :(
Right. However, I’m fairly certain I have System Enabler 404 installed, which should work with 7.6 on this Mac, yeah? I may have to double check that. However, I think the 7.6 CD was working just fine. The issue was the low disk space… then it gets worse from there, haha.
@@ComputerClan That particular system enabler is only for 7.1.x. The Macintosh TV (along with all macs released prior to 7.5) does not need any system enablers with 7.5 through 7.6.1 (the last version that is supported on this particular board).
Putting the mystic board in with the existing hard drive might not let you boot to the current drive unless you have the enabler for the 575 (Enabler 065) installed as well, but just like the original board you won't need an enabler on 7.5+.
lactobacillusprime is correct about this being a system-specific install disc, but more than that, this disc is PPC-Only, which is why you get that particular error message when you try to run it on the 68k Mac TV. You'll see similar errors if you try to run PPC-Only programs on a 68k Mac, at least on 7.6 through 8.1 (prior versions gave a numeric error code, and everything after 8.1 is PPC-only anyway).
Edit: Almost forgot, having the enabler on the hard disk doesn't do anything for any other installs on other disks or on CDs. The enablers have to be in the active system folder for them to do their job. The install disc for the Macintosh TV had the enabler in its system folder, which you could see for yourself if the disc wasn't broken.
5:30 Wow, look at those installers, disk images... That was the Windows 3.1 era. Not an Apple fan, but Win 3.1 looks like a bit a toy beside system 7 really.
BilisNegra it really does. Windows 3.1 was impressive for Microsoft but Apple was amazingly advanced at that time
The "stuff" at the upper-right of the screen is probably where the anti-glare coating has worn off. It's not "stuff", it's the _lack_ of stuff.
$h!t. That's even worse, haha.
Krazy Ken, if computer is older than you, you have about 20 years.
Recap video soon plzzz
:( Bummer, man!
Can you load mac OS on to a Windos systwm? Hummm.
Depends on which version of MacOS, and what hardware is in the PC. Anything prior to 10.4.4 will require emulation, and anything after that can be a royal pain depending on how different your hardware is to what Apple shipped in their Macs. Even with emulation, there are certain versions that won't run well or at all.
Of course none of this touches on the legality of doing so based on the license agreements included with the various versions of MacOS. And there's the legality issues involved in obtaining the firmware images required for the various emulation options.
@@evknucklehead I'm running macOS Mojave (10.14.1) on my Ryzen 7 1700 PC, probably as far away from a Mac (usually an Intel Core 2 Duo) as you can get. Despite that, it was very easy to install and works fine, better than Windows imo.
@@ephemeralViolette Strictly speaking, Macs have been running the Core i Series (and their Xeon equivalents for the Mac Pro line) for about as long as that processor series has been in existence.
It's quite possible that the newer versions of macOS are easier to install than the versions I've tried to install in the past (haven't really tried since Yosemite, might have another look at getting this old beast running Mojave).
With software this old I personally wouldn't be such a stickler for original install media...
Popping Ken's MacOS 7.6 cherry. Or not.
No cherries were popped in the making of this film. >_>
try a 320gb scsi hard drive
put a cmos battery in it. That will fix the having to wait forever for it to power on issue.
No? The capacitors are leaking
Fact: Ken got wooshed recently by me, Achievement unlocked?
Also the Macintosh TV is my favorite Espresso design Macintosh.
Agreed. Black Espresso is beautiful.
This document represents...a consolidation of much information. There. I’m now someone who said that.
Next video : Trying to install macOS High Sierra on the Macintosh TV (Blackintosh)
he had issues with installing system 7.6 then it had to die on him. maybe a recap will fix it. desolder the caps, clean the capacitor goo off the board, then solder new ones on.
11:30 anti glare coating, dont scrape it, it will get worse.
You should use sheepshaver
yay
Ejected the CD before it reboots, oops, ha ha
Hey Ken try and download windows on a Mac Or Mac OS on windows.
or a 250mb apple hard drive
Honestly, do a video putting a Mac Mini in it. I dare ya
Absolutely no reason to install 7.6 on a 68030 mac. All of the improvements were for PPC systems and it runs like a dog on 030s.
Im sure you already know of them and just want to use original discs to install software, but if you are having trouble sourcing system discs, you may want to try on macintoshrepository.org . They have quite a bit of good things that I found!
In order to intialize a non-Apple SCSI disk with HD SC Setup 7.3.5 you need a patched version of this program. www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html
This is if you want to wipe the drive and create a proper single boot partition.
If you want to manually partition the drive I'd advise you to use the "driver d2" utility. It is third-party but also produces bootable partitions, from my experience.
Also: If you experience sound issues, soft power issues, issues with keyboard and mouse getting no power, floppy drive anomalies, etc. Recap the mainboard. It is the only solution. Just do it.
This is a really handy disk to have, it contains Just about all Apple software and utilities from OS 6 - 8.1 including installers for each!
macintoshgarden.org/apps/apple-legacy-software-recovery-cd
Windows will not let you burn it with the builtin CD Burner tool you will need to use something like imgburn to write it to a CD.
Good luck!
Ha, good timing. I actually downloaded it a while ago (as quite a few people recommended it to me) and right before I saw your comment, I had thrown the file in my "queue" of items to get imaged to CD.
@@ComputerClan good! it's a life saver xD
Hey Ken! I wish I could chat with you.
We do have a Krazy Ken VIP Discord channel on Patreon : ) Patreon.com/KrazyKen
Ken just put that hard disk i another computer and delete all the partition
I too have a MacTV, however I have never powered it on in the 20 years or so that I have had it... its been gathering dust in the garage all this time. I am in the process of getting caps for both the motherboard and the analog board, I can give you lists for both to buy at Digi-Key if your willing to. Also why did you not make a backup image of your MacTV install disc? if you want check out Macintosh Garden, they do have a multi mac image that supports the MacTV for 7.1, you could at least use that to boot from and should be able to repartition it. And you can check out my ongoing thread at 68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/55957-macintosh-tv-questions/
Notification broke :(
Wow, all that effort just to install an operating system.
Never had issues like these installing Windows.
UA-cam stopped the vid to show an ad about some Indian dude talking about billboards
Update for me was easy on a Coloraturas Classic. Went from 7.1 to 7.6.1. Then I added the Appearance extensions from System 8.
It was called system 7.6
YA GONNA NEED NET FOR AOL
Poor Mac TV ;(
Time for a Re-Cap? Absofragginlutely.
If you can't find someone local to recap, send me a message and I will do it for you.
What a coincidence. I just messaged someone when you messaged me. However, please send me an email (link in the description). I would like to talk about this. Thanks.
@@ComputerClan Actually, I just sent you a message via your contact form. I don't want to broadcast my email but you will know by the z. lol
everything falling apart:
1: partition table is stupid
2: the drive probably have enough space for 7.6 even if there was only one partition
3: third party drive so apple says no.
4: 7.6 for apple tv disk cracked
5: computer dead
The disc for the Macintosh TV was for 7.1, not 7.6.
Use goo gone on the screen. gets rid of literally anything
I shall look it up. Thanks.
@@ComputerClan Most likely, you'll find it in a nearby store, but it's also on amazon with 5 second search.
@Linux User 608 Heyo
Edit in Windows Movie maker in the next video
Your Power supply may have Broke
Plan b burn a CD-ROM
CD-ROM will do nothing.
b o n g