Gyroscopic Balance? Bat Bike Build Part 11
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Can a Gyroscope solve stability issues?
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The fact that you're working 5 days a week and still have time to work on the bike, edit the videos and do all the other crap associated with adulting is inspiring.
Can't wait to see the finished gyro.
This is what really makes it amazing.
maybe what he meant was that he works 5 days a week on this bike xD
Never use the word adulting
@@JP-iu4vz we use the word adulting now.
@@JP-iu4vznever cry over something that isn't even as bad as spilt milk.
This is awesome, frickin excellent solution. When I was younger I thought about having regenerative braking installed on a motorcycle used to spin up some gyroscopic wheels to keep a motorcycle standing up at traffic lights or alternatively ran off a battery for longer periods of balance. I always wondered how the actual mechanism worked, now here you are actually making it on a fantastically designed unique motorcycle. I'm here for it
Man that's an awesome idea...
Tom stanton has made a video on that exact idea, check it out :)
They do make vintage styled lights that work off the bead of the tire as it spins to make it light up. If somehow you had a bearing to get it spinning when you stop it could keep the light on idk. Maybe one way bearing
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There absolutely has to be no slop in that steering set up, any slop no matter how tiny will cause a delay in responsiveness. I learned that lesson many years ago with a crash. I don't know what you have for a steering ratio between those two sprockets but that might need tweaking? Another issue which you may not be able to do anything about is the width of your handlebars. I know you have limited space inside of your cab but the wider those bars are the easier your steering control will be. Good job on tackling the rake and trail problem 👍
Seeing as work lets you tackle personal projects, I'd say get those brake drums on the lathe- clean the surfaces up and get them both to the same mass.
They're probably only a few grams difference now but when they're spun up in a system together that could work out to a major force imbalance.
This. The primary balance of the gyroscope needs to be spot on.
There was some vaporware company making a Two Wheeled Enclosed Vehicle with a Gyro
(instead of the landing legs, or training wheels as someone i knew called em upon me showing them a video lol)
Glad to see someone actually go about making one! You earned yourself another subscriber, I’m excited to see how this turns out!
same company as the one that had the little fold down training wheels actually, they made the second version with gyroscopes
Probably thinking of LitMotors. Not quite vaporware but not much better. They've gotten millions in funding and produced nothing after 10+ years. Being all electric, those gyros suck a tremendous amount of juice.
@@matus1976 Didn't the guy use the gyros for regeneration as well?
Anyways, I think DOT has a thing against enclosed motorcycles. No company has ever succeeded in marketing one in the U.S., ever. Every company I have seen has hit this wall.
It was cool to learn about the gyroscope. I always thought those were used to see if the girl you met at McDonald's was a succubus, sent to drain your life-force, or just a nice girl. The bike is awesome!!
I have no words...
@@justicesicklesright? Like what
I don't know, maybe it's a Southpark reference.
Should we send help?
I had a run in with a succubus on the east coast and she nearly grabbed my life force. But I used the Absalon factor and escaped her. She got me with her cabbage patch kid and my little pony and troll doll collection. And always whispering sweet little nothings about her original atari 2600 and pitfall. STAY AWAY FROM THE SUCCUBUS!!
Bloody ripper to see more Kiwi home engineering on utube. Love your videos.
I was impressed before you decided to build your own gyro. Keep at it! I love to see you problem solve. Loving it from Alabama, USA.
It’s like watching iron man make his first suit
Are you that easily impressed?
This is impressive you’re just too dumb to comprehend how sick this is
Him and the other guy need to race
@N1GhT0FtHeW0Lf dude it's the akira bike, hell fuckin yeah
@@nothere1734 more like a batman bike but ok
Randomly recommended this video, pretty cool! As far as the idea for using gyroscopes to help keep your bike upright, you may want to read about the Brennan Monorail, a design from the early 1900s which used gyroscopes to stay upright. You'll need to be able to introduce some control into the gyros' rotation outside of the influence of gyroscopic precession, or your gyros won't just stop you from falling over, they'll stop you from leaning over when turning.
that gyroscope mech reminds me a lot of that single track train!
Same here
Yeah, it's mentioned on the video, how about watching it all before commenting obvious stuff?
@@GeomancerHT I am very sorry officer. It was late when I stumbled over the video... I had to skip through here and there.
Hey remember that mono rail train, it reminds me of that!
@@stefensmith9522 iiii member!
Brilliant video, it looked like it was doing ok with more speed. The gyro will be very interesting though. Something I was told recently was the clock you called a DTI (dial test indicator) is just a dial gauge, a dial test indicator doesn't have a plunger it has an arm. I had been calling it the wrong thing for years until some smart ass corrected me. 😉😉
The dti is the lever one right and the normal one is just called a dial gauge I think. Yeah I have heard of that before haha !
@@DktheWelder Yeah that's right, bit trivial really. The gyro that kept a train upright was unbelievable, would have never thought that was possible. Have you done any calculations on what mass and velocity would be required for your bike gyro or is the plan to just try it ?
@@Ben-Dixey I did like a quick ratio calculation but really just having a go working with what I got 👍
@@DktheWelder No harm at all in doing the trial and error method. You learn more in my opinion. Most of the stuff you build works anyway. 👍
I just saw this, but to me this is not a "Bat bike" for me this is the real life Extreme G bikes, or the moto terminator, that is completely amazing, Keep it up buddy, awesome build
Ecomobile enclosed motorcycles just use a central counterweight system with dampers to lower the center of gravity, and to act as a center of mass shifting system for controlling lean both in and out of turning. Something similar could be done though it may require an active motor-driven closed-loop control if you don't want to spend many years trying to find the best ratio of mass-shifting to control inputs at a variety of speeds.
You MAY have heard/seen, but there IS a 'Self balancing' 2 seater CAR with ONLY two wheels using a MASSIVE giro - 1967 'Gyro-X' (plenty of vids on this peculiar beast!) 🤔👍
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You absolute legend, mate! I recently saw the gyro video mentioned and prayed to the gods of motorsport for a Hero to arrive.
Man that's some awesome stuff your making. Doesn't hurt working in a machine shop but the parts you make at home blow me away
I love the way you tell us everything, positive or negative and include the decisions for the changes. Keep going!❤
Yes, my friend, show your work
I've been sketching designs for a feet-forward motorcycle with fully enclosed cab to use in a videogame, but I didn't know that one actually existed! this is very cool, and shockingly similar to my sketches
This is really cool! The gyroscope seems like it will need a complex control scheme for it to work properly. The balance angle is only 0 degrees at low speeds. At high speeds you need to lean and you don't want that gyro to fight it.
Crazy build !! All this makes me think one thing : 2 wheels vehicules where driver can't lean sideways might actualy have the directional wheel at the rear instead of at the front... In addition of not creating centrifugal counter effect, it would probably be very enjoyable to ride, with an important drift sensation...!
reminds me of the Tron bike from the 1982 film, amazing job!!!
Have you heard of the gyroscopic train? Its a platform that balances on one rail even when it's not moving. It's self correcting on turns with no overcorrection. It was invented a hundred years ago, but not put into mass production because the size of the gyros was said to be impractical.
this reminds me alot of the lit motors C-1 from over a decade ago, I was excited to see their design being tested and looking like it was going to be real then nothing ended up coming out.
Following for what comes in future from yours!
That's Super Cool that you are listening to the Comments and actually attempting to throw the Gyro in the Mix!!!!Keep up the Great Work Bro!!!!!
That gyro is looking so good Dan! Amazing how much work you get done in your free time, do you ever stop? Keep up the good work
you making that gyroscope actually made me subscribe, that thing looks complicated!!!
Wow the timing of this is so perfectly in line with my current interests that it's as if this is divine inspiration!
Great work! Never stop being Awesome!
MAN this is just like an ExtremeG motorcycle! This is really cool! You need to get this painted ASAP. I'm looking forward to see the end product. Once you get this done you could look into the other models.
Great to see the adaptation throughout the process, and courage to push forward on something outside of your comfort zone! I can't wait to see this thing rip!
I love your tenacity. The gyroscope is a great idea. On anxious to see it completed.
I was literally typing out a comment to point out Brennan's gyro train when you mentioned it on-screen. This will be super cool! Git 'er done!!
I actually watched that mono rail train vid 2 mths ago,very intresting and worked well.
Keep up the great work DK
YOUR A STRAIGHT BEAST MY FRIEND !!! Please continue this project to the end !!! SUCH A GENUIS !!!
As a mechanical engineer in training: The motor is not designed to have that amount of side load from the gyro disk. If that motor shaft bends when its spinning at high speed it could be catastrophic. I recommend mounting the disks to larger axles and have bearings that take the side-load from the gyro forces. Then use something like a belt and pulley from the motor to the disk.
This is fascinating and every video shows more creativity. Can't wait to see how well the gyro works.
When I was a kid, we would rent 3 wheel trikes on the beach called Fun Cycles that used pivot steering where the front wheel and most of the weight pivots the direction you want to turn instead of using handlebars and the rear wheels stay flat on the ground. I feel like allowing the main body to pivot inwards into the direction you're turning would provide added stability. Sort of like how you steer on a bicycle when you're riding with no hands.
Just brilliant mate... I think it would be a good idea to set mechanical limits to your gears to that they don't turn too much as it happened in 13:51
That's awesome."Extreme G" series almost seems like to become real.😯
I always dreamed of a bike like this existing. Thank you for your creativity and making dreams come true!
Stays upright and utterly uncontrollable
Australian Batman would definitely own a small welding company, so this checks out.
Man i wish i was smart enough to fully grasp the concepts of what youre doing, this is really cool
that scary movie reference got me rolling 3:00
after your last video i was thinking Gyroscopic balance is gonna be the only way ,, feel like i shoulda commented then. good vids man keep em coming.
There was a guy in the early 1990 I think he was in Portland Oregon U.S.A. he built gyro-stabilized two wheeled vehicle out of a Honda 400A it was on the cover of a motorcycle magazine. I think they called it The Road Hawk. After they where done with it they put the bike back together and my little brother bought it.
i just want to give a suggestion keep your work area organized, i will bet it will definitely bring a change in every thing
You should absolutely tack a chain tensioner on there, as that will constantly preload the chain and remove slop even as chain wear occurs (which may happen if regular maintenance isn't done)
Haha, “…this thick, cause it’s lying around”. Such a cool project!
Hey DK, the production of your vids are getting better and better and your humour rocks...cheers
Another new subscriber (and UA-cam Shed Wizard!) Here.
Cant wait to see that gyro in action, should be just enough to tip the balance (sorry!) in your favour.
Watching with interest mate.. 😊👍
You need to have the gyroscopes located in the bikes center of gravity or some where close. If you want to see how to possibly do it, look up those new radio controlled motor cycles. They use gyroscopes to balance it
such an incredibly simple mechanism that uses nature to perform what would be very complicated in digital control systems.
Hey your surrounded by a cage of metal bars, a helmet is definitely needed. I had a black an very little red 90's Kawasaki Ninja 500 it had duel exhaust and I kept em factory cause it sounded so cool. Man I'd love to have another one same size maybe a little newer tho. I was happy with the speed of it, but i also had a black helmet I always wore, this thing with those metals bars one good thump can change ur life forever. Please wear a helmet ur getting to the speed that a wreck could really mess ya up. I say this with love, i don't wanna see u get hurt.
Awesome channel mate. Sing out if you ever need an extra pair of hands on any projects. Tonnes of fun still to be had here!
I'm so glad I stumbled upon this video
The video you referenced was really interesting. Im going to watch the next part of the build. Cheers!
I am glad that you saw my tag and will pay attention to the blogger who is engaged in gyro stabilization
That gyro setup is looking class
It would use less energy just to have retractable outrigger stabilization wheels, like the Peraves MonoRacer. Once the vehicle is going fast enough those big tires will balance the vehicle. Remote control motorcycles like the X-Rider Scorpio don't use retractable outrigger wheels, but they also don't use control moment gyroscopes ( outside the wheels ).
Can't wait to see how this goes. I saw that train video when it came out and thought it would be so cool to see that in action. This whole build is just beyond cool already, awsome work!
Looks awesome! You should take a look at LEADING LINK SUSPENSION. A 1966 Honda CT90 k0 has LEADING LINK SUSPENSION that is what you're headed for...
Can’t wait for the next video! Awesome work man
That Battie going to be really fast
Can’t wait for next episode
You got a cool bike and an even cooler place to ride it!
Awesome work,the gyroscope design is next level!! I watched that monorail train just recently too
Maybe skid rollers would help stop the skid plates pulling you to the ground when they drag. An inrush capacitor might help w the gyro motors spinning up faster
Bro ur actually inspiring one day I wanna be able to build stuff like u do
An idea, you can make a power steering system, basically when you add couple of pully acting sprockets for the chain in the steering system, should work well
Idea!
Secondairy switch for retracting the skids that is only pressed at full throttle. That way you dont have to think about it.
Also maybe even the opposite if you are off the throttle entirely then have them come down
Hmm, I've wanted to build a gyro stabilized "trimaran" so it doesn't keep either side ama's in the water, because that slows the boat down very significantly. In a vehicle with wheels however, not much at all. so add a third wheel is so much simpler.
Regarding your steering chain, ditch the chain and use some gears. A chain works great when it only goes in one direction. Looking forward to see how the gyro works.
People put automobile tires on heavier motorcycles here in the US. They work fairly well, bump deflection is minimal. Try not using that heavy truck tire, an ordinary passenger tire will be much more flexible, and still easily have a high weight rating.
Thats a really creative build ! It seems to defeat natural countersteer of 2 wheels. Research!
Great, my day is shot. Now I have to watch 1-10 of this playlist.
Mount the gyroscopes on the same axel as the rims of the vehicle! With a hub motor spinning it this would be awesome! So would swapping to two front rims!
I'm looking forward to seeing the final result, with the perfect balance gyroscope, and it will look top-notch like the bikes from AKIRA, the 1988 anime, of course in the combustion engine style that you're already using, but you understand what I'm talking about
finally getting the views this project deservers. nicely done.
I saw a week ago something similar in the one-rail gyroscopic train video, i think it might be useful for your project.
man you never notice how much edits matter til you look at a vid like this😭😭 i was so intrested until i seen the edits omg
very nice. there are a few 2 wheeled cars out there that are like from the 50's? that use the gyro to keep the vehicle stable. you might end up having to add 12 inches of length to your build and having the gyro sit low under your legs or something.
A lot of time and you have a real job
I’m so happy you took my suggestion. This is epic!!!!!
That stuck foot scene killed me 😂
The bike will be awesome with the gyroscope though. I like the design you got going.
Your imagination and engineering skills are only surpassed by your videography and editing skills
I do really enjoy you vids
Keep up the excellent work
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yes!
im looking forward to this 😄
Thanks
Bro is building the inclosed bike we've all dreamed about 😊
I love this build! good luck with it
Thankyou ! I hope I can get it to work
I tell you what it's not often I subscribe off the first video I see from someone but that thing looks sick!
was so excited to see the update. keep it coming
The steel cage with all the angles and straight bars looks like a coffin on wheels but offers a good protection.
I'm late to the party here only caught the previous video and this one but I am LOVING IT so far
Same just found the channel earlier today, the fact that he's using gyroscopes in the bike kinda reminds me of the Brennan monorail, which I first learned about last month from another youtube channel.
Like the gears between the two motors / mounts fantastic great work 👍 looking forward to seeing 👀 bike 🏍 going at speed and slowly 🐌 down a long winding road proper Batman 😀
I'm pretty sure you'll need to be able to move the new gyros to aid steering. Also If you look at RC bikes they steer by moving the front wheel off centre the opposite way to where you're steering and have low centre gyros, hope that makes sense!
Yes I think I will have to move them , yes what you said makes sense it will be a lot of trail and error to get it work
Batbike? Not really but it reminds me of the old Command & Conquer PC strategy games. The bad guys (NOD) had attack bikes that looked like this but also fire missiles for some reason. I really enjoyed the video!
Why am I only now discovering this guy?!!
I love the happy tree friends joke of cutting off the wrong leg lmao
Fix the gyroscope to the tilt when it reaches a Cervantes speed, so its turning in the corner and not try to be straight while steering
Bladerunner vibe. Awesome.
You'll get there with your project mate I quite enjoy watching your videos I haven't watched too many but I intend to stay safe and have fun