Dylan came from the folk idiom where all songs are considered "public domain" and can therefore be looted needed. But what sets Dylan apart is his sincerity. This is what Columbia Records John Hammond saw in him - a rare sincerity. I think Joni iis bitter because she is no longer the young beautiful "magic Princess she once was. Bob has aged better in my opinion.
I think you got pieces of the truth - but that is what history is - vision and re-vision - for every story has gaps to fill, some fall out and get filled again. Over and over again, my friend - can't you see, we are in the age of reconstruction.
Joni is not in Bob Dylan's league ok she wrote a FEW good tunes Bob has literally penned HUNDREDS enough said and Joni is obviously very JEALOUS!! Paul McCartney said when writing songs you start with a popular tune and make it a completely new tune by experimenting with subtle changes!!
The folk tradition, from Jimmy Rogers and The Carters up 'till now, is a tradition of sharing. Performers have long built upon each other's work. Dylan has always been "an originator" in terms of attitude, performance style and yes, writing. Mitchell ought to realize there's room for everybody. It's not a competition. She's a brilliant artist in her own right. And so's Bob Dylan.
I’ve often thought that Don McLean referred to Dylan as “the jester”in “American Pie” because of the irony. Dylan was socially conscious and very serious, especially in the 1960’s.
Proof that the complaints of plagiarism are myopic is that the sources from which Dylan borrows cannot replace Dylan’s use of them. Dylan’s sources minus Dylan would be an artistic loss because, like a Jewish midrash, he puts them in a different light and gives them novel contexts and meanings. And the idea that he should credit his sources in the songwriting tradition like he was writing an academic paper is trivial quibbling.
Maybe people shouldn't have reverance for anyone. I love Bob Dylan's music, but I don't worship him. I tried Joni Mitchell, but she wasn't a good fit. It's like trying on shoes. All subjective. Why trash one artist against another? Nonsense.
He tapped into the stream of all consciousness - that river where everything floats by. Is it plagiarism to pull in bits of words, music and style that were once hooked by others and shaped to fit their times - or is it all catch and release if one can name that tune in one note?
Appropriation is a subjective term without being qualified with facts. I would venture to guess that artists take influence and inspiration from wherever they can and evolve in their own uniqueness. There could be some serious controversy here but I say Dylan was a zeitgeist in the 60's and has far transcended and personified a great genius and artistry that runs on the high watermark of the human condition. Many of his songs are masterpieces on a level that very few have reached including Joni Mitchell.
I have great respect for both these fine artists. I think Joni is overlooking a creative phenomenon that original artists share; namely, the 'inspirational ether'. There are melodies and poetry swirling around in that mysterious psych-soup. We are no the only ones plugged into it. Sometimes, unintentionally, the same or similar ideas/melodies/lyrics are picked up by more than one set of antenna. Being as prolific as Dylan was/is, its not unreasonable to assume that now and then, he was pulling stuff out of that soup, that was also occurring to someone else.
This is gossip fodder. Let the people speak for themselves. Joni put her comments in perspective a few years back. She calls him a great artist. We all have influences. Joni even toured with Bob Dylan on the Rolling Thunder Revue. Everyone knows Woody was Dylan's Idol. He was doing that style until he developed his own. Your video is gossip baloney.
Rambling irrelevant pointless all folk music is handed down and Melodys adapted to new lyrics check out woody Guthrie as an example Dylan brought intelligence relevance and meaning to folk and popular music on an international level you don’t get a Nobel prize for stealing this is what sour grapes sound like
It's all subjective. How do YOU define: the song?...the popular song?...music?...commercial appeal? authenticity?...art?...appropriation? -- and so on...
Joni is a genius in her own right, but why does she have to go after anyone else? Nobody stakes their life on musical artists. If they do, they are not very smart. I am more of a fan of Joni than Bob Dylan but I think her ego sometimes gets the best of her. She is old now. Why not just celebrate her own contribution?
We live in times of everyone being guilty by degree - so many things we may have seen pieces of - so many completions when nobody was lookin' -and yesterday is always a hard act to follow because tomorrow is so far away. We are all Bob Dylan - but only one claims to be.
dylan is a showman in show business, a creative fabricator of dreams visions a magpie. jonie is a diaryist a much more narrow frame of reference she is neither epic nor symbolist, she spins in, bob spins out. history will out.
I don't think she is going to buy anything he makes, because I don't like him! ok fine, has he been influenced by others? of course , has she ? Dylan hurt her feelings and she is really mad so she is unloading, many people play and sing better than him true enough, when your one with your music and really loving it, you might not have time for how bitter you are about all the people who were influenced by Chuck Berry
Oh Joni. You know better than that. Was Woody authentic? How about Joan Baez? What exactly is authentic?
Dylan came from the folk idiom where all songs are considered "public domain" and can therefore be looted needed. But what sets Dylan apart is his sincerity. This is what Columbia Records John Hammond saw in him - a rare sincerity. I think Joni iis bitter because she is no longer the young beautiful "magic Princess she once was. Bob has aged better in my opinion.
I think you got pieces of the truth - but that is what history is - vision and re-vision - for every story has gaps to fill, some fall out and get filled again. Over and over again, my friend - can't you see, we are in the age of reconstruction.
This is nonsense! As much as I love Joni, Dylan was a genius wordsmith. Come on! Even if it was a puzzle, he put it together magnificently.
Said the joker to the thief
There must be some kind of way out of here.
The wheel´s still in spin....CIA
I can't get no relief
Joni is not in Bob Dylan's league ok she wrote a FEW good tunes Bob has literally penned HUNDREDS enough said and Joni is obviously very JEALOUS!! Paul McCartney said when writing songs you start with a popular tune and make it a completely new tune by experimenting with subtle changes!!
How absurd.
The folk tradition, from Jimmy Rogers and The Carters up 'till now, is a tradition of sharing. Performers have long built upon each other's work. Dylan has always been "an originator" in terms of attitude, performance style and yes, writing. Mitchell ought to realize there's room for everybody. It's not a competition. She's a brilliant artist in her own right. And so's Bob Dylan.
I think she is petty. Sure Dylan borrows from everything. All his peers respect him, and they know his weaknesses as well as his strengths.
i hear her. but artist have always did done this. you can't deny his longevity. bob created the weave.
I’ve often thought that Don McLean referred to Dylan as “the jester”in “American Pie” because of the irony. Dylan was socially conscious and very serious, especially in the 1960’s.
Try Dylan himself. He refers to himself as a jester in several songs. Easy to remember lyrics to Like a Rolling Stone for example
I have seen Mclean live and he slags off everyone. With Mitchel and him its pure envy. Dylan is authentic as you can get.
@@willaimoconnell9430 Jokerman.
Proof that the complaints of plagiarism are myopic is that the sources from which Dylan borrows cannot replace Dylan’s use of them. Dylan’s sources minus Dylan would be an artistic loss because, like a Jewish midrash, he puts them in a different light and gives them novel contexts and meanings. And the idea that he should credit his sources in the songwriting tradition like he was writing an academic paper is trivial quibbling.
Pot calling the kettle black.
He was speaking about what influenced him 💜
Maybe people shouldn't have reverance for anyone. I love Bob Dylan's music, but I don't worship him. I tried Joni Mitchell, but she wasn't a good fit. It's like trying on shoes. All subjective. Why trash one artist against another? Nonsense.
All artists for the most part , stand on the shoulders of their Predecessors
Just another dylan hater love bob❤
He tapped into the stream of all consciousness - that river where everything floats by. Is it plagiarism to pull in bits of words, music and style that were once hooked by others and shaped to fit their times - or is it all catch and release if one can name that tune in one note?
IF TRUE SO WHAT WE ALL BARROW PHRASES WORDS AND CHRORD PROGRESIONS IT JUST HAPPENS IN SHORT HE WAS GOOD
Appropriation is a subjective term without being qualified with facts. I would venture to guess that artists take influence and inspiration from wherever they can and evolve in their own uniqueness. There could be some serious controversy here but I say Dylan was a zeitgeist in the 60's and has far transcended and personified a great genius and artistry that runs on the high watermark of the human condition. Many of his songs are masterpieces on a level that very few have reached including Joni Mitchell.
I have great respect for both these fine artists. I think Joni is overlooking a creative phenomenon that original artists share; namely, the 'inspirational ether'. There are melodies and poetry swirling around in that mysterious psych-soup. We are no the only ones plugged into it. Sometimes, unintentionally, the same or similar ideas/melodies/lyrics are picked up by more than one set of antenna. Being as prolific as Dylan was/is, its not unreasonable to assume that now and then, he was pulling stuff out of that soup, that was also occurring to someone else.
This is gossip fodder. Let the people speak for themselves. Joni put her comments in perspective a few years back. She calls him a great artist. We all have influences. Joni even toured with Bob Dylan on the Rolling Thunder Revue. Everyone knows Woody was Dylan's Idol. He was doing that style until he developed his own. Your video is gossip baloney.
Interesting, informative and entertaining !!! Excellent plus job !
There's no mystique about Dylan, he's a very prosaic person, but that doesn't mean he's not a great artist
Well said.
Rambling irrelevant pointless all folk music is handed down and Melodys adapted to new lyrics check out woody Guthrie as an example Dylan brought intelligence relevance and meaning to folk and popular music on an international level you don’t get a Nobel prize for stealing this is what sour grapes sound like
Dylan was replaced in 1968 as Paul McCartney was in 1967.
It's all subjective. How do YOU define: the song?...the popular song?...music?...commercial appeal? authenticity?...art?...appropriation? -- and so on...
I think she was jealous of Leonard Cohen too!
Joni Mitchell had NOTHING to be jealous about. One of the greatest songwriters of all time and without the arrogance that Dylan always showed.
She jealous of Cohen and dylan..very bitter
Joni is a genius in her own right, but why does she have to go after anyone else? Nobody stakes their life on musical artists. If they do, they are not very smart. I am more of a fan of Joni than Bob Dylan but I think her ego sometimes gets the best of her. She is old now. Why not just celebrate her own contribution?
We live in times of everyone being guilty by degree - so many things we may have seen pieces of -
so many completions when nobody was lookin' -and yesterday is always a hard act to follow because tomorrow is so far away. We are all Bob Dylan - but only one claims to be.
She's so full of crap! She doesn't like Coltrane. A legendary jazz man
That's a rather feminine face at the start - I think it's Kate Blanchette in her role as Mr Zimmerman !? 😹
Horrible hit job that detracts more from the author than the subject.
Garbage
dylan is a showman in show business, a creative fabricator of dreams visions a magpie. jonie is a diaryist a much more narrow frame of reference she is neither epic nor symbolist, she spins in, bob spins out. history will out.
Different rules apply to chosenites.
I don't think she is going to buy anything he makes, because I don't like him! ok fine, has he been influenced by others? of course , has she ? Dylan hurt her feelings and she is really mad so she is unloading, many people play and sing better than him true enough, when your one with your music and really loving it, you might not have time for how bitter you are about all the people who were influenced by Chuck Berry
Joni is jealous. In her latter work there is barely a melody to be found.
A Tunc of little importance 😊😊😊!