As a catholic from Wisconsin: I struggle with same sex attraction but I never act on it because it’s a mortal sin, God called me to live a chaste life. I follow and obey the church and bible’s position on homosexuality.
@@ronaldjackson9521 amen to that. I Ask St Joseph and other Chasity Saints to pray for me everyday on this issue, i also ask my guardian angel to distract me with clean and pure things like Walks outside, work, Video Games and Watching Movies and TV Shows with no Sex and Nudity. im on the 1st month currently.
As someone who used to struggle with homosexuality, the reason I became Catholic last spring is because of its clear teachings on the matter! I realized that Jesus and my salvation was way more important than the desires of my flesh. So I picked up my cross and I’m following Jesus! You CANNOT love God and at the same time demand for your sin to be blessed!! Those people who want their homosexual relationships blessed do NOT love God. I know this because I personally lived through it. When you truly love God, you will SACRIFICE your personal desires with joy! And don’t kid yourselves, even if nobody told you that it’s a sin, the Holy Spirit will always reveal that it is!! Gay sex is a grave sin! Period! So to give that up for God is an incredible opportunity to become a Saint! It’s the best gift we can give to Him. So again, we carry our cross and we follow Christ! So yes, like others, I am also a little disappointed that the pope was not very clear on these blessings. He MUST be clear! It seems like the pope is trying to please the world and that is a grave mistake. The Church is not of this world and never will be and therefore has to be clear on things like grave sins! And gay people need to know the reality of what salvation is, what it means and that it’s not a joke!
I couldn't have said it better myself, thank you for putting your story out there. I'm sure it will help many others. I struggle alot with Catholicism it has its own set of laws not from the Bible. The Church is the bride of Christ. It must be pure not spotted or speckled, there is no compromise with Christ.
I agree with you 💯. As a Catholic I am really disappointed. You said it well. The church is not for the world! Trying to please the world in this matter will creat frustration and hughe distraction across the globe! Atlest not this season of Christmas!! Goosh😢
And I gotta say...the fact that you guys can devote a whole episode to trying to figure out the Pope's response just shows how dangerous his ambiguity is.
There was nothing ambiguous about Pope Francis' answer. Listen to Fr. Rich. He knew absolutely what the Holy Father was talking about. The "ambiguity" comes from the dishonest commentators who are making the Holy Father's clear statements ambiguous so they can criticize him
Yes Father Rich’s explanations were right on the money and easiest for me to understand 🙏 I love this show I have learned so much I have an incurable spinal cord disease and am trying to clear my soul. When I watched the episode on confession it had me going back 40 years to make sure I didn’t miss any sins I was driving myself crazy! But I’m feeling much more clean finally!🙏
Listening to this conversation really illustrates what Fulton Sheen meant by "The Church will be saved by the laity" My heart really goes out to this Priest. I will be dedicating a decade of a Rosary for him and all Priests who are in need of friends like these who can speak the truth without ambiguity, and who can help Priests to have more courage in the face of this great confusion within the Church . These Priests need our prayers!!! Please like if you will be joining me. God Bless.
Fulton Sheen was a bishop when psychologists used ice picks to lobotomize gay men. He had to have known of this and yet he said nothing. I'm glad you find him such a great bishop, but I hope you understand that unlike you, I do know think that giving lobodomies with ice picks to "end" homosexuality in many of the 50 states during his reign as bishop is at all helpful.
I must add that excluding LGBT's from the Catholic Church is NOT saving it. I must disagree with you. Heterosexuals can have their synods in which they invite not ONE LGBT and talk ABOUT them behind their back, but straight people talking evil about LGBT's is not "saving" the church. Two straight man and a priest can discuss until they are blue in the face about how evil homosexuals are is not going to save the church. In fact, it is lack of discussion and only enrages. I'm sorry, but I don't think the church's present hatred and the hatred they have extended to LGBT's for the past two thousand years is going to end well. I think you may be misunderstanding the silence of LGBT's. I don't look forward to what is coming. I"m glad you see it as something positive, but what I hear spoken about Catholics and be coming is not something I look forward to at all. But, alas, talking about people behind their back, attacking them for 2000 years, criticizing them mercilessly is not how you "save" the church. But alas, Mary's immaculate heart will reign in the end. But until that time arrives...well...we'll see.
Well, in the end times, there will be priests people will follow, all the way to hell. They aren’t the faithful priests. The faithful will know who to follow.
@@user-vd3bf3nd6rHow do you know that he had to have known this? Where's the evidence? You should be very careful not calumniate someone's name or reputation, least not a Venerable in the Church... From your response, I imagine thus, that you're not a professing Catholic... Nonetheless, i pray that God may grant you peace in your heart.
How can anyone take seriously a show with a bunch of bobble heads on the table? I'm embarrassed at the Catholic faith at this point. Obsessed with graven idols big and small.
@peekaboots01 statues of people who have perfect Ted themsleves in Christ are not graven idols because we all know they are not God and not worshipped. Maybe your confused? Pagans worship graven images intentionally such as Hinduism. Wake up
I think the fact that you can have an over hour long show and still come to opposing interpretations of the problem highlights exactly what the problem is.
It's our church , not just his church, as you just said . Yes, God has appointed him the head , but it's our church, too . Thank you, Caroline Regina Cywinski. ❤
That's where you are seriously mistaken!!! Because the pope has been declared infallible no one can reprove him and there is no recourse to the bible because "The Church" defines "Traditon" - which the rcc has made the guiding light instead of the bible. Sola scriptura has been discarded in favor of what "The Church" says. "The Church" is the Vatican, and the vatican adheres to what the pope decrees with the blessing of all is leftist appointees. The rcc is going the way of Sodom - there's no stopping it.
As a faithful follower in Christ we entrust the lord to work through the holy farther pope Francis..he has been advised by god to try and heal the church. I stand buy pope Francis.. as a follower it is not hour church to chime in on the gospel or the direction it takes biblically.. we are a human feebleminded, weak and unworthy it’s hour job to obey not take a role in the doctrine of the church.. that is blasphemy and heresy..its not hour church it’s the lord gods house and we sit in it for his love and forgiveness not to mouth hour opinions..!!!!!!
Thank you for the great talk. I'm German and living in a same sex partnership. We try to live according to the teachings of the church. As you know the times being a faithful Catholic in Germany is a hard one, especially concerning the homosexual theme. As the first headlines appeared that the pope allowed the blessing of same sex partnerships we were concerned and wanted to prove that information in the original text. We both came to the same conclusion as you guys. Both of us are aware of the fact that we live in a irregular relationship. But in love to our God and the church we decided to give our best to live our lives as regular as possible. We know that it's impossible to reach the highest goal of following Christ as it should be, but we do our best on our way to heaven. Besides the catechism already gives us what to follow and suggest also the way of compassion as written by Pope Francis in this actual letter. Thank you for your sensitive analysis of this case and the careful remembrance of two sides, the people living this burden and the people who have to deal with their siblings in Christ who have not an easy way up front to follow our Lord and Saviour on their way to heaven. I could feel the love for the neighbour, as we are called to, in your answers and am thankful that I can call you brothers in Christ. This hour gave me hope and strength to carry on. Good bless you for your work 🙏🏻
@@Schimmi289It’s not impossible at all. It’s entirely possible to get to the point where you only commit venial sins unintentionally. It requires acceptance of great suffering, but remember the cross comes before the resurrection. God bless you, and I’ll pray for you, and hope you do the same for me!
@@Schimmi289You can’t live according to God’s law while willfully engaging in homosexual acts. Likewise, unmarried heterosexuals cannot live according to God’s law while engaging in sexual acts with the opposite sex without first being married in the eyes of God. Your homosexuality is certainly a heavy cross to bear. There is absolutely no denying that but the cross must not be indulged in. I feel for your situation as you did not choose your sexuality but you must remember that crosses are not usually chosen by the bearer. I will pray for you and your friend. By the way, I’m a heterosexual male who’s been unsuccessfully engaged twice. The first woman died of drug overdose and the second was an extremely unstable narcissist. I’ve come to the realization that sadly I may never get married and have a family, but if that’s God’s will then it wouldn’t matter at that point if I’m straight or not. My sexuality would be completely irrelevant since I cannot engage in sexual acts outside of marriage. My point is that I choose God over my sexual desires and over my own loneliness through singlehood.
@@GovtWatchdog I thank you for this answer of compassion. As I wrote that we live according to the teachings of the church and the catechism I included that we live in chastity. We both discussed this and came to the conclusion, that we would not have this partnership bless to be a trophy for disobedience of priests and bishops in Germany. But it's encouraging to get a blessing as child of God to get along with this burden. And even if it is a heavy cross to bear I am looking forward to days off joy after leaving this valley of tears. It is definitely not an easy way and good knows I feel the sting in my flesh every day. I don't know why the easy way wasn't for me but I trust in God and his plans for there must be a reason. Thank you for your prayers and your lovely message! I'll include you in my prayers, too.
Hey Fr. Pagano, fellow Jax resident here. I have struggled with SSA most of my adult life. Ever since joining the Catholic church through RCIA, and cooperating with the Holy Spirit to find reverent, devout (and often traditional) Catholic church communities, I have actually felt differently and have experienced conversion, and have even had relationships with women now. I am inspired by the men I've met at my current parish, many of whom are my age (still fairly young) with 4, 5 or more children already, living faith-centered lives according to the Catholic faith. What's upsetting me as someone who wants to live a faithful devout life according to the doctrines of our Catholic faith is this confusion coming from Rome. It's too much of a contrast to see the devout Catholic community and what they're about and how they live their lives, and this modernist lukewarm Catholic faith promoted by Rome that often seems to contradict what the church has taught for millennia, and what is clearly written in scripture. Not every SSA person is going to want to convert. Not every fornicator is going to want to stop. Some men will always lie. Unfortunately there are those who don't want to accept the Church's or Jesus's teachings. Now I agree there's a way to be pastoral and truly caring while still firmly holding to what is True. This ambiguity is a real problem and if I weren't where I'm at in my progress, it might have even destroyed me if this happened earlier during my faith journey. How do you answer that? What if I took these signals from Rome to mean I wouldn't be able to live chastely or maybe even have a wife, and I just give up and be a lukewarm non-practicing Catholic? By the Church's own teachings I'd be heaping judgment on myself taking communion in grave sin and I'd be doomed to perdition at death! This is a life and death matter and the faithful and those who want to adhere to the faith need more pastoral care than what we're getting.
See my post also an ssa man who remains but has remained celibate and left a relationship. For us pastoral care is vital but no blessing or Communion to those who don’t want to turn away from their relationship and sex in it, this is what many priests believe should show ‘pastoral’ care-it’s a lie
@@Bayouboynkansas prayers for you brother and thanks for sharing. The Church is now pretending people like us don't even exist within it. Those who don't want to be called to holiness are getting attention from the Church, and those who are putting in a lot of work to adhere to the faith and Church teaching, and probably likewise faithfully and frequently receiving the Sacraments and tithing and contributing to the church life in some way, get ignored from Rome and by progressive priests and bishops. It's very backwards. Time to get more vocal about this issue...
He and Cardinal Fernandez already made it clear that the Church is not changing anything. People can be blessed if they are seeking help from God to live a holy life (bless me, Father, for i have sinned..) but the Church CANNOT bless/approve sin, including same-sex unions.
Why can't the pope just say NO. Quit top toeing around it and making his answer so deep and confusing. It's in the Bible. Lack of clarity here is so obvious. Dude in the middle is giving the answers I need. Can't bless gay relationships/marriages but love them. Love all people. Saints or sinners.
As a conservative christian I believe we must tell the truth of God we must-reach the GOOD NEWS ---yet we must also call a sin a sin. And love is what brings people to commit to Jesus faster than brimstone & fire.
Ryan S, you put into words so well what many of the faithful laity want to express. There are many wonderful and admirable things about our Holy Father, but unfortunately his legacy has become the pope of confusion. Thank you all for taking time to discuss this and yes, call us to prayer. 🙏🏽
Ok but there are pictures and videos out there of German priests with rainbow stoles blessing obviously gay couples on the steps of churches. It's very obvious what they're doing. So if the Holy Father means what he said, he should put an end to that and not have this crazy synod that has everybody confused and alarmed. Actions speak louder than words!
@@JohnSimmonsification can't control a whole synod of bishops if they refuse to fall in line. He could excommunicate them, but that would cause schism and loss of church property.
@@JohnSimmonsification Germans have a church tax so the German church is extremely powerful hence I think the power goes to their head amidst the cultural influence over there. They might feel like they don't need Rome and would stand against the Pope's authority.
I think the reason he was asked the questions in the format that they were asked is simply because he has the pope. Promoted Sister Janine and Father James Martin, who are from new Ways ministries father, James Martin believes that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the question of homosexual, he does not believe it is sin. and he’s not talking about the site or the attraction he is, however, talking about the act of having sex. sister Jeanine Has similar thoughts. I do believe the media might be taking advantage of this however, if the priests are allowed to bless the individuals publicly, I believe that would also cause a scandal, even if it is unintended. pray for the church and pope Francis
43:13 Wow, what a condescending thing for these two priests to say. We parishioners absolutely have a right to know what is going on within the Church, and given all that’s gone on in the Church lately, I’d say that oversight by parishioners is needed now more than ever. Sorry to disappoint you but we will be watching this extremely closely.
I have been waiting to hear exactly what the pope had to say. Your sharing of this in the way you have made much more sense than what the “gossip “ about it has been. The pastoral approach absolutely makes sense to me. Bless the person not the marriage. The kindness and tenderness of the pastoral approach is right.
This made so much sense. There are several same sex unions in our family. I totally agree that they need pastoral care and love, just as our family does give them love, counsel and inclusion. The reality as far as doctrine, is that, as much as they want a “marriage” or a blessing, the church cannot do either. It is not because we don’t have empathy, it is because we cannot lead a soul to sin. God bless you! I love the show.
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths. Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope. Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics. Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall ua-cam.com/users/shortseeD4AAW_rbc?si=XZtEWjn4FoS7g-Qg
I can't verify the source, but I think it was Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer who said, "It is not a mercy to confirm someone in sin." This is wisdom. Opening the door to "blessing" same-sex marriage can. not. be. an act of pastoral mercy. (And Scheele is right on target.)
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths. Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope. Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics. Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall ua-cam.com/users/shortseeD4AAW_rbc?si=XZtEWjn4FoS7g-Qg
We shouldn’t need talk shows to explain the Pope. No offense to you guys, you rock. The Pope needs to come out and clarify himself so that people stop questioning him and loosing faith because of potential scandal.
No need to explain if there are no people like you who do not misinterpret what Pope Francis actually means despite the Holy Father has already clearly explained himself.
@@brillanteslaw2921 clearly not if he needs explanation. I haven’t accused the Pope of saying anything misinterpreted. I’m simply observing the reality that he isn’t clear enough or takes some concerning avenues of answering questions. Be careful throwing out accusations like that. Not everyone thinks he’s an Anti Pope or something ridiculous, it’s ok to criticize yet still believe he’s a legitimate Pope.
He just met with Whoopie Goldberg and she praised him . When the world loves you something is wrong. You should hear her comments. I think you know what he means but are afraid to say it. It’s clear not vague. Pastoral? If it’s sin it’s sin and they should be told the truth and led to repentance. Their eternal soul is at stake gentlemen.
the Pope knows that the media and activists have a habit of reinterpreting his words in the most convenient way to their cause. and despite all that, he still kept his answer in a way that can be misinterpreted by them. that will be the biggest hit to his legacy: people twist his words to push changes to Catholic Church.
Any media outlet with an agenda will go out of their way to reinterpret people. It doesn't matter how clear they are. I suppose Pope Francis has room to improve, as do we all, but at the end of the day, all the clarity in the world will be wasted if it falls on people who refuse to hear anything other than what they want to hear. People who are determined to find fault with Pope Francis included.
This is also not a one-off type response. Pope Francis has made many statements throuout his time. Recently his removal of pro-life priest from the preisthood and severely limiting the Latin Mass are other decisions that seem like an attack on many within the faith. These actions seem far from pastoral.
I agree! It seems like Fr Frank Pavone didn’t really get an explanation nor an opportunity to defend himself before the defrocking. Also, the devil hates Latin.
IDC if he didn’t say it verbatim, THIS ENTIRE SYNOD IS ABOUT CONFORMING TO THE WORLD. He’s flirting with the devil. The fact he hasn’t outright said “NO” to gay marriage is a BIG PROBLEM
Clearly, he just said no, it's not hard to understand. What makes it confusing is all the people distorting his words to condemn him. The bible is misinterpreted all the time. It doesn't mean the bible is unclear. It means the devil is trying to distort it.
Bergoglio is creating his own "church" where everyone will be welcome and there will be no dogmas and sin will no longer exist. AKA a One World Religion.
The Pope has a responsibility to be clear on this issue. It is not just one among many, it is the issue of our day and with whole cultures being swept up in its demonic deception, the Pope has a duty not to leave room for people to interpret it as permissible in any way.
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths. Stop reading our Pope with so much suspicion, evil suspicions is a sin that is listed in Sacred Scripture. I was with you, I listened to the wrong people, like lifesite news and Taylor Marshal, and these people are the CNN of Catholic news, they lie and give half truths in order to push there narrative against the Pope. Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope. Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics. Careful who you listen to, ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall ua-cam.com/users/shortseeD4AAW_rbc?si=XZtEWjn4FoS7g-Qg
Pope Francis No Accept The Blessing Under The Sacrament Of Marriage! Of People of The Same Sex! Pope Francis Tells Parents of LGBTQ Children: “Never Condemn a Child” The pope’s advice is similar to the advice has been going to church leaders and pastoral minister who encounter LGBT people: Listen. Don’t break off relationship. Continue to love. Allow the person to speak. His reference to “homosexual tendencies” to describe a person with a gay or lesbian orientation is a common reference some church leaders use. Unfortunately, it is not the way that the major of lesbian and gay people refer to themselves. And even more problematic, the term seems to imply that homosexuality is about behavior and actions, not about the constitutional way someone was created by God to be in relationship with other people and to express and receive love. In Resume: That child has the right to a family,’ he said. ‘Don’t chase them away from the family.’ “ When He Talk About Family is His own Family Parent And Sisters or Brothers: Don’t Excluded From Their Family only because he is gay or Lesbian. They Need Love From His Or Her Blood Family! Can You Tell Me What Happen To Sodoma And Gorroma? Why GOD Destroyed?
Is praying the rosary scriptural? Praying the rosary is promoted within the Catholic Church as a means of strengthening one’s faith, resisting evil, growing spiritually, and generally benefiting society. While some of the prayer of the rosary is scriptural, the whole second half of the “Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.” Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21). In this life, no one is yet sanctified from sin in practice (1 John 1:9-2:1). Jesus is called our Savior repeatedly in Scripture because He saved us from our sin. In Luke 1:47, Mary calls God her “Savior.” Savior from what? A sinless person does not need a Savior. Sinners need a Savior. Mary acknowledged that God was her Savior. Therefore, Mary acknowledged that she was a sinner. Jesus came to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21). The Roman Catholic Church claims that Mary was saved from sin differently from everyone else-that she was saved from sin through the immaculate conception (her being conceived free of sin). But is this teaching scriptural? The Roman Catholic Church openly admits that this doctrine is not found in Scripture. When a young man addressed Jesus as “good Master” (Matthew 19:16-17), Jesus asked why he called Him “good” since there is none good but one, God. Jesus was trying to make the young man aware that he was using the term good too loosely. In praying the rosary, Catholics use the term holy too loosely. No one, including Mary, is holy but God. This ties in with Romans 3:10-23, Romans 5:12, and countless other passages that stress the fact that in God’s eyes no one measures up. Never is Mary excluded from such all-encompassing statements. But praying the rosary has an even more basic problem, namely, that much of the prayer is directed to Mary, not to God. We are never told in the Bible whether anyone else in heaven can even hear us. God alone is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present. When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, He taught them to address their prayers to God the Father. Every example of prayer in the Bible is addressed to God alone. There is never a single example of someone praying to any “saint” or angel or anyone else (besides prayers to false gods). Further, any time that a pious person prostrates himself (in a religious setting) to honor someone else besides God (chiefly to the apostles or angels), he is told to get up, to stop it (Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-16; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church states that it worships God alone but “venerates” Mary and the saints. What is the difference? A person praying the rosary spends more time calling out to Mary than to God. For every one praise of God in the rosary, there are ten praises of Mary! Praying the rosary also assigns a task to Mary that the Bible never assigns her. Jesus is our Redeemer (Galatians 3:13; 4:4-5; Titus 2:14; 1 Peter 1:18-19; Revelation 5:9), our heavenly Advocate (1 John 2:1), and our one and only Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The “Hail, Holy Queen” portion of the rosary prayer calls Mary our “most gracious advocate.” This is a direct contradiction of the clear biblical teaching that only Jesus is our go-between. Praying the rosary requires Catholics to call upon Mary as the “holy Queen.” The only time in Scripture that the title “Queen of Heaven” is found, the term is used in a negative way (Jeremiah 7:17-19; 44:16-27). The Bible never pictures Mary as a queen; rather, she calls herself “the Lord’s servant” (Luke 1:38). She is never given a crown or authority over heaven and earth. Likewise, is it appropriate, while praying the rosary, to call Mary our “life” and “hope”? Again, these are terms that are used of God alone in Scripture (John 1:1-14; Colossians 3:4; 1 Timothy 1:1; Ephesians 2:12; Titus 2:13). The practice of saying the rosary runs contrary to Scripture in a number of ways. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. We have one intermediary (Jesus), and it is in His name we pray, not Mary’s.
@@Daniellion1122 Holy also means sacred, which means set apart for some divine purpose - which Mary indisputably was. As Kecharitomene, she has been uniquely created full of divine grace for the purpose of hosting Jesus literally within herself, as a living arc of the New Covenant. Is the original Arc of the Covenant holy or profane? If that, an inanimate container, is holy, how much more is a person who was made for a sacred responsibility, but also chose out of the free will inanimate objects lack to make a permanent commitment out of it. Jeremiah refers to Ashera, who is obviously not the rightful queen of anything. Since Jesus is the rightful King of Kings, that makes Mary the rightful queen mother. Also, Jesus took on the role of the suffering servant. Do you question his kingship? If not, then why question Mary’s position as queen mother? Also, queen mothers of the Davidic line had an active, but subservient role in observing the needs of the kingdom, advising the king, and making sure his will is carried out. Those were all things Mary has done even, for you Sola Scriptura types, in the Bible. And her message consistently remains that we do God’s will. Speaking of God’s will, if you take any issue with Mary’s title Theotokos, you’re venturing too close to Nestorianism. Jesus, being God the Son and God Incarnate, makes Mary the Mother of God. But Catholics understand she’s not mother of the other two persons of the Trinity. Also, referring again to the Salve Regina prayer, ever heard of flowery prose? We’re quite known for it. Same with figures of speech that are not meant hyperliterally. Finally, Catholics do pray directly to God. And we “pray” (archaic for “ask”) that the saints pray for us too. Since they’re living eternally with God, it’s not like we’re engaging in mediumship to summon the dead. Also, the very word “prayer” and archaic varieties like “prithee” just mean “message,” “request,” or “I ask you.” We do not equate prayer with worship. Prayers we direct to God (which are most of them) certainly must be worshipful. However, prayer is just a part of worship. Requests that saints pray for us are no more worshipful than you asking someone else to pray for you, regardless of how much flowerier our prose is. Claiming we do indeed worship saints presumes knowledge you can’t possibly have. Not only do you not know what we mean by the word “prayer,” nor do you know how we employ flowery prose and figures of speech, but you cannot know the hearts and minds of Catholics to determine when or to whom actual worship is taking place. Try attending Mass, which is the greatest of our prayers. Also, referring to Mary as, “our life, our sweetness and our hope” or “most gracious advocate” does not preclude God from a far greater, more central role in our hearts and minds. “Most gracious” is a superlative, but it doesn’t in this context mean she is supremely gracious. It also doesn’t mean that she is our only advocate or even our primary one. Anyone who says an intercessory prayer for anyone else is advocating for them. And if I say I have three children who are the apple of my eye, that doesn’t mean my husband is any less than the love of my life. So we don’t equate prayer, in and of itself, with worship. We don’t equate veneration or honor with worship. And neither should you. Full, authentic worship is so much more. Attend a Mass and you’ll only begin to see God’s central role in our faith as the exclusive recipient of our worship. And Heaven forbid we stop praying for others or asking others to pray for us out of the misguided notion that Jesus, our greatest advocate, is to also be our only intercessor. Think of this as legal representation. Jesus is not a lone attorney, but chief of counsel, with a legal team of multitudes ready to help on whatever case.
@@valeriefinnigan41 Mary was just a woman. She is not to be prayed to. She is not our advocate, only Jesus Christ is. Show me in the Bible where Scriptures say she is our advocate?
My gay cousin, whom I love and who is in a same sex relationship, posted something on what the pope said. So, yes, Ryan S. Is right, people can misinterpret something that is not clear.
No wonder our Blessed Mother, Mary told us to pray our Rosary Daily. We need to pray to God, the Holy Spirit 🕊️ for these folks who believe in same sex marriages 🙏✝️🛐
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths. Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope. Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics. Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall ua-cam.com/users/shortseeD4AAW_rbc?si=XZtEWjn4FoS7g-Qg
Can I ask are you living in perpetual chastity? If you are NOT you have absolutely NO right to criticize your cousin or to judge him. In fact, Romans 2.1 is very clear that you are NOT to judge gays.
I’m tired of being told we are not intellectually capable of understanding right from wrong because of someone who is good at debate can use big words to argue anything they decide is acceptable , any one with a good vocabulary can do this . With God anything is possible including knowing right from wrong because it is written on our hearts . If we as Christians have a majority of people that agree someone is doing something wrong it doesn’t mean we are all stupid and just don’t understand the inner workings of the popes thought process it means he is wrong period! Saying there is not a simple answer to blessing aka green lighting homosexuality is a cop out smh . And to throw everyone in the category of not being loving and kinda to homosexuals is the most ignorant way to avoid just saying you agree with the pope cause he’s the pope . I love everyone for example and know plenty of people who are gay and don’t ever treat them bad because I want them to know as a a Christian I’m called to live my neighbor but love comes in many forms fellas. You now this especially if your a parent , if you see someone doing something wrong or in danger of being hurt or losing their soul you don’t flatter them to hell you warn them of the danger even if the warning is uncomfortable to hear . Same way a father scores a child playing with a electric socket and the child might think he’s mean and doesn’t like to do anything fun the father knows the consequences are great even if the child cannot . So to say we don’t understand that we as Christians don’t fully grasp how to live our neighbors and be respectful to people and allow them to be gay because like y’all mentioned it’s given them false hope which is way worse . We can’t defend every thing the pope out of pride for the Catholic Church and to save face because there have been several bad popes through history have there not ? Yet God has allowed it to happen . If we want to understand why there are people that maybe shouldn’t be in the position they are in we have to think of the parable of the weeds and the wheat . Matthew 13:24-30 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition The Parable of Weeds among the Wheat 24 He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. 27 And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ 28 He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. 30 Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
There has to be ambiguity, otherwise that money goes away and the people and their families and friends with them. I would never say someone should be deprived of pastoral care or reconciliation, but riding both sides of the fence is not loving nor kind.
BECAUSE OF this issue, following with other disagreements throughout the Synod, my husband and I decided to leave the Catholic church and join the Greek Orthodox.
Just a note from Germany: We have dioceses where same-sex couples are blessed publicly and in recognition of the homosexual way of life. We have parishes where the homily is preached by a woman at Mass in the presence of a priest and a deacon. We have lots of parishes where a simple confession is no longer possible without being involved in a “psychotherapeutic conversation”. And any bishop who tries to oppose this will be torn apart by their own Catholic media. Everything to make the church more inclusive and people flee like there's an air raid warning. We have already seen the same thing with the Protestant state churches and we are stupid enough to imitate them. Last week, my territorial parish celebrated an ecumenical blessing service for newborns and small children. I asked why people don't at least try to talk to the parents about a baptism. Baptism would be so final. Parents would no longer want to tell their children what they will believe later on. Jägermeister, I need Jägermeister
Why don’t these German priests or bishops establish their own teachings and get excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Guess this is the prophecy of Schisms and apostasy in the Catholic church led by Satan to turn away souls to God and worship the Devil.
@@holdfast5332 I am now convinced that only lighthouse projects can change things. Most parishes are merged into large pastoral spaces, making re-evangelization even more difficult. And we need a new evangelization very urgently. Of the 30,000 or so Catholics still officially registered in my city, a maximum of 3,000 go to Holy Mass every week. It is estimated that 80% of them are over 50 years old or older. The city has 150,000 inhabitants. Even though this is historically a Protestant city, that's not much. What are lighthouse projects? A night of Eucharistic Adoration, for example. At World Youth Day in Cologne, many young people came into contact with the Eucharistic Lord for the first time and were blown away by his power. Today we have one of them as a priest in the neighboring parish. After World Youth Day, a community of young people gathered to organize a night of Eucharistic adoration once a month in the Cologne Cathedral. nightfever.org/en/our-story The Cistercians began resettlement campaigns in Germany. Starting from Heiligenkreuz Abbey and the very, very good university there, they founded monasteries in Bochum Stiepel and Neuzell. A new monastery is being built in Neuzell, as the old one is officially state property and is largely used for other purposes. The Lord is giving vocations there and I am very optimistic that not only a lighthouse, but an oasis in the secular desert will emerge there. www.zisterzienserkloster-neuzelle.de/?lang=en . Here is an insight into the gigantic project. ua-cam.com/video/V_J-I71u2KU/v-deo.html (switch subtitles to English). New communities are coming to Germany. One of these is the French Community of St. Martin -www.communautesaintmartin.org/en/- or the Communitiy of Jerusalem, which is repopulating and realigning old churches and monasteries. The FSSP is growing disproportionately. When there are vocations, they usually come from such communities, not from parishes. So if you are to judge by the fruits, that means to me that I look for one of these fruitful communities and support it instead of exhausting myself in endless discussions about blessing services or something similar in the territorial parish.
Those churches are leading people to hell, and the devil is celebrating. We need to pray for our entire church, and if your church is doing evil things you need to leave and find a church that stands true to the faith.godbless you and your family.
So, wouldn't a yes or no simply stop any questions? Pastoral counseling techniques should not concern laity and he should know that responding to the Dubia. A blessing confers approval of a situation that goes against God's Word. He knows this,clarity is essential, not intentional confusion.
I went down a path of atheism around the time I was supposed to get my confirmation. That lead me towards the cult of modern day gnosticism...but then a lot of situations happened that started deprogramming me from leftist ideology. I recently had a baby, and in the 10 months she's been alive she's encouraged me to go back to my faith, showed me God is present in my life and our family needs to grow closer to him. My husband and I are very concerned about all of the identity confusion in the world today, and we hope the church can be a place of clarity as we raise our child. The Pope, while I celebrated his progressive views when I was lost, was something that have me concern when we were deciding whether or not to have our baby baptized catholic. I'm glad the priest at our parrish has been speaking out against him during mass, because that really helped us feel more comfortable.
Francis is just out of control. He has forgotten it’s not his church but Jesus Christ church. Pray 🙏🏽 pray 🙏🏽 pray 🙏🏽 we all know what it will lead too.
If 5 Cardinals couldn't get the straight answer that they were looking for, what do you think the average lay Catholic is going to understand? That is why a "Yes" or "No" as the Cardinals wanted was a better approach.
Ryan S. is absolutely right, and was being charitable in his points. See it is possible to be charitable but talk about the Truth! 90% of the posts below seem to agree and the real true faithful in the Church are really upset about this whole thing and we need strong leadership from our bishops and priests. Fr. Rich, you are just wrong here. It's possible to be pastoral while maintaining Truth (and not being ambiguous). Obviously in your own example of the trans person, no good priest would slam the door and make the person feel unwelcome. But you cannot say or do anything to "affirm" such a delusion and let a person continue living in sin. Obviously the trans person may have already had an operation so there's no going back, so maybe for this example a gay person would be a better example. A pastoral response would be for a priest to help the person understand and accept the church teaching (and using discernment for pastoral care, no need to throw the book on first meeting) and guide the person to the right programs out there within the Church that help LGB people live either chastely or try to convert and live happy lives in straight marriage (maybe even with kids). It IS possible! This should be the response of the Church! For those practicing homosexuals who don't want to give up the sex. Ok fine, they should be welcome at Mass but not to receive communion because according to the Church's own teachings it would do them more harm than good, perhaps dooming them. There is plenty of grace to be had just sitting in the pews and hearing Truth and receiving the blessing everyone receives at the end. This isn't to single out homosexuals. It's this way with many things/sins. And yes, I once was a practicing homosexual living in terribly grave sin daily. I'm dating women now and I believe God willing I will have a wife and kids, and it will be to glorify God and His Church. What Pope Francis and much of the curia and the general liberal wing of the Church are doing is undermining God's glory to even bring about the transition I've seen in my life. But I was willing to hear, accept and take on the Church's teachings, not everyone is. The Pope cannot forget about those who hold fast to the Church's teachings, but it feels like he has.
I recommend you listen to Michael Lofton in Reason and Theology. It would be helpful to understand how morally reprehensible that the cardinals and bishops diverged a closed and private conversation into the public forum. How dare they cast the first stone against Pope Francis?
I recommend you read scripture. If thy eye offend thee, pluck it out. Pluck this sin from the church or suffer. Its simple. A man shouldn't lay with another man. Its simple.
@@existentialpoet8216 I have watched him before and I just plainly disagree with so much of what he says about the pope and what's going on. He is also a contortionist with his arguments, but he squirms less. Public or private, these are the discussions happening in the Church now, and in my opinion it would be *worse* if it were 100% private and we were all hit with whatever changes are obviously coming without a chance to really speak up about it. The Pope just met with Whoopi Goldberg, but has really come down hard on some of our more "hardline" clerics in America. That's everything you need to know. Hindsight won't look good on Bergoglio.
I love my Catholic faith I have been away from it for awhile and with the protestants side fir awhile Iove all my brother's and sisters. but I have been awaken from praying and leading me back to the true faith that was started by Jesus Christ 🙏 and I have learned alot because of the pandemic brought me back to the faith I was baptized in. We live in a very confused dark world and I pray for our brothers and sisters who are homosexual or confused about being male or female ..I love Father Rich and agree that he is helping those he can through pastoral care .to show love and kindness and support and love Pope Francis, it is not easy and the Devil loves to attack us all but we keep on fighting and praying to help all we can. In the end God will prevail just we got to keep praying and helping where we can. Father Chris Alar and the Marian Father's also explain the faith so clearly it has taught me so much. I am a sinner but I am working to being the Saint God calls us to be so we can all be in his kingdom one day for ever.thats really what matters for us all..and I keep praying for all the holy souls in purgatory ❤🙏❤
The cathlics is not the true faith and watching this tells me they are not the bible is in black and whight so we should not deviate from it God destroyed the people in sodom because of it’s disgusting practice Ed God does not change so no religion should weaken there faith by excepting to water down what bible says
I think the answer is clear: it's a no, but pastorally don't shun them away. Sometimes confused people want to be pushed away to sort of clear themselves from the decision. With compassion, love, patience, etc., they may live in a way back to the original teachings.
I’m just tired of bending into an intellectual pretzel to defend Pope Francis and try to make what he says make sense. I’m tired of taking up the struggle w my teens to dress modestly for mass just to have a homily where the priest says “who am I to judge. At least you are here” just to have me teen look over at me like “I told you so.” I guarantee this ambiguity will cost souls. Maybe not over the modesty issue but this is a slippery slope and when we take it seriously to teach our children to live and learn the faith and our clergy doesn’t have our back on so many issues. This issue is the tip of the iceberg and it’s extremely discouraging as a Catholic parent and honestly we need our priest to men. With regards to the confession analogy - there is a huge difference. When you go to confession there is zero doubt that you and the priest are CLEAR that the sin you confess is a sin. The compassion and pastoral part rests on that understanding. That is vastly different than saying “can you bless my laptop that I use for porn please?” Are you kidding me? Nobody would accuse a priest of not being pastoral if he said no to that request. And I say this as someone would would NOT consider myself as Uber orthodox or black and white on many issues. But this is ludicrous.
I have a different perspective. I see it from a public relations perspective, the LGBT people I know almost instinctively feel rejected from Church life. As if there is no room for them to live and grow in their faith slowly at their own rythm, as if the only option for them is total sin like they give up there's no walking with Christ because Christ doesn't want them. This reputation is horrible for their salvation, I think you would agree. The Holy Father is making sure the Catholic Church does not have that reputation by allowing a discussion (guided by prudence) on the blessing of two persons as they walk with Christ even through their struggle.
@@VirginMostPowerfull Preach it! I'm a Side B Christian (ie. is LGBT but loves Jesus enough to live chastely - just like every other Christian, according to their station), and I feel like I've had to barricade myself in the closet to protect myself from people in the Church who act like they're ready to waterboard in the holy water font for the way I dress or the pronouns I use. Plot twist: I love the Latin Mass, as do a lot of ultra-conservative Catholics. A lot of LGBT Catholics love the Latin Mass as well, but like me, have to bunker down in the closet. I would love to see a day when we can go to a full High Mass with all the smells and bells and panoply while being fully honest about who we are. I'd love to walk into the fellowship after Mass whilst wearing a 1940s style men's suit and be warmly greeted, rather than getting weird looks or overhearing hushed talk about "the gays" as if were the boogyman (I've wondered of Rad Trad parents threaten their kids with "the gays" in the same manner, ie. "Eat your vegetables, Stephen Benedict, or you'll be too weak to run away from the gays", or some rot like that).
@@MatrixRefugee I’m really confused by your statement. You claim to be an individual who lives chastely and rejects the LGBT lifestyle in favor of Christ (most excellent! There are many married men who could learn what acting and being chaste means), But then you go into a discussion about having to hide who you are or what you wear (you mention 1940’s suits). Most men who attend the Latin mass wear suits? Why or how would they know you are different than any other man there?
If homosexuals saw their sexuality for the cross that it is then they would ask for individual blessings to bear such a cross. They would not ask for a blessing of the union. What same sex couple would ask for a blessing of their union in order for them to no longer engage in homosexual acts with each other?? If the Church’s intent is to bless the union then the Church would be attempting to bless sin. God will set this straight.
You make an appeal to the Catechism, which we as Catholics usually do. However, as we have seen during this Pontificate, the pope can change the teaching of the CCC at a whim, even completely reversing former teaching (as was done with regard to capital punishment). So, your appeal is to what the Catechism says now. But what will it say in the future? That remains to be seen. And that is frightening!
I can't believe an issue so clearly defined in the bible is what is going to split the church this time. So avoidable if we had real men running the church. But they will realize only god has the final say.🙏
As a parent, it's our job to set the standard for a child. You tell them the rules, very clearly. There's nothing that hurts children more than to have one parent say one thing, the other day another,they don't know if they're going to get in trouble or not, and very unsure and anxious. Yes the sheep will run off, you love them period, but you let them know where they stand, where Mom and Dad stand. Then they can be happy when they do right and feel bad when they know what's bad. You love them either way, but Jesus spoke the truth about Go and Sin no More, and about a real Hell. Give a person high expectations and they typically meet them, be wishy washy, and they'll be confused and unhappy. We are God's children. We need to know where we stand. You think that people will run away from hard truth, but they won't forever. If they choose to go lukewarm, that gets stressful. They get to a point they want God's stability. Give it to them as parents, give it to us as God's children. These conversations are what everybody already knows, but everybody trying to be politically correct. Satan's is in our lukewarmness tiptoeing around I'm ok you're ok.
The Pope knows what he is doing. Look at the actions he has made with great Bishops and priests. Requesting them to resign or be removed from their positions. Read, pray, and ponder Psalm 1:1-2 then Revelation 21:6-8.
The question is regarding homosexual relationships, not the idea of homosexual marriage. Blessing a homosexual relationship is condoning homosexual acts. Otherwise why bless the so-called union? Instead why not just bless the individuals? This has yet to be answered.
Patience and kindness should of course prevail. Still, keep in mind that misery loves company, and don’t let others draw you into their sin. Great show - thank you gentlemen.
So here is my thing. I went to confession recently and had confessed having had pre martial sex with the woman I was living with and in a relationship with. The priest asked if I was still living with her and I said no we weren’t together anymore. And he said good because he couldn’t absolve me of my sins if I was still living with her in sin. How can anyone bless a gay couple if they are in fact still going to choose to stay together living in sin!?!?! Makes no sense
I’m gay and a practicing Catholic and not sorry. In fact I recently joined the Conformity of the Brown Scapular. Oh I’m sure there’s some frumpy women with time on their hands who are saying, “then you’re not Catholic”. Neither are you-judge lest you be judged.
The one major issue you have seem to miss placed is “ sex outside of marriage is a grave sin“. Why would you bless two men or women that are committing grave sins. Please, I really need an answer to this.
For most cases I would say, not all but most, gay couples seeking a blessing aren't seeking help or guidance, they're seeking validation. I am reminded of the compassion, tenderness, patience, and understanding John the Baptist (who of women, no greater man has been born) showed to Herod in regard to his adulterous marriage
Hello Valerio. I don't call it ambiguity. More than 50% of what comes out of Bergoglio's Mouth, or his Pen, is DOUBLE-TALK. He does his best to try to fool the Laity with this. The Bishops know this also, but, many of them are to cowardly to speak the Truth. Emily And I Have Been Married for 55+ Years, And, I Love Her More Today Than Ever Before.
@@lowrhyan567 By the way not any act which is not aimed of reproduction is sin. I’m 65 and my wife is 64 and our sexual acts are not likely be for reproduction.
I understood the Pope and found no problem in what he said either. I believe he speaking about being merciful to the sinner by giving a blessing to those who want to amend their lives but not condoning the sin.
Unfortunately I dont think, in this instance, the problem is with people not reading the Popes response. I read it and had all the concerns with it even trying to find a reason to defend it.
Michael Lofton from "Reason and Theology" just did a show, discussing your video, about if Pope Francis is allowing blessings for gay unions. It was a charitable take on your show. He did clarify some things. I find it interesting how we form a relationship with our podcast host. When I saw that Michael Lofton was going to do a show about "The Catholic Talk Show" ... I felt my "right hook (ha)" starting to form....but wasn't needed. Michael Lofton was charitable... Especially at a time when so many people, in the Church, want to attack our Pope 😪 and I was proud of you guys... you spoke honestly, and most importantly, you spoke respectfully! 🤗
Great discussion. There was a point at the 38:27 mark where Father says "I don't want to say this is what the pope is saying if he is not saying that...." He confirmed with this statement that the document is confusing and even though he may try and justify that it lines up with the catechism, in reality it opens the door for some folks to implement their own agenda in this area. The question for me is was this done intentionally or not. What would this blessing of same sex couples look like? If it is done publicly, in front of the congregation, it will look like a marriage ceremony and create scandal by making it look like the church condones sodomy. If you bless the relationship privately, do you encourage the couple to be chaste? If folks are uncomfortable with the blessing of same sex couples in the church, will they be labelled as rigid? Why did these cardinals write this dubia? Is it because there is confusion coming out of the synod or is because some in the hierarchy don't believe that sodomy is a sin because they are homosexual and believe that God made them that way? The response creates more questions than it answers. Please pray for the church, live the example of the churches teaching on sexuality, and go to confession often. God Bless.
I think if you're asked a direct question, don't respond with a squirrely answer. When some asks for the light, don't give them a dim light that will get you lost.
To bless a person is fine, but a same sex UNION is wrong. It makes a sin look acceptable. This is bad for our children. Be kind to and help people struggling with any attraction to sin. When we have a temptation to sin, no matter what it is, we gain grace by avoiding it.
@@marynadononeillThis Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths. Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope. Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics. Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall ua-cam.com/users/shortseeD4AAW_rbc?si=XZtEWjn4FoS7g-Qg
I'm from Belgium and our bishops have written out a "liturgy" for the "blessing" of same-sex unions. Aside from it being problematic that the bishops are making this "blessing" official, it's basically the liturgy of a wedding, where at the moment of the sacramental blessing of marriage, they "bless" the same-sex union. For an outsider, or a badly catechised catholic, it looks like a marriage ceremony.
@@dorcas4035 What are priests blessing when giving marriage to senior couples or non-fertile couples . Marriage is more than sex for reproduction. So is a same-sex couple more than its sexual relationship.
@@thomasgriebel9485Marriage in Christ Church according to His teaching is between a man & a Woman. Happy Advent & May the Light of the Lord shine upon you to understand His teachings better on this area🙏💜
Friendships don't normally seek out an official Church blessing. Here, I think it's clear that "they" -- the "couple" would be looking for a "green light" to continue in a homosexual relationship--which would naturally include sexual relations. I love this episode! Thank you so much for addressing this and I think you all did a great job of dissecting the questions, the Pope's answer and the Catechism's fundamental truths as taught by the Church.
Does it specify as a couple? Or is that being inserted and assumed? And if the Church doesnt recognize their union does it matter if they are presenting themselves for blessing individually together? Why is everyone turning this blessing into a wedding when it's clearly stated it cannot be?
Obviously, blessings of gay 'couples' shall become a semi Catholic gay marriage to the gay community. Pope Francis wrote that these blessings shouldn't be seen as a marriage. Obviously, it consists of the blessing of two people; a blessing of a single person couldn't be misunderstood as a marriage; one can't marry oneself.
@@jamesdooley2221I think people are hyper focused on this sin and it makes them cringe against the people involved in it's grasp. The Pope is leading us to be the Church. Not to be the meager ration keepers of grace.
If two of our kids in a heterosexual relationship were living together, we'd be eager for them to have hands laid on them to be blessed. We wouldn't be worried about them presenting themselves together in their sinful state. Why is that?
I’m SSA but I extracted myself from a relationship and became celibate. This is what those like Father miss, yes I can be blessed but you CAN’T bless ‘union’ if they are not willing to leave the union, like Milo did. It’s nice to be pastored by a priest who gives me support for the choice I make every day but if I were to go back into a relationship, he could not give us a blessing so I can then go to Holy Communion. Same thin g is happening with divorce and remarried; I know a couple the man has been married 3 times and only the first was annulled and he doesn’t want to leave his current wife when they are living in sin and wish to go to Communion;; the Synod is pushing that this should be blessed and approved but they want to continue living in this relationship, so how does he go to confession saying I’m not going to turn away from my sin but still go to Communion
Thanks for sharing! I saw you commented on my other post. It's a tough road! Was formerly exclusively SSA as well. I think God's giving me a chance at marriage to a woman, so keep praying/fasting/surrounding yourself with that if you would like that as well! God is very good and wants the best for us. But yea, it's insane watching the Catholic Church turn into what looks like the Episcopal Church. Maybe people like us need to come out of the woodwork more to make ourselves known so the Church better realizes that it has actual adherents to the faith who are SSA who need real shepherding and not scandalizing. It probably wouldn't matter because the Holy Father has his agenda.
I do feel for those who struggle with homosexuality, I think sins of the " flesh" straight or not are probably the most difficult to overcome. But it seems that when the sin is same-sex related God has a more severe condemnation and saying it is an abomination before Him. I know that the Church has blessed many for their state of health and other reasons. However blessing those who are not willing to change from their sinful ways will not be pleasing to God and His blessings they will not be granted.
Not really. What they are saying here is thay Francis is NOT blessing the union (marriage) of homosexual acts. He us blessing the human as a son or daughter. Which is what Jesus commanded.
@@darrellperez1029 there is a sun called the sin of Scandal in which the rank file who don’t have a strong handle on the more complex issues don’t understand what is happening and lose their faith. I think he is disconnected from the fact that his words are being twisted and people are just deeply confused
I appreciate all the inputs the three hosts put on the table. I entered the conversation as a Ryan Scheele, in the middle I was more of a Fr. Richard Pagano, but ended up having the same thoughts as Ryan Delacrosse.
Loved this episode, I mean it didn't bring some kind of clarity to me, still think the Popes response is ambiguous, I can relate though with Scheel's concerns, but thanks for letting me know I'm not alone in my line of thoughts in this teachings. Saludos desde Monterrey Mexico!
‼️‼️we are all God’s children and God would bless us all as we strive to follow Him. PS. Most of the Catholic priests are closeted gays having flings with each other
I don't think that "lifestyle" is an appropriate word. It assumes that all homosexuals live the same lifestyle. That is wrong. I think, as in the case of my son and his husband, they want the Church to accept their humanity and not ostracize them from the Church family in which they were raised.
The truth is the truth, and to not live it makes someone open to the possibility of going to hell. The truth is marriage is between a man and a woman. Civil unions are not marriage at all. Do your son a favor and warn him of his sins. It is not too far of a stretch to say that anyone who dies in the state of mortal sin (regardless the mortal sin) stands a good chance of going to hell for all eternity. Where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out. Rather than accepting and tolerating your son's sin, pray for him and make known to him that his soul is most likely in jeopardy. Read Ezekiel 33. Does God love your son? Yes. But we all are called to love God back. God is God we are not. Our love for Good is proven by our obedience to His commands. Love your son enough to try and pray him out of his sin, Just as St Monica did with St Augustine.
@@RestoreJustice675 You and I would agree that sacramental marriage is between a man and a woman. Civil marriage is about equal treatment under the law, which is something completely different. My son and his husband obey the law and pay their taxes. They should have the same rights under civil LAW. If you cannot understand the difference, we don't have a lot to talk about. As for your hellfire and damnation comment, I think you will be every bit as surprised as the next Pharisee that God cares far more about the love and compassion we show each other rather than focusing on the splinter in some LGBTQ person's eye rather than the plank in your own.
As a catholic from Wisconsin: I struggle with same sex attraction but I never act on it because it’s a mortal sin, God called me to live a chaste life. I follow and obey the church and bible’s position on homosexuality.
You are one of the suffering souls that can reach heavenly glory.your angel is very happy for you MARY MOTHER OF GOD IS CARING FOR YOU
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@@ronaldjackson9521 amen to that. I Ask St Joseph and other Chasity Saints to pray for me everyday on this issue, i also ask my guardian angel to distract me with clean and pure things like Walks outside, work, Video Games and Watching Movies and TV Shows with no Sex and Nudity. im on the 1st month currently.
Disgusting, push me, pull you.
As someone who used to struggle with homosexuality, the reason I became Catholic last spring is because of its clear teachings on the matter! I realized that Jesus and my salvation was way more important than the desires of my flesh. So I picked up my cross and I’m following Jesus! You CANNOT love God and at the same time demand for your sin to be blessed!! Those people who want their homosexual relationships blessed do NOT love God. I know this because I personally lived through it. When you truly love God, you will SACRIFICE your personal desires with joy! And don’t kid yourselves, even if nobody told you that it’s a sin, the Holy Spirit will always reveal that it is!! Gay sex is a grave sin! Period! So to give that up for God is an incredible opportunity to become a Saint! It’s the best gift we can give to Him. So again, we carry our cross and we follow Christ! So yes, like others, I am also a little disappointed that the pope was not very clear on these blessings. He MUST be clear! It seems like the pope is trying to please the world and that is a grave mistake. The Church is not of this world and never will be and therefore has to be clear on things like grave sins! And gay people need to know the reality of what salvation is, what it means and that it’s not a joke!
@@matildafrancis2288 I love God.
Amen to all of this. Perfectly stated. ❤
I couldn't have said it better myself, thank you for putting your story out there. I'm sure it will help many others.
I struggle alot with Catholicism it has its own set of laws not from the Bible. The Church is the bride of Christ. It must be pure not spotted or speckled, there is no compromise with Christ.
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I agree with you 💯. As a Catholic I am really disappointed. You said it well. The church is not for the world! Trying to please the world in this matter will creat frustration and hughe distraction across the globe! Atlest not this season of Christmas!! Goosh😢
And I gotta say...the fact that you guys can devote a whole episode to trying to figure out the Pope's response just shows how dangerous his ambiguity is.
exactly
Amen!
There was nothing ambiguous about Pope Francis' answer. Listen to Fr. Rich. He knew absolutely what the Holy Father was talking about. The "ambiguity" comes from the dishonest commentators who are making the Holy Father's clear statements ambiguous so they can criticize him
Yes Father Rich’s explanations were right on the money and easiest for me to understand 🙏 I love this show I have learned so much I have an incurable spinal cord disease and am trying to clear my soul. When I watched the episode on confession it had me going back 40 years to make sure I didn’t miss any sins I was driving myself crazy! But I’m feeling much more clean finally!🙏
I don’t see it that way I think their explanations explained it quite easier to understand why the Pope said what he did
Listening to this conversation really illustrates what Fulton Sheen meant by "The Church will be saved by the laity" My heart really goes out to this Priest. I will be dedicating a decade of a Rosary for him and all Priests who are in need of friends like these who can speak the truth without ambiguity, and who can help Priests to have more courage in the face of this great confusion within the Church . These Priests need our prayers!!! Please like if you will be joining me. God Bless.
Fulton Sheen was a bishop when psychologists used ice picks to lobotomize gay men. He had to have known of this and yet he said nothing. I'm glad you find him such a great bishop, but I hope you understand that unlike you, I do know think that giving lobodomies with ice picks to "end" homosexuality in many of the 50 states during his reign as bishop is at all helpful.
I must add that excluding LGBT's from the Catholic Church is NOT saving it. I must disagree with you. Heterosexuals can have their synods in which they invite not ONE LGBT and talk ABOUT them behind their back, but straight people talking evil about LGBT's is not "saving" the church. Two straight man and a priest can discuss until they are blue in the face about how evil homosexuals are is not going to save the church. In fact, it is lack of discussion and only enrages. I'm sorry, but I don't think the church's present hatred and the hatred they have extended to LGBT's for the past two thousand years is going to end well. I think you may be misunderstanding the silence of LGBT's. I don't look forward to what is coming. I"m glad you see it as something positive, but what I hear spoken about Catholics and be coming is not something I look forward to at all. But, alas, talking about people behind their back, attacking them for 2000 years, criticizing them mercilessly is not how you "save" the church. But alas, Mary's immaculate heart will reign in the end. But until that time arrives...well...we'll see.
Well, in the end times, there will be priests people will follow, all the way to hell. They aren’t the faithful priests. The faithful will know who to follow.
We are together my dia
@@user-vd3bf3nd6rHow do you know that he had to have known this? Where's the evidence? You should be very careful not calumniate someone's name or reputation, least not a Venerable in the Church... From your response, I imagine thus, that you're not a professing Catholic... Nonetheless, i pray that God may grant you peace in your heart.
An hour of mental gymnastics. Lord have mercy. I pray these gentlemen receive the grace of courage and call a spade a spade.
I agree with bro in the middle on clarity. People need to understand what’s right and wrong regardless of whether or not it’s tender or understanding.
Thank goodness, a least one Catholic talk show is not afraid to address the issue.
Yes
The podcast "Reason and Theology" reviewed this very issue three weeks ago. VERY interesting.
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God didn't created same sex marriages #Godfirst🙏
How can anyone take seriously a show with a bunch of bobble heads on the table? I'm embarrassed at the Catholic faith at this point. Obsessed with graven idols big and small.
@peekaboots01 statues of people who have perfect Ted themsleves in Christ are not graven idols because we all know they are not God and not worshipped. Maybe your confused? Pagans worship graven images intentionally such as Hinduism. Wake up
I think the fact that you can have an over hour long show and still come to opposing interpretations of the problem highlights exactly what the problem is.
Oh my goodness, you've summed it up better than anyone else has
It's our church , not just his church, as you just said . Yes, God has appointed him the head , but it's our church, too . Thank you, Caroline Regina Cywinski. ❤
That's where you are seriously mistaken!!! Because the pope has been declared infallible no one can reprove him and there is no recourse to the bible because "The Church" defines "Traditon" - which the rcc has made the guiding light instead of the bible. Sola scriptura has been discarded in favor of what "The Church" says. "The Church" is the Vatican, and the vatican adheres to what the pope decrees with the blessing of all is leftist appointees. The rcc is going the way of Sodom - there's no stopping it.
As a faithful follower in Christ we entrust the lord to work through the holy farther pope Francis..he has been advised by god to try and heal the church. I stand buy pope Francis.. as a follower it is not hour church to chime in on the gospel or the direction it takes biblically.. we are a human feebleminded, weak and unworthy it’s hour job to obey not take a role in the doctrine of the church.. that is blasphemy and heresy..its not hour church it’s the lord gods house and we sit in it for his love and forgiveness not to mouth hour opinions..!!!!!!
I agree sometimes we forget to love our brothers and sisters and we judge them and show hate because of our differences
Thank you for watching everyone!
❤ thank you for talking about this.
Thank you for the great talk.
I'm German and living in a same sex partnership. We try to live according to the teachings of the church. As you know the times being a faithful Catholic in Germany is a hard one, especially concerning the homosexual theme.
As the first headlines appeared that the pope allowed the blessing of same sex partnerships we were concerned and wanted to prove that information in the original text. We both came to the same conclusion as you guys. Both of us are aware of the fact that we live in a irregular relationship. But in love to our God and the church we decided to give our best to live our lives as regular as possible. We know that it's impossible to reach the highest goal of following Christ as it should be, but we do our best on our way to heaven. Besides the catechism already gives us what to follow and suggest also the way of compassion as written by Pope Francis in this actual letter.
Thank you for your sensitive analysis of this case and the careful remembrance of two sides, the people living this burden and the people who have to deal with their siblings in Christ who have not an easy way up front to follow our Lord and Saviour on their way to heaven. I could feel the love for the neighbour, as we are called to, in your answers and am thankful that I can call you brothers in Christ. This hour gave me hope and strength to carry on. Good bless you for your work 🙏🏻
@@Schimmi289It’s not impossible at all. It’s entirely possible to get to the point where you only commit venial sins unintentionally. It requires acceptance of great suffering, but remember the cross comes before the resurrection. God bless you, and I’ll pray for you, and hope you do the same for me!
@@Schimmi289You can’t live according to God’s law while willfully engaging in homosexual acts. Likewise, unmarried heterosexuals cannot live according to God’s law while engaging in sexual acts with the opposite sex without first being married in the eyes of God. Your homosexuality is certainly a heavy cross to bear. There is absolutely no denying that but the cross must not be indulged in. I feel for your situation as you did not choose your sexuality but you must remember that crosses are not usually chosen by the bearer. I will pray for you and your friend.
By the way, I’m a heterosexual male who’s been unsuccessfully engaged twice. The first woman died of drug overdose and the second was an extremely unstable narcissist. I’ve come to the realization that sadly I may never get married and have a family, but if that’s God’s will then it wouldn’t matter at that point if I’m straight or not. My sexuality would be completely irrelevant since I cannot engage in sexual acts outside of marriage. My point is that I choose God over my sexual desires and over my own loneliness through singlehood.
@@GovtWatchdog I thank you for this answer of compassion. As I wrote that we live according to the teachings of the church and the catechism I included that we live in chastity. We both discussed this and came to the conclusion, that we would not have this partnership bless to be a trophy for disobedience of priests and bishops in Germany. But it's encouraging to get a blessing as child of God to get along with this burden. And even if it is a heavy cross to bear I am looking forward to days off joy after leaving this valley of tears. It is definitely not an easy way and good knows I feel the sting in my flesh every day. I don't know why the easy way wasn't for me but I trust in God and his plans for there must be a reason. Thank you for your prayers and your lovely message! I'll include you in my prayers, too.
Hey Fr. Pagano, fellow Jax resident here. I have struggled with SSA most of my adult life. Ever since joining the Catholic church through RCIA, and cooperating with the Holy Spirit to find reverent, devout (and often traditional) Catholic church communities, I have actually felt differently and have experienced conversion, and have even had relationships with women now. I am inspired by the men I've met at my current parish, many of whom are my age (still fairly young) with 4, 5 or more children already, living faith-centered lives according to the Catholic faith.
What's upsetting me as someone who wants to live a faithful devout life according to the doctrines of our Catholic faith is this confusion coming from Rome. It's too much of a contrast to see the devout Catholic community and what they're about and how they live their lives, and this modernist lukewarm Catholic faith promoted by Rome that often seems to contradict what the church has taught for millennia, and what is clearly written in scripture.
Not every SSA person is going to want to convert. Not every fornicator is going to want to stop. Some men will always lie. Unfortunately there are those who don't want to accept the Church's or Jesus's teachings.
Now I agree there's a way to be pastoral and truly caring while still firmly holding to what is True. This ambiguity is a real problem and if I weren't where I'm at in my progress, it might have even destroyed me if this happened earlier during my faith journey.
How do you answer that? What if I took these signals from Rome to mean I wouldn't be able to live chastely or maybe even have a wife, and I just give up and be a lukewarm non-practicing Catholic? By the Church's own teachings I'd be heaping judgment on myself taking communion in grave sin and I'd be doomed to perdition at death!
This is a life and death matter and the faithful and those who want to adhere to the faith need more pastoral care than what we're getting.
Nailed it.
See my post also an ssa man who remains but has remained celibate and left a relationship. For us pastoral care is vital but no blessing or Communion to those who don’t want to turn away from their relationship and sex in it, this is what many priests believe should show ‘pastoral’ care-it’s a lie
@@Bayouboynkansas prayers for you brother and thanks for sharing. The Church is now pretending people like us don't even exist within it. Those who don't want to be called to holiness are getting attention from the Church, and those who are putting in a lot of work to adhere to the faith and Church teaching, and probably likewise faithfully and frequently receiving the Sacraments and tithing and contributing to the church life in some way, get ignored from Rome and by progressive priests and bishops. It's very backwards. Time to get more vocal about this issue...
Excuse my ignorance, but what is SSA?
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Same sex attraction.
He and Cardinal Fernandez already made it clear that the Church is not changing anything. People can be blessed if they are seeking help from God to live a holy life (bless me, Father, for i have sinned..) but the Church CANNOT bless/approve sin, including same-sex unions.
They would have to be in confession 12 times a day. This sin is an abomination. No. Just no.
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Why can't the pope just say NO. Quit top toeing around it and making his answer so deep and confusing. It's in the Bible. Lack of clarity here is so obvious. Dude in the middle is giving the answers I need. Can't bless gay relationships/marriages but love them. Love all people. Saints or sinners.
Yes language is key
As a conservative christian I believe we must tell the truth of God we must-reach the GOOD NEWS ---yet we must also call a sin a sin. And love is what brings people to commit to Jesus faster than brimstone & fire.
Ryan S, you put into words so well what many of the faithful laity want to express. There are many wonderful and admirable things about our Holy Father, but unfortunately his legacy has become the pope of confusion.
Thank you all for taking time to discuss this and yes, call us to prayer. 🙏🏽
Our pope needs the be clear, regardless if he's Pastoral or not, it's not wise to slap his hand and move on. More Laity need to speak up.
confusion since day 1. Not a very good communicator or an impostor. You decide.
The Pope already said that same sex unions are sin, and he said you cannot bless sin.
Ok but there are pictures and videos out there of German priests with rainbow stoles blessing obviously gay couples on the steps of churches. It's very obvious what they're doing. So if the Holy Father means what he said, he should put an end to that and not have this crazy synod that has everybody confused and alarmed. Actions speak louder than words!
@@JohnSimmonsification can't control a whole synod of bishops if they refuse to fall in line. He could excommunicate them, but that would cause schism and loss of church property.
@@JohnSimmonsification Germans have a church tax so the German church is extremely powerful hence I think the power goes to their head amidst the cultural influence over there. They might feel like they don't need Rome and would stand against the Pope's authority.
I think the reason he was asked the questions in the format that they were asked is simply because he has the pope. Promoted Sister Janine and Father James Martin, who are from new Ways ministries father, James Martin believes that the Bible is wrong when it comes to the question of homosexual, he does not believe it is sin. and he’s not talking about the site or the attraction he is, however, talking about the act of having sex. sister Jeanine Has similar thoughts. I do believe the media might be taking advantage of this however, if the priests are allowed to bless the individuals publicly, I believe that would also cause a scandal, even if it is unintended. pray for the church and pope Francis
You haven't noticed he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? Sometimes in the same paragraph?
43:13 Wow, what a condescending thing for these two priests to say. We parishioners absolutely have a right to know what is going on within the Church, and given all that’s gone on in the Church lately, I’d say that oversight by parishioners is needed now more than ever. Sorry to disappoint you but we will be watching this extremely closely.
So much homosexuality abuse of children has been uncovered in the church. I think the devil is in control!!
I have been waiting to hear exactly what the pope had to say. Your sharing of this in the way you have made much more sense than what the “gossip “ about it has been. The pastoral approach absolutely makes sense to me. Bless the person not the marriage. The kindness and tenderness of the pastoral approach is right.
This made so much sense. There are several same sex unions in our family. I totally agree that they need pastoral care and love, just as our family does give them love, counsel and inclusion. The reality as far as doctrine, is that, as much as they want a “marriage” or a blessing, the church cannot do either. It is not because we don’t have empathy, it is because we cannot lead a soul to sin. God bless you! I love the show.
Oh, but it can. Now.
We already have a blessing for people in these relationships. It is called the sacrament of confession. This is true pastoral care!
Truth
Very well said! A blessing of a gay couple is just a way of facilitating their path to eternal suffering away from God.
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This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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Confession and penance!
I can't verify the source, but I think it was Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer who said, "It is not a mercy to confirm someone in sin." This is wisdom. Opening the door to "blessing" same-sex marriage can. not. be. an act of pastoral mercy. (And Scheele is right on target.)
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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and the Pope has not said anyone can bless a same sex marriage...
No one is talking about marriage. That has been made clear from the start.
We shouldn’t need talk shows to explain the Pope. No offense to you guys, you rock. The Pope needs to come out and clarify himself so that people stop questioning him and loosing faith because of potential scandal.
This is what I say. Did Saint Pius X need explainers?
No need to explain if there are no people like you who do not misinterpret what Pope Francis actually means despite the Holy Father has already clearly explained himself.
Because there's 99 talk shows & podcats brainwashing what the Pope has said... I don't mind 1 or 2 in opposition explaining the situation.
@@brillanteslaw2921 clearly not if he needs explanation. I haven’t accused the Pope of saying anything misinterpreted. I’m simply observing the reality that he isn’t clear enough or takes some concerning avenues of answering questions.
Be careful throwing out accusations like that. Not everyone thinks he’s an Anti Pope or something ridiculous, it’s ok to criticize yet still believe he’s a legitimate Pope.
Exactly!
Yes. Stop playing games . Yes or No. Compassion yes. Marriage -one man and one woman - Only. No Same-Sex Marriages.
I agree, clarity is so important!! Truly loving someone is telling them the truth, not giving false hope. Scheel is right
He just met with Whoopie Goldberg and she praised him . When the world loves you something is wrong. You should hear her comments. I think you know what he means but are afraid to say it. It’s clear not vague. Pastoral? If it’s sin it’s sin and they should be told the truth and led to repentance. Their eternal soul is at stake gentlemen.
the Pope knows that the media and activists have a habit of reinterpreting his words in the most convenient way to their cause. and despite all that, he still kept his answer in a way that can be misinterpreted by them. that will be the biggest hit to his legacy: people twist his words to push changes to Catholic Church.
Yup
If the Pope doesn't hold the line, who will?
@@suzyjago4036amen
he doesn't do much to prevent it
Any media outlet with an agenda will go out of their way to reinterpret people. It doesn't matter how clear they are. I suppose Pope Francis has room to improve, as do we all, but at the end of the day, all the clarity in the world will be wasted if it falls on people who refuse to hear anything other than what they want to hear. People who are determined to find fault with Pope Francis included.
This is also not a one-off type response. Pope Francis has made many statements throuout his time. Recently his removal of pro-life priest from the preisthood and severely limiting the Latin Mass are other decisions that seem like an attack on many within the faith. These actions seem far from pastoral.
I agree! It seems like Fr Frank Pavone didn’t really get an explanation nor an opportunity to defend himself before the defrocking. Also, the devil hates Latin.
I think we should follow our Lord's teaching. Repent and believe in the gospel
My grandson is in a same sex union . I love him and wish him every happiness in this life and hope for his everlasting happiness In Heaven
sure, but look what the "good" book bible says about homosexuals
Are you letting him know his relationship is a sin against God and he will go to hell if he doesn’t change or are you an Ally? Hopefully the former.
@@jamesagnew6512 yeah, ever wondered where that "scary" boogie hell is?
IDC if he didn’t say it verbatim, THIS ENTIRE SYNOD IS ABOUT CONFORMING TO THE WORLD. He’s flirting with the devil. The fact he hasn’t outright said “NO” to gay marriage is a BIG PROBLEM
Clearly, he just said no, it's not hard to understand. What makes it confusing is all the people distorting his words to condemn him. The bible is misinterpreted all the time. It doesn't mean the bible is unclear. It means the devil is trying to distort it.
Bergoglio is creating his own "church" where everyone will be welcome and there will be no dogmas and sin will no longer exist. AKA a One World Religion.
The Pope has a responsibility to be clear on this issue. It is not just one among many, it is the issue of our day and with whole cultures being swept up in its demonic deception, the Pope has a duty not to leave room for people to interpret it as permissible in any way.
He's bringing in Chrislam
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Stop reading our Pope with so much suspicion, evil suspicions is a sin that is listed in Sacred Scripture. I was with you, I listened to the wrong people, like lifesite news and Taylor Marshal, and these people are the CNN of Catholic news, they lie and give half truths in order to push there narrative against the Pope.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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This Pope is an abomination
@@mrswilbertWell if that’s true, there will be no question about the acceptance of homosexual unions. Not acceptable in Islam.
@@Cardiopro for 2000 years it wasn't acceptable in Catholicism, either.
I love you guys and LOVE your show! My faith and understanding has grown so much because of this show. THANK YOU!
I can never ever accept this popes reassessment of scripture. God is the same yesterday today and forever he does not change.
Pope Francis No Accept The Blessing Under The Sacrament Of Marriage! Of People of The Same Sex!
Pope Francis Tells Parents of LGBTQ Children: “Never Condemn a Child”
The pope’s advice is similar to the advice has been going to church leaders and pastoral minister who encounter LGBT people: Listen. Don’t break off relationship. Continue to love. Allow the person to speak. His reference to “homosexual tendencies” to describe a person with a gay or lesbian orientation is a common reference some church leaders use. Unfortunately, it is not the way that the major of lesbian and gay people refer to themselves. And even more problematic, the term seems to imply that homosexuality is about behavior and actions, not about the constitutional way someone was created by God to be in relationship with other people and to express and receive love.
In Resume: That child has the right to a family,’ he said. ‘Don’t chase them away from the family.’ “
When He Talk About Family is His own Family Parent And Sisters or Brothers: Don’t Excluded From Their Family only because he is gay or Lesbian. They Need Love From His Or Her Blood Family!
Can You Tell Me What Happen To Sodoma And Gorroma?
Why GOD Destroyed?
Hey boys! CONGRATS to you guys for being brave enough to cover this topic. You guys have played a role in my path back to the Eucharist... THANK YOU!!
Is praying the rosary scriptural?
Praying the rosary is promoted within the Catholic Church as a means of strengthening one’s faith, resisting evil, growing spiritually, and generally benefiting society. While some of the prayer of the rosary is scriptural, the whole second half of the “Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary, (2) addressing her as “holy,” or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.”
Praying the rosary involves giving attributes to Mary that the Bible never gives her. To call Mary “holy”-the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned or had any taint of original sin-is not biblical. The Bible calls all believers “saints,” which can be interpreted as “holy ones,” but Scripture says that the righteousness believers have is the imputed righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21). In this life, no one is yet sanctified from sin in practice (1 John 1:9-2:1). Jesus is called our Savior repeatedly in Scripture because He saved us from our sin. In Luke 1:47, Mary calls God her “Savior.” Savior from what? A sinless person does not need a Savior. Sinners need a Savior. Mary acknowledged that God was her Savior. Therefore, Mary acknowledged that she was a sinner.
Jesus came to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21). The Roman Catholic Church claims that Mary was saved from sin differently from everyone else-that she was saved from sin through the immaculate conception (her being conceived free of sin). But is this teaching scriptural? The Roman Catholic Church openly admits that this doctrine is not found in Scripture. When a young man addressed Jesus as “good Master” (Matthew 19:16-17), Jesus asked why he called Him “good” since there is none good but one, God. Jesus was trying to make the young man aware that he was using the term good too loosely. In praying the rosary, Catholics use the term holy too loosely. No one, including Mary, is holy but God. This ties in with Romans 3:10-23, Romans 5:12, and countless other passages that stress the fact that in God’s eyes no one measures up. Never is Mary excluded from such all-encompassing statements.
But praying the rosary has an even more basic problem, namely, that much of the prayer is directed to Mary, not to God. We are never told in the Bible whether anyone else in heaven can even hear us. God alone is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present. When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, He taught them to address their prayers to God the Father. Every example of prayer in the Bible is addressed to God alone. There is never a single example of someone praying to any “saint” or angel or anyone else (besides prayers to false gods). Further, any time that a pious person prostrates himself (in a religious setting) to honor someone else besides God (chiefly to the apostles or angels), he is told to get up, to stop it (Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-16; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church states that it worships God alone but “venerates” Mary and the saints. What is the difference? A person praying the rosary spends more time calling out to Mary than to God. For every one praise of God in the rosary, there are ten praises of Mary!
Praying the rosary also assigns a task to Mary that the Bible never assigns her. Jesus is our Redeemer (Galatians 3:13; 4:4-5; Titus 2:14; 1 Peter 1:18-19; Revelation 5:9), our heavenly Advocate (1 John 2:1), and our one and only Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The “Hail, Holy Queen” portion of the rosary prayer calls Mary our “most gracious advocate.” This is a direct contradiction of the clear biblical teaching that only Jesus is our go-between.
Praying the rosary requires Catholics to call upon Mary as the “holy Queen.” The only time in Scripture that the title “Queen of Heaven” is found, the term is used in a negative way (Jeremiah 7:17-19; 44:16-27). The Bible never pictures Mary as a queen; rather, she calls herself “the Lord’s servant” (Luke 1:38). She is never given a crown or authority over heaven and earth. Likewise, is it appropriate, while praying the rosary, to call Mary our “life” and “hope”? Again, these are terms that are used of God alone in Scripture (John 1:1-14; Colossians 3:4; 1 Timothy 1:1; Ephesians 2:12; Titus 2:13).
The practice of saying the rosary runs contrary to Scripture in a number of ways. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. We have one intermediary (Jesus), and it is in His name we pray, not Mary’s.
Protip: If a Catholic ever addresses you with "hey boys", RUN!
@@Daniellion1122 Holy also means sacred, which means set apart for some divine purpose - which Mary indisputably was.
As Kecharitomene, she has been uniquely created full of divine grace for the purpose of hosting Jesus literally within herself, as a living arc of the New Covenant. Is the original Arc of the Covenant holy or profane?
If that, an inanimate container, is holy, how much more is a person who was made for a sacred responsibility, but also chose out of the free will inanimate objects lack to make a permanent commitment out of it.
Jeremiah refers to Ashera, who is obviously not the rightful queen of anything. Since Jesus is the rightful King of Kings, that makes Mary the rightful queen mother.
Also, Jesus took on the role of the suffering servant. Do you question his kingship? If not, then why question Mary’s position as queen mother? Also, queen mothers of the Davidic line had an active, but subservient role in observing the needs of the kingdom, advising the king, and making sure his will is carried out. Those were all things Mary has done even, for you Sola Scriptura types, in the Bible. And her message consistently remains that we do God’s will.
Speaking of God’s will, if you take any issue with Mary’s title Theotokos, you’re venturing too close to Nestorianism. Jesus, being God the Son and God Incarnate, makes Mary the Mother of God. But Catholics understand she’s not mother of the other two persons of the Trinity.
Also, referring again to the Salve Regina prayer, ever heard of flowery prose? We’re quite known for it. Same with figures of speech that are not meant hyperliterally.
Finally, Catholics do pray directly to God. And we “pray” (archaic for “ask”) that the saints pray for us too. Since they’re living eternally with God, it’s not like we’re engaging in mediumship to summon the dead.
Also, the very word “prayer” and archaic varieties like “prithee” just mean “message,” “request,” or “I ask you.” We do not equate prayer with worship. Prayers we direct to God (which are most of them) certainly must be worshipful. However, prayer is just a part of worship.
Requests that saints pray for us are no more worshipful than you asking someone else to pray for you, regardless of how much flowerier our prose is. Claiming we do indeed worship saints presumes knowledge you can’t possibly have. Not only do you not know what we mean by the word “prayer,” nor do you know how we employ flowery prose and figures of speech, but you cannot know the hearts and minds of Catholics to determine when or to whom actual worship is taking place.
Try attending Mass, which is the greatest of our prayers.
Also, referring to Mary as, “our life, our sweetness and our hope” or “most gracious advocate” does not preclude God from a far greater, more central role in our hearts and minds. “Most gracious” is a superlative, but it doesn’t in this context mean she is supremely gracious. It also doesn’t mean that she is our only advocate or even our primary one. Anyone who says an intercessory prayer for anyone else is advocating for them.
And if I say I have three children who are the apple of my eye, that doesn’t mean my husband is any less than the love of my life.
So we don’t equate prayer, in and of itself, with worship. We don’t equate veneration or honor with worship. And neither should you. Full, authentic worship is so much more. Attend a Mass and you’ll only begin to see God’s central role in our faith as the exclusive recipient of our worship. And Heaven forbid we stop praying for others or asking others to pray for us out of the misguided notion that Jesus, our greatest advocate, is to also be our only intercessor.
Think of this as legal representation. Jesus is not a lone attorney, but chief of counsel, with a legal team of multitudes ready to help on whatever case.
@@valeriefinnigan41 Mary was just a woman. She is not to be prayed to. She is not our advocate, only Jesus Christ is. Show me in the Bible where Scriptures say she is our advocate?
@@valeriefinnigan41 She is not "Queen Mother". Show me in Scriptures where it says that?
My gay cousin, whom I love and who is in a same sex relationship, posted something on what the pope said. So, yes, Ryan S. Is right, people can misinterpret something that is not clear.
How did your cousin misinterpret the Pope?
No wonder our Blessed Mother, Mary told us to pray our Rosary Daily. We need to pray to God, the Holy Spirit 🕊️ for these folks who believe in same sex marriages 🙏✝️🛐
This Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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Can I ask are you living in perpetual chastity? If you are NOT you have absolutely NO right to criticize your cousin or to judge him. In fact, Romans 2.1 is very clear that you are NOT to judge gays.
@@user-vd3bf3nd6r I’m not judging, I’m explaining how Pope Francis can be misinterpreted. I’m also married btw
I’m tired of being told we are not intellectually capable of understanding right from wrong because of someone who is good at debate can use big words to argue anything they decide is acceptable , any one with a good vocabulary can do this . With God anything is possible including knowing right from wrong because it is written on our hearts . If we as Christians have a majority of people that agree someone is doing something wrong it doesn’t mean we are all stupid and just don’t understand the inner workings of the popes thought process it means he is wrong period!
Saying there is not a simple answer to blessing aka green lighting homosexuality is a cop out smh . And to throw everyone in the category of not being loving and kinda to homosexuals is the most ignorant way to avoid just saying you agree with the pope cause he’s the pope . I love everyone for example and know plenty of people who are gay and don’t ever treat them bad because I want them to know as a a Christian I’m called to live my neighbor but love comes in many forms fellas. You now this especially if your a parent , if you see someone doing something wrong or in danger of being hurt or losing their soul you don’t flatter them to hell you warn them of the danger even if the warning is uncomfortable to hear . Same way a father scores a child playing with a electric socket and the child might think he’s mean and doesn’t like to do anything fun the father knows the consequences are great even if the child cannot . So to say we don’t understand that we as Christians don’t fully grasp how to live our neighbors and be respectful to people and allow them to be gay because like y’all mentioned it’s given them false hope which is way worse .
We can’t defend every thing the pope out of pride for the Catholic Church and to save face because there have been several bad popes through history have there not ? Yet God has allowed it to happen .
If we want to understand why there are people that maybe shouldn’t be in the position they are in we have to think of the parable of the weeds and the wheat .
Matthew 13:24-30
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
The Parable of Weeds among the Wheat
24 He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. 27 And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ 28 He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. 30 Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
There has to be ambiguity, otherwise that money goes away and the people and their families and friends with them. I would never say someone should be deprived of pastoral care or reconciliation, but riding both sides of the fence is not loving nor kind.
Ethiopian Orthodox Church said “ No!” Because the teachings same then, now and forever.
BECAUSE OF this issue, following with other disagreements throughout the Synod, my husband and I decided to leave the Catholic church and join the Greek Orthodox.
Definitely not! Pope F shouldn’t even be contemplating this ! Heavenly Father, protect our Catholic faith 🙏🏼🌸✝️
Just a note from Germany: We have dioceses where same-sex couples are blessed publicly and in recognition of the homosexual way of life. We have parishes where the homily is preached by a woman at Mass in the presence of a priest and a deacon. We have lots of parishes where a simple confession is no longer possible without being involved in a “psychotherapeutic conversation”. And any bishop who tries to oppose this will be torn apart by their own Catholic media. Everything to make the church more inclusive and people flee like there's an air raid warning. We have already seen the same thing with the Protestant state churches and we are stupid enough to imitate them. Last week, my territorial parish celebrated an ecumenical blessing service for newborns and small children. I asked why people don't at least try to talk to the parents about a baptism. Baptism would be so final. Parents would no longer want to tell their children what they will believe later on. Jägermeister, I need Jägermeister
My heart is with you and those being led astray.
Why don’t these German priests or bishops establish their own teachings and get excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Guess this is the prophecy of Schisms and apostasy in the Catholic church led by Satan to turn away souls to God and worship the Devil.
@@holdfast5332 I am now convinced that only lighthouse projects can change things. Most parishes are merged into large pastoral spaces, making re-evangelization even more difficult. And we need a new evangelization very urgently. Of the 30,000 or so Catholics still officially registered in my city, a maximum of 3,000 go to Holy Mass every week. It is estimated that 80% of them are over 50 years old or older. The city has 150,000 inhabitants. Even though this is historically a Protestant city, that's not much.
What are lighthouse projects? A night of Eucharistic Adoration, for example. At World Youth Day in Cologne, many young people came into contact with the Eucharistic Lord for the first time and were blown away by his power. Today we have one of them as a priest in the neighboring parish. After World Youth Day, a community of young people gathered to organize a night of Eucharistic adoration once a month in the Cologne Cathedral. nightfever.org/en/our-story
The Cistercians began resettlement campaigns in Germany. Starting from Heiligenkreuz Abbey and the very, very good university there, they founded monasteries in Bochum Stiepel and Neuzell. A new monastery is being built in Neuzell, as the old one is officially state property and is largely used for other purposes. The Lord is giving vocations there and I am very optimistic that not only a lighthouse, but an oasis in the secular desert will emerge there. www.zisterzienserkloster-neuzelle.de/?lang=en . Here is an insight into the gigantic project. ua-cam.com/video/V_J-I71u2KU/v-deo.html (switch subtitles to English). New communities are coming to Germany. One of these is the French Community of St. Martin -www.communautesaintmartin.org/en/- or the Communitiy of Jerusalem, which is repopulating and realigning old churches and monasteries. The FSSP is growing disproportionately. When there are vocations, they usually come from such communities, not from parishes.
So if you are to judge by the fruits, that means to me that I look for one of these fruitful communities and support it instead of exhausting myself in endless discussions about blessing services or something similar in the territorial parish.
So sad, May Our merciful God intervene 🙏
Those churches are leading people to hell, and the devil is celebrating. We need to pray for our entire church, and if your church is doing evil things you need to leave and find a church that stands true to the faith.godbless you and your family.
So, wouldn't a yes or no simply stop any questions? Pastoral counseling techniques should not concern laity and he should know that responding to the Dubia. A blessing confers approval of a situation that goes against God's Word. He knows this,clarity is essential, not intentional confusion.
I went down a path of atheism around the time I was supposed to get my confirmation. That lead me towards the cult of modern day gnosticism...but then a lot of situations happened that started deprogramming me from leftist ideology. I recently had a baby, and in the 10 months she's been alive she's encouraged me to go back to my faith, showed me God is present in my life and our family needs to grow closer to him. My husband and I are very concerned about all of the identity confusion in the world today, and we hope the church can be a place of clarity as we raise our child. The Pope, while I celebrated his progressive views when I was lost, was something that have me concern when we were deciding whether or not to have our baby baptized catholic. I'm glad the priest at our parrish has been speaking out against him during mass, because that really helped us feel more comfortable.
Francis is just out of control. He has forgotten it’s not his church but Jesus Christ church. Pray 🙏🏽 pray 🙏🏽 pray 🙏🏽 we all know what it will lead too.
If 5 Cardinals couldn't get the straight answer that they were looking for, what do you think the average lay Catholic is going to understand? That is why a "Yes" or "No" as the Cardinals wanted was a better approach.
Ryan S. is absolutely right, and was being charitable in his points. See it is possible to be charitable but talk about the Truth!
90% of the posts below seem to agree and the real true faithful in the Church are really upset about this whole thing and we need strong leadership from our bishops and priests.
Fr. Rich, you are just wrong here. It's possible to be pastoral while maintaining Truth (and not being ambiguous). Obviously in your own example of the trans person, no good priest would slam the door and make the person feel unwelcome. But you cannot say or do anything to "affirm" such a delusion and let a person continue living in sin. Obviously the trans person may have already had an operation so there's no going back, so maybe for this example a gay person would be a better example.
A pastoral response would be for a priest to help the person understand and accept the church teaching (and using discernment for pastoral care, no need to throw the book on first meeting) and guide the person to the right programs out there within the Church that help LGB people live either chastely or try to convert and live happy lives in straight marriage (maybe even with kids). It IS possible! This should be the response of the Church!
For those practicing homosexuals who don't want to give up the sex. Ok fine, they should be welcome at Mass but not to receive communion because according to the Church's own teachings it would do them more harm than good, perhaps dooming them. There is plenty of grace to be had just sitting in the pews and hearing Truth and receiving the blessing everyone receives at the end.
This isn't to single out homosexuals. It's this way with many things/sins. And yes, I once was a practicing homosexual living in terribly grave sin daily. I'm dating women now and I believe God willing I will have a wife and kids, and it will be to glorify God and His Church. What Pope Francis and much of the curia and the general liberal wing of the Church are doing is undermining God's glory to even bring about the transition I've seen in my life. But I was willing to hear, accept and take on the Church's teachings, not everyone is. The Pope cannot forget about those who hold fast to the Church's teachings, but it feels like he has.
I recommend you listen to Michael Lofton in Reason and Theology. It would be helpful to understand how morally reprehensible that the cardinals and bishops diverged a closed and private conversation into the public forum. How dare they cast the first stone against Pope Francis?
I recommend you read scripture. If thy eye offend thee, pluck it out. Pluck this sin from the church or suffer. Its simple. A man shouldn't lay with another man. Its simple.
@@existentialpoet8216 I have watched him before and I just plainly disagree with so much of what he says about the pope and what's going on. He is also a contortionist with his arguments, but he squirms less.
Public or private, these are the discussions happening in the Church now, and in my opinion it would be *worse* if it were 100% private and we were all hit with whatever changes are obviously coming without a chance to really speak up about it.
The Pope just met with Whoopi Goldberg, but has really come down hard on some of our more "hardline" clerics in America. That's everything you need to know. Hindsight won't look good on Bergoglio.
I love my Catholic faith I have been away from it for awhile and with the protestants side fir awhile Iove all my brother's and sisters. but I have been awaken from praying and leading me back to the true faith that was started by Jesus Christ 🙏 and I have learned alot because of the pandemic brought me back to the faith I was baptized in. We live in a very confused dark world and I pray for our brothers and sisters who are homosexual or confused about being male or female ..I love Father Rich and agree that he is helping those he can through pastoral care .to show love and kindness and support and love Pope Francis, it is not easy and the Devil loves to attack us all but we keep on fighting and praying to help all we can. In the end God will prevail just we got to keep praying and helping where we can. Father Chris Alar and the Marian Father's also explain the faith so clearly it has taught me so much. I am a sinner but I am working to being the Saint God calls us to be so we can all be in his kingdom one day for ever.thats really what matters for us all..and I keep praying for all the holy souls in purgatory ❤🙏❤
Fr. alar is the best priest.
The cathlics is not the true faith and watching this tells me they are not the bible is in black and whight so we should not deviate from it God destroyed the people in sodom because of it’s disgusting practice Ed God does not change so no religion should weaken there faith by excepting to water down what bible says
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I think the answer is clear: it's a no, but pastorally don't shun them away. Sometimes confused people want to be pushed away to sort of clear themselves from the decision. With compassion, love, patience, etc., they may live in a way back to the original teachings.
Listen to jay dyer
Was,born baptist, then was catholic for 10 years now orthodox
We Christians, the Bible is so clear, just read, slowly n we shall know the truth,
I’m just tired of bending into an intellectual pretzel to defend Pope Francis and try to make what he says make sense. I’m tired of taking up the struggle w my teens to dress modestly for mass just to have a homily where the priest says “who am I to judge. At least you are here” just to have me teen look over at me like “I told you so.” I guarantee this ambiguity will cost souls. Maybe not over the modesty issue but this is a slippery slope and when we take it seriously to teach our children to live and learn the faith and our clergy doesn’t have our back on so many issues. This issue is the tip of the iceberg and it’s extremely discouraging as a Catholic parent and honestly we need our priest to men.
With regards to the confession analogy - there is a huge difference. When you go to confession there is zero doubt that you and the priest are CLEAR that the sin you confess is a sin. The compassion and pastoral part rests on that understanding. That is vastly different than saying “can you bless my laptop that I use for porn please?” Are you kidding me? Nobody would accuse a priest of not being pastoral if he said no to that request. And I say this as someone would would NOT consider myself as Uber orthodox or black and white on many issues. But this is ludicrous.
I have a different perspective. I see it from a public relations perspective, the LGBT people I know almost instinctively feel rejected from Church life. As if there is no room for them to live and grow in their faith slowly at their own rythm, as if the only option for them is total sin like they give up there's no walking with Christ because Christ doesn't want them.
This reputation is horrible for their salvation, I think you would agree.
The Holy Father is making sure the Catholic Church does not have that reputation by allowing a discussion (guided by prudence) on the blessing of two persons as they walk with Christ even through their struggle.
And I insist, two persons are blessed. But not their union.
Amen. I'm done with this show !
@@VirginMostPowerfull Preach it! I'm a Side B Christian (ie. is LGBT but loves Jesus enough to live chastely - just like every other Christian, according to their station), and I feel like I've had to barricade myself in the closet to protect myself from people in the Church who act like they're ready to waterboard in the holy water font for the way I dress or the pronouns I use. Plot twist: I love the Latin Mass, as do a lot of ultra-conservative Catholics. A lot of LGBT Catholics love the Latin Mass as well, but like me, have to bunker down in the closet. I would love to see a day when we can go to a full High Mass with all the smells and bells and panoply while being fully honest about who we are. I'd love to walk into the fellowship after Mass whilst wearing a 1940s style men's suit and be warmly greeted, rather than getting weird looks or overhearing hushed talk about "the gays" as if were the boogyman (I've wondered of Rad Trad parents threaten their kids with "the gays" in the same manner, ie. "Eat your vegetables, Stephen Benedict, or you'll be too weak to run away from the gays", or some rot like that).
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I’m really confused by your statement.
You claim to be an individual who lives chastely and rejects the LGBT lifestyle in favor of Christ (most excellent! There are many married men who could learn what acting and being chaste means),
But then you go into a discussion about having to hide who you are or what you wear (you mention 1940’s suits). Most men who attend the Latin mass wear suits? Why or how would they know you are different than any other man there?
If he does what makes us different from being protestant?
Exactly. May as well accept everything else. Catholics now bless abortion, assisted death...great slippery slope.
If homosexuals saw their sexuality for the cross that it is then they would ask for individual blessings to bear such a cross. They would not ask for a blessing of the union. What same sex couple would ask for a blessing of their union in order for them to no longer engage in homosexual acts with each other?? If the Church’s intent is to bless the union then the Church would be attempting to bless sin. God will set this straight.
My last time watching this show. Thank you.
Why’s that?
You make an appeal to the Catechism, which we as Catholics usually do. However, as we have seen during this Pontificate, the pope can change the teaching of the CCC at a whim, even completely reversing former teaching (as was done with regard to capital punishment). So, your appeal is to what the Catechism says now. But what will it say in the future? That remains to be seen. And that is frightening!
Thank you Scheele for being the voice of the skeptics. This was a dynamic and genuine conversation between friends.
What am I blessing? Their union let us be honest!
Pope should stop on letter A.
ohhh yes..., they are real friends....sweet friends... if you know what I mean :)❤
I can't believe an issue so clearly defined in the bible is what is going to split the church this time. So avoidable if we had real men running the church. But they will realize only god has the final say.🙏
As a parent, it's our job to set the standard for a child. You tell them the rules, very clearly. There's nothing that hurts children more than to have one parent say one thing, the other day another,they don't know if they're going to get in trouble or not, and very unsure and anxious.
Yes the sheep will run off, you love them period, but you let them know where they stand, where Mom and Dad stand. Then they can be happy when they do right and feel bad when they know what's bad.
You love them either way, but Jesus spoke the truth about Go and Sin no More, and about a real Hell.
Give a person high expectations and they typically meet them, be wishy washy, and they'll be confused and unhappy. We are God's children. We need to know where we stand. You think that people will run away from hard truth, but they won't forever. If they choose to go lukewarm, that gets stressful. They get to a point they want God's stability. Give it to them as parents, give it to us as God's children.
These conversations are what everybody already knows, but everybody trying to be politically correct.
Satan's is in our lukewarmness tiptoeing around I'm ok you're ok.
As a Catholic in Africa this is elevating some sins to a privileged status. Explain to us how polygamy is a bigger sin than homosexuality
The Pope knows what he is doing. Look at the actions he has made with great Bishops and priests. Requesting them to resign or be removed from their positions. Read, pray, and ponder Psalm 1:1-2 then Revelation 21:6-8.
The question is regarding homosexual relationships, not the idea of homosexual marriage. Blessing a homosexual relationship is condoning homosexual acts. Otherwise why bless the so-called union? Instead why not just bless the individuals? This has yet to be answered.
Our Pope needs to be more concise and clear!!!! He definitely needs a lot of prayer!
Patience and kindness should of course prevail. Still, keep in mind that misery loves company, and don’t let others draw you into their sin. Great show - thank you gentlemen.
So here is my thing.
I went to confession recently and had confessed having had pre martial sex with the woman I was living with and in a relationship with. The priest asked if I was still living with her and I said no we weren’t together anymore. And he said good because he couldn’t absolve me of my sins if I was still living with her in sin.
How can anyone bless a gay couple if they are in fact still going to choose to stay together living in sin!?!?! Makes no sense
I’m gay and a practicing Catholic and not sorry. In fact I recently joined the Conformity of the Brown Scapular. Oh I’m sure there’s some frumpy women with time on their hands who are saying, “then you’re not Catholic”. Neither are you-judge lest you be judged.
The one major issue you have seem to miss placed is “ sex outside of marriage is a grave sin“.
Why would you bless two men or women that are committing grave sins.
Please, I really need an answer to this.
For most cases I would say, not all but most, gay couples seeking a blessing aren't seeking help or guidance, they're seeking validation. I am reminded of the compassion, tenderness, patience, and understanding John the Baptist (who of women, no greater man has been born) showed to Herod in regard to his adulterous marriage
Ambiguity is never good, especially when it comes to adherence to our Good Lord. I agree that we should not give false hope 👍
Hello Valerio. I don't call it ambiguity. More than 50% of what comes out of Bergoglio's Mouth, or his Pen, is DOUBLE-TALK. He does his best to try to fool the Laity with this. The Bishops know this also, but, many of them are to cowardly to speak the Truth. Emily And I Have Been Married for 55+ Years, And, I Love Her More Today Than Ever Before.
Why everyone is afraid to call homosexual act sin?????
Yes, the church and the Bible have always been clear that any kind of sexual act without the aim of reproduction is a huge sin.
@@lowrhyan567 By the way not any act which is not aimed of reproduction is sin. I’m 65 and my wife is 64 and our sexual acts are not likely be for reproduction.
Blessing couples, it may not be marriage but he left the door wide open for couples
I understood the Pope and found no problem in what he said either. I believe he speaking about being merciful to the sinner by giving a blessing to those who want to amend their lives but not condoning the sin.
If these people are in a homosexual relationship, they are not looking to amend their lives.
Unfortunately I dont think, in this instance, the problem is with people not reading the Popes response. I read it and had all the concerns with it even trying to find a reason to defend it.
Michael Lofton from "Reason and Theology" just did a show, discussing your video, about if Pope Francis is allowing blessings for gay unions.
It was a charitable take on your show. He did clarify some things.
I find it interesting how we form a relationship with our podcast host.
When I saw that Michael Lofton was going to do a show about "The Catholic Talk Show" ...
I felt my "right hook (ha)" starting to form....but wasn't needed.
Michael Lofton was charitable...
Especially at a time when so many people, in the Church, want to attack our Pope 😪 and I was proud of you guys...
you spoke honestly, and most importantly, you spoke respectfully! 🤗
Great discussion. There was a point at the 38:27 mark where Father says "I don't want to say this is what the pope is saying if he is not saying that...." He confirmed with this statement that the document is confusing and even though he may try and justify that it lines up with the catechism, in reality it opens the door for some folks to implement their own agenda in this area. The question for me is was this done intentionally or not. What would this blessing of same sex couples look like? If it is done publicly, in front of the congregation, it will look like a marriage ceremony and create scandal by making it look like the church condones sodomy. If you bless the relationship privately, do you encourage the couple to be chaste? If folks are uncomfortable with the blessing of same sex couples in the church, will they be labelled as rigid? Why did these cardinals write this dubia? Is it because there is confusion coming out of the synod or is because some in the hierarchy don't believe that sodomy is a sin because they are homosexual and believe that God made them that way? The response creates more questions than it answers. Please pray for the church, live the example of the churches teaching on sexuality, and go to confession often. God Bless.
Takes courage to say “No”.
Takes courage to defend His holy church, and His Word. Skipping around a question (just to be nice) is not courage.
You cannot have a foot in both doors. Your either with God or not!! The Pope is NOT!!
Be definitive. Say No. Sick of these cowardly, worldy church leaders! Step up or step down
I think if you're asked a direct question, don't respond with a squirrely answer. When some asks for the light, don't give them a dim light that will get you lost.
To bless a person is fine, but a same sex UNION is wrong. It makes a sin look acceptable. This is bad for our children. Be kind to and help people struggling with any attraction to sin. When we have a temptation to sin, no matter what it is, we gain grace by avoiding it.
Luke 18:8 " When the Son of man comes, will he find faith on earth." Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil"
Thank you Pope Francis for clarifying that homosexualality is not a sin.
It is though . Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. Read your bible. Repent and follow Jesus
I think it’s important to note that he did not say that it’s okay to bless same sex unions.
@@marynadononeillThis Pope isn't ambiguous on this topic. It is the Bishops that are disobedient and hate the Pope like Cardinal Burke causing confusion and straight up giving us half truths.
Read what the Pope said, he's very clear on how to bless those with SSA, and he's even more clear on woman's ordination. People are just lying and slandering our Pope.
Catholics have just gotten in the habit of slandering the Pope on a regular basis. We are a disobedient flock, and lots of rumors and slander online. We sound like a bunch of protestants and Orthodox, not Catholics.
Careful who you listen to, like ignore and block guys like Taylor Marshall
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Did God have compassion at Sodom and Gomorrah?
It depends on if there are enough salty people around. Be salty in a saintly way my friends 😊
If there was Only 1 good person in Sodoma & Gomorrah God was willing to spare it. 🤍🕊️✝️
@@azurite18710, not 1
Yes. He said He would spare it if there were 10 righteous people.
Did Jesus have compassion on the Woman caught in idolatry?
I'm from Belgium and our bishops have written out a "liturgy" for the "blessing" of same-sex unions. Aside from it being problematic that the bishops are making this "blessing" official, it's basically the liturgy of a wedding, where at the moment of the sacramental blessing of marriage, they "bless" the same-sex union. For an outsider, or a badly catechised catholic, it looks like a marriage ceremony.
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The question Would be what is it exactly he Will be blessing & offering to God?!
Bishop needs to be removed educated in his faith. He is leading evil into the church.
@@dorcas4035 What are priests blessing when giving marriage to senior couples or non-fertile couples . Marriage is more than sex for reproduction. So is a same-sex couple more than its sexual relationship.
@@thomasgriebel9485Marriage in Christ Church according to His teaching is between a man & a Woman. Happy Advent & May the Light of the Lord shine upon you to understand His teachings better on this area🙏💜
Thank you this was so nice to hear!! I Love Pope Francis he is very loving Pope!!!
Thank you Ryan. I’m sorry but you are 100% right. The door cannot be opened. It will open that can of worms.
Friendships don't normally seek out an official Church blessing. Here, I think it's clear that "they" -- the "couple" would be looking for a "green light" to continue in a homosexual relationship--which would naturally include sexual relations. I love this episode! Thank you so much for addressing this and I think you all did a great job of dissecting the questions, the Pope's answer and the Catechism's fundamental truths as taught by the Church.
Does it specify as a couple? Or is that being inserted and assumed? And if the Church doesnt recognize their union does it matter if they are presenting themselves for blessing individually together? Why is everyone turning this blessing into a wedding when it's clearly stated it cannot be?
Obviously, blessings of gay 'couples' shall become a semi Catholic gay marriage to the gay community. Pope Francis wrote that these blessings shouldn't be seen as a marriage. Obviously, it consists of the blessing of two people; a blessing of a single person couldn't be misunderstood as a marriage; one can't marry oneself.
@jamesdooley2221 His answer was people can be blessed, the union not.
@@jamesdooley2221I think people are hyper focused on this sin and it makes them cringe against the people involved in it's grasp. The Pope is leading us to be the Church. Not to be the meager ration keepers of grace.
If two of our kids in a heterosexual relationship were living together, we'd be eager for them to have hands laid on them to be blessed.
We wouldn't be worried about them presenting themselves together in their sinful state. Why is that?
God loves Everyone!
YES!
Can't believe how far I had to scroll before I saw anything remotely close to this one simple truth. ❤🙏🏽
Yes but he hates sin and lies and self deception.
We are all called to repentance. No exception.
@@gerardk51 👈🏽"God" and "Hate" in the same sentence....🤦🏽♂️ pray for this poor soul.
@@johnnyj0104 Pray for you?
I’m SSA but I extracted myself from a relationship and became celibate. This is what those like Father miss, yes I can be blessed but you CAN’T bless ‘union’ if they are not willing to leave the union, like Milo did. It’s nice to be pastored by a priest who gives me support for the choice I make every day but if I were to go back into a relationship, he could not give us a blessing so I can then go to Holy Communion. Same thin g is happening with divorce and remarried; I know a couple the man has been married 3 times and only the first was annulled and he doesn’t want to leave his current wife when they are living in sin and wish to go to Communion;; the Synod is pushing that this should be blessed and approved but they want to continue living in this relationship, so how does he go to confession saying I’m not going to turn away from my sin but still go to Communion
God bless you and give you the power to stay in celibate! Thanks to God for your come back ❤
Thanks for sharing! I saw you commented on my other post. It's a tough road! Was formerly exclusively SSA as well. I think God's giving me a chance at marriage to a woman, so keep praying/fasting/surrounding yourself with that if you would like that as well! God is very good and wants the best for us.
But yea, it's insane watching the Catholic Church turn into what looks like the Episcopal Church. Maybe people like us need to come out of the woodwork more to make ourselves known so the Church better realizes that it has actual adherents to the faith who are SSA who need real shepherding and not scandalizing. It probably wouldn't matter because the Holy Father has his agenda.
I do feel for those who struggle with homosexuality, I think sins of the " flesh" straight or not are probably the most difficult to overcome. But it seems that when the sin is same-sex related God has a more severe condemnation and saying it is an abomination before Him. I know that the Church has blessed many for their state of health and other reasons. However blessing those who are not willing to change from their sinful ways will not be pleasing to God and His blessings they will not be granted.
The Pope is saying one thing but doing another! We need to not give any appearance of approval!
How can you bless a Union when you know it will end up in sinful actions??It’s contradicting! This IS VERY CONFUSING.
Not really. What they are saying here is thay Francis is NOT blessing the union (marriage) of homosexual acts. He us blessing the human as a son or daughter. Which is what Jesus commanded.
He is purposely confusing people JPII gave a blessing to his attempted assassin. He didn’t bless murder.
@@timothydunlavey7523 exactly. That is what Francis is saying. He is blessing the people not the sin committed.
@@darrellperez1029 there is a sun called the sin of Scandal in which the rank file who don’t have a strong handle on the more complex issues don’t understand what is happening and lose their faith. I think he is disconnected from the fact that his words are being twisted and people are just deeply confused
I appreciate all the inputs the three hosts put on the table. I entered the conversation as a Ryan Scheele, in the middle I was more of a Fr. Richard Pagano, but ended up having the same thoughts as Ryan Delacrosse.
In that case check out Matt Fradd.
Loved this episode, I mean it didn't bring some kind of clarity to me, still think the Popes response is ambiguous, I can relate though with Scheel's concerns, but thanks for letting me know I'm not alone in my line of thoughts in this teachings. Saludos desde Monterrey Mexico!
‼️‼️we are all God’s children and God would bless us all as we strive to follow Him.
PS. Most of the Catholic priests are closeted gays having flings with each other
It would be good to remember that homosexual relationships are also built on mutual love, respect, and support just as heterosexual relationships are.
I don’t believe blessings have anything to do with it. The groups in question WANTS ONE THING! from the Catholic Church, accept their lifestyle.
This is a true statement. And all of us know this, so that must include the pope. So what is the Holy Father's real intention here?
@@JohnSimmonsification Only time will tell.
I don't think that "lifestyle" is an appropriate word. It assumes that all homosexuals live the same lifestyle. That is wrong. I think, as in the case of my son and his husband, they want the Church to accept their humanity and not ostracize them from the Church family in which they were raised.
The truth is the truth, and to not live it makes someone open to the possibility of going to hell. The truth is marriage is between a man and a woman. Civil unions are not marriage at all. Do your son a favor and warn him of his sins. It is not too far of a stretch to say that anyone who dies in the state of mortal sin (regardless the mortal sin) stands a good chance of going to hell for all eternity. Where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.
Rather than accepting and tolerating your son's sin, pray for him and make known to him that his soul is most likely in jeopardy.
Read Ezekiel 33.
Does God love your son? Yes.
But we all are called to love God back.
God is God we are not. Our love for Good is proven by our obedience to His commands.
Love your son enough to try and pray him out of his sin, Just as St Monica did with St Augustine.
@@RestoreJustice675 You and I would agree that sacramental marriage is between a man and a woman. Civil marriage is about equal treatment under the law, which is something completely different. My son and his husband obey the law and pay their taxes. They should have the same rights under civil LAW. If you cannot understand the difference, we don't have a lot to talk about. As for your hellfire and damnation comment, I think you will be every bit as surprised as the next Pharisee that God cares far more about the love and compassion we show each other rather than focusing on the splinter in some LGBTQ person's eye rather than the plank in your own.
For me, the main "problem" per say is not what pope is saying right now, but the cardinals that he has created so far.
I cannot belong to a church that endorses this. I feel more of an urge to convert to orthodoxy. 😅
Classical Popesplaining. Based on your analysis there was no need for this Declaration. But here we are.
This pope is the reason I'm not sure I'm joining the catholic church while confused