Do Catholics Have To "LIKE" The Pope? | The Catholic Talk Show
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- In this episode of The Catholic Talk Show, the guys discuss what Catholics should do when they disagree with the Pope.
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• What Duty Do Catholics Owe The Pope?
• Why You Should Pray For The Pope
• Do You Have To Agree With The Pope On Everything?
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Do Catholics Have To "LIKE" The Pope?, Like him, you should love him " Love thy neighbour as thyself" and I never made that up, Jesus said it.
Thank you for this video and other prayerful content. As a catechumen the Internet noise has been difficult to sift through during my faith formation. I’ll stick to focusing on my little circle of influence and pray for the Pope and other church leaders.
Good idea.
I pray for you and all those who are entering the Church during a time when such scandals abound; you are entering the Church right before her glorious (albeit painful) assent to the cross, following Jesus Christ the Bridegroom.
@@ToothTwister77wdu mean assent to the cross
@@flowergirl5336 The concept of the bride following the bridegroom to the cross is a metaphorical and theological concept found in Christian tradition and interpretation of Scripture. It emerges from various passages in the New Testament that use the imagery of marriage to describe the relationship between Christ and the Church.
One of the primary passages where this imagery is found is in Ephesians 5:22-33, where the apostle Paul compares the relationship between husband and wife to the relationship between Christ and the Church. In this passage, Paul describes how husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her. This sacrificial love is likened to Christ's self-sacrifice on the cross for the redemption of humanity. The Church, in turn, is portrayed as the bride of Christ, who is to submit to Christ's loving authority and follow Him faithfully.
Another passage where this imagery is present is in Revelation 19:7-9, which speaks of the marriage supper of the Lamb. In this passage, the Lamb, referring to Jesus Christ, is depicted as the bridegroom, and the Church is portrayed as the bride who is united with Him in a heavenly marriage feast.
The concept of the bride following the bridegroom to the cross is thus derived from these and other passages in Scripture that use the metaphor of marriage to illustrate the intimate and sacrificial relationship between Christ and His Church. It emphasizes themes of love, devotion, and union, as well as the willingness of believers to follow Christ and share in His suffering for the sake of redemption and salvation.
It's not a matter of liking. We are called to love and pray for him.
So do you love the pope and all his heresies? He is leading people into the deep abyss from which there is no return. How much love are you willing to pour out on him - especially since it's absolutely worthless - he wont' repent.
Do we have to like the Pope when he ignores bishops in Germany blessing sin while removing an American Bishop for pointing it out? Do we have to like the Pope when he appears to worship at the altar of climate change instead of addressing public figures who push abortion?
Exactly
He hasn’t ignored them and he does not have to tell you what he is currently doing with them or what he plans to do with them. The Pope does not answer to you or anyone else other than Jesus Christ.
As far as the German Bishops go, you have to understand that he is looking at the entire catholic world. The German churches do not belong to the Vatican. They belong to the Germans. If he removes them, they can just stay there and continue to call themselves catholic and operate a parallel false church in Germany. The Pope is trying to bring them back into the fold so we don't loose every German catholic. The German people are hurting. They are not all on board with those bishops. Should the Pope really just abandon them? It's a complicated situation. He has talked to them probably more than we know but they won't just step down like strickland did. He may have to do that but I'm sure he doesn't want to. I'm sure he wants to change their hearts and that takes time and the holy spirit
We are not to judge the Pope, the vicar of Christ.
People follow blindly. He is NOT a deity and the papacy is filled with foul play throughout its history. To deny this is absolutely horrific. I prefer to simply follow Jesus's original teachings... to remain Catholic rather than ROMAN Catholic.
We are living the effects of Modernism. Founded in early 1900s by Fr. Alfred Loisy and Fr. George Tyrrell S.J. Do read the history and their belief system. Then ask yourself if what is coming out of this Pontificate sounds Modernist? It is a form of Protestantism. The Modernist, by nature, will not necessarily follow established Canon Law, doctrines and teachings.
I grew up in a Jesuit Parish, grammar school and University in the 70s/80s. Did not learn the Catholic Faith, until by the grace of God, EWTN TV/radio programing came out. Listening to Catholic Apologetics was very helpful. Then I started to learn and understand. Also helpful that for the past 20+ years I've been living in an authentic faithful Diocese, with well-formed faithful Priests and Bishops. I am home. I pray for the Pope daily. God will take care of His Church but we must resist Modernism.
this is so wrong as a catholic to ask this question. God teach us to love our neighbors. We hate the sins, not sinners. And we are all sinners, Pope Francis said. I just hope everyone stop asking this question and just love and pray for everyone. it is hard but we can try to be better at this, little by little, everyday.
A to the M to the E to the N. We need to be examining our own consciences twice as much as we scrutinize our neighbors' behavior.
The pope’s letter should have included the fact that the person to be baptized must renounce sin of believing that God made a mistake by giving them the wrong body.
In the past he stated that transgender ideology is demonic. Therefore the person is required to renounce transgender behavior and belief.
All the letter said is that the person must fulfill all of the requirements of baptism. (Which includes repentance of sin ). This is way way too vague and leads non Catholics to interpret the letter to say it is ok to continue the transgendered way of life after baptism.
It appears this was deliberately vague in order to seem to conform to liberal ideology.
There was no need to issue this letter. It changes nothing regarding baptism. All it did was muddy the waters that were previously clear to all.
Trying to appear toappease the world is not helping Catholics or the reputation of the Catholic Church.
Another thing: the scandal statement. Who decides what is scandalous? The parish priest? Talk about throwing the problem on them.
OUTSTANDING episode! I've been saying for some time that the reason for a lot of the discourse in the US Church is that a lot of folks can't separate their secular politics from their faith!!!! Spot on!!!
it's not secular politics to denounce gay marriage, trannies, and abortionists.
However, this Pope has recently
verified the Church's opposition to all of those. This Pope has verified abortion as an intrinsic evil. If you had done your homework you would know that, but apparently you have not. You may not like his pastoral approach, but that is a different question. @@kbaptiste28
Francis is a Marxist and it shows.
Agreed
Unfortunately neither does the pope. Our political beliefs are supposed to be FORMED by our faith, not separated from it.
The reason some are responding to Pope Francis as they do politicians is he has made his pontificate political on some issues, and to ignore that is disingenuous. To ignore his treatment of certain bishops as he excuses the actions of others is akin to a political party favoring those who agree with them, and treat others with disdain and even acrimony. Look at just whom he has brought into his leadership team. I pray for Pope Francis every day, and I hope he focuses on remaining true to doctrine and the Gospel, yet many of the things he does and says lead one to believe he has certain goals in mind for his papacy. While its true he simply cannot change doctrine or dogma with his words or actions, the issue is, with those same words, he has often brought about confusion and distrust. Secularists loves this confusion, because their end game is to make the Church irrelevant, and when you have the leader of the Church making statements which seem to, whether justified or not, to contradict Church doctrine or dogma, the infighting it causes among local church leaders and the faithful stokes the irrelevancy fire. Pope Francis has brought about much of the confusion and angst himself with his words and actions. At the end of the day the Church is Jesus Christ, not any pope or church leader, and we must always remember that.
Amen
We may not always agree with our leadership but we should always consider the intentions behind every decision.
God’s will be done. 🙏🏼
Well just what is the intention behind the pope's definitive move towards the leftist ideologies? Remember - when Jesus comes He will put the goats on his LEFT and His sheep on His RIGHT. The pope is leading towards the left of Jesus and in fact the whole rc "church" has been that way inclined from the beginning.
We all need to pray for all of our church leaders. That's a huge responsibility of being a representative of Christ! Men are fallible, and we need to lift each other up in prayer. The thought of anyone going to hell is extremely disturbing.
Amen. We can not fully love if we can not forgive..grace.
Good stuff. I have a lot of mixed feelings about Francis. Early, you guys mentioned how we politicize him by thinking of him in terms of a politician. He's partly to blame since he seems to welcome dialog with those political figures opposing church teaching with no corrections and admonish faithful Catholics for being too rigid. He's playing the political game. To what end, God only knows .
I don't see it as playing the political game. I see it as soft heartedly trying to coach people, to remind them to listen, that we are one. Something along those lines. Then when people made clear they didn't want to or were not going to, that is when the consequences we made clear. Just look at how the bishops synode phase was done where they go together and spoke their minds. They had very limited time to say what that they had to say, then a period of silence to reflect before the next person could say a few words. Maybe it comes across differently if you are more accustomed to authority and dominant leaders.
The chair of Peter is not a popularity contest.
Y’all hit the nail on the head - I’m in the process of converting and I’ve come to the conclusions you have. Some “Catholic” commentators on UA-cam, etc., are just trying to get clicks. I think our opinions should be metered with patience, prayer and clarity from our leaders. Anyone who takes a hard opinion without that should be suspect.
I'm loving the conversation, so much so that I felt the need to comment that I'm loving it even while I'm still watching and just about 10 minutes in.
The issue with the Latin Mass is that some parishes and some people start to weaponize it or use it as a "token" of superior righteousness. I wish I could say otherwise, but the backlash for the restrictions seem to suggest that is the case. One would need to recognize and appreciate the Novus Ordo mass as heaven and earth coming together during which we partake of Jesus's body, blood, soul, and divinity.. before they consider attending the TLM on a regular basis. Way too many Catholics act like if it is not TLM, it isn't worth anything.
Well said.
I love the chants and listen often. I would actually love to attend a Latin Mass because I grew up with it and it is beautiful. But I like knowing what is going on and being able to pray along. And I agree with your thoughts as I have seen and heard it. Sad isn't it!
Perfect comment.
No offense but I’ve been to many Novus Ordo’s and they don’t even follow the rubrics of the missal. Liturgical abuse is rampant, and many (not all) are irreverent. The first step to solving a problem is admitting there is one. I go to a beautiful Novus Ordo and i feel blessed. They are few and far between where I live. Nobody needs to recognize a certain rite is heaven on earth, there is over 20 rites. They are all great, but the Novus Ordo has been watered down in many parishes over the last 50-60 years. Just look at the average age of those attending. I will say the TLM has a strong young crowd, I have witnessed it. TLM people if they get suppressed will just end up going to an eastern rite church, hopefully it’s in communion with Rome. I love TLM, I love Divine Liturgy, I love Novus Ordo( when it’s done with reverence).
@@jslizzle84 Was Jesus present in the Eucharist and did Heaven and Earth touch in that moment to give glory to God and The Lamb?
When I need a "mental adjustment" on issues such as you discuss here, I always turn to you guys. THANK YOU!! In fact I have just cut out these "catholic" websites that tend to drive me nuts. I view only two: Your THE CATHOLIC TALK SHOW and REASON AND THEOLOGY. Anybody who doesn't like my choices or disagrees, please keep your choices/reasons to yourself. I've personally decided not to agravate myself. God bless you guys.
It's like in the military. You don't have to like the person wearing the uniform but you do have to respect and salute the uniform and rank that is worn by the person. Also, our Lord taught us to love our enemies. Love does not necessarily equivocate to "like".
Well said I don’t know the Pope as a person so I couldn’t tell you if I like him. But I love him and pray for him as leader of the Catholic faith.
@@stingingnettle9726Do we have to like the excretions mccarrick or rupnick as well ? , he did promote and use them in his capacity as pope .
@@stingingnettle9726 No, but he was very comfortable with mccarrick, he condemned the Chilean abuse victims, before his craw back apology " I was part of the problem " . His embrace of the filth rupnick despite his evil, makes me wonder how serious his zero tolerance policy is. If he is so holy why does he use such exceta in any capacity, seems comfortable enough with this ilk why ?.
@@stingingnettle9726 How exactly am I hypocritical ?, differentiate the person and the sin ? These are serious sins your red herring of a response shows your inability respond intelligently. I am not perfect, but I have never hurt a child , covered up for those who did, or supported those who did. Your sad defense of bergolio and those who he embraces shows your deficits in reason and argumentation, this pope is a moral imbecile, seriously defend his betrayal of our Chinese brethren, defend his use of the pacamma, the statue and stamp honoring Luther, I doubt your blind devotion would provide anything more then a vapid deceptive response.
@@stingingnettle9726 No. I am required to love the Pope and pray for him out of obedience and respect for the Office that Christ instituted. Acts of mercy and charity are done based on love and charity for the person, not because one happens to be Pope or because one likes him. This is because there will be Saints, not Popes, in heaven. The keys belong to an office that does not exist in heaven and everyone, including Popes, must face judgment of a higher authority. That judgment is not based on "likes" given or received in this life. Scripture does not say, "You shall "like" the Lord your God...", nor does it say, "For God so "liked" the world that he gave his only begotten Son....". Center on the Sacraments, pray the Rosary.
Great show, boys. Absolutely great show. This was refreshing and helpful. Once again you have fed my hunger to know, love, and serve God. I pray for the Pope daily. God bless.
Well this Pope is very vocal politically? How can on e not respond.
Truth.
You have to have mercy for all. We have to pray for all that includes the Pope.
It's not whether one likes him or not, it's whether one will follow him where he is leading - into the eternal fires of hell. Don't be that lemming.
I would like to see an episode with Dr. Taylor Marshall as a guest.
*F#$% NO!*
Jesus I trust in You, and Your holy will. You have chosen your Vicar, and I shall trust in You.
We have to pray very hard for our pope,a reversion,i dont know,my goodness he is our Pope,and my heart and soul are so sad,with things that he is doing,does he have a bunch of bad bishops, encouraging him,our Catholic church is in trouble in the Vatican, our church is not in trouble ever,because it comes from Jesus Christ himself !! Amen !! We must pray on our knees forbPope Francis 🙏
Respect the pope? Yes. Like him? I’ve never met him, so how could I have an opinion? Like his confusing personal positions? Not possible or required. Always pray for him!
...just don't follow him; don't do what he says. instead read the bible for yourself and follow Jesus - ditch the rcc.
What about Bishop Strickland?
I grew up in the Bronx . I attended Mount Saint Ursula and Saint Philip Neri. My issue with the Pope is , he doesn’t speak out against abortion.
And he’s blessing the union of marriage for the gays .I DO NOT TRUST HIM.I believe in the teachings of Christ if he can not follow Christs teaching I don’t care what any one says I do not have to follow him as pope
Yes he does. councilforlife.ie/pope-francis-quotes-on-abortion/
"Abortion is hiring a hitman to solve a problem." - Pope Francis
@@carlamedina4948 then you are choosing to be a Protestant. Pope Francis has spoken against abortion. In fact the only pope to speak against abortion. You are not catholic.
@@ZanderAngelBergolio does not have a problem with protestants his statue and stamp of Luther show that , he also said the God wills a variety of religions, so using protestant as a pejorative would upset your boy.
I’m trying to keep my spiritual life, faith, absolutely traditional. It is what I know in my heart and my soul. This pope - even this church has left me. I will pray. that’s all I can do.
I hope you do what Jesus did - use the Word of God as your measure of what is true or not. Ditch the traditions invented by men - those men in the papacy. By the way - just where is the exact, definitive document that explicitly names and justifies those "traditions"? There is none. It's not in the bible and it just doesn't exist.
I am confused more than ever about the issue with the Holy Father and Bishop Strickland. The Holy Father does not want confusion within the church but I cannot wrap my head around what is currently going on now. We have actual people still not removed for immoral acts but yet the Pope has removed Strickland. Can we not talk about this?
@@kevinrtres the Church is built on Tradition as one of Her 3 legs.
Scripture, Tradition, and the Magesterium. What you just spouted was not Catholic, but modernism.
@@stldrew6810 Which is precisely where your current pope is leading his sheep. Better wake up and smell the coffee - the so-much-love tradition is being overthrown. You can carry on living in the dark or wake up and see the train coming down the tunnel before it's too late.
@@stldrew6810 You have to think carefully about that "3-legged stool". Who interprets scripture? Who created tradition? The Magisterium. So there's really only ONE leg - the papacy! Don't be misled. They glibly tell you one thing but in the background do otherwise. Who is establishing the new tradition of universalism? The Pope!!! If you don't see that then you simply deserve the anguish that's coming.
bergolios fruit is as a judas. Flowering him up is a DECEPTION. Speak Truth.
He also does things that lean more liberal, seemingly going against the history and moral standing of the church. I consider him in his original title, Bishop of Rome.
Great discussion! I am a new Catholic, and I have to say that Pope Francis was instrumental in my decision to leave 49 years as an active Protestant. I admire his devotion to the poor, which I consider to be the Church's primary purpose on earth. 2,000+ passages of Sacred Scripture tell me so. Jesus tells me so. Jesus declared His mission at the beginning of His ministry at Nazareth when He read from Isaiah, ‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour.’ (Luke 4:18-19) The Church gets caught up in every other tertiary issue she can think of, forgetting that Jesus passed this mission on to His Apostles, and to all believers. Pope Francis doesn't forget this, and he will do all in his power to move any obstacle to this mission out of the way.
You should do some research on bergolio, his betrayal of our Chinese brethren to the ccp using the excreta mccarrick would be a good start, the pacamma, and the insults and contempt to traditional religious and laity is also worth investigating.
You SAID: *devotion to the poor, which I consider to be the Church's primary purpose on earth.*
Friend, if that is what you think the primary purpose of the church is then you are clearly LOST. Of course if "the church" is the rcc, then I guess it's OK, but NOT if it's the Holy, Universal Church of Christ! The rcc is not that church!
The primary purpose of the Church is to proclaim the gospel of Jesus the Messiah - to make disciples of all nations, tribes and people, no matter whether they are poor, rich, male or female, child or adult, small, westernized or not, big, fat, thin, brown, beige, sallow, yellow or completely black in skin colour - because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
You quoted: *because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour.’*
Just read that text again for yourself!!! and see Jesus is talking about the good new of FREEDOM from the oppresion - meaning the oppression of SIN and death. That's what Jesus was all about. The POOR are those who are poor in spirit.
I’m considering converting to Catholicism and Pope Francis was the catalyst for that - his positions are so admirable and made me feel like the Church has way more compassion than I ever assumed
@@hannahhensley8497 He did not have compassion for the Chilean abuse victims, his crawl back apology " I was part of the problem " is telling in who he truly cares for. His betrayal of our Chinese brethren to the ccp using the filth mccarrick as his toady, shows he is neither holy nor a spiritual father. I hope you join the church but be aware this is a great church with a bad leader we are suffering under.
@@hannahhensley8497- God bless you and your inquiring mind and heart! I converted to the Catholic Church after many years as an Anglican. I voraciously read everything relative to the Catholic Faith including works of several of the Ancient Saints. I prayed and studied, pondered and listened. The Holy Spirit will lead you on an amazing journey to plumb the depths of the Mother Church! I love my Catholic Faith and feel at home. That is why Catholics say “welcome home!”
Ask me next year after the results of the Synod
Yep. I do not believe the spirit of the "Synodal Way" is the Holy Spirity. I believe it is the spirit of men and women who want to make the Church in their own image.
Thank you for putting everything in perspective. Thank you again. Love when Father sings with musical accompaniment of course🤗👏👏👏👏👏
Rewatching some of your shows for lent. Not as penance!! Today, on the Feast of St. Peters Chair. He was very passionate that "we" don't love and respect the pope. In his homily he reminded us that people criticize priests and the pope for asking for prayers. Then said, "Do you think the pope made a mistake? It is our fault, yours and mine, because we are not praying for him". I almost stood up and applauded. #prayforpriests
Thank you for saying this.
First, I enjoy listening to y’all, have for years. This comment is coming from a place of love, thoughtfulness and respect. To take on this topic about Pope Francis with the only facet being that the internet is to blame is disingenuous. Pope Francis has said and done things that should make all Catholics raise a brow of suspicion. For y’all to question why we should be talking about this is also confusing. A talk show on the internet arguing we shouldn’t concern ourselves with discourse over the internet. Y’all are my brothers in Christ and I love each one of you. My prayers to y’all, the Pope and all my brothers and sisters. Christ and the HS will take us through these times, always has. We just need faith in what we believe.
I do pray for the pope, but can’t pray for his intentions, when one of his intentions is to crush the Latin mass, the only portion of the church that is growing and not declining. Hoping for a better pope in the future.
Was reading that each "intention" is separate. Not required to pray for all of his intentions all the time.
So, find one or two that you can agree with. One year, he had every church praying the St. Michael prayer at the end of Mass. That's a beautiful intention!
I am thankful for the guy on UA-cam who teaches canon law because there's no program at my parish that even comes close to the level of a theologian to learn from, sadly.
Good Lord! A man who preaches love for all, says we should not judge others sexual behaviour, criticises wealth and sympathises with the poor over the rich! What business does this man have in a Christian institution?!
you guys are so awesome!!!!!! thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good episode, guys/Father (as usual). I think one thing that would be helpful to point out is there is another group of people involved here besides those trying to push a position or purposely cause dissension or argue/profit: that being that many people are really really hurting right now. The unique situation about the last couple years is so many (myself included) feel so used/lied to by those in authority over us (civil and Clergy), and the few (non-religious Dogmas) that we've grown to use to find meaning , that we use cynicism as some kind of a shield, "Wont get fooled again" mentality. Many feel powerless so they turn to these demagogues to not feel alone, defeated, and not lose any more ground because when you feel your entire worldly (but hopefully God inspired) paradigm drops out from under you its really tough to walk forward. (I had to deal with this as a Iraq War veteran, so I understand the pain here...doing better but still bites every now and then) I would love an episode on how to recover from that, or your thoughts, cause other than completely detaching from the world (including trying to better it) and turning to God and living exclusively for the next World, I am not sure. Trust has been shattered for so many of us, the internet makes it impossible to ignore how much we've been lied to, and while I agree with every sentiment said on here I think more stated on trying to heal those dealing with "Moral injury" would go a long way here.
Yes. The Pope and Bishops actually shut down the churches and denied us the Mass and Sacraments. No one came to give last rites or bury the dead. Such betrayal as good Fr. Altman pointed out
However, my Traditional FSSP parish did not shut down. Most of us refused the Pope's vaccine. Now Francis wants to smash Tradition and its Mass entirely.
Just ditch the whole false teachings of the rcc religious institute and do what Jesus did - He referred to scripture for all His refutation of the "scribes and pharisees". Ditch the papacy for the heretical cabal that it is. They present the traditions of men as if it is the word of God - whereas it is truly heretical, false teaching to the gills.
King of Sicily, Thank you for putting your life on the line for the likes of us. So glad you made it home to your family. My son was there twice, got home and attended many funerals. He got some counseling and now is doing well. I will put you in my prayer chain, you’ll be the first King we have prayed for. I think Pope Francis is a disaster, I hope the church survives.
@@CatholicChickAZI'm glad that there's at least ONE someone whose eyes have seen the light. The pope is a leftist that is going to destroy the so-much-loved "tradition". Take refuge in the bible and not men.
A big first step. Study carefully, the lives of the Saints and find a few friends and patrons in Heaven. Get used to speaking to your Guardian Angel.
Contemplate the meaning of the Cross and that the Perfect, Almighty, Eternal, Infinite God, Justice, Goodness, Mercy, Wisdom, Life, Love and Being Himself, first, gave Himself a human body and soul to reach out to each and every one of us that we may more fully and deeply understand His Divine Love. And that He Himself wishes to live and walk wirh and commune with and love us for all eternity, even enough to die, even upo a Cross out of unfathomable, incomprehensible, and unimaginable Love and Mercy. That He desires that each and every man and woman you ever see, heard of, or ever have, are, and ever shall live, might be able to choose to live as His sons and daughters.
Man all will fail you at some point, for each and every one of us is fallen and broken and injured and wandering far from home. From the Master, learn to love them anyway. Only God shall prevail always for you and each of us. Only in Him shall we find a true refuge. Try reading the Imitation of Christ, or maybe Introduction to the Devout Life.
Trust Him.
And expect suffering, this is the Way of the Cross, the only Way to Heaven. The only way home.
Conversation is great, it is through conversation that we can grow in intellect. If we don't talk we can't learn
You guys should definetily talk about Our Lady of Zeitoun, one of the most spectacular apparitions of the Virgin Mary in the 20th century
Exactly!!!! I met an Egyptian man over 35 years ago...when I was just a teen. He shared his personal conversion story on a particular day of the apparition in Zeitoun. His experience lingered with me over the years and was one of the 'big ones' that brought me back to faith. ❤
@@faethdanu219 Could you tell me his testimony, please? I love reading about zeitoun
Watched "Eternal Rest: Art of Dying Well" and Fr. Pagano guest stars from the Catholic Talk Show studio.
Time will tell what kind of Pope Francis will be remembered as. I loved him so much when he became Pope but each and every year, to my dismay, he does something to lose my trust. It feels like having a bad parent. There HAVE BEEN terrible Popes so we don't need to categorically support everything about the Pope. The man is different from the position.
I'm a returning Catholic I was a catholic in my youth and I see people online condemning pope Francis for promoting pagan idolatry and gay marriage without actually looking into the matter. Just a little investigation and understanding absolves him of these sins. No disrespect or any pun intended.
I was nervous to listen to this podcast but so appreciate your points of view. You’re logical and so calming and rational. My elderly parents live in the Diocese that is the hotbed of most of the controversy that is going on now and I am shocked how much they are being fed politics and are turning against the Pope. Will try to get them to listen to this. Thank you
You guys always put things in a good perspective for me. You help me to pray to hear what God is saying, instead of jumping to conclusions. I was just wondering the other day how I should be thinking about all the news about the Pope. Thank you for being the adults in the room and God bless you.
To be fair when the Pope starts acting like a politician then he opens the door to be targeted as such. Francis has taken many political stances that deserve to be criticized. His attack on Traditional Catholics is one example, and his tolerance of German bishops, etc... You can respect the office but disagree with the person. Unless he declares something Ex Cathedra I for one choose to remain skeptical.
Absolutely
Bingo!
Right on!!
As Catholics, we owe assent to Church teaching (yes, including from the Pope) beyond the bounds of Ex Cathedra pronouncements. I encourage you brother to look more into this issue. I’m not entirely informed on these matters myself, but the idea that we can just dissent from the Pope unless he’s defining a new Marian dogma or something is a mistaken understanding of both the magisterium and papal infallibility. Furthermore, Pope Francis has on many occasions, as recently as just a few days ago, condemned the German bishops and their "Synodal Way" as highly problematic. Resolving the issues with the German Church is not as simple as just removing and replacing the bishops however, lest a new schism result. Finally, his restriction of the Latin Mass is well within his power (just as it was within Benedict XVI's to expand access to it). Not to mention, his restriction was not simply an attack on tradition. It was responding to very real issues that are present in Latin mass communities - not all communities, and not everyone in them, but a significant amount, and I can personally attest to the problems from having encountered them. Was it the best solution, maybe, maybe not. I for one do not want to see the TLM restricted, but I understand why it happened. Let us pray for unity and healing in the body of Christ that in the future we would not have these issues.
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Can you show me in the CCC where the Holy Fathers infallibility extends beyond E.C. Statements please?
I don't remember if I commented on this channel before, but here is what I keep coming back to. Every time I get worked up about any of these "monumental issues " our Lady says( not in a vision or audible way) pray a rosary for that intention. For the Latin mass controversy I learned the rosary in Latin, for the German synodality stuff I learned to pray in german(Sei gegrusst, o Konigin! Mutter der Barmherzigkeit) and every rosary must include the Pope's intention.
That is a really good simple devotional practice.
God bless you, brother in Christ!
Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary, I trust in you. Amen!
At least someone can quote the analogy of Plato and the cave without your friends looking at you like huh? Great show yall! Where can I get a copy of that big book Father has, and the cannon law?
Another wonderful show gentlemen. What a pleasure to listen to opinions and the facts of the Church. Well done! More and more, I see clearly thru those “clicks bait” thumbnails on the Pope and so-called controversies. Eh, don’t need their opinions, buh-bye! Thanks for your clarity! Also love how you present the Catholic Church as alive and ever-changing…..bravo.
I was disappointed that you never really answered the question. Moreover, when you tried to say that the Internet was making the pope into a politician like individual you failed to point out that the pope has stepped into, politically charged topics and rendered opinions, which put him squarely in the middle of those debates. Specifically I will point to global warming as an example.
Thanks for dressing up
Be careful folks. Legend has it if you say anything critical of Pope Francis that Michael Lofton will come out.
If you really think that Lofton has never criticized Pope Francis, then you haven't watched enough of his content. He's critical of a few things, but not of the stuff Pope Francis is falsely accused of.
@@tonyalongi4409 hey buddy. It’s a joke.
Hahahaaa.
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OK. He has 'full and supreme power'. The question is: has he abused it? He's been in the office now for ten years and a significant number of Catholics believe that in fact he has abused his power. I read again recently 'The Dictator Pope' by Marcantonio Colonna. This was written five years after this pope's election and it has been interesting to view the last five years in the light of that earlier critique. A difficulty for critics is that we have become used in the centuries since the sixteenth to popes who, more or less, behaved as one would expect. It is not easy to conclude that at last we have one who manifestly has not. To avoid this conclusion, we find people indulging in frankly untenable arguments that this pope is not a true pope, and so on. The answer may be to take a long-term view of the papacy. The truth of the matter is that in the distant past there have been some rotters. And Jesus Himself warned us to beware of false shepherds. There is absolutely no guarantee that the line of rotters has died out. We should calmly accept that fact, and pay no heed to ill-considered utterances of an authority figure if we think he can't be trusted, whether he's a bishop of Rome or anywhere else.
No matter what any of us like or not, as the Heir of Saint Peter, his Magisterium is valid and we must obey that. For better or worse, God will not allow the Gates of Hell to prevail against His Holy Church.
I am listening to this especially the question about; "Being able to do something about a dissagrement, conversation is doing something"
I am 73 years old. I was raised Catholic and love the Church ❤. However, a year prior to Pope Francis becoming Pope, I was so discouraged about the Church. Why? I was becoming increasingly discouraged by the rhetoric of the U.S. Bishops, political bias that was influencing local diocese practices and the actions/comments by some parishioners. When a friend in another state sent me a copy of a letter from her Bishop stating that anyone voting for a particular Presidential candidate should refrain from taking Communion I became EXTREMELY depressed! I did Adoration weekly from 1AM to 2AM and was often alone. I prayed and prayed for guidance! Where had the Church I loved gone in my country? So many no longer had compassion for the immigrant, the poor, the sick and elderly. Having worked in corporate America, l knew many gays, people who were divorced and remarried, people who cheated on their spouse, young people cohabitating without marriage, people who were non-religious, etc. It seemed my fellow Catholics were able to look beyond many sins unless it had to do with homosexuality or other similar situations! For that there was NO UNDERSTANDING or compassion. I found that most had never bothered to have a real conversation about the subject with anyone they knew was gay! Few sit with a recent undocumented immigrant and listen to their story of why they traveled 1000 miles to reach the U.S.
Then Pope Francis became our Pope and I found hope in the Church again. I think, despite the lack of support many Catholics give him, the Holy Spirit guided his selection because of where we are in history. This is not about making same sex marriage OK in the Church or changing the stance on abortion or some other "sin". Pope Francis asks that we show compassion and love to our neighbors, coworkers, the immigrant inspite of their actions. It's about letting God do the judging because that is not our responsibility.
One of the reasons so many young people love Pope Francis is because he preaches love, forgiveness and understanding. Isn't that what Christ asks of us?
You are amazing!
As LGBT Catholic, I love you! God bless you.
I think with the progress made in the World nowadays we get to much distraction from the outside of the Church. I know progress is necessary but at the same time it can be an Evil thing. We have so many Content Creators or Influencers and Internet Host that are raking the Church over the coals now, so people that see or listen to these things are looking at everything from the back and not the front. Not to mention the fact that these people are also making a fortune off of the people that they get to believe them about everything and follow along with them. I started to buy a couple books from some of them and then I realized they are just talking down the Church and telling us that this and that is in a horrible state and try to keep us scared and looking for the truth, when all we need is a good Catholic Bible and maybe a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church. The message is Jesus started the Catholic Church and named Peter as the first Pope so with the line of succession we should accept and Love the Pope now as Jesus loved Peter our first Pope.
I loved Pope Benedict.
We've had bad Popes before, we have a bad Pope now. He's not God. I pray for him but I do not trust this guy at all. He's very very pagan friendly.
I am not sure whether or not you will discuss Pius IX’s dogma on the limits of papal infallibility in this episode. It sounds likely.
How did you all meet?
The man himself is a politician, and always has been. Anyone who doesn’t know that is ignorant of the biography of the man long before he ever became Pope
I not only don’t like the Pope, I don’t think he represents Christ at all. After what he has done to Bishop Strickland it only confirms what I thought. And I know many people that have left the Church because of this Pope.
Trust that the Holy Spirit knows what He is doing in guiding the Church and in guiding Pope Francis to his office as pope. Your problem is not with Pope Francis, you seem to lack faith that the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. When people say they are leaving the Church because of Pope Francis, I question their faith in the Catholic Church and in Christ. Our Lord Jesus gave us His guarantee that the gates of hell shall it prevail against His church founded on St. Peter. Our Lord’s words are as true today as they were 2000 years ago.
@@DM-sj9xd there are prophesies that talk about this Pope. He is not God, he is a man. I am telling you that I know people that have left the Church because of this man. Questioning my faith is completely out of line.
@@karenkemmerling7088 Christ established His Church on Saint Peter and his successors as the cornerstone. Only Saint Peter was preserved of the Apostles as Satan sifted them like wheat. The Holy Spirit only protects the Pope and the Church as a whole from falling into heretical error.
You need to pray for those people, they are walking off very possibly to eternal death.
Please what prophecies do you speak of? I can not think they are from God if they are part of what is leading people to apostacy.
I have received God’s Grace lo love Pope Francis, he’s human and we as a Church need to correct like Paul did to our first Pope St. Peter
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Pray for The Church, our Pope, our priests, daily pray The Rosary and we go to mass for The Eucharist🙏
I respect The Papacy not the man he is a jesuit
This woke political Pope has nothing to be proud of. God Bless Bishop Strikland. Not one dime will I give the Catholic church under this Pope's reign. The church has endured bad Popes before, we will survive this.
You do know that hurts your community, diocese and all of the priests and religious in there much more than it does the Vatican right? And it doesn`t really convey any message. Pray and do not allow the enemy to embitter and shrivel up your heart.
No! But we don’t hate him and we do pray for him.🙏
Give praise to The Lord Jesus, Yeshua Ha'Mashiach!
Ryan S I feel from your comment you are on the side on many flocks - LATIN Mass
It’s like in the military, you don’t have to like the man, but you must respect the office.
He’s made himself a political figure. He’s trying to distance himself from the title Vicar of Christ.
His lack of clarity has caused many Catholics to stumble.
Isn't he only infallible ex cathedra, which has only been done twice.
Jesus died for everybody not just catholics
So therefore....
In a year from now, you will all be changing your tune.
We've moved around, but have been told not to remain kneeling for the Eucharistic prayer (though we are Canadian) by the bishop.
The bishop told a parish member about to start seminary not to kneel and not receive on the tongue because it makes people feel obligated.
Our choir is often closing mass with bongos, shakers, and just a wall of noise to entertain children.
And now the bishop is talking about not being able to kneel after receiving until everyone has received.
Our Parish is great, but many of the things happening seem to be about making others feeling better or to make Catholicism more accessible.
Important question. Has he made any of this official dioscean policy or is it just private talk?
Unless it is official, it has no bearing. Do not open the door for the Devil to steal your peace. The wretch will gladly oblige if you allow. Guard your door well against what may lead you to not trust and be in the peace of God.
@@LostArchivist the bishop has instructed on those directly to the perish.
@@EC_ATV_Outdoors Ah I see. Try bringing up the matter to him, if you can. If he is intractable about it and you are still greatly disturbed by it; you can try to go to the metropolitan or whoever is above him if you think the liturgical abuse is severe enough to warrant it. But in the principle of subsidiarity, only after all avenues to attempt so with him have been tried and failed. And remain respectful and humble and only seeking the good always and never vengence or oneupmanship.
Also pray very hard for both yourself and the matter, your parish and pastor and espescially your bishop. And trust the Lord and if all else fails, bear it as a cross in reparation to the Lord.
@@LostArchivist can't even express how many times the diocese has rejected direct communique with the bishop.
Literally, wrote a letter, got a call from the parish, with a demand to show up at the parish office at a specific time for an "audience" with the bishop.
Had to take off work. 30 minutes after the mandated time, this harried , chaotic sister comes barging into the parish office, screaming "how dare you!"
The sister was there in her frumpy tan suit and boy haircut as a "representative" of the bishop.
Other letters were just ignored. Phone calls were never returned.
Have not met one person in the diocese that was allowed to meet with the bishop about anything important. The dude and his successor travels in multiple black Ford excursions with armed body guards.
@@mrsducky3428 Turn it over to Our Lady of Lourdes or Guadelupe. Pray and trust and wait patiently for the Lord to answer your prayers. Bear your cross well and in good patience for all souls involved conversion and trust our Lord to do as He alone knows to answer your plight. Do not be afraid.
Trust Him.
Dear New Englanders/Northeasterners: set the video to 1.25x speed and it will feel normal speed.
I don't have a hour to watch the full video. Can someone tell me the answer to the question: should I like Pope Francis or not?
No, but you should pray for him to help rid him of the demons who have infected him.
"short answer yes, with an if" / "long answer no, with a but" :)
The answer is that you have to respect his office, obey his like all Magisterium of the Church, pray for him, and love him as we are called to love all our fellow man. But you do not have to like him or agree with everything he says, only what he teaches, but always be in the knowledge that he is our shepherd and spiritual father and we must be attentive to his role.
Subsidiarity means that the lowest level of organization required to address a problem should be used. That doesn’t always mean the lowest level of organization.
I LOVE Pope Francis and pray for him everyday.
I have a question when I was younger 11-12 and was in middle of committing I had a thought that is similar to the line of "I would trade holy spirit for this* or something similar to that and still committed the sin, I was so scared after I did the sin, can I be forgiven?
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is presuming on God`s mercy and sinning or remaining obstinently in sin to try to get away with it and then repent. Or despairing, thinking your sin is too great for God to ever forgive. Or being incredulous of God and His promise or ability to forgive.
One`s sins can not be forgiven in such states but if one repents of them, they and one`s other sins can be forgiven.
The truly unforgivable sin, is remaining unrepentant of mortal sin at the moment of death, this is permenant and supreme blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. This is because it is a final rejection of God`s Love, which, the Holy Spirit is the Love between God the Father and God the Son from all eternity. So one rejects the Holy Spirit and God by doing so.
yeah but I was biting my lips and I had a blasphemous thought (that was similar to what the Pharisees said) and I think my teeth like lip-synch to the blasphemous
@@L3V_qwp Bring it to your confessor and repent of it the next time you recieve the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Then be at ease and trust Christ`s Saving Sacrifice on the Holy Cross and the Lord`s Divine Mercy.
Trust Him and love Him.
He acts like a politician!
Im a good person with great parents. Of course, in general, they get more of my attention, but I essentially treat everyone the same. For someone like me, I equate the Honor Thy Father And Mother commandment to honoring Jesus and Mary through my daily life. That's harder to do in the minute details of living. As an adult who is cognizant of their teaching, and direction, am I always practicing it? No😄. I've gotten better with age, and have less moments of retrospect, but I still have to be mindful in certain moments.
40:04 - talkin' 'bout Marshall. 😤
All statements of the Pope and Magisterium must be weighed against the 10 commandments. Then one can analyse the details.
Would Jesus approve same sex unions?
Don’t think so, but Francis will
Nope. He would call them to repentance
No. He would however eat with them to humble those who are hypocrites.
No. I don’t like this Pope. His decision making has made me question and doubt him. He behaves like a politician, a communist politician. He doesn’t like or agree with you, you get fired. That’s what I have seen…twice now. I don’t like this Pope. I love my Church, My Faith. I Adore My God. That’s all for me ❤️
I stand with Bishop Strickland!!
Amen !.
To what end? Virtue signalling is meaningless, and no amount of protest changes the fact of the matter. The Pope is not a president, he is answerable to God, not the sheep.
Bring your fire to serve Christ in evangelizing the world that is actively slipping further every day into darkness, not grumbling in matters we can not change and have no right or say in.
Trust Christ to run His Church and work to till the soil and spread the seeds of the Gospel for souls.
As our Blessed Lord said, ' The harvest is abundant but the laborers are few; so ask the master of the harvest to send out laborers for his harvest. '
(Gospel of Saint Luke 10:2)
Sow diligently that the Lord may reap many souls for the Kingdom of Heaven!
“There are Forces right now in the Vatican that DON’T WANT THE TRUTH of The Gospel. They want to change it. They want to ignore it.”
{Bishop Joseph Strickland, 2023}
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc Be very wary my sister in Christ, seperation from the Heir of Saint Peter is seperation from Christ and His Church. There is no other way to Heaven. If any, whether a bishop, cardinal, monk, nun, abbot, prioress, priest mystic, theologian, philosopher, journalist, scientist, angel, apparition or any other thing lead you away from the Bishop of Rome and so Christ's Church, do not follow them. They are either being astray themselves or are wolves in shepherd's clothing. Schism is grave matter as is apostasy.
Trust Christ our Great High Priest and Eternal King, to govern His Church.
Where there are any such as you say or as I say, we must pray and fast for then in either case that the Lord may rain His grace upon them to repent and amend their lives as we all must.
God bless you.
Every rosary I say is for Pope Francis, what else can I do ❤️🙏📿
You can try to exorcise him.
@@lindadubois3022 Careful.
There are more worthy things to pray for rather than this pope.
@@emlinend None of us are worthy of anything but Hell. Pray for those in need.
@@lindadubois3022 God will not be mocked. Remember the pope is the vicar of Christ.
I do not like the Pope at all. However, I do pray for him every day when I offer up my Rosary. I do not pray for his intentions as I think they are not pure and that he is leading the Church in the wrong direction. He is a father that hates his children who are traditional. The best bishop in the world is fired while the German bishops and Fr. James Martin openly promote homosexuality and our president touts his "faith" while promoting everything contrary to it. I go to Latin Mass 2x a month and Novus Ordo 2x a month and am thankful that my local bishop is a good spiritual father to me, not eliminating TLM as some have done. If it was up to Pope Francis, it seems that everything traditional will get eliminated. May we have holy bishops, cardinals, and lay people who will stand up for the truth to his modernism.
Viva Papa Francesca!
If the Pope blesses idols and says it’s ok to bless gay couples what are we to do?
As far as the Latin Mass its something I really need. I drive an hour each way because our Bishop (due to the order of this Pope) has suppressed it to one single church in our dioceses. It seems that’s he is not providing Pastoral care that everyone needs. The Novus Ordo is valid but feels so empty to me. The local priest doesn’t even sing the words of consecration. It feels like he doesn’t care that much or he doesn’t really believe in what he’s doing.
well he didnt so where do we go🤔🤔
@@biblealone9201 what?
there is not a bishop who has ever treated me decently. why should i like the pope?
I love the pope. I disagree with the homosexual statement but who hasnt said something off. Like he is human.
It it not about when we disagree with your boss the pope..it IS about what to do when the Pope's rulings disagree with self-evident teachings of Jesus Christ! Either way we Love the Church..the church is whom...US!
You don't have to like the pope, as they said, just respect him.
Pope Benedict was forced to resign?
As Catholics we believe that the Holy Spirit moves the Cardinals to elect who should be Pope. If Pope Francis is good enough for the Holy Spirit, he is good enough for me.
God sees into your heart.
So He sees that when I criticize the Pope that I care about truth.
The Army tought me this from Day 1.
You must respect the rank but you don't have to respect the Man behind the rank.
I think this is a very basic way we should look at the Pope.
But for the Faithful Catholic it's much more complicated then this on several levels.
1. God teaches us directly and indirectly through the Saints, Fathers and Doctors of the Church. That we need to especially pray for and show Christian Love and Charity towards our enemies along with forgiving them.
Now enemies in this context can be taken in several ways. Anyone reading this would downright delusional if they didn't understand the fact that many of the Faithful Catholics downright hate the Pope.
So in a sense he is there enemy.
So these Faithful Catholics no matter what's level our dislike is for him ( yes I count myself in that group I have a serious dislike for many things he's said, not said, done or not done) we need to pray for him and ask the good Lord above to give us Christian Love and Charity towards him.
Also we must never ever disrespect the chair of Peter for he is the Vicor of Christ period. If we disrespect him we disrespect Christ.
We also need to remember Christ is in Charge he gave us this Pope at this time in History for a reason.
His ways our not our ways. We need to have complete and utter trust in him.
Use this time to grow in Obedience, faith and trust in the Lord.
Very well said, and completely agree with you. God has will that this man be our Pope. Jesus I trust in you and your holy will.
"micro-managing " ? How often had the pope interfered with what the bishops on their day to day???