State of GRADING: How to Grade Now that PSA Bought SGC! (Updated Strategy)

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  • Geoff talks with Joe Davis about their updated strategy for grading sports cards after the news broke that PSA bought SGC.
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  • @zbsportscards
    @zbsportscards 3 місяці тому +13

    wrong take on SGC Geoff. They grew for a reason. Great take Joe.

    • @zbsportscards
      @zbsportscards 3 місяці тому +1

      This comment deals mainly with the first 15 minutes of the video (SGC modern take).

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +3

      (From Joe) - Thanks for watching and providing input. Time will tell what happens, should be interesting to see how this plays out.

  • @florenciohernandezjr.2556
    @florenciohernandezjr.2556 3 місяці тому +22

    I’ll take a BGS 9.5 over a PSA 9 any day.

    • @RuudKuntz
      @RuudKuntz 3 місяці тому +5

      I'd take a BGS 9.5 over a PSA 10. You no longer have to have 4 sharp corners to get a PSA 10. BGS are a much better company.

  • @josesoberanes8661
    @josesoberanes8661 3 місяці тому +17

    SGC is not and will not be a value/budget alternative. LOL! That is crazy talk!

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +3

      (From Joe) - We will have to see what happens down the road, but my opinion is that Collectors added SGC as a great asset to their company, not to buy them to turn them into the next BCCG

    • @RuudKuntz
      @RuudKuntz 3 місяці тому +1

      SGC are awful. They send valuable cards back unsleeved and ungraded. They downgrade the elite players' cards.

    • @dwiii1635
      @dwiii1635 2 місяці тому +4

      PSA sucks, too. You just get a grade with no reasoning and you are to accept it, lol. That's crazy in 2024.@@RuudKuntz

  • @jcbuckeye
    @jcbuckeye 3 місяці тому +32

    I go thru SGC because I hate everything about psa and all the idiots that prop up their ugly product. SGC 10 is always a 10 no matter what. A psa 7 could be a psa 10 I have seen it happen

    • @grindstone11
      @grindstone11 3 місяці тому +2

      SGC 10 can have some surface damage.
      It’s the same with PSA and centering.
      To each their own

    • @jcbuckeye
      @jcbuckeye 3 місяці тому +2

      No, it can't. Now if you are talking about a vintage card that is still a 10 That's a different story What?It takes to get a ten in the nineteen sixty one tops Is less than one , it takes to get a ten and a 2021 justin fields prizm rookie. As it should be. Nobody can argue that sgc Isn't the far superior consistent grading product. You can say you don't like the cases over p s a But the product is better and the cost is lower.. I will be out of your buying SGC 10s at a discount for all my pc cards And in fifty years When my kids are selling them They will be worth more.

    • @floridamaddogg
      @floridamaddogg 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@jcbuckeyeI just added a comment that states a few similar thoughts you just stated. A SGC 9 or 10 are strong grades and would easily cross to PSA 9 or 10 and a SGC 9.5 could go either way, but I say 60% to PSA 10. Too many sell their souls and prop up PSA where I feel the same way. The biggest difference is PSA more lenient with centering and SGC more lenient with surface finish. I would rather have stronger centering standards as that affects card appeal more. I have graded with both, but I am doing a wait and see approach here because I feel SGC won't survive this.

    • @buffalobill9793
      @buffalobill9793 3 місяці тому +5

      Ya PSA is a joke. The slab might say it's a ten but you will always wonder if it really is a 10. I would never pay for a PSA 10 because I know half at least maybe as much as 80 to 90% are not worthy of the generous grade.

    • @buffalobill9793
      @buffalobill9793 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@floridamaddogg there isn't an Sgc 9.5 slab out there that would fall to a PSA 9. PSA slabs might cost the most but there is little doubt the grades are the weakest in the business.

  • @1997CARDSxx
    @1997CARDSxx 3 місяці тому +13

    Collectors purchased it before Fanatics could!

    • @Goobastank
      @Goobastank 3 місяці тому

      That is what I see too

  • @RHDHfan
    @RHDHfan 3 місяці тому +43

    You have a 30+ year business expert Joe Davis sitting there and Geoff can't stop blabbing to really allow Joe's experience to be heard.

    • @zbsportscards
      @zbsportscards 3 місяці тому

      I agree.

    • @yodapappacards
      @yodapappacards 3 місяці тому +2

      Agreed blah blah

    • @mrgreencity5749
      @mrgreencity5749 3 місяці тому +2

      I also agree. He should of let him speak more.

    • @anthonylong5870
      @anthonylong5870 3 місяці тому +3

      Yep , Why have an expert on when all your going to do is run on and on about yourself and your thoughts?

    • @garyoreilly3463
      @garyoreilly3463 3 місяці тому +1

      Really Don’t agree! Can we not Just respect the content provided and valid points made by both guys. Another great video keep up the good work 👍

  • @Joe-cf3vo
    @Joe-cf3vo 3 місяці тому +3

    Smart move by Collectors. SGC has excellent customer service, turnarond times, history and consistent grading. PSA gets overwhelmed with submissions commanding nearly 80% of the market. SGC in my opinion will be utilized by PSA to help with turnaround times. I will still use SGC.

  • @ladybughummingbird66
    @ladybughummingbird66 3 місяці тому +8

    I feel cards that our in older Beckett holders mainly 1of1 can sustain. I said the same thing: Fanatic should purchase Beckett. I believe there should be competition in the grading arena.

    • @grindstone11
      @grindstone11 3 місяці тому

      The problem is Beckett is so far away from being a purchasable asset. It's built into another company and side business. I forget who it was that had a deep dive, must have been T Pott or someone similar. But it's not a company that you can simply acquire. I think the CEO is in Jail or something is part of it? lol

    • @ladybughummingbird66
      @ladybughummingbird66 3 місяці тому +1

      Beckett does have it problem. In order for them to survive, they need new investors. Drain the swamp with the CEO and below.

  • @tipofthemittcollectablesan9248
    @tipofthemittcollectablesan9248 2 місяці тому

    Love the guest part of this one. Joe's opinion is so real. And I completely respect it.

  • @southernsnaps8599
    @southernsnaps8599 3 місяці тому +5

    Jeff you should like you don't want SGC to be on par with PSA.. They should have the same high standard and if they do it's just really a holder choice.

    • @flea_1280
      @flea_1280 3 місяці тому +7

      I completely agree with you. Think the other dude is spot on, and SGC value will increase.

  • @tubenachos
    @tubenachos 3 місяці тому +2

    If I'm not mistaken the Top 3 highest sold sports cards in history are in SGC holders. Not surprised Collectors bought them.

  • @SGCcollector
    @SGCcollector 3 місяці тому +5

    Obviously nobody knows anything for sure and Geoff and Joe both make very good arguments. I have to agree more with Joe in that I think this is a huge win for the SGC brand. In every regard, other than resale value which is a big one, SGC is by far the better company. Customer service, turnaround times, consistant grading and hands down the best looking slabs. Whether modern or vintage, cards always look better in an SGC slab.
    It only makes sense that Collectors Universe purchased SGC as they are gaining traction on PSA and wanted to obtain them while they still could. As large and as important PSA is, they are slowly loosing their overall market share to SGC and I think this will continue as SGC is the superior company, but it’s hard changing peoples minds as there are so many diehard PSA fans.
    SGC is known for their consistent grading and regardless what happens, would never fall into a category of companies like BCCG, GIA, or anybody else. SGC now has more financial backing and I believe will continue the slow climb to the top of the grading card industry. But I could be totally wrong too, haha 😂

    • @buffalobill9793
      @buffalobill9793 3 місяці тому

      There are no die hard PSA fans. I would like to hear from one die hard PSA fan that loves PSA for its good looking quality slabs and strict grading standards. Everyone that is a PSA fan is so because they have the weakest grading standards in the hobby and therefor most likely place to get a 10 whether the card deserves it or not.

    • @josesoberanes8661
      @josesoberanes8661 3 місяці тому

      AGREE!

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому

      (From Joe) - Thanks for watching and your input!

    • @zacharyswarts4200
      @zacharyswarts4200 3 місяці тому

      @@buffalobill9793 I agree with you. In my opinion an SGC Pristine 10 should be more valuable than a PSA 10 because it has to be perfect 50/50 centering while psa doesn't have a comparative grade and the GM MT from PSA can be 55/45 and still be a 10.

  • @PERKCARDS
    @PERKCARDS 3 місяці тому +4

    I think we all know just do the opposite of what Geoff says and you’ll be fine!!!

  • @weaversteelers1670
    @weaversteelers1670 3 місяці тому +4

    So what I am hearing is that SGC is now going to become the equivalent BCCG grade to PSA . My question is why would SGC do this when they were catching up to PSA! I do only use SGC for Vintage anyway but I do hope it continues to hold its value and respect for this market.

    • @Doors067
      @Doors067 3 місяці тому +1

      They arent that's ludicrous, he's saying that because he's a psa fanboi

    • @emilnewhouse3176
      @emilnewhouse3176 2 місяці тому

      Definitely won’t happen. That’s been an utter business disaster for Beckett. Collectors wouldn’t even think about following suit. Terrible take by Jeff.

  • @spokanecole6071
    @spokanecole6071 3 місяці тому +3

    So funny, love how Joe says company. Literally "kump knee"😂

  • @MrCjduncan
    @MrCjduncan 2 місяці тому

    wonder if personnel (grading teams) will be agnostic to keep orders on schedule for both brands?

  • @drewhunkins7192
    @drewhunkins7192 3 місяці тому +4

    The BIG question: will the grade be honored on SGC graded cards that are submitted to PSA? In other words, will PSA put that SGC grade on the same card in a PSA slab?

    • @CardNerd304
      @CardNerd304 3 місяці тому

      That's not even a question. It will be the same as its always been. They will look at the card submitted and assign it a grade based on their standards. The card is the card.

    • @drewhunkins7192
      @drewhunkins7192 3 місяці тому

      @@CardNerd304 It is a question bc I've heard it posed by several people who have youtube shows about sports cards. I tend to agree with you, but there's a part of me that thinks PSA wouldn't want to devalue the company it acquired so it might just cross them over as the same grade.

    • @jude999
      @jude999 2 місяці тому +1

      No. Sgc will go away and their grades not honored

    • @dwiii1635
      @dwiii1635 2 місяці тому

      @@jude999 That's the complete opposite of what Collectors is saying, lol.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому +1

      ​@drewhunkins7192 the thing is at least for right now, they are 2 totally separate companies. Each with their own grading standards. So they will still use their standards to grade the card. No matter if in a holder or not

  • @chrisd7809
    @chrisd7809 3 місяці тому +1

    Very strong analysis/theory. Makes sense to do what Geoff said simply because it puts PSA on a bigger pedestal to increase there overall value.

    • @marcusbrooks7861
      @marcusbrooks7861 3 місяці тому +1

      No. It doesn't. It reaffirms what collectors already knew. SGC is by far the more consistent grader. Ppl seem to forget trimmed Honus Wagner and Gretzky rookies PSA slabbed before Covid.

    • @marcusbrooks7861
      @marcusbrooks7861 3 місяці тому

      SGC took the vintage market from PSA like a bully steals someone's lunch money. PSA cornered the TCG market because no one knew it would be this big for this long.

  • @robinrahmani4705
    @robinrahmani4705 3 місяці тому +2

    In the midst of all this, wondering what will happen with BGS. Wondering if BGS will have the interest to make necessary changes in management in order to return to glory. Also, wondering if they will also be gobbled up. So many great cards in the secondary market are In a BGS slap. I hope they are also provided with the opportunity SGS now has (and very deserving). As the primary grading company which provides sub grades, I believe BGS is deserving of an overhaul in order to gain traction.

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +2

      (From Joe) - Excellent points. There are many of us that hope BGS can turn things around as they have been respected for many decades in the hobby.

  • @phillipmichalec9486
    @phillipmichalec9486 3 місяці тому

    VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO. THANK YOU

  • @RubenRios-bk9lj
    @RubenRios-bk9lj 3 місяці тому +1

    Please make a video about if/when companies will turn to AI grading. There would no concern with crossover if there was a consensus on an AI grading point scale used by all companies. Do we need regulation for this to happen? Why are we not there by now? If you have grade GM 10 from A company, it will cross over to grade GM 10 at B company. The only issue from the consumer is slab and set registry preference. This will eliminate most secondary market issues.

  • @brushben22
    @brushben22 3 місяці тому +7

    I love Beckett. People need to stop following others and go with what they like. BGS is great, be a leader

    • @jmaxiu0204
      @jmaxiu0204 3 місяці тому

      I like the fit and finish of their slabs, and that's it. Their communication and customer service are atrocious. Their turnaround times are the longest of the three major grader companies, their bulk rates with subgrades (the only redeeming aspect of their grading standards) are only $1 less than PSA, and they upcharge for autographed cards.

    • @RuudKuntz
      @RuudKuntz 3 місяці тому

      Beckett are the best of a bad bunch

  • @mauriciobori
    @mauriciobori 3 місяці тому

    Yes yes yes yes to the BGs acquisition great idea Geoff always thinking ahead

  • @djlorz4283
    @djlorz4283 3 місяці тому

    I commented last week on the investor channel asking if you would do an SGC 10 price and a PSA 10 price on hot/cold cards..... would you now that PSA bought SGC?

  • @BrokenCulture
    @BrokenCulture 3 місяці тому +3

    Politics
    PSA will keep SGC separate in optics but internally it's PSA

  • @leehaskins307
    @leehaskins307 3 місяці тому +3

    I think BGS has a strong name in the hobby.. they have become less grarded in number of cards… but most agree a bgs with sub grades is still there thing.. the sub grades r unique and people like them… so trying to cross over a bgs 9.5 to a PSA card is VERY risky…it most likely will be a PSA 9… i would buy a BGS 9.5 any day over a PSA 9

    • @philcapenmsgamingsports
      @philcapenmsgamingsports 3 місяці тому

      Well that's just obvious a bgs 9.5 is gem mint and psa 9 is mint......

    • @buffalobill9793
      @buffalobill9793 3 місяці тому +1

      Of course you would. The Bgs 9.5 is guarenteed the stronger card. Also I disagree that most Bgs 9.5's would cross over as a PSA 9. I would bet my entire collection that isn't the case. Most Bgs 9.5's are on par or better than much of the PSA 10 population.

    • @buffalobill9793
      @buffalobill9793 3 місяці тому +1

      Also of course people like the sub grades. They should. It should be mandatory that all grading companies have this. It let's the customer know where the flaws on their cards are and if your card that you thought would get a 10 but comes back anything less sub grades are valuable information. I think they should be mandatory in the hobby because they also hold the grader accountable for their grades. I have not and nor will I ever buy a card in a Psa slab. Psa 10's are junk grade 10's.

  • @Scatter23
    @Scatter23 3 місяці тому +1

    This is good content. 👍

  • @ShinobiXXXBDO
    @ShinobiXXXBDO Місяць тому

    I recall a time where BGS 9.5 was = to a PSA 10 and BGS 10s being the holy grail... But all i see now is the opportunity to buy bgs slabs cheap and cross over

  • @ZiggyNo
    @ZiggyNo 3 місяці тому +2

    Did you mention ISA 😂
    Wizards and Magic.

  • @kryptic8956
    @kryptic8956 3 місяці тому +4

    I really hope SGC 10 = PSA 10.

    • @Duuuval23
      @Duuuval23 День тому

      I’ve been checking prices and they seem to be on equal footing.

  • @PrairiePridePoultry
    @PrairiePridePoultry 3 місяці тому +1

    I traded for a true GemMt BGS 9.5 Mike Trout 2011 Topps Update RC. I cracked it open and submitted to PSA, hoping for a 10, but it came back as a 9, unfortunately... it was a gamble, lol

    • @dwiii1635
      @dwiii1635 2 місяці тому

      That's crazy. And what did PSA tell you was wrong with the card?

  • @Duuuval23
    @Duuuval23 День тому

    So did Geoff’s prediction hold water or are SGC cards just as profitable as PSA cards now?

  • @darius5396
    @darius5396 3 місяці тому +1

    Subtract the amount of base cards sent to PSA then tell me the submission rate. Still highest in subs but a big difference

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому +1

      Yep the set registry plays a huge part. Something sgc was in the process of implementing when they were purchased😊

  • @KeehanPartnersInc
    @KeehanPartnersInc 3 місяці тому

    Like the analyst and both of your thoughts. Gotta say as a guy who owns an advertising agency don’t look to PSA to increase their ad budget to support SGC products. Just not likely. A company purchases another to make money not to have to increase their budgets to spend more.
    Just my thoughts

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      If psa was the one that bought them that would be true, collectors bought them though. They will want each company to flourish.

  • @jasonconte2674
    @jasonconte2674 3 місяці тому

    If I bring my cards to Cards HQ, can they be submitted through Joe for grading or do I need to ship them? Thanks.

  • @PomskyAriel
    @PomskyAriel 2 місяці тому

    I cracked an SGC 9.5 to a psa 10

  • @grumpyvet7670
    @grumpyvet7670 3 місяці тому

    Hey Geoff! I've bought (and sold) a lot sports cards over the years. I've recently expanded to NASCAR trading cards. I'm hesitant on pursuing them, and I was wondering what your thoughts on them are.

  • @petegeanacopulos1582
    @petegeanacopulos1582 11 днів тому

    This dudes voice reminds me The Man, a young Sam Elliott

  • @ricardog8206
    @ricardog8206 2 місяці тому

    I like Beckett subgrades and the case.
    By card shops recommending PSA or SGC they’re making the problem worse because that could have been a Becket submission.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      They recommend what the market dictates and right now that isn't bgs

  • @chrishayes4166
    @chrishayes4166 3 місяці тому

    The price guide/Name recognition for that is the biggest value for buying Beckett, what an odd take here. Market Movers doesn't want Fantatics grabbing the Beckett brand for their own market/collection valuation tracking tool which Rubin has rumored is in the works I suppose?

  • @Doors067
    @Doors067 3 місяці тому +1

    Collectors will sell Psa/Dna overseas to a billionaire asian whale they are already building facilities over there. Sgc is the american replacement in the portfolio they can scale

  • @florenciohernandezjr.2556
    @florenciohernandezjr.2556 3 місяці тому +1

    Why has Beckett slipped? They were my favorite.

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +1

      (From Joe) - I think the biggest reasons for their drop in market share has been slower turnaround times than any of the other 3 leading companies as well as a lack of strong marketing about their brand, coupled with mistakes like announcing a new grading scale and then pulling it back as well as announcing a new grading service (Beckett Select) and then cancelling that over a short period of time. Completely ineffective leadership (at the corporate leadership level) with no vision for the future of the company. Our reps there are outstanding, but their leadership ( in 2023) was sorely lacking. I've heard changes are underway there; here's hoping they turn things remain before they are completely irrelevant to the grading industry.

    • @RuudKuntz
      @RuudKuntz 3 місяці тому +1

      They graded loads of fake Cristiano Ronaldo rookie stickers and took ages to grade cards during lockdown. PSA and SGC are much worse though

  • @iFOMO23
    @iFOMO23 3 місяці тому

    I think it will elevate the brand for sure but better crossgrade rates? 🙂‍↔️This isnt CGC

  • @angelou1
    @angelou1 3 місяці тому

    SGC second most respected is a joke to me. With most cards would you rather own the SGC 10 or Beckett pristine 10?

    • @zacharyswarts4200
      @zacharyswarts4200 3 місяці тому +2

      SGC also has a pristine grade lolol

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      Comparing 2 different grades. A standard sgc 10 ( and psa 10) are bgs 9.5 grades. Now sgc does also have a pristine 10 ( gold label). Bgs has 2 which really doesn't make much sense

    • @Duuuval23
      @Duuuval23 День тому

      SGC.

  • @Doors067
    @Doors067 3 місяці тому +2

    We have am expert om grading
    Him: Sgc is going to increase in value
    Geoff: it cements them as a walmart brand
    Bro why even have the Expert on 😂😅

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +1

      (From Joe) - Time will tell. I just believe that PSA did not buy SGC to water down their brand. I think they see them as a valuable addition to the "Collectors" Family. I don't think it's wise corporate strategy to spend ??? millions on a company and then do something to devalue the brand.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      ​@@gotbaseballcards-comexactly. I really don't understand people's logic with this

  • @davidmyre965
    @davidmyre965 3 місяці тому

    This should guarantee SGC 10 to PSA 10 crossovers, since they're both determined to be gem mint by the same company

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому +1

      It's not the same company though. Collectors bought sgc not psa

  • @klefusmcdonald2644
    @klefusmcdonald2644 3 місяці тому +2

    I hope sgc shrinks the case down to psa slab size, it is quite annoying to buy slab cases and the sgc slab doesn quite fit to the tee. Its a huge ask, might cost them a pretty penny, but a giant step for mankind.

  • @NashvegasSound
    @NashvegasSound 3 місяці тому +1

    Holy cow! The volume on Joe's mic blew my computer speakers out! Lets get the sound corrected guys. Good topic though

  • @old-schoolrookiecollector1667
    @old-schoolrookiecollector1667 3 місяці тому +2

    Sorry Joe I’d have to agree with Geoff.. and I’ve never said that before lol that’s how off you are

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому

      (From Joe) - Time will tell. Thanks for watching and for you input. I still believe SGC has many good years ahead of them.

  • @jeffblack4092
    @jeffblack4092 3 місяці тому +1

    I believe Fanatics will buy BGS

    • @Doors067
      @Doors067 3 місяці тому

      I think they will just make their own

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому

      (From Joe) - I actually spoke to a rep from BGS this week and he pointed out that he believed anyone wanting to buy BGS would have to take everything under the Beckett umbrella which is very large. I don't know that Fanatics wants a printing company or a distributor since they have their own distribution network, but I've been wrong before. Thanks for watching!

    • @RuudKuntz
      @RuudKuntz 3 місяці тому

      Wouldn't be surprised if BGS bought PSA

  • @buddydee740
    @buddydee740 3 місяці тому +2

    Will PSA allow SGC cards into their registry and population?

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +1

      (From Joe) - I think that's a great idea. I'd love to see that addition

  • @jacobfain6504
    @jacobfain6504 3 місяці тому

    In no world did Collectors buy SGC with the intent of propping up the SGC brand to compete with PSA even further. They bought SGC to nip any competition in the butt. They bought SGC to keep PSA King until further notice.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому +1

      The bought sgc so fanatics and ccg couldn't. Pretty simple. To make that buy a good one, they won't tank the company. That would be a financial nightmare

  • @DRTOLLZ
    @DRTOLLZ 3 місяці тому

    Wait until Fanatics buys CGC. They will want to compete with these guys for sure.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      Ccg wouldn't sell just cgc off. They'd have to try and buy the whole company which isn't happening

  • @markdesilva1893
    @markdesilva1893 3 місяці тому

    I fear people like myself may stop buying and submitting to SCG and it will eventually fade out of existence unless PSA can really market it as the true vintage grader.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      Psa won't have anything to do with that. I swear people really don't understand the role a parent company plays

    • @Duuuval23
      @Duuuval23 День тому

      The SGC brand is only getting bigger.

  • @jeffblack4092
    @jeffblack4092 3 місяці тому

    I hope SGC does not start charging a premium for cards over dollar amount

  • @josephsciascia217
    @josephsciascia217 3 місяці тому

    First

  • @marcusbrooks7861
    @marcusbrooks7861 3 місяці тому

    Collector's is breaking away from PSA. Eventual slip

    • @marcusbrooks7861
      @marcusbrooks7861 3 місяці тому +1

      SGC is the pre-eminent grading company because of three undeniable facts. 1) Babe Ruth 1914 Baltimore News 2) Honus Wagner T206 1909, 3) Mickey Mantle 1952 Topps

    • @chadholt1171
      @chadholt1171 3 місяці тому +1

      I agree. I think PSA will be a Fanatics company soon. Collectors Universe claims they purchased SGC to increase revenue before going public. Buying the less expensive company on the rise and selling the more expensive company seems like a good way to put cash in the bank.

  • @gemini1312
    @gemini1312 3 місяці тому

    Lack of competition in the marketplace is NEVER good for the market. The only potential positive would be able to cross SGC slabs to PSA

  • @rocketrayray55
    @rocketrayray55 2 місяці тому

    If you can't beat them, BUY them. It's the American way.

  • @Kybone
    @Kybone 3 місяці тому

    I'm going to bet there is no updated strategy

  • @Sandman60077
    @Sandman60077 3 місяці тому +2

    Really don't want to watch a 30 minute video on this. Can you just give me the key points?

    • @dwiii1635
      @dwiii1635 2 місяці тому

      2x speed, my friend.

    • @Duuuval23
      @Duuuval23 День тому

      Don’t watch. Just read the comments.

  • @rogerdavis9962
    @rogerdavis9962 2 місяці тому

    Psa is a gamble at best

  • @angelou1
    @angelou1 3 місяці тому

    You’re looking at a SGC 10 86 FLEER Jordan and a BGS 10 Pristine Jordan, which one do you want? CHECKMATE!!

    • @josephbiglarderi8696
      @josephbiglarderi8696 2 місяці тому

      Your comparison doesn’t make sense, Sgc 10 is gem mint. A bgs 9.5 is gem mint. I would take a Sgc 10 gold label hands down without question over anything bgs they are given much less.

    • @angelou1
      @angelou1 2 місяці тому

      @@josephbiglarderi8696 that’s the problem when I’m comparing gem mint cards the bgs 9.5 is not in the conversation because to me 10 signifies gem mint and so bgs can have a 7.5 and call it a gem mint but it will never compare to a 10 gem mint and l think all comps support that. I compare PSA 10 to bgs pristine 10 to sgc 10

    • @angelou1
      @angelou1 Місяць тому

      @@josephbiglarderi8696 bgs 9.5 may be know as gem mint but 10 signifies gem mint to me so when I’m looking for a gem mint card I’m looking for a card that has a 10 on it and that’s the problem with the bgs 9.5 in any scoring model 10>9.5 even if you call the 9.5 the almighty grail. In my opinion bgs should have just had the pristine and black label with their 9.5 being called something else that could out tank a PSA 9.

    • @angelou1
      @angelou1 Місяць тому

      @@josephbiglarderi8696 you might take the sgc but apples to apples it doesn’t compare in value and now that PSA/collectors own sgc the will devalue it and make it the stepchild like bccg is to bgs or the could even shut it down although l really doubt it.

  • @jmacsss
    @jmacsss 3 місяці тому

    Fanatics should not own a grading company. That's a conflict of interest. They could grade all of their produced cards (which is about to be much more) better than competition. That would not be good.

  • @martikus22
    @martikus22 3 місяці тому +1

    No matter what you say Mr.Jeff SGC 10 will go up in value. SGC already grade better than PSA.

  • @studiocollector1061
    @studiocollector1061 3 місяці тому

    Beckett has never listened and will never listen. I’ve said this 4 yrs ago… they will sit on their ego to their demise.

  • @beautifuldisaster434
    @beautifuldisaster434 3 місяці тому +2

    The industry is a sinking ship

    • @RuudKuntz
      @RuudKuntz 3 місяці тому

      Yep, had $3m's worth of cards two years ago. Now they're worth $400k

    • @jude999
      @jude999 2 місяці тому

      Vintage strong for 50 years.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      ​@@RuudKuntzI could of told you that 2 years ago😂.

  • @RingGeneralOG
    @RingGeneralOG 2 місяці тому

    Digital assets/cards will take over easy to carry and already authenticated without being up charged depending on the value of the card also digital allows you to know what’s actually out in the market an who owns it! The block chain doesn’t lie! Panini direct/NBA/NFL Topshot will be king!

  • @jude999
    @jude999 2 місяці тому

    SGC's bulky slabs and ugly labels still suck. They will go away. Marketing does nothing for the collector. Just give us a good looking slab and label and grading in the real world.

  • @KorvidRavenscraft
    @KorvidRavenscraft 3 місяці тому +10

    Constructive criticism about this show- make sure your audio levels are equal on both mics... as an autistic person, it's causing literal pain to my ears, it's so off-balanced

  • @user-qy6zp7wd4r
    @user-qy6zp7wd4r 2 місяці тому

    I want to know if they even have 5 subscribers to Beckett online price guide. It’s worthless and people actually pay monthly for this? Baffling

  • @maryjanebenjamin9179
    @maryjanebenjamin9179 Місяць тому

    ❣️ "Promo sm"

  • @controversialcardchannel
    @controversialcardchannel 3 місяці тому

    I'm still riding with BGS.
    New people in the hobby doesn't mean SMART people in the hobby. If you can't understand why a 9.5 is Gem Mint and a BGS 10 is Pristine, then that's on YOUR intellectual incapacity. A PSA 10 is not always a clear definite 10.

    • @chinering23
      @chinering23 3 місяці тому

      No they're not the range is too broad for their 10s and a 60/40 is too lenient.

    • @controversialcardchannel
      @controversialcardchannel 3 місяці тому

      @chinering23 What?? To get a BGS 10, you need at least 3 10 subgrades. To get a black label, you need 4 straight 10's. Is that too hard for the new people like yourself to understand?? Nothing "broad" about that at all. I'm sorry.
      A 9.5 is Gem Mint because PSA 's 10 definition of gem mint is suspect. ( 9.5 has at least 3 9.5' in total). But since you're trying to convince the rest of us smart guys, I'll let you reply to tell us how PSA comes up with thier gem mint definition of thier 10's. Break it down for us please.

    • @chinering23
      @chinering23 3 місяці тому

      @@controversialcardchannel Er yeah, you've clearly misread, I was agreeing with you. 60/40 is a PSA 10 centering.

    • @controversialcardchannel
      @controversialcardchannel 3 місяці тому

      @@chinering23 10-4. My bad

    • @chinering23
      @chinering23 3 місяці тому

      @@controversialcardchannel No problem. I'm in the UK so for me it's better to go locally, that's miles cheaper anyway. Where I have sent some sounds exactly the same as BGS but they have two 10 levels an alpha and bravo. So one of their 9s is potentially a PSA 10.

  • @anthonylong5870
    @anthonylong5870 3 місяці тому

    Im done with SGC and I cannot stand PSA , I was just about to send 15 cards off to SGC when this news broke. Im now waiting to see what happens with the other grading companies and card values. Hoping CSG will step up

  • @paulmouradjian6045
    @paulmouradjian6045 3 місяці тому

    Much to do about NOTHING! This happens all the time in THE businesse WORLD.
    Now .....The questions should be Why did Collectors need SCG's assets for their P/L ?

  • @one4658
    @one4658 28 днів тому

    Let the other person talk.

  • @tonysin77
    @tonysin77 3 місяці тому +1

    Agree with a Geoff here . I see SGC becoming like a BCCG for PSA. I think Joe is just hopeful in his insights as he probably has a lot invested in SGC. It would make no sense for collectors to elevate SGC.

    • @Doors067
      @Doors067 3 місяці тому +1

      Bccg, cmon man. Sgc has a great reputation and is doing things far better then PSA, once people start using sgc they don't stop

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +1

      (From Joe) - I actually only own about 200 SGC slabs in my PC. I don't think PSA will "elevate" SGC above their existing brand, but I do think they want them to remain a strong viable company as that impacts the bottom line for Collectors Holdings.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 Місяць тому

      Bccg failed miserably so why would collectors universe try that again?

  • @user-fiberoptics
    @user-fiberoptics 2 місяці тому

    PSA damage cards

  • @chrisduty6209
    @chrisduty6209 3 місяці тому

    Red rocket to the moon LMAO

  • @tonyvega4792
    @tonyvega4792 Місяць тому

    SGC is King of quality🔥

  • @markstein1916
    @markstein1916 17 днів тому +1

    Disagree strongly with Geoff’s take. SGC is the far better choice for vintage. More consistency of grades, quicker turnaround and far better customer service. We can only hope PSA doesn’t screw it up.

  • @TCGMiraculousJones
    @TCGMiraculousJones 2 місяці тому

    F PSA. I’ll stick with SGC. Sgc slabs look better then psa anyways and I can afford to grade with sgc. I’m not one of you dang rich people

  • @dknb4558
    @dknb4558 3 місяці тому

    How is this Monopoly a Positive for us the collectors? You really think this is going to uplift PSA standards---really? That is an ignorant take. Monopolies Never help the consumer. Where did you find this clown?

    • @beautifuldisaster434
      @beautifuldisaster434 3 місяці тому

      Junk wax 2.0

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому

      (From Joe) - Thanks for watching and for your input. My opinion is based upon the fact that there can be great synergy when 2 great companies (both led by individuals who understand the heart of collectors) learn to take the best from each other to improve both brands. I've seen what happens when outside entities (that have no clue about what matters to collectors) buy a grading company (can you say BGS). I'm very happy that something like this did not happen to SGC. My opinion is based upon my experience of leading a global sports card company for 33 years and working hand in hand with PSA & SGC for 26 years and BGS for 23 years.
      He "found" me in Loganville GA where our retail store is located :)

  • @reomcse
    @reomcse 3 місяці тому

    This is nothing but bad for collectors…. Less competition breeds higher prices.. less options for collectors to get their cards Graded.
    I’m really tired of Graded cards anyway. It’s subjective, their not consistent, and the graduated price schedule Is crap….
    I’ll just keep my raw card Collection. I predict more and more people will forego getting cards Graded. The card market is BS anyway. It’s a fake created value. Just like Bitcoin.

  • @wyattroberts3559
    @wyattroberts3559 2 місяці тому

    I despise PSA they are crooks

  • @justanotherprouddad1391
    @justanotherprouddad1391 3 місяці тому +3

    i will never submit with SGC ever again.

    • @SGCcollector
      @SGCcollector 3 місяці тому +4

      Your loss…

    • @RuudKuntz
      @RuudKuntz 3 місяці тому

      Submit to SCC in Italy instead

  • @boduke2299
    @boduke2299 2 місяці тому

    Quit using the word "opertunity " it sounds like a stupid politician word the correct word is chance.

  • @Kevin_40
    @Kevin_40 2 місяці тому

    grading and cards are dead once again.

  • @floridamaddogg
    @floridamaddogg 3 місяці тому +2

    There is no way SGC survives this. I don't agree with Jeff regarding his thoughts on SGC. Obviously he doesn't want anyone to dethrone PSA because that would hurt him. I can easily see PSA viewed SGC as a premium brand. But no matter my opinion or Jeff's, bottom line SGC will be gone within two years. I'm either going to cross over my SGC slabs to PSA or wait until PSA offers a $5 cross over service to all existing SGC slabs to PSA. PSA should honor grade for grade and when it comes to SGC 9.5, have PSA look it over and decide either 9 or 10. I am no longer grading with SGC because of this which is sad because i liked SGC. I have graded equally with both up to this point.
    Edit: i automatically autocorrected the spelling of Geoff's name. Also, SGC is more consistent and even though a PSA 9 modern card will sell more than a SGC 9, an SGC 9 will easily cross over to PSA 9. SGC is tougher overall. The biggest difference is PSA is more lenient with off centering and SGC is more lenient with surface finish. I would rather have a more strict off centering standard than surface because off centering hurts the visual appeal of the card more.
    I would support Fanatics buying CGC over Beckett anyday. Obviously Geoff wants Beckett to benefit himself, but CGC actually has amazing grading standards, best looking slabs in the business and a company i would gladly send cards to for grading.

    • @buffalobill9793
      @buffalobill9793 3 місяці тому +2

      PSA has the most lenient grading standards in the business bar none not just Sgc.

    • @gotbaseballcards-com
      @gotbaseballcards-com 3 місяці тому +2

      (From Joe) - Thanks for watching. We have a different opinion as SGC is such a legacy brand, I don't think Collectors will kill off the brand, I think they find ways to utilize the brand, grow it in worldwide stature, and make them even more profitable through streamlining processes, etc.

    • @floridamaddogg
      @floridamaddogg 3 місяці тому

      ​@@gotbaseballcards-comthanks for the reply Joe! I heard you talking about that both on here with Geoff and on your own channel. I so hope you're right as I have used SGC alot on my PC, but something in the back of my head keeps pulling me in the other direction.

    • @dwiii1635
      @dwiii1635 2 місяці тому

      Then why not utilize SGC's superior graders, prices and turnaround if you're so sure you can crossover SGC to PSA slabs for something like $5 in the future?

  • @user-uc6kf3zt5n
    @user-uc6kf3zt5n 3 місяці тому

    SHOW ME AN SGC GRADED CARD AGAINST A BGS OR PSA AND YOULL SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THIS SOUNDS... PSA, BGS ARE THE ONLY 2 RESPECTABLE GRADING COMPANIES IMO AT THIS POINT

    • @dwiii1635
      @dwiii1635 2 місяці тому

      Then why does BGS have a sliver of market share? PSA and SGC dominate the entire grading market.

    • @user-uc6kf3zt5n
      @user-uc6kf3zt5n 2 місяці тому

      @dwiii1635 when you go to biy cards would you prefer a bgs 9.5 or sgc? N I bet you 90% if not more would want the bgs slab... ya sgc might have more grading but go watch whatnot and auctions on cards... you'll see that nobody wants sgc slabs period.. maybe in the future they'll gain more respect but people who are grading with sgc are also buying wildcard and leaf products...just not tough enough grades to make people feel comfortable with their grading... but ya just my opinion from EVERY time I've seen an sgc slab ran against psa or bgs...

    • @dwiii1635
      @dwiii1635 2 місяці тому

      @user-uc6kf3zt5n When it comes to market share, BGS is too damn slow and expensive. SGC prices and turnaround time helped tremendously in inching closer to PSA enough to cause Collectors to buy them out. I prefer TAG slabs if we're going by looks. And, I prefer TAG's transparency and reports provided. But that's just me. I know others are obsessed with PSA's slabs just because they assign an imaginary extra ha l value to them.

  • @michaelli9857
    @michaelli9857 3 місяці тому +2

    PSA didnt buy SGC - you dont need the clickbait on your titles Geoff...

    • @jcbuckeye
      @jcbuckeye 3 місяці тому

      Basically.. it's as if the same company that owns KFC and taco bell and pizza hut buys Arby's or some other franchise. All them are under the same umbrella of ownership

  • @user-uc6kf3zt5n
    @user-uc6kf3zt5n 3 місяці тому

    There is NO WAY PEOPLE RESPECT SGC OVER BECKETT WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS CARD GRADING... YOU MIGHT AS WELL SELL IT RAW IF YOU GONNA GO SGC... ABSOLUTELY NOBODY I KNOW WANTS SGC.... IMO

  • @brianogrodnick1382
    @brianogrodnick1382 3 місяці тому

    Dgc I'd way better then psa a psa 10 are not 10 put them under s glass and u will c flaws

  • @brianogrodnick1382
    @brianogrodnick1382 3 місяці тому

    Let the expert talk u are not or ever will be