What I Don't Like About How Busuu Teaches You Japanese
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What is the best app?
I've been using Busuu for almost 2 months now (so ironically, close to when Shogo filmed this) and so far it's been much more useful to me than Duolingo with the way they structure exercises and recaps of previous lessons. Of course the machine speak isn't too useful but that's what listening to a lot of real japanese is for.
@@aranso That's reassuring. You can control the speed of the clips, so I'll try that out.
Did you Busuu as a supplement to another form of instruction...or just the app by itself?
@@feral_shade I'm using only the app for now, to build a base of knowledge before I go deeper into more comprehensive studies.
So I tried tooking at the speed setting and for some reason the menu drop down past the border of the video and I can't see it 🙃. I've only been about to slow it down more by just pressing buttons.
What's holding me back is that… it seems paid.
I moved to Busuu from Duolingo and couldn't be happier. I've made more progress in 6 months on there than 12 months on Duolingo. You haven't seen the best of it to be honest - The first few chapters seem to be super beginner friendly. I understand why you say we should learn the alphabets from the start, but having the first few lessons build our confidence makes the whole thing much less daunting, which makes it more likely that we'll continue the lessons. It might not be straight away, but pretty soon you get into hiragana/katakana only, including typing in them rather than just reading and selecting. Honestly I found that the best way.
The best part for me though, is the community. Having native speakers correct your exercises and being able to comment on theirs let's everyone learn more "real life" and natural sounding language.
You said everything I wanted to say 🫂
Duolingo's Japanese course is becoming increasingly bad as time goes. Their last update was a disaster which is why I am here looking for an alternative. Quite a shame, really, as that app had a lot of potential.
What's your current level in Japanese?
Yeah that is what makes it way better than duolingo to me
I definitely agree with you, and I review the hiragana lessons to maintain my streak.
I used the busuu app a few years ago to brush up on the little Japanese I know. Some of the premium lessons include stories with actual Japanese people voicing them! There were also prompts to write a few sentences to a paragraph in Japanese and a native Japanese Busuu member would be promoted to review it and give feedback. There were speaking exercises too which I found the most helpful. In my personal experience, the premium membership wasn't worth the price tag. Also, the beginning part where Busuu has you select why you want to learn Japanese doesn't seem to have any bearing on the lessons you're given. You can switch it at any time and the lesson order never changes. I think that's another disappointing aspect - why give the illusion that lesson plans are somewhat customizable if it's not true? Maybe that's changed though.
The Premium update was worth it for $40 during Christmas time. Full price, maybe not.
@@Chibi1986 oh that's definitely a great price for it. The $80 when I got it definitely felt on the pricier side.
@@cai_in_the_sky2222 It goes on sale every month from what I've seen, so those sale prices are worth waiting for.
I agree with your sentiment that our reason behind learning matters.
It seems this option was only presented as a fun personalized way to collect this piece of data from their users.
That being said, it should definitely tie in with what kind of lessons we receive.
For instance the "for fun and culture" option should start you off with very casual and fun conversation, then move on to food and hobbies.
The "for education" option should be organized and formatted more akin to how most schools teach the language, so most students can use it to assist them with their classes.
While the "for work" options should emphasize professionalism and work situations.
I hope you start teaching Japanese, should I (and my Japanese enthused daughter) ever need to travel to Japan it would be nice to have you as a teacher.
I really liked the way your language video that you posted over the weekend approached it. Hearing the language audibly and visually connecting it to the word in your own language is the best way to learn it, immersing yourself is what I call it. I learn better with the visual clues and it just clicks faster for me that way because you’re actively practicing it. Great videos!
I love the slight surprise in his voice when he answers the questions right, even though Japanese is his first language 😂
Very usefull topic. Wish to growing up for this channel. ありがとうございます。
thanks for the busuu review, shogo!
I do like these videos. Very informative 👏
Thank you Shogo for an informative video
Enjoyed your pleasure at being right here 12:08 😂
I would like more stuff that tests particles. It’s a complicated concept to get your head round at first.
I would love to see you review Memrise, which incorporates real clips of native speakers in a lot of parts!
11:27 I was wondering this for the longest time! Thank you so much!
I've been studying kanji and vocabulary using Wanikani, though it's worth noting that it doesn't teach grammar points or full sentences - but it's been really helpful for remembering kanji for me. I'm curious as to your take on the accuracy of the pronunciations available in Wanikani, if you get a chance to check it out 😊
Wanikani Is very great if you have no budget for learning Japanese. Otherwise I'd recommend getting a physical kanji workbook
I love your videos, Shogo 😊
These videos are my favorite.
about the robot voice I think when you're starting they have to use the "babality" voice because you're supposed to be a beginner. I started to use this app myself and I found the voice pretty funny since when I hear japanese people talk they speak a lot faster but the babality voice is okay for a beginner.
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Try lingodeer! It helped me alot with grammar and learning the kana and also basic vocabulary
It's great that you're taking classes to become an instructor! I hope everything goes well! Learning Japanese from a professional would be an amazing opportunity, especially for me since I'd love to actually live in Japan.
When I was learning Japanese (college level - class credits optional), we started out with Romanji - the letters were familiar, and various books and articles about thing Japanese use Romanji to represent Japanese words - this facilitated reading, writing & speaking. In parallel, we also began learning Hiragana and Katakana to prepare for the next term. In that 2nd term, we switched to a textbook that had Kana rather than Romanji which was a relatively smooth transition. In parallel with this, we also began to learn elementary Kanji and the use of Furigana. And long with these developments, we learned some of the 'kata' of the Japanese conversational style in various social situations. I appreciated this step-by-step methodology.
As an aside, outside of class, with the help of my Naginata Sensei, I created 2-sided Meishi with English on one side and Nihongo on the other - I created several for the different Budo I was studying at the time. This turned out to be very helpful when meeting new Sensei from Japan - it always made a great impression, especially when presenting it in the normal ritualized manner.
Taking in person Japanese classes is definitely the way to go! I enjoy taking classes with my two friends.
On the Busuu app, on the top left of the screen, there is a button that switches the romaji to kana. Love your channel!
@7:07 I personally use a program called *_Memrise_* to practice my Japanese, and unironically I was taught to say 「よろしくおねがいします」as well as having two pronunciations done for you, video examples, and even short skits (in a separate section) to almost immerse yourself in some of the words you may have learned ー So perhaps it may be to your liking...? (╹ ╹ )❓
I will say it might be a *_little_* less flashy than this or Duolingo, and it is made primarily for mobile so the PC version may also not have access to certain learning features as of yet. (^ ^;)ゞ
I've been working on the duolingo, and enjoying it quite a bit. I like to think that I am getting it but if I understand correctly they are teaching a very familiar form. still it is a base on which to build
For myself, I see it as the best application for learning.
I'm starting to learn a little Japanese:D but I don't know much! I hope you become an official Japanese instructor!!! I'm planning on maybe traveling to Japan soon sometime but I don't know if I will!!
I've seen others emphasize not to learn Japanese through romaji. For the "pre-beginner" Japanese lessons, you will see romaji alongside hiragana. But it's advised to learn hiragana as soon as possible. But I do see people actually typing sentences entirely in romaji later on, which is massively slowing down their learning.
Also I noticed that apps like Duolingo continue to use massive sentences almost entirely in hiragana. I like your point about having spaces in sentences at this point. A major feature of kanji is to see the word boundaries when sentences don't have spaces.
Another major problem I've discovered with these apps is that they introduce Japanese grammar with absolutely no explanation of the sentence structure, particles, pronunciation changes, etc. I ended up with so many unanswered questions.
I like that native speakers like yourself immediately can say "this is not really how we speak" eg どうぞ よろしく.
Agreed!
I would love to see a review of Memrise!
I’d love to see you react to “Drops”. That’s the one I use😊
I like pimsleur a lot
It has 30 minute audio lessons for you to take daily ( your supposed to do 1 daily.) It does just feel like a recorded class in a lot of ways. It comes with flash cards after the lesson, as well as other study tools.
Its biggest drawback to me is the price its quite expensive, $20 a month I think, but its worth it for me.
The other possible downside for people is that its a 30 minute intensive session that might be quite daunting for a lot of people.
Hey Shogo will you be reacting to Ryu Ga Gotoku Ishin? Now that's it re-released?
I'm using Kanshudo to reignite my study of Japanese. This site is less focused on audio, but helps with Kanji and grammar. At some point, I might actually take lessons with Shogo though.
Hi shogo-san, i just finished the season 5 of Aggretsuko, is a animated japanese series and this season touched many politicals and social subjects on japan present situation, it made me think in other videos you have made and wanted to know if you were interested on watching it and commenting on it. I just would appreciate and enjoy to watch your opinion and perspective. Hope you and your loved ones are doing great, greetings from Dominican Republic.
Loving your videos! If you could please review Memrise. I have been using duolingo, Busuu, and Memrise for a few months now and I see the differences in them but i would like to just pay for one. It seems like Memrise is best but i have tried that one the least out of the three as I discovered it last. It could be a case of just like the newer thing better, but I would really value your opinion. Thanks a lot
Please check out and review Wanikani - it's a great way to learn katagana so that you actually remember the meanings
i really like renshuu as a beginner app. It starts out with hiragana and katakana learning (that i mostly skipped because i already knew those) and then it's exclusively in hiragana/katakana and also some kanji with furigana so even if you don't know kanji yet you already get used to seeing them and recognising some, which i like.
it also includes a dictionary and a kanji dictionary telling you stroke orders for everything and example sentences, and it has grammar lessons which especially duolingo often sorely lacks.
I finished this video and could've answered all the A1 questions which highkey makes me doubt its validity.
I am a little envious. Your ability to code switch between English and Japanese is amazing. I have a passion for languages (and how much a culture shapes), but lack any ability to retain what I've learned. How does one learn to speak a language?
P.S. We do leave comments on both this and lets ask Seki Sensei. But dont think we have ever had a reply. 🤔 But no worries you must be extremely busy and you looked really tired in the teaching Japanese live stream (which we didn't see live sorry) If you over do it and don't get rest you can't help anyone. And remember you do do so much for us by bringing these channels to us. So thank you from all of us out here. Take care. Stay safe 🙏
John and Kate.
I loved this review, I want to learn Japanese but first I have to learn Finnish before other languages.
oooh major throwback!! i started japanese lessons on busuu almost two years ago, aaa mariko san! yes! haha xD
Hey shogo! I've been using busuu to learn Japanese and there are a few lessons that have native speakers for the audio parts. I think the website is slowly updating this part.
I'm using it currently and can definitely tell a difference between my experience and theirs
You should review Kawaii Nihongo.
I need that kimono
I am using Busuu for Dutch and BR Portuguese. I like it so far but haven't tried Japanese yet.
Same here for Dutch on Busuu!
What books/mangas do you recommend for people trying to train their japanese Reading? And what about movies ? I recently have watched some 80s and 90s movies.
I wonder if you chose "work" as the reason for studying, if the language would be more formal to match how you should interact with meeting a new person?
I started using Busuu for Japanese recently. There are sections on Hiragana and Katakana before the lessons you were looking at, so students can become familiar with both systems before embarking on the A1 level. Excellent review. Thank you! :)
Hey quel niveau as tu réussi à atteindre en 3 mois grâce à Busuu
@@UniversdOsiris I didn't spend that long on it. I learned Hiragana and Katakana and a few basic phrases. But I gave up to concentrate on Italian. :)
@@enigmatist666 and for italian ?
the blue square at the bottom of the page says "You have finished module one. Would you like get your official congratulations certificate for level one?
Do you want to move on and do module two? "
ohh very interesting
😂😂😂that’s funny! Coz I just downloaded the BUSUU app to learn Japanese 😂!! However, I have found travel companies that allow you to study Japanese in Japan (Kyoto and Tokyo). So, I think that’s a better option😊
I've been using busuu for a while now and (but I'm just lazy so I don't do it) there's some exercise where you're either typing and/or recording your voice an ask some people to correct it so it also works your prononciation so I find it very cool
I like how I got an ad for this ap when I clicked the video
Requesting shogo to review one point english lesson 😊
I'd like to see you do the Renshuu app. Apparently ad free for a free app.
Could you review the Fluyo app when the Japanese component goes live?
Learning I kana and using the kana keyboard, from day, one is a must. Even if you spend a few hours having to constantly refer to a cheat sheet, that will actually teach you everything very quickly. An interesting point to me was that the Japanese is actually easier to read than my own native English. I think it’s because the particles help me keep track of each part of a sentence in an even more effective way than the German case system did. I am almost blind (the least qualified people in America get paid outrageous salaries to educate the disabled so not really teaching you any skills is job security), and everything I learned about English, I actually learned through learning foreign languages, so I don’t have the same hardcoded template others do. This taught me to approach every language on its own terms and focus on effective communication rather than grammatical perfection. Once you can communicate, any idea you want comfortably, it is easy to begin learning grammatical structures, because they allow you to communicate more clearly, but that’s only after you can communicate any idea you wish in a rudimentary fashion.
Have you looked at Primsleur? If you did what was your reaction?
Would you review Pimsleur?
Dang, am digging the new intro
13:00 I'd say for 面白い a better english translation would be "amusing".
Amusing can mean either funny *or* interesting, so it fits better.
10,788 yen according to the currency converter that I checked online March 22, 2023 is about $82.000.
Sho will you do a reaction video to like a dragon ishin video game or will you play it?
It's a samurai game take place in Kyoto and have oiran in it.
I've been seeing ad's for one called nativ shark, could you see if this one is accurate and will teach someone correctly?
Definitely look at Mango Languages. I remember little about their course
Babbel is a interesting place teaching different launguages
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I have a question, it may not get seen or answered but that's okay! I was wondering why names were changed with time with certain cities and places becoming prefectures? Hopefully this isn't a long drawn out answer.
Example Heian-kyō is now Kyoto
Can you check Glossika next?
The best part about Busuu is the community. Some of the lessons include a practice exercise where you have to write (or speak if you want), and japanese people can correct you. My tip is to just send a friend request to every japanese person you see and when you finish an exercise, Busuu asks you to select 5 of them who will correct you. Some people give a lot of details in their correction, so you should identify those who you think are the best teachers. Along with the lessons, you have weekly exercises where you have to answer a question in japanese or describe an image
Also, the higher your level is, the better the app gets. I am at B1 level, there are a lot of kanji and the lessons include actual japanese people speaking (not every time though)
Would you be able to do LingoDeer?
I feel like よろしく is the most difficult thing in these lessons. My understanding is that it has a lot of meanings depending on context but most computer lessons will only give you "nice to meet you" as a translation.
there's someone who once described it as "thanking you in advance for your future kindness" as an approximation. that works as "nice to meet you" but also when you say it to i.e. a colleague before starting a project or a customer you're working with.
Hallo, guten Tag
Ah, Deutsch unter einem englischsprachigen Video über einen Weg Japanisch zu lernen. Jetzt brauchen wir noch Russisch und Französisch.
@@Donnerwamp Ja
How do I pre-enlist for your class? 👀
Can you try NativShark please?
Yes, I'm very curious about it as well because it's a dedicated Japanese learning course.
What app would you recommend for learning Japanese?
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Shogo, do you know what it is called when a katana only has the wooden sheath and no guard?
Having a real class or tutor is quite expensive, so i definitely like these low effort entries into a languages.
I wonder how effective Busuu is over time?
I haven't tried this one yet, but I remember Duolingo started out fun and then just got worse and worse after the first chapter
From the date of this comment being posted, here are my thoughts on having used Busuu for about 22 consecutive days for an average for 15-30min each day with absolutely no Japanese knowledge…
Disclaimer: I am not paid by Busuu, nor do I pay for their app. The ads they run are really short, which I like.*
1) By the end of Chapter 5, I can read any sentence/word/or sign written in Hiragana. Not only do you learn all the characters, you learn all special characters and rules (i.e., blended sounds, long consonant/vowel sounds, etc.) I am amazed at how easy basic Japanese writing is compared to English which has MANY rules and exceptions.
2) Contrary to Shogo, I like that they don’t break up the sentences written in Hiragana. As a newbie, this causes me to pay attention more and slow down when I am reading. BUT I can read it! 😅
3) By the end of chapter 5, you figure out how to type Hiragana characters on your phone.
4) I agree with Shogo, the audio pacing/pronunciation is slow. However, I think they do this intentionally for us newbies. They don’t use the word specifically, but from the first few lessons they do emphasize “mora”, as in the pacing of pronunciation. I found this to be super helpful and did not know that about Japanese.
5) Learning to speak the language by using the app requires a lot of self-generation. There aren’t really any prompts that say something to the effect of “repeat after me”. But, like a child, I still repeat out loud to myself everything they say.
Concluding thoughts, I have enjoyed the app for the grammar and reading purposes. I would like to venture into something that requires me to speak more though.
Happy learning!! (My apologies for any typos)
Just got to chapter 7. Katakana is daunting @_@ I thoroughly enjoyed learning the hiragana keyboard to fill in my answers. I feel actual progress. it's empowering.
I just started on Busuu for Japanese probably a year after this video and am encountering more human voices, which is nice because that was one of my gripes with Duolingo. So maybe they're slowly making improvements. And the way they start teaching Hiragana mid-chapter 2, is actually one of the best ways I've seen done so far (and I'd already been doing it a bit elsewhere up to that point). Of course I never fully trust in any one of these apps or websites to have all real world word usage right all the time so thus why I'm on here seeing what actual speakers have to say.
12:08 mf has a shelf with katanas behind him and he's surprised he got it 💀💀
as someone who is farther in busuu, it’s literally the exact same thing ;-;
Could you look a lingodeer and is there an app that teaches us how to speak in daily used Japanese?
What do you think about Rosetta Stone ?
You can remove romaji and leave only Hiragana in Busuu settings.
Most Japanese learning apps have this setting.
I think the reason why the question about family members didn't clearly explain what it wanted is because the questions in the tests are taken from the lessons, so it probably would have been asked after the lesson explained it.
I think the slow machine way they speak is fine. I imagine it being like teaching a baby to speak or understand the words being spoken. We slow it down and exaggerate it for them to process. If they were speaking faster, it would be hard to pick up exactly what's being said. Just my opinion :) I made it to chapter 7 finally. In all honesty, this app is incredible. I learned the hiragana and it felt AMAZING to be able to read a passage and answer questions about the passage.
Katakana is going to be a hard task, but I'm sticking with it :D
Hi :) do you know the Mondly App? Can you Review it..i ve you want. Im about to learn Japanese and a bit confused wich App i should use. Thy ;)
What about the app mochimochi?
Try LingoDeer
Hi Mr Shogo, i know you take these comments every goddamn day. But if i didn't say thank you, i'd be ashamed. thank you for sharing Japanese culture, facts, warrior culture, tricks, interesting comparisons, and of course the katana warrior sword. Ieven recently ordered my first katana) and don't worry master, I'll be careful :) ありがとう
It’s interesting because Busus other language have native speaker speaking the audios but they were apparently not able to to that with every language they teach
How/where should I learn Japanese?
I have heard that japanese particles are one of the hardest things in japanese for english speakers. And english prepositions are one of the hardest things for japanese speakers. Its interesting to compare.
What's the best martial art we could learn in Japan?
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9:52 is four smirking faces, two of them with only one eye. Change my mind.
Goddamn I HAVE FOUND THE ALBERT EINSTEIN