Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. As I said it may not work every time. All you can do is follow as many of the steps as possible and hopefully it will be fine. Maybe an idea to start with a smaller number of shrimp or even some cheaper ones like fresh water shrimp to see how they get on before fully committing. Good luck with it.
@@the_druid0066 haha, not sure about that but I know what you mean. I've had some Gourami that butter wouldn't melt and I've had some that are homicidal maniacs.
I have my cherry shrimp in a planted tank full of mossy driftwood and some whip tail catfish and L397 plecos and all seem to be doing just fine. The L397s are panaque wood eaters and don’t bother the shrimp at all, despite being able to swallow them whole. The whiptails are super peaceful too. It does work.
Neon Tetra Aquarist thank you very much. I subscribed to your channel because I watched a few of your videos and I really enjoyed them. Think they are well made and they are very interesting. Will look forward to your next one.
One thing that I have found success with for adding cherry shrimp to a community tank is first add ghost shrimp which are much cheaper. Once those are established in the community tank and your fish get used to them you can then start adding the more expensive cherry shrimp varieties
I’m so thankful you posted this video, because I’ve been researching and scanning the web to see if I could keep a more varied community tank, I am upgrading to a 20 gallon and am new to the community tank world. I currently have a few shrimp with neons and guppies, and they don’t hassle the shrimp at all. Even by the smallest shrimp. But my fish dream is to have a dwarf gourami and add more shrimp. But I was discouraged to read online you couldn’t. So I might give it a try and see how they fair. Also I found your voice quite relaxing. Much appreciated!
Ah, thank you very much. Gourami like any fish have their own personality but they can also be similar to their Beta cousins. Some are totally chill and others are very hostile. It really is luck of the draw with them. I would make sure you have a good healthy population of shrimp before adding one. Follow as many steps in the video as you can and spend as much time as you can observing the Gourami in the tank as you can before choosing one. Try to go for one that isn't displaying any hostility or aggression and hopefully it will work out. It's good to have a back up plan for if it doesn't such as being able to return it to the store or moving it to another tank if necessary. I hope it goes as well for you as it has for me. They really are beautiful fish and it does make for a wonderful tank if you are able to keep shrimp with them too. Good luck!
This is the video I've been waiting for!!! Thank you for making this. Great advice! I'm planning my new tank as I'm waiting for it to cycle, and my dream stocking is RCS, 3 Pygmy Corys, 12 cardinal tetra and a Gwarf Gourami. Thanks to your video I'll be establishing my shrimp before adding tank mates. Fingers crossed it turns out as successful as yours.
Oh I hope so Jonny. I don't see you having any problems with the Cories or the Tetra. Gourami are a bit like their Betta cohsins in that they can be a bit hit and miss with shrimp but if you follow the steps in the video like you say you will greatly improve the chances of it being fine. It's not the only time I've done it; I also have a tank with Mollys, a Gold Gourami and RCS and that's fine too. I also have other community tanks where it is going fine including one with Neon Tetra, Five Banded Barb, Bristlenose and Apistogramma and again the shrimp are doing fine. So best of luck with making your dream tank and I'm glad this video helped if so.
Thank you very much. To be honest I never set out to be much of a shrimp Keeper but after the Red Cherries and the Amanos fascinated me there came the Wood Shrimp. Then the Blue Velvets, then the Yellow Sakura and I may have to admit now I may be a little hooked. So I wouldn't be surprised if Cars make an appearance at some point. 👍
I got a well planted 230ltr. It's only been running a couple of days. No fish yet. I was thinking of getting Shrimp. But every vid i've seen so far has put me off having them in a Community tank.You have just convinced me it can be done. Your logic seems sound to me. I will try some other fish besides the ones you mentioned. I have other tanks they can go in if it don't work out lol. Wicked video. Nice one.
Ah that's great Graham. Obviously I'm not saying it works out every time or with every fish of course but if we follow as many of the principles in the video as possible it certainly can be done. I have kept shrimp in several other aquariums with fish since this video. Hope it works out for you and you get the result you want.
Mate, loving your content! Got love for my USA breddas, but its proper nice to have a down to earth british geezer dishing out some sound advise, keep it up boss 👍👍👍
Thanks very much man. Aye there's a few of us dotted about but we are a bit thin on the ground right enough. Thanks for the message. Dead encouraging to get feedback like that.
I use to to keep tropical fish and i do miss the hobby. But nowadays i spend to much time travelling abroad. Bristlenose and panda corys were my favorites.
That's a shame you need to travel so much. You'll need to jump onto UA-cam and into fish stores on your travels to get your fix until you don't need to travel so much. Good excuse to visit lots of public aquariums too!
Ooo this is what i like to see. I was considering getting a dwarf gourami since my country does not have honeys available. Looks like your shrimp population still thrives despite havjng gourami around. Good to know!
Oh wow. Thank you. That is very kind to say. Honestly it's all easy plants, patience and a few screw ups. Anyone can achieve this. I think a wee bit of clay based substrate, just a bit under the soil really helped the root plants. Thanks again for the lovely comment.
Beautiful tank! Just found this video. I have maybe 3 shrimp in a ten with threadfin rainbows. One shrimp molted, I think. I found what I thought was a dead body, but now know, maybe not. Really like the way you answered your comments; and the info. was thoughtful. Hope you are still at it. wife of JP
Jerome Perner (wife of) haha, I've been there. The panic I got when I found my first Wood shrimp moult! Thank you ever so much for the kind comments. It's very much appreciated. Yes I'm still at it and enjoying it all the time.
Great video ! Ive kept shrimp for a number of years now, in shrimp only tank and community tank. The main rule of thumb is if a shrimp can fit into a mouth of a fish they will eat it. Example Guppies and not a good tank mate but a cory is perfect. The fact you have so much cover for the shrimp also is a big facter as the small shrimp will be in there for most of their baby life ! Again great video.
John Stone thank you very much for the feedback. Aye there is the mouth size rule but there are exceptions. Gouramis, Angel Fish and Betta don't necessarily have large mouths but are all aggressive enough to take out shrimp. However you can see these have been fine with these Gourami. They rarely even paid them any attention but I realise that won't be the case with every Gourami. I've also kept them with Endlers (sucesful), Guppies (successful), male Betta (twice successful, once not) and in a Betta sorority. The girls did seem to go to town on the shrimp but last night I saw a few moving about with confidence after I thought they had all perished. I will keep the Betta well fed and see how it goes. I've also managed to keep them with Pea Puffers (As well as Amano shrimp). The adults were all fine but I didn't see many shrimplets. Of the cherries I mean there wouldn't have been any baby Amano shrimp of course. Thanks again for the comments and adding your perspective. It's so good to here about other people's experiences with this.
Awesome. I just placed blue shrimp in my community guppy tank that consists of Sterbai cories and a few plecos. Unfortunately my shrimp are gone. You are super lucky and a beautiful tank.
Ahh... sorry about that Robin. I've managed to keep them with all of those fish without noticeable casualties. Some folk report great success with this, some quite the opposite. Think there are lots of factors to making it successful not the least of which being the personalities of the individual fish. All we can do is follow as many points in the video as possible and let nature decide.
I adore listenning him talk too haha. I'm reading the comments while playing (and repeating) the video just for the audio 😆 Go on with the audio books idea haha
hi thanks Daniel i found yr video interesting im keeping cherrys and dwaft corys ive just started there is a betta which has no interest in them at all an happly live together i feed my betta twice daily but i do 1 fasting day i do water change once a week and all is great i like yr vids keep them coming thx
@debbieanne316 thank you for the kind words. When it comes to Betta with shrimp I've found it's a bit of a gamble I'mafraid. I have kept them together many times over the years and I'd say it's about 70/30. Most of the time it had been fine but sometimes they go to town on the shrimp either immediately or in due course. I find males do better with shrimp than females but it is largely down to the personality of the individual fish. I realise that's perhaps not the answer you may have been hoping for but I hope it's some help.
@@mostbrutalvideos4612 yeah I've had then in the past. Like good current and high oxygen. Great wee fish. Always active too. I will need to give them another go one of these days you're right.
Well I jumped into the Red Cherry Shrimp "business"! Your video gave me the final push to give it a go. I got 5 Fire Reds. Very nice dark red shrimplets. I only see one out and about exploring and foraging. Four are always hiding out in the Mopani wood cave. Nice and dark in there. The fish don't pay them any mind at all. Also saw my 2nd Ghost Shrimp baby today. Very, very tiny. Maybe 3mm. Yeah still little. Anyway, thanks and happy shrimping!
Ah that's great man. You'll probably see them out and about a wee bit more once they settle in a feel more comfortable. Glad you're happy so far anyway and congratulations on the baby ghost shrimp.
Good video, cool tank. My 2 gallon nano just finished cycling, loads of microscopic life and biofilm built up, and I’m going to add shrimp next week. My plan is to get them to breed once before adding a honey gourami, and lo an behold, here’s your tank with a bigger gourami than I’m planning to get and the shrimp are still thriving. I’m thinking a predator will be good for the system, help keep the worm population in check, take out any hydra etc if they pop up.
Thanks very much Nick. Sounds like a plan. Don't get me wrong it won't be successful every single time but by following as many steps in the video as possible we can definitely improve our chances. Hope it goes great for you bud and you end up with a thriving Gorami/shrimp tank combo. 👍
Bosco Hemi thank you. I try to be clear to say it may not work with every aquarium set up and in every set of circumstances but as you can tell from this video it went well here. I also have other tanks where cherry (and Amano) shrimp have been fine with different fish. Good luck, hope it goes well and you end up with the aquarium you are planning.
Wow. Amazing tank! I'm just getting into keeping fish and this is the most inspiring thing I've seen. Probably too advanced for us but i love how much depth there is. Also agree with others that you have a voice for radio
Nooooo quite the opposite. Not too advanced for anyone. It's low tech; no CO2, stock lights (almost; I left one white and changed one out for pink to bring out the reds and greens) that came with the tank, easy plants and basic substrate you can get from any store. I used thin layer of a clay based substrate (Pets at Home) under the gravel to help the root plants and gave it time is all. I think it was eight months in when I took this video. The plants are basically Dwarf Sag (grassy one in the foreground), Java Moss, Java Fern and Crypts; all easy. There is also Red Tiger Lotus and Crinum Calamistratum. They may be a step up but not a huge leap. It's just knowing how to plant them right then you're good. Honestly this is not a hard scape to achieve but I certainly appreciate the comments. Sorry about the voice. I do lack a wee bit of charisma I know and I need to talk low because generally I record when everyone is in bed. Hopefully the tank stuff makes up for it.
I have taken the plunge, and Red Cherry Shrimp are in my heavily planted community tank, with 3 Clown loaches................and very happy, doing well. Video to come. Thankyou for the inspiration :)
colinbarsby no worries Colin, that's great! Hope you have a fantastic time enjoying it. I'd maybe keep an eye on the clown loach. They are notorious carnivores and one of the fish folk typically employ to eradicate pest snails because they are adept snail hunters. Also they get very big. It takes years but they can grow to over a foot eventually so as they grow I imagine they'd think nothing of chowing down on your shrimp. They are great wee fish though with tonnes of personality. You'll often find them getting up to antics including playing dead that can give you quite a fright at first. Keep them well fed and they might be fine with you're shrimp while they're still small though. They'll appreciate a range of foods including meaty ones like frozen or live blood worms. Have fun with it but please keep an eye on them just in case they do start showing your shrimp a bit too much interest. Thanks for updating me. It's great to hear that the video has inspired others to have a go at it and even better to hear how they're getting on with it.
It's interesting Daniel. I've had fish for 35 years, managed a fish import business, had my own aquarium store, and now just enjoy my tanks as a hobby again. My natural thought was that my Clowns would hunt the shrimp down. But my tank is HEAVILY planted. They are coexisting just fine, and the shrimp are super quick to flick to safety if any fish gets too close. Fascinating to watch. :)
colinbarsby oh that is a relief. A relief that it is going well but also that you know your stuff anyway so you know what you're doing with your loach then. I'll be honest I wrote out that reply several times. I wanted to let you know my concerns about the loach but really really didn't want to be a wet blanket on your excitement about it so tried to put my points as carefully as I could but I can stop worrying about that now, phew. And I'm delighted you are finding a new (renewed maybe) passion for fish keeping. I suppose it evolves like most other things so a veteran like yourself is able to find fresh ways to enjoy it.
It's funny being a "veteran" (Professional) Fishkeeper, and sharing on UA-cam. I'm learning all about video production now. So plenty to keep busy with :)
colinbarsby that's it Colin. I got into this quite by accident but then I was like; hey, this is another way of enjoying my hobby and spending more time with it plus I may be able to help someone out with a wee tip or experience or two that I found it tricky to find myself.
This is a great looking tank - thanks for sharing it - hope it's still doing as well a few years on! I was just wondering how the red cherry shrimp react to water changes/ how you do these as when I had them in the past, I don't think they liked the changes (zooming around the tank for example) and I wondered if I was doing something wrong? I would probably change about 20% and add water conditioner obviously. Thanks!
Thanks very much that's very kind of you. Unfortunately I don't have this tank any longer. It was a corner tank in my living room which no longer fit when we had renovations. Fortunately I have other tanks to play with but I do miss this one. I'd say a 20% change is normally fine for shrimp, not enough to have them upset enough to zoom around the tank unless there was a difference in temperature. If cooler or hotter water was added quick enough it may have stressed them. I would generally suggest adding water as slowly as possible to shrimp tanks. Other than that perhaps just the extra activity spooked them. Hope they are doing well.
Beautiful tank! I just bought some cherry shrimp and they are going to be in with guppies. I'm pretty sure the guppies will pick off the baby shrimp but I don't plan on breeding them anyway. The tank is heavily planted though and does have pearl moss and driftwood and rocks for hiding. I plan on feeding twice a day frozen and live foods. Let's hope this works out!
The shrimp may surprise you and breed more efficiently than you expect. I have a few tanks with different fish and red cherries and the shrimp are doing fine. Heavily planted the way you have it will definately help.
HATR CarnagE I don't think you can know everything in fish keeping. Reckon you learn stuff every day especially if you like tinkering and experimenting. Plus what works for one person might not work or work differently for someone else with their fish, plants or equipment. Thanks for your comment, encouraging to know you enjoyed it. Happy fish keeping.
I’ve found that most community fish won’t eat shrimp unless and until they see other fish doing so. I had a community tank with a variety of fish and none of them touched the shrimp. But then I added some more rummy nosed tetras to the ones I had already and as soon as I introduced them, they went for the shrimp. Pretty soon, all the fish were at it and they almost wiped out the shrimp colony. Of course, some fish will go after shrimp no matter what, but a lot of fish learn from each other what’s edible and what’s not. My colony of shrimp has recovered and the fish in the tank are not eating them. Now, when I buy new fish, I only choose ones that are sharing a tank with shrimp (like Chinese river shrimp) and not eating them.
Love your video, Just had couple of shrimps Got cover for them fingers crossed they be OK, Hope guppies OK with them worried my two catfish mite eat them will see. I had community fish first.
Love your tank and love your video. I'd really like some cherry shrimps but I bought a couple of dwarf puffers to control a snail explosion so alas I doubt I'll be able to have them in this tank. Might get around to setting up a dedicated nano shrimp tank one day.
TreCoolResident oddly I've just started collecting some footage for a couple of videos about different methods of snail control. None as exciting as Dwarf Puffers right enough. Wow they're so cool, bet you're excited. I've never kept them but I hope to one day. A nano tank sounds good. Shrimp are really interesting but you could also get a population of snails growing in there as well for feeding your Puffers when the snails run out in the Puffer tank. Thank you for the comment and the compliment.
What a beautiful set up,its not like you've just put a couple of fish in there,I was thinking of a few small catfish in mine,I think the key thing is you've allowed the shrimp to establish so within reason,any fry that are eaten won't have a detrimental effect on shrimp population.😊✌👍👌
Graham Smith oh I think you're right, that's definately a factor but I reckon all the points in the video helped to make it successful. I only started with 24 cherries and let them establish before I started adding the fish and you can see how many the population grew to. I've kept them in other tanks since then with: Guppies, Endlers, Gold Whitecloud Mountain Minnow, Molleys (different tanks) - successful. Male Betta - twice successful, once not. Better sorority - bit of a mixed bag. I've also kept Cherries and Amano with Pea Puffers - adults were fine but I didn't see many cherry shrimplets.
I can see why this video has so many reviews - it is great! Lots of fantastic advice and WOW your shrimps are definitely proof that what you are doing is working really well! Found you via Team Green Alliance - so nice to meet you! :)
Oh hey. Aye it's a great page they've put together and I love the whole vibe of helping one another out they're creating there. Yes the shrimp did great in this tank, it was a triumph I have to say. Unfortunately I had to shut the tank down when I had renovations in my house so I sold it which I regret every day. Every single day. Still lots of other tanks to enjoy and experiment with. Thanks for the comment and nice to meet you also.
Hey no worries. Like I said it won't work in every scenario with every fish, they all have their own personalities same as we do but hopefully some tips there to help you make it successful.
As long as you follow as many steps in the video I'd say they'd be okay. When you think about it Baloon Mollies aren't the quicker and have upturned mouths so not the greatest shrimp hunters. The Noens will probably pick off baby shrimp if they get the chance but give them plenty of hiding places etc and your colony should do well.
This is amazing. Thanks for sharing. Exactly how i imagined a community fish tank would look. I am researching for my trigon 190 at the moment and had planned to add shrimp first in the hope of achieving this exact thing. I read in another comment you wrote "I started with a couple of dozen and ended up with hundred". Could you go into a little more detail please. Like how long were they in the tank before you the added fish? Did you purchase them in bulk? Its e4.50 here for a shrimp so that would cost a lot. PS My partner doesn't get the shrimp fascination. I have always loved the idea of an ant formicarium and feel like this brings a taste of that to the aquarium.
I think it was six to eight weeks till I started adding the Fish but I added them slowly. It was some time ago now but if I remember rightly it was Ottos first which are completely shrimp safe then built up slowly. Obviously the slower you go the more settled and established the shrimp will be and the plants for that matter. I started with twelve shrimp then added a further twelve from another source but that is all, nature did the rest. If you work on the assumption a sexually mature female can have about thirty eggs at a time and can produce eggs about every thirty days you can see the numbers can soon increase depending on how many sexually mature females you begin with. Of course that is assuming every egg becomes a shrimplet and every shrimplet makes it to adulthood. Does that make sense? Hit me back if I missed anything.
Perfect sense. The main thing is patience. Its great to see this video because the google machine makes it sound like this is not possible. I have the tank on a fishless cycle at the moment. Plants in a bucket waiting to go in. I will be back in a few months with an update. I might even post a video. Thanks, Fishamble
@@Fishamble yeah that was my driving force for making the video. None of the information I came across at the time supported it was possible so I wanted to put it out there to encourage others. Thanks for your comments and good luck with yours. Let me know if you post a video about it I'd love to see and wouldn't want to miss it.
Your tank is beautiful! Could I inquire as to what substrate you are using and how you perform maintenance on your tank? I'm setting up a 55 gallon freshwater tank and using pea gravel as my substrate. Will this be a successful for planting ? Thank you.
That it just a mix of several grades of gravel from Pets at Home bud. There is a thin layer of clay based substrate underneath for the root plants. When gravel vacuuming this tank I would push the vac quite deep into the gravel (but never all the way to the clay) and raise it slowly. That would pull up the waste and also encourage the smaller gravel to raise up and sit on top of the larger stuff. I never gravel vac where there are plants growing and only vac half the rest of the gravel each time I did maintenance. Generally did a 20% water change on this tank each week which would include the water removed while gravel vacing. Some of the plants I used for this tank did not require planting such as the moss and Java Fern. They would be attached to scape. Pea gravel should be fine for planting but I'd help heavy root feeders along with the clay based substrate underneath the gravel that I mentioned or root tabs. Hope that helps.
They must sense the danger. Comets can get really big; 4-8 inches in a good sized aquarium, 12 in a pond. They'll have no problem sucking up the wee shrimp as the get bigger. Glad it's working out for you so far. Thanks for letting us know it's working out for you too.
Daniel, it is a great video. It's amazing what you have done. Thank you! Also, I think what differentiates you from others is that you show more of aquarium than your face, which makes a much better video. I have a few questions that I would like to ask. I had aquarium all my life since I was a kid, in Russia. I live in US now and have a 20-gallon with a 9-year old African Featherfin Catfish in it, about 9 inches long (alone in there). My 11-year old son and my 9-year old son both want their own aquariums with smaller fish. My 11-year old came across your video because he really wanted to get Cherry Shrimp. He would LOVE to replicate what you have in there. We will probably start with a 20- 30-gallon tank. So, a few questions, if you don't mind:1. How big is this community tank?2. What filter do you use? Sponge or power, etc.? What brand and size? I have never used sponge filters before but I heard that's what you need to use for shrimp/smaller fish/babies, which makes sense.3. What gravel/sand you have in there? What is the brand/type? 4. You mentioned tankmates, but due to accent :), it's hard to make up some, can you please list them? Thank you!5. It would be really nice if you could do a video for cherry shrimp beginners on how to set up a brand new tank (not cycling, etc.), but just what gravel medium, filter, plants would be best (you covered dwarf sage). 6. Why do you have large rocks standing vertically in aquarium?7. What fresh veggies do you give to your fish? Do you have a video of feeding "human food" to fish/shrimp? I love the way you did it, on a skew. In general, it would really really help if you could list key things you discussed in your video in the notes to your video. Specifically:Gallon sizeTankmatesGravel typeFilter typePlantsThanks again! Great video!
Oksana W I can answer those questions for you no problem. I may do it in several replies to make it a bit easier though. Okay so this tank was a Jeuwel Trigon 190 but 20/30 G is plenty for a shrimp tank and some community fish. Obviously the bigger you go the more fish you can add but no every fish is shrimp safe. I was surprised the Dwarf Gourami was fine it was. As I mentioned though each fish has it's own personality and it may not always be the case. I've had cherries with lots of community fish in different tanks though mostly successful. I've also kept them with male Betta (twice successful, once was not) a Betta sorority (Not successful though others have claimed success) and even Pea Puffers (adults were fine but didn't see many shrimplets). I think it's a case of doing everything possible to make it successful, establishing the shrimp first and keeping a very close eye when adding the fish. Cherry Shrimp are primarily algae grazers so should be added to an established tank for them to be most successful then the fish later once the shrimp are doing well.
Filtration is more difficult to answer. A lot depends on the size of the tank and personal preference. On the Trigon I went through various stages (including sponge only). They were pretty big sponge filters when I did that and they worked great. The only draw back with sponges is they don't actually remove waste like other filters do so you need to adjust your maintenance accordingly. My preferred choice at the moment is a combination of a hang on back filter plus a sponge filter. As well as filtration these also create sufficient surface agitation to allow gas exchange so there is no need for an additional air bubbler. The HOB (will depend on your tank size and set up) also creates flow and therefore water movement in the tank. I personally have no issue with using canister filters or HOBs for shrimp. The important thing is that you add a pre-filter sponge to the intake so your shrimp are not sucked up. The sponge you use needs to be porous enough so it does not reduce flow though otherwise you risk stressing your filter. There are a lot of good brands of canisters I have used over time. The choice will depend as I say on the size of tank. Also I always customise my HOB or canister filters to optimise their performance.
The substrate I used in this tank (and most of my tanks) was firstly a thin layer of clay based substrate from one of the big box stores (for the plants) covered with gravel. In that tank I used several grades of gravel; the typical to the very fine. I like gravel opposed to sand because the plants find it easy to get their roots through it. Where root plants grow I don't vac the gravel, just collect any debris from the plants. Where there are no plants I push the vac into the top layer and remove it slowly. This ends up with the finer gravel on top of the bigger stuff and any waste removed. I also like to keep Malaysian Trumpet Snails in my tanks. They burrow through the gravel keeping it aerated and consuming food waste and decaying plant matter.
For tankmates I have already mentioned some of the riskier options but I this tank (as well as the Gouramis) I kept Gold Whitecloud Mountain Minnow, Harlequin Rasbora, Neon Tetra, various Ran Cichlids, Siamese Algae Eaters, Bristlenose Plecs, Ottos and Cories. All of those SHOULD be okay with Cherries although not necessarily all at the same time. I've also kept Amano and Woodshrimp with them, Ramshorn, Rabbit and Assassin snails (at vaeious stages) and had Cherries in Endler and Guppy tanks. Think that's most of the Tankmates I've had although I may have forgotten one or two. You'll surely be able to find a nice combination from that list but of course research any fish you are thinking about. Each has different needs like preferring to be in groups for example or varying feeding needs.
As for decoration shrimp are not too fussy. They love Cholla wood, I'm about to do a video about that. Otherwise anything for them to climb and graze on and stuff to give them cover when they melt is great. I'd say plants are a must for shrimp and they really appreciate Java Moss. Honestly I can't remember why I had the standing stones. I'm forever changing things up and trying new things. Might have been somewhere for fish to hide, a surface to grow plants up or just decoration. Possibly all three, I really can't remember.
I started this tank with a layer of Tropica's clay and sphagnum substrate under the gravel. I do that with most of my tanks where I'll be using root feeder plants. If I keep plants that feed out of the water column I also use liquid ferts. I like Seachem Flourish and TNC complete. I don't use CO2 at all. I hope that helps to answer your question.
I'd love a tank like that. Do you remember vaguely in what order you added the tank mates? Did the small schooling fish come first? Can't believe you don't have the world's fattest gourami! 😂
Infinity2zRO I know right? I don't know if I just got lucky but it worked well. I can't even say the male Gourami had a placid temperament as I had to remove the female eventually because he kept attacking her. I do remember the order roughly: 1. Set up with plants. 2. Cherry Shrimp. 3. Gold Whitecloud Mountain Minnow (7). 3. Three young Bristlenose. 4. Neon Tetra (13 originally). 5. Harlequin Rasbora (I had six in another aquarium till I learned the hard way they are jumpers the moved the remaining three into this tank). 6. Gourami. I can't honestly remember at what stage I added the Wood Shrimp or the Assasin snails and the Siamese Algae Eaters came much later when I had a BBA outbreak. The Cories (Three albino) were last in. I hadn't intended on them but I couldn't walk past them in the lfs one day. Hope that helps. Good luck if you are going to attempt it.
Thank you for this video. I have a heavily planted tank and thinking of the same thing. I do have Amano shrimp in there but never see them. I thought they were gone but when I was up in the middle of the night, last week I spotted one. I think having hiding spots is the secret.
Robert Fletcher yes I think hiding opportunities are essential for any vulnerable species we keep. Interestingly enough I have a Pea Puffer tank that is not quite as heavily planted as I'd like. It has a couple of Amano shrimp and quite a few Cherries. I feared the Peas would have attacked them but the don t seem to and the shrimp navigate the tank with confidence. That said I don't see any shrimplets so I assume the Peas are eating the babies. I'm hoping as the plants fill out a bit that may change.
I really like your tank. Planted community tanks are my favorite. Nice to see an example of a thriving neocaridina shrimp colony in a community tank. I'm currently experimenting with neos in a community tank. Except I'm trying it in a tank that's already heavily stocked with community fish. I recently added about a half dozen juvenile neocaridinas. I wasn't sure if I'd ever see them again after I released them. About three weeks later I finally saw one. Now I've seen as many as three that have grown to adulthood. Now the question is will any breed successfully? The tank is heavily planted with lots of bushy java moss, so maybe.
Oh I hope so Jeff. Hopefully there are a few more hiding out and they will start to breed for you. Aye I don't understand how you wouldn't be captivated by them. They are so pretty and interesting. Helpful too if you are able to establish a group in a planted tank. Good luck. Hope you'll update me soon with baby news.
I'd like to give Bosemani Rainbow fish a try. In the process of building a 65 Gallon, and I'm thinking I'll start off with a dozen cherry shrimp, and add other fish as the shrimp colony grows.
Sounds good. They might stay out of each other's way; the Rainbows at the top and the shrimp down below but I would think an adult Bosemani wouldn't think twice about snacking on a shrimp. Might have more luck with Precox but even then there are some fish that will just never go well with shrimp of course. Hope it goes well though, never know till you try it. I'd recommend giving the shrimp a goof few months to develop a nice healthy population before adding the Rainbows.
Fishy Wishes thank you very much for the compliment. Aye I'm all about the natural look. I've tried other themes but the natural stuff just sneaks back in. I guess you like what you like eh?
Daniel Keeping Fish most of my tanks I go for natural look as well these days. I still have a few decorations that aren't natural. I've been trying to add live plants but some of my fish just don't appreciate them. Lol.
Fishy Wishes aye I just saw your Amazon Sword that got beat up. The fish often have their own ideas I suppose. That's why I can't do big Cichlids and so on. I'm a planted guy and they like to rearrange too much.
Daniel Keeping Fish yeah my fish don't like change. Lol. I'm a fish and plant guy that's trying to combine the two. Like you said though, the big cichlids have their own ideas.
You have given me hope!!! Recently just set up a 200l tank and I wish I had started with shrimp then the fish like you had! I did have 3 cherrys in there and it wasn't the fish that ate them it was the filter!! (found 2 out of 3 in there) I've since bought some stainless steel mesh that I'm going to place over the filter. The only thing I'm worried about is I've recently bought a set of dwarf chiclids and can see the male loving shrimp! When I moved my endlers over form my nano tank (so I could breed shrimp on there own) one of the smaller enders was sacked up by the male straight away!! Once my shrimp have beefed up abit I'll try again.... Also I have an assain snail and never a problem with shrimp....only my bumble snails which are small and slow....had to separate. Also placing the accent? East ldn?
Steven Norris haha, South London with a few Scottishisms thrown in. I knew you were going to say your filter when I got half way through that sentence. Aye stainless steel mesh may well work if it's fine enough, good idea. Lots of shrimp keepers use pre-filter sponges for that purpose. I'm assuming were not talking Rams or Apistos here when you say about Dwarf Cichlids if they are swallowing your Endlers, something a wee bit bigger than that? Sorry to read about your Endler casualty too by the way. I guess if they can manage to gobble up Endlers then your shrimp will probably be at risk as well to be honest. If you need them up a bit as you say though and try to build up a big enough colony you may be okay even with loosing the odd one every now and then. Good luck with it, hope it works out for you. It's so rewarding when it does.
i have 2 orange snails, 6 neon tetras and 2 female cherry shrimp in my 10 gallon. works well. i had a third male cherry but the neons gang banged him, ate everything but his outer shell. always a risk! but only 1 death and ive had this tank set up for 6 months.
Beautiful set up.x please may i ask if you have had any experience with yoyo loach and shrimp at all? I have 4 in a 200 litre and would live to incorporate Red Cherry shrimp....but as my yoyo's are like Zebedee on speed...im concerned they would be too much stress on shrimp or perhaps they would get on swimmingly.x please can i have your thoughts? Thank you very muchxx
Ah hey Claire. Yeah unfortunately I don't think that would make a good mix at all. Yoyos are expert hunters and get quite big and boisterous. Aside from stressing the Cherry Shrimp out they would almost certainly gobble them up in no time too. Sorry if that's not what you were hoping for but would rather save you heartache later on.
@@DanielKeepingFish Thank you and thats pretty much what i thought, as i doubt even hiding holes and a well planted area would deter the 'Likely Lads' from hunting them down! Thank you again for the advice and ill stick to watching shrimp videos instead for the time being. Thank you, Clairex
@@clairecurtis6639 haha, Likely Lads. 😂 No worries Claire. Either that or set up a wee shrimp tank... They don't need a large aquarium just for themselves. 😉
I’m about to add Rili shrimp into my heavily planted aquarium but also have rummy nosed tetras. Will they be safe? I have 3D printed a shrimp cave, covered it in moss and hid it in the most dense part of the aquarium away from the filter inlet. I’m buying 20 as I’m sure some will become a snack.
I wouldn't want to guarantee they will be safe. What I can say is I have a tank with Rummienose and Cherry Shrimp which seems to be fine. Every fish has it's own personality though so all you can do is follow as many steps in the video as possible for the best chance of it being successful which it sounds like you are doing. Also I might suggest adding ten shrimp first and watch closely then add the additional ten once you are confident it is working out. Just to save you loosing all twenty if it doesn't go well. Hope that helps. Hope it works out for you too and you enjoy your new shrimp.
Great video. they all look so happy together. like how they all nibble at the same food together without fighting. I intend to start a tank with 6-8 CR, 6 white cloud,/zebra danios/ 3 Nerite snail and one or two Hillstream Loach Not sure what else to include. any thoughts let me know? Tanks size thinking 120 Litres. Oh and yes planning a cold water tank
Whiteclouds are one of my favorite fish. I have 100 gold ones in a 6ft tank with Cherry Shrimp other tankmates. I've been wanting to add Hillstreams for ages but haven't been able to get any here. I think it sounds like a great tank. Danios can sometimes be a bit boisterous so may need to watch them with the shrimp. If they become an issue could always keep gold and regular Whiteclouds for the two different colours. I'm not the biggest fan of Nerite myself. Purley because you can't sex them and the females lay little white eggs all over the tank which can't hatch in fresh water and are a pain to get rid of but that's just me. Like I said I really like the tank you're designing here. I'd say lots of plants, let the shrimp settle in for a real good while first if you're able and remember the loaches enjoy a good bit of current and high oxygen levels and plenty of rocks to graze on, another reason for letting your tank mature before adding the fish. Have fun with it, it sounds great.
@@DanielKeepingFish What size tank did you use? What were the other fish you had with them? Saw a big round fish and wondered what it was? looking at tanks and prices saw a 105L, 150L + cabinet and 220L +cabinet. Also on another channel i heard from one poster who said his white clouds ate most of his Cherry shrimp -possibly he didn't add shrimp first and /or the WC were very hungry. I think perhaps your right about adding juvenile fish. Thanks again for replying and making a great video.
Ah, thanks for the nice feedback. The tank in the video is a Juwel Trigon 190. It's a corner tank. It was heated to 24C and I had Neon Tetra, SAE, Bristlenose, Ottos, Bamboo Shrimp and Assassin Snails in with the Cherry Shrimp. I think you mean Dwarf Gourami being the round fish, the blue and red ones yes? I've done it with other tanks; keeping Cherry Shrimp with other fish including Gold Gourami, Mollies, Five Banded Barb, Apistogramma Mcmasteri Gold. I'm not saying it is full proof and works every time, perhaps that guy was right that Whiteclouds did eat his shrimp but I've been successful with it a few times and I know others that have done it successfully too like Aqua Mate, an Australian fish UA-camr. What I'm saying is if we follow as many steps in the video as possible then there is a greater chance of it being fine. Letting the shrimp build up a healthy population before adding the fish definately helps. Take wise I would always advise going with as big as your budget and space allows. The larger the tank the more it is able to cope with issues like temperature and water condition changes. Plus we generally end up wanting to upgrade as some stage so starting big helps if that's an option. Hope that all helps.
@@DanielKeepingFish Based on what you've told me and a bit more research. i think i should use a tropical aquarium for my fish choices as mine and your fish prefer a temperate water tank. I heard Hill stream Loaches will live shorter life span with cold water.
That's dwarf Sagittaria bud. Very undemanding plant. High light keeps it short and low light will force it to reach up. It propogates by sending out runners and once it gets going does really well. It shouldn't be too hard to find either.
I have a 20 gallon long, medium - high planted, 8 neon tetras, 7 black tetras, several baby guppies and around 30-40 neo cardina shrimp. I introduced a young dwarf gourami and yeah, it didn't eat my shrimp, but it would chase all the other fish. It's a bully. So I moved the dwarf gourami to my angelfish tank and put a honey gourami in my shrimp tank and everyone is much happier now... Except now he's bullying my angels.
Hi You have an amazing setup. Can you please share your tips as to how you clean your tank. I never had shrimps before n I am planning to have a setup like yours you are my inspiration :)
Mazhar oh wow, what a lovely compliment, thank you. To be honest once it established and matured there wasn't too much to the maintence; gravel vac (only open areas, not where root plants are) and water change once a week plus scraping the front glass (not the back) with an old bank card whilst doing the water change and good filter maintenance when required, that's all. Every now and then I would have to trim the moss and remove some of the dwarf sag when it got too tall (higher light keeps it short, lower light makes it reach up) or thick. A team of Ottocinclus Catfish and a couple of Siamese Algea Eaters (not False SAE or Flying Fox, there are different) kept the leaves of the bigger plants nice and clean. When I put the tank together I added a layer of clay based substrate under the gravel for the plants to feed off. Also this tank used two T5 lights. I had one white the right spectrum for plant growth and one pink bulb to bring out the green and red colours in the fish, shrimp and plants. The shrimp seem to colour up better on the darker substrate. I hope that helps. If I can answer anything else please feel free to ask and thanks again for the lovely comments.
Daniel Keeping Fish thank you for sharing the details. I am planning to set up an aquarium next month. Once done I'll share the pic with u. May be you could share yr opinion. However I have one concern. How do u clean the sand. Do u partially clean it or remove it completely . Since we have shrimps here and they eat that moss algae. Do u let them be?. When I clean my tank I completely scrub the moss once in 2 months. I don't clean the filter at that moment I do it the next month. A suggestion if you could share yr shrimp tank cleaning video it would be awesome. Thank you once again for responding and sharing yr thoughts.
What kind of plecostomus is that at the beginning? Enjoyed the video very much! What a great looking tank! I've got a few glass shrimp and they are real characters. But I want to get into these guys soon. They add something special to a tank imho.
Thanks very much. Yeah they add a nice splash of colour. They're really cool and they're pretty adaptable. It's a young Bristlenose Pleco, too young yet to get the bristles.
fantastic video have been looking for this info for so long just like you heard nothing other then shrimp and fish don,t mix,i have an already established heavily plated aquarium but all the fish are juveniles and have grown together hmm may try and introduce shrimp on this basis i guess if there are enough hiding places,they should be okay!see what happens!
Henry Coombe thanks very much. Yes that's why I decided to put it out there, I found it really difficult to find anything to support the theory that it would work so I thought it might help others to see that it can. As I said it won't work in every scenario but here's living proof that it can be done. Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful and good luck with yours. Hope it turns out as successful as it did here.
I have a very heavily planted Community tank running CO2 densely planted and a good bit of rock for them to hide in I see that you have a dwarf Gourami male as do I I just want to make sure that these guys will have a chance if I add them
I think some of it depends on the personality of the fish. Gourami are cousins of Betta and are similar in many ways. I find Betta and Gourami personalities to vary between relaxed and tolerant of tank mates like snail and shrimp and murderous towards anything you add to the tank. My advice would be to follow as many steps that I explained as you can then try it. I wouldn't go straight for adding a dozen cherries though. I'd maybe try two or three and see how they get on before spending more on many shrimp that may or may not end up as lunch. You could even try basic fresh water shrimp first which are cheaper. Hope it works out as well for you as it has me.
i'm doing a community tank as well i have one blue shrimp and a bunch of ghost shrimp and im want to add more nd i'm wondering what species would be good...GREAT VIDEO
Matt Calhoun thanks very much. The problem is I have heard of Ghost shrimp attacking other shrimp although I'll be quick to say I've not seen it myself. If you want to try it and if it's a planted tank I'd say you can't ignore the Red Cherries like I have here. They are one of the Neocaridina davidi species. The red really pops against the plants and substrate. They are more adaptable than most Caridina and accept wider parameters if acclimated properly. I always use the drip method. Plus they are not quite as expensive as some of the other shrimp varieties so the cheaper option to try in case the Ghosts do go after them. That would be my suggestion I think. Alternatively a bigger shrimp you may consider is Wood shrimp. They are very interesting too. I have a video about those as well, I'll post the link as a reply to this comment.
just watched them thanks. I do think the ghost shrimp will be alright as it is a 55 gallon tank and rather big and they have lots of food. My tank is almost a month old so i am considering adding some more bottom feeder shrimp like the cherries or blue velvets. Although i have a large filter and i fear that will suck up and babies lol
I have been feeling tempted to set up a shrimp tank with a few other fishes like green neon tetras, some amber tetras, these chili fish, and maybe these other spoted fish can't think of the name of them, maybe a couple cory cats, maybe a few cooliy loaches, a fresh water goby, some snails, and maybe even a couple pom pom crabs, but i thought this would be too overcrowded as they say one inch of fish for every gallon of water and i see your take is way over the one one inch fish for every gallon of water, because it looks like you have about 500 shrimp in there. you much clean the siphon the bottom of the tank often? or is there another way you go about having all them fish and keeping the waste not too bad?
John Richardson thank you very much. I've actually sold the tank now to a friend of mine as I made changes in my house and the corner tank just didn't work any more. I can still answer your question though. And the answer is I didn't. I would do my water changes but I never gravel vac where plants are growing because the roots are using the waste that gets down there. I would vac over the top of the plants but not down into the substrate. Any open areas I would gravel vac of course and when the Dwarf Sag got too tall I would pull out clumps of it and just let it regrow straight over which didn't take long. I kinda regret selling it, it was the perfect planted tank, I didn't even need to dose ferts like I do in other tanks. Just the clay based substrate under the gravel and the fish waste kept it topped up. No CO2 or anything as they were all relatively undemanding plants.
@@DanielKeepingFish Sorry Daniel, I didn't realise you had answered my question, thank you. I'm about to have anogher crack at Red cherry shrimp in my 84ltr tall tank. After watching all the vids I xan find I still dont know what I did wrong. I would consider your tank to be the best I've seen and to me it was perfection. It is exactly what I would strive for. I am going to start with an empty cycled tank as I am transferring my 4 nano tetra out to my 200ltr long community tank. My cycled 84 ltr tall will have a temp of 22°c and zero for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Ph 7.6 with two nubious live plants, rock arch, almond leaf, spong filter etc. I am thinking of getting 10 Reds and seeing how things go, any tips or advise greatly appreciated. I bet your missing your tank, I did when I gave away my 4ft 300ltr tank as I moved house.
@@johnrichardson4583 oh wow. Such nice comments and high praise indeed. Thank you very much. Yes I do miss it. I mean I have other tanks but this one certainly was a triumph. So yes I have some suggestions. Firstly they are primarily biofilm grazers so best practice is to add them to a mature tank. Not just cycled but as balanced as possible too with plenty of biofilm and micro-organisms present. So in your case I'd be tempted to leave the fish in there for a couple of weeks and then move them out when you add the shrimp if that is the plan. I'd acclimate them super slow using the drip method and if it is shrimp only in there for a while I'd watch for over feeding. It isn't ideal for their intestines. Once they are in I'd leave them alone as much as possible and let them settle in till they are really comfortable. If it wouldn't mess with your plan too much I'd have some moss in the tank somewhere such as Java Moss. Shrimp really appreciate it. See if you can give them some calcium in their diet as well. I've been experimenting with Kale after a tip from a friend but they haven't been too interested so far. You can always wedge a wee bit of cuttel bone (like for budgies) somewhere. Some folk grind up egg she'll and add it periodically somewhere hidden away. Keep an eye on your water conditions and have fun! Good luck with it and sorry to hear you too had to let a tank you loved go. I suppose it happens to most of us if we've been in the hobby long enough.
Hi, just came across your video. Very good it is too. Plenty of stuff for us amateurs to get ideas from, so thank you. I have a couple of questions however, would you purchase shrimp from online and how many would you buy to go into a 30 Litre tank? Thank you in advance and I look forward to seeing more videos from you in the future. Kind regards,
Trevorfoggia hi. Thanks for the comments. I would still consider myself an amature even after 15 years off and on in the hobby. There are new things to learn every day which is one of the great things about it for me. I just try things and if they work I share them. I'm sorry but I have never ordered shrimp or fish online. I'm not against it, I just haven't done it to have a perspective. I'm sure there are some very good online stores. If I were going to use one I would research the site, read the customer reviews, etc before purchasing. To stock your tank I would start slow with a few, no more than 6 or 8. They can be expensive so you want to know they will be fine and thrive in your aquarium before you invest in more. If they do well you can add more later. One of my pleasures with them has been breeding them. I would leave stocking room for this to happen, it can be fascinating but you can have quite a few shrimp in you 30l. For one thing they don't have much of a bioload to put stress on your filter. Hope that helps.
Mischievous D Hi, thank you for get back to me. I appreciate it. I'm going to give it a go for sure, I just need to make a bit of space and get myself another tank. I'll let you know in the future how I get on - and may sound out an sos call to you if I get in the proverbial. Take care. And thank you again.
Hahaha.. send an SOS any time. If I can help I will. I hope you understood what I was saying, you CAN get a nice wee community of shrimp going in your tank and they will be fine. I'm just saying take it slow so you know everything is going well before you run out and waste any money if some of the shrimp die before you fine tune your conditions. One of the reasons I try to buy more local to me is because the shrimp will have been raised in the same water as mine so less chance of them struggling to adjust. I found a breeder very local to me through a fish group of local fish keepers on Facebook. Bet there will be one in your area where you can make contacts. I'm also a member of a world wide group that is VERY good. There's a lot to appreciate about it but one of the things is the members are really good at helping out and giving advice when folk need it. Stop by for ideas and assistance if you need to, they'd be glad for you to join in. Here's the link: facebook.com/groups/1453728328262805/ Good luck with your project, you'll have so much fun with it.
Personally no. It tends to be frowned upon in the community especially if you intend to share your shrimp with others as it will dilute the strains. It's actually a huge and interesting subject. Here is a thread from a website I like about it. www.plantedtank.net/forums/88-shrimp-other-invertebrates/113558-what-do-cross-bred-shrimps-look-like.html#/topics/113558?page=1
I thought you were post to put them into a community tank, My tank had small cichlids and the shrimp were still prolific, now I learned that they aren’t post to live with them but I did it on accident, well it still worked and they fine
Hi, i have a comunity aguarium of 200L , i put adult cherry shrimps and its all good the fishes dont attack them! My consurn is about the babys shrimps and the filter is not a sponge one. What do u recomend?? Thanks.
It kind of depends on your preference and tank setup. I'm very fond of hang on back filters but many tanks with hoods (in you have one) don't allow for them to be placed easily. It also depends on your tank size. Most canister filters are suited to bigger tanks. If you go to my product reviews play list you'll find a range of filters that I have covered. With canisters and HOBs the important thing is to use a pre-filter sponge on the intake pipes so your shrimp don't get sucked into the filter. There again on most occasions if they do get sucked up it's often a case of just tipping them out again. That is easier with some filters more than others, canisters being most difficult. If you let me know what kind of tank it is I may be able to suggest a couple of filters for you to look at, it's quite difficult to recommend without knowing specifics like size, if it has a hood or not, etc. 👍
You have to be careful which fish you add because they learn from each other. My cherries never got eaten until I added a Bolivian Ram, who likes to hunt the shrimp. The other fish saw it and now they all will eat them if they can catch them, even the rasboras who used to ignore them completely. Now they only really come out at night.
I made a mistake when I bought my first shrimp. I put em in a tank with gold barbs (and they had some serious aggression problems) and no plant cover, and bye bye went my shrimp, I didnt see him again after the first day I put him in there. I've removed the gold barbs, currently I have 2 platies and 1 dwarf gourami. I know that the gourami might be a problem but I have a feeling he won't go after them, he doesn't pay any attention to my other tank inhabitants at all actually, he's obsessed with his own reflection more than anything else. I'm thinking if I had some plant cover and get a few shrimp instead of just the one they'll all have better chances this time around.
Sarah Gibson I think most barbs can be a bit untrustworthy is that respect. Folk say cherry barbs less so but I've never kept them to be able to confirm that. Sorry to hear about your shrimp. I had to giggle about your Gourami being self-obsessed though. I've had a couple like that, I know exactly what you mean. I definately feel heavily planted is the way to go and I can't recommend moss enough for shrimp particularly Java Moss. Good luck with your next attempt.
Originally I had planned to get cherry barbs actually, but they were far too tiny at the time to put in an aquarium with the other fish so I opted for the gold barbs instead (obvious mistake haha). Thanks for the advice, it's likely my LFS will have java moss next time I go (as I understand it is fairly common?). Thank you for taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it.
Sarah Gibson no worries at all. Yes they definately love the moss. Not so much for protection although it does offer some when it starts to grow out but they certainly love grazing on it. I've found with moss it does best when you don't mess around with it too much. Just place it where you want it then leave it to do it's thing. With Java Moss trimming it encourages to spread out and don't pack it too tight else it turns brown in the middle and rots. Really hope things improve for you and your plans start working out.
That's a Trigon 190 so 190 liters. Great corner tanks that look bigger than they are when looking into them. Yes that's Dwarf Sag, good eye. Nice plant for making an easy carpet with if you can keep it short.
I have a 10 gallon tank with 9 neon tetras and 4 rc shrimps, with one shrimp ready to drop. Will the shrp try survive? Heavily planted. And will the tank become overcrowded?
I think the Neons may pick off the baby shrimp when they get a chance but in a nice heavily planted tank with plenty of hiding place some should make it through fine. I think it will be a good while before your rank is over crowded. RC are pretty small and don't have much of a bio load. You can have many more shrimp before it starts looking like an issue.
So this is quite an old video. I don't have this tank a y more. I had to shut this one down for some renovations in the house and felt like it would never be the same again so I sold it to a friend of mine. What I can tell you is the water out of my tap is very, very soft. Hardly anything in it at all and I never buffered the water. Any hardness at all would only have come from the shells from dead snails dissolving slowly in the water so not much at all.
Hi, mate. Have you kept your shrimp with harlequin rasbora, or black phantom tetra? I heard copper is bad for shrimp (1) so what fertilizer do you you use..Or recommend ? I have Seachem products and an all in one fert LCA (Liverpool Creek Aquarium) it also has copper in it.Borh brands say they're safe for shrimp. Since im new to keeping shrimp I'm a bit worried. (2) What do you feed your shrimp? I know they eat algae (organisms that live on algae) and bio film. Some even eat bba
I have kept shrimp with Harlequin Rasbora. They tend to use the upper levels of the aquarium and didn't bother the shrimp from what I noticed. I haven't kept them with Phantom Tetra. If you intend to try it try to cover as many points in the video as you can and start with just a couple of shrimp if you already have the fish to see how they get on. Most fertilisers only have small traces of copper, if they say they are shrimp safe they generally are. I use or have used TNC complete, Seachem Florish and Tropica plant growth formula. All have been fine in my tanks with shrimp in them. So shrimp are scavengers mainly. Generally if keeping them with fish I don't specifically feed them. They'll mop up whatever the fish miss and graze on algae (most don't eat BBA, Amano shrimp are reported to eat it) and micro organisms. They will appreciate treats though of course. There are shrimp specific foods. They'll also appreciate algae wafers, graze on vegetables like courgette, make a bee line for most Rapashi foods and calcium in their diet really helps to keep them well. A sneaky way of achieving that is grinding up some egg shell or wedging cuttlefish (the type you buy for birds) in a wee hidden crack somewhere. Hope that helps.
Allow me to comment on your substrate. It looks great! Gravel + sand isn’t as messy as I had imagined...it certainly looks natural. I feel like I can go ahead and purchase black sand Flourite to add on top. :) FloraMax substrate mentioned it isn’t ideal for shrimps since it might raise pH. ): Perhaps you could recommend another species? Thank you
Stefanie Sarros thank you very much for the compliment, very nice of you to say. That isn't actually black sand in there it's the finest black gravel I could find and it is indeed very small. What I did there was a layer of clay based substrate for the plants at the bottom then a layer of normal sized black gravel over it. Next a layer of medium sized gravel with some white gravel sprinkled across the top. Finally the tiny gravel but only in places I didn't want the plants to grow because it would be easier for the roots to work through the bigger bits and a waste of the tiny gravel effect where the carpet was going to grow over it anyway. How I got the mixed look was by using my gravel vac but only as deep as the medium sized gravel. The smaller stuff is lifted more so of course so mostly settles on top with some of the medium sized pieces and some of the white pieces you see. Does that all make sense? So you see you can still get that effect without using Floramax or whatever, provide nutrients for your plants another way and have the shrimp that you want. I'm sorry if that was a bit long winded and confusing. I did confuse myself and have to write that out several times!
@@paulpawlowski6662 no problem. It's just different grades of rounded gravel from Pets at Home with a few pieces of larger white gravel through it. Each time I did a gravel vac I would push a wee way into the gravel and as I lifted it would blend the gravels together creating a nice effect. I used some clay based substrate under the gravel for the root plants and never push down as far as that when vacing.
Each of the grades of gravel are smaller than the typical size sold in stores by the way. You can see some slightly bigger and more irregular shaped white pieces here and there. They are the regular size. I think the fact that the other gravel was smaller and rounder is part of what made it work well.
@@paulpawlowski6662 some people do dirtied tanks which is generally an inch thick layer of dirt but then they cap it with an inch of gravel. If you think about it if soil were exposed it could keep leeching into the water making you tank dirty and playing havoc with your water parameters especially if the fish stir it up. The clay based substrate I referred to is literally a couple of millimetres at the bottom under the gravel and no more. The fish waste adds to it over time as your tank matures. There are several brands of specialised Aquasoil available but I can't tell you about those because I do not use them. For one reason some can mess with your pH for a while till it settles down. I'm sorry I can't tell you more about Aquasoil but I hope I have been some help.
i had cherry shrimp in my tank which co-exist peacefully with tetraglofish, rummynose tetra, silverfin tetra.. i think why it work because 1. A lot of hiding places which is i use lava rock as a hardscape.. Moss and hairgrass.. 2. I never feed my fish with any kind of fresh food and worm.. I only feed them with flakes.. 3. well feed fish.. if they are well fed there is no reason to look for extra..
No scrappy music, no naff intro. Creat video 🙌 off to buy some shrimp 😁👍
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
As I said it may not work every time. All you can do is follow as many of the steps as possible and hopefully it will be fine.
Maybe an idea to start with a smaller number of shrimp or even some cheaper ones like fresh water shrimp to see how they get on before fully committing.
Good luck with it.
Do you know if you can get a muzzle for my gourami it keeps biting my other fish
@@the_druid0066 haha, not sure about that but I know what you mean. I've had some Gourami that butter wouldn't melt and I've had some that are homicidal maniacs.
I really like your optimist way of viewing things, especially the maintanance at the end. "spend more time with my tank", that's awesome
Voeris all true! I'd spend all day every day messing around with fish tanks if I could. If I've got some tinkering or a project to do all the better.
I have my cherry shrimp in a planted tank full of mossy driftwood and some whip tail catfish and L397 plecos and all seem to be doing just fine. The L397s are panaque wood eaters and don’t bother the shrimp at all, despite being able to swallow them whole. The whiptails are super peaceful too. It does work.
Watching your wonderful presentation in 2023 Daniel! Wow such a beautiful tank, and excellant information! So glad to have seen this mate😊
This really helped me. Thank you, I want to upgrade my tank but I didn't want to have 20 gallons with just shrimp nor did I want them all eaten.
Sorry I only just saw this. We don't get notified of every single comment. Really glad it helped though.
Wow... I might do this now! I love the look of neon tetras and a well planted cherry shrimp tank! Beautiful tank my friend!
Neon Tetra Aquarist thank you very much.
I subscribed to your channel because I watched a few of your videos and I really enjoyed them. Think they are well made and they are very interesting. Will look forward to your next one.
Daniel Fish Keeping Thanks bud! Wow, your so kind!
Neon tetras are outclassed
One thing that I have found success with for adding cherry shrimp to a community tank is first add ghost shrimp which are much cheaper. Once those are established in the community tank and your fish get used to them you can then start adding the more expensive cherry shrimp varieties
Love that idea. Thanks for sharing it.
Will the ghost attack the cherry?
Also what kind of shrimp was that big one walking by?
@@onsloth I’m not sure but I don’t this so, I’d be more worried about the fish attacking both shrimp
Happy with my shrimps they have settled in my tropical fish tank, Know problem. Thanks your the best one in video yet. Thanks again.
Glad it worked out for you June. Enjoy watching your shrimp in their new home.
I’m so thankful you posted this video, because I’ve been researching and scanning the web to see if I could keep a more varied community tank, I am upgrading to a 20 gallon and am new to the community tank world. I currently have a few shrimp with neons and guppies, and they don’t hassle the shrimp at all. Even by the smallest shrimp. But my fish dream is to have a dwarf gourami and add more shrimp. But I was discouraged to read online you couldn’t. So I might give it a try and see how they fair. Also I found your voice quite relaxing. Much appreciated!
Ah, thank you very much.
Gourami like any fish have their own personality but they can also be similar to their Beta cousins. Some are totally chill and others are very hostile. It really is luck of the draw with them.
I would make sure you have a good healthy population of shrimp before adding one. Follow as many steps in the video as you can and spend as much time as you can observing the Gourami in the tank as you can before choosing one. Try to go for one that isn't displaying any hostility or aggression and hopefully it will work out.
It's good to have a back up plan for if it doesn't such as being able to return it to the store or moving it to another tank if necessary.
I hope it goes as well for you as it has for me. They really are beautiful fish and it does make for a wonderful tank if you are able to keep shrimp with them too.
Good luck!
This is the video I've been waiting for!!! Thank you for making this. Great advice! I'm planning my new tank as I'm waiting for it to cycle, and my dream stocking is RCS, 3 Pygmy Corys, 12 cardinal tetra and a Gwarf Gourami. Thanks to your video I'll be establishing my shrimp before adding tank mates. Fingers crossed it turns out as successful as yours.
Oh I hope so Jonny. I don't see you having any problems with the Cories or the Tetra.
Gourami are a bit like their Betta cohsins in that they can be a bit hit and miss with shrimp but if you follow the steps in the video like you say you will greatly improve the chances of it being fine.
It's not the only time I've done it; I also have a tank with Mollys, a Gold Gourami and RCS and that's fine too. I also have other community tanks where it is going fine including one with Neon Tetra, Five Banded Barb, Bristlenose and Apistogramma and again the shrimp are doing fine.
So best of luck with making your dream tank and I'm glad this video helped if so.
@@DanielKeepingFish how many gallons on those community tanks?
@@luisadea.5844 This tank is a Trigon 190 so 50 US gallons.
Love all your shrimp tanks. It would be interesting to watch you attempt to keep a caridina species.
Thank you very much.
To be honest I never set out to be much of a shrimp Keeper but after the Red Cherries and the Amanos fascinated me there came the Wood Shrimp. Then the Blue Velvets, then the Yellow Sakura and I may have to admit now I may be a little hooked.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Cars make an appearance at some point. 👍
I got a well planted 230ltr. It's only been running a couple of days. No fish yet. I was thinking of getting Shrimp. But every vid i've seen so far has put me off having them in a Community tank.You have just convinced me it can be done. Your logic seems sound to me. I will try some other fish besides the ones you mentioned. I have other tanks they can go in if it don't work out lol. Wicked video. Nice one.
Ah that's great Graham.
Obviously I'm not saying it works out every time or with every fish of course but if we follow as many of the principles in the video as possible it certainly can be done.
I have kept shrimp in several other aquariums with fish since this video.
Hope it works out for you and you get the result you want.
Mate, loving your content! Got love for my USA breddas, but its proper nice to have a down to earth british geezer dishing out some sound advise, keep it up boss 👍👍👍
Thanks very much man.
Aye there's a few of us dotted about but we are a bit thin on the ground right enough.
Thanks for the message. Dead encouraging to get feedback like that.
I use to to keep tropical fish and i do miss the hobby. But nowadays i spend to much time travelling abroad. Bristlenose and panda corys were my favorites.
That's a shame you need to travel so much.
You'll need to jump onto UA-cam and into fish stores on your travels to get your fix until you don't need to travel so much. Good excuse to visit lots of public aquariums too!
Ooo this is what i like to see. I was considering getting a dwarf gourami since my country does not have honeys available. Looks like your shrimp population still thrives despite havjng gourami around. Good to know!
This Video is a Inspiration for me.... Beautiful Fishtank.
Oh wow. Thank you. That is very kind to say.
Honestly it's all easy plants, patience and a few screw ups. Anyone can achieve this.
I think a wee bit of clay based substrate, just a bit under the soil really helped the root plants.
Thanks again for the lovely comment.
@@DanielKeepingFish youre welcome 😘
my shrimp are always riding on the back on my snails, fun to watch
I know right? It's like they know how funny it is too.
Beautiful tank! Just found this video. I have maybe 3 shrimp in a ten with threadfin rainbows. One shrimp molted, I think. I found what I thought was a dead body, but now know, maybe not. Really like the way you answered your comments; and the info. was thoughtful. Hope you are still at it. wife of JP
Jerome Perner (wife of) haha, I've been there. The panic I got when I found my first Wood shrimp moult!
Thank you ever so much for the kind comments. It's very much appreciated.
Yes I'm still at it and enjoying it all the time.
I like your set up it looks a well balanced fish tank and thanks for your good advice appriciated.
foppo leeuwerke no worries, just glad if you found it useful.
Thank you very much for the nice comments.
Seen well fed piranhas with neons in a tank , kudos mate!
Great video ! Ive kept shrimp for a number of years now, in shrimp only tank and community tank. The main rule of thumb is if a shrimp can fit into a mouth of a fish they will eat it. Example Guppies and not a good tank mate but a cory is perfect. The fact you have so much cover for the shrimp also is a big facter as the small shrimp will be in there for most of their baby life ! Again great video.
John Stone thank you very much for the feedback.
Aye there is the mouth size rule but there are exceptions. Gouramis, Angel Fish and Betta don't necessarily have large mouths but are all aggressive enough to take out shrimp. However you can see these have been fine with these Gourami. They rarely even paid them any attention but I realise that won't be the case with every Gourami.
I've also kept them with Endlers (sucesful), Guppies (successful), male Betta (twice successful, once not) and in a Betta sorority. The girls did seem to go to town on the shrimp but last night I saw a few moving about with confidence after I thought they had all perished. I will keep the Betta well fed and see how it goes.
I've also managed to keep them with Pea Puffers (As well as Amano shrimp). The adults were all fine but I didn't see many shrimplets. Of the cherries I mean there wouldn't have been any baby Amano shrimp of course.
Thanks again for the comments and adding your perspective. It's so good to here about other people's experiences with this.
Beautiful tank . Great video
Thank you ever so much.
Awesome. I just placed blue shrimp in my community guppy tank that consists of Sterbai cories and a few plecos. Unfortunately my shrimp are gone. You are super lucky and a beautiful tank.
Ahh... sorry about that Robin. I've managed to keep them with all of those fish without noticeable casualties.
Some folk report great success with this, some quite the opposite. Think there are lots of factors to making it successful not the least of which being the personalities of the individual fish. All we can do is follow as many points in the video as possible and let nature decide.
My cherry shrimp and neons are best friends - but to heck with them, bruvva, I just adore listening to you talk. Luv me some Cockney accent 💐
Eileen Corah hahahaha..., thanks. Perhaps I should jack work and start my own line of audio books.
I adore listenning him talk too haha. I'm reading the comments while playing (and repeating) the video just for the audio 😆
Go on with the audio books idea haha
hi thanks Daniel i found yr video interesting im keeping cherrys and dwaft corys ive just started there is a betta which has no interest in them at all an happly live together i feed my betta twice daily but i do 1 fasting day i do water change once a week and all is great i like yr vids keep them coming thx
@debbieanne316 thank you for the kind words. When it comes to Betta with shrimp I've found it's a bit of a gamble I'mafraid. I have kept them together many times over the years and I'd say it's about 70/30. Most of the time it had been fine but sometimes they go to town on the shrimp either immediately or in due course. I find males do better with shrimp than females but it is largely down to the personality of the individual fish.
I realise that's perhaps not the answer you may have been hoping for but I hope it's some help.
Hi there in with a boy betta soon moving him into a much bigger tank will leave shrimps in separate tank.😊
1.48 looks like an imperial ranger pleco , one of the smallest plecos you can get, there great for community tanks. Love them !
I had a Leopard Frog Pleco once that I really really liked but I never saw it. I ended up selling it on after much searching to find it.
@@DanielKeepingFish get yourself a hillstream loach pleco there beautiful
@@mostbrutalvideos4612 yeah I've had then in the past. Like good current and high oxygen. Great wee fish. Always active too.
I will need to give them another go one of these days you're right.
Beautiful community tank!
Thank you very very much Danielle.
Well I jumped into the Red Cherry Shrimp "business"! Your video gave me the final push to give it a go. I got 5 Fire Reds. Very nice dark red shrimplets. I only see one out and about exploring and foraging. Four are always hiding out in the Mopani wood cave. Nice and dark in there. The fish don't pay them any mind at all. Also saw my 2nd Ghost Shrimp baby today. Very, very tiny. Maybe 3mm. Yeah still little. Anyway, thanks and happy shrimping!
Ah that's great man.
You'll probably see them out and about a wee bit more once they settle in a feel more comfortable.
Glad you're happy so far anyway and congratulations on the baby ghost shrimp.
Good video, cool tank. My 2 gallon nano just finished cycling, loads of microscopic life and biofilm built up, and I’m going to add shrimp next week. My plan is to get them to breed once before adding a honey gourami, and lo an behold, here’s your tank with a bigger gourami than I’m planning to get and the shrimp are still thriving. I’m thinking a predator will be good for the system, help keep the worm population in check, take out any hydra etc if they pop up.
Thanks very much Nick.
Sounds like a plan. Don't get me wrong it won't be successful every single time but by following as many steps in the video as possible we can definitely improve our chances. Hope it goes great for you bud and you end up with a thriving Gorami/shrimp tank combo. 👍
I am trying this now for the first time in my 90 gal. Thank you for the video...............subbed
Bosco Hemi thank you.
I try to be clear to say it may not work with every aquarium set up and in every set of circumstances but as you can tell from this video it went well here.
I also have other tanks where cherry (and Amano) shrimp have been fine with different fish.
Good luck, hope it goes well and you end up with the aquarium you are planning.
Wow. Amazing tank! I'm just getting into keeping fish and this is the most inspiring thing I've seen. Probably too advanced for us but i love how much depth there is. Also agree with others that you have a voice for radio
Nooooo quite the opposite. Not too advanced for anyone. It's low tech; no CO2, stock lights (almost; I left one white and changed one out for pink to bring out the reds and greens) that came with the tank, easy plants and basic substrate you can get from any store.
I used thin layer of a clay based substrate (Pets at Home) under the gravel to help the root plants and gave it time is all. I think it was eight months in when I took this video.
The plants are basically Dwarf Sag (grassy one in the foreground), Java Moss, Java Fern and Crypts; all easy.
There is also Red Tiger Lotus and Crinum Calamistratum. They may be a step up but not a huge leap. It's just knowing how to plant them right then you're good.
Honestly this is not a hard scape to achieve but I certainly appreciate the comments.
Sorry about the voice. I do lack a wee bit of charisma I know and I need to talk low because generally I record when everyone is in bed. Hopefully the tank stuff makes up for it.
I have taken the plunge, and Red Cherry Shrimp are in my heavily planted community tank, with 3 Clown loaches................and very happy, doing well. Video to come. Thankyou for the inspiration :)
colinbarsby no worries Colin, that's great! Hope you have a fantastic time enjoying it.
I'd maybe keep an eye on the clown loach. They are notorious carnivores and one of the fish folk typically employ to eradicate pest snails because they are adept snail hunters. Also they get very big. It takes years but they can grow to over a foot eventually so as they grow I imagine they'd think nothing of chowing down on your shrimp.
They are great wee fish though with tonnes of personality. You'll often find them getting up to antics including playing dead that can give you quite a fright at first.
Keep them well fed and they might be fine with you're shrimp while they're still small though. They'll appreciate a range of foods including meaty ones like frozen or live blood worms.
Have fun with it but please keep an eye on them just in case they do start showing your shrimp a bit too much interest.
Thanks for updating me. It's great to hear that the video has inspired others to have a go at it and even better to hear how they're getting on with it.
It's interesting Daniel. I've had fish for 35 years, managed a fish import business, had my own aquarium store, and now just enjoy my tanks as a hobby again. My natural thought was that my Clowns would hunt the shrimp down. But my tank is HEAVILY planted. They are coexisting just fine, and the shrimp are super quick to flick to safety if any fish gets too close. Fascinating to watch. :)
colinbarsby oh that is a relief. A relief that it is going well but also that you know your stuff anyway so you know what you're doing with your loach then.
I'll be honest I wrote out that reply several times. I wanted to let you know my concerns about the loach but really really didn't want to be a wet blanket on your excitement about it so tried to put my points as carefully as I could but I can stop worrying about that now, phew.
And I'm delighted you are finding a new (renewed maybe) passion for fish keeping. I suppose it evolves like most other things so a veteran like yourself is able to find fresh ways to enjoy it.
It's funny being a "veteran" (Professional) Fishkeeper, and sharing on UA-cam. I'm learning all about video production now. So plenty to keep busy with :)
colinbarsby that's it Colin. I got into this quite by accident but then I was like; hey, this is another way of enjoying my hobby and spending more time with it plus I may be able to help someone out with a wee tip or experience or two that I found it tricky to find myself.
This is a great looking tank - thanks for sharing it - hope it's still doing as well a few years on! I was just wondering how the red cherry shrimp react to water changes/ how you do these as when I had them in the past, I don't think they liked the changes (zooming around the tank for example) and I wondered if I was doing something wrong? I would probably change about 20% and add water conditioner obviously. Thanks!
Thanks very much that's very kind of you. Unfortunately I don't have this tank any longer. It was a corner tank in my living room which no longer fit when we had renovations. Fortunately I have other tanks to play with but I do miss this one.
I'd say a 20% change is normally fine for shrimp, not enough to have them upset enough to zoom around the tank unless there was a difference in temperature. If cooler or hotter water was added quick enough it may have stressed them. I would generally suggest adding water as slowly as possible to shrimp tanks. Other than that perhaps just the extra activity spooked them. Hope they are doing well.
mannn that’s a beautiful tank
Thanks very much.
Beautiful tank! I just bought some cherry shrimp and they are going to be in with guppies. I'm pretty sure the guppies will pick off the baby shrimp but I don't plan on breeding them anyway. The tank is heavily planted though and does have pearl moss and driftwood and rocks for hiding. I plan on feeding twice a day frozen and live foods. Let's hope this works out!
The shrimp may surprise you and breed more efficiently than you expect. I have a few tanks with different fish and red cherries and the shrimp are doing fine. Heavily planted the way you have it will definately help.
Great clip I like this guy doesn't claim to no everything n encourages people t experiment with there tanks
HATR CarnagE I don't think you can know everything in fish keeping. Reckon you learn stuff every day especially if you like tinkering and experimenting. Plus what works for one person might not work or work differently for someone else with their fish, plants or equipment.
Thanks for your comment, encouraging to know you enjoyed it.
Happy fish keeping.
Your tank looks good.
Thanks very much William.
Just added today 6 Yellow King Kong Shrimp, 6 Cherry Shrimp & 6 Blue Velvet Shrimp, in a community tank similar to yours, so far so good lol
Good to hear man! Good luck with it. Hopefully your shrimp colonies continue to go from strength to strength.
@@DanielKeepingFish so far so good!
@lukeborg9523 glad to hear it. Enjoy man!
I’ve found that most community fish won’t eat shrimp unless and until they see other fish doing so. I had a community tank with a variety of fish and none of them touched the shrimp. But then I added some more rummy nosed tetras to the ones I had already and as soon as I introduced them, they went for the shrimp. Pretty soon, all the fish were at it and they almost wiped out the shrimp colony.
Of course, some fish will go after shrimp no matter what, but a lot of fish learn from each other what’s edible and what’s not.
My colony of shrimp has recovered and the fish in the tank are not eating them. Now, when I buy new fish, I only choose ones that are sharing a tank with shrimp (like Chinese river shrimp) and not eating them.
Love your video, Just had couple of shrimps Got cover for them fingers crossed they be OK, Hope guppies OK with them worried my two catfish mite eat them will see. I had community fish first.
Thank you. Hope it works out. Shall keep my fingers crossed for them.
Another very informative vid, nice one Dan. One love.
Thanks Simon. Glad you found it interesting bud.
Brilliant! How do you go about water changes?
Love your tank and love your video. I'd really like some cherry shrimps but I bought a couple of dwarf puffers to control a snail explosion so alas I doubt I'll be able to have them in this tank. Might get around to setting up a dedicated nano shrimp tank one day.
TreCoolResident oddly I've just started collecting some footage for a couple of videos about different methods of snail control. None as exciting as Dwarf Puffers right enough.
Wow they're so cool, bet you're excited. I've never kept them but I hope to one day.
A nano tank sounds good. Shrimp are really interesting but you could also get a population of snails growing in there as well for feeding your Puffers when the snails run out in the Puffer tank.
Thank you for the comment and the compliment.
Excellent video.
Thank you very much Marjorie.
Dang, never heard of a Dawrf Gourami (or any Gourami) being fine with Cherry Shrimp, that's cool dude.
Yeah it worked out well with this one. I've also kept a Gold Gourami with Cherry Shrimp no problem.
That tank looks really well mate👍🏼
Liam McBeth thanks very much. Took a good long while to get it like that so glad it was worth it. Thank you for mentioning.
I like your setup in the tank.
Addie Mørkøre Costello thank you very much.
What a beautiful set up,its not like you've just put a couple of fish in there,I was thinking of a few small catfish in mine,I think the key thing is you've allowed the shrimp to establish so within reason,any fry that are eaten won't have a detrimental effect on shrimp population.😊✌👍👌
Graham Smith oh I think you're right, that's definately a factor but I reckon all the points in the video helped to make it successful. I only started with 24 cherries and let them establish before I started adding the fish and you can see how many the population grew to.
I've kept them in other tanks since then with:
Guppies, Endlers, Gold Whitecloud Mountain Minnow, Molleys (different tanks) - successful.
Male Betta - twice successful, once not.
Better sorority - bit of a mixed bag.
I've also kept Cherries and Amano with Pea Puffers - adults were fine but I didn't see many cherry shrimplets.
I can see why this video has so many reviews - it is great! Lots of fantastic advice and WOW your shrimps are definitely proof that what you are doing is working really well! Found you via Team Green Alliance - so nice to meet you! :)
Oh hey.
Aye it's a great page they've put together and I love the whole vibe of helping one another out they're creating there.
Yes the shrimp did great in this tank, it was a triumph I have to say. Unfortunately I had to shut the tank down when I had renovations in my house so I sold it which I regret every day. Every single day.
Still lots of other tanks to enjoy and experiment with.
Thanks for the comment and nice to meet you also.
Thank you for video I have been wanting to do shrimp I’m tank.
Hey no worries.
Like I said it won't work in every scenario with every fish, they all have their own personalities same as we do but hopefully some tips there to help you make it successful.
Hello very sorry for being so late, will balloon molly's and neon tetras go well with shrimp? I'm planning on getting a lot of plants
As long as you follow as many steps in the video I'd say they'd be okay.
When you think about it Baloon Mollies aren't the quicker and have upturned mouths so not the greatest shrimp hunters. The Noens will probably pick off baby shrimp if they get the chance but give them plenty of hiding places etc and your colony should do well.
Looking very amazing red cherry shrimp aquarium 😍
Ravi Aquarium thanks bud. It's so rewarding when it comes together.
Nice work glad it's popping off for you. Hope mine it planted enough.
Railway City Tanks St. Thomas thank you. Good luck if you're going for it. Might rewarding when it comes off.
This is amazing. Thanks for sharing. Exactly how i imagined a community fish tank would look. I am researching for my trigon 190 at the moment and had planned to add shrimp first in the hope of achieving this exact thing.
I read in another comment you wrote "I started with a couple of dozen and ended up with hundred". Could you go into a little more detail please. Like how long were they in the tank before you the added fish?
Did you purchase them in bulk?
Its e4.50 here for a shrimp so that would cost a lot.
PS My partner doesn't get the shrimp fascination. I have always loved the idea of an ant formicarium and feel like this brings a taste of that to the aquarium.
I think it was six to eight weeks till I started adding the Fish but I added them slowly. It was some time ago now but if I remember rightly it was Ottos first which are completely shrimp safe then built up slowly.
Obviously the slower you go the more settled and established the shrimp will be and the plants for that matter.
I started with twelve shrimp then added a further twelve from another source but that is all, nature did the rest.
If you work on the assumption a sexually mature female can have about thirty eggs at a time and can produce eggs about every thirty days you can see the numbers can soon increase depending on how many sexually mature females you begin with. Of course that is assuming every egg becomes a shrimplet and every shrimplet makes it to adulthood.
Does that make sense? Hit me back if I missed anything.
Perfect sense. The main thing is patience.
Its great to see this video because the google machine makes it sound like this is not possible. I have the tank on a fishless cycle at the moment. Plants in a bucket waiting to go in. I will be back in a few months with an update. I might even post a video.
Thanks,
Fishamble
@@Fishamble yeah that was my driving force for making the video. None of the information I came across at the time supported it was possible so I wanted to put it out there to encourage others.
Thanks for your comments and good luck with yours. Let me know if you post a video about it I'd love to see and wouldn't want to miss it.
awesome tank!
Gun_Klub thanks very much. I enjoyed tinkering and working on it as much as the finished article.
Your tank is beautiful! Could I inquire as to what substrate you are using and how you perform maintenance on your tank? I'm setting up a 55 gallon freshwater tank and using pea gravel as my substrate. Will this be a successful for planting ? Thank you.
That it just a mix of several grades of gravel from Pets at Home bud. There is a thin layer of clay based substrate underneath for the root plants.
When gravel vacuuming this tank I would push the vac quite deep into the gravel (but never all the way to the clay) and raise it slowly. That would pull up the waste and also encourage the smaller gravel to raise up and sit on top of the larger stuff.
I never gravel vac where there are plants growing and only vac half the rest of the gravel each time I did maintenance.
Generally did a 20% water change on this tank each week which would include the water removed while gravel vacing.
Some of the plants I used for this tank did not require planting such as the moss and Java Fern. They would be attached to scape.
Pea gravel should be fine for planting but I'd help heavy root feeders along with the clay based substrate underneath the gravel that I mentioned or root tabs.
Hope that helps.
Daniel Keeping Fish Thank you for the great info.👍🏼
You are right about the guppies and tetras not eating them, but while my comet goldfish don't eat them, the shrimp are all constantly scared of them.
They must sense the danger. Comets can get really big; 4-8 inches in a good sized aquarium, 12 in a pond. They'll have no problem sucking up the wee shrimp as the get bigger.
Glad it's working out for you so far. Thanks for letting us know it's working out for you too.
Daniel, it is a great video. It's amazing what you have done. Thank you! Also, I think what differentiates you from others is that you show more of aquarium than your face, which makes a much better video. I have a few questions that I would like to ask. I had aquarium all my life since I was a kid, in Russia. I live in US now and have a 20-gallon with a 9-year old African Featherfin Catfish in it, about 9 inches long (alone in there). My 11-year old son and my 9-year old son both want their own aquariums with smaller fish. My 11-year old came across your video because he really wanted to get Cherry Shrimp. He would LOVE to replicate what you have in there. We will probably start with a 20- 30-gallon tank. So, a few questions, if you don't mind:1. How big is this community tank?2. What filter do you use? Sponge or power, etc.? What brand and size? I have never used sponge filters before but I heard that's what you need to use for shrimp/smaller fish/babies, which makes sense.3. What gravel/sand you have in there? What is the brand/type? 4. You mentioned tankmates, but due to accent :), it's hard to make up some, can you please list them? Thank you!5. It would be really nice if you could do a video for cherry shrimp beginners on how to set up a brand new tank (not cycling, etc.), but just what gravel medium, filter, plants would be best (you covered dwarf sage). 6. Why do you have large rocks standing vertically in aquarium?7. What fresh veggies do you give to your fish? Do you have a video of feeding "human food" to fish/shrimp? I love the way you did it, on a skew. In general, it would really really help if you could list key things you discussed in your video in the notes to your video. Specifically:Gallon sizeTankmatesGravel typeFilter typePlantsThanks again! Great video!
Oksana W I can answer those questions for you no problem. I may do it in several replies to make it a bit easier though.
Okay so this tank was a Jeuwel Trigon 190 but 20/30 G is plenty for a shrimp tank and some community fish. Obviously the bigger you go the more fish you can add but no every fish is shrimp safe. I was surprised the Dwarf Gourami was fine it was. As I mentioned though each fish has it's own personality and it may not always be the case.
I've had cherries with lots of community fish in different tanks though mostly successful. I've also kept them with male Betta (twice successful, once was not) a Betta sorority (Not successful though others have claimed success) and even Pea Puffers (adults were fine but didn't see many shrimplets).
I think it's a case of doing everything possible to make it successful, establishing the shrimp first and keeping a very close eye when adding the fish.
Cherry Shrimp are primarily algae grazers so should be added to an established tank for them to be most successful then the fish later once the shrimp are doing well.
Filtration is more difficult to answer. A lot depends on the size of the tank and personal preference. On the Trigon I went through various stages (including sponge only). They were pretty big sponge filters when I did that and they worked great.
The only draw back with sponges is they don't actually remove waste like other filters do so you need to adjust your maintenance accordingly.
My preferred choice at the moment is a combination of a hang on back filter plus a sponge filter. As well as filtration these also create sufficient surface agitation to allow gas exchange so there is no need for an additional air bubbler. The HOB (will depend on your tank size and set up) also creates flow and therefore water movement in the tank.
I personally have no issue with using canister filters or HOBs for shrimp. The important thing is that you add a pre-filter sponge to the intake so your shrimp are not sucked up. The sponge you use needs to be porous enough so it does not reduce flow though otherwise you risk stressing your filter.
There are a lot of good brands of canisters I have used over time. The choice will depend as I say on the size of tank.
Also I always customise my HOB or canister filters to optimise their performance.
The substrate I used in this tank (and most of my tanks) was firstly a thin layer of clay based substrate from one of the big box stores (for the plants) covered with gravel.
In that tank I used several grades of gravel; the typical to the very fine. I like gravel opposed to sand because the plants find it easy to get their roots through it.
Where root plants grow I don't vac the gravel, just collect any debris from the plants. Where there are no plants I push the vac into the top layer and remove it slowly. This ends up with the finer gravel on top of the bigger stuff and any waste removed.
I also like to keep Malaysian Trumpet Snails in my tanks. They burrow through the gravel keeping it aerated and consuming food waste and decaying plant matter.
For tankmates I have already mentioned some of the riskier options but I this tank (as well as the Gouramis) I kept Gold Whitecloud Mountain Minnow, Harlequin Rasbora, Neon Tetra, various Ran Cichlids, Siamese Algae Eaters, Bristlenose Plecs, Ottos and Cories. All of those SHOULD be okay with Cherries although not necessarily all at the same time.
I've also kept Amano and Woodshrimp with them, Ramshorn, Rabbit and Assassin snails (at vaeious stages) and had Cherries in Endler and Guppy tanks.
Think that's most of the Tankmates I've had although I may have forgotten one or two. You'll surely be able to find a nice combination from that list but of course research any fish you are thinking about. Each has different needs like preferring to be in groups for example or varying feeding needs.
As for decoration shrimp are not too fussy. They love Cholla wood, I'm about to do a video about that. Otherwise anything for them to climb and graze on and stuff to give them cover when they melt is great.
I'd say plants are a must for shrimp and they really appreciate Java Moss.
Honestly I can't remember why I had the standing stones. I'm forever changing things up and trying new things. Might have been somewhere for fish to hide, a surface to grow plants up or just decoration. Possibly all three, I really can't remember.
Very nice video! May I ask if you use any other fertilizer beside root tabs?
I started this tank with a layer of Tropica's clay and sphagnum substrate under the gravel. I do that with most of my tanks where I'll be using root feeder plants.
If I keep plants that feed out of the water column I also use liquid ferts. I like Seachem Flourish and TNC complete.
I don't use CO2 at all.
I hope that helps to answer your question.
I'd love a tank like that. Do you remember vaguely in what order you added the tank mates? Did the small schooling fish come first? Can't believe you don't have the world's fattest gourami! 😂
Infinity2zRO I know right? I don't know if I just got lucky but it worked well. I can't even say the male Gourami had a placid temperament as I had to remove the female eventually because he kept attacking her.
I do remember the order roughly: 1. Set up with plants. 2. Cherry Shrimp. 3. Gold Whitecloud Mountain Minnow (7). 3. Three young Bristlenose. 4. Neon Tetra (13 originally). 5. Harlequin Rasbora (I had six in another aquarium till I learned the hard way they are jumpers the moved the remaining three into this tank). 6. Gourami.
I can't honestly remember at what stage I added the Wood Shrimp or the Assasin snails and the Siamese Algae Eaters came much later when I had a BBA outbreak.
The Cories (Three albino) were last in. I hadn't intended on them but I couldn't walk past them in the lfs one day.
Hope that helps. Good luck if you are going to attempt it.
I thinking about getting into the shrimp hobby
Do it Crystal. Once you try them you don't look back. 👍
Thank you for this video. I have a heavily planted tank and thinking of the same thing. I do have Amano shrimp in there but never see them. I thought they were gone but when I was up in the middle of the night, last week I spotted one. I think having hiding spots is the secret.
Robert Fletcher yes I think hiding opportunities are essential for any vulnerable species we keep.
Interestingly enough I have a Pea Puffer tank that is not quite as heavily planted as I'd like. It has a couple of Amano shrimp and quite a few Cherries. I feared the Peas would have attacked them but the don t seem to and the shrimp navigate the tank with confidence. That said I don't see any shrimplets so I assume the Peas are eating the babies. I'm hoping as the plants fill out a bit that may change.
I really like your tank. Planted community tanks are my favorite. Nice to see an example of a thriving neocaridina shrimp colony in a community tank. I'm currently experimenting with neos in a community tank. Except I'm trying it in a tank that's already heavily stocked with community fish. I recently added about a half dozen juvenile neocaridinas. I wasn't sure if I'd ever see them again after I released them. About three weeks later I finally saw one. Now I've seen as many as three that have grown to adulthood. Now the question is will any breed successfully? The tank is heavily planted with lots of bushy java moss, so maybe.
Oh I hope so Jeff. Hopefully there are a few more hiding out and they will start to breed for you.
Aye I don't understand how you wouldn't be captivated by them. They are so pretty and interesting. Helpful too if you are able to establish a group in a planted tank.
Good luck. Hope you'll update me soon with baby news.
I'd like to give Bosemani Rainbow fish a try. In the process of building a 65 Gallon, and I'm thinking I'll start off with a dozen cherry shrimp, and add other fish as the shrimp colony grows.
Sounds good. They might stay out of each other's way; the Rainbows at the top and the shrimp down below but I would think an adult Bosemani wouldn't think twice about snacking on a shrimp. Might have more luck with Precox but even then there are some fish that will just never go well with shrimp of course.
Hope it goes well though, never know till you try it. I'd recommend giving the shrimp a goof few months to develop a nice healthy population before adding the Rainbows.
Keeping those shrimp alive Daniel 🍒🍒❤❤💪💪😀😀👍👍
Wow! Awesome tank! I love the natural look. Subbed to your channel.
Fishy Wishes thank you very much for the compliment.
Aye I'm all about the natural look. I've tried other themes but the natural stuff just sneaks back in. I guess you like what you like eh?
Daniel Keeping Fish most of my tanks I go for natural look as well these days. I still have a few decorations that aren't natural. I've been trying to add live plants but some of my fish just don't appreciate them. Lol.
Fishy Wishes aye I just saw your Amazon Sword that got beat up. The fish often have their own ideas I suppose.
That's why I can't do big Cichlids and so on. I'm a planted guy and they like to rearrange too much.
Daniel Keeping Fish yeah my fish don't like change. Lol. I'm a fish and plant guy that's trying to combine the two. Like you said though, the big cichlids have their own ideas.
What a fantastic result. Thanks for the inspiration. Subbed. :)
No worries bud, glad you found it interesting and thank you for the comment.
This is a very interesting hobby indeed, and learning how to live together is a lesson worth trying to learn :)
Well said Colin.
We live in Hope, this is a crazy world indeed. Aquariums keep us sane. :)
I have my cherry shrimp in a tank with ember tetras and corydoras and the adult do well but some losses in the newborn population
Is it an albino corydora and it dosnt eat the shrimp?
Nice video and great job👍👍👍thanks for share
You have given me hope!!!
Recently just set up a 200l tank and I wish I had started with shrimp then the fish like you had!
I did have 3 cherrys in there and it wasn't the fish that ate them it was the filter!! (found 2 out of 3 in there) I've since bought some stainless steel mesh that I'm going to place over the filter. The only thing I'm worried about is I've recently bought a set of dwarf chiclids and can see the male loving shrimp! When I moved my endlers over form my nano tank (so I could breed shrimp on there own) one of the smaller enders was sacked up by the male straight away!!
Once my shrimp have beefed up abit I'll try again....
Also I have an assain snail and never a problem with shrimp....only my bumble snails which are small and slow....had to separate.
Also placing the accent? East ldn?
Steven Norris haha, South London with a few Scottishisms thrown in.
I knew you were going to say your filter when I got half way through that sentence. Aye stainless steel mesh may well work if it's fine enough, good idea. Lots of shrimp keepers use pre-filter sponges for that purpose.
I'm assuming were not talking Rams or Apistos here when you say about Dwarf Cichlids if they are swallowing your Endlers, something a wee bit bigger than that? Sorry to read about your Endler casualty too by the way.
I guess if they can manage to gobble up Endlers then your shrimp will probably be at risk as well to be honest. If you need them up a bit as you say though and try to build up a big enough colony you may be okay even with loosing the odd one every now and then.
Good luck with it, hope it works out for you. It's so rewarding when it does.
i have 2 orange snails, 6 neon tetras and 2 female cherry shrimp in my 10 gallon. works well. i had a third male cherry but the neons gang banged him, ate everything but his outer shell. always a risk! but only 1 death and ive had this tank set up for 6 months.
Oh no, sorry to here that. Maybe there was a reason for it though like perhaps he was weakened in some way and they could sense it for example.
Beautiful set up.x please may i ask if you have had any experience with yoyo loach and shrimp at all? I have 4 in a 200 litre and would live to incorporate Red Cherry shrimp....but as my yoyo's are like Zebedee on speed...im concerned they would be too much stress on shrimp or perhaps they would get on swimmingly.x please can i have your thoughts? Thank you very muchxx
Ah hey Claire. Yeah unfortunately I don't think that would make a good mix at all. Yoyos are expert hunters and get quite big and boisterous. Aside from stressing the Cherry Shrimp out they would almost certainly gobble them up in no time too.
Sorry if that's not what you were hoping for but would rather save you heartache later on.
@@DanielKeepingFish Thank you and thats pretty much what i thought, as i doubt even hiding holes and a well planted area would deter the 'Likely Lads' from hunting them down! Thank you again for the advice and ill stick to watching shrimp videos instead for the time being. Thank you, Clairex
@@clairecurtis6639 haha, Likely Lads. 😂
No worries Claire. Either that or set up a wee shrimp tank... They don't need a large aquarium just for themselves. 😉
Great info.... Helped me loads...thanks
Keith Cheeseman oh your welcome bud. Thank you for the encouragement.
I’m about to add Rili shrimp into my heavily planted aquarium but also have rummy nosed tetras. Will they be safe? I have 3D printed a shrimp cave, covered it in moss and hid it in the most dense part of the aquarium away from the filter inlet. I’m buying 20 as I’m sure some will become a snack.
I wouldn't want to guarantee they will be safe. What I can say is I have a tank with Rummienose and Cherry Shrimp which seems to be fine.
Every fish has it's own personality though so all you can do is follow as many steps in the video as possible for the best chance of it being successful which it sounds like you are doing.
Also I might suggest adding ten shrimp first and watch closely then add the additional ten once you are confident it is working out. Just to save you loosing all twenty if it doesn't go well.
Hope that helps. Hope it works out for you too and you enjoy your new shrimp.
It's amazing that the gourami(s) in the tank are not affecting the numbers of the shrimp.
_Paws_ I know right? Just goes to show you don't know till you try.
Great video. they all look so happy together. like how they all nibble at the same food together without fighting. I intend to start a tank with 6-8 CR, 6 white cloud,/zebra danios/ 3 Nerite snail and one or two Hillstream Loach Not sure what else to include. any thoughts let me know? Tanks size thinking 120 Litres. Oh and yes planning a cold water tank
Whiteclouds are one of my favorite fish. I have 100 gold ones in a 6ft tank with Cherry Shrimp other tankmates. I've been wanting to add Hillstreams for ages but haven't been able to get any here.
I think it sounds like a great tank.
Danios can sometimes be a bit boisterous so may need to watch them with the shrimp. If they become an issue could always keep gold and regular Whiteclouds for the two different colours.
I'm not the biggest fan of Nerite myself. Purley because you can't sex them and the females lay little white eggs all over the tank which can't hatch in fresh water and are a pain to get rid of but that's just me.
Like I said I really like the tank you're designing here. I'd say lots of plants, let the shrimp settle in for a real good while first if you're able and remember the loaches enjoy a good bit of current and high oxygen levels and plenty of rocks to graze on, another reason for letting your tank mature before adding the fish.
Have fun with it, it sounds great.
@@DanielKeepingFish What size tank did you use? What were the other fish you had with them? Saw a big round fish and wondered what it was? looking at tanks and prices saw a 105L, 150L + cabinet and 220L +cabinet. Also on another channel i heard from one poster who said his white clouds ate most of his Cherry shrimp -possibly he didn't add shrimp first and /or the WC were very hungry. I think perhaps your right about adding juvenile fish. Thanks again for replying and making a great video.
Ah, thanks for the nice feedback.
The tank in the video is a Juwel Trigon 190. It's a corner tank. It was heated to 24C and I had Neon Tetra, SAE, Bristlenose, Ottos, Bamboo Shrimp and Assassin Snails in with the Cherry Shrimp. I think you mean Dwarf Gourami being the round fish, the blue and red ones yes?
I've done it with other tanks; keeping Cherry Shrimp with other fish including Gold Gourami, Mollies, Five Banded Barb, Apistogramma Mcmasteri Gold.
I'm not saying it is full proof and works every time, perhaps that guy was right that Whiteclouds did eat his shrimp but I've been successful with it a few times and I know others that have done it successfully too like Aqua Mate, an Australian fish UA-camr. What I'm saying is if we follow as many steps in the video as possible then there is a greater chance of it being fine. Letting the shrimp build up a healthy population before adding the fish definately helps.
Take wise I would always advise going with as big as your budget and space allows. The larger the tank the more it is able to cope with issues like temperature and water condition changes. Plus we generally end up wanting to upgrade as some stage so starting big helps if that's an option.
Hope that all helps.
@@DanielKeepingFish Based on what you've told me and a bit more research. i think i should use a tropical aquarium for my fish choices as mine and your fish prefer a temperate water tank. I heard Hill stream Loaches will live shorter life span with cold water.
that are a lot of shrimps!! subscribed
I am interested about that lovely grass you have on the bottom. 🙂👍
That's dwarf Sagittaria bud. Very undemanding plant. High light keeps it short and low light will force it to reach up.
It propogates by sending out runners and once it gets going does really well.
It shouldn't be too hard to find either.
I have a 20 gallon long, medium - high planted, 8 neon tetras, 7 black tetras, several baby guppies and around 30-40 neo cardina shrimp. I introduced a young dwarf gourami and yeah, it didn't eat my shrimp, but it would chase all the other fish. It's a bully. So I moved the dwarf gourami to my angelfish tank and put a honey gourami in my shrimp tank and everyone is much happier now... Except now he's bullying my angels.
Hi
You have an amazing setup. Can you please share your tips as to how you clean your tank. I never had shrimps before n I am planning to have a setup like yours you are my inspiration :)
Mazhar oh wow, what a lovely compliment, thank you.
To be honest once it established and matured there wasn't too much to the maintence; gravel vac (only open areas, not where root plants are) and water change once a week plus scraping the front glass (not the back) with an old bank card whilst doing the water change and good filter maintenance when required, that's all.
Every now and then I would have to trim the moss and remove some of the dwarf sag when it got too tall (higher light keeps it short, lower light makes it reach up) or thick.
A team of Ottocinclus Catfish and a couple of Siamese Algea Eaters (not False SAE or Flying Fox, there are different) kept the leaves of the bigger plants nice and clean.
When I put the tank together I added a layer of clay based substrate under the gravel for the plants to feed off.
Also this tank used two T5 lights. I had one white the right spectrum for plant growth and one pink bulb to bring out the green and red colours in the fish, shrimp and plants.
The shrimp seem to colour up better on the darker substrate.
I hope that helps. If I can answer anything else please feel free to ask and thanks again for the lovely comments.
Daniel Keeping Fish thank you for sharing the details. I am planning to set up an aquarium next month. Once done I'll share the pic with u. May be you could share yr opinion. However I have one concern. How do u clean the sand. Do u partially clean it or remove it completely . Since we have shrimps here and they eat that moss algae. Do u let them be?. When I clean my tank I completely scrub the moss once in 2 months. I don't clean the filter at that moment I do it the next month.
A suggestion if you could share yr shrimp tank cleaning video it would be awesome.
Thank you once again for responding and sharing yr thoughts.
Mazhar aye I could have a go at that bud. I'll try to get a video put together tonight for you.
Daniel Keeping Fish omg thank you very much. You can take your time in doing that :).
Thank you once again. Happy shrimping.
Mazhar sorry bud I ended up going out to dinner last night. I took some footage today and I'll get that video out to you in the next day or two.
What kind of plecostomus is that at the beginning? Enjoyed the video very much! What a great looking tank! I've got a few glass shrimp and they are real characters. But I want to get into these guys soon. They add something special to a tank imho.
Thanks very much.
Yeah they add a nice splash of colour. They're really cool and they're pretty adaptable.
It's a young Bristlenose Pleco, too young yet to get the bristles.
@@DanielKeepingFish Thanks, the BNP are great!
@@jjxtwo1 yeah I like them. Like the different styles of bristles they get.
Tend to find they're better algae grazers when they're younger.
@@DanielKeepingFish I do believe that you are correct about that. I have seen other pleco varieties behave like that as well.
I have 7 or 8 including albinos and dwarves, all are great algae eaters but so are shrimps :)
Awesome looking pleco.
Something Fishy Juno thanks very much. There are three in there and it was actually my friend that bred them so I'll pass on the compliment.
Beautiful tank!
Alejandro Sánchez thank you bud.
fantastic video have been looking for this info for so long just like you heard nothing other then shrimp and fish don,t mix,i have an already established heavily plated aquarium but all the fish are juveniles and have grown together hmm may try and introduce shrimp on this basis i guess if there are enough hiding places,they should be okay!see what happens!
Henry Coombe thanks very much. Yes that's why I decided to put it out there, I found it really difficult to find anything to support the theory that it would work so I thought it might help others to see that it can.
As I said it won't work in every scenario but here's living proof that it can be done.
Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful and good luck with yours. Hope it turns out as successful as it did here.
Very helpful video, thank you.
Richard Portelli as long as it was useful, that's the main thing.
I have a very heavily planted Community tank running CO2 densely planted and a good bit of rock for them to hide in I see that you have a dwarf Gourami male as do I I just want to make sure that these guys will have a chance if I add them
I think some of it depends on the personality of the fish. Gourami are cousins of Betta and are similar in many ways. I find Betta and Gourami personalities to vary between relaxed and tolerant of tank mates like snail and shrimp and murderous towards anything you add to the tank.
My advice would be to follow as many steps that I explained as you can then try it. I wouldn't go straight for adding a dozen cherries though. I'd maybe try two or three and see how they get on before spending more on many shrimp that may or may not end up as lunch. You could even try basic fresh water shrimp first which are cheaper.
Hope it works out as well for you as it has me.
i'm doing a community tank as well i have one blue shrimp and a bunch of ghost shrimp and im want to add more nd i'm wondering what species would be good...GREAT VIDEO
Matt Calhoun thanks very much.
The problem is I have heard of Ghost shrimp attacking other shrimp although I'll be quick to say I've not seen it myself.
If you want to try it and if it's a planted tank I'd say you can't ignore the Red Cherries like I have here. They are one of the Neocaridina davidi species. The red really pops against the plants and substrate. They are more adaptable than most Caridina and accept wider parameters if acclimated properly. I always use the drip method.
Plus they are not quite as expensive as some of the other shrimp varieties so the cheaper option to try in case the Ghosts do go after them.
That would be my suggestion I think.
Alternatively a bigger shrimp you may consider is Wood shrimp. They are very interesting too. I have a video about those as well, I'll post the link as a reply to this comment.
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just watched them thanks. I do think the ghost shrimp will be alright as it is a 55 gallon tank and rather big and they have lots of food. My tank is almost a month old so i am considering adding some more bottom feeder shrimp like the cherries or blue velvets. Although i have a large filter and i fear that will suck up and babies lol
I have been feeling tempted to set up a shrimp tank with a few other fishes like green neon tetras, some amber tetras, these chili fish, and maybe these other spoted fish can't think of the name of them, maybe a couple cory cats, maybe a few cooliy loaches, a fresh water goby, some snails, and maybe even a couple pom pom crabs, but i thought this would be too overcrowded as they say one inch of fish for every gallon of water and i see your take is way over the one one inch fish for every gallon of water, because it looks like you have about 500 shrimp in there. you much clean the siphon the bottom of the tank often? or is there another way you go about having all them fish and keeping the waste not too bad?
Well done mate, great community tank but how do you do your tank maintenance with all the ground cover?
John Richardson thank you very much. I've actually sold the tank now to a friend of mine as I made changes in my house and the corner tank just didn't work any more. I can still answer your question though.
And the answer is I didn't. I would do my water changes but I never gravel vac where plants are growing because the roots are using the waste that gets down there. I would vac over the top of the plants but not down into the substrate. Any open areas I would gravel vac of course and when the Dwarf Sag got too tall I would pull out clumps of it and just let it regrow straight over which didn't take long.
I kinda regret selling it, it was the perfect planted tank, I didn't even need to dose ferts like I do in other tanks. Just the clay based substrate under the gravel and the fish waste kept it topped up. No CO2 or anything as they were all relatively undemanding plants.
@@DanielKeepingFish Sorry Daniel, I didn't realise you had answered my question, thank you. I'm about to have anogher crack at Red cherry shrimp in my 84ltr tall tank. After watching all the vids I xan find I still dont know what I did wrong. I would consider your tank to be the best I've seen and to me it was perfection. It is exactly what I would strive for. I am going to start with an empty cycled tank as I am transferring my 4 nano tetra out to my 200ltr long community tank. My cycled 84 ltr tall will have a temp of 22°c and zero for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Ph 7.6 with two nubious live plants, rock arch, almond leaf, spong filter etc. I am thinking of getting 10 Reds and seeing how things go, any tips or advise greatly appreciated. I bet your missing your tank, I did when I gave away my 4ft 300ltr tank as I moved house.
@@johnrichardson4583 oh wow. Such nice comments and high praise indeed. Thank you very much.
Yes I do miss it. I mean I have other tanks but this one certainly was a triumph.
So yes I have some suggestions.
Firstly they are primarily biofilm grazers so best practice is to add them to a mature tank. Not just cycled but as balanced as possible too with plenty of biofilm and micro-organisms present. So in your case I'd be tempted to leave the fish in there for a couple of weeks and then move them out when you add the shrimp if that is the plan.
I'd acclimate them super slow using the drip method and if it is shrimp only in there for a while I'd watch for over feeding. It isn't ideal for their intestines.
Once they are in I'd leave them alone as much as possible and let them settle in till they are really comfortable.
If it wouldn't mess with your plan too much I'd have some moss in the tank somewhere such as Java Moss. Shrimp really appreciate it.
See if you can give them some calcium in their diet as well. I've been experimenting with Kale after a tip from a friend but they haven't been too interested so far. You can always wedge a wee bit of cuttel bone (like for budgies) somewhere. Some folk grind up egg she'll and add it periodically somewhere hidden away.
Keep an eye on your water conditions and have fun! Good luck with it and sorry to hear you too had to let a tank you loved go. I suppose it happens to most of us if we've been in the hobby long enough.
Hi, just came across your video.
Very good it is too. Plenty of stuff for us amateurs to get ideas from, so thank you.
I have a couple of questions however, would you purchase shrimp from online and how many would you buy to go into a 30 Litre tank?
Thank you in advance and I look forward to seeing more videos from you in the future.
Kind regards,
Trevorfoggia hi. Thanks for the comments. I would still consider myself an amature even after 15 years off and on in the hobby. There are new things to learn every day which is one of the great things about it for me. I just try things and if they work I share them.
I'm sorry but I have never ordered shrimp or fish online. I'm not against it, I just haven't done it to have a perspective. I'm sure there are some very good online stores. If I were going to use one I would research the site, read the customer reviews, etc before purchasing.
To stock your tank I would start slow with a few, no more than 6 or 8. They can be expensive so you want to know they will be fine and thrive in your aquarium before you invest in more. If they do well you can add more later. One of my pleasures with them has been breeding them. I would leave stocking room for this to happen, it can be fascinating but you can have quite a few shrimp in you 30l. For one thing they don't have much of a bioload to put stress on your filter.
Hope that helps.
Mischievous D Hi, thank you for get back to me. I appreciate it. I'm going to give it a go for sure, I just need to make a bit of space and get myself another tank. I'll let you know in the future how I get on - and may sound out an sos call to you if I get in the proverbial.
Take care. And thank you again.
Hahaha.. send an SOS any time. If I can help I will.
I hope you understood what I was saying, you CAN get a nice wee community of shrimp going in your tank and they will be fine. I'm just saying take it slow so you know everything is going well before you run out and waste any money if some of the shrimp die before you fine tune your conditions.
One of the reasons I try to buy more local to me is because the shrimp will have been raised in the same water as mine so less chance of them struggling to adjust. I found a breeder very local to me through a fish group of local fish keepers on Facebook. Bet there will be one in your area where you can make contacts.
I'm also a member of a world wide group that is VERY good. There's a lot to appreciate about it but one of the things is the members are really good at helping out and giving advice when folk need it. Stop by for ideas and assistance if you need to, they'd be glad for you to join in. Here's the link:
facebook.com/groups/1453728328262805/
Good luck with your project, you'll have so much fun with it.
Mischievous D would you ever mix the breed of shrimp?
Personally no. It tends to be frowned upon in the community especially if you intend to share your shrimp with others as it will dilute the strains. It's actually a huge and interesting subject.
Here is a thread from a website I like about it.
www.plantedtank.net/forums/88-shrimp-other-invertebrates/113558-what-do-cross-bred-shrimps-look-like.html#/topics/113558?page=1
I thought you were post to put them into a community tank, My tank had small cichlids and the shrimp were still prolific, now I learned that they aren’t post to live with them but I did it on accident, well it still worked and they fine
Zakary Loreto haha, score! Glad it worked out intentionally or not.
Hi, i have a comunity aguarium of 200L , i put adult cherry shrimps and its all good the fishes dont attack them! My consurn is about the babys shrimps and the filter is not a sponge one. What do u recomend??
Thanks.
It kind of depends on your preference and tank setup. I'm very fond of hang on back filters but many tanks with hoods (in you have one) don't allow for them to be placed easily.
It also depends on your tank size. Most canister filters are suited to bigger tanks.
If you go to my product reviews play list you'll find a range of filters that I have covered. With canisters and HOBs the important thing is to use a pre-filter sponge on the intake pipes so your shrimp don't get sucked into the filter.
There again on most occasions if they do get sucked up it's often a case of just tipping them out again. That is easier with some filters more than others, canisters being most difficult.
If you let me know what kind of tank it is I may be able to suggest a couple of filters for you to look at, it's quite difficult to recommend without knowing specifics like size, if it has a hood or not, etc. 👍
You have to be careful which fish you add because they learn from each other. My cherries never got eaten until I added a Bolivian Ram, who likes to hunt the shrimp. The other fish saw it and now they all will eat them if they can catch them, even the rasboras who used to ignore them completely.
Now they only really come out at night.
I made a mistake when I bought my first shrimp. I put em in a tank with gold barbs (and they had some serious aggression problems) and no plant cover, and bye bye went my shrimp, I didnt see him again after the first day I put him in there. I've removed the gold barbs, currently I have 2 platies and 1 dwarf gourami. I know that the gourami might be a problem but I have a feeling he won't go after them, he doesn't pay any attention to my other tank inhabitants at all actually, he's obsessed with his own reflection more than anything else. I'm thinking if I had some plant cover and get a few shrimp instead of just the one they'll all have better chances this time around.
Sarah Gibson I think most barbs can be a bit untrustworthy is that respect. Folk say cherry barbs less so but I've never kept them to be able to confirm that.
Sorry to hear about your shrimp. I had to giggle about your Gourami being self-obsessed though. I've had a couple like that, I know exactly what you mean.
I definately feel heavily planted is the way to go and I can't recommend moss enough for shrimp particularly Java Moss.
Good luck with your next attempt.
Originally I had planned to get cherry barbs actually, but they were far too tiny at the time to put in an aquarium with the other fish so I opted for the gold barbs instead (obvious mistake haha). Thanks for the advice, it's likely my LFS will have java moss next time I go (as I understand it is fairly common?). Thank you for taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it.
Sarah Gibson no worries at all.
Yes they definately love the moss. Not so much for protection although it does offer some when it starts to grow out but they certainly love grazing on it.
I've found with moss it does best when you don't mess around with it too much. Just place it where you want it then leave it to do it's thing. With Java Moss trimming it encourages to spread out and don't pack it too tight else it turns brown in the middle and rots.
Really hope things improve for you and your plans start working out.
What size tank is this? Love the dwarf sag (if that's what it is).
That's a Trigon 190 so 190 liters. Great corner tanks that look bigger than they are when looking into them.
Yes that's Dwarf Sag, good eye. Nice plant for making an easy carpet with if you can keep it short.
I have a 10 gallon tank with 9 neon tetras and 4 rc shrimps, with one shrimp ready to drop. Will the shrp try survive? Heavily planted. And will the tank become overcrowded?
I think the Neons may pick off the baby shrimp when they get a chance but in a nice heavily planted tank with plenty of hiding place some should make it through fine.
I think it will be a good while before your rank is over crowded. RC are pretty small and don't have much of a bio load. You can have many more shrimp before it starts looking like an issue.
@@DanielKeepingFish thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it
@@indraneelmenon no worries. Enjoy your tank.
great video, question here: what are your water parameters (gh, ph) ?
So this is quite an old video. I don't have this tank a y more. I had to shut this one down for some renovations in the house and felt like it would never be the same again so I sold it to a friend of mine.
What I can tell you is the water out of my tap is very, very soft. Hardly anything in it at all and I never buffered the water. Any hardness at all would only have come from the shells from dead snails dissolving slowly in the water so not much at all.
Hi, mate. Have you kept your shrimp with harlequin rasbora, or black phantom tetra? I heard copper is bad for shrimp (1) so what fertilizer do you you use..Or recommend ? I have Seachem products and an all in one fert LCA (Liverpool Creek Aquarium) it also has copper in it.Borh brands say they're safe for shrimp. Since im new to keeping shrimp I'm a bit worried. (2) What do you feed your shrimp? I know they eat algae (organisms that live on algae) and bio film. Some even eat bba
I have kept shrimp with Harlequin Rasbora. They tend to use the upper levels of the aquarium and didn't bother the shrimp from what I noticed. I haven't kept them with Phantom Tetra.
If you intend to try it try to cover as many points in the video as you can and start with just a couple of shrimp if you already have the fish to see how they get on.
Most fertilisers only have small traces of copper, if they say they are shrimp safe they generally are. I use or have used TNC complete, Seachem Florish and Tropica plant growth formula. All have been fine in my tanks with shrimp in them.
So shrimp are scavengers mainly. Generally if keeping them with fish I don't specifically feed them. They'll mop up whatever the fish miss and graze on algae (most don't eat BBA, Amano shrimp are reported to eat it) and micro organisms. They will appreciate treats though of course. There are shrimp specific foods. They'll also appreciate algae wafers, graze on vegetables like courgette, make a bee line for most Rapashi foods and calcium in their diet really helps to keep them well. A sneaky way of achieving that is grinding up some egg shell or wedging cuttlefish (the type you buy for birds) in a wee hidden crack somewhere.
Hope that helps.
Allow me to comment on your substrate. It looks great! Gravel + sand isn’t as messy as I had imagined...it certainly looks natural. I feel like I can go ahead and purchase black sand Flourite to add on top. :) FloraMax substrate mentioned it isn’t ideal for shrimps since it might raise pH. ): Perhaps you could recommend another species? Thank you
Stefanie Sarros thank you very much for the compliment, very nice of you to say.
That isn't actually black sand in there it's the finest black gravel I could find and it is indeed very small.
What I did there was a layer of clay based substrate for the plants at the bottom then a layer of normal sized black gravel over it. Next a layer of medium sized gravel with some white gravel sprinkled across the top. Finally the tiny gravel but only in places I didn't want the plants to grow because it would be easier for the roots to work through the bigger bits and a waste of the tiny gravel effect where the carpet was going to grow over it anyway.
How I got the mixed look was by using my gravel vac but only as deep as the medium sized gravel. The smaller stuff is lifted more so of course so mostly settles on top with some of the medium sized pieces and some of the white pieces you see. Does that all make sense?
So you see you can still get that effect without using Floramax or whatever, provide nutrients for your plants another way and have the shrimp that you want.
I'm sorry if that was a bit long winded and confusing. I did confuse myself and have to write that out several times!
What are the tiny pebbles in your substrate? you seem to have a mixture. Also do you have soul under the pebbles for your plants? I am new to this
@@paulpawlowski6662 no problem. It's just different grades of rounded gravel from Pets at Home with a few pieces of larger white gravel through it.
Each time I did a gravel vac I would push a wee way into the gravel and as I lifted it would blend the gravels together creating a nice effect.
I used some clay based substrate under the gravel for the root plants and never push down as far as that when vacing.
Each of the grades of gravel are smaller than the typical size sold in stores by the way. You can see some slightly bigger and more irregular shaped white pieces here and there. They are the regular size.
I think the fact that the other gravel was smaller and rounder is part of what made it work well.
In fact the banner at the top of my channel was a photo taken in the same tank but is zoomed in so you can see it clearer.
@@paulpawlowski6662 some people do dirtied tanks which is generally an inch thick layer of dirt but then they cap it with an inch of gravel. If you think about it if soil were exposed it could keep leeching into the water making you tank dirty and playing havoc with your water parameters especially if the fish stir it up.
The clay based substrate I referred to is literally a couple of millimetres at the bottom under the gravel and no more. The fish waste adds to it over time as your tank matures.
There are several brands of specialised Aquasoil available but I can't tell you about those because I do not use them. For one reason some can mess with your pH for a while till it settles down.
I'm sorry I can't tell you more about Aquasoil but I hope I have been some help.
@@paulpawlowski6662 no problem at all.
i had cherry shrimp in my tank which co-exist peacefully with tetraglofish, rummynose tetra, silverfin tetra.. i think why it work because
1. A lot of hiding places which is i use lava rock as a hardscape.. Moss and hairgrass..
2. I never feed my fish with any kind of fresh food and worm.. I only feed them with flakes..
3. well feed fish.. if they are well fed there is no reason to look for extra..
Glad to hear you've had success too. Thanks for sharing your tips with us as well. 👍