@@kanemccarthy1979The new mental gymnastics from shanks fans are getting worse 😭 i just debated with someone who said "yes shanks is a Swordman but there's a difference between sword + haki and Haki + sword"
The question i have to shanks fans if Mihawk is only more "skilled" but Shanks is stronger, wtf is that so called "skill" going to mean to Zoro When he's Only more skilled than other swordman but overall Weaker even though he vowed to never lose again. Zoro views the title as your overall strength as a Swordman. Not some skills competition 😭 saying Mihawk as the Wss loses to another swordman completely contradicts what the title means to zoro unless you think shanks isn't a swordman
Why Roger haven't got it them bro? To get the title u don't need op haki and mid sword skills Like let's say a dude had trashs word skills but op haki they won't give him the title that's literally not why they made the title Mohawk has got a black blade and strongest sword dand huge sword knowledge so he deserved to make the title for him ( even Roger didn't had black blade Mihawks is a better swordman even than roger) So after Mohawk got the title shanks could get it by beting him such as any other swordman but shanks shown no interest on that
@@omarcraft7166 If a guy has strong haki and he's a swordman he'll literally be a strong Swordman 💀 how are you a weak Swordman with powerful Haki and how will they even come to the conclusion you're a weak Swordman even though you're Stronger than other swordman? What do you define as this "skill" ? How well they can swing their sword around with style?
@@omarcraft7166 Literally headcanon 🤣 oda said mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman in name and actuality. And if Shanks is secretly a Swordman stronger than Mihawk then that completely disrespects and contradicts Zoro's entire dream. In that case oda has been lying about mihawk being the strongest and Zoro has been chasing the wrong man this whole time.
I Think "This power knows no bound" he's referring to Yoru!! Cause we know swords have their own mind like Enma did. So like yoru is strongest sword so maybe Mihawk can suppress her power's but can't control her bloodlust 100%!!
It is stated that Shanks was once as powerful as the World Strongest Swordsman(Hawkeye) when he still had his dominant left arm but ever since he sacrificed his left arm for luffy, that very potential of him beating Hawkeye was forever been lost along with his left arm. This is the reason why Mihawk became bored and lonely because he lost his only rival both in Strength and Skill now he is hoping that one day a Swordsman will appear that has the strength to overpower his previous rival Shanks(this implies that Mihawk is looking for someone stronger than Shanks because the current Shanks is much weaker now compared to Mihawk). Dracule Mihawk the Hawkeye in One Piece Verse has a "Saitama Syndrome"; he is tremendously strong, bored, lonely and is looking for the day that someone will give him a challenge for him to fully unleash his suppressed Strength and Skills right now none can do that unless Zoro will reach that level, this why Oda is holding Mihawk's power for a reason and that is why we don't see Mihawk using any of his Hakis(Conqueror, Armament and Observation) yes you read it right he has conqueror haki obviously because Mihawk is a conqueror in the realm of swordsman as Oda stated "He is the world strongest swordsman both in title and actuality(reality), he sits at the very top as the most powerful among swordsmen. He trained relentlessly and challenged all powerful swordsman until none was left(the only swordsman who did come closed to Mihawk's Strength and Skills is Shanks sadly that is not the case anymore because of his arm). So stop saying that Mihawk has no feats because like I said Oda is holding him for the final saga, imagine if Mihawk's casual swing of sword and no named attacks can cleave mountains what would you think will happen if he ever gets serious and used haki+named attack? We might witness an island cleaving attack or worse he might cleave the space itself so One Piece fandom sit back and just enjoy Oda's narration because most of you Shanks fanboys out there kept coming up with some coping mechanism like "But..Shanks is not a Swordsman he is a Haki-Man, so he does not belong to those swordsman that is below Mihawk's title!" just so you can justify your logic that 'Favourite character >>>> Stronger character'. It is not Mihawk's lack of feats that is the problem, it's the One Piece fandom especially Shanks fanboys who has comprehension problems and I know some of you will agree and disagree with me but nonetheless I'll stay with my better understanding of Oda's narrations and statements that Mihawk is above Shanks when it comes to Strength and Skills as a swordsman both in haki and swordplay. Whatever feats Shanks shows just keeps upscaling Mihawk's title and power.
@@tristanapiado5325 here is the short version: Mihawk became the 'Sekai Saikyou no Kenshi', which translates to the World's Strongest Swordsman, by default because Shanks sacrificed his left dominant arm for Luffy. In the past, both swordsmen dueled many times for the title, as Shanks and Mihawk are the two strongest swordsmen in the world. However, the competition was halted when Shanks became crippled. While Shanks retains tremendous Haki, his swordsmanship suffered because of the loss of his left dominant arm, which handicaps him against Mihawk, who excels in both tremendous Haki and swordsmanship. Mihawk is a monstrous Haki user, potentially surpassing even Shanks. The testament to this is his permanently black supreme blade, Yoru. Achieving this feat defines the highest echelon of Haki power for a swordsman, something that Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh, Nusjuro, Garling, or any other current swordsman in their era failed to achieve.
I personally don't care until they got actual good feats like their one or two feats away from being fearless like like them fight somebody strong And that line get shanks meat out of their mouth was crazy lol 😆 , anyway great vid 👌
@@stickthelanding4785 exactly people just like wasting their time on this meaningless debate, mihawk is superior already as stated by oda cause shanks lost an arm he stopped being mihawk's equal. mihawk is the most skilled and strongest swordsmen and last time i checked shanks used a sword and haki is part of swordmenship so everything is in mihawk's favour. i have no clue why this rivalry carries on with the fandom lol they're friends mihawk doesn't wanna fight shanks plus they've drank and fought each other many times so it's all a respect thing with them. honestly seems funny why mihawk just didn't ally with the red haired pirates but i get it things would've been to unfair
Nah he said how irritating "haki users" it hit him but their haki wasnt strong enough. As you can tell by the SFX there's an impact unlike other future sight/logia evasion moments.@@Frosto_Boi
@@myst2761 then I guess for Logia users with haki, you can only harm them if you have stronger haki. I mean the only logia users we've seen get hit using buso haki either didn't have any haki, or didn't have advanced haki
I think there is no way to for sure determine who the winner would be. But I think relying on just a title, in a show where titles have been misleading quite often, over concrete feats and demonstrations of strength is just insane. I’m not saying for sure who would win but I don’t see how your money could not logically be on shanks just based off of what we’ve seen as opposed to what we’ve seen from Mihawk.
Because narrative 🤷 Mihawk is known to hold back and Only put in as much force as needed. He doesn't just hold some random title. He's literally Zoro's End goal and oda stated mihawk is factually the strongest Swordman in multiple sources. Off feats zoro would slam rocks but I bet you wouldn't ever compare rocks to Zoro because narratively and logically rocks low diffs zoro
Everything bit of info suggests the winner was Mihawk but that Shanks was getting close and that the last match before Luffy was a draw. In short, Shanks was Mihawks first Zoro
I don't think titles are misleading honestly, Whitebeard had old age and a debilitating disease and he himself also says "I can't be the strongest forever". And I don't think Kaido's title is so misleading, his feats are crazy. Also Kaido's title does involve more hearsay and less definitive statements as opposed to Whitebeard and Mihawk. Regardless if Whitebeard and Kaido's title are misleading or not, Mihawk has narrative on his side. Mihawk is clearly created as the final challenge for Zoro. If he isn't actually the strongest swordsman, I would really question why Oda would even put him in the story in the first place. Mihawk has also pledged to Zoro that he will 'hold the seat of the strongest' and wait for Zoro. As long as Shanks is considered a swordsman by Oda, putting your money on Mihawk is definitely the logical conclusion.
Wb's title is misleading because he was only almost unstoppable at mf Kaido's title is misleading because he only fought a couple of monsters and a god And mihawk's title is misleading because one guy made out of diamond blocked his attack (Sarcasm)
Mihawk didn't use a named attack. They just called it the World's Strongest Slash because it was a slash frooom....😑 We ALL know that was just a casual, low-effort attack.
Doesn't mean shit . Laido was titled the world's strongest creature as well. Doesn't mean characters like luffy and garp can't defeat him @@venusrhodes7475
More truth from SB Sage. The only time I disagreed with you is when you posted about Kizaru one shot proving Admirals are not comparable to Yonko. It’s still debatable because of the narrative around Admirals, the context of the one shot, and the context of Egghead storyline as a whole heading into the flashback and Gorosei hype meaning a top tier fight like Kizaru V Luffy can not take up another 50 or so chapters like we’re having another of the biggest fights in One Piece like Kaido V Luffy. Still I agree with most of what you say and it seems you remain mostly unbiased. I mean people who still say Shanks wins are just hoping Shanks will come by looking for head because narrative and feats show us that Mihawk wins Extreme Diff without a debate to be had.
Titles would have you believe that mihawk and whitebeard are both the strongest pirate. With whitebeards weapon being considered part of the category they uses for the term "swordsman" in Japanese. Speaking of the title It can be interpreted 2 ways "worlds strongest "swordsman". The strongest character that uses sword" or "the fighter with the best swordsmanship" You believe mihawk only cuts what he wants but conveniently and consistently has been cutting the ice aswell with his attack, as the breath of all things was demonstrated with a piece of paper (much less dense than ice) You should change your argument from the ice being mihawks target not whitebeard. How strong can we prove mihawk's current strength? 1st commander at best. Mihawk has no proof outside that tier because feats > titles/narrative.
Lmaoooo there is no such thing as 1st commander level they all vary drastically in strength and that’s like putting kaido or Luffy over shanks or Roger bc they have more feats what a shit argument
@sbthesage2100 and you think Shanks is over kaido and luffy because Shanks with his crew fought kaido who just had king. Or maybe you think that because he 1 shot a character that was going to be pulverized with conquest of the sea, which kaido up scales from with only a 2x multiplier at best unless you think big mom did most of the work with that attack, gear 4th is a 15x multiplier and amped by basic then afvanced CoC, and gear 5th is stated to upscale from that. Meaning kaido delt with someone multiple times stronger than the conquest of the sea. Feats are the evidence to arguments. Do you know what's worse than a shit argument? I could be your bum ass having NO argument. I don't have all the first commanders at the same level. But I know that all of them *range* from mid supernova to below Admiral if you need an articulation of what people mean when they say 1st commander level.
Oda literally said his self he puts narrative and story before feats any day💀 the feats say chopper > joyboy, rocks, imu. Do you actually believe that tho? 🤡
@@mightguy3118 narrative is subjective, feats are not. Therefore, you ought not use them as evidence. I could say "narratively." blackbeard will be the final villain, so he upscales. I could as equally argue narrative if I claim that Akainu will be the final villain, so he upscales. What I can't do is deny seeing a character be out right blitzed or overpowered. What I'm referring to is a harder standard of analysis. If we are to look at the *pondrence of evidence* we would be able to *infer* many things about the text. However, if we are to look at statements with the standard of *beyond a reasonable doubt* we are able to *prove* less things about that same text. There are even some standards of reading that forego the author all together if you still want to argue narrative. So no, your chopper anti-feat scaling meets neither standard. You're just a shit scaler.
@@edwardlewis4724 Yep narratively bb and Akainu will be endgame villians so oda will make them as strong as they need to be. One piece isn't dragon ball. Oda could make a character clash with a commander then next panel defeat a top tier. It's how he writes. Narrative > feats in one piece
Oda stated that Shanks USED to be as strong as mihawk then he stated that Mihawk is still looking for a worthy rival that is even stronger than shanks,also shanks is a sword fighter and mihawk is well known as not just the best but also strongest swordsman
@@schmel7930 could mihawk scratch them then? Absolutely not and it's nowhere been mentioned if he was holding back so yeah you shouldn't gawk on him too much and assume things . And also Shanks chased kizaru who could move at light's speed so let's not act like he couldn't have evaded that sea king attack. I'd say he intentionally let go of his arm for some reason oda's fs gonna let us know . Had that been Fraudhawk, he won't have even survived lmfaoo🤦🏻♂️
I got Mihawk winning against Shanks, narratively it just doesn't make sense to me if Shanks wins that fight. But, I kinda have a problem with HOW people think Mihawk beats Shanks. Here's my take. - Shanks is most definitely a swordsman. Let's get that out of the way. - Anyone who fights with their primary weapon as a sword and wants to challenge Mihawk, is going to lose. Because the path that him and Zoro have taken in this story just completely CLEARS anything that anyone else has done in terms of dedication to the blade and their skill with it. - Haki is a key component of swordsmanship, but it isn't the entire picture. If the practice of swordsmanship was entirely down to haki alone, then Mihawk has reached a level of haki that not even Roger was able to, and it would mean that the most optimal path for a pirate to take in this world is to strive to be the WSS. Everything we've seen Zoro do in this story doesn't really matter at all if he just needed stronger haki. He might as well have just fought Luffy's opponents. - Your skill/connection with the blade is important. The reason that Shanks can even give Mihawk, or any other Yonkou a challenge in the first place, is because he's got insane levels of haki. I don't think he cares about sword styles, breath of all things etc. I think he's good at swordplay, but he's not at Mihawk level of expertise. - To me, Divine Departure is completely on brand with what I expect pirates like Roger/Shanks to do. Roger swings his sword like a baseball bat for gods sake. Mihawk would probably be appalled by his form considering that the guy is really big on using a sword with grace. DD looks like a conqeurors + ryou internal destruction sword technnique to me, because none of the Divine Departure attacks we've seen have actually cut anything so far. Oden got blown away and Kidds railgun got destroyed from the inside. These guys just get their haki and full send it. Mihawk's got amazing levels of haki and also represents the pinnacle of proficiency with the blade. But I think Shanks is a less refined swordsman, but makes up for it with some of the strongest levels of conquerors haki allowing him an advantage against other fighters.
Shanks is a haki man not because he uses haki but because his haki is strongest Even oda stated that shanks conquerors is so strong that it prevents opponents future sight he have the best haki fetas in series Man with a sword > greatest swordsman
@@sbthesage2100 Stop meat riding that painter Shanks do have the best haki feats till now cope harder Better than kaido,better than big mom, better then the admirals Oh you have seen him paralysing greenbull from miles right? Mihwak fought shanks last time 12 years ago lol you think he have grown weaker since then? Shanks had the bounty of 1B at that time you can search for it now it's 4+B He has the strongest conquerors till now beta feats on page Whitebeard had the title of strongest man in the world it doesn't mean Roger was weaker then him 🗣️ Pirate king was the title he got way later
So the attack that mihawk used was only targeting wb yet cut the ice, or was he targeting both the ice and wb but not jozu? And after that he never even went to try to fight wb again despite that was his only reason to be there. Law cutting the whole mountain of punk hazard>mihawk cutting ice mountain since law’s a swordsman
I have been loving your one piece content, so keep up the good work!! You and anime balls deep are the best one piece power scalers. Shanks is insanely overrated, so I completely understand the sentiment of the video. I Also agree that luffy=shanks and mihawk=zoro narrative argument is bad, because Luffy is paralleling joyboy and shanks parallels roger(which might include him dying young like roger. I wonder how shanks fans will react to him losing to BB 😂🤣😂.) and zoro isn't exactly paralleling Mihawk or Rayleigh. In fact he might end being stronger than Roger, Because hes going to be the right hand of Joyboy. And Shounen has have this thing with the new generation being stronger than older generation. All that being said I do think shanks is stronger than mihawk for lore based reasons. The first reason is that Shanks has stronger Advanced Conquers Haki, thereby making him the stronger swordsman. 1. From the series we know Advanced Conquers Haki is important to swordsman. As Roger, Shanks, Oden and Zoro are confirmed to be Advanced Conquers haki users. I think Mihawk and Rayleigh definitely have the advanced Conquers Haki it just isn't confirmed yet. Another important aspect of swordsman is observation haki. And we know shanks has insane Observation haki, its honestly hard to imagine anyone having better Observation haki than him. 2. I think Mihawk and Rayleigh Prime are similar in strength. 3. In 1096 Rayleigh was confirmed to be at God Valley. And this presumably the only time Kaido met Roger and Rayleigh, so this interaction is what he is gauging their relative levels of Adv Conquers Haki 4. Roger and Shanks were both in Kaido's Top 5 Adv Conquers users and Rayleigh was not even though he met Kaido at God Valley. 5. Based on the previous points shanks would be stronger than Mihawk, Because shanks made into Kaido Top 5 and Rayleigh didn't. Plus given shanks made it into Kaido's Top 5 Relative to Roger who we know was stronger than Rayleigh. The second reason is that Titles in one piece are not always indicative of strength. (eg. Luffy getting Yonko Title on WCI and Buggy getting the Yonko Title) In Mihawks case I think he has the title of strongest swordsman, because he beat Rayleigh not because he's the best swordsman in the verse. I think its high diff In favor of Shanks Tell me what you think. Thanks for reading.
Lol 😂 no, he's one of the worst powerscallers there is on UA-cam. Using hyperboles to powerscale characters. His videos are very biased and you can see it from the way he responds to some comments 😂. The dude literally uses what he wants when it comes to feats and statements
@@GameMasta-ri6lu Your an idiot, he's WAY better than all of the admiraltard one piece youtuber's, who seem like they haven't read the story when they talk about scaling or character matchups. Case and point he correctly predicted the result of the Luffy vs Kizaru fight
Please , the narrative is the most important thing in One piece..Yes, power scaling works overall, but to use small scale clashes to justify strength is ridiculous, especially because there's a narrative behind the clash for a wanted result....Like Mihawk vs Vista..Mihawk was clearly holding back massively....Like Luffy vs Lucci...Why did they clash equally somewhat while Luffy was in gear 5? Things like that... Mihawk is not the true WSS, it's Gandhi, and it's pretty obvious why..Mihawk is not Zoro's final adversary because of Luffy.. The narrative is there to trump all the bullshit power scaling.. All of you think that Mihawk will wait for Luffy's dream to arrive at it's end, and then on a small island in the middle of nowhere Mihawk awaits Zoro's 3 errected swords...to give him the fight of his life.. Please, Mihawk will drop before, or in the middle of the final war... Do you think that Luffy will become PK after he beats Imu? He will beat BB, become PK, learn the true histroy, and after he learns that history he will challenge the WG, exactly like WB stated with his final words... Do you guys REALLY think that Pirate King Luffy will have on his right the nr 1 WSS title contender Zoro as he pulls up to the holy land?.. Zoro will put Mihawk down probably before the final war starts..before Luffy becomes PK.. Or you want to say that Luffy's dream that's harder is easier to achieve? Guess Mihawk was damn wrong about that.. Where was i? Oh yeah, WSS Zoro will pull up against Figgerland, or Fujitora...and then as his final opponent he will fight the 800y old demon elder Gandhi... I am telling you this..The chance Zoro's final adversary in the series is a clone of MIhawk or Ryuma is much higher than Mihawk himself. My point is..if Mihawk isn't the true WSS...his chances against Shanks aren't as " shouldn't be a debate" would make you think it is.
Evidence: *exists* This dude: Mihawk just wasn't going all out. Mihawk: Im not holding back this time. This dude: that doesn't REALLY mean he's not holding back. Mihawk: *exists* This dude: *on his knees, blowing him*
Is your brain gonna break when Mihawk does greater feats than he did in Marineford? 🤣 Brother Zoro has better feats than Mihawk in Marineford, is Zoro already stronger than his end goal? 🤣 Use some common sense for once lmao
I don't understand Shanks fans. I also like Shanks more but everything is speculation except for one thing we know as a fact..... Shanks and Mihawk were dead even rivals until Shanks lost his arm and Mihawk refused to fight him any further. It's just logic. Mihawk > 1 Armed Shanks
Shanks wins. titles are continuously proven to mean nothing in one piece starting from whitebeard being the world strongest man to Roger being king of the pirates, when Roger didn't even know such a thing existed. So if you throw away that source of information, "titles" and look at everything else, FEATS. Shanks win. In marine ford everyone was watching Mihawk when he stepped up. but when Shanks stepped up Marine Ford eneded. Not to mention Shanks 1 tapped Kidd, and Mihawk best ON SCREEN feat is him slicing that mountain in half which Law did in Punk Hazard... Shanks win.
Ah yes let's assume a title oda has directly backed up countless times in sources that's literally linked to Zoro's end goal is a lie💀 if you're saying Mihawks title doesn't mean shit then you're saying Zoro's dream is a fraud and oda has been lying. Nice agenda
@@mightguy3118 if you think Zoro gives a damn about what other people calls him you’re wrong. Zoro want to BE the strongest swordsman not for everyone to CALL him the world strongest swordsman.
You know what, this is my favorite MU for Junko Enoshima, not everything has to be about fighting or using others to fight her them, why not make this a much more unique Fight, a battle of Wits, or something like that, like instead of what we usually get, instead we can focus on "If Junko Is Smart Enough And Daring Enough To Solve Jigsaw Games", if she does, then it will go into a class trial and Jigsaw will be find guilty and executed, if not, then Junko will just die from the trap made by Jigsaw (Of course, it might be short and less action pack, but I really want a Battle to explore different ideas that doesn't always involve fighting)
All I am saying is that the manga goes out of its way to hype shank’s’ Conquerors haki more than anything else in his arsenal. Regardless of if mihawk is stronger which I think they are equal I believe shanks is the greatest coc user alive rn. I also think mihawk is the greatest armament user alive as well. With shank’s ability cancel future sight I think that causes the stalemate.
Everything suggests they were equal. Mihawk fought Shanks to the point Shanks became equal. And then Luffy happened. Hence the score. Mihawk did not get to fight someone stronger than him. He was robbed of it. Now they’ll never know. So he moved onto Zoro
You see this is actually not a bad take at all, unlike some other people 😂 Shanks definitely has more ways of using Conqueror's haki than others especially the observation killing. Mihawk due to his epithet of 'Hawk-Eyes' and his original epithet of 'Clairvoyant' definitely allude to a mastery of observation haki and I don't have doubt that Mihawk's armament is superior. Mihawk obviously is able to use conqueror's coating as well and he has that Black Blade. I wonder how Shanks' future sight killing works against other top tiers, since if it's based on conqueror's I don't know how well it works on people with similar willpower. I'm starting to see the possibility of them being equals more than Mihawk being definitively stronger 🤔
The fact that shanks is not luffys goal, ik everyone knows that but mihawk is also not zoros goal. Zoros goal is to become the strongest swordsmen and guess who it is not shanks a confirmed swordsman but mihawk. Its clear in every sense that mihawk is stronger. Or else the second most important character which is zoro is chasing the wrong guy.
Some people believe that Mihawk is not as powerful as shanks just because of what happened at marineford, while if you ask him if he whether or not a fraud he would say he isn’t and he is Yonko level If that is the case then why do you insist on referencing to marineford 😂 since you yourself believe he is yonko level then it means you internally know that he wasn’t going all-out. We have examples from the same event which are akainu and aokiji, from what we have seen in the marineford akainu looks way more stronger that aokiji but it turned out that they are relative and aokiji wasn’t using his full potential. So I believe that using marineford’s clashes is not a good way to interpret the true power of the characters
in my opinion it makes sense that shanks was the strongest swordsman before he lost his arm. mihawk wanted to surpass him but did so without beating him in battle. thats why mihawk calls it a betrayal
Mihawk is the strongest swordsman of today but Zoro wants to be the strongest swordsman ever meaning he has to surpass both Roger and Ryuma. This doesn't mean that he will be stronger than Luffy isnce Luffy needs to match or surpass Joyboy.
Honesty the whole deabte about sword skill vs sword power becomes dumb when you look at how Zoro fights. He doesn't exactly use skill in most of his fights and usually wins through raw power and haki. And his goal is Mihawk. So why would his goal be the most skilled swordsman and not the strongest swordsman even though he mostly relies on strength.
Bro is i don't who gave you your info but every attack mihawk did was a no named no effort basic attack. It took 25 years for shanks to do a named attack Im still waiting for mihawk to do the same All the attacks in marineford where BASIC And they anything but lackluster And if you ignore what a swordsman is you will never the insane shit mihawk did A targeted attack ("swordsman choose what they wish to cut") Getting redirected by someone who isn't the target is not a big deal Otherwise zoro cannot cut a leaf And he is a bum lvl swordsman Mr,1 stoped a basic slash from mihawk intended for luffy Then got one shot neg diffed by mihawk right after Mihawk Neg diffed 1 shot jinbei Mihawk played with vista while looking at luffy vista used a NAMED attack and mihawk saw through it and used a BASIC slash to instantly destroy it (Vista used his flower pedals move after mihawk requested to see his swordsmanship) Mihawk put in more work than any Lamdiral Who were SPAMMING NAMED attacks Did they one shot kill any wb commander with these NAMED ATTACKS? Did they kill a bunch of named ally of the wb pirates with these named attacks? The killed a few weaklings And Lakainu killed a marine who wanted to leave and somehow they are pirate king lvl????? The damage and output from the Ladmirals Named attacks didn't even do shit Mihawk with a BASIC swing cut a Mountain size tsunami, Lifted it and shattered it to pieces Please anyone tell me what 3 Ladmirals did?? After using a bunch of named attacks?? Wb was fighting 3 admirals 70% of the time and did they kill him?...No And they were using named attack😂 Mihawk the goat and literally used 1% of his capability and power at marineford He used 100% of that 1% Thats why he said he wont hold back when he went after luffy If mihawk used 5% of that 1% of his full power Then he was holding back astronomically But no he used 100% of the 1% of his full power and capability
Zoro’ end goal is to beat Mihawk, strongest swordsman. If Shanks is stronger than him, then it just dampens Zoro’s dream and I just don’t see Oda doing that.
Is there a video that scales their power cuz for the most part people Debate the title and the narrative of it and not the over all feats from what I’ve seen mihawk and shanks feats are far and few tbh I can kinda see shanks beating mihawk depending on the circumstances since even if mihawk is stronger there isn’t huge diff and it’s high to extreme diff
I’m gonna be debunk everything that shanks fans can keep on downplaying mihawk on these feats: Debunk No. 1:"MiHaWk Is ScArEd FrOm ShAnKs 🤓🤡” How tf mihawk is scared and he fought shanks so many times? If mihawk was LEGIT scared from shanks, mihawk could've just fought shanks once and that's it, mihawk will never fight shanks ever And for all people who say that mihawk was scared from shanks when shanks lost his arm, mihawk as the WSS doesn't wanna fight someone with 1 arm and he feels a little bit pity for himself to do such thing not that he's "ScArEd" like wtf? When shanks arrived at MF, a lot of shanks fans say that mihawk was scared when shanks arrived, mihawk ONLY agreed to fight the WB pirates only and he didn't expect to fight shanks/red hair pirates and once again, mihawk left because he doesn't wanna fight a man with 1 arm that's it It’s the perfect example of someone asking Andrew Tate if he wants to fight current Mike Tyson and Andrew said “no I can’t fight the current Mike Tyson because he is so old right now and it’s so a shame and disrespectful to fight a 50 yo man” Debunk No.2: "Mihawk can't cut diamond 🤓🤡" mihawk can cut diamond because as zoro’s sensei taught zoro of the pinnacle of the swordsmanship is to protect one who wishes to protect and to cut who wishes to cut and as we saw in the zoro vs daz bonez in the alabasta arc when zoro was rubbing his sword on the leaf, the leaf didn’t cut because zoro doesn’t want to cut the leaf but zoro wants to cut a rock and it worked zoro finally cuts the rock, that means mihawk was only focusing on cutting WB only and he didn’t expect Jozu to block the attack, if mihawk wants cut diamond then Jozu is dead and he will be cut Debunk No.3: "mihawk is a vista victim 🤓🤡” Sengoku did not want his fighters and his warlords to interfere or kill the WB pirates. Mihawk didn't even care about this little exchange either, like why do you shankstards expect from mihawk? Mihawk going on full strength and shows his 100% power to a swordsman who is 100 times weaker than him?????? Let's be real here, vista was only able to "evenly match" mihawk only because mihawk wasn't even trying and he already stated of how he won't go full strength over a swordsman who is a billion times weaker than him, just like of what he did to zoro in the baratie But all of you shankstards can do is just cope Debunk No. 4: "Mihawk is scared from the yonkos 🤓🤡" People who say that mihawk is scared from the yonkos don't even understand mihawk's character The main reason he joined the cross guild was so the marines wouldn't swarm and bother him, with that in mind, why would people expect a man who just wants to have some peace to go out and fight 3 of the strongest crews in the world? His goal isn't to become the pirate king like the shanks, luffy and BB so it makes sense why he doesn't care to fight them All he's been waiting for is a swordsman that can surpass his formal rival shanks and give him a good match, if his goal was simply to fight strong people he could've done that by now like there's kaido, the admirals I mean there's plenty of people looking for smoke, we gotta understand, not everybody is the mc, some characters have to have some kind of common sense But anyways mihawk wins extreme diff, cope harder shankstards
Both shanks and mihawk didnt say any named attack (note divine deprature is the original move of roger ) Plus any of us know that how mihawk got his title cuz before shanks lost his arm , mihawk title was marine hunter And shanks indeed said its time to claim one piece which means he will be luffy end goal
@@dantedmc1789Shanks losing his arm didn’t suddenly make him weaker than Shanks, it made it so that Shanks couldn’t make any more growth and no longer had the potential to surpass Mihawk. At the time they were evenly matched(though I’d lean towards Mihawk even against two armed Shanks), but when Shanks lost his arm, Mihawk no longer considered him to be capable of matching him so that makes it pretty clear Mihawk>Shanks.
Shanks using rogers named attack isn’t a reason for why shanks wouldn’t be a swordsman? Are you slow? There’s multiple other swordsman in this show who follow a certain swordsman code or learned technique from some part of the world by someone else. That doesn’t mean they are not a swordsman cause they didn’t make their own 💀 you shanks fans constantly fucking add new metrics and excuses to this debate it’s fucking pathetic, I can’t even keep up with how many different excuses y’all make. Grow up
Ik it wasn’t stated in the title but I was looking for an actual comparison, not the same dumbass argument that everyone uses to say that mihawk is stronger, I for one think they are equal in strength and think their parallel in the story is roger and Rayleigh since 1 in the right hand man of the pirate king who wields a sword and the other is the pirate king, just like we have in the story. But if I were to choose a side I would choose shanks because of the fact that the definition of a swordsman is “a person who fights with a sword, typically it being their strongest skill and weapon for attacking” and although it is his strongest weapon, his attacks do not revolve around his sword and although he needs his sword to do it he can also use a spoon, don’t see anyone calling him a spoon man do you? Anyways, sorry if this comes off as hostile but I would want an actual power scaling not the most popular opinion against shanks, to prove who is better. The fact of the matter, we don’t have enough evidence by either of these 2 to prove that. Edit: Just like to add that titles also are not to be taken totally seriously even if shanks was considered a swordsman, if we are talking about how well they can use a sword I would give it to mihawk, but mihawk would lose to roger, so saying he is the greatest swordsman of all time is also in accurate for that reason too, just like the title “worlds strongest creature” kaido is technically a human with a non-human species devil fruit, so that title is inaccurate too.
Typed all that bs just to say some dumb shit like 😂 mihawk and shanks is just Rayleigh and Roger 💀💀💀💀 when I literally showed a scan of oda saying they’re rivalry is akin to white beard and Roger
Shanks uses a sword for his strongest offensive attacks and no you can’t prove otherwise he is not a Haki man or a fucking spoon man he is a swordsman period cope about it
Yea I don't see people calling him a spoon man, but I don't see people looking at him and the first thing coming to mind is a swordsman like they would do to Mihawk because Shanks isn't a swordsman, you don't need a genre of fighter to be a fighter. idk man all I'm tryna say is I'm not believing it until you can prove to me with stats (which you usually can do). But I don't think there is enough evidence to prove that so I'm sticking to my thought.@@sbthesage2100
Imma be honest shanks has better feats than Mihawk currently so I’m leaning towards shanks slightly not saying Miwhawk isn’t poweful just that shanks has better showing of feats such as film red which even though the events aren’t canon it’s stated portrayal of characters strength is .
Wrong it’s stated mihawk surpasses shanks in sword play by a random marine. And even if you we’re right he’s also stated to be the strongest most powerful swordsman with the strongest sword cope harder you illiterate shanks glazer
@@sbthesage2100 so are you saying that white beard was still the strongest person in the verse at the time of his death? since he was the worlds strongest man? and technically white beard used a sword so does that mean that mihawk was stronger than white beard or and of the goro sae?
bro why are you comparing Mihawk to Roger? let me ask Is Shanks stronger than Roger? Mihawk is the current strongest swordsmen and shanks is a swordsmen. So definitely Mihawk is stronger. This is a fact that Every titled person had lived upto their title. Old whitebeard showed in the Marine ford why he got the title of Strongest Man in the world . Kaido showed in wano why he got the title of Strongest Creature in the world. Why are you doubting Mihawk will not live upto his title.
Your excuse as for why he never cut wb is bs there’s several instances he tried to slash other ppl (eg: luffy dodging and letting buggy or the ice take the hit ) also vista does in fact have anti feats when he tried slashing Akainu w haki your vid is just you being biased
How is Akinu warping around vistas slash 😭 an anti feat ? and even if I was to concede the breath of all things point wtf does it matter to the conclusion lol ? Cause last time I checked Jozu has no anti feats durability wise either
Kaido has literally never seen mihawk fight nor does he know how strong he is unlike the others in his top 5 garp isint there either btw and we know he’s stronger than almost anyone kaido has fought
i wonder why newgate shieki or roger was not given world strongest swordsman title even thou they were the strongest men and were briliant with thier swords .ryuma was the sword god shows that tittles for sword play is not a new thing ....we have seen shanks do things a swords man would not do .. what he did to green bull is wierd for a sword man to say the least... based on what we see from zoro a swords man infuse haki into the blade fullstop. use the blade as a midium to fight or release all attackes . similiar to sanji only fighting with his feet ... shanks as used haki out side of sword play he is not only a great sword master like hawk eye.. strongest sword man doesnt mean stronger than anyone with a sword withbeard as debunk that.. mihawk is supior to shanks at swords manship has he is to whitebeard and roger but he is not stronger ..unless you are saying roger and newgate cant use theres swords .. a next note law is also a swordsman futher proves my piont
Well whitebears and shiki uses devil fruits. For roger we dont actually know, but if we think like how is hakiman using a sword different from a swordsman like is there a special technique or slash we dont know that doesn't qualify as a swordsman so idk rlly
After Rat hair opened up his domain he asked. are you the strongest because I’m you? Or are you the one who left it all behind and his overwhelming intensity because with this treasure I summon? The painted swordsmen simply answered “nah I’d win”
why does that matter? Bro you're giving a bad name to both Naruto and bleach fans. Even with the aizen pfp (best villain in th big 3), no reason to debate shit like this.
@@thehdtv7552 what? bro what are you even talking about its not becuz i have aizen pfp naruto fan( most of the time) and bleach fan that its a bad representations of them lol and im debating about this cuz one piece fans are stupid they think have op characters when they havent
@@youssefibrahim5496 exactly it's obvious you haven't watched/read one piece and are just a Naruto fanboy who has to make Naruto always win to reason why Naruto is better than one piece. Like it's the same thing boruto fans do with Naruto, they try and say boruto characters are stronger so they're better. Besides you said kcm2 but then agreed that kcm1 would be enough which is blatantly wrong. The speed scaling is way off so Kcm1 Naruto loses. It's pathetic going onto a video about one piece just to try and validate your Naruto meat riding.
This video is one of the best breakdowns of this fight I’ve seen; so I think u will like this as well. Idc who gets the recognition; someone share this vid(ua-cam.com/video/1651AYCTkDo/v-deo.html )It explains Mihawk VS Shanks the best I’ve seen; scroll down & be open-minded enough to hear other people’s perspectives. It’s important to understand when this video was published; to get that he foresaw almost everything. I don’t agree with all; but most. I could even give my own input on things; but it will be too long. U can update each section to date yourself & realize that the vid still holds up greatly to date. Thnx
I got Roger rn, but it could change considering that the one thing Mihawk has that could (key word, “COULD”) trump Roger is his permanent black blade We don’t even know what abilities it has that any other sword like Roger or Shanks’ don’t have, it can’t just be hard asl since all the 12 Supreme Blades are already considered to be the peak of sword craftmanship
On god 😭 I seen UA-camrs make multiple videos on their channel on this same topic. Mihawk vs shanks is overall a fun debate and discussion. You could argue for hours about it
@@mightguy3118 which he would have died from and it was literally said to be only for a sec? Both big mom and Kaido goes on to show way better feats individually which that was literally casually done
@@princeofninese6431then he beat the allegations by stopping Akainu. Mihawk stalemated vista when him + Marco couldn’t stop Akainu but shanks did. And believe I do believe that shanks is overrated but he has more evidence of being stronger
@@rodneymcstah2973 I'm not talking about big mom and kaido's combined attack. Zoro blocked one of kaido's slash with one arm and was able to blizt and scar him pre king of hell and with 30 broken bones but I know you'd never try to say Zoro and kaido are relative 🤣 stop being biased
I think shakes would win because even though they’re on a relative level of strength, shanks right now, probably has the best control in mastery over haki and last time they fought was before Shanks lost his arm and he wasn’t at the time
1:07 instantly disproved when he cuts the iceberg, he intended to cut Luffy and he missed yet why did the iceberg get cut? If attack did no damage then why did Jozu use his DF? if it was never going to cut him? Maybe you just don't want to admit a YC3 can tank his attacks. 1:33 "If you read the raw scans" nigga not you nor I can read japanese you have no clue what that says without running it through Google Translate. 1:36 "saying his power knows no bounds" when literally the translation you cherry picked doesn't say that at all. "I will not be merciful" which literally means I won't hold back. On top of that he literally used the black blade which he only uses for challenges, otherwise he would've used his small dagger. 1:48 "Luffy being faster than Mihawk makes no sense" Argue with Oda, if Lihawk could actually hit him he would've, just like how Kaido can hit Luffy in Onigashima despite the fact he can see the future. Yet much weaker Luffy still speed blitzes that bum. "Zoro is still inferior to Mihawk" if anything there is no evidence that claims Zoro couldn't take his title after getting enma since even Kaido and Big Mom were scared of it. On top of that Lihawk can't even cut a YC3 or beat a YC4. when Zoro is easily YC1 he will shit on Lihawk. "Insanely inconsistent" you made the mistake of assuming Mihawk isn't a fraud, an amateur oversight. "It's pretty clear he wasn't going all out" why because he failed to damage him once or the fact that he got stalled after admitting "I won't hold back" 🤣🤣🤣 Even Kaido half asleep is one shotting a YC2 minimum yet bumhawk can't touch a YC4 😂😂 there's levels to this! "We don't see him use any Haki" you're taking the piss, we don't see Marco using any Haki or Jozu yet they touch logias. We also don't see Vista use any Haki vs his fight with Lihawk since otherwise his blades would've turned black. Another anti feat for Lihawk who can't beat a YC4 not using haki 😭😭 "No named attacks" Rayleigh, WB, Sengoku never used named attacks either does that mean they never tried?🤓 Where's the rule that states every character has to name their attacks 👉📖 ? 2:40 no way he gassing up vista to make bumhawk look good 💀💀 not one ounce of shame from these hawktards 2:44 "vista has 0 anti feats" 🧢🧢 literally got offscreened by BB pirates in revenge war. Current status unknown. Bro literally disappeared and Bumhawk is still ducking him crazy. 😮 3:01 "I agreed to fight WB" - never even touched him 💀💀 "Mihawk has no interest in the war" That's why he said "I won't be merciful" right? 😭 or how he spawn camps east blue fodder but suddenly doesn't want to fight anyone competent? 🫵🤡 3:23 "🤓🤓 he's not scared he just doesn't want to fight" 😭😭 Shanks is arguably top 1 or 2 itv rn and yet bumhawk doesn't want to fight him but will fight a rookie from the east blue KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY BITCH 🤣🤣why he only go after fodder tho? 🤔🤣 4:18 literally Kaku is there and he has 0 swordsmen attacks he literally only uses DF amp on 6 powers. Instantly disproving this fanart to be taken seriously. Also lil bro put a fujitora clip in when he's not even in the fanart for "swordsmen" also him and law exclusively use their DF to fight so they are not considered swordsmen in the sense that they are under the umbrella of people that bumhawk is supposedly above despite defeating a whopping ZERO notable swordsmen in the entire history of one piece. It should be noted that anyone in the story not interested in such a bum title should not automatically scale under Lihawk since Lihawk has done nothing to prove he is WSS he never even beat shanks and to this day no one cares about his title enough to challenge him, in fact the only 2 in the story who ever offered to fight him he ducked both of them 🤣🤣 He is not beating the fraud allegations. His title is simply a plot device for Zolo to have an excuse to fight him and for his character to exist it would be contriving if Luffy and Zoro both had Shanks as their end goal so he had to make a bum up for Zoro to fight. Bumhawk never beating Shanks even when he was much weaker (pre yonko) should make this obvious since otherwise oda would have just written shanks to lose but he didn't cause he knows bumhawk is a fraud and will never scale above the MC's end goal and mentor. 5:07 "he wants a quiet life so he's not a fraud" makes zero sense when he frequently goes after east blue bum pirates and him being afraid of the yonkos triples down on the fraud allegations even more than they already are. 5:20 "only confirms that they fought previously" bumhawk hasn't fought him since he lost his arm 12+ years ago which was before he was even a yonko there's no evidence that claims he scales to current shanks besides "Sword Skill" 🤣🤣 6:25 "Luffy's end goal is PK" it literally isn't if you read past Wano 🤣🤣🤣 he has a separate dream after being PK which oda has added in last minute like the milker and inconsistent trash author he is. Also Shanks is his end goal since when he meets him he will return the straw hat thereby signaling the disbanding of the SH pirates since it wouldn't make sense for them to continue sailing without the straw hat. And just like Roger disbanding his own pirate crew was his last action as captain so will Luffy also do the same. Maybe if you didn't watch op entirely through YT shorts and ps videos you wouldn't sound like such a bumbling moron all the time. Last but not least remove the black blade that's currently lodged in your rectal cavity and use your brain for once never cook again this was by far your worst video just trash take after trash take have some shame. 🫵🤡
Lol mihawk going all out in marineford makes no sense shanks literally 1 shotted wano kid (in seconds) -u really think mihawk, going all out, can't do the same to pretimeskip luffy? If you say yes, just shows low comprehension skills -if you say no then mihawk wasn't going all out in marineford......which makes alot of what u said.......useless
So a Swordman being stronger than the world's strongest swordsman which is something Zoro has been chasing since the beginning of the series is good narrative?
No it isn’t it would be worse making Zoro’s goal that we are seeing him train for and fight for over 1000 episodes meaningless. If you want Shanks to be stronger than argue with Oda because he’s the one who keeps hyping up Mihawk and even the marines were saying for Mihawk and Shanks to never be allowed to fight each other because they’ll cause some big storms to the surrounding islands which should show you that they are both in the Yonko strength tier but Mihawk is stronger due to his black blade and for story purposes that Oda wrote about.
I don't wanna explain anything but clearly Shanks absolutely slams Mihawk and as sb said (i am saying my version) However "SB the Sage" if u remove your Mihawk reading glasses and remove his d**k from your mouth u can clearly see why Shanks would be victorious.
"A Hakiman? You mean a fighter who relies on Haki, like everyone else in the New World?"
- Pain
"There is no such thing as a fucking hakiman. That is just a cope, by people with agendas."
@@kanemccarthy1979The new mental gymnastics from shanks fans are getting worse 😭 i just debated with someone who said "yes shanks is a Swordman but there's a difference between sword + haki and Haki + sword"
@@mightguy3118 LMAOOO
@@mightguy3118sounds legit to me
@@mightguy3118that’s a different kind of dickriding. Whoever that is never graduated high school
Man like me has a Mihawk agenda and I’ve invested all of my stocks into Goathawk so I say he claps
Bumhawk loses to vista also crocodile ext diffs him 🫵🤡
@@sabus1265this is like saying seaking can give a tough battle to shanks
@@sabus1265 sea king solo’d shanks 🤷♂️ shanks weaker than episodes 1 Luffy
@@Reesemike😂
@@sabus1265🥱crocofraud gets slammed no diff
The question i have to shanks fans if Mihawk is only more "skilled" but Shanks is stronger, wtf is that so called "skill" going to mean to Zoro When he's Only more skilled than other swordman but overall Weaker even though he vowed to never lose again. Zoro views the title as your overall strength as a Swordman. Not some skills competition 😭 saying Mihawk as the Wss loses to another swordman completely contradicts what the title means to zoro unless you think shanks isn't a swordman
Why Roger haven't got it them bro?
To get the title u don't need op haki and mid sword skills
Like let's say a dude had trashs word skills but op haki they won't give him the title that's literally not why they made the title
Mohawk has got a black blade and strongest sword dand huge sword knowledge so he deserved to make the title for him ( even Roger didn't had black blade Mihawks is a better swordman even than roger)
So after Mohawk got the title shanks could get it by beting him such as any other swordman but shanks shown no interest on that
@@omarcraft7166 We don't know who was the world's strongest swordsman in Rogers era nothing is confirmed 🤷
@@omarcraft7166 If a guy has strong haki and he's a swordman he'll literally be a strong Swordman 💀 how are you a weak Swordman with powerful Haki and how will they even come to the conclusion you're a weak Swordman even though you're Stronger than other swordman? What do you define as this "skill" ? How well they can swing their sword around with style?
@@omarcraft7166 Literally headcanon 🤣 oda said mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman in name and actuality. And if Shanks is secretly a Swordman stronger than Mihawk then that completely disrespects and contradicts Zoro's entire dream. In that case oda has been lying about mihawk being the strongest and Zoro has been chasing the wrong man this whole time.
@@omarcraft7166 you think after zoro beats mihawk that Mihawks gonna say "I'm not the true strongest swordsman shanks is you gotta go beat Shanks now"
I think the mihawk saying his power knows no bounds is probably a hint at what his power actually is.
I Think "This power knows no bound" he's referring to Yoru!! Cause we know swords have their own mind like Enma did. So like yoru is strongest sword so maybe Mihawk can suppress her power's but can't control her bloodlust 100%!!
hes a fraud let it go buddy
@@johnbelingworth9264seaking > shanks right??
@@johnbelingworth9264yeah Zoro's gonna be strongest swordman by defeating fraud and still be weak than other swordmans?
Wow makes sense
It is stated that Shanks was once as powerful as the World Strongest Swordsman(Hawkeye) when he still had his dominant left arm but ever since he sacrificed his left arm for luffy, that very potential of him beating Hawkeye was forever been lost along with his left arm. This is the reason why Mihawk became bored and lonely because he lost his only rival both in Strength and Skill now he is hoping that one day a Swordsman will appear that has the strength to overpower his previous rival Shanks(this implies that Mihawk is looking for someone stronger than Shanks because the current Shanks is much weaker now compared to Mihawk). Dracule Mihawk the Hawkeye in One Piece Verse has a "Saitama Syndrome"; he is tremendously strong, bored, lonely and is looking for the day that someone will give him a challenge for him to fully unleash his suppressed Strength and Skills right now none can do that unless Zoro will reach that level, this why Oda is holding Mihawk's power for a reason and that is why we don't see Mihawk using any of his Hakis(Conqueror, Armament and Observation) yes you read it right he has conqueror haki obviously because Mihawk is a conqueror in the realm of swordsman as Oda stated "He is the world strongest swordsman both in title and actuality(reality), he sits at the very top as the most powerful among swordsmen. He trained relentlessly and challenged all powerful swordsman until none was left(the only swordsman who did come closed to Mihawk's Strength and Skills is Shanks sadly that is not the case anymore because of his arm). So stop saying that Mihawk has no feats because like I said Oda is holding him for the final saga, imagine if Mihawk's casual swing of sword and no named attacks can cleave mountains what would you think will happen if he ever gets serious and used haki+named attack? We might witness an island cleaving attack or worse he might cleave the space itself so One Piece fandom sit back and just enjoy Oda's narration because most of you Shanks fanboys out there kept coming up with some coping mechanism like "But..Shanks is not a Swordsman he is a Haki-Man, so he does not belong to those swordsman that is below Mihawk's title!" just so you can justify your logic that 'Favourite character >>>> Stronger character'. It is not Mihawk's lack of feats that is the problem, it's the One Piece fandom especially Shanks fanboys who has comprehension problems and I know some of you will agree and disagree with me but nonetheless I'll stay with my better understanding of Oda's narrations and statements that Mihawk is above Shanks when it comes to Strength and Skills as a swordsman both in haki and swordplay. Whatever feats Shanks shows just keeps upscaling Mihawk's title and power.
No shanks was worth a billion back then he later became a yonko and oda stated him losing his arm did nothing to his strength
Let's see if Mihawk can do WiFi haki even more crazier way than Shanks
it was never stated, bro making his own sbs
Bro expect us to read all of that💀
@@tristanapiado5325 here is the short version:
Mihawk became the 'Sekai Saikyou no Kenshi', which translates to the World's Strongest Swordsman, by default because Shanks sacrificed his left dominant arm for Luffy. In the past, both swordsmen dueled many times for the title, as Shanks and Mihawk are the two strongest swordsmen in the world. However, the competition was halted when Shanks became crippled. While Shanks retains tremendous Haki, his swordsmanship suffered because of the loss of his left dominant arm, which handicaps him against Mihawk, who excels in both tremendous Haki and swordsmanship.
Mihawk is a monstrous Haki user, potentially surpassing even Shanks. The testament to this is his permanently black supreme blade, Yoru. Achieving this feat defines the highest echelon of Haki power for a swordsman, something that Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh, Nusjuro, Garling, or any other current swordsman in their era failed to achieve.
the fact that miwhawk went to marineford AND DIDN’T GET HIT ONCE
I personally don't care until they got actual good feats like their one or two feats away from being fearless like like them fight somebody strong
And that line get shanks meat out of their mouth was crazy lol 😆 , anyway great vid 👌
Same both barely have any feats so how the hell are we supposed to properly rank them.
@@stickthelanding4785 exactly people just like wasting their time on this meaningless debate, mihawk is superior already as stated by oda cause shanks lost an arm he stopped being mihawk's equal. mihawk is the most skilled and strongest swordsmen and last time i checked shanks used a sword and haki is part of swordmenship so everything is in mihawk's favour. i have no clue why this rivalry carries on with the fandom lol they're friends mihawk doesn't wanna fight shanks plus they've drank and fought each other many times so it's all a respect thing with them.
honestly seems funny why mihawk just didn't ally with the red haired pirates but i get it things would've been to unfair
Respect
Vista has an anti-feat where he couldn't affect Akainu when he attacked him with Marco
Not really, that's speculated to be Akainu using Future sight
Nah he said how irritating "haki users" it hit him but their haki wasnt strong enough. As you can tell by the SFX there's an impact unlike other future sight/logia evasion moments.@@Frosto_Boi
@@myst2761 then I guess for Logia users with haki, you can only harm them if you have stronger haki. I mean the only logia users we've seen get hit using buso haki either didn't have any haki, or didn't have advanced haki
well that's akainu who took a straight on quake that would ko 90% of people in the verse from an enraged whitebeard
I think there is no way to for sure determine who the winner would be. But I think relying on just a title, in a show where titles have been misleading quite often, over concrete feats and demonstrations of strength is just insane. I’m not saying for sure who would win but I don’t see how your money could not logically be on shanks just based off of what we’ve seen as opposed to what we’ve seen from Mihawk.
Because narrative 🤷 Mihawk is known to hold back and Only put in as much force as needed. He doesn't just hold some random title. He's literally Zoro's End goal and oda stated mihawk is factually the strongest Swordman in multiple sources. Off feats zoro would slam rocks but I bet you wouldn't ever compare rocks to Zoro because narratively and logically rocks low diffs zoro
Everything bit of info suggests the winner was Mihawk but that Shanks was getting close and that the last match before Luffy was a draw.
In short, Shanks was Mihawks first Zoro
Which titles were misleading? Which of the "world's strongest" in particular cuz both Whitebeard and Kaido live up to theirs
I don't think titles are misleading honestly, Whitebeard had old age and a debilitating disease and he himself also says "I can't be the strongest forever". And I don't think Kaido's title is so misleading, his feats are crazy. Also Kaido's title does involve more hearsay and less definitive statements as opposed to Whitebeard and Mihawk.
Regardless if Whitebeard and Kaido's title are misleading or not, Mihawk has narrative on his side. Mihawk is clearly created as the final challenge for Zoro. If he isn't actually the strongest swordsman, I would really question why Oda would even put him in the story in the first place.
Mihawk has also pledged to Zoro that he will 'hold the seat of the strongest' and wait for Zoro.
As long as Shanks is considered a swordsman by Oda, putting your money on Mihawk is definitely the logical conclusion.
Wb's title is misleading because he was only almost unstoppable at mf
Kaido's title is misleading because he only fought a couple of monsters and a god
And mihawk's title is misleading because one guy made out of diamond blocked his attack
(Sarcasm)
Mihawk didn't use a named attack. They just called it the World's Strongest Slash because it was a slash frooom....😑 We ALL know that was just a casual, low-effort attack.
It shouldn’t be a debate because hawks beats rats.
😅Facts
no proof no feat actually shut up xd
@@milotreil4469I got proof. The sbs vivre card sbs and manga
Doesn't mean shit . Laido was titled the world's strongest creature as well. Doesn't mean characters like luffy and garp can't defeat him @@venusrhodes7475
Can’t wait for Zoro to fight Shanks for the world strongest title then.
More truth from SB Sage. The only time I disagreed with you is when you posted about Kizaru one shot proving Admirals are not comparable to Yonko. It’s still debatable because of the narrative around Admirals, the context of the one shot, and the context of Egghead storyline as a whole heading into the flashback and Gorosei hype meaning a top tier fight like Kizaru V Luffy can not take up another 50 or so chapters like we’re having another of the biggest fights in One Piece like Kaido V Luffy. Still I agree with most of what you say and it seems you remain mostly unbiased. I mean people who still say Shanks wins are just hoping Shanks will come by looking for head because narrative and feats show us that Mihawk wins Extreme Diff without a debate to be had.
This will always be a debate like always until they have a rematch with a clear winner.
Someone said on the internet that Oda said Shanks' strength didn't diminished when he lost his arm.
Titles would have you believe that mihawk and whitebeard are both the strongest pirate.
With whitebeards weapon being considered part of the category they uses for the term "swordsman" in Japanese.
Speaking of the title It can be interpreted 2 ways "worlds strongest "swordsman".
The strongest character that uses sword" or "the fighter with the best swordsmanship"
You believe mihawk only cuts what he wants but conveniently and consistently has been cutting the ice aswell with his attack, as the breath of all things was demonstrated with a piece of paper (much less dense than ice)
You should change your argument from the ice being mihawks target not whitebeard.
How strong can we prove mihawk's current strength? 1st commander at best.
Mihawk has no proof outside that tier because feats > titles/narrative.
Lmaoooo there is no such thing as 1st commander level they all vary drastically in strength and that’s like putting kaido or Luffy over shanks or Roger bc they have more feats what a shit argument
@sbthesage2100 and you think Shanks is over kaido and luffy because Shanks with his crew fought kaido who just had king.
Or maybe you think that because he 1 shot a character that was going to be pulverized with conquest of the sea, which kaido up scales from with only a 2x multiplier at best unless you think big mom did most of the work with that attack, gear 4th is a 15x multiplier and amped by basic then afvanced CoC, and gear 5th is stated to upscale from that. Meaning kaido delt with someone multiple times stronger than the conquest of the sea.
Feats are the evidence to arguments. Do you know what's worse than a shit argument? I could be your bum ass having NO argument.
I don't have all the first commanders at the same level. But I know that all of them *range* from mid supernova to below Admiral if you need an articulation of what people mean when they say 1st commander level.
Oda literally said his self he puts narrative and story before feats any day💀 the feats say chopper > joyboy, rocks, imu. Do you actually believe that tho? 🤡
@@mightguy3118 narrative is subjective, feats are not. Therefore, you ought not use them as evidence.
I could say "narratively." blackbeard will be the final villain, so he upscales.
I could as equally argue narrative if I claim that Akainu will be the final villain, so he upscales.
What I can't do is deny seeing a character be out right blitzed or overpowered.
What I'm referring to is a harder standard of analysis.
If we are to look at the *pondrence of evidence* we would be able to *infer* many things about the text.
However, if we are to look at statements with the standard of *beyond a reasonable doubt* we are able to *prove* less things about that same text.
There are even some standards of reading that forego the author all together if you still want to argue narrative.
So no, your chopper anti-feat scaling meets neither standard. You're just a shit scaler.
@@edwardlewis4724 Yep narratively bb and Akainu will be endgame villians so oda will make them as strong as they need to be. One piece isn't dragon ball. Oda could make a character clash with a commander then next panel defeat a top tier. It's how he writes. Narrative > feats in one piece
Oda stated that Shanks USED to be as strong as mihawk then he stated that Mihawk is still looking for a worthy rival that is even stronger than shanks,also shanks is a sword fighter and mihawk is well known as not just the best but also strongest swordsman
W mihawk slams
common W
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Shanks folds that vista victim fraudhawk glazers
@@invincibleff7657 Vista + Croc couldn't even scratch a holding back Mihawk while 1 seaking took Shanks arm 😂
@@schmel7930 could mihawk scratch them then? Absolutely not and it's nowhere been mentioned if he was holding back so yeah you shouldn't gawk on him too much and assume things . And also Shanks chased kizaru who could move at light's speed so let's not act like he couldn't have evaded that sea king attack. I'd say he intentionally let go of his arm for some reason oda's fs gonna let us know . Had that been Fraudhawk, he won't have even survived lmfaoo🤦🏻♂️
I got Mihawk winning against Shanks, narratively it just doesn't make sense to me if Shanks wins that fight.
But, I kinda have a problem with HOW people think Mihawk beats Shanks. Here's my take.
- Shanks is most definitely a swordsman. Let's get that out of the way.
- Anyone who fights with their primary weapon as a sword and wants to challenge Mihawk, is going to lose. Because the path that him and Zoro have taken in this story just completely CLEARS anything that anyone else has done in terms of dedication to the blade and their skill with it.
- Haki is a key component of swordsmanship, but it isn't the entire picture. If the practice of swordsmanship was entirely down to haki alone, then Mihawk has reached a level of haki that not even Roger was able to, and it would mean that the most optimal path for a pirate to take in this world is to strive to be the WSS. Everything we've seen Zoro do in this story doesn't really matter at all if he just needed stronger haki. He might as well have just fought Luffy's opponents.
- Your skill/connection with the blade is important. The reason that Shanks can even give Mihawk, or any other Yonkou a challenge in the first place, is because he's got insane levels of haki. I don't think he cares about sword styles, breath of all things etc. I think he's good at swordplay, but he's not at Mihawk level of expertise.
- To me, Divine Departure is completely on brand with what I expect pirates like Roger/Shanks to do. Roger swings his sword like a baseball bat for gods sake. Mihawk would probably be appalled by his form considering that the guy is really big on using a sword with grace. DD looks like a conqeurors + ryou internal destruction sword technnique to me, because none of the Divine Departure attacks we've seen have actually cut anything so far. Oden got blown away and Kidds railgun got destroyed from the inside. These guys just get their haki and full send it.
Mihawk's got amazing levels of haki and also represents the pinnacle of proficiency with the blade. But I think Shanks is a less refined swordsman, but makes up for it with some of the strongest levels of conquerors haki allowing him an advantage against other fighters.
Shanks is a haki man not because he uses haki but because his haki is strongest
Even oda stated that shanks conquerors is so strong that it prevents opponents future sight he have the best haki fetas in series
Man with a sword > greatest swordsman
Shit argumentation
@@sbthesage2100 Stop meat riding that painter Shanks do have the best haki feats till now cope harder
Better than kaido,better than big mom, better then the admirals
Oh you have seen him paralysing greenbull from miles right? Mihwak fought shanks last time 12 years ago lol you think he have grown weaker since then?
Shanks had the bounty of 1B at that time you can search for it now it's 4+B
He has the strongest conquerors till now beta feats on page
Whitebeard had the title of strongest man in the world it doesn't mean Roger was weaker then him 🗣️ Pirate king was the title he got way later
@@dhruvroy387 all I hear is gawk gawk shanks is so strong just wait until the end of the series tho so your whole dream is shattered 💀
@@sbthesage2100 Lol we'll see bruh put that frauds meat out of your mouth first
I put my stocks on shanks anyday
@@sbthesage2100 who in the series has better Haki feats than Shanks?
So the attack that mihawk used was only targeting wb yet cut the ice, or was he targeting both the ice and wb but not jozu? And after that he never even went to try to fight wb again despite that was his only reason to be there.
Law cutting the whole mountain of punk hazard>mihawk cutting ice mountain since law’s a swordsman
thanks w vid
I have been loving your one piece content, so keep up the good work!! You and anime balls deep are the best one piece power scalers.
Shanks is insanely overrated, so I completely understand the sentiment of the video. I Also agree that luffy=shanks and mihawk=zoro narrative argument is bad, because Luffy is paralleling joyboy and shanks parallels roger(which might include him dying young like roger. I wonder how shanks fans will react to him losing to BB 😂🤣😂.) and zoro isn't exactly paralleling Mihawk or Rayleigh. In fact he might end being stronger than Roger, Because hes going to be the right hand of Joyboy. And Shounen has have this thing with the new generation being stronger than older generation.
All that being said I do think shanks is stronger than mihawk for lore based reasons.
The first reason is that Shanks has stronger Advanced Conquers Haki, thereby making him the stronger swordsman.
1. From the series we know Advanced Conquers Haki is important to swordsman. As Roger, Shanks, Oden and Zoro are confirmed to be Advanced Conquers haki users. I think Mihawk and Rayleigh definitely have the advanced Conquers Haki it just isn't confirmed yet. Another important aspect of swordsman is observation haki. And we know shanks has insane Observation haki, its honestly hard to imagine anyone having better Observation haki than him.
2. I think Mihawk and Rayleigh Prime are similar in strength.
3. In 1096 Rayleigh was confirmed to be at God Valley. And this presumably the only time Kaido met Roger and Rayleigh, so this interaction is what he is gauging their relative levels of Adv Conquers Haki
4. Roger and Shanks were both in Kaido's Top 5 Adv Conquers users and Rayleigh was not even though he met Kaido at God Valley.
5. Based on the previous points shanks would be stronger than Mihawk, Because shanks made into Kaido Top 5 and Rayleigh didn't. Plus given shanks made it into Kaido's Top 5 Relative to Roger who we know was stronger than Rayleigh.
The second reason is that Titles in one piece are not always indicative of strength. (eg. Luffy getting Yonko Title on WCI and Buggy getting the Yonko Title)
In Mihawks case I think he has the title of strongest swordsman, because he beat Rayleigh not because he's the best swordsman in the verse.
I think its high diff In favor of Shanks
Tell me what you think. Thanks for reading.
Lol 😂 no, he's one of the worst powerscallers there is on UA-cam. Using hyperboles to powerscale characters. His videos are very biased and you can see it from the way he responds to some comments 😂. The dude literally uses what he wants when it comes to feats and statements
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Your an idiot, he's WAY better than all of the admiraltard one piece youtuber's, who seem like they haven't read the story when they talk about scaling or character matchups.
Case and point he correctly predicted the result of the Luffy vs Kizaru fight
@@GameMasta-ri6luBetter than someone who does not provide any evidences to do so.
Please , the narrative is the most important thing in One piece..Yes, power scaling works overall, but to use small scale clashes to justify strength is ridiculous, especially because there's a narrative behind the clash for a wanted result....Like Mihawk vs Vista..Mihawk was clearly holding back massively....Like Luffy vs Lucci...Why did they clash equally somewhat while Luffy was in gear 5?
Things like that...
Mihawk is not the true WSS, it's Gandhi, and it's pretty obvious why..Mihawk is not Zoro's final adversary because of Luffy..
The narrative is there to trump all the bullshit power scaling..
All of you think that Mihawk will wait for Luffy's dream to arrive at it's end, and then on a small island in the middle of nowhere Mihawk awaits Zoro's 3 errected swords...to give him the fight of his life..
Please, Mihawk will drop before, or in the middle of the final war...
Do you think that Luffy will become PK after he beats Imu?
He will beat BB, become PK, learn the true histroy, and after he learns that history he will challenge the WG, exactly like WB stated with his final words...
Do you guys REALLY think that Pirate King Luffy will have on his right the nr 1 WSS title contender Zoro as he pulls up to the holy land?..
Zoro will put Mihawk down probably before the final war starts..before Luffy becomes PK..
Or you want to say that Luffy's dream that's harder is easier to achieve? Guess Mihawk was damn wrong about that..
Where was i? Oh yeah, WSS Zoro will pull up against Figgerland, or Fujitora...and then as his final opponent he will fight the 800y old demon elder Gandhi...
I am telling you this..The chance Zoro's final adversary in the series is a clone of MIhawk or Ryuma is much higher than Mihawk himself.
My point is..if Mihawk isn't the true WSS...his chances against Shanks aren't as " shouldn't be a debate" would make you think it is.
Evidence: *exists*
This dude: Mihawk just wasn't going all out.
Mihawk: Im not holding back this time.
This dude: that doesn't REALLY mean he's not holding back.
Mihawk: *exists*
This dude: *on his knees, blowing him*
Is your brain gonna break when Mihawk does greater feats than he did in Marineford? 🤣
Brother Zoro has better feats than Mihawk in Marineford, is Zoro already stronger than his end goal? 🤣
Use some common sense for once lmao
As soon as mihawk does some op shit MF gonna say a lame excuse saying since shanks is luffy father figure he’s stronger 💀
We can’t see haki pre ts because it’s invisible to those who don’t have it and Luffy didn’t have it yet
I don't understand Shanks fans. I also like Shanks more but everything is speculation except for one thing we know as a fact..... Shanks and Mihawk were dead even rivals until Shanks lost his arm and Mihawk refused to fight him any further. It's just logic. Mihawk > 1 Armed Shanks
Shanks wins. titles are continuously proven to mean nothing in one piece starting from whitebeard being the world strongest man to Roger being king of the pirates, when Roger didn't even know such a thing existed. So if you throw away that source of information, "titles" and look at everything else, FEATS. Shanks win. In marine ford everyone was watching Mihawk when he stepped up. but when Shanks stepped up Marine Ford eneded. Not to mention Shanks 1 tapped Kidd, and Mihawk best ON SCREEN feat is him slicing that mountain in half which Law did in Punk Hazard... Shanks win.
Ah yes let's assume a title oda has directly backed up countless times in sources that's literally linked to Zoro's end goal is a lie💀 if you're saying Mihawks title doesn't mean shit then you're saying Zoro's dream is a fraud and oda has been lying. Nice agenda
feats wise zoro claps imu.
@@mightguy3118there to busy tanking back shots from shanks to learn how to read 💀😂
@@isaacmybro9570 Shanks could show up and blink and the one piece community Gets wet 😭
@@mightguy3118 if you think Zoro gives a damn about what other people calls him you’re wrong. Zoro want to BE the strongest swordsman not for everyone to CALL him the world strongest swordsman.
You know what, this is my favorite MU for Junko Enoshima, not everything has to be about fighting or using others to fight her them, why not make this a much more unique Fight, a battle of Wits, or something like that, like instead of what we usually get, instead we can focus on "If Junko Is Smart Enough And Daring Enough To Solve Jigsaw Games", if she does, then it will go into a class trial and Jigsaw will be find guilty and executed, if not, then Junko will just die from the trap made by Jigsaw
(Of course, it might be short and less action pack, but I really want a Battle to explore different ideas that doesn't always involve fighting)
All I am saying is that the manga goes out of its way to hype shank’s’ Conquerors haki more than anything else in his arsenal. Regardless of if mihawk is stronger which I think they are equal I believe shanks is the greatest coc user alive rn. I also think mihawk is the greatest armament user alive as well. With shank’s ability cancel future sight I think that causes the stalemate.
Everything suggests they were equal. Mihawk fought Shanks to the point Shanks became equal. And then Luffy happened. Hence the score. Mihawk did not get to fight someone stronger than him. He was robbed of it. Now they’ll never know. So he moved onto Zoro
You see this is actually not a bad take at all, unlike some other people 😂
Shanks definitely has more ways of using Conqueror's haki than others especially the observation killing.
Mihawk due to his epithet of 'Hawk-Eyes' and his original epithet of 'Clairvoyant' definitely allude to a mastery of observation haki and I don't have doubt that Mihawk's armament is superior. Mihawk obviously is able to use conqueror's coating as well and he has that Black Blade.
I wonder how Shanks' future sight killing works against other top tiers, since if it's based on conqueror's I don't know how well it works on people with similar willpower.
I'm starting to see the possibility of them being equals more than Mihawk being definitively stronger 🤔
@@beepboop4833I read it somewhere that u need to have calm state to see future which is not possible against Shanks
Shanks neggs that folder y'all
I’m seeing a lot of meat riding on Mihawk dawg 😂😂
The fact that shanks is not luffys goal, ik everyone knows that but mihawk is also not zoros goal. Zoros goal is to become the strongest swordsmen and guess who it is not shanks a confirmed swordsman but mihawk. Its clear in every sense that mihawk is stronger. Or else the second most important character which is zoro is chasing the wrong guy.
Some people believe that Mihawk is not as powerful as shanks just because of what happened at marineford, while if you ask him if he whether or not a fraud he would say he isn’t and he is Yonko level
If that is the case then why do you insist on referencing to marineford 😂 since you yourself believe he is yonko level then it means you internally know that he wasn’t going all-out.
We have examples from the same event which are akainu and aokiji, from what we have seen in the marineford akainu looks way more stronger that aokiji but it turned out that they are relative and aokiji wasn’t using his full potential. So I believe that using marineford’s clashes is not a good way to interpret the true power of the characters
0.57 lets see what happens when shanks uses divine departure (uses one hand lol)
in my opinion it makes sense that shanks was the strongest swordsman before he lost his arm. mihawk wanted to surpass him but did so without beating him in battle. thats why mihawk calls it a betrayal
Mihawk is the strongest swordsman of today but Zoro wants to be the strongest swordsman ever meaning he has to surpass both Roger and Ryuma. This doesn't mean that he will be stronger than Luffy isnce Luffy needs to match or surpass Joyboy.
ahh this is the first time ive seen this guy actually make a video composed of 100% fax
sbanks lost his arm to a fish.
the same fish got punched by luffy later. alao shanks got scars nobody can make mihawk a scar
Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. I can prove it, no debate.
Honesty the whole deabte about sword skill vs sword power becomes dumb when you look at how Zoro fights. He doesn't exactly use skill in most of his fights and usually wins through raw power and haki. And his goal is Mihawk. So why would his goal be the most skilled swordsman and not the strongest swordsman even though he mostly relies on strength.
imu>mihawk>shanks>daddy figarland>blackbeard>luffy
Bro is i don't who gave you your info but every attack mihawk did was a no named no effort basic attack.
It took 25 years for shanks to do a named attack
Im still waiting for mihawk to do the same
All the attacks in marineford where BASIC
And they anything but lackluster
And if you ignore what a swordsman is you will never the insane shit mihawk did
A targeted attack ("swordsman choose what they wish to cut")
Getting redirected by someone who isn't the target is not a big deal
Otherwise zoro cannot cut a leaf
And he is a bum lvl swordsman
Mr,1 stoped a basic slash from mihawk intended for luffy
Then got one shot neg diffed by mihawk right after
Mihawk Neg diffed 1 shot jinbei
Mihawk played with vista while looking at luffy vista used a NAMED attack and mihawk saw through it and used a BASIC slash to instantly destroy it
(Vista used his flower pedals move after mihawk requested to see his swordsmanship)
Mihawk put in more work than any Lamdiral
Who were SPAMMING NAMED attacks
Did they one shot kill any wb commander with these NAMED ATTACKS?
Did they kill a bunch of named ally of the wb pirates with these named attacks?
The killed a few weaklings
And Lakainu killed a marine who wanted to leave and somehow they are pirate king lvl?????
The damage and output from the Ladmirals Named attacks didn't even do shit
Mihawk with a BASIC swing cut a Mountain size tsunami, Lifted it and shattered it to pieces
Please anyone tell me what 3 Ladmirals did??
After using a bunch of named attacks??
Wb was fighting 3 admirals 70% of the time and did they kill him?...No
And they were using named attack😂
Mihawk the goat and literally used 1% of his capability and power at marineford
He used 100% of that 1%
Thats why he said he wont hold back when he went after luffy
If mihawk used 5% of that 1% of his full power
Then he was holding back astronomically
But no he used 100% of the 1% of his full power and capability
Zoro’ end goal is to beat Mihawk, strongest swordsman. If Shanks is stronger than him, then it just dampens Zoro’s dream and I just don’t see Oda doing that.
Is there a video that scales their power cuz for the most part people Debate the title and the narrative of it and not the over all feats from what I’ve seen mihawk and shanks feats are far and few tbh I can kinda see shanks beating mihawk depending on the circumstances since even if mihawk is stronger there isn’t huge diff and it’s high to extreme diff
Oda loves messing with you power scalers , did you not just read the latest chapter
@@Thenoble1j I’ll check
Mihawk supremacy
Shanks Dies To BB Before Mihawk Fights Zoro I’m Calling It.
I’m gonna be debunk everything that shanks fans can keep on downplaying mihawk on these feats:
Debunk No. 1:"MiHaWk Is ScArEd FrOm ShAnKs 🤓🤡”
How tf mihawk is scared and he fought shanks so many times? If mihawk was LEGIT scared from shanks, mihawk could've just fought shanks once and that's it, mihawk will never fight shanks ever
And for all people who say that mihawk was scared from shanks when shanks lost his arm, mihawk as the WSS doesn't wanna fight someone with 1 arm and he feels a little bit pity for himself to do such thing not that he's "ScArEd" like wtf?
When shanks arrived at MF, a lot of shanks fans say that mihawk was scared when shanks arrived, mihawk ONLY agreed to fight the WB pirates only and he didn't expect to fight shanks/red hair pirates and once again, mihawk left because he doesn't wanna fight a man with 1 arm that's it
It’s the perfect example of someone asking Andrew Tate if he wants to fight current Mike Tyson and Andrew said “no I can’t fight the current Mike Tyson because he is so old right now and it’s so a shame and disrespectful to fight a 50 yo man”
Debunk No.2: "Mihawk can't cut diamond 🤓🤡"
mihawk can cut diamond because as zoro’s sensei taught zoro of the pinnacle of the swordsmanship is to protect one who wishes to protect and to cut who wishes to cut and as we saw in the zoro vs daz bonez in the alabasta arc when zoro was rubbing his sword on the leaf, the leaf didn’t cut because zoro doesn’t want to cut the leaf but zoro wants to cut a rock and it worked zoro finally cuts the rock, that means mihawk was only focusing on cutting WB only and he didn’t expect Jozu to block the attack, if mihawk wants cut diamond then Jozu is dead and he will be cut
Debunk No.3: "mihawk is a vista victim 🤓🤡”
Sengoku did not want his fighters and his warlords to interfere or kill the WB pirates.
Mihawk didn't even care about this little exchange either, like why do you shankstards expect from mihawk? Mihawk going on full strength and shows his 100% power to a swordsman who is 100 times weaker than him??????
Let's be real here, vista was only able to "evenly match" mihawk only because mihawk wasn't even trying and he already stated of how he won't go full strength over a swordsman who is a billion times weaker than him, just like of what he did to zoro in the baratie
But all of you shankstards can do is just cope
Debunk No. 4: "Mihawk is scared from the yonkos 🤓🤡"
People who say that mihawk is scared from the yonkos don't even understand mihawk's character
The main reason he joined the cross guild was so the marines wouldn't swarm and bother him, with that in mind, why would people expect a man who just wants to have some peace to go out and fight 3 of the strongest crews in the world? His goal isn't to become the pirate king like the shanks, luffy and BB so it makes sense why he doesn't care to fight them
All he's been waiting for is a swordsman that can surpass his formal rival shanks and give him a good match, if his goal was simply to fight strong people he could've done that by now like there's kaido, the admirals I mean there's plenty of people looking for smoke, we gotta understand, not everybody is the mc, some characters have to have some kind of common sense
But anyways mihawk wins extreme diff, cope harder shankstards
Not gonna lie pal, ain't cooking with this one.
Tripping
Mihawk postponed him and vista's fight
Shanks stopped the whole Marine Ford war lol😂
There's levels to this.
Both shanks and mihawk didnt say any named attack (note divine deprature is the original move of roger )
Plus any of us know that how mihawk got his title cuz before shanks lost his arm , mihawk title was marine hunter
And shanks indeed said its time to claim one piece which means he will be luffy end goal
Just no
@@s3r635 why
Heyy wsg Dante
@@dantedmc1789Shanks losing his arm didn’t suddenly make him weaker than Shanks, it made it so that Shanks couldn’t make any more growth and no longer had the potential to surpass Mihawk. At the time they were evenly matched(though I’d lean towards Mihawk even against two armed Shanks), but when Shanks lost his arm, Mihawk no longer considered him to be capable of matching him so that makes it pretty clear Mihawk>Shanks.
Shanks using rogers named attack isn’t a reason for why shanks wouldn’t be a swordsman? Are you slow? There’s multiple other swordsman in this show who follow a certain swordsman code or learned technique from some part of the world by someone else. That doesn’t mean they are not a swordsman cause they didn’t make their own 💀 you shanks fans constantly fucking add new metrics and excuses to this debate it’s fucking pathetic, I can’t even keep up with how many different excuses y’all make. Grow up
can we talk about how high quality this editing is?? gawwwwwwwt damn
Mihawk and Oda answered this question 2 decades ago
Ik it wasn’t stated in the title but I was looking for an actual comparison, not the same dumbass argument that everyone uses to say that mihawk is stronger, I for one think they are equal in strength and think their parallel in the story is roger and Rayleigh since 1 in the right hand man of the pirate king who wields a sword and the other is the pirate king, just like we have in the story. But if I were to choose a side I would choose shanks because of the fact that the definition of a swordsman is “a person who fights with a sword, typically it being their strongest skill and weapon for attacking” and although it is his strongest weapon, his attacks do not revolve around his sword and although he needs his sword to do it he can also use a spoon, don’t see anyone calling him a spoon man do you? Anyways, sorry if this comes off as hostile but I would want an actual power scaling not the most popular opinion against shanks, to prove who is better. The fact of the matter, we don’t have enough evidence by either of these 2 to prove that.
Edit: Just like to add that titles also are not to be taken totally seriously even if shanks was considered a swordsman, if we are talking about how well they can use a sword I would give it to mihawk, but mihawk would lose to roger, so saying he is the greatest swordsman of all time is also in accurate for that reason too, just like the title “worlds strongest creature” kaido is technically a human with a non-human species devil fruit, so that title is inaccurate too.
Typed all that bs just to say some dumb shit like 😂 mihawk and shanks is just Rayleigh and Roger 💀💀💀💀 when I literally showed a scan of oda saying they’re rivalry is akin to white beard and Roger
Shanks uses a sword for his strongest offensive attacks and no you can’t prove otherwise he is not a Haki man or a fucking spoon man he is a swordsman period cope about it
Yea I don't see people calling him a spoon man, but I don't see people looking at him and the first thing coming to mind is a swordsman like they would do to Mihawk because Shanks isn't a swordsman, you don't need a genre of fighter to be a fighter. idk man all I'm tryna say is I'm not believing it until you can prove to me with stats (which you usually can do). But I don't think there is enough evidence to prove that so I'm sticking to my thought.@@sbthesage2100
If they are equals, they would still be rivals.
And kaido is an oni btw.
Let’s just wait for the end of the series lmfao
The end of the series is where Zoro fights Mihawk for the title, so according to Shanks fans he will end up a Zoro victim in both timelines lol
NO I WONT BELIVE IT SHANKS IS A HAKIMAN SINCE HES LUFFY END GOAL😭😭😭
Luffys goal = Pirate King. Shanks != Pirate King. Luffy goal != Shanks
Can you do a video about team 7 vs the straw hats
Imma be honest shanks has better feats than Mihawk currently so I’m leaning towards shanks slightly not saying Miwhawk isn’t poweful just that shanks has better showing of feats such as film red which even though the events aren’t canon it’s stated portrayal of characters strength is .
someone get this to FEXR
Mihwak meatriding is crazy😝
I guess mihawk was the strongest at marine ford
Its sated that mihawk is the strongest at sword play meaning in terms of strictly sword skill mihawk is the best
Wrong it’s stated mihawk surpasses shanks in sword play by a random marine. And even if you we’re right he’s also stated to be the strongest most powerful swordsman with the strongest sword cope harder you illiterate shanks glazer
@@sbthesage2100 so are you saying that white beard was still the strongest person in the verse at the time of his death? since he was the worlds strongest man? and technically white beard used a sword so does that mean that mihawk was stronger than white beard or and of the goro sae?
@@xero6970 white beard was the strongest Pirate and man on his meds
@@xero6970 white beard uses a naginata not a sword I bet you thought u we’re onto something tho
@@sbthesage2100 technically it’s considered a blade as one of the holy blades
mihaawk hasn't used any named attacks that was a marine who said that slash was the world greatest slash read the manga bro
Shanks>=Mihawk
What I read was you put a swordsman against the strongest swordsman
So is Mihawk stronger than roger? Must be by your logic. Stop hawking down Mihawks “sword” and maybe you can catch a breath and think a lil.
Roger is dead cornball. Mihawk got his title after Roger died.
@@tejasiyer1923 are you dumb? Doesnt mean we cant compare strengths, goofy.
Yes bro don’t you understand! As a Mihawk GLAZER! DRACULA D! Is the strongest one piece character !!!!
bro why are you comparing Mihawk to Roger? let me ask Is Shanks stronger than Roger?
Mihawk is the current strongest swordsmen and shanks is a swordsmen. So definitely Mihawk is stronger.
This is a fact that Every titled person had lived upto their title.
Old whitebeard showed in the Marine ford why he got the title of Strongest Man in the world .
Kaido showed in wano why he got the title of Strongest Creature in the world.
Why are you doubting Mihawk will not live upto his title.
Your excuse as for why he never cut wb is bs there’s several instances he tried to slash other ppl (eg: luffy dodging and letting buggy or the ice take the hit ) also vista does in fact have anti feats when he tried slashing Akainu w haki your vid is just you being biased
How is Akinu warping around vistas slash 😭 an anti feat ? and even if I was to concede the breath of all things point wtf does it matter to the conclusion lol ? Cause last time I checked Jozu has no anti feats durability wise either
If he is the strongest why does he work under a clown lol
Buggy is the man who will become king of the pirates
Goathawk slams Shanks D. Snitch
Uhhh that was not a named attack what da hell
Mihawk winning he the strongest swordman shanks a swordman so the strongest swordman winning shanks fans stop saying shanks win ok
Out of all your crappy takes , I agree with this lol
Tell D. Gorosei vs Goathawk?
Why is mihawk not in kaidos top 5?
Kaido has literally never seen mihawk fight nor does he know how strong he is unlike the others in his top 5 garp isint there either btw and we know he’s stronger than almost anyone kaido has fought
Why is he saying stuff like it has been decades since someone could push him this far when he had a fight with shanks 2 years ago.
i wonder why newgate shieki or roger was not given world strongest swordsman title even thou they were the strongest men and were briliant with thier swords .ryuma was the sword god shows that tittles for sword play is not a new thing ....we have seen shanks do things a swords man would not do .. what he did to green bull is wierd for a sword man to say the least... based on what we see from zoro a swords man infuse haki into the blade fullstop. use the blade as a midium to fight or release all attackes . similiar to sanji only fighting with his feet ... shanks as used haki out side of sword play he is not only a great sword master like hawk eye.. strongest sword man doesnt mean stronger than anyone with a sword withbeard as debunk that.. mihawk is supior to shanks at swords manship has he is to whitebeard and roger but he is not stronger ..unless you are saying roger and newgate cant use theres swords
.. a next note law is also a swordsman futher proves my piont
Well whitebears and shiki uses devil fruits. For roger we dont actually know, but if we think like how is hakiman using a sword different from a swordsman like is there a special technique or slash we dont know that doesn't qualify as a swordsman so idk rlly
All my Bitcoin to mihawk
Shanks clears nothing you say can change that 😂
cope
After Rat hair opened up his domain he asked. are you the strongest because I’m you? Or are you the one who left it all behind and his overwhelming intensity because with this treasure I summon? The painted swordsmen simply answered “nah I’d win”
Mihawk is the strongest swords man not strongest person
And shanks is a swordman
Mihawk over Roger to huh
Roger is dead. WSS applies to current
both kcm2 naruto victim🗿
Lol kcm 1 is enough
@@reddeadclowns facts bro is able to keep up in war arc and even able to tank blind madaras attacks
why does that matter? Bro you're giving a bad name to both Naruto and bleach fans. Even with the aizen pfp (best villain in th big 3), no reason to debate shit like this.
@@thehdtv7552 what? bro what are you even talking about its not becuz i have aizen pfp naruto fan( most of the time) and bleach fan that its a bad representations of them lol and im debating about this cuz one piece fans are stupid they think have op characters when they havent
@@youssefibrahim5496 exactly it's obvious you haven't watched/read one piece and are just a Naruto fanboy who has to make Naruto always win to reason why Naruto is better than one piece. Like it's the same thing boruto fans do with Naruto, they try and say boruto characters are stronger so they're better.
Besides you said kcm2 but then agreed that kcm1 would be enough which is blatantly wrong. The speed scaling is way off so Kcm1 Naruto loses.
It's pathetic going onto a video about one piece just to try and validate your Naruto meat riding.
This video is one of the best breakdowns of this fight I’ve seen; so I think u will like this as well. Idc who gets the recognition; someone share this vid(ua-cam.com/video/1651AYCTkDo/v-deo.html )It explains Mihawk VS Shanks the best I’ve seen; scroll down & be open-minded enough to hear other people’s perspectives. It’s important to understand when this video was published; to get that he foresaw almost everything. I don’t agree with all; but most. I could even give my own input on things; but it will be too long. U can update each section to date yourself & realize that the vid still holds up greatly to date. Thnx
LET'S GOOOOO SHANKS SLANDER
With that being said, if we put anyone alive except imu in a 1v1 against mihawk, they would lose.
so mihawk>Roger? ok... ive seen enough for today haha
Never did I say this one time
@@sbthesage2100 of course you didnt. it would be insanely stupid. but youve implied it.
I got Roger rn, but it could change considering that the one thing Mihawk has that could (key word, “COULD”) trump Roger is his permanent black blade
We don’t even know what abilities it has that any other sword like Roger or Shanks’ don’t have, it can’t just be hard asl since all the 12 Supreme Blades are already considered to be the peak of sword craftmanship
SHANKS NUMBER ONE
the easiest video you can make
On god 😭 I seen UA-camrs make multiple videos on their channel on this same topic. Mihawk vs shanks is overall a fun debate and discussion. You could argue for hours about it
Mihawk stalemated vista just saying
And Zoro blocked one of kaido's attacks with one arm Just saying
@@mightguy3118 which he would have died from and it was literally said to be only for a sec? Both big mom and Kaido goes on to show way better feats individually which that was literally casually done
Shanks lost his arm to east blue fodder
@@princeofninese6431then he beat the allegations by stopping Akainu. Mihawk stalemated vista when him + Marco couldn’t stop Akainu but shanks did. And believe I do believe that shanks is overrated but he has more evidence of being stronger
@@rodneymcstah2973 I'm not talking about big mom and kaido's combined attack. Zoro blocked one of kaido's slash with one arm and was able to blizt and scar him pre king of hell and with 30 broken bones but I know you'd never try to say Zoro and kaido are relative 🤣 stop being biased
I think shakes would win because even though they’re on a relative level of strength, shanks right now, probably has the best control in mastery over haki and last time they fought was before Shanks lost his arm and he wasn’t at the time
Oda meat riding shanks by tryna make mihawk look weak
Pretty much
1:07 instantly disproved when he cuts the iceberg, he intended to cut Luffy and he missed yet why did the iceberg get cut? If attack did no damage then why did Jozu use his DF? if it was never going to cut him? Maybe you just don't want to admit a YC3 can tank his attacks.
1:33 "If you read the raw scans" nigga not you nor I can read japanese you have no clue what that says without running it through Google Translate.
1:36 "saying his power knows no bounds" when literally the translation you cherry picked doesn't say that at all. "I will not be merciful" which literally means I won't hold back.
On top of that he literally used the black blade which he only uses for challenges, otherwise he would've used his small dagger.
1:48 "Luffy being faster than Mihawk makes no sense"
Argue with Oda, if Lihawk could actually hit him he would've, just like how Kaido can hit Luffy in Onigashima despite the fact he can see the future. Yet much weaker Luffy still speed blitzes that bum.
"Zoro is still inferior to Mihawk" if anything there is no evidence that claims Zoro couldn't take his title after getting enma since even Kaido and Big Mom were scared of it. On top of that Lihawk can't even cut a YC3 or beat a YC4. when Zoro is easily YC1 he will shit on Lihawk.
"Insanely inconsistent" you made the mistake of assuming Mihawk isn't a fraud, an amateur oversight.
"It's pretty clear he wasn't going all out" why because he failed to damage him once or the fact that he got stalled after admitting "I won't hold back" 🤣🤣🤣
Even Kaido half asleep is one shotting a YC2 minimum yet bumhawk can't touch a YC4 😂😂 there's levels to this!
"We don't see him use any Haki" you're taking the piss, we don't see Marco using any Haki or Jozu yet they touch logias. We also don't see Vista use any Haki vs his fight with Lihawk since otherwise his blades would've turned black. Another anti feat for Lihawk who can't beat a YC4 not using haki 😭😭
"No named attacks" Rayleigh, WB, Sengoku never used named attacks either does that mean they never tried?🤓
Where's the rule that states every character has to name their attacks 👉📖 ?
2:40 no way he gassing up vista to make bumhawk look good 💀💀 not one ounce of shame from these hawktards
2:44 "vista has 0 anti feats" 🧢🧢 literally got offscreened by BB pirates in revenge war. Current status unknown. Bro literally disappeared and Bumhawk is still ducking him crazy. 😮
3:01 "I agreed to fight WB" - never even touched him 💀💀
"Mihawk has no interest in the war" That's why he said "I won't be merciful" right? 😭 or how he spawn camps east blue fodder but suddenly doesn't want to fight anyone competent? 🫵🤡
3:23 "🤓🤓 he's not scared he just doesn't want to fight" 😭😭 Shanks is arguably top 1 or 2 itv rn and yet bumhawk doesn't want to fight him but will fight a rookie from the east blue KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY BITCH 🤣🤣why he only go after fodder tho? 🤔🤣
4:18 literally Kaku is there and he has 0 swordsmen attacks he literally only uses DF amp on 6 powers. Instantly disproving this fanart to be taken seriously. Also lil bro put a fujitora clip in when he's not even in the fanart for "swordsmen" also him and law exclusively use their DF to fight so they are not considered swordsmen in the sense that they are under the umbrella of people that bumhawk is supposedly above despite defeating a whopping ZERO notable swordsmen in the entire history of one piece. It should be noted that anyone in the story not interested in such a bum title should not automatically scale under Lihawk since Lihawk has done nothing to prove he is WSS he never even beat shanks and to this day no one cares about his title enough to challenge him, in fact the only 2 in the story who ever offered to fight him he ducked both of them 🤣🤣
He is not beating the fraud allegations.
His title is simply a plot device for Zolo to have an excuse to fight him and for his character to exist it would be contriving if Luffy and Zoro both had Shanks as their end goal so he had to make a bum up for Zoro to fight.
Bumhawk never beating Shanks even when he was much weaker (pre yonko) should make this obvious since otherwise oda would have just written shanks to lose but he didn't cause he knows bumhawk is a fraud and will never scale above the MC's end goal and mentor.
5:07 "he wants a quiet life so he's not a fraud" makes zero sense when he frequently goes after east blue bum pirates and him being afraid of the yonkos triples down on the fraud allegations even more than they already are.
5:20 "only confirms that they fought previously" bumhawk hasn't fought him since he lost his arm 12+ years ago which was before he was even a yonko there's no evidence that claims he scales to current shanks besides "Sword Skill" 🤣🤣
6:25 "Luffy's end goal is PK" it literally isn't if you read past Wano 🤣🤣🤣 he has a separate dream after being PK which oda has added in last minute like the milker and inconsistent trash author he is. Also Shanks is his end goal since when he meets him he will return the straw hat thereby signaling the disbanding of the SH pirates since it wouldn't make sense for them to continue sailing without the straw hat. And just like Roger disbanding his own pirate crew was his last action as captain so will Luffy also do the same. Maybe if you didn't watch op entirely through YT shorts and ps videos you wouldn't sound like such a bumbling moron all the time.
Last but not least remove the black blade that's currently lodged in your rectal cavity and use your brain for once never cook again this was by far your worst video just trash take after trash take have some shame. 🫵🤡
The only thing on here that can instantly be proven in a debate is the translations and that’s just bc the editor messes up
This shit is hilarious tho
@@sbthesage2100I used to be a Lihawk fan too but after that Marineford performance it's just not the same 😔
Lol mihawk going all out in marineford makes no sense
shanks literally 1 shotted wano kid (in seconds)
-u really think mihawk, going all out, can't do the same to pretimeskip luffy?
If you say yes, just shows low comprehension skills
-if you say no then mihawk wasn't going all out in marineford......which makes alot of what u said.......useless
If you think Mihawk went all out at MarineFord and that's the best he can possibly do then current zoro should be low diffing him 💀
I think Shanks should be stronge because it's better for story narrative
So a Swordman being stronger than the world's strongest swordsman which is something Zoro has been chasing since the beginning of the series is good narrative?
No it isn’t it would be worse making Zoro’s goal that we are seeing him train for and fight for over 1000 episodes meaningless. If you want Shanks to be stronger than argue with Oda because he’s the one who keeps hyping up Mihawk and even the marines were saying for Mihawk and Shanks to never be allowed to fight each other because they’ll cause some big storms to the surrounding islands which should show you that they are both in the Yonko strength tier but Mihawk is stronger due to his black blade and for story purposes that Oda wrote about.
I don't wanna explain anything but clearly Shanks absolutely slams Mihawk and as sb said (i am saying my version)
However "SB the Sage" if u remove your Mihawk reading glasses and remove his d**k from your mouth u can clearly see why Shanks would be victorious.
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