I just realized what’s stopping adult naruto from making shadow clones and beating Kaido, Shanks, Whitebeard and Roger all at once? He has better attack potency, better healing, better stamina and sensory prowess.
1st Naruto isn’t so far above them stat wise for that to work if we’re talking about shippuden Naruto and conquerors haki would most likely dispel them due to them having have strong wills
@@RakuraiBladerKaido fought for like what a day on Onigashima and was tired while Naruto fought for 3 days straight in a war while amping thousands of Ninjas
Good video . But for Sasuke vs Gear 5 luffy, sasuke absorbed the chakra of failed beasts when he fought Naruto at the end which means he would be stronger and faster then the sasuke that fought kaguya and ten tails madara. Two Naruto would also get faster and stronger when he uses a shadow clone to absorb nature energy from his surroundings.
@@sbthesage2100also Luffy is immune to any all electric attacks as well as affects his surroundings including his opponents, energy and objects. There’s no way Luffy loses to Sasuke…
@@Ignoreduser No limits fallacy a Chidori wouldn’t dissipate on contact with Luffy’s skin he’s simply immune to electrocution. You also forget that the Chidori is literally a blade/cutting attack which Luffy is weak to I literally already replied with this exact same argument you’re just pulling things out your ass at this point lmao never was any of what you said stated in the manga
5.40 I'm pretty sure that in the databook it is stated that anything that comes out of the mirror is light speed. So haku comes out of the mirror and Naruto reacts to it
It is stated, that is true. However, the Raikage and Bee were both said to be near light speed, meaning kuubi amped naruto and resolve amped sasuke in land of waves scale above V1 Raikage and V1 Bee.
Also, six paths Naruto was narrowly able to dodge madaras light fang, meaning he is over light speed but not by much, which would also mean that land of waves amped Naruto and Sasuke are both on the same level as six paths Naruto.
Nah six path Naruto barely dodged light fang because he was held by limbo clones of madara .. Also haku itself not light speed he need to use a jutsu to become light speed@@justinbean1144
He kinda basied if am honest He has s06p naruto and Sasuke slower than kadio Who is 50 times light speed but he has kcm2 at 90 times light speed His video on naruto scaling are inconsistent Some video barely planetary Others Solar system Others universal Like he hasn't make his mind up kinda ironic how he claim Kuruma can't destroy the earth cuz no feats close.to that lvl When most statements character hasn't performed any feat close to it and there is 3 statements referring to that which make it consistent
@@lucionjones8685 bro sasuke isn't slower than kaido ......he is way more faster than kaido...and as for the naruto and sasuke scaling they are easily solar system level by the end of shippuden verse scaling ...as for the one piece I think they can be at best multi continental...
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj i agree with you he downplay naruto and sasuke like what kinda of logically person who think six paths sasuke is slower than kcm 2 naruto
Bro you naruto fans are alson extremely biased if your highballing naruto and susake you have to highball the one piece would which can get up to be universal+ if your counting uta.
How does teenage war arc Sasuke scale to an older version of himself in Naruto the last? Also on the high end, how would Kaguya's feats put Sasuke close to hers when he's outright inferior to her and has not once performed a feat on her level? You lost me on the later part of this video. Not to mention Kaguyas "feats" are highly debatable. but good video.
Sasuke surpassed Kaguya upon absorbing the Biju chakra and stated to be stronger than Kaguya as well. Also I know Kaguya’s feats are debatable and so are white beards I was just offering a high and low end for both characters tho I lean more towards the low end for sure
@@sbthesage2100 okay but isnt making and destroying your own pocket dimension a haxs thing not a ap scale??? or would we consider someone like caribou the strongest in the verse cos he has an infinite pocket dimension???, and i would not say white beards are at all when we see him holding back to not hurt hes crew and it still has side effects on the other side of the massive world
@@thedarkd6 lmao there's no way you're trying to come up with a way to make the one piece high end valid and the naruto high end seem bad either high ball both of them or lowball both of them simple. Bc the white beard statement and scaling would be equally as ass as the kaguya scaling
I personally disagree with Naruto vs Doffy fight. Saying that russenshuriken should hurt Doflamingo is absurd, Doflamingo has amazing haki controll allowing him infuse even his cloth in haki and seeing how Raikage was able to tank it using cloak which isn't even about durability at all, Doffy can tank it pretty easily with armament and espesially with awakening which can take russenshuriken for him and also can be infused with haki and Doflamingo also obtain observation haki, so unless he is nerfed by gamma knife, like he was fighting G4, Naruto ain't catching him, especially with his range and ability to fly. Saying that Thunder Bagua is just 9 times faster than light comparing them with light beams which were dodged by base Luffy 500 chapters ago is just crazy. Not only from your words, G2 Luffy from Sabaody arc should be able to easily dodge Thunder Bagua from Hybrid Kaido, you also litteraly brought all scalings from Doflamingo, Katakuri, gathered it together and just threw it off, saying that Thunder Bagua should scaled from those light beams and after that you brought Databook statements to wank Raikage to light speed and Naruto who litteraly did the same thing Luffy did to light beams from Pacifista - dodge. Scaling Kagyua from creating expansive TSO using chakra from almost entire Naruto verse and scaling Sasuke who couldn't deal with that TSO with Naruto and had to finish Kagyua before TSO if finished is just incorrect. That attack wasn't using Kagyua's power, that attack didn't even mean to destroy anyhting, and creating doesn't scale AP, otherwise why wouldn't we scale fodders like Mont D'Ore who was stated to be able to create parallel worlds (Universes from alternative translations) to multiversal? Long story short, if we count litteraly all arsenal of OP characters and won't simplify some crucial details about Naruto abilities, OP verse rocks Naruto. Not even talking about genjutsu problem, which is known to working only inside Naruto verse due to chakra pathway system.
Gamma knife and the Rasenshuriken have very little in common gama knife attacks your internal organs while the rasenshuriken is basically a fast acting cancer that attacks every cell in your body literally called a poison in the manga. So no Doffy isint just eating that shit lol moreover what is armament Haki going to help Doffy when the rasenshuriken is stated to not use conventional force to damage people. So at this point I’m beginning to think you don’t know how the jutsu actually works lol. As for the raikage tanking it tho I think kishimoto either didn’t remember how the technique worked causing a plot hole or that the raikage just regenerated really fast as an edo bc regenerating cells is probably faster than your actual body being completely destroyed but idk that may just be headcanon
@@sbthesage2100 Unlike Raseshuriken Gamma knife wasn't shown to be tanked by durability, it bypassed advanced haki layers of Kaido so nothing indicates that Raseshuriken would obtain the same property, especially facing haki which doesn't have cell and prevents body from touching attack, how exactly Raseshuriken will bypass haki? And don't forget obsevation haki and awakening. Doflamingo has observation haki accroding to vivre card which allows him to predict consequences of Raseshuriken hitting him and either dodge, or protect himself with awakeining which again has no cells and won't suffer from poison + can be infused with haki additionally. Two pillars of strings were able to easily tank double culevrine of G4 so blocking Rasenshuriken which relies too much on body weakness will have to overpower that, and it simpli too weak in power to bust through it like Luffy in G4 did. Bunch of headcanon to cover issues with Naruto scaling is indication of bias.
I don't have much issue with ap but I think one piece speed is being severely underestimated we see the likes of zoro and luffy dodging multiple lightspeed attacks in pre timeskip with kuma's attacks and foxy's beams respectively, we see iva and luffy also dodge Pacifista lasers in the war, and this is before they had observation haki, going into the timeskip luffy should clearly be ftl as i said in another comment he literally calls light beams slow we also see that he only dodges after the beams are fired and get close to him. This is supposed to be a parallel to kizaru blitzing luffy in the war and calling him slow now luffy is at the level where basic light beams are slow so clearly base luffy in timeskip is ftl and only gets way faster and should be mftl+ by gear 5.
I like the video, but I have two major problems. 1.) You essentially boil down a fight to speed and who can make a bigger crater. Meanwhile, ignoring literally everything else, like abilities, physical strength, environment, and reaction time. 2.) you prefer to go with data book statements and wonky translations over actual feats. For example Naruto was barely able to dodge a laser from Madara. Meanwhile Luffy easily avoided a laser from a robot. Both sides in the data books state these technique is light speed. This doesn’t automatically mean Post time skip Luffy is faster than end of series Naruto. It just means one piece characters with observation haki have better reaction time and won’t be able to be blitzed by Naruto despite him being way faster.
@@Fun_Is_Infiniteif you have watched it, then you will see naruto dodged the light fang at POINT BLANK. So to say naruto barely dodged it is insulting and a huge downplay compared to luffy who saw the attack coming from afar
@@Fun_Is_Infinite Also what this kid doesn’t understand that Naruto is already waayyyyy faster than light speed when Madara shoots the laser at him. Even Madara’s technique is likely way faster than the speed of light probably like a couple 100 times 🤷♂️ idk the exact amount tho I’m not tryna stay up all night 😂
Saying that Genjutsu would work on someone without chakra because a random woman in Naruto got genjutsu'd is a reach, as everyone in Naruto, Ninja or not, has Chakra.
This is not the case. Chakra is a mixture of spiritual and physical energy, which all people have, but needs to be actively kneaded or mixed. This is what shinobi do and what hagoromo taught. People dont just walk around with fully formed chakra inside them
@@numberhunter62 this only applies to special Genjutsu obtained through the Mangekyou like Kotoamatsukami. All the Mangekyou does to normal genjutsu is make them stronger, not change the way they work on a fundamental level.
@@maddhandles06no it’s not, that’s literally your headcanon. You would have to argue that Akainu was taking planetary strikes straight to the dome and you’d embarrass yourself if you tried to. The obvious interpretation is that he’d destroy the world overtime, and more so just referencing his potential to do damage with the fruit ability
@@Yoiyoi-ln3ko that’s not what she said she said she could flee to the ends of the earth and still not escape which dosent mean he can blow up the planet just that he could literally follow her around and she wouldn’t be able to escape bc of how his fruit creates tsunamis
Let's have an unexpected match up. Who would win, Kaido, the King of the Beasts, or goddamn Zygarde, the Pokemon of Order? Both are dragons, mythical and legendary, both have three forms with different abilities, and both are destructive. Here are some match up solely based on their similarities: Obito vs Katakuri: Both are near-untouchable Aang vs Ōnoki: Masters of elements and Wisdom. Sanji vs Shinra: Fire kickers. Aokiji vs Kyurem: Can freeze the world if they wanted to. Crocom- Crocodile vs Gaara: Darth Vader hates them. Kizaru vs Ultra Necrozma: Light beings. Tank vs Gargantuar: (Most unexpected) Zombie macho men. Luffy vs Plasticman: Imaginative stretchy bois. Zoro vs Atomic Samurai: SHING! SHING! SHING! Pain vs Big Mom: Soul manipulators Enel vs Luck Voltia: Battle-hungry sparky bois. Orochimaru vs Caesar Clown: Wicked scientists. Meroeleona vs Akainu: Merciless and too hot. Killer B vs Queen: Goodamn rappers and big bois. Odin vs Zeus: Mythological powerhouses (Refer to the actual mythologies). That's all I can think of.
@@bruhbruh9895 some of them are intricate and based on interpretation and others I don't know about some of the characters. The clear ones would be Shinra, Ultra Necrozma, Big Mom and Orochimaru.
And observation haki counters genjutsu Cos you can sense emotion how many people are around you can sense wickedness And Luffy learnt it with his eyes closed so even if he was under genjutsu he can still sense evil presenxe
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj when The Kages looked upon a giant meteor and sh*t themselves. Luffy dwarfed that an awhile ago, Zorro did the same later on and neither opponent was even B tier…
@@Ignoreduser brother the kages u are talking about are no where near the top tiers of Naruto verse...😂😂😂and you say that op is casually higher than Naruto verse than why are you comparing the OP high tier characters to low tier characters like war arc garra and tsuchikage. ..😂😂😂give me some real comparison...
15:30 hold on tho, this sasuke was keeping up with six paths naruto speed wise. And had juubidara call him fast, after having witnessed 8th gate guy speed. Not saying he’s that fast but juubidara acknowledging his speed as being fast would put him in or close to that tear of speed no?
Naruto is a lot higher than ftl. Also while he reflects he can also reflect outside the mirrors and he also gets pulled into the mirrors at light speed. He is speed blitzing everyone for a whileee
Ur bias really is showing tho. Implying luffy is 10x stronger In base than g4 because he drew blood from Katakuri there by implying they both have low country level Ap is such a wild implication especially considering u use the same crazy implication in logic that a 9 tails bomb is substantially weaker because it kicks up dust implying it is 100x weaker cause u think it’s pulverization and not vaporization. Crazy leaps in logic brother u gotta stay consistent on both sides😂 if luffy and Kat had that much AP the mirror world would be getting absolutely obliterated Katz siblings are literally 20 feet away watching the fight the whole time.
@@vellowta1867bro said Luffy would lose to a CHIDORI and didn’t even factor in the utility of Gear 5th. Nothing he said about Sasuke winning was true. He didn’t even factor in Kaido’s dragon form or anything.
About the genejustu. Don't every living animal in the naruto universe have charka networks? Those networks won't be in One Piece characters since their ancestors wasn't around when Hagoromo was giving people charka around the world. So no genjustu would not work on anyone outside of the naruto verse. Edit: Also, lighting don't work on Luffy.
Got to admit that this was a pretty interesting topic, though I will say that I disagree a bit on Sage Mode and KCM2 Naruto's AP. I won't touch SO6P Naruto's AP and scaling since the level of physicality for characters around that level is very possibly the most debatable thing in Naruto both in and out of the community, and you already brought up where I personally think those characters are at and you seem to think of it as overall valid, or at least you don't strongly disagree enough to actively debunk it. Now then, Sage Mode and KCM 2 Naruto are characters I do think are within the realm of Planetary level AP. The reason why is because in Naruto The Last, the Cloud village's Shinobi forces (minus Killer Bee and the Raikage themselves) were charging up a Chakra cannon that they believed was fully capable of destroying their world's moon, and while it was indeed hallow, they did not know this fact and so it is fair to assume that they believed the weapon could destroy a moon that isn't hallowed out. Even 50% of Kurama would heavily upscale from this Moon level Chakra cannon, as not only did he amp up the Cloud Shinobi forces by at least 3x of their power (basing it off of Kakashi stating that the Chakra cloak he got boosted him by that much if I'm remembering right), but Kurama had to have done this same feat around 5x over, assuming that during the War arc, each of the Hidden villages possessed the same amount of shinobi during the fight against the 10 Tails and not making the assumption that each of the villages' numbers could have surpassed the Cloud's forces during the movie. And Sage Mode Naruto would scale to this on a lesser level, since his attacks (at least his more powerful ones like the Giant Rasengan barrage and his Rasenshuriken) were capable of hurting 50% Kurama when the Uzumaki was trying to get KCM 1 during the War arc. So overall, I would say that Kurama at 50% of his full power being Small Planet level with his AP casually is pretty fair in my eyes, and at least KCM 2 Naruto should scale to this since he's obviously using this power for himself with Kurama's full cooperation and if you disagree with this line of thinking, I'm curious as to why.
Kaguya truth seeking orbs was going to expand over time to cover the time space she could not destroy it all in one attack so i dont see how people use that in naruto and sasuke ap scaling
Well even tho I don’t believe in this argument. As long as Kaguya scales to even a percentage of her truth seeking orb she’s 4D bc even .1% of infinite energy is still infinitely above any 3D level
@@sbthesage2100 with that kind of logic the random fodder she was pulling chakra from in order to create the truth seeking orb scale to universal because their power makes up a percentage of the truth seeking orb
This shouldn’t even be a debate honestly, the scaling is way too different, I’ve watched both anime and dispite OP being my favorite out of them, I think they just made Naruto verse just a little more op, not to mention all the hacks they have. And don’t get me wrong , devil fruits are definitely hacks but like I said the scaling is just way 2 different so I don’t like comparing the 2 honestly
itachi putting a random woman under genjutsu doesn't mean the victim doesn't need chakra due to the fact everyone has chakra in the naruto verse and if you don't then you are dead luffy dosent posess a chakra network or chakra in general😂
Not everyone in the Naruto verse has chakra this is literally stated no where. You actively have to be creating it. Also kishimoto tends to be liberal with the no chakra shit there’s been several examples of characters being “out of chakra” but being just fine
So I'm curious if you took the kind of attacks into consideration while talking. When you go to Naruto vs Lucci (up to that point I agreed with everything you said; like even if Naruto used 1K shadow clones he still couldn't deal with a logia, unless he had a scroll with a water attack but he didn't seem to carry those) you mentioned finger pistols, however Naruto instantly healed from a Chidori in the chest one he had that cloak and was able to use his chakra cloak at a distance too and by that time he had the Rasengan, which would definitely do serious damage to Lucci if he got hit by it. We have also seen the cloak be able to grab things too and move independently, so I think that could give anyone problems. While I'm also curious how powers translate (which makes this tough), because Sasuke could just put Luffy in a genjutsu as well and the defense against that is to disrupt your chakra flow. I guess Luffy would actually have a fortunate match up there because Sasuke's strongest attack, the chidori, is lightning based, so even if it is a piercing attack, which Luffy is vulnerable to, he'd be unaffected. Which just kinda brings up how a genjutsu counter would work. You also assumed that in Luffy vs Pain he went right to Gear 4 and right to his strongest attack initially before any of the Pains could act. Luffy doesn't typically start his fights off going into Gear 4 right away, didn't against Doflamingo. If the Pain that could absorb energy got a hold of him too he could undo Gear 4. I do think you'd have to play the fight out before it would get to that point, remember, if just 1 of the 6 paths of Pain could last before Gear 4 runs out Luffy is dead. This happened against Doflamingo and if Luffy has to deal with summons (without any of his own), the Pains reviving themselves, and dodging a punch of weapons along with gravitational powers (the other ones I don't think factor into combat, more support) I think they could. Then with Naruto vs Doflamingo, you compared his powers to Kakazu, however Kakazu couldn't do anything equivalent to his awakening. It then could go to if enough chakra could overpower the strings if Naruto got tied up. If we assume he could then he would almost certainly win It seems all your scenarios are just comparing power levels as opposed to techniques and fighting styles
Luffy should honestly be lightspeed by dressrossa, characters like katakuri and doffy are able to land hits on him which wouldn't be possible if they weren't faster than kizaru laser that luffy dodged with ease. Katakuri has even better observation and yet luffy was able to land hits on him meaning he as well should have lightspeed attacks. Also luffy literally calls the attacks slow in reference to kizaru blitzing him so to say it's simply aim dodge makes no sense with his statement which implies he is faster than the light beams
Predictive Dodging is not the same as Dodging. Pirates and others struggle with bullets without Haki. Sasuke can dodge with his Sharingan active, but without it he's getting touched( in some scenarios). Gazelle Man was faster than the Stawhats and he was only running 200mph, this is in Wano. Also Kizaru's Lazers aren't light speed, Kizaru is himself is Light Speed. His Lasers are focused in power instead of speed. They are as fast as bullets. Also the Pastafista Lasers are modeled after Kizaru's light powers. If Luffy is light speed then everyone he's fought and everyone who dodged the lasers have to be light speed also. The problem with that is the showings are just the opposite. So doesn't it make sense that no one but Kizaru is lightspeed and the top characters are faster than a speeding bullet?
@@kingdommccoy bruh what are you even saying "kizaru's lasers aren't lightspeed" like did you read what you typed? They are lasers do you know what lasers are? And they are light? It is like saying sound waves aren't sound speed. Y'all come up with the craziest nonsense just because you can't accept things, also you missed the point of what i was saying because it wasn't about the dodging it was about the speed of the attacks hitting despite of observation haki putting the speed of those attacks higher than the lasers
@@kingdommccoy also big difference between travel and combat speed, but of course you wouldn't know that. It's like comparing usain bolt to bruce lee, bolt is fast at running but bruce lee is fast at fighting that's luffy he fight's at lightspeed he doesn't travel at lightspeed
@@kingdommccoy also kizaru isn't capped at light speed his powers are lightspeed at base, and as we saw in his fight with snakeman he can accelerate so he is faster than light, and yes everyone luffy has fought seriously is faster than light doffy, katakuri, kaido etc
Even Pts Zoro was faster than light via his battle with Kuma dodging his paws which were stated to reflect at the speed of light and Zoro moved closer to Kuma while dodging 15+ paws
One thing you gotta consider is if we’re talking after Jiraiya weakened Naruto’s seal, kurama would step in and take over Naruto’s conscience before naruto dies. Also the ability to summon gamabunta.
"The kyuubi being able to turn the planet to ash isn't really viable to argue its planetary or multi continental because we arent given a time frame so to assume it can in 1 attack is unreasonable". >"Whitebeard has a statement that he can destroy the world so that could put luffy as high as star level 🤓🤡". I hope you can see why this line of logic is flawed, the whitebeard statement is quite literally no different from the kyuubi statement, we are given no indication that whitebeard could simply do this at any point with 1 attack. We arent given a time frame or anything that would help us quantify if that would actually make him star level so based off what we've seen wouldn't it be more reasonable to say whitebeard and therefore luffy caps out at continental?
10:45 "This is just because like with the orochimaru statement we're given 0 time frame or context for which the destruction could take place. Making it an insane leap in logic to assume kurama could simply point a bijuu bomb at the earth and blow it up in one shot. Given the ACTUAL feats that are displayed in the series." 16:05 " But can be scaled anywhere from planetary to star level if you think he's comparable to whitebeard, who's been stated to have the power to destroy the one piece world". My only question is why is the whitebeard statement even being accepted as defacto he can one shot the world and not having the same skepticism applied due to the fact of us not being given context nor a time frame?
@@salchichonportuano7874 incorrect whitebeard quite literally did not affect the entire world, the attack you're referring to only affected the areas near marineford like saboady. We didn't even see his attack having adverse effects on places like impel down which should be rather close and it definitely didn't affect anyone outside the grandline.
Genjustu will literally work on anyone even without chakra, it just depend on how resistant said character verse of the character are immune to illusion. The first genjustu used in naruto was done by kaguya, she literally use the infinite tsukiyomi which is literally a genjustu on a planetary scale as it utilizes the moon to reflect its light on the world and there was nothing like ninshu at the time because hagoromo was yet to be born. Hagoromo was the one who gave people chakra and taught them how to use it. Dude literally had disciples who went about teaching ninshu. Genjustu works by injecting your own chakra into the user and then channeling it to their sense organ to manipulate what they see, hear, taste, smell or touch. That's how genjustu works so it doesn't matter if you dont have chakra on not. Yhwach from bleach has an ability called the almighty which can allow him to literally see multiple future and he can not only see the future but can change the future with this hax. That's more broken than even any version of observation haki one piece will ever have and this dude was still affected by an illusion attack that can control his senses from aizen. Aizen literally affect this man senses and this is someone who can do insane things like attacking from the future, and changing the present with the future even revive himself in the future if he is killed. So saying observation haki will cancel out genjustu or illusion attack are pure copium and there had been no instance of any one piece character having resistant to illusion or mind attacks
Well it depends if he becomes a sand storm Naruto can’t do crap. Also depends on the location too. Luffy lost because croc was in his element and won because he wasn’t
@@Ignoreduser i have hard time believing that even in his logia form he would somehow survive that huge amount of water that gamabunta is capable of creating
@@joonaspenttila201 yes if he disperses himself enough it won’t matter unless you use Haki. Location matters with croc because he can also turn dirt and plant life into sand. He not an idiot so he’ll avoid being hit by water especially a big blast, croc is stronger than 12 year old Gaara and smarter.
@@Ignoreduser croc doesnt strike as smart he said mr 2 and mr 4 were stronger than mr 3 which obviously wasnt the case, tried killing mr 3 for no reason whats so ever he was still useful and that dumb choice came to bite him in the ass later, also not just finishing the strawhats him self was dumb but that can be chucked up as arrogance but still to me he seems below average in inteligent also he is not able to kill anyone i understand luffy surviving but he tried killing chaka 3 times and that man lived everytime so he probably cant kill kid naruto either especially when he has bs healing factor
one comment in the obito vs luffy fight obito could just put him in genjutsu bc you dont need chakara but i thought genjutsu controled a persons 5 senses and the only way to control them is bc of chakara you use chakara(the persons not your own) to control a persons 5 senses
Kcm does not amp Minato’s teleportation speed Minato’s flying raijin speed is independent of the speed he can move his body cos in flying raijin he doesn’t move his body he instantly teleports it
I love the video, I'm watching it on my TV and I like watching videos like this, but I feel the main thing people don't put in consideration is that the timeliness for them both is different. To explain it better luffy is having to get stronger within a shorter time frame than naruto, which if you don't know much about naruto, you can look this up on Google, naruto is around 32 in baroto, that's because narutos storyline is more stretched out than luffys, making is so that naruto us not having to get as strong throuout the series
I dont talk about things like this on a daily bases nor do I do things like this for UA-cam but I have watch both animes and have watch many videos like this so I personally think I can say things like that but I do want to know what yall think about what I have said cause I think if you look at it like I said it, it changes how you look at videos like this bit thus is just my opinion
Bro really think sasuke and Naruto are universal I guess they can box with a goku now bro let me prove you wrong it clearly say that kaguya was moving starts not making them and teen sasuke don’t even scale to kaguya I say sasuke at most is around the same level of AP of a luffy and luffy speed bliss and you didn’t even talk about Haki
One critique is, Luffy wasn’t aim dodging he was quite literally able to perceive and dodge light attacks, we don’t even need to use that as Luffy was dodging photons in the water 7 saga. So yeah luffys easily ftl pre timeskip, I don’t wanna get into attack power just wanted to put that out there
@@sbthesage2100 no reason to believe they wouldn’t be ftl in all categories, it’s because of how consistent it is and Luffy dodging foxys photons pre time skip and while I don’t think Luffy was ftl at this point it’s to show how perpetually it happens. Luffy would be ftl around thriller bark as zoro who is weaker than him was dodging kumas paw cannons which were stated to move at light speed.
@@sbthesage2100 if a persons body physically can’t move after perceiving something than they can’t dodge it and Luffy even post timeskip can physically move his arm out of the way of a lightspeed beam, it would make no sense for the characters you mention that are ftl at certain points in the story because I can just say they are dodging attacks. Calcs aren’t always needed and unless it’s out of context a character dodging a lightspeed attack makes them that fast, you realize this bro
@@Ignoredusera chidori would still pierce luffy, it’s not just the electricity that makes it so strong but the force and impact of the blade, hence the name lightning blade. Luffy is weak to blades I.e. katakuris blade much less sasukes chidori that turn a meteor bigger that the leaf village to dust. The sheer destructive force would kill him but he wouldn’t be affected by the electricity.
@@KK-uw4uu the bad faith is soooooo staggering I contemplated responding. We aren’t talking “base” Luffy, which arguably wouldn’t lose to being stabbed by an electric knife, but 5th Gear Sun God Nika Luffy. At this point logic and reason is out the window, y’all pretend that it’s the same Luffy that fought Buggy (it’ll be like saying since Naruto and Sasuke lost to Lee easily to Lee in hand to hand combat that is their weakness). Y’all making judgments either based on bad faith or ignorance just make y’all look bad.
I don't watch op but shouldn't the rubber person be capable of surviving needles from a person unwilling to kill in the first place. There's no implication that the needles were different from normal senbon (no poison/barbs/etc.), and the rubber body is passive while jutsu require chakra meaning he could win on survivability.
Another W video as always I agree with mostly everything that you discussed in the video one thing is that maybe Luffy’s toon force could help him overcome the huge strength gap with rinne Sasuke like he could probably just completely peel of his susanoo as we’ve seen him even make contact and manipulate stuff that’s normally intangible and since Luffy’s starting to augment reality such as spawning random objects out of nowhere I wonder if stuff like that would translate in these types of fights. I would still give the w to Sasuke atm until we see more of Luffy’s toon force and when Luffy gets stronger in general
There's no way Luffy's just gonna go straight and use King Kong Gun against the six paths of Pain that's way too OC pain's hax will probably catch him off guard
how did u get naruto to mftl when hes keeping up with a minato who isnt using flying raijin minato is possibly relativistic in base without flying raijin there is no way to accurately scale naruto to mftl in kcm2 without wanking
Every time naruto uses kurama’s chakra is gets stronger every use so land of waves nine tails chakra Naruto isn’t town level yet and probably way below that since haku holds back a lot
Tankability and speed goes to one piece. AP and DC goes to Naruto. Everyone in the naruto verse learns combat in school while only the marines and groups like the samurai are trained in the one piece verse. Most pirates learn from experience, only a few have devil fruits and haki. This is why the groups with the most haki and devil fruit users have the highest bounties, your average marine isn’t doing a thing. Meanwhile most jonin in naruto have mastered two or three chakra natures and are proficient in genjutsu and taijutsu. But at the same time the amount of people that can take out a mountain is more in one piece. Overall the top tiers in naruto verse are planet conquerers/destroyers and the top ninja fighting them and aside from the famous statement about whitebeard, Imu has taken out a country and and the godvalley incident is all they have to show.
Isn't Genjutsu created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, if that's the case then how would you control someones chakra flow if they don't have chakra. But idk if I'm right, I want to know your thoughts
This was kind of implied by jiraiya, but other feats and statements from more proficient genjutsu users retcon his statement. Specifically sharingan genjutsu bypass this
@@Ignoreduser when does observation haki give resistance to hyposis? Genjutsu is never "useless" and is inly ever resisted by people with specific counters like dojutsu or having a tailed beast or very good chakra control
You're just comparing stats. you ain't talking about how they go about the fight cause Naruto would usually be using hella tricky with the clones there's been multiple times he's tricked people with it especially during part 1.and you dont talk about the stamina too. Ain't tryna hate just saying cause a lotta people do this when it comes to vs battles people just forget that when doing these you also got to take that into consideration
@@sbthesage2100 no u didn’t u said he has ls reaction from a post ts feat ur NEVER mentioned pre ts when he outran the light beams in gear 2 u clearly dont kno what ur talking about like i said ur lowballing luffys speed hes been ftl sense pre ts and zoro out sped kumas paws also light speed and they dont slow down so ur wrong
@@vellowta1867 Luffy never outran any lasers in the manga wtf are you talking about 😭 he’s only ever evaded or dodged lasers until we see him fight kizaru stop watching anime and forming opinions based on videos Tylearned made years ago lmao dodging things dosent equal combat speed period cope about it
@@sbthesage2100no he outran the lazers 🤣 in manga i have the pannel and kizaru isnt light speed hes well beyond it hes faster than a snake man luffy who is well beyond light speed so again ur wrong stop tryna to push ur claims as facts because ur wrong and its sad
Kurama could destroy the Naruto world at FULL POWER. The bijuu bomb used as an example was from a casual KCM2 Naruto that only had 50% of Kurama. Huge misconception, but other than that and the speed scaling which honestly I can't definitively say is accurate or not, it was a good video.
When hokage naruto suffered chakra disease, he can dodge photon blast without chakra spontaneously. Naruto dying is FTL. Luffy after timeskip can dogde PX5's photon blast ,luffy need haki to predict it. It's huge gap power scaling.
@@Star-lord_25not true ignorance fallacy fatigued Zoro was dodging lightspeed pad canons effortlessly in thriller bark pre time skip and Luffy and half of the crew were dodging pacifists beams in Saboady in pre time skip before Luffy and the crew even knew what haki was. Lol you picked Boruto Naruto for your argument like you were spitting when one piece characters have been dodging and combatting light in pre time skip hell even Deadbeard was reacting and attacking Kizaru in Marineford
Bro how luffy can win in 4th great ninja war if he can't use sealing jutsu to kill those edo tensei, imagine hashirama spam thousand of Buddha's palm on luffy without worrying on his chakra because it's unlimited and also his stamina I don't think luffy can manage to survive that because throughout the day they fight luffy's stamina will most likely drain and differently lose💀
These comparisons really show just how garbage Naruto’s power system is. The more fleshed out, creative and constant a power system is.. the more poor it compares to a system where “oh, I can create a bomb that destroys GALAXIES” Dragon Ball is by far the worst. “Haha, I tap my desk and reality crumbles” So creative! Naruto comes second in garbage power systems. Lmao.
Rubber is highly resistant to day to day electricity, but that resistance breaks down once the other user starts putting out multiple kilovolts of power. Real lighting is producing millions of volts. Luffy won due to plot armor and hax
How the fuck does Naruto win any of these fights especially starting from Doffy 😭, doffy lost to an island level attack which Naruto does not have in his arsenal. & you miscalculated doffy fruit and abilities it’s nothing like kakuzu ability , doffy can create strings from touch and use the surrounding to turn into strings , he can stretch and manipulate stings so small no eye can see unless you have haki. No jutsu Naruto has is stronger than luffy physical AP , Luffy has battled a lightning speed & God opponent in the skypie ARC , Naruto battled his first lightning speed opponent in his last arc. The difference in power is so massive it not even funny anymore ,
But would luffy be able to figure out how to kill pain? They have infinite chakra and immortal even if you claim luffy is no diffing. I don’t see luffy being smart enough to finding where the real one is without wearing out. Also are we even giving luffy the information of them not being the real pain?
@@tsuki90210 the video could have been made better In hindsight but I was really tired I’m ngl 💀 editing scripting and recording is really hard and tiring so I cut corners where I shouldn’t have I apologize
@sbthesage2100 Good video, there is one speed inconsistency I noticed that I’m kind of surprised no one has brought up? At the start of the Post Time Skip section of the video (G4 vs Pein) you say G4 is 10x the G2 speed that was already calculated to be 5x lighting. But this G2 calc was for pre time skip G2 Luffy? His post time skip base and thus his post time skip G2 should be several magnitudes higher right?
WHAT IF? There will be a MULTIVERSE in Anime and Manga world where these anime characters will meet and fight or battling together against powerful evil opponent? Anything is possible. Especially that these anime/manga were all fictional characters and fictional story. What if Kishimoto and Oda through powerful businessman producer come up with an idea of this MULTIVERSE adventures between Shinobi’s and Pirates.
Luffy base stats do not go up vs katakuri. The fact is that katakuri has weak durability due to not being used to getting hit. Its the bad side of all that trainning to be perfect. If you re watch the fight Luffy probably didn’t even landed more than 10 attacks in total. What changed is that luffy was training/improving more his will than his observation soo in fact his haki got stronger* during that fight.
Wherever you got that text from its 100% false (13:30) The actual translation is this: Emitting light from the eyes to dazzle the enemy, seizing the opportunity and charging at high speed. Unleashing a flurry of sparks and delivering devastating consecutive strikes! Here is the vivre card text if you want to translate it yourself: 目から光を放ち敵の目をくらませ、隙を突き高速で突進。火花散る超威力の連撃を叩き込む!! Also canonically vegapunk (who is smarter than judge) could only crack laser technology after teaming up with kizaru to produce ls lasers, meaning juge's lasers would most likely come from the same source seeing as they were comrades back in the day and judge is just not smart enough to produce it on his own.
Yeah no sasuke landing a hit on a g5 luffy using toon force that’s more than 5 times his speed? The same luffy that can change his mass, shape, form at any time?
Genjutsu doesn’t work on people without chakra. All humans in Naruto have some level of chakra, so itachi using genjutsu on that woman isn’t an example of genjutsu working on someone without chakra. Kaguya is also nowhere near universal level. There’s no evidence she made those dimensions nor that they contain multiple celestial bodies.
I believe it boils down to the chosen ones vs the sun god. Toon Force destroys, its what Tom and Jerry have taught us over the years. You sum that with haki. Im sorry but Luffy vs Sasuke is not fair. Luffy takes the w for sure. You said Izanagi right, what about future sight? And if sasuke throws a detonating massive attack like Indra's arrow. Guess what. Luffy is just gonna reflect it, its just to show the ridiculusness of a man that literally caught and was swinging in lightning. Edit: I respectfully disagree, but also I have a bias towards toon force so 😂🤷🏽
Sage, you continue to impress me. This is a fantastic what if scenario and i can't wait to jump into the video but Logia might give Naruto issue unless verse is equalized.
I just want to say that one piece has still not ended so for all we know Luffy could become stronger than Naruto in his prime or Naruto before he got nerfed
You massively downplayed Pain, man's a tactician and also has access to every base element release, including water release. I'm not saying he's winning, but he's certainly gunna make Luffy fight for that win even if Luffy's AP is higher on paper
for gara vs alabasta luffy, you say he would be dead before he could release chukaku, luffy was never the type of person to kill, not he ever killed someone in the series, once gara gets overwhelmed chukaku is gonna comeout even if gara gets lots of damage (2k naruto barrage situation)
Adult naruto no Baryon mode is star level with MFTL+ speeds. aka massively faster than light. around 100-500x faster than light. Baryon mode naruto solar system level with inaccessible speeds. By catching shiiki's robs. Oskustki shiiki stores his robs in a timely dimension and he grabs the robs from that dimension and uses them. It requires inaccessible speeds. And naruto caught them and didnt move an inch ●. And sasuke rinnegan & mangekyou sharingan couldn't even see it. And kid sasuke from og naruto kid sasuke just alone his base sharingan can see light speed attacks. Stated in manga btw. Obviously rinnegan & mangekyou can see MFTL+ attacks aka 100-500 faster than light attacks. Sasuke couldn't even see the robs naruto effortlessly caught. And broke btw. ●also Baryon mode brains your life force so its ggs. Luffys stamina problems been pretty bad. Been like that since dressrosa arc. Where he passess out & hes helpess and without some1 there hes dead. Sleeps mid fight btw. I sh1t aint flying in other verses. Especially in a 1v1💀☠️ luffy has a huge stamina problems. bro naruto in shippuden fought for 3 days straight while giving his chakra away to the whole alliance lol💀 👉💠Btw in naruto the last movie toneri otsutsuki effortlessly spliced the moon in half. And threatened to Destroy the Earth. Toneri said to naruto "ill destroy u and the earth 🌎 " basically naruto 1 punched this man. And cracked the surface of the moon. And Naruto ran through the same attack that split the moon in half clean cut in half btw. And this one was at full power. Naruto ran through that attack that literally split the moon. And splice attack btw too. And this is just teen naruto before hes hokage. A weaker naruto than hokage & baryon. ●literally thats was planetary statements. And moon level feats. ● bruh no onepiece Villian has threatened the earth. And countrys. ●bro kaido. Whitebeard, roger is like the strongest characters & they have like island level attack Potency. ●literally imu the top the strongest. She has the ancient weapons that are like the strongest. Thats has to be hidden from everybody 😂● bro literally the ancient weapon that sabo was scared asf how . Was a island destroyint weapon. Its literally just a island destroyer.💀☠️ ● bro nobody in one piece has any of the feats in naruto the last movie💀☠️ bro how can threatened to destroy the planet or destroy the moon in onepiece? And those are foddar characters comapred to boruto. Naruto the last movie. Btw Baryon mode id compared to Timeskip boruto btw boruto can literally rotate the fkn earth with his fkn wind☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀. Boruto has time space ninjujustu. Bro can literally teleport into a different time space and otsutsuki's have the same ability btw. By default. Otsutsukis literally conquerors solar systems. Naruto & sasuke are fighting & beating these beings bro. These are all star level fights. How can onepiece island-contient level characters compete?? Its based off feats & power scaling btw not just me assuming. I watch & like way more one piece than boruto btw. Its just the difference is so obvious. Research what they both can do. And both their feats & scaling
Naruto Wood scale pretty well to be on the clue of the one piece story just imagine how much stronger he would be from mass Haki he will definitely have all three forms and could learn them possibly even faster than Luffy
Sasuke killing Luffy with a chidori is objectively false, electricity is literally doesn’t work on him also with Luffy’s observation haki he’d know not to look Sasuke in the eye and wouldn’t need too.
No limits fallacy a Chidori wouldn’t dissipate on contact with Luffy’s skin he’s simply immune to electrocution. You also forget that the Chidori is literally a blade/cutting attack which Luffy is weak to And where are you getting that observation Haki would help Luffy not look Sasuke in the eye lmao there’s literally 0 way to prove this is possible future sight and observation require intense focus and are usually used in the heat of battle and there’s plenty of instances where Luffy has failed to use it at the beginning of fight or even at all bc of how much focus it requires
lol the power comes from the electrical attack, so you are saying he’d lose to a Knife? Or can be blocked by black flames? Even if black flames could work on him, he could literally use anything to combat him. You literally said he has lightning fast reflexes so how will he be put under genjutsu? Observation haki literally gives you heighten awareness and future sight as well.
bro is saying chidori is working on luffy when it gets nullifyied and bro susano gets nullified by gaint mode gear five and his awaking powers not just how sauske and use this and that ur glayzing narutos verse hard asf and ur talking about doffy and kakuzu or whatever the dude is if u seen the same one peice i seen they dont even use ther powers the same like naruto gets cooked by the one peice verse till he gets sixth paths and bro reacting to light attacks meaniing luffy and the pacifista and if naruto throws a light speed punch at luffy thats a light speed attack witch he can dodge like fr with future sight and luffys haki from after wano or even the fight with kaido bro ur glazing trying to give them a chance and even luffy and haku i feel is wrong because we have really no feets to prove she is anywhere near kakashi and making the watewr dragon she never even did it or nothing put the ice mirrors cuz her gekigenkai and sauske wit base sharingan was low key cooking her so luffy getting nettles from don kerige those big ass ones compared to sebons cmon
Feel like it would have been better to scale dressrosa Luffy to sub rel by scaling him off thriller bark Zoro's feats as the scaling in the video relies on a definition of power that isn't very commonly used and its a bit of a calc stack
7:35 you can actually get gear 4 Luffy to Multi continental because the last major fight right before Doffy is Don ging Joa who could split an ice continent in a single blow casually and Luffy in Gear 3rd was relative to that level strength and the speed scaling for post timeskip Luffy i believe to be Mftl off upscaling from pre Timeskip Zoro who could evade Kuma's compressed air attacks at a very close distance and his palms compress air at the speed of Light!
Splitting a continent dosent make you Continental what kinda logic is that lmao I’ve seen calcs for the feat they’re no where near continental. also that was prime chin jao not the one Luffy was fighting.
@@sbthesage2100 appreciate you for taking the time to reply to comment 🤠 , guess I miss understood that feat he accomplished, he just did it with such ease and yeah that is him at his prime.
his son don sai has the power to split the continent stated by don chinjao himself and hes literal fodder to base luffy. they split a continent that was stronger than steel, he said his men could stay there for years with blow torches and axes and wouldnt even dent the ice continent@@sbthesage2100
@@kayasantebennett447 check every calc for the feat it's moon level due to how fast the feat was performed an how much kinetic energy the attack outputs
0:54 yeah because Buggy would stomp Naruto. All hail Buggy the next Pirate King!
Shhh don’t tell them the secret bro
@@sbthesage2100 as a one piece 🍖rider i can admit this video is accurate🔥video bro keep up the good work
God D. Ussop easily defeats prime White beard and Roger
@@Jumperz-n4z i have a question. u know the pain fight with luffy right? how can gear 4 luffy counter almighty push?
Yeah no 😂
Swapped fights debates are more interesting that normal vs debates, change my mind.
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Agreed.
As there are situations where a certain character will do better than another. Simply based on their current progress and abilities.
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Kcm2 having less ap than Katakuri is fucking wild😭😭😭
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The "G" is Rebron.
Ain't no way
@@Far-iahabsolutely insane fr 😂
Why does kcm2 Naruto have better AP tho bc you said so ?
I just realized what’s stopping adult naruto from making shadow clones and beating Kaido, Shanks, Whitebeard and Roger all at once? He has better attack potency, better healing, better stamina and sensory prowess.
I don't know if all of them do, but I know Kaido, Shanks and Roger use Conqueror's Haki, so (I believe) that would dispel the clones.
1st Naruto isn’t so far above them stat wise for that to work if we’re talking about shippuden Naruto and conquerors haki would most likely dispel them due to them having have strong wills
No he doesn't??? The hell do you mean? 💀
@@MoonS4444 I just realized the absurdity of his statement; ain't no way Naruto has more stamina than Kaido for example.
@@RakuraiBladerKaido fought for like what a day on Onigashima and was tired while Naruto fought for 3 days straight in a war while amping thousands of Ninjas
Good video . But for Sasuke vs Gear 5 luffy, sasuke absorbed the chakra of failed beasts when he fought Naruto at the end which means he would be stronger and faster then the sasuke that fought kaguya and ten tails madara. Two Naruto would also get faster and stronger when he uses a shadow clone to absorb nature energy from his surroundings.
Yeah you just can’t quantify how much faster he is numerically which is why I didn’t make any assumptions
@@sbthesage2100you can't numerically quantify a lot of speed amps anyway
@@sbthesage2100 7:24 did you know six tailed beast bomb was calc to reach island to country level
@@sbthesage2100also Luffy is immune to any all electric attacks as well as affects his surroundings including his opponents, energy and objects. There’s no way Luffy loses to Sasuke…
@@Ignoreduser No limits fallacy a Chidori wouldn’t dissipate on contact with Luffy’s skin he’s simply immune to electrocution. You also forget that the Chidori is literally a blade/cutting attack which Luffy is weak to
I literally already replied with this exact same argument you’re just pulling things out your ass at this point lmao never was any of what you said stated in the manga
5.40 I'm pretty sure that in the databook it is stated that anything that comes out of the mirror is light speed. So haku comes out of the mirror and Naruto reacts to it
It is stated, that is true. However, the Raikage and Bee were both said to be near light speed, meaning kuubi amped naruto and resolve amped sasuke in land of waves scale above V1 Raikage and V1 Bee.
Also, six paths Naruto was narrowly able to dodge madaras light fang, meaning he is over light speed but not by much, which would also mean that land of waves amped Naruto and Sasuke are both on the same level as six paths Naruto.
Nah six path Naruto barely dodged light fang because he was held by limbo clones of madara ..
Also haku itself not light speed he need to use a jutsu to become light speed@@justinbean1144
@@justinbean1144or Madara’s attack is just ftl and we should just do composite scaling
Never we’re the words “everything that comes out of the mirrors is light speed” you literally just made that up
I don’t know how he’s calculating speed of Naruto and sasuke 😂😂😂
He kinda basied if am honest
He has s06p naruto and Sasuke slower than kadio
Who is 50 times light speed but he has kcm2 at 90 times light speed
His video on naruto scaling are inconsistent
Some video barely planetary
Others Solar system
Others universal
Like he hasn't make his mind up kinda ironic how he claim
Kuruma can't destroy the earth cuz no feats close.to that lvl
When most statements character hasn't performed any feat close to it and there is 3 statements referring to that which make it consistent
@@lucionjones8685 bro sasuke isn't slower than kaido ......he is way more faster than kaido...and as for the naruto and sasuke scaling they are easily solar system level by the end of shippuden verse scaling ...as for the one piece I think they can be at best multi continental...
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj i agree with you he downplay naruto and sasuke like what kinda of logically person who think six paths sasuke is slower than kcm 2 naruto
@@lucionjones8685 exactly...and as for the ap and dc even kcm2 naruto way outscales kaido or ant op character......
Bro you naruto fans are alson extremely biased if your highballing naruto and susake you have to highball the one piece would which can get up to be universal+ if your counting uta.
How does teenage war arc Sasuke scale to an older version of himself in Naruto the last? Also on the high end, how would Kaguya's feats put Sasuke close to hers when he's outright inferior to her and has not once performed a feat on her level? You lost me on the later part of this video. Not to mention Kaguyas "feats" are highly debatable. but good video.
Sasuke surpassed Kaguya upon absorbing the Biju chakra and stated to be stronger than Kaguya as well. Also I know Kaguya’s feats are debatable and so are white beards I was just offering a high and low end for both characters tho I lean more towards the low end for sure
@@sbthesage2100 okay but isnt making and destroying your own pocket dimension a haxs thing not a ap scale??? or would we consider someone like caribou the strongest in the verse cos he has an infinite pocket dimension???, and i would not say white beards are at all when we see him holding back to not hurt hes crew and it still has side effects on the other side of the massive world
@@thedarkd6 lmao there's no way you're trying to come up with a way to make the one piece high end valid and the naruto high end seem bad either high ball both of them or lowball both of them simple. Bc the white beard statement and scaling would be equally as ass as the kaguya scaling
I personally disagree with Naruto vs Doffy fight. Saying that russenshuriken should hurt Doflamingo is absurd, Doflamingo has amazing haki controll allowing him infuse even his cloth in haki and seeing how Raikage was able to tank it using cloak which isn't even about durability at all, Doffy can tank it pretty easily with armament and espesially with awakening which can take russenshuriken for him and also can be infused with haki and Doflamingo also obtain observation haki, so unless he is nerfed by gamma knife, like he was fighting G4, Naruto ain't catching him, especially with his range and ability to fly.
Saying that Thunder Bagua is just 9 times faster than light comparing them with light beams which were dodged by base Luffy 500 chapters ago is just crazy. Not only from your words, G2 Luffy from Sabaody arc should be able to easily dodge Thunder Bagua from Hybrid Kaido, you also litteraly brought all scalings from Doflamingo, Katakuri, gathered it together and just threw it off, saying that Thunder Bagua should scaled from those light beams and after that you brought Databook statements to wank Raikage to light speed and Naruto who litteraly did the same thing Luffy did to light beams from Pacifista - dodge.
Scaling Kagyua from creating expansive TSO using chakra from almost entire Naruto verse and scaling Sasuke who couldn't deal with that TSO with Naruto and had to finish Kagyua before TSO if finished is just incorrect. That attack wasn't using Kagyua's power, that attack didn't even mean to destroy anyhting, and creating doesn't scale AP, otherwise why wouldn't we scale fodders like Mont D'Ore who was stated to be able to create parallel worlds (Universes from alternative translations) to multiversal?
Long story short, if we count litteraly all arsenal of OP characters and won't simplify some crucial details about Naruto abilities, OP verse rocks Naruto.
Not even talking about genjutsu problem, which is known to working only inside Naruto verse due to chakra pathway system.
Gamma knife and the Rasenshuriken have very little in common gama knife attacks your internal organs while the rasenshuriken is basically a fast acting cancer that attacks every cell in your body literally called a poison in the manga. So no Doffy isint just eating that shit lol moreover what is armament Haki going to help Doffy when the rasenshuriken is stated to not use conventional force to damage people. So at this point I’m beginning to think you don’t know how the jutsu actually works lol. As for the raikage tanking it tho I think kishimoto either didn’t remember how the technique worked causing a plot hole or that the raikage just regenerated really fast as an edo bc regenerating cells is probably faster than your actual body being completely destroyed but idk that may just be headcanon
@@sbthesage2100 Unlike Raseshuriken Gamma knife wasn't shown to be tanked by durability, it bypassed advanced haki layers of Kaido so nothing indicates that Raseshuriken would obtain the same property, especially facing haki which doesn't have cell and prevents body from touching attack, how exactly Raseshuriken will bypass haki? And don't forget obsevation haki and awakening. Doflamingo has observation haki accroding to vivre card which allows him to predict consequences of Raseshuriken hitting him and either dodge, or protect himself with awakeining which again has no cells and won't suffer from poison + can be infused with haki additionally. Two pillars of strings were able to easily tank double culevrine of G4 so blocking Rasenshuriken which relies too much on body weakness will have to overpower that, and it simpli too weak in power to bust through it like Luffy in G4 did.
Bunch of headcanon to cover issues with Naruto scaling is indication of bias.
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@@manlight5035buddy doffy isn’t tanking it.
@@era9900 If Raikage did, who has no feats in durability at all, Doflamingo does it easily considering how much he tanked in comparison with Raikage
I don't have much issue with ap but I think one piece speed is being severely underestimated we see the likes of zoro and luffy dodging multiple lightspeed attacks in pre timeskip with kuma's attacks and foxy's beams respectively, we see iva and luffy also dodge Pacifista lasers in the war, and this is before they had observation haki, going into the timeskip luffy should clearly be ftl as i said in another comment he literally calls light beams slow we also see that he only dodges after the beams are fired and get close to him. This is supposed to be a parallel to kizaru blitzing luffy in the war and calling him slow now luffy is at the level where basic light beams are slow so clearly base luffy in timeskip is ftl and only gets way faster and should be mftl+ by gear 5.
I like the video, but I have two major problems.
1.) You essentially boil down a fight to speed and who can make a bigger crater. Meanwhile, ignoring literally everything else, like abilities, physical strength, environment, and reaction time.
2.) you prefer to go with data book statements and wonky translations over actual feats.
For example Naruto was barely able to dodge a laser from Madara. Meanwhile Luffy easily avoided a laser from a robot. Both sides in the data books state these technique is light speed. This doesn’t automatically mean Post time skip Luffy is faster than end of series Naruto.
It just means one piece characters with observation haki have better reaction time and won’t be able to be blitzed by Naruto despite him being way faster.
Lol barely Dodged? 😂😂 Watch the anime first kid.
@@Kiyotaka302whilst i'm gettong to Naruto and finished One Piece, i have to say that "watch the anime" is not an arguement
@@Fun_Is_Infiniteif you have watched it, then you will see naruto dodged the light fang at POINT BLANK. So to say naruto barely dodged it is insulting and a huge downplay compared to luffy who saw the attack coming from afar
@@olagokeemmanuel9625 Hmm... Good point
@@Fun_Is_Infinite Also what this kid doesn’t understand that Naruto is already waayyyyy faster than light speed when Madara shoots the laser at him. Even Madara’s technique is likely way faster than the speed of light probably like a couple 100 times 🤷♂️ idk the exact amount tho I’m not tryna stay up all night 😂
Saying that Genjutsu would work on someone without chakra because a random woman in Naruto got genjutsu'd is a reach, as everyone in Naruto, Ninja or not, has Chakra.
In the Itachi novel, itachi put a bee on genjutsu and the bee doesn't have chakra because hogoromo only distributes humans to chakra
@@cjmatrix7366light novels aren’t canonically written by kishimoto
This is not the case. Chakra is a mixture of spiritual and physical energy, which all people have, but needs to be actively kneaded or mixed. This is what shinobi do and what hagoromo taught. People dont just walk around with fully formed chakra inside them
@@egg3282They are part of the canon timeline
@@Farenhyte- no it has no canonic authority or authorization from kishimoto.
The way sharingan genjutsu works is by injecting the Sharingan users chakra into the target through the eyes.
That's not the base Sharingan genjutsu, that's specifically the Mangekyo.
@@numberhunter62 it's Sharingan period fam
@@kingdommccoy No, with base Sharingan your opponent needs Chakra to manipulate their senses. With the Mangekyo they don't need any.
@@numberhunter62 this only applies to special Genjutsu obtained through the Mangekyou like Kotoamatsukami.
All the Mangekyou does to normal genjutsu is make them stronger, not change the way they work on a fundamental level.
@@numberhunter62 I gotta look that up. You might be right. If I’m wrong you got it
Question, isn’t the whitebeard statement meant as if he went from island to island? Not in one hit? Correct me if I’m wrong
Depends on your interpretation I just wanted to present the scale but I personally don’t take the statement at face value
No it’s all at once
Tsuru literally said his shockwaves can cover the world
@@maddhandles06no it’s not, that’s literally your headcanon. You would have to argue that Akainu was taking planetary strikes straight to the dome and you’d embarrass yourself if you tried to. The obvious interpretation is that he’d destroy the world overtime, and more so just referencing his potential to do damage with the fruit ability
@@Yoiyoi-ln3ko that’s not what she said she said she could flee to the ends of the earth and still not escape which dosent mean he can blow up the planet just that he could literally follow her around and she wouldn’t be able to escape bc of how his fruit creates tsunamis
Let's have an unexpected match up. Who would win, Kaido, the King of the Beasts, or goddamn Zygarde, the Pokemon of Order? Both are dragons, mythical and legendary, both have three forms with different abilities, and both are destructive.
Here are some match up solely based on their similarities:
Obito vs Katakuri: Both are near-untouchable
Aang vs Ōnoki: Masters of elements and Wisdom.
Sanji vs Shinra: Fire kickers.
Aokiji vs Kyurem: Can freeze the world if they wanted to.
Crocom- Crocodile vs Gaara: Darth Vader hates them.
Kizaru vs Ultra Necrozma: Light beings.
Tank vs Gargantuar: (Most unexpected) Zombie macho men.
Luffy vs Plasticman: Imaginative stretchy bois.
Zoro vs Atomic Samurai: SHING! SHING! SHING!
Pain vs Big Mom: Soul manipulators
Enel vs Luck Voltia: Battle-hungry sparky bois.
Orochimaru vs Caesar Clown: Wicked scientists.
Meroeleona vs Akainu: Merciless and too hot.
Killer B vs Queen: Goodamn rappers and big bois.
Odin vs Zeus: Mythological powerhouses (Refer to the actual mythologies).
That's all I can think of.
I'mma be honest. Ultra Necrozma would beat the dog shit out of Kizaru and it isn't close.
@@numberhunter62 Who would win each fight? You tell me
@@bruhbruh9895 some of them are intricate and based on interpretation and others I don't know about some of the characters.
The clear ones would be Shinra, Ultra Necrozma, Big Mom and Orochimaru.
And observation haki counters genjutsu
Cos you can sense emotion how many people are around you can sense wickedness
And Luffy learnt it with his eyes closed so even if he was under genjutsu he can still sense evil presenxe
u have no idea about speed at all
This guy literally forgets how Large One Piece planet is.
Bro really said that katakuri has greater Ap than KCM2 Naruto 😂😂😂😂😂
The OP verse causally scales higher than Naruto’s…
@@Ignoreduser 😂😂😂😂prove it...
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj when The Kages looked upon a giant meteor and sh*t themselves. Luffy dwarfed that an awhile ago, Zorro did the same later on and neither opponent was even B tier…
@@Ignoreduser brother the kages u are talking about are no where near the top tiers of Naruto verse...😂😂😂and you say that op is casually higher than Naruto verse than why are you comparing the OP high tier characters to low tier characters like war arc garra and tsuchikage. ..😂😂😂give me some real comparison...
15:30 hold on tho, this sasuke was keeping up with six paths naruto speed wise. And had juubidara call him fast, after having witnessed 8th gate guy speed. Not saying he’s that fast but juubidara acknowledging his speed as being fast would put him in or close to that tear of speed no?
Naruto is a lot higher than ftl. Also while he reflects he can also reflect outside the mirrors and he also gets pulled into the mirrors at light speed. He is speed blitzing everyone for a whileee
Ur bias really is showing tho. Implying luffy is 10x stronger In base than g4 because he drew blood from Katakuri there by implying they both have low country level Ap is such a wild implication especially considering u use the same crazy implication in logic that a 9 tails bomb is substantially weaker because it kicks up dust implying it is 100x weaker cause u think it’s pulverization and not vaporization. Crazy leaps in logic brother u gotta stay consistent on both sides😂 if luffy and Kat had that much AP the mirror world would be getting absolutely obliterated Katz siblings are literally 20 feet away watching the fight the whole time.
Great video
You should do this video again but with natsu and ichigo
gear 4 being sub relativistic is crazy
Fr bro was at least lightspeed at that point
@@masonmcfadden4886hes been ls sense pre ts outran light beams on sab he massively low balled luffys speed lol
@@vellowta1867bro said Luffy would lose to a CHIDORI and didn’t even factor in the utility of Gear 5th. Nothing he said about Sasuke winning was true. He didn’t even factor in Kaido’s dragon form or anything.
@@Ignoreduser yea he’s obviously bias lmao
About the genejustu. Don't every living animal in the naruto universe have charka networks? Those networks won't be in One Piece characters since their ancestors wasn't around when Hagoromo was giving people charka around the world. So no genjustu would not work on anyone outside of the naruto verse.
Edit: Also, lighting don't work on Luffy.
Got to admit that this was a pretty interesting topic, though I will say that I disagree a bit on Sage Mode and KCM2 Naruto's AP. I won't touch SO6P Naruto's AP and scaling since the level of physicality for characters around that level is very possibly the most debatable thing in Naruto both in and out of the community, and you already brought up where I personally think those characters are at and you seem to think of it as overall valid, or at least you don't strongly disagree enough to actively debunk it.
Now then, Sage Mode and KCM 2 Naruto are characters I do think are within the realm of Planetary level AP. The reason why is because in Naruto The Last, the Cloud village's Shinobi forces (minus Killer Bee and the Raikage themselves) were charging up a Chakra cannon that they believed was fully capable of destroying their world's moon, and while it was indeed hallow, they did not know this fact and so it is fair to assume that they believed the weapon could destroy a moon that isn't hallowed out. Even 50% of Kurama would heavily upscale from this Moon level Chakra cannon, as not only did he amp up the Cloud Shinobi forces by at least 3x of their power (basing it off of Kakashi stating that the Chakra cloak he got boosted him by that much if I'm remembering right), but Kurama had to have done this same feat around 5x over, assuming that during the War arc, each of the Hidden villages possessed the same amount of shinobi during the fight against the 10 Tails and not making the assumption that each of the villages' numbers could have surpassed the Cloud's forces during the movie. And Sage Mode Naruto would scale to this on a lesser level, since his attacks (at least his more powerful ones like the Giant Rasengan barrage and his Rasenshuriken) were capable of hurting 50% Kurama when the Uzumaki was trying to get KCM 1 during the War arc.
So overall, I would say that Kurama at 50% of his full power being Small Planet level with his AP casually is pretty fair in my eyes, and at least KCM 2 Naruto should scale to this since he's obviously using this power for himself with Kurama's full cooperation and if you disagree with this line of thinking, I'm curious as to why.
Kaguya truth seeking orbs was going to expand over time to cover the time space she could not destroy it all in one attack so i dont see how people use that in naruto and sasuke ap scaling
Plus naruto and sasuke at that time barley scaled to kaguya at all they needed to seal kaguya in order to win
Well even tho I don’t believe in this argument. As long as Kaguya scales to even a percentage of her truth seeking orb she’s 4D bc even .1% of infinite energy is still infinitely above any 3D level
That being said I think Naruto is like Small planetary but Uni isn’t hard to prove
@@yutaoGOATsu236 yeah but the sasuke I was scaling surpassed Kaguya after absorbing the Biju
@@sbthesage2100 with that kind of logic the random fodder she was pulling chakra from in order to create the truth seeking orb scale to universal because their power makes up a percentage of the truth seeking orb
This was very dope ngl
How much this people nerf luffy i can not even imagine 😂😂. You really said sasuke has more AP 😂😂😂
he does
Tbh pre time skip luffy vs kid Naruto wasn't a close fight in the first place 🤷🏾♂️
damn bro dismantled naruto, redo the roger vs hashimara vid
edit: bro went back to glazing
This shouldn’t even be a debate honestly, the scaling is way too different, I’ve watched both anime and dispite OP being my favorite out of them, I think they just made Naruto verse just a little more op, not to mention all the hacks they have. And don’t get me wrong , devil fruits are definitely hacks but like I said the scaling is just way 2 different so I don’t like comparing the 2 honestly
Yeah because Devil Fruits are better Ninjutsu and Haki is better than Taijutsu.
Taijutsu is gas tho but I definitely thing haki and devil fruits are better 💯
itachi putting a random woman under genjutsu doesn't mean the victim doesn't need chakra due to the fact everyone has chakra in the naruto verse and if you don't then you are dead luffy dosent posess a chakra network or chakra in general😂
Not everyone in the Naruto verse has chakra this is literally stated no where. You actively have to be creating it. Also kishimoto tends to be liberal with the no chakra shit there’s been several examples of characters being “out of chakra” but being just fine
So I'm curious if you took the kind of attacks into consideration while talking. When you go to Naruto vs Lucci (up to that point I agreed with everything you said; like even if Naruto used 1K shadow clones he still couldn't deal with a logia, unless he had a scroll with a water attack but he didn't seem to carry those) you mentioned finger pistols, however Naruto instantly healed from a Chidori in the chest one he had that cloak and was able to use his chakra cloak at a distance too and by that time he had the Rasengan, which would definitely do serious damage to Lucci if he got hit by it. We have also seen the cloak be able to grab things too and move independently, so I think that could give anyone problems.
While I'm also curious how powers translate (which makes this tough), because Sasuke could just put Luffy in a genjutsu as well and the defense against that is to disrupt your chakra flow. I guess Luffy would actually have a fortunate match up there because Sasuke's strongest attack, the chidori, is lightning based, so even if it is a piercing attack, which Luffy is vulnerable to, he'd be unaffected. Which just kinda brings up how a genjutsu counter would work.
You also assumed that in Luffy vs Pain he went right to Gear 4 and right to his strongest attack initially before any of the Pains could act. Luffy doesn't typically start his fights off going into Gear 4 right away, didn't against Doflamingo. If the Pain that could absorb energy got a hold of him too he could undo Gear 4. I do think you'd have to play the fight out before it would get to that point, remember, if just 1 of the 6 paths of Pain could last before Gear 4 runs out Luffy is dead. This happened against Doflamingo and if Luffy has to deal with summons (without any of his own), the Pains reviving themselves, and dodging a punch of weapons along with gravitational powers (the other ones I don't think factor into combat, more support) I think they could.
Then with Naruto vs Doflamingo, you compared his powers to Kakazu, however Kakazu couldn't do anything equivalent to his awakening. It then could go to if enough chakra could overpower the strings if Naruto got tied up. If we assume he could then he would almost certainly win
It seems all your scenarios are just comparing power levels as opposed to techniques and fighting styles
Luffy should honestly be lightspeed by dressrossa, characters like katakuri and doffy are able to land hits on him which wouldn't be possible if they weren't faster than kizaru laser that luffy dodged with ease. Katakuri has even better observation and yet luffy was able to land hits on him meaning he as well should have lightspeed attacks. Also luffy literally calls the attacks slow in reference to kizaru blitzing him so to say it's simply aim dodge makes no sense with his statement which implies he is faster than the light beams
Predictive Dodging is not the same as Dodging. Pirates and others struggle with bullets without Haki. Sasuke can dodge with his Sharingan active, but without it he's getting touched( in some scenarios).
Gazelle Man was faster than the Stawhats and he was only running 200mph, this is in Wano.
Also Kizaru's Lazers aren't light speed, Kizaru is himself is Light Speed. His Lasers are focused in power instead of speed. They are as fast as bullets. Also the Pastafista Lasers are modeled after Kizaru's light powers.
If Luffy is light speed then everyone he's fought and everyone who dodged the lasers have to be light speed also. The problem with that is the showings are just the opposite. So doesn't it make sense that no one but Kizaru is lightspeed and the top characters are faster than a speeding bullet?
@@kingdommccoy bruh what are you even saying "kizaru's lasers aren't lightspeed" like did you read what you typed? They are lasers do you know what lasers are? And they are light? It is like saying sound waves aren't sound speed. Y'all come up with the craziest nonsense just because you can't accept things, also you missed the point of what i was saying because it wasn't about the dodging it was about the speed of the attacks hitting despite of observation haki putting the speed of those attacks higher than the lasers
@@kingdommccoy also big difference between travel and combat speed, but of course you wouldn't know that. It's like comparing usain bolt to bruce lee, bolt is fast at running but bruce lee is fast at fighting that's luffy he fight's at lightspeed he doesn't travel at lightspeed
@@kingdommccoy also kizaru isn't capped at light speed his powers are lightspeed at base, and as we saw in his fight with snakeman he can accelerate so he is faster than light, and yes everyone luffy has fought seriously is faster than light doffy, katakuri, kaido etc
Even Pts Zoro was faster than light via his battle with Kuma dodging his paws which were stated to reflect at the speed of light and Zoro moved closer to Kuma while dodging 15+ paws
One thing you gotta consider is if we’re talking after Jiraiya weakened Naruto’s seal, kurama would step in and take over Naruto’s conscience before naruto dies. Also the ability to summon gamabunta.
"The kyuubi being able to turn the planet to ash isn't really viable to argue its planetary or multi continental because we arent given a time frame so to assume it can in 1 attack is unreasonable".
>"Whitebeard has a statement that he can destroy the world so that could put luffy as high as star level 🤓🤡".
I hope you can see why this line of logic is flawed, the whitebeard statement is quite literally no different from the kyuubi statement, we are given no indication that whitebeard could simply do this at any point with 1 attack. We arent given a time frame or anything that would help us quantify if that would actually make him star level so based off what we've seen wouldn't it be more reasonable to say whitebeard and therefore luffy caps out at continental?
10:45 "This is just because like with the orochimaru statement we're given 0 time frame or context for which the destruction could take place. Making it an insane leap in logic to assume kurama could simply point a bijuu bomb at the earth and blow it up in one shot. Given the ACTUAL feats that are displayed in the series."
16:05 " But can be scaled anywhere from planetary to star level if you think he's comparable to whitebeard, who's been stated to have the power to destroy the one piece world".
My only question is why is the whitebeard statement even being accepted as defacto he can one shot the world and not having the same skepticism applied due to the fact of us not being given context nor a time frame?
Wb shake the entire world and send tsunamis with his basic attacks in marineford 🤷♀️
@@salchichonportuano7874 incorrect whitebeard quite literally did not affect the entire world, the attack you're referring to only affected the areas near marineford like saboady. We didn't even see his attack having adverse effects on places like impel down which should be rather close and it definitely didn't affect anyone outside the grandline.
More swapped fights Is appreciated, because sometimes the difference In strengths can't be enough to beat someone's kit.
The Naruto fans really are upset here
Genjustu will literally work on anyone even without chakra, it just depend on how resistant said character verse of the character are immune to illusion. The first genjustu used in naruto was done by kaguya, she literally use the infinite tsukiyomi which is literally a genjustu on a planetary scale as it utilizes the moon to reflect its light on the world and there was nothing like ninshu at the time because hagoromo was yet to be born. Hagoromo was the one who gave people chakra and taught them how to use it. Dude literally had disciples who went about teaching ninshu.
Genjustu works by injecting your own chakra into the user and then channeling it to their sense organ to manipulate what they see, hear, taste, smell or touch. That's how genjustu works so it doesn't matter if you dont have chakra on not.
Yhwach from bleach has an ability called the almighty which can allow him to literally see multiple future and he can not only see the future but can change the future with this hax. That's more broken than even any version of observation haki one piece will ever have and this dude was still affected by an illusion attack that can control his senses from aizen. Aizen literally affect this man senses and this is someone who can do insane things like attacking from the future, and changing the present with the future even revive himself in the future if he is killed.
So saying observation haki will cancel out genjustu or illusion attack are pure copium and there had been no instance of any one piece character having resistant to illusion or mind attacks
Naruto would absolutely destroy croc he would summon gamabunta who can shoot water which would low dif croc
Well it depends if he becomes a sand storm Naruto can’t do crap. Also depends on the location too. Luffy lost because croc was in his element and won because he wasn’t
@@Ignoreduser i have hard time believing that even in his logia form he would somehow survive that huge amount of water that gamabunta is capable of creating
@@joonaspenttila201 yes if he disperses himself enough it won’t matter unless you use Haki. Location matters with croc because he can also turn dirt and plant life into sand. He not an idiot so he’ll avoid being hit by water especially a big blast, croc is stronger than 12 year old Gaara and smarter.
@@Ignoreduser croc doesnt strike as smart he said mr 2 and mr 4 were stronger than mr 3 which obviously wasnt the case, tried killing mr 3 for no reason whats so ever he was still useful and that dumb choice came to bite him in the ass later, also not just finishing the strawhats him self was dumb but that can be chucked up as arrogance but still to me he seems below average in inteligent also he is not able to kill anyone i understand luffy surviving but he tried killing chaka 3 times and that man lived everytime so he probably cant kill kid naruto either especially when he has bs healing factor
Crocodile's underrestimated power of draining the water out of your f*cking body and dehydrating you.
one comment in the obito vs luffy fight obito could just put him in genjutsu bc you dont need chakara but i thought genjutsu controled a persons 5 senses and the only way to control them is bc of chakara you use chakara(the persons not your own) to control a persons 5 senses
Bro really said:🤓
Kcm does not amp Minato’s teleportation speed
Minato’s flying raijin speed is independent of the speed he can move his body cos in flying raijin he doesn’t move his body he instantly teleports it
I love the video, I'm watching it on my TV and I like watching videos like this, but I feel the main thing people don't put in consideration is that the timeliness for them both is different. To explain it better luffy is having to get stronger within a shorter time frame than naruto, which if you don't know much about naruto, you can look this up on Google, naruto is around 32 in baroto, that's because narutos storyline is more stretched out than luffys, making is so that naruto us not having to get as strong throuout the series
I dont talk about things like this on a daily bases nor do I do things like this for UA-cam but I have watch both animes and have watch many videos like this so I personally think I can say things like that but I do want to know what yall think about what I have said cause I think if you look at it like I said it, it changes how you look at videos like this bit thus is just my opinion
Bro really think sasuke and Naruto are universal I guess they can box with a goku now bro let me prove you wrong it clearly say that kaguya was moving starts not making them and teen sasuke don’t even scale to kaguya I say sasuke at most is around the same level of AP of a luffy and luffy speed bliss and you didn’t even talk about Haki
One critique is, Luffy wasn’t aim dodging he was quite literally able to perceive and dodge light attacks, we don’t even need to use that as Luffy was dodging photons in the water 7 saga. So yeah luffys easily ftl pre timeskip, I don’t wanna get into attack power just wanted to put that out there
How is Luffy FTl pre timeskip lmao dodging something dosent make you faster than something you react faster than you can fight
@@sbthesage2100 no reason to believe they wouldn’t be ftl in all categories, it’s because of how consistent it is and Luffy dodging foxys photons pre time skip and while I don’t think Luffy was ftl at this point it’s to show how perpetually it happens. Luffy would be ftl around thriller bark as zoro who is weaker than him was dodging kumas paw cannons which were stated to move at light speed.
@@sbthesage2100 zoro performed this feat while weakened mind you
@@jextern7961 dodging =\ combat speed and you also have to calc the dodge before assuming faster than light that’s not how physics work bro
@@sbthesage2100 if a persons body physically can’t move after perceiving something than they can’t dodge it and Luffy even post timeskip can physically move his arm out of the way of a lightspeed beam, it would make no sense for the characters you mention that are ftl at certain points in the story because I can just say they are dodging attacks. Calcs aren’t always needed and unless it’s out of context a character dodging a lightspeed attack makes them that fast, you realize this bro
Love you're vids bro, you're the only good power scaler that i trust. But for the kcm 2 Naruto vs katakuri i would have to say Naruto but w vid
Bruh he said “Sasuke would beat LUFFY with a CHIDORI.” Ain’t no way that’s happening.
@@Ignoredusera chidori would still pierce luffy, it’s not just the electricity that makes it so strong but the force and impact of the blade, hence the name lightning blade. Luffy is weak to blades I.e. katakuris blade much less sasukes chidori that turn a meteor bigger that the leaf village to dust. The sheer destructive force would kill him but he wouldn’t be affected by the electricity.
@@KK-uw4uu the bad faith is soooooo staggering I contemplated responding. We aren’t talking “base” Luffy, which arguably wouldn’t lose to being stabbed by an electric knife, but 5th Gear Sun God Nika Luffy. At this point logic and reason is out the window, y’all pretend that it’s the same Luffy that fought Buggy (it’ll be like saying since Naruto and Sasuke lost to Lee easily to Lee in hand to hand combat that is their weakness). Y’all making judgments either based on bad faith or ignorance just make y’all look bad.
@@KK-uw4uu y’all act like he never seen or fought an opponent with a blade before. Just stop if that’s your strongest argument at this point.
I want an animation where the both of them fight but where the creator doesn’t care about powerscaling just fun
I don't watch op but shouldn't the rubber person be capable of surviving needles from a person unwilling to kill in the first place. There's no implication that the needles were different from normal senbon (no poison/barbs/etc.), and the rubber body is passive while jutsu require chakra meaning he could win on survivability.
Another W video as always I agree with mostly everything that you discussed in the video one thing is that maybe Luffy’s toon force could help him overcome the huge strength gap with rinne Sasuke like he could probably just completely peel of his susanoo as we’ve seen him even make contact and manipulate stuff that’s normally intangible and since Luffy’s starting to augment reality such as spawning random objects out of nowhere I wonder if stuff like that would translate in these types of fights. I would still give the w to Sasuke atm until we see more of Luffy’s toon force and when Luffy gets stronger in general
Sasuke is even stronger than Luffy so he’d just dog walk him in the most embarrassing way possible
There's no way Luffy's just gonna go straight and use King Kong Gun against the six paths of Pain that's way too OC pain's hax will probably catch him off guard
How is he gonna get caught off guard with observation haki?
how did u get naruto to mftl when hes keeping up with a minato who isnt using flying raijin minato is possibly relativistic in base without flying raijin there is no way to accurately scale naruto to mftl in kcm2 without wanking
11:20 it says almost the speed of light…
Every time naruto uses kurama’s chakra is gets stronger every use so land of waves nine tails chakra Naruto isn’t town level yet and probably way below that since haku holds back a lot
If your a onepiece fan and see this just leave bro, y’all should know their the most disappointing scalers in anime rn
Yeah he lost me at “Luffy would lose to a CHIDORI” and not mentioning the utility of Gear 5th as well as not mentioning Kaido’s dragon form
Exactly, how would Sasuke’s chidori beat luffy if luffy is immune to rubber 😂
@@sanemithemuffin3888 exactly
@@sanemithemuffin3888 just by reading that scentence I can tell you know nothing about it at all. "Luffy is immune to rubber"
@@MrBuddy3055Chill it was probably a typo
Tankability and speed goes to one piece. AP and DC goes to Naruto. Everyone in the naruto verse learns combat in school while only the marines and groups like the samurai are trained in the one piece verse. Most pirates learn from experience, only a few have devil fruits and haki. This is why the groups with the most haki and devil fruit users have the highest bounties, your average marine isn’t doing a thing. Meanwhile most jonin in naruto have mastered two or three chakra natures and are proficient in genjutsu and taijutsu. But at the same time the amount of people that can take out a mountain is more in one piece. Overall the top tiers in naruto verse are planet conquerers/destroyers and the top ninja fighting them and aside from the famous statement about whitebeard, Imu has taken out a country and and the godvalley incident is all they have to show.
Always remember y’all no matter the outcome of Naruto vs Luffy, never forget….ichigo still wins
Why does that matter dude?
@@maddhandles06 why you seem so bent over a comment💀
@@thyweebhuball he did was ask a question, how is he bent?
Don’t worry he’s just mad cause bleach is the least popular out of the big 3 😂
Yeah not gonna lie i chuckled there. It is true, even if it isn't relevant
Chidori? I thought luffy is immune to lightning?
Naruto Didn't use Talk no Jutsu 🤯Luffy doesn't get his plot review and Luck 💀
Isn't Genjutsu created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, if that's the case then how would you control someones chakra flow if they don't have chakra. But idk if I'm right, I want to know your thoughts
Yeah normally, but in Itachi's light novel he put a bee in a genjutsu and bees don't have chakra
@@Swagjutsusolosfiction Well bugs have chakra so maybe bee's do too but i could be wrong, you do have a point.
This was kind of implied by jiraiya, but other feats and statements from more proficient genjutsu users retcon his statement. Specifically sharingan genjutsu bypass this
It won’t work because of Luffy’s observation haki. Genjutsu becomes pretty useless at the end of the series
@@Ignoreduser when does observation haki give resistance to hyposis? Genjutsu is never "useless" and is inly ever resisted by people with specific counters like dojutsu or having a tailed beast or very good chakra control
You're just comparing stats. you ain't talking about how they go about the fight cause Naruto would usually be using hella tricky with the clones there's been multiple times he's tricked people with it especially during part 1.and you dont talk about the stamina too. Ain't tryna hate just saying cause a lotta people do this when it comes to vs battles people just forget that when doing these you also got to take that into consideration
He views it like a card game or something
Sage mode Naruto in the lowest of the lows of low balls is atleast 10x ftl and pain was reacting same goes with doflamingo learn yo scalin 😭
ur MASSIVELY low balling luffys speed hes been ftl sense pre ts he out RAN light beams on sab pre ts this whole video is flawed
Debunked that whole notion you clearly have selective hearing
@@sbthesage2100 no u didn’t u said he has ls reaction from a post ts feat ur NEVER mentioned pre ts when he outran the light beams in gear 2 u clearly dont kno what ur talking about like i said ur lowballing luffys speed hes been ftl sense pre ts and zoro out sped kumas paws also light speed and they dont slow down so ur wrong
@@vellowta1867 Luffy never outran any lasers in the manga wtf are you talking about 😭 he’s only ever evaded or dodged lasers until we see him fight kizaru stop watching anime and forming opinions based on videos Tylearned made years ago lmao dodging things dosent equal combat speed period cope about it
@@sbthesage2100no he outran the lazers 🤣 in manga i have the pannel and kizaru isnt light speed hes well beyond it hes faster than a snake man luffy who is well beyond light speed so again ur wrong stop tryna to push ur claims as facts because ur wrong and its sad
@@sbthesage2100n whoever you just said ive NEVER heard of in my life ur a joke 💀
Sorry bro but katakuri is faster than light. Even the Germa moves faster than light. And it stated and showed with them blitzing light
Kurama could destroy the Naruto world at FULL POWER. The bijuu bomb used as an example was from a casual KCM2 Naruto that only had 50% of Kurama. Huge misconception, but other than that and the speed scaling which honestly I can't definitively say is accurate or not, it was a good video.
Would you like to join my discord server ?
@@sbthesage2100 i'm good bro.
When hokage naruto suffered chakra disease, he can dodge photon blast without chakra spontaneously. Naruto dying is FTL. Luffy after timeskip can dogde PX5's photon blast ,luffy need haki to predict it. It's huge gap power scaling.
@@Star-lord_25not true ignorance fallacy fatigued Zoro was dodging lightspeed pad canons effortlessly in thriller bark pre time skip and Luffy and half of the crew were dodging pacifists beams in Saboady in pre time skip before Luffy and the crew even knew what haki was. Lol you picked Boruto Naruto for your argument like you were spitting when one piece characters have been dodging and combatting light in pre time skip hell even Deadbeard was reacting and attacking Kizaru in Marineford
@@thegreaterconsciousness5997can luffy and crew dodge ? Are usop, robin and chopper FTL? 🤣🤣😂
Bro how luffy can win in 4th great ninja war if he can't use sealing jutsu to kill those edo tensei, imagine hashirama spam thousand of Buddha's palm on luffy without worrying on his chakra because it's unlimited and also his stamina I don't think luffy can manage to survive that because throughout the day they fight luffy's stamina will most likely drain and differently lose💀
These comparisons really show just how garbage Naruto’s power system is.
The more fleshed out, creative and constant a power system is.. the more poor it compares to a system where “oh, I can create a bomb that destroys GALAXIES”
Dragon Ball is by far the worst. “Haha, I tap my desk and reality crumbles”
So creative! Naruto comes second in garbage power systems. Lmao.
luffy is rubber, hes invulnerable to electriciti. thats the whole point of when he fought enel
Rubber is highly resistant to day to day electricity, but that resistance breaks down once the other user starts putting out multiple kilovolts of power.
Real lighting is producing millions of volts. Luffy won due to plot armor and hax
How the fuck does Naruto win any of these fights especially starting from Doffy 😭, doffy lost to an island level attack which Naruto does not have in his arsenal. & you miscalculated doffy fruit and abilities it’s nothing like kakuzu ability , doffy can create strings from touch and use the surrounding to turn into strings , he can stretch and manipulate stings so small no eye can see unless you have haki. No jutsu Naruto has is stronger than luffy physical AP , Luffy has battled a lightning speed & God opponent in the skypie ARC , Naruto battled his first lightning speed opponent in his last arc. The difference in power is so massive it not even funny anymore ,
Everyone in Naruto is born with chakra regardless of if you know how to use it or not
But would luffy be able to figure out how to kill pain? They have infinite chakra and immortal even if you claim luffy is no diffing. I don’t see luffy being smart enough to finding where the real one is without wearing out. Also are we even giving luffy the information of them not being the real pain?
@@tsuki90210 the video could have been made better In hindsight but I was really tired I’m ngl 💀 editing scripting and recording is really hard and tiring so I cut corners where I shouldn’t have I apologize
@sbthesage2100 Good video, there is one speed inconsistency I noticed that I’m kind of surprised no one has brought up? At the start of the Post Time Skip section of the video (G4 vs Pein) you say G4 is 10x the G2 speed that was already calculated to be 5x lighting. But this G2 calc was for pre time skip G2 Luffy? His post time skip base and thus his post time skip G2 should be several magnitudes higher right?
Not quantifiable
Base land of waves Naruto is definitely beating Arlond
WHAT IF?
There will be a MULTIVERSE in Anime and Manga world where these anime characters will meet and fight or battling together against powerful evil opponent?
Anything is possible. Especially that these anime/manga were all fictional characters and fictional story.
What if Kishimoto and Oda through powerful businessman producer come up with an idea of this MULTIVERSE adventures between Shinobi’s and Pirates.
Luffy base stats do not go up vs katakuri. The fact is that katakuri has weak durability due to not being used to getting hit. Its the bad side of all that trainning to be perfect. If you re watch the fight Luffy probably didn’t even landed more than 10 attacks in total. What changed is that luffy was training/improving more his will than his observation soo in fact his haki got stronger* during that fight.
thing is. cant pain use almighty push?
Wherever you got that text from its 100% false (13:30)
The actual translation is this: Emitting light from the eyes to dazzle the enemy, seizing the opportunity and charging at high speed. Unleashing a flurry of sparks and delivering devastating consecutive strikes!
Here is the vivre card text if you want to translate it yourself: 目から光を放ち敵の目をくらませ、隙を突き高速で突進。火花散る超威力の連撃を叩き込む!!
Also canonically vegapunk (who is smarter than judge) could only crack laser technology after teaming up with kizaru to produce ls lasers, meaning juge's lasers would most likely come from the same source seeing as they were comrades back in the day and judge is just not smart enough to produce it on his own.
Yeah no sasuke landing a hit on a g5 luffy using toon force that’s more than 5 times his speed? The same luffy that can change his mass, shape, form at any time?
Genjutsu doesn’t work on people without chakra. All humans in Naruto have some level of chakra, so itachi using genjutsu on that woman isn’t an example of genjutsu working on someone without chakra. Kaguya is also nowhere near universal level. There’s no evidence she made those dimensions nor that they contain multiple celestial bodies.
Theres points I agree with but alot more points I disagree with
Did u just compare doffys awakening too kakazu bro ok u got it
@@ZoroDpork yeah and what’s the problem?
Katakuri better AP than KCM2 is hilarious
I believe it boils down to the chosen ones vs the sun god. Toon Force destroys, its what Tom and Jerry have taught us over the years. You sum that with haki. Im sorry but Luffy vs Sasuke is not fair. Luffy takes the w for sure. You said Izanagi right, what about future sight? And if sasuke throws a detonating massive attack like Indra's arrow. Guess what. Luffy is just gonna reflect it, its just to show the ridiculusness of a man that literally caught and was swinging in lightning.
Edit: I respectfully disagree, but also I have a bias towards toon force so 😂🤷🏽
Sage, you continue to impress me. This is a fantastic what if scenario and i can't wait to jump into the video but Logia might give Naruto issue unless verse is equalized.
I just want to say that one piece has still not ended so for all we know Luffy could become stronger than Naruto in his prime or Naruto before he got nerfed
Nah this mf downplaying one piece speed
Sorry but Luffy is beat Haku cause he can tank all the darts not to mention he would simultaneously attack the ice mirrors
I would love to pd you one day. Cuz the one piece downplay is always high with you
Fr lol
Like we’re going to say with a straight face that 1 chidori can beat gear 5 Luffy…
sasuke blocked hakus kunais from killing Naruto, and those were thrown at light speed. Sauske and Naruto are relative here.
Not really
You massively downplayed Pain, man's a tactician and also has access to every base element release, including water release. I'm not saying he's winning, but he's certainly gunna make Luffy fight for that win even if Luffy's AP is higher on paper
bro is a fraud
for gara vs alabasta luffy, you say he would be dead before he could release chukaku, luffy was never the type of person to kill, not he ever killed someone in the series, once gara gets overwhelmed chukaku is gonna comeout even if gara gets lots of damage (2k naruto barrage situation)
Luffy would literally vaporize garaa with one punch he's thousands of times more powerful so garaa would be dead weather Luffy means to or not
Adult naruto no Baryon mode is star level with MFTL+ speeds. aka massively faster than light. around 100-500x faster than light. Baryon mode naruto solar system level with inaccessible speeds. By catching shiiki's robs. Oskustki shiiki stores his robs in a timely dimension and he grabs the robs from that dimension and uses them. It requires inaccessible speeds. And naruto caught them and didnt move an inch
●. And sasuke rinnegan & mangekyou sharingan couldn't even see it. And kid sasuke from og naruto kid sasuke just alone his base sharingan can see light speed attacks. Stated in manga btw. Obviously rinnegan & mangekyou can see MFTL+ attacks aka 100-500 faster than light attacks. Sasuke couldn't even see the robs naruto effortlessly caught. And broke btw.
●also Baryon mode brains your life force so its ggs. Luffys stamina problems been pretty bad. Been like that since dressrosa arc. Where he passess out & hes helpess and without some1 there hes dead. Sleeps mid fight btw. I sh1t aint flying in other verses. Especially in a 1v1💀☠️
luffy has a huge stamina problems. bro naruto in shippuden fought for 3 days straight while giving his chakra away to the whole alliance lol💀
👉💠Btw in naruto the last movie toneri otsutsuki effortlessly spliced the moon in half. And threatened to Destroy the Earth. Toneri said to naruto "ill destroy u and the earth 🌎 " basically naruto 1 punched this man. And cracked the surface of the moon. And Naruto ran through the same attack that split the moon in half clean cut in half btw. And this one was at full power. Naruto ran through that attack that literally split the moon. And splice attack btw too. And this is just teen naruto before hes hokage. A weaker naruto than hokage & baryon.
●literally thats was planetary statements.
And moon level feats.
● bruh no onepiece Villian has threatened the earth. And countrys.
●bro kaido. Whitebeard, roger is like the strongest characters & they have like island level attack Potency.
●literally imu the top the strongest. She has the ancient weapons that are like the strongest. Thats has to be hidden from everybody
😂● bro literally the ancient weapon that sabo was scared asf how . Was a island destroyint weapon.
Its literally just a island destroyer.💀☠️
● bro nobody in one piece has any of the feats in naruto the last movie💀☠️ bro how can threatened to destroy the planet or destroy the moon in onepiece? And those are foddar characters comapred to boruto. Naruto the last movie.
Btw Baryon mode id compared to Timeskip boruto btw boruto can literally rotate the fkn earth with his fkn wind☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀. Boruto has time space ninjujustu. Bro can literally teleport into a different time space and otsutsuki's have the same ability btw. By default. Otsutsukis literally conquerors solar systems. Naruto & sasuke are fighting & beating these beings bro.
These are all star level fights.
How can onepiece island-contient level characters compete?? Its based off feats & power scaling btw not just me assuming. I watch & like way more one piece than boruto btw. Its just the difference is so obvious. Research what they both can do. And both their feats & scaling
Naruto Wood scale pretty well to be on the clue of the one piece story just imagine how much stronger he would be from mass Haki he will definitely have all three forms and could learn them possibly even faster than Luffy
Haki doesn’t work that way, you have to fight to get stronger. Like grinding in a video game, without cheesing mob characters.
Sasuke killing Luffy with a chidori is objectively false, electricity is literally doesn’t work on him also with Luffy’s observation haki he’d know not to look Sasuke in the eye and wouldn’t need too.
No limits fallacy a Chidori wouldn’t dissipate on contact with Luffy’s skin he’s simply immune to electrocution. You also forget that the Chidori is literally a blade/cutting attack which Luffy is weak to
And where are you getting that observation Haki would help Luffy not look Sasuke in the eye lmao there’s literally 0 way to prove this is possible future sight and observation require intense focus and are usually used in the heat of battle and there’s plenty of instances where Luffy has failed to use it at the beginning of fight or even at all bc of how much focus it requires
lol the power comes from the electrical attack, so you are saying he’d lose to a Knife? Or can be blocked by black flames? Even if black flames could work on him, he could literally use anything to combat him. You literally said he has lightning fast reflexes so how will he be put under genjutsu? Observation haki literally gives you heighten awareness and future sight as well.
u know pains planetary devistation was calced to country right
bro is saying chidori is working on luffy when it gets nullifyied and bro susano gets nullified by gaint mode gear five and his awaking powers not just how sauske and use this and that ur glayzing narutos verse hard asf and ur talking about doffy and kakuzu or whatever the dude is if u seen the same one peice i seen they dont even use ther powers the same like naruto gets cooked by the one peice verse till he gets sixth paths and bro reacting to light attacks meaniing luffy and the pacifista and if naruto throws a light speed punch at luffy thats a light speed attack witch he can dodge like fr with future sight and luffys haki from after wano or even the fight with kaido bro ur glazing trying to give them a chance and even luffy and haku i feel is wrong because we have really no feets to prove she is anywhere near kakashi and making the watewr dragon she never even did it or nothing put the ice mirrors cuz her gekigenkai and sauske wit base sharingan was low key cooking her so luffy getting nettles from don kerige those big ass ones compared to sebons cmon
bro tsunade broke the fucking susano luffy cant thats cap
bro advanced haki breaks tree if that hits naruto bro its taking a arm cmon now bro ur glazing
Please learn grammer, i can barely see your arguements
Feel like it would have been better to scale dressrosa Luffy to sub rel by scaling him off thriller bark Zoro's feats as the scaling in the video relies on a definition of power that isn't very commonly used and its a bit of a calc stack
7:35 you can actually get gear 4 Luffy to Multi continental because the last major fight right before Doffy is Don ging Joa who could split an ice continent in a single blow casually and Luffy in Gear 3rd was relative to that level strength and the speed scaling for post timeskip Luffy i believe to be Mftl off upscaling from pre Timeskip Zoro who could evade Kuma's compressed air attacks at a very close distance and his palms compress air at the speed of Light!
Splitting a continent dosent make you Continental what kinda logic is that lmao I’ve seen calcs for the feat they’re no where near continental. also that was prime chin jao not the one Luffy was fighting.
@@sbthesage2100 appreciate you for taking the time to reply to comment 🤠 , guess I miss understood that feat he accomplished, he just did it with such ease and yeah that is him at his prime.
his son don sai has the power to split the continent stated by don chinjao himself and hes literal fodder to base luffy. they split a continent that was stronger than steel, he said his men could stay there for years with blow torches and axes and wouldnt even dent the ice continent@@sbthesage2100
@@sbthesage2100but you literally said toneri was moon level for splitting a moon
@@kayasantebennett447 check every calc for the feat it's moon level due to how fast the feat was performed an how much kinetic energy the attack outputs