Have you checked out some of my retro video game covers using Pocket Operators? I recorded them with the R20 and R12: ua-cam.com/video/V1daDEgSRvA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/uMdeMYfRiL8/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/nQDWRAwJH64/v-deo.html
Thanks. I want to make more content but have been slowed down by a variety of things this year. I should be getting back to making new content soon. Lots of my content about the R20 also applies to the R12, though. So if you have some specific questions about the on-screen functions, you can check out my R20 videos and the answer might already be there.
Great video Gaz!!! Is it possible with r12 to split track output routing between MASTER and CLICK? For example tracks 1-4 will go to MASTER and track 5-8 goes to CLICK?
Hey, sorry...I just realized I didn't reply to this comment. Yes, in the R12's project settings menu you'll find an Output Routing table. There you can pick which tracks can be sent to MASTER and which tracks will be sent to CLICK. The tracks can be audio that is already recorded into that track, or it can be immediately sent from Input 1 or 2, routed through a track, and then routed specifically to either MASTER or CLICK. However, you cannot control that master/click blend through the Monitor Outs. You only get fine control for the Headphone Out. On the front of the R12 there is a switch that allows you to set it to just PHONES OUT. From there you get a knob that allows you to blend the master vs. click volume.
Thanks for your video. This might be just what I'm looking for. We do a handful of tracks in my band with backing and a click with audio cues to our drummer, and it's a real chore bringing a laptop and all that goes with that just for four or five tracks. I looked at the M-Live B. Beat which also does sync'd video, but even the base 32GB model is nearly twice the price of the R12. Tempting 🤔
The R12 will work for that, however, you might find yourself limited by the 2 inputs if you are trying to record your entire band all at once. The R20 has more inputs, although only two of them are combo jacks while the rest are XLRs. So if you have multiple mics for your drum kit, the R20 can do a better job in one package to record a whole band. The trade-off is that the R20 doesn't have track routing, and you cannot send a specific track to the click. You can only use the built-in metronome of the R20 for a click. The R12 is a little more versatile because you can use the built-in metronome or a track for the click. But both the R12 and R20 are decent investments if you want do light audio editing directly on the recorder. Like you record a verse one time with your band. And you record the chorus one time with your band. You can use the editing features to do some copy-paste-split work to create a verse-chorus-verse-chorus-verse-chorus song quickly directly on the R12 or R20. If you don't need those editing features, and you already have a laptop/DAW that you like, then you might want to go with the L-8, L-12, or Model 12 instead if you want to record your entire band, and then move those tracks to your DAW to do all your editing on the computer.
@@GazRendar Thanks for you detailed reply Gaz! It's really just for backing track playback to the desk, with a different set of of tracks with click routed to the headphones. Just trying to cut down on the about of gear to cart about with a really simple set up. Basically I only need is two stereo pairs, but it's always lack of outputs or routing options that's the issue, particularly on smaller and cheaper bits of kit. Annoyingly, I could do the whole thing from Cubasis on my phone, but alas, I'm on Android and can only use two outputs even with a multi output interface 🙄 I don't really want to go down the Apple route at the moment, so the R12 sounds perfect, also good for getting ideas down while out and about. If we want to record the whole band I'll just take my laptop rig.
No. There is a meta data file stored on the SD card. You might be able to open that up in a text editor and rewrite the code, but I haven't tried that. So maybe you can do something on the computer to rewrite the seq file, but there isn't a straightforward easy way to do it when a dedicated Zoom program or anything.
Well, sort of...but not likely what you are thinking. If you are thinking it's a DAW with just MIDI files for 8 different tracks where you just move the bpm from 108 to 120 and all those MIDI notes seamlessly move to 120, that's not at all what happens with the R12. Sure, the R12 can have one synth track that is MIDI data, but everything else is recorded as WAV audio files. You can time stretch individual audio regions, and it works, but it takes the R12 some time to process that (it's very taxing on a CPU). And you have to do it region by region. The R12 doesn't have the CPU horsepower to just move your whole song from 108 to 120 and have it automatically time stretch everything to fit 120. You can definitely do it if you only have 1 or 2 tracks created. But if you have 8 tracks created and each track has a couple audio regions in it...it's going to be impractical to time stretch all of that.
great video as usual. Shame that seq play isn't on the R20. I am seriously considering an R12 or R20, with a preference for the latter given extra tracks and possibility to record drums with multiple mikes.
At least that's a software thing that I could see Zoom bringing to the R20 in a later firmware update. No idea if they will or not... But if you think there is even a chance you want to record drums with multiple mics, then you absolutely want the R20 instead of the R12. I originally had the R8 and bought the R20 because I needed more inputs. I bought the R12 because I was curious, but still saw my own personal value in having a more portable recording option. But there is no reason to buy both. But if you think you might use even just 3 or 4 inputs simultaneously, you'll want the room for growth that the R20 offers over the R12.
Endless aggravation. I had an R-7 which I could handle really well but after five years it gave up the ghost. I decided to try the R-12 and figured it shouldn't be too much different. First of all, I'm old and have have difficulty seeing things on the tiny screen. Touching doesn't work for me because it isn't that accurate unless I'm concentrating so I had to use a stylus. I did manage to record two tracks but I couldn't figure out how to make it work on my computer. The R-7 was so simple but not this. I found that there are too many options. I wanted something fairly simple with buttons like the R-7. I've only had it three days and the joy of song writing and recording has left me. If I can't return it I'll take it out back and use it for target practice.
If you go to the 5:20 mark in this video you see a little bit about effects. Yes, you can apply effects, but you need to set them up ahead of time for each project (song) to the inputs/tracks where you want them.
@@GazRendar So I'll be able to apply and effect to a blank track to use with a live inst (dynamic mic in this case), rather than the prerecorded audio? Thanks for such a quick reply btw!
Yeah, so go to the 9:30 mark in the video and you'll see that I route instruments into blank tracks of one of the middle song. You can play a live instrument by adjusting the track routing. In order to apply an effect, you'd have to go into the individual project and select the effect there and make sure it's being applied to the track you want. If you want that to happen for every song in your playlist, you have to set up the instrument routing and the effects for each and every project in order for it to work....like if you want to sing along with all your songs and apply a reverb to the live mic, you'd have to do that set-up work ahead of time.
@@GazRendar Thanks again Gaz... this is fantastic! Mic effect automation throughout our set... we'll be sing it at our Christmas gig this afternoon. You're a life-saver 🙂
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4:24 man you make me remembering my teenage years and kids time with this.
Okusenman
Have you checked out some of my retro video game covers using Pocket Operators? I recorded them with the R20 and R12:
ua-cam.com/video/V1daDEgSRvA/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/uMdeMYfRiL8/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/nQDWRAwJH64/v-deo.html
Thanks! More content for the R12 Please
Thanks. I want to make more content but have been slowed down by a variety of things this year. I should be getting back to making new content soon. Lots of my content about the R20 also applies to the R12, though. So if you have some specific questions about the on-screen functions, you can check out my R20 videos and the answer might already be there.
Love the r12 videos keep going !!!!
Thanks! Will do!
Great video Gaz!!! Is it possible with r12 to split track output routing between MASTER and CLICK? For example tracks 1-4 will go to MASTER and track 5-8 goes to CLICK?
Hey, sorry...I just realized I didn't reply to this comment.
Yes, in the R12's project settings menu you'll find an Output Routing table. There you can pick which tracks can be sent to MASTER and which tracks will be sent to CLICK. The tracks can be audio that is already recorded into that track, or it can be immediately sent from Input 1 or 2, routed through a track, and then routed specifically to either MASTER or CLICK.
However, you cannot control that master/click blend through the Monitor Outs. You only get fine control for the Headphone Out. On the front of the R12 there is a switch that allows you to set it to just PHONES OUT. From there you get a knob that allows you to blend the master vs. click volume.
Thanks for your video. This might be just what I'm looking for. We do a handful of tracks in my band with backing and a click with audio cues to our drummer, and it's a real chore bringing a laptop and all that goes with that just for four or five tracks. I looked at the M-Live B. Beat which also does sync'd video, but even the base 32GB model is nearly twice the price of the R12. Tempting 🤔
The R12 will work for that, however, you might find yourself limited by the 2 inputs if you are trying to record your entire band all at once. The R20 has more inputs, although only two of them are combo jacks while the rest are XLRs. So if you have multiple mics for your drum kit, the R20 can do a better job in one package to record a whole band. The trade-off is that the R20 doesn't have track routing, and you cannot send a specific track to the click. You can only use the built-in metronome of the R20 for a click. The R12 is a little more versatile because you can use the built-in metronome or a track for the click.
But both the R12 and R20 are decent investments if you want do light audio editing directly on the recorder. Like you record a verse one time with your band. And you record the chorus one time with your band. You can use the editing features to do some copy-paste-split work to create a verse-chorus-verse-chorus-verse-chorus song quickly directly on the R12 or R20. If you don't need those editing features, and you already have a laptop/DAW that you like, then you might want to go with the L-8, L-12, or Model 12 instead if you want to record your entire band, and then move those tracks to your DAW to do all your editing on the computer.
@@GazRendar Thanks for you detailed reply Gaz!
It's really just for backing track playback to the desk, with a different set of of tracks with click routed to the headphones. Just trying to cut down on the about of gear to cart about with a really simple set up. Basically I only need is two stereo pairs, but it's always lack of outputs or routing options that's the issue, particularly on smaller and cheaper bits of kit.
Annoyingly, I could do the whole thing from Cubasis on my phone, but alas, I'm on Android and can only use two outputs even with a multi output interface 🙄 I don't really want to go down the Apple route at the moment, so the R12 sounds perfect, also good for getting ideas down while out and about. If we want to record the whole band I'll just take my laptop rig.
can you edit the playlist on a computer?
No. There is a meta data file stored on the SD card. You might be able to open that up in a text editor and rewrite the code, but I haven't tried that. So maybe you can do something on the computer to rewrite the seq file, but there isn't a straightforward easy way to do it when a dedicated Zoom program or anything.
Hi Gaz,
Is it possible to speed up audio on the R12?
Well, sort of...but not likely what you are thinking. If you are thinking it's a DAW with just MIDI files for 8 different tracks where you just move the bpm from 108 to 120 and all those MIDI notes seamlessly move to 120, that's not at all what happens with the R12.
Sure, the R12 can have one synth track that is MIDI data, but everything else is recorded as WAV audio files. You can time stretch individual audio regions, and it works, but it takes the R12 some time to process that (it's very taxing on a CPU). And you have to do it region by region. The R12 doesn't have the CPU horsepower to just move your whole song from 108 to 120 and have it automatically time stretch everything to fit 120. You can definitely do it if you only have 1 or 2 tracks created. But if you have 8 tracks created and each track has a couple audio regions in it...it's going to be impractical to time stretch all of that.
great video as usual. Shame that seq play isn't on the R20. I am seriously considering an R12 or R20, with a preference for the latter given extra tracks and possibility to record drums with multiple mikes.
At least that's a software thing that I could see Zoom bringing to the R20 in a later firmware update. No idea if they will or not...
But if you think there is even a chance you want to record drums with multiple mics, then you absolutely want the R20 instead of the R12. I originally had the R8 and bought the R20 because I needed more inputs. I bought the R12 because I was curious, but still saw my own personal value in having a more portable recording option. But there is no reason to buy both. But if you think you might use even just 3 or 4 inputs simultaneously, you'll want the room for growth that the R20 offers over the R12.
Endless aggravation. I had an R-7 which I could handle really well but after five years it gave up the ghost. I decided to try the R-12 and figured it shouldn't be too much different. First of all, I'm old and have have difficulty seeing things on the tiny screen. Touching doesn't work for me because it isn't that accurate unless I'm concentrating so I had to use a stylus. I did manage to record two tracks but I couldn't figure out how to make it work on my computer. The R-7 was so simple but not this. I found that there are too many options. I wanted something fairly simple with buttons like the R-7. I've only had it three days and the joy of song writing and recording has left me. If I can't return it I'll take it out back and use it for target practice.
Hi Gaz. Just wondering if I can use the effects on live instrument tracks during sequence playback. Thanks for a great video btw!
If you go to the 5:20 mark in this video you see a little bit about effects. Yes, you can apply effects, but you need to set them up ahead of time for each project (song) to the inputs/tracks where you want them.
@@GazRendar So I'll be able to apply and effect to a blank track to use with a live inst (dynamic mic in this case), rather than the prerecorded audio? Thanks for such a quick reply btw!
Yeah, so go to the 9:30 mark in the video and you'll see that I route instruments into blank tracks of one of the middle song. You can play a live instrument by adjusting the track routing. In order to apply an effect, you'd have to go into the individual project and select the effect there and make sure it's being applied to the track you want. If you want that to happen for every song in your playlist, you have to set up the instrument routing and the effects for each and every project in order for it to work....like if you want to sing along with all your songs and apply a reverb to the live mic, you'd have to do that set-up work ahead of time.
@@GazRendar Wonderful... thanks very much Gaz! I'll keep you posted... gig on Sunday :-)
@@GazRendar Thanks again Gaz... this is fantastic! Mic effect automation throughout our set... we'll be sing it at our Christmas gig this afternoon. You're a life-saver 🙂
Nice video 👍
Thanks Wigges!
Not happy with my R12..
Sorry. Like pretty much anything, I don't think it's the perfect device for everyone.