Thanks for posting, Caleb. I like hearing your business perspective vs just image quality. I have a Komodo and it’s great. Handles motion like nothing else other than film. But, it is not mainstream or practical like Canon and Sony. So, there’s art and there’s business. Sometimes they overlap
I like the look of canon it’s the system I started on. I currently have a Sony and that’s what’s big in my market so that’s what I’m going to invest in.
Its a massive body if you're a solo documentary traveller and wanting to be discreet when traveling internationally, so I would go for the Panasonic LUMIX BS1H Full Frame.
Yeh its not small, but I think it needs to be compared more to full featured camera's in that category - FX6/9 etc. Definitely agree with picking the right tool for the job - I know I've chosen my A7siii over camera's like the Red Komodo in recent years for travel style shoots. Do you own a BS1H? Never heard much first hand about that cam, kinda interested to hear peoples thoughts.
Having (and loving) a BS1H, I just don't think it does the job on run and gun shoots even if it is smaller. It has so many 'quirks' that more professional cameras just dont and Panasonic is just not a camera brand the industry (at least here in Au) are comfortable with. It's had to 'earn' it's way onto several productions for me where an FX3/6 or C400 would have walked right on easy.
@@italogiardina8183 Not that Netflix proves anything, and still with all its other quirks that make it challenging to use professionally on anything other than low end work. I’ve used to shoot a low budget feature and the experience convinced me to buy a real cinema camera. I love the BS1H but it’s in a different product class.
This is true! Some nice Cine, Vintage, or Anamorphic (Which on that note - is coming to this camera next month) glass on this - shooting in RAW.. You could def make some super cinematic films
Awesome. I mount my LCD screen on the other side of the 15mm so that the monitor is more over the lens. I like a centered set up if possible. I've had my C400 since October. Love it! The AF is stunning. Especially with RF glass. Not sure what settings you used?
Cheers Scottie! Yeah look I actually shot that piece to camera not long after picking up the camera from the rental house.. so the focus hunting that happened during that Im happy to put down to user error haha. When I was able to operate and keep an eye on everything myself I didnt have any problems. What market are you based in, and hows the feedback been from people you work with so far on the camera? Always good to hear
@@calebgrahamfilms Ex NYC guy now in Texas. Self employed small ad agency owner. Mostly print/digital. I only moved into video in the last 6 years or so. I shoot what I want. The clients hire me for my work/relationship. They could care less about how I got there. I can't say I really collaborate with many other shooters. I know you shoot RED as well as Canon. I like the RED colors. I love the Canon ease of use.
Great video! I agree that the Komodo renders a prettier more filmic image. I own Komodo and FX6 and even though I get a ton of work with the FX6, I hate the image. It's strange because the FX3 has a prettier image than FX6 with nicer colors. The image out of the FX6 looks like video and not film. Even though I think that the C400 is a great camera, I think it's going to be a while for the camera to get accepted if you work with other teams and as a gun for hire. I'm old, and for many years, Canon dominated with the 5D Mark II and then the C300 took over lower budget TV and documentary. But then Sony released the FS7 and ever since then, they've gone on to world domination and have pushed Canon to the side. Producers are simple-minded, and the cameras that have the buzzword is FX9, FX6, FX3 and now Burano. Even though the C400 has a lovely image, they may still request an FX6 over it, and not hire someone with it instead, or make you rent one. In a few years that may change, but I think that at the moment, one if better off getting an FX6/FX3 combo. It's like the old IBM saying, "nobody got fired over hiring someone with a Sony". If you are a solo shooter that gets work directly with clients, then the C400 may be a good bet.
Thats all super interesting. Whereabouts are you based? I did a shoot in Aus this year for a US production company and they where keen to go all Sony.. but in Aus I think there's a few production companies that are more open to and like shooting on Canon. I know especially the C500ii has had a really good name in recent years and is the go-to for a lot of factual/doco. I've never heard that about the Fx3 before - thats really interesting. I know I've personally been pretty happy with a lot of the work I've shot on the A7siii. Thanks for checking out the video and sharing your thoughts, chats like this are a big reason I release these!
Totally agree. I've had to explain to Sony producers why the C400 is a better camera than even an FX3. I do work with a fair few Canon producers as well, but the key is that they just trust what they know.
@@ShaneVanLitz Yep for sure! Worldwide its pretty crazy how much market share Sony has had in recent years.. they've really nailed in with the FX lineup. Will be interesting to see if a few people switch to Canon with this recent gen of C400/C80 cameras and RF Lens options
Totally disagree about the FX3 looking better than the FX6. Much prefer the FX6 image. One reason for the FX6 image looking nicer might be because you can control the noise reduction on the FX6 and you can’t on the FX3, it just applies a very aggressive noise reduction instead of letting you control it like the FX6 does. But whatever the reason, I think the FX6 looks nicer than the FX3 or A7siii. Now FX6 vs Canon C series is tough. They honestly look a lot more similar these days with log codecs and the new Sony color space. Plus because of the log codecs, you can really match them in post. Small advantage Canon here because they have internal raw for those few times you need it.
@ for sure. I will say we often see clients who have in house fx6 and fx3 setups comment how much nicer the Canons look when on set and straight out of camera for dailies. Literally happened today for me again. But a good colourist probably wouldn’t have much issue matching.
I'm actually looking into a used C500M2. For 8k, I can get the camera, cards, extension unit, should mount and extra batteries. A C400 and the 24-105mm RF extra batteries and media would run close to 14k. So I'll wait a year or two when C400 gets popular and Productions ask for it. Unless Canon runs a 0% finance for 24 months. Then it would make sense to get it.
compare the fx6 to the c80 and the c400 to the Burano is more accurate. Thank you for a really good video with good points.. Komodo X is always better in colors with red R3D than most cameras
Yeah good call that's fair. Well hats off to Canon that it even is such a strong competitor to the Burano considering its so much cheaper! I know in my market I'd go out on a limb and say the Burano hasnt really been a hit.. purely based on price.. as far as results go I think its great. Thanks for checking out the vid and sharing your thoughts! I love hearing about what people from all around the world think about these things
@@calebgrahamfilms Im a canon shooter my self. But when they made the Burano I was so ready.. until the price was told... damn.. The Komodo X is the dream, but my work is a lot of run and gun one man band gigs mostly so autofocus is needed for me.
@@baekmedier Haha I was exactly the same! I wanted a 2024 equivalent to something like the Amira that I could actually afford.. But was pretty shocked by the price. I think thats why Canon have been super smart with this one.. especially when you think of how much the c500ii sells for
If you're an owner op already in the Canon ecosystem, this is a very obvious upgrade at a stellar price point. Even as a Sony owner, I'm probably going to try and find a project this year to rent it out given the great feedback it's gotten. From a rental standpoint, given the form factor and feature set, it'll be interesting to see if it gets adopted into larger crewed shoots. I've used the Burano for both solo and with mid-sized crews, and for me it's the unsung hero of versatility, working it perfectly for both scenarios. It's completely replaced the FX9/6 for me, and save for the FX3 on a gimbal, I haven't touched another Sony camera in a while. Also, curious to see if this launch will affect Burano rental prices at all. Though I'm still not sold on this converting a lot of Sony & RED owner/ops, especially RED given how expensive and propriety the ecosystem is.
Completely agree with this take. It’s a fantastic offering from canon that is catching the company up to other current brands. So far, I am requested for Sony workflows 99% of the time. Only a handful of times for canon. Curious to see if this changes in the future. After a few issues with my fx6, I’m open to seeing other systems.
Cheers for your take! What market are you based in? Always interesting to hear.. especially in regards to how cameras like the Burano have been embraced really seems super dependent on the location. I 100% agree with how good the Burano is.. but I guess what's made it a tricky one here is just the purchase price, and whether you'd make your money back with what you can charge on top of your day rate. The rental prices in Syd are actually very reasonable for the Burano - so for me it makes sense just to rent it for projects. But yeh - definitely interesting to see if this c400 release will effect any of those Burano sale or rental prices!
Cheers David! And yep - your scenario sounds super common, I think Sony have crushed it with their lineup of cameras and now Canon is playing catchup - which they're doing a pretty solid job at. But will it be enough to convert companies, networks, and owner-ops - I guess thats the question. I'd definitely recommend having a play with the C80 and C400 and seeing how it stacks up to your FX6!
@@davidmorefield Cheers David! And yep - your scenario sounds super common, I think Sony have crushed it with their lineup of cameras and now Canon is playing catchup - which they're doing a pretty solid job at. But will it be enough to convert companies, networks, and owner-ops - I guess thats the question. I'd definitely recommend having a play with the C80 and C400 and seeing how it stacks up to your FX6!
Yep! 100% Agree. I've seen pro level shooters even running the ND on auto mode on FX6's and getting good results. I guess the thing to keep in mind is E-Mount has been around since 2010 and RF is pretty new.. So I think in the next few years there's gonna be a lot more RF options on the market from other brands
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I'm most impressed that I can't hear the leaf blower at 00:30
Haha! Davinci's voice isolation comes to the rescue again.. I think that was only running at 50% too
Thanks for posting, Caleb. I like hearing your business perspective vs just image quality. I have a Komodo and it’s great. Handles motion like nothing else other than film. But, it is not mainstream or practical like Canon and Sony. So, there’s art and there’s business. Sometimes they overlap
Thanks Martin! Haha yeh for sure.. thats the exact kinds of reasons that have made the Komodo a pretty good choice for me the last few years
Would you choose an fx3 or Canon R52 for documentary, work interviews, travel and family vacation
I like the look of canon it’s the system I started on. I currently have a Sony and that’s what’s big in my market so that’s what I’m going to invest in.
Makes sense, cant fault that logic
Thanks for the real down to earth video. Great listening to your thoughts
Cheers for that really appreciate it! Thats the goal, so always good to hear it came across that way
Its a massive body if you're a solo documentary traveller and wanting to be discreet when traveling internationally, so I would go for the Panasonic LUMIX BS1H Full Frame.
Yeh its not small, but I think it needs to be compared more to full featured camera's in that category - FX6/9 etc. Definitely agree with picking the right tool for the job - I know I've chosen my A7siii over camera's like the Red Komodo in recent years for travel style shoots. Do you own a BS1H? Never heard much first hand about that cam, kinda interested to hear peoples thoughts.
@@calebgrahamfilms I like the concept: right tool for the (job) only game in town which happens to be the best camera.
Having (and loving) a BS1H, I just don't think it does the job on run and gun shoots even if it is smaller. It has so many 'quirks' that more professional cameras just dont and Panasonic is just not a camera brand the industry (at least here in Au) are comfortable with. It's had to 'earn' it's way onto several productions for me where an FX3/6 or C400 would have walked right on easy.
@ It is Netflix approved and so arguably interdependent with professionalism and all that entails.
@@italogiardina8183 Not that Netflix proves anything, and still with all its other quirks that make it challenging to use professionally on anything other than low end work. I’ve used to shoot a low budget feature and the experience convinced me to buy a real cinema camera. I love the BS1H but it’s in a different product class.
It's not just a documentary camera; it's basically a legit cinema camera. Stop putting gear in boxes, my lovely people!
This is true! Some nice Cine, Vintage, or Anamorphic (Which on that note - is coming to this camera next month) glass on this - shooting in RAW.. You could def make some super cinematic films
Awesome. I mount my LCD screen on the other side of the 15mm so that the monitor is more over the lens. I like a centered set up if possible. I've had my C400 since October. Love it!
The AF is stunning. Especially with RF glass. Not sure what settings you used?
Cheers Scottie! Yeah look I actually shot that piece to camera not long after picking up the camera from the rental house.. so the focus hunting that happened during that Im happy to put down to user error haha. When I was able to operate and keep an eye on everything myself I didnt have any problems. What market are you based in, and hows the feedback been from people you work with so far on the camera? Always good to hear
@@calebgrahamfilms Ex NYC guy now in Texas. Self employed small ad agency owner. Mostly print/digital. I only moved into video in the last 6 years or so. I shoot what I want. The clients hire me for my work/relationship. They could care less about how I got there. I can't say I really collaborate with many other shooters. I know you shoot RED as well as Canon. I like the RED colors. I love the Canon ease of use.
Great video! I agree that the Komodo renders a prettier more filmic image. I own Komodo and FX6 and even though I get a ton of work with the FX6, I hate the image. It's strange because the FX3 has a prettier image than FX6 with nicer colors. The image out of the FX6 looks like video and not film. Even though I think that the C400 is a great camera, I think it's going to be a while for the camera to get accepted if you work with other teams and as a gun for hire. I'm old, and for many years, Canon dominated with the 5D Mark II and then the C300 took over lower budget TV and documentary. But then Sony released the FS7 and ever since then, they've gone on to world domination and have pushed Canon to the side. Producers are simple-minded, and the cameras that have the buzzword is FX9, FX6, FX3 and now Burano. Even though the C400 has a lovely image, they may still request an FX6 over it, and not hire someone with it instead, or make you rent one. In a few years that may change, but I think that at the moment, one if better off getting an FX6/FX3 combo. It's like the old IBM saying, "nobody got fired over hiring someone with a Sony". If you are a solo shooter that gets work directly with clients, then the C400 may be a good bet.
Thats all super interesting. Whereabouts are you based? I did a shoot in Aus this year for a US production company and they where keen to go all Sony.. but in Aus I think there's a few production companies that are more open to and like shooting on Canon. I know especially the C500ii has had a really good name in recent years and is the go-to for a lot of factual/doco. I've never heard that about the Fx3 before - thats really interesting. I know I've personally been pretty happy with a lot of the work I've shot on the A7siii. Thanks for checking out the video and sharing your thoughts, chats like this are a big reason I release these!
Totally agree. I've had to explain to Sony producers why the C400 is a better camera than even an FX3. I do work with a fair few Canon producers as well, but the key is that they just trust what they know.
@@ShaneVanLitz Yep for sure! Worldwide its pretty crazy how much market share Sony has had in recent years.. they've really nailed in with the FX lineup. Will be interesting to see if a few people switch to Canon with this recent gen of C400/C80 cameras and RF Lens options
Totally disagree about the FX3 looking better than the FX6. Much prefer the FX6 image. One reason for the FX6 image looking nicer might be because you can control the noise reduction on the FX6 and you can’t on the FX3, it just applies a very aggressive noise reduction instead of letting you control it like the FX6 does. But whatever the reason, I think the FX6 looks nicer than the FX3 or A7siii. Now FX6 vs Canon C series is tough. They honestly look a lot more similar these days with log codecs and the new Sony color space. Plus because of the log codecs, you can really match them in post. Small advantage Canon here because they have internal raw for those few times you need it.
@ for sure. I will say we often see clients who have in house fx6 and fx3 setups comment how much nicer the Canons look when on set and straight out of camera for dailies. Literally happened today for me again. But a good colourist probably wouldn’t have much issue matching.
I'm actually looking into a used C500M2. For 8k, I can get the camera, cards, extension unit, should mount and extra batteries. A C400 and the 24-105mm RF extra batteries and media would run close to 14k. So I'll wait a year or two when C400 gets popular and Productions ask for it. Unless Canon runs a 0% finance for 24 months. Then it would make sense to get it.
Hello,
Have you tried uploading a LUT to one of the user profiles?
I havent unfortunately! Was just using one of the defaults - the new CMT709 LUT from memory.
compare the fx6 to the c80 and the c400 to the Burano is more accurate.
Thank you for a really good video with good points.. Komodo X is always better in colors with red R3D than most cameras
Yeah good call that's fair. Well hats off to Canon that it even is such a strong competitor to the Burano considering its so much cheaper! I know in my market I'd go out on a limb and say the Burano hasnt really been a hit.. purely based on price.. as far as results go I think its great. Thanks for checking out the vid and sharing your thoughts! I love hearing about what people from all around the world think about these things
@@calebgrahamfilms Im a canon shooter my self. But when they made the Burano I was so ready.. until the price was told... damn..
The Komodo X is the dream, but my work is a lot of run and gun one man band gigs mostly so autofocus is needed for me.
@@baekmedier Haha I was exactly the same! I wanted a 2024 equivalent to something like the Amira that I could actually afford.. But was pretty shocked by the price. I think thats why Canon have been super smart with this one.. especially when you think of how much the c500ii sells for
Can't sleep on FX9, which still has electronic VND and great 6K image.
Agree! Probably some great value second hand ones getting around as well
If you're an owner op already in the Canon ecosystem, this is a very obvious upgrade at a stellar price point. Even as a Sony owner, I'm probably going to try and find a project this year to rent it out given the great feedback it's gotten. From a rental standpoint, given the form factor and feature set, it'll be interesting to see if it gets adopted into larger crewed shoots. I've used the Burano for both solo and with mid-sized crews, and for me it's the unsung hero of versatility, working it perfectly for both scenarios. It's completely replaced the FX9/6 for me, and save for the FX3 on a gimbal, I haven't touched another Sony camera in a while. Also, curious to see if this launch will affect Burano rental prices at all. Though I'm still not sold on this converting a lot of Sony & RED owner/ops, especially RED given how expensive and propriety the ecosystem is.
Completely agree with this take. It’s a fantastic offering from canon that is catching the company up to other current brands.
So far, I am requested for Sony workflows 99% of the time. Only a handful of times for canon. Curious to see if this changes in the future. After a few issues with my fx6, I’m open to seeing other systems.
Cheers for your take! What market are you based in? Always interesting to hear.. especially in regards to how cameras like the Burano have been embraced really seems super dependent on the location. I 100% agree with how good the Burano is.. but I guess what's made it a tricky one here is just the purchase price, and whether you'd make your money back with what you can charge on top of your day rate. The rental prices in Syd are actually very reasonable for the Burano - so for me it makes sense just to rent it for projects. But yeh - definitely interesting to see if this c400 release will effect any of those Burano sale or rental prices!
Cheers David! And yep - your scenario sounds super common, I think Sony have crushed it with their lineup of cameras and now Canon is playing catchup - which they're doing a pretty solid job at. But will it be enough to convert companies, networks, and owner-ops - I guess thats the question. I'd definitely recommend having a play with the C80 and C400 and seeing how it stacks up to your FX6!
@@davidmorefield Cheers David! And yep - your scenario sounds super common, I think Sony have crushed it with their lineup of cameras and now Canon is playing catchup - which they're doing a pretty solid job at. But will it be enough to convert companies, networks, and owner-ops - I guess thats the question. I'd definitely recommend having a play with the C80 and C400 and seeing how it stacks up to your FX6!
doesn't Red use Canon RF mount anyway? 🤔
not impressed with the image. Cool cam tho, wish it had the Komodo image but they are two different cameras...I get it
I agree! I was actually really hoping it would be an blatantly superior image to the komodo.. unfortunately it wasnt that simple
Sony's advantages are the electronic VND and a bunch of affordable power zoom lenses and third-party lenses.
Yep! 100% Agree. I've seen pro level shooters even running the ND on auto mode on FX6's and getting good results. I guess the thing to keep in mind is E-Mount has been around since 2010 and RF is pretty new.. So I think in the next few years there's gonna be a lot more RF options on the market from other brands