The HR thing is true, I made some complaints about a certain individual and health and safety issue, then after I found My self cut off from opportunities to get premonition. All extra jobs stopped managers stopped asking Me to do jobs of trust, and found anyway they could to cut Me off from doing anything other then My basic job role. Often actually discriminating against Me and lies, right till the end I could tell that if they could of found a reason to get rid of Me they would have.
You really did not explain HR's purpose as much as you probably should/could have: HR's Purpose --------------------- HR, labor relations, is an office dedicated to protecting the company, they are not there for you, or the manager, but instead the company. They will do whatever is in the best interest of the company. Sometimes the easiest way to make a problem go away is to A move people, B ignore it, C build a case to discredit and safely remove the complainer. HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, they are not on your side. One Sided Confidentiality and Documentation in the HR Office --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes the notes that are taken are simply thrown away, and if you complained about a supervisor they may be told exactly what you have said. If it is in the best interest of the company to document or keep something confidential, then in that case it will. Nothing you say is confidential, and none of it may be documented. If you are the biggest threat to the company due to you noticing or complaining about wrong doing on the part of your employer, then the only one that gets actually investigated may be you. If You Decide to Talk to HR ------------------------------------------- Keep it short, and request something that takes little effort on their part that can make the problem go away: a lateral move or transfer, a switch of shifts, a relocation closer to where you live. Mention wrong doing, but briefly and without accusing the company, accuse the supervisor and frame it as you asking the company for help. If they think a massive potential problem can be solved with a simple move/transfer/shift change then it is in the company's best interest to come to that win win solution. Other times you won't have an issue with a coworker or supervisor, but just need a change of role or shift. Even Legitimate Complaints to HR May Result in Job Loss ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It really does not matter if your complaint is legitimate so much as if it is in the best interest of the company to investigate and address it. You could be entirely innocent and in the right, and they may choose to investigate, discredit, and remove you to limit their own liability and risk. They are not there for you, they are not there to be fair, they are there for the company.
@human_hope this is my issue as well. As i work with a company, my experience is growing and i should naturally be offered 50% of the market raise to keep me happy. I shouldn't have to justify my raise, you kept me because i make you money. If i need to create a whole meeting, presentation, etc to get a raise, im just gonna search for another job.
@carochan86 yeah its sad. There is a saying in south asia that roughly translates to " the chicken dish at home is like the lental dish at a restaurant." Which ends up meaning many employers stop caring about their existing employers rather than reward them and then are shocked when that employee leaves.
@@asadb1990 it costs more to train and recruit a new employee than it is to keep an old one. To me it would make more sense to keep your employees happy .
That never makes the company better. I have been laid off several jobs in my 10+ year career as a structural engineer because I did my job really well. Then those bosses end up quitting or getting fired. You can tell them apart because they PIP their employees for no good reason.
Yeah. They prefer that management over workers who point out the problems with the management. This is sadly why a lot of companies end up falling apart. But it is what it is. You just have to watch this happen with companies that do that sort of thing. Sadly most companies where I've worked have been like this and from everything I've read about management...MOST management operates the same way. This is why so many workers are totally disengaged from their jobs and just stop caring about what happens where they work. Apathy eventually becomes the best protection when these companies inevitably go down in flames from their own poor choices.
Have seen this from experience. One reason is that it's easier to replace the entry level workers than it is to replace the people in managerial roles. Another reason is that, unfortunately, a lot of what you might think is bad management is actually them doing exactly what their own superiors are asking them to do. That includes micro managing, infantilizing, instilling fear in order to gain compliance, and so on.
Yep. It's all who you know. Some 20 year old just got hired at my company because she knows the dept. manager. Another lady who also recently got hired for the same title has years of experience teaching ( which applies to the industry) and it is so fucking unfair.
@@PolishBehemoth in fact im pretty sure actual slavery will come back soon as in ''we'll give you a job and in exchange we'll give you some bread and water
Hard work only gets you more work and taken advantage of. Yet many places outright demand you to go above and beyond to earn their pittance raises or get PIP'ed if you're working in tech.
Thats why i suggest for tech workers to work outside tech and you treated like royalty. The pay is not as high but if you are fairly good, job is very stable and hard to replace
My biggest advice and learned this the hard way... coworkers are not your "friends.". I am very social with my coworkers, but I figure anything I say will make its way around. I always jokingly say "whatever rumors you hear about me, they are all true!". . Get along with folks, converse, do lunch, but be guarded.
Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion over the years. There are just too many people with personal issues to go to work thinking you can just be friends with anybody. A lot of these people have an ax to grind and emotional issues and sadly even trying to avoid them because of their issues can make you a target if you start out being too friendly with them (learned this the hard way). It's best to go in and start from a place of "I'm just here to do a job" and leave it at that. Unfortunately you will still run into people who have issues with that mentality as well, but it's sadly the best way to go with the workplace today. At this point I reguard work as a paycheck and just tasks to learn how to do. I avoid a lot of that personal stuff, especially when I can see from a mile away that the people I'm dealing with are going to have issues.
@@Liz-wz8dh I agree. Work shouldn't be about making friends or socializing. I found out that the best environment for this is a remote work. The way of communicating with colleagues the remote work enforces (i.e. strictly only when required by work tasks, without some useless pep talks) effectively prevents getting too close to them, and for them to get close to you, to learn your weaknesses. For them you're just some soulless digital entity on the other side of a meeting, and that's fine, as long as you're there to make money.
@@ildar5184 Yes ALL OF THIS. That's why I'm such a huge advocate for remote work. Idc what anybody else says or what they feel. It's the best way to go.
@@HH-le1vi We understand there is a significant difference between a fortune 500 company and a ma an pa shop or an owner that has maybe 5 employees. However I worked for a 20 man construction company and that was the owner hands down, I work for a man who owned multiple fast food business and that was also him I worked for a 15 man HVAC company in Louisiana and while that was a pretty good owner that was also him. I have never met an owner of a company who wasn't wealthy out of the gate. Not an owner who had a million dollar a year company.
@@CallegriaofSoulbound The reality is that only 16% of millionaires come from inheritance. Not the 95% you want to make it out to be. And statistically speaking, the generation that inherits that wealth has a 70% chance of losing it all.
I remember in a previous job, I used to work super hard everyday and I did that specific job better than anyone had done previously. Unfortunately, this backfired because I became completely irreplaceable in that position. So, when I put in for promotions I would get passed over because the manager knew he could never replace me in my current position, so he didn't want me to move up. Eventually, the manager moved on and got replaced by a new manager who didn't value the work I was doing nearly as much, so I was actually able to get promoted after that.
@@the.blue.raven7777 He became so excellent in that position, that they would rather keep him there than take the time to train someone else. So promotions likely went to someone in management who’s dumber than a bag of hammers but is likely related to or sleeping with someone in management.
Do the hard work for a job that's actually worth it and you may get a different result. I think we were just taught to do hard work for jobs where the hard work doesn't actually pay off, that's the problem.
I worked too hard at my previous job and ended up with facial tics and a half-step away from a breakdown. Burned the candle at both ends, quit, and ended up with a lovely 6 month gap in my job history that I'm sure is still hurting me today... and a job that I enjoy but the operating hours are so limited I can't pay my bills. Healthier overall, at least, but damn.
You were told this because 30+ years ago, there was some truth to this- especially if your degree was a from a school that fairly respected in the area. During the tech bubble in the 90s, for example, I had tons of friends who had liberal arts degrees but got offer soft-skilled IT consultant jobs with big companies. As long as you had a degree, they would train you. The big changes I've noticed over the years are 1) most companies are doing less andl less training (because it costs money) and 2) The number of people with degrees has continued to grow. There's a much great chance that someone will have a degree an employer is looking for. These days, I would say don't even bother with a degree unless you know the job you want, the current pay and demand for the position both now and the near future.
I’m very weary of those people they say “worked their way up from the bottom.” More like, they used their big mouths, made friends with the right people, ruthlessly did their bidding and became part of the team. Or they were related to/knew the right people.
As senior colleague once told me that I was focused on getting the job done while everyone else concentrated on getting ahead. Sadly mastering office politics is important whether you like it or not. I know one coworker who thought that office politics was fun and did very well for himself by playing it. You may not like it or think that it is wrong but it is reality.
Not true. I am someone who worked my way up from the bottom and I did none of the shady things you mentioned nor was I related to anyone there. However, it's always good to acquaint yourself with everyone. You want to build a good rapport with people because you never know when you may need them for something. That's just life in general. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, being likeable helps. Just be yourself at work. It's not that serious. 😂
This is so true for school principals. When I was teaching, I expected them to be wise and good with people. It was the exact opposite. They were terrible teachers so they became principals
& that IT jobs are going begging when in reality that they are being outsourced to India, but you still need to pay off your student loan or have a crappy credit record for the rest of your life.
Unfortunately, unless you're going for a job in the hard sciences or you can get a degree for as close to free as possible, college is not going to get you a job by itself. Many colleges are having issues even staying open and attracting enough students and that's because they do not even know how to consistently connect their students to high paying jobs except in a few concentrated, high demand industries. If THEY can't figure out that formula, then why would they be useful in getting you a good job? Many of the college staff are also in the same boat as the graduates. Adjuncts teaching college classes barely make a living and that has been the case for decades. So that should probably tell you something as well.
EXACTLY. Every years there's hundreds of thousand graduates all competing for the same 100-200 positions. It leaves hundreds of thousands of graduates in six figure debt doomed to a job that didn't require a degree in the first place.
You need 5ot 10 yaers experience. Then you get the good job closer to 40. That is life and the degree is to get you a $15/hr job starting out where you now need to prove yourself and gain references. The degree pays off over 20 years. Not the day you graduate
"My job is my passion" is often nonsense said by those who are doing it because the money is good. I know people who used to say that all the time and then when they totally left the field I asked, "what happened to your passion?" Often the answer was "the money dried up and guess I moved onto new things."
Some of those people are just overzealous and new to the field so they think they see potential where there really is NONE. For real. I have met new managers who just don't have a lot of management experience who say things like that and those are the first ones who hit the wall---HARD---when they realize their company couldn't care less about what happens to them or the problems they experience in their work.
Probably true in most cases, although I haven't heard many people utter this phrase. Programming had been my primary hobby for a decade before I started to work full time. Now that I work with it, I don't do much programming in my spare time, yet I don't think I lost my passion. So when I hear other programmers say it (which is a minority), I tend to believe them.
Yeah… I learned the hard way that putting in face time with your superiors will beat hard work every time. Made myself an indispensable employee, then watched as people with questionable work ethics made their way up the ladder ahead of me. Shopping for a new job now.
Been telling this exact information to people for YEARS and they just keep telling me I am lazy or you just gotta work harder. It's like beating my head against a rock. Thank bro glad people are begging to see the light.
Yes! This is not a new concept. My parents are baby boomers in their 60s now, and they always had this mentality. I never remember my parents working over 8 hours in a day ever. People have been doing this for years. I hate when people say " gen z and millennials are lazy etc..." it's been going on
@@TMeyer-ge5pj My father for sure put in way more then 40 hours a week. My step dad put in way more then 40 hours a week. However your point is still valid and understood. Many, Many, people including my father and step-father were at the least week workers and did not work on the weekends unless they we traveling for work. I was putting in 70 hour minimum weeks my last job and that usually included Saturday.
I've come to the conclusion that most higher-up positions are occupied by post turtles. Imagine walking down a road with a fence beside it. You spot a turtle on top of a post and wonder how in the world it got there. It's like that when walking down the road of one's professional life spotting people in positions that make one wonder how in the world did they come to occupy the position. I've come to the conclusion that the post turtles have learned the art of the circle-jerk. They learn how to make a higher-up feel good... so the higher-up places them on a post. Working hard is not the key... getting a higher-up "hard" using the right jargon is the key.
Damn this is a great analogy I love this. I often see people in higher positions than me and wonder who tf thought they’d make a good manager or whatever they are. It boggles my mind. And then I wonder who they did favors for to get there 🙄🫣
Worst advice I ever got? The German/Czech descendants where I grew up in south Texas are very hard working people. I'll give them that. But....they have this notion - that I guess their grandfathers brought with from Europe - that you should get a job and then just grind it out at that job for the rest of your life, even if the pay is garbage, even if the company and the supervisors are garbage. Even to this day, they still maintain the belief that a person should hold on to a job with a death grip, regardless of how bad it is. When we were still living in the area many years back and I told some of friends of my plans to go back to school at the age of 32 and get my A&P license (required for working on aircraft), they couldn't believe I was going to walk away from my job at a rural electric co-op, a job that did not pay well, offered no hope for improvement, and looking back on it over thirty years later, is still the worst job I ever had. Even when I explained why I wanted to go back to school and why that co-op was such a bad place to work, they said, "Yeah, but you should play it safe and just hang on to that job." Essentially, they told me I needed to stick it out for the rest of my life at that crummy horrible job, trading away the opportunity to better myself financially for "job security". The problem is, people willing to make that trade usually end up with neither one.
“You’ve done such an incredible job for us but unfortunately as much as it pains me to say, we just can’t afford raises this year. But I promise next time we bring donuts, you get the first pick before anyone else.” ~conversation between me and my last employer after having worked about 60 hours minimum for a year straight with no PTO or sick days taken. My two weeks was handed to him on the spot.
No judgement. Just wondering why you worked that hard without taking PTO. What was your motivation to do that? Did you assume you would get a raise or promotion?
Why on earth would you do that? I hate to say it just that’s really on you. Work for the pay you currently make, not what you hope or expect they will pay you in the future. And take the PTO you have EARNED or you have no one to blame but yourself. Also, I’m sure your colleagues loved the comparison.
@@rinakat5783 Because I’m of the dumbass old school mentality that if you work hard, dedicate your life to a company that would drop you like a hot potato if you slightly inconvenience them, that maybe one day I’ll get ahead and be successful. There’s no favoritism or nepotism in the workplace right? We all earn everything we work hard for right? Well, after a failed marriage, alcoholism, career loss, and financial ruin, I learned that’s all bullshit. I’m so glad I found this page. It’s opened my eyes a lot. I’ll be starting my own business in the near future so I’ll never have to answer to anyone else again.
Corporations are not your friend. I worked at a larger corporation for eight years. After eight months I knew it was not for me. I spent the rest of the time working for myself on the side getting ready to eventually open my own business. The marketing knowledge gained was very useful.
Yes and be willing to leave the job if the issues are bad enough. Just walk away. We were all taught to stick it out and endure whatever at a "good" company that has benefits but the reality is if you're experiencing those kinds of issues, it's probably not a "good" company for YOU (and probably others who are suffering silently). HR isn't for employees.
If you have an issue with someone pull them aside in a private place, office and talk to them face to face. If someone else sits in or does the talking for you it doesn't come off as confident.
@Luke5100 Yes, if you don't/can't do your job at all, you generally don't keep it. It only takes minor effort to maintain or even climb ranks if you are in with the right people, though. I've seen this in my own personal experience across many jobs. People that I KNOW I outperform, but since they are the manager's nephew or a politician's kid, they get the promotion, despite their constant dicking off while working. Fucking horse shit.
@luke5100Honestly, it's really much more applicable in non-technical careers. The more technical you are - the less this matters (though it still plays a role).
Definitely don't go to HR with complaints about a colleague. I was employed on a fixed term contract of 3 months at an architect's practice and did so well for the company that the client called my boss to tell them how well I was doing on site and with all the work I was assigned. I used to work late hours too. The team I was working alongside also commended and praised me for my efforts. I got my contract extended for a further 6 months after that and even got a fat salary increase. One of the older members of the company seemed to have an issue with me and I went to the bosses about this. There was no HR department. A short while later I was told that my contract was not being renewed due to the types of projects the company will be taking on and that I'm not a good fit for that. Coincidence? I think not. My contract came to an end and I am still without work for 3 months now.
Consider taking some temp assignments while you recover to partially replace your income. Finally, a piece of advice that I really have not been good at. Try to enjoy your free time because you have earned it.
Good luck with finding work. My only advice would be to learn from what didn't go well in the last job and move forward knowing what not to do in your next role. As long as you know your abilities you'll be fine.
One of the downsides with temp work. It sucks! When I did it I told myself I am not an X, I am an actor and my cubicle was my stage. My show was an extended job interview to get hired. No more no less. That means being a brown noser and not complaining and being greateful for a job as the power dynamic is gone. So view yourself as an actor doing a show and a sales job than a role and get along with everyone. If something isn't right start looking for the next role. Never try to fix it as it will backfire
My condolences and sympathy with you. Problem is hr department is their to save company. My friend reported a stolen software by my coworker and the person reporting that issues was fired instead of person who brought that stolen software to the company. I am packing my bags. Doing politics is one thing but this is sheer crime by HR.
Can confirm on the "Just stick with it" and "loyalty" part. I worked a security gig at a warehouse. The company I worked for does not care about you or how much you put in and improve circumstances to help the company and the clients company. I lost the position to that account for a really small slip up in my 5+ years working there. The company was (and still is) terrible at treating their employees which ultimately led to a high turnover rate. That is not to mention the fact that they went through 5 management teams and each ended up at the same result: poor planning, bad communication, and extreme lack of knowledge on what goes on outside the room they rarely leave. Unfortunately, with security when they let you go, they throw you at accounts that are equally as bad or worse until you quit as it's a loop hole to avoid unemployment. Can also agree with applying for 8 hours a day burns you out and isn't completely effective as I've gone through it for the past couple weeks. Getting a new job soon through an employment agency but I shall see how that goes.
I learned the hard way about going "above and beyond" for my past employer (who I was with longer than I should have) as employers may ultimately not be grateful enough for the loyalty, time and effort you put into them and can find a reason to let you go. So it may be best to be employed with a given company for not more than 2-4 years.
There really is NO good reason to be loyal to most companies these days. Most of them are not loyal to their employees and don't even treat them that well. That advice about being loyal to companies is from 50 years out, totally outdated.
If you're on a team with individual metrics, it's easy to stand out. Once you get promoted (if you get promoted) you'll be working on very large projects where it is utterly and completely impossible to stand out. Best case scenario, you get all your work done and have nothing to do while you wait for another team, another person on the project, or even a contractor/vendor to complete their work so you have more to do; best case scenario is that the project is completed and the project team gets accolades. The only way to stand out is to be falling behind, struggling with the work, and or disrupting the projects goals; all ways you *DONT* want to stand out.
Totally agree regarding degrees. I have 2 Master's and 1 PhD degree, and I must say education is useless unless you have the right connections. I have seen people with only a bachelor's degree jump to the top of the career ladder faster than a bullet. Also, Nationality is extremely important. No one is going to hire you if you are "Iranian or Russian" regardless of how high your skills are. So choose wisely your birthplace! =)
There is nothing wrong to born at Iranian or Russian, you have to change your mindset, you need to remove the victim mentality, but i do agreed with you about the connection if you meet the right people you will be good with your career.
@@20-NYC In what? What do you have a bachelors in? We have to stop pretending that "English Lit" or "Philosophy", and "Accounting" and "Finance" are perfectly equal. Sorry. Most Lib Arts Degrees are only good if you also major in teaching or get a Doctorate and teach as a tenured Professor.
Work hard but leverage those skills you earned for you next job. No one at your current job will notice but your next employer will pay you for the little things. Advocate for yourself, dont tolerate bs, and earn what your worth. If you dont feel valued by your employer, start looking.
What you said about getting a master's degree resonates with me. I got one in data science in an effort to change careers. This degree has not impressed any employer I've applied to.
My master's degree only hindered me more because some employers see that and assume you're overqualified for whatever the position is. Yeah, but I still need to eat and pay the bills? I got a bit of ribbing when I finished my degree and was a janitor (and that janitor job was the best paying one I'd ever had up to that point. Too bad there were no raises to be seen and the work environment became more toxic over time. I would've stuck with it otherwise).
I've seen that happen so much that I've lost all interest in one, even though originally that was my main goal. It's about as disheartening as watching someone with kids get passed over for someone less qualified. Meanwhile, if you get a good internship in college, you're on a conveyor belt to management, even if you're mediocre as a worker.
@@peregrination3643 Yeah, if you can find away to learn what you want to learn without getting a master's degree, that might be the best option. The best would be to pick up new skills at your current job, but that's not always possible.
@@tallyp.7643My best job having worked in many offices, call centre, retailers was being a low paid Fast Food Worker, nobody else understood why I stayed in that job the longest with an Accounting Degree. The People I worked with were all mostly good people in my store so it never felt like a stressful job. I kept it as my part time weekend 2nd job alongside my fulltime office job (which I did not enjoy). Eventually the good people left and I knew it was time to quit.
I feel like where I work, it’s very true, that it’s far more important who you know and who likes you, absolutely. Unfortunately, although I have a good work ethic and usually get a lot of work done, I don’t see myself getting advanced any higher because I don’t interview well at all; I feel like I do repetitive work all day and it seems impossible to provide good answers to their complex interview questions. For now, I’ve given up trying to move up and just try to do well enough to keep my current job. I’m also very introverted and so I probably lack the social skills/interest in social interactions needed to get promoted.
I've been hired by so many on-call jobs, that job hopping isn't really a problem, and honestly, has been better for my resume actually getting me more jobs. For A/V's more manual labor side, once you get initially hired, it makes getting the next job easier. However, moving up is extremely difficult no matter how much "hard work" you put in. I don't know how people manage to do it, but it always feels like any significant change in upping your position is like returning to the job market new again
Thank you for posting this advice!! I made most of these mistakes, except getting a masters degree! I have been in positions where I worked, my butt off, and was let go due to a lay off, or just not being liked. My best advice is update. Update update your skills
Thank you for telling me not to focus too much time per day on applying for jobs. I am in a good financial position so it's not as pressing. I feel more pressure in my own mind that I will be judged negatively for the time I am off and that there must be something wrong with me. After leaving a job with burnout it takes time to relax/recover and know what types of jobs to apply for. Also to regain confidence. Also, how often do most Americans take more than a couple days off from their jobs? This in-between time can be that long needed break if you can financially handle it. I have a giant list of things to take care of at home that I finally have time for so that's a possitive.
I feel ya. I got so depressed going through the job boards and scraping the bottom of the barrels trying to find something I could apply to. So now instead, I just search every 3 days. I like that Indeed can just show you posts from a certain time frame, so I make sure to schedule a time to peruse the boards and look at "last 3 days" in the results list. Cuts my search time down big time, I can bookmark or just focus on the ones that I could reasonably apply for (and if there's nothing, I go to the saved results section and do some more research, then apply to those).
The worst career advice I've received: "You need to be putting in the extra hours and always be on the job so it will pay dividends over time for this position". The outcome of me doing that was getting fired.
The "hard work pays off" failed me at a global company where I gave it my all and at the end of the year I got awarded the best in my team due to outstanding metrics. Seems good right? I was fired a few months later due to issues with HR (second point).
I like job hopping, I started as an IT Clerk and in around 5y I reached the level of a Senior Technical Support Specialist, if I stayed processing the same info for the last 5 years, I wouldn't have done it and got so far And I get to know more people, get different perspectives and discuss different topics in the field
Very good! As someone who has been in the work force for more decades than I care to say AND has worked in HR in specialty roles, and has had a side hustle that satisfies my true interests, I totally agree!
Totally agree in the not sticking out in a toxic job, just getting out of that situation and I'm scared but happy to take that decision. It's not worth your health or time.
I had a coworker who literally dumped perfume on the ground and forced me to work from home because I was allergic to it. And put up signs saying I should be fired. And I WAS the person who was labeled as a problem employee, and the only reason why I wasn't fired is that I fired an EEOC injunction against the company making retaliation illegal.
my last job lost several people pretty quickly during the flu (they already fired me for nothing) so they hired 3 guys from a sausage factory....to which they gave pay no 1, 2 and 3 on the ladder....everyone else left when they learned about that and they went bankrupt....i was pretty happy to hear that
Your advice on spending all your time applying is so valuable. Spend time to clear your mind. For me it gave me time to start the building blocks of my own creative agency.
I said that to someone and she accused me of being lazy, she had no knowledge of the job market because she was in a family business, and had been for a long time. I no longer have anything to do with her.
Exercise and morning journaling have been helpful getting over the frustration of a long stretch of job searching. Gets the negative junk out of your head for sure.
Bottom Line is never forgetting who is #1 and that is you. The opinions of others does not define who you really are. Don't give them that chance and never forget who you are really are. You need to be your best friend.
I remember at one point when I was looking for a job and had been making a few applications. One day I got an email from a company saying the usual "... unfortunately on this occasion we have decided not to proceed with your application...". I couldn't remember having applied for this role, and I got this note when I had just completed my second month in a new role. So, the very impersonal and obviously automated email came to me after I had applied for, interviewed through several rounds, onboarded, started, and been working two months _at another company!_ How is their process so broken that they take over three months to say sorry but we're not considering your application?
Best advice I’ve gotten is to always have an emergency fund at least 3-6-12 months depending on your situation (ex. if you have kids etc). This gives you peace of mind in case something happens out of your control.
Minimum (6) months, ideally a full year of your after tax income. That may seem harsh, but it is what is needed. When out of work, find some job to supplement your lost income, like temporary work.
Yes! Alongside that, have a side income so that you can make money while you look for a job. Or if you get laid off, make the side hustle your main hustle !
1. Hard work doesn't payoff anymore. 2. NEVER go complain to HR unless is strictly necessary. 3. Don't look for "something you love" as a job; do something you are good at, are ok with and gives you a good enough compensation. 4. Companies don't give a #$%& about loyalty. You are simply a disposable asset. 5. Don't burnout yourself with job searching. 6. Do job hop for better compensation+benefits. 7. Things WILL NOT get better, go away as soon as the job shows to have 0 benefits mid-long term. 8. Employees don't care about titles nearly as much as you do.
I'm trying to pivot my career, but this channel has been very insightful. I keep getting told "Apply to it anyway" for jobs that aren't a good fit. That advice is often coupled with "They will train you" and "The worst is that they can say is 'no'". Aside from maybe recent college/trade school grads, these days new hires are expected to "hit the ground running" and applying to jobs you know you won't get wastes time, effort, and energy, especially for those who aren't natural salespersons. Another favorite is to shotgun applications at one company if they have multiple openings that might be a good fit. In my experience, those openings are likely handled by the same HR person and if they get more than one application from the same candidate at once, it telegraphs that this candidate doesn't know what they want.
The one career advice I have heard is "figure out what you love to do and make sure you stay there, stability in 1 job is key." This maybe true in the old days like Chrysler/GM, Dupont or companies that are older. There is no such thing as job security. Make sure you have a job you love. ❤
I was told by someone at the reemployment agency (who should really know better) that my resume needed to be optimized to prevent the ATS system from blocking/rejecting it.
A lot of workplaces are like high school, there are groups that gossip and groups that are popular. Promotions go to the popular people and it's important not to get caught up in work gossip because that can work against you
Great points. The one about applying to jobs really hit hard for me. I have a decent job but want to test the market for $$ and better commute. I applied to maybe 15-20 jobs In a month span. Not a huge amount but I got reached out by 7 for screening. Interviewed for about 5 of them. Probably about 8 interviews between all of them (Phone calls, video calls, and in person). The constant scheduling, prep work, questioning, emails, driving etc that I dealt with really burned me out. And to top it off, I didn’t get any offers. Lol I’m glad i have a pretty good job now because I took a break.
I have a question to which I still have no answer: why do we still go to college or university and take it so seriously? Most employers don't even value most rubbish degrees any more, and the cost is so much greater than the ROI.
I think an engineering degree is good for just about anyone that has the dedication to complete it. I was offered a medical software job paying 82k at an awesome company just because they like hiring engineers and other technical majors. They even flew me and my girlfriend out for 3 days to tour the facility and explore the area. Just because I had a degree and interviewed well. 0 experience in software support or development. I didn’t take it because I actually wanted to work in manufacturing, but it would have been an excellent opportunity for someone who wasn’t sure about their career choice yet.
@@ourtube4266 This, My major is Chem Eng but I landed a job at Finance because they told me they like how engineers think and approach problems. at the end of the day what matters is how you can apply your skills to what they need
The higher education system in the USA is broken and needs to be reworked. Higher education in Europe is free. We need a fix that is somewhere in the middle.
@@deepthinker999 : It definitely is broken and that's just widely acknowledged at this point. Thankfully people are starting to see it and walk away. Some companies are starting not to require the degree anymore. I hope to see this trend continue until higher education figures it out and starts making it worth the effort again, but that's going to take a while for them to fix what's broken in their system so I won't hold my breath.
Great video! I would add the advice that says one should take a low paying job with a certain company just to get their foot in the door. Once you do this you have seriously anchored your salary. Like was said in this video, loyalty is not rewarded so if you do bust your tail and get a promotion or two most likely it will only be 10% more and that will impact you for years to come if you stay with that company.
My loyalty to companies got me extremely far! 1. FedEx - one of the most productive employees (which got me a write-up from a false accusation from a driver). Which was all on camera, but management refused to be billed for the footage exonerating me. 2. Anheuser - again, one of the most productive employees and fastest at my job (which got my unpaid vacation slashed from 13 to 8 days a year). 3. Rooter - very productive and attentive to job details (in which I was scammed out of half my pay due to a number of loopholes in their employment paperwork). They owed me $975 and paid out $424. I walked on the spot with that stunt.
I learned the hard way about complaining about coworkers slacking. I thought I was just making the boss aware of the situation. The coworkers were basically getting away with doing an eighth of the amount of work I was. I thought I was just being informative. Nope, that's for the boss to figure out on their own accord. I'm not the one paying their salary. I was being nosy (also I'm old, so I get that hoity toity I know better thing which also backfired). I learned to stay in my lane. When layoffs came around, guess who got the boot. Not the slowpoke's producing virtually nothing. It was me, miss tattletale. So I have new better advice for myself. "Stay in your lane"
Snitches end up with stiches were I come from! You never, ever snitch to a boss about lazy, good for nothing employees! They know who is a bum or bummette at work, so you had to learn the hard way: Your boss is not your friend and half the time he/she may not even like you! Lesson: See no evil, hear no evil at work! That's your best policy!
HR will usually ask you certain personal questions during the interview not because they are interested with you but so that they could eliminate you among the candidates for the position or if they hired you, they will use them against you in the future when they are gonna fire you or lay you off with the job.
I did an interview once where I was asked a question that assumed I had kids. I answered that the issue they were referring to would not come up at all, because I don't have kids. Interviewer was shocked and asked "Why not?!?!" Very unprofessional, and this was for one of the best-known and best-rated companies in my area! I was then told I moved on to the next stage and would hear back soon... and never heard back from them again. I still wonder why not having kids disqualified me. The job had absolutely nothing to do with kids or interacting with them in any capacity. The issue they were referring to was impossible for me to have, simply because I don't have kids. Maybe they thought having kids would make someone more dependable?
Apart from the mind opening points and great discussion of the topic, I also noticed a decent language and precise descriptions by using accurate terms. You did a great job explaining a topic rarely spoken yet many suffer silently. Unusual mind blowing analysis. 1000s like!
They don't notice you when you work hard, but when you make mistakes...THAT'S when they take notice...especially when they don't train you properly and you make it known to everyone. Civil Service jobs are NOT as secure as people make them out to be. They fall victim to city, state and government rules, regulations and issues. With another government shutdown looming, federal, etc jobs of that stature are on shaky ground.
@ladymay7789 - In UK Civil Service jobs are mostly 1 year frequently extended contracts these days compared to these same roles having been permanent back in the 90s so having been made redundant from multiple of these jobs I still have people assuming I have Job Security when I mention where I work. The reputation of the past job security is stuck in the mentality of both older and even Gen Z generation, they also assume Teaching is a lifelong job but most are hired on contract too.
I love your channel and I appreciate all the advice you put out there. It’s difficult to find good advice on how to deal with a job history affected by illnesses. I was disabled for almost 2 years and then I got to working again but was only able to get a job through an agency. After that I had my son who had medical issues and we had toxic mold exposure so I was out of work for a few years again and I’m doing an entry-level job now that doesn’t pay very well and I’m struggling to provide for my family. My résumé looks like a mess. There is no laziness involved here. It’s just unfortunate things that have happened to me and I’m trying to make the best of it. Is this something that you can make a video on that would help people like me, or is it something you really need individualized advice about?
Not exactly the worst advice, but a common one amongst the older generation is “Where you went to school matters.” Hence the big emphasis on getting into an Ivy League because they’re the best schools out there.
Well, coming from personal experience I can give you a good advice for a change: "If a company rewards your hard work with even more work, then it is not your company."
One of the worst pieces of career misadvice I ever found was “Use your natural strengths and what you are good at”. Speaking from hard earned life experience, it not only doesn’t work and it is extremely stress-inducing and ultimately unfulfilling if it’s a job that holds no interest for you. Especially when it doesn’t yield greater results, and I speak from experience having done that the hard way. To sum it up - you are wrong - Doing what you are naturally good at doesn’t work and it does cause more than just burnout and contrary to what you said, it doesn’t always yield greater results. I’m glad thatI left those jobs and I never will go back.
Was working fairly hard...got 3 awards within a year and some raises over it. Some asshole complained about me having "access to information" that would make my job way easier and streamlined and wasn't afraid of speaking directly to the higher ups. Was told no special treatment so i'm switching units and asking for a raise from a place with more money
On the flip side, many people have internalized the "don't work hard" thing way too hard over the past few years and they say they are "quiet quitting" when they are actually under-performing and pissing off their coworkers. Working hard will generally lead you in the right direction in life, even if it's not an immediate huge raise. Also when I was in my 20s I worked extra hard and that way, was able to pack loads of experience/learning in a short period of time so I didn't drag out my career for 40 years. And in the process, networking happens. Networking doesn't happening when you're quiet quitting from home
This is so true. Going above and beyond is usually seen as gold plating or taking too much initiative. At the same time you will get dinged for doing the bare minimum too.
I feel like there's a lot of advice out there when it comes to networking. I tried joining a Project Mgmt group in my area to netowrk and see if it was something I wanted to do but I was ignored. In fact, I kept getting ignored on that aspect. But, what about not asking questions? Because when I am on interviews the managers always seem taken aback when I ask them things.
@@vigglarodz yep so meny Network Groups are really snobby you must be someone already. new well the network is not going to even the tinniest of fingers. because they see no reason to help you if you dont have value to them right now.
The worst career advice I got was to be honest about the reason I needed so much time off (doctor's appointments) and what my condition is. Yeah, there may be "protections" against firing people with disabilities, but they found other reasons to let me go shortly after that conversation. I suppose I could have fought it, but I just got another job and kept my mouth shut
Thanks. (1.) The movies made HR out to be a “fair weather friend”. In real life, it’s so absolutely not. HR is trained to kill and WILL do so. (2.) Looking for work “full-time” can be depressing. Sometimes, you need to take regular breaks and, sometimes, an entire day or long weekend. Cheers.
Also, it's doubtful that many if any jobs are gonna be posted on Saturday or Sunday, anyway, so those are the best days to either polish the resume, do some trainings online, or just flat-out relax.
I agree with the HR thing. In fact, when I had a colleague at a former job get upset at me, I actually went to my boss and asked him about the situation but framed it in a way where I inquired what I had done. Mind you, I hadn't done anything, but we had an informal discussion about this person who was being mad and I found out they had an issue with mental health. So it was resolved without anybody getting hurt.
Saw the writing on the wall. Interviewed for a similar job in the next county (State positions). I had the skills. The job even paid a little bit less. Did not get the next job and got fired from the one I had. I was a great employee. But, my predecessor had been pushed out as well. Everyone in that organization catered to my supervisor. Don't know what she had over them. She got away with a lot.
A former boomer boss gave me this career advice: Boomer Boss: Do you know where success begins? Me: Where? Boomer Boss: Success begins at the 14th and 15th hour of work per day. This was in the early 90’s. He did “very well” careerwise. However, he died 1 year after he retired. Very sad
I just came across this video. Great job, thx a lot. The first bad career advice I actually got from my parents who told me to look for a stable safe job like a techer. I hated the job after 2 weeks and after a year the school was closed down by the local government and I had to move back to my parents for a couple of months. In some european countries you see, there is a lot of sentiment towards something which the older generations calls "a safe government job". The worst thing was that it was actually my very first job and I was devastated and broke. But it taught me two lessons: first: there is no such thing as any kind of safe job and from that time on I always try to have a contingency plan in case of I loose my job and second: don't trust the government, even local one. Then I got a normal job and after a few years when I was leaving my boss reminisced how funny it was watching me getting used to the fact that I was not getting a break after every 45 minutes of work (that's how it worked at school).
Good tips! I’d add a couple other times when it’s OK to go to HR - when you’re being discriminated against for your gender or for your disability. Really good times to talk to HR. If you have an accommodation on file for your disability and your boss doesn’t respect it, especially if it’s something simple like you’re allowed to have a note taker during meetings or you’re allowed to sit in a quiet area, definitely talk to HR about that stuff! I worked at a major cable network and one of the anchors would shake his fist at all the female employees and called us all bitches over the headset. I wish I went to HR. Please go to HR if that happens to you or your female colleagues. Even if you’re a guy.
Job hopping - when I hire I get loads of resumes from 28-30 year olds with loads of jobs, no cover letter, claiming to know loads of computer programs to a point where it feels very unbelievable. It all feels very much like "panic applying" has become the norm. I am very concerned they will quit quickly, I have legitimately seen people job hop between good jobs for absolutely no reason.
Good job meets the requirement temp but some people are always looking to improve and progress so they are looking for the next best move which could mean leaving one good job for the hopes of a better one..
@@20-NYC That leads nowhere most of the time. You need skills to get a better high paying job. Once you get enough experience and skills then you negotiate a higher pay. You can't try to grow faster than your actual skills. If you can code and know many different operating systems after 6 months then you can negotiate a 90K salary but everyone can't just think they stumble upon a high paying job without adding value.
In that case , put more money in career advancement and less for external hires. The thing is , even if you are promoted internally , you will be paid less than a new hire. I was promoted to a position for a new service , got a 15 % raise , but somebody I ended up working with , coming from outside hire for the same position was earning almost 30 % more. Which is a joke and also the best argument for jumping from one company to another. It is pure greed here.
People need to stop treating the "company" or "business", as a entity! it is an entity of growth.... but not for you. grow yourself and you will expand no matter what you choose to do.
Re HR: I've found that if HR knows who you are, that's not good. Simple as that. You need to find another job because once you are on "Their list" you will never go anywhere. Even one complaint to them - even a legit complaint - is enough. If you have a real gripe, go to your boss. Let THEM go to HR.
True to a degree. A lot of times you shouldn't go to your boss either. I've found that anytime I've had a problem with a coworker, that coworker usually turned out to be FRIENDS with the boss and most bosses are NOT going to go against their friends or even people they find particularly useful to whatever they're trying to do. Just avoid management at all if you have problems with people in your company. Get your work done, learn some skills and move on to another company when you are ready. Many of these companies are poorly managed and are composed of cliques and clubs anyway so it just doesn't benefit you as a worker to make waves or even take the management seriously enough to bring problems to them.
I'm highly suspicious of bosses who hang out with certain employees after work hours. I don't see how that wouldn't turn into some kind of clique if they're not inviting everyone. And even if they ARE inviting everyone to hang out, I still don't see how some wouldn't become friendlier than others. I like bosses who are friendly but keep a certain amount of distance at work with their employees. I don't want to know all about my boss' personal matters are work and if I find out that my coworkers know all their business, that tells me a LOT about the boss. I can see if coworkers decide to share their personal lives a bit more with each other but the boss really needs to be more professional than that just based on the power structure.
I read about this in WSJ recently, it's called the 80% principle. Apply 80% effort and you'll probably end up getting promoted and advancing (without burning out). This is sustainable. 100% max effort is naive. ALWAYS be looking out for the bigger better deal. Loyalty is dead
I do think the ”job hopping” is overrated - as mentioned in the video, there is only value to switching a job if its making a signficant positive value to you. There is no value of switching to another very similiar type job with a very similiar salary, work environment and other same settings. Advancing your career is hard and just hopping around for the sake of hopping around is just tiresome and not really worth it in my opinion. It usually works best in start of your careee but as you start to earn more and have better terms, the opportunities for significant upgrades become less and less available.
yeah, when I hire I get loads of resumes from 30 year olds who claim to know every computer program, who have had five jobs and there is no logic as to why they're hopping, and worse, now they don't even include cover letters to tie it together. People look like scattered messes. I wish they thought about how it's received on the other end. I have 200 other people with scattered histories, why should I talk specifically to you?
@@istvanpraha its because companies despise employees now so employees do to....its a hate/hate relationship.....whenever im in an interview i always pretty quickly say ''look lets cut all the crap try me one full day and if im good enough hire me and if not pay me half and we'll each be on our way''
I do agree with you that the relationship has gotten a bit adversarial. I'm in a position where mgt wants to go back to the office but the cost of living has skyrocketed here so half the people can no longer afford to be here. Then they aren't backfilling people who quit, and promoted someone who is lazy to try them out. Feels like no matter what makes us lowly ones unhappy will get implemented@@kokocaptainqc
The “loyalty” tip was absolutely on point. Things will not get better, that’s what lottery players think and they’re cash cows for the people running them. Luck < Change any day.
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The HR thing is true, I made some complaints about a certain individual and health and safety issue, then after I found My self cut off from opportunities to get premonition. All extra jobs stopped managers stopped asking Me to do jobs of trust, and found anyway they could to cut Me off from doing anything other then My basic job role. Often actually discriminating against Me and lies, right till the end I could tell that if they could of found a reason to get rid of Me they would have.
Please cover of work advice by "billionaire or influential like Jack ma"
You really did not explain HR's purpose as much as you probably should/could have:
HR's Purpose
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HR, labor relations, is an office dedicated to protecting the company, they are not there for you, or the manager, but instead the company. They will do whatever is in the best interest of the company. Sometimes the easiest way to make a problem go away is to A move people, B ignore it, C build a case to discredit and safely remove the complainer. HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, they are not on your side.
One Sided Confidentiality and Documentation in the HR Office
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Sometimes the notes that are taken are simply thrown away, and if you complained about a supervisor they may be told exactly what you have said. If it is in the best interest of the company to document or keep something confidential, then in that case it will. Nothing you say is confidential, and none of it may be documented. If you are the biggest threat to the company due to you noticing or complaining about wrong doing on the part of your employer, then the only one that gets actually investigated may be you.
If You Decide to Talk to HR
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Keep it short, and request something that takes little effort on their part that can make the problem go away: a lateral move or transfer, a switch of shifts, a relocation closer to where you live. Mention wrong doing, but briefly and without accusing the company, accuse the supervisor and frame it as you asking the company for help. If they think a massive potential problem can be solved with a simple move/transfer/shift change then it is in the company's best interest to come to that win win solution.
Other times you won't have an issue with a coworker or supervisor, but just need a change of role or shift.
Even Legitimate Complaints to HR May Result in Job Loss
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It really does not matter if your complaint is legitimate so much as if it is in the best interest of the company to investigate and address it. You could be entirely innocent and in the right, and they may choose to investigate, discredit, and remove you to limit their own liability and risk. They are not there for you, they are not there to be fair, they are there for the company.
When applying for a higher pay position and don't get it, their advice is always "Keep trying." Well, I did by getting a job with another company. 😃
99% of the time it's not worth it to beg/negotiate for a raise, much better to jump ships
@human_hope this is my issue as well. As i work with a company, my experience is growing and i should naturally be offered 50% of the market raise to keep me happy. I shouldn't have to justify my raise, you kept me because i make you money. If i need to create a whole meeting, presentation, etc to get a raise, im just gonna search for another job.
@@asadb1990 Exactly" you keep me because I make you money". Isn't that justification enough?
@carochan86 yeah its sad. There is a saying in south asia that roughly translates to " the chicken dish at home is like the lental dish at a restaurant." Which ends up meaning many employers stop caring about their existing employers rather than reward them and then are shocked when that employee leaves.
@@asadb1990 it costs more to train and recruit a new employee than it is to keep an old one. To me it would make more sense to keep your employees happy .
It's been argued lately that a company prefers letting go of their good workers than fix their toxic management.
That never makes the company better. I have been laid off several jobs in my 10+ year career as a structural engineer because I did my job really well. Then those bosses end up quitting or getting fired. You can tell them apart because they PIP their employees for no good reason.
Yeah. They prefer that management over workers who point out the problems with the management. This is sadly why a lot of companies end up falling apart. But it is what it is. You just have to watch this happen with companies that do that sort of thing. Sadly most companies where I've worked have been like this and from everything I've read about management...MOST management operates the same way. This is why so many workers are totally disengaged from their jobs and just stop caring about what happens where they work. Apathy eventually becomes the best protection when these companies inevitably go down in flames from their own poor choices.
I 100% believe this
Have seen this from experience. One reason is that it's easier to replace the entry level workers than it is to replace the people in managerial roles. Another reason is that, unfortunately, a lot of what you might think is bad management is actually them doing exactly what their own superiors are asking them to do. That includes micro managing, infantilizing, instilling fear in order to gain compliance, and so on.
The brass in every company never admits they are wrong
The worst career advice I was told coming out of college was that "the job hiring process is fair." Bull. Shit!
No. Shit.
that's not advice though
Yeah, as fair as being kicked in the balls during a boxing match.
We all know they like to play favouritism to whoever licks their boots the most.
CSR and EEO work against men
Yep. It's all who you know. Some 20 year old just got hired at my company because she knows the dept. manager. Another lady who also recently got hired for the same title has years of experience teaching ( which applies to the industry) and it is so fucking unfair.
"Hard work" without opportunity is just hard work.
Its actually closer to slavery.
Well said
@@PolishBehemoth in fact im pretty sure actual slavery will come back soon as in ''we'll give you a job and in exchange we'll give you some bread and water
Hard work only gets you more work and taken advantage of. Yet many places outright demand you to go above and beyond to earn their pittance raises or get PIP'ed if you're working in tech.
that is so true
Preach!
Thats why i suggest for tech workers to work outside tech and you treated like royalty. The pay is not as high but if you are fairly good, job is very stable and hard to replace
Yes, and when you point it out they lay you off or start targeting you for minuscule issues to grade you down.
@@asadb1990 when you say work outside of tech, can you explain it a bit more?
My biggest advice and learned this the hard way... coworkers are not your "friends.". I am very social with my coworkers, but I figure anything I say will make its way around. I always jokingly say "whatever rumors you hear about me, they are all true!". .
Get along with folks, converse, do lunch, but be guarded.
Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion over the years. There are just too many people with personal issues to go to work thinking you can just be friends with anybody. A lot of these people have an ax to grind and emotional issues and sadly even trying to avoid them because of their issues can make you a target if you start out being too friendly with them (learned this the hard way). It's best to go in and start from a place of "I'm just here to do a job" and leave it at that. Unfortunately you will still run into people who have issues with that mentality as well, but it's sadly the best way to go with the workplace today. At this point I reguard work as a paycheck and just tasks to learn how to do. I avoid a lot of that personal stuff, especially when I can see from a mile away that the people I'm dealing with are going to have issues.
@@Liz-wz8dh I agree. Work shouldn't be about making friends or socializing. I found out that the best environment for this is a remote work. The way of communicating with colleagues the remote work enforces (i.e. strictly only when required by work tasks, without some useless pep talks) effectively prevents getting too close to them, and for them to get close to you, to learn your weaknesses. For them you're just some soulless digital entity on the other side of a meeting, and that's fine, as long as you're there to make money.
@@ildar5184 Yes ALL OF THIS. That's why I'm such a huge advocate for remote work. Idc what anybody else says or what they feel. It's the best way to go.
Ya my friend got fired and after that my reputation was damaged a bit too.
I've never actually willingly done lunch with coworkers. I hate eating with people I don't feel close too
Meanwhile the rich owners: “I worked really hard to become the CEO of the company my dad gave me!”
LMFAO you are my favorite comment lololol
That's not the case the vast majority of the time
@@HH-le1vi We understand there is a significant difference between a fortune 500 company and a ma an pa shop or an owner that has maybe 5 employees. However I worked for a 20 man construction company and that was the owner hands down, I work for a man who owned multiple fast food business and that was also him I worked for a 15 man HVAC company in Louisiana and while that was a pretty good owner that was also him. I have never met an owner of a company who wasn't wealthy out of the gate. Not an owner who had a million dollar a year company.
@@CallegriaofSoulbound The reality is that only 16% of millionaires come from inheritance. Not the 95% you want to make it out to be. And statistically speaking, the generation that inherits that wealth has a 70% chance of losing it all.
@@HH-le1viLink to that study?
I remember in a previous job, I used to work super hard everyday and I did that specific job better than anyone had done previously. Unfortunately, this backfired because I became completely irreplaceable in that position. So, when I put in for promotions I would get passed over because the manager knew he could never replace me in my current position, so he didn't want me to move up.
Eventually, the manager moved on and got replaced by a new manager who didn't value the work I was doing nearly as much, so I was actually able to get promoted after that.
Doesn't make much sense
@@the.blue.raven7777 He became so excellent in that position, that they would rather keep him there than take the time to train someone else. So promotions likely went to someone in management who’s dumber than a bag of hammers but is likely related to or sleeping with someone in management.
I'm in this spot right now.
@@the.blue.raven7777 it makes 100% sense, if you think about it for a second or two.
I was in the same boat before and I did burn the bridge to get promoted to another district within the same company
Worst advice to me is definitely “work hard will get you far”.
Sadly all that lead to was my mother suffering a heart attack and passing away.
I'm sorry that you died. Let us all know what that was like.
Do the hard work for a job that's actually worth it and you may get a different result. I think we were just taught to do hard work for jobs where the hard work doesn't actually pay off, that's the problem.
I worked too hard at my previous job and ended up with facial tics and a half-step away from a breakdown. Burned the candle at both ends, quit, and ended up with a lovely 6 month gap in my job history that I'm sure is still hurting me today... and a job that I enjoy but the operating hours are so limited I can't pay my bills. Healthier overall, at least, but damn.
The worst advice that I’ve received is “if you get at least a bachelor’s degree in any field, you can get any job that you want!”
I was told this too.
You were told this because 30+ years ago, there was some truth to this- especially if your degree was a from a school that fairly respected in the area. During the tech bubble in the 90s, for example, I had tons of friends who had liberal arts degrees but got offer soft-skilled IT consultant jobs with big companies. As long as you had a degree, they would train you. The big changes I've noticed over the years are 1) most companies are doing less andl less training (because it costs money) and 2) The number of people with degrees has continued to grow. There's a much great chance that someone will have a degree an employer is looking for. These days, I would say don't even bother with a degree unless you know the job you want, the current pay and demand for the position both now and the near future.
I’m very weary of those people they say “worked their way up from the bottom.” More like, they used their big mouths, made friends with the right people, ruthlessly did their bidding and became part of the team. Or they were related to/knew the right people.
As senior colleague once told me that I was focused on getting the job done while everyone else concentrated on getting ahead. Sadly mastering office politics is important whether you like it or not. I know one coworker who thought that office politics was fun and did very well for himself by playing it. You may not like it or think that it is wrong but it is reality.
Yep. Most of them just know how to work the office politics at their job.
Not true. I am someone who worked my way up from the bottom and I did none of the shady things you mentioned nor was I related to anyone there. However, it's always good to acquaint yourself with everyone. You want to build a good rapport with people because you never know when you may need them for something. That's just life in general. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, being likeable helps. Just be yourself at work. It's not that serious. 😂
How much is being spent on donuts?
This is so true for school principals. When I was teaching, I expected them to be wise and good with people. It was the exact opposite. They were terrible teachers so they became principals
"Go to college and get a good job." No mention of the 6 figures of debt and difficulty in actually getting a good job.
& that IT jobs are going begging when in reality that they are being outsourced to India, but you still need to pay off your student loan or have a crappy credit record for the rest of your life.
Unfortunately, unless you're going for a job in the hard sciences or you can get a degree for as close to free as possible, college is not going to get you a job by itself. Many colleges are having issues even staying open and attracting enough students and that's because they do not even know how to consistently connect their students to high paying jobs except in a few concentrated, high demand industries. If THEY can't figure out that formula, then why would they be useful in getting you a good job? Many of the college staff are also in the same boat as the graduates. Adjuncts teaching college classes barely make a living and that has been the case for decades. So that should probably tell you something as well.
EXACTLY. Every years there's hundreds of thousand graduates all competing for the same 100-200 positions. It leaves hundreds of thousands of graduates in six figure debt doomed to a job that didn't require a degree in the first place.
@@KTSpeedrunsWell Said.
You need 5ot 10 yaers experience. Then you get the good job closer to 40. That is life and the degree is to get you a $15/hr job starting out where you now need to prove yourself and gain references. The degree pays off over 20 years. Not the day you graduate
"My job is my passion" is often nonsense said by those who are doing it because the money is good. I know people who used to say that all the time and then when they totally left the field I asked, "what happened to your passion?" Often the answer was "the money dried up and guess I moved onto new things."
Some of those people are just overzealous and new to the field so they think they see potential where there really is NONE. For real. I have met new managers who just don't have a lot of management experience who say things like that and those are the first ones who hit the wall---HARD---when they realize their company couldn't care less about what happens to them or the problems they experience in their work.
Probably true in most cases, although I haven't heard many people utter this phrase.
Programming had been my primary hobby for a decade before I started to work full time. Now that I work with it, I don't do much programming in my spare time, yet I don't think I lost my passion. So when I hear other programmers say it (which is a minority), I tend to believe them.
My passion is money now
Yeah… I learned the hard way that putting in face time with your superiors will beat hard work every time. Made myself an indispensable employee, then watched as people with questionable work ethics made their way up the ladder ahead of me. Shopping for a new job now.
Been telling this exact information to people for YEARS and they just keep telling me I am lazy or you just gotta work harder. It's like beating my head against a rock. Thank bro glad people are begging to see the light.
Yes! This is not a new concept. My parents are baby boomers in their 60s now, and they always had this mentality. I never remember my parents working over 8 hours in a day ever. People have been doing this for years. I hate when people say " gen z and millennials are lazy etc..." it's been going on
@@TMeyer-ge5pj My father for sure put in way more then 40 hours a week. My step dad put in way more then 40 hours a week. However your point is still valid and understood. Many, Many, people including my father and step-father were at the least week workers and did not work on the weekends unless they we traveling for work. I was putting in 70 hour minimum weeks my last job and that usually included Saturday.
I've come to the conclusion that most higher-up positions are occupied by post turtles. Imagine walking down a road with a fence beside it. You spot a turtle on top of a post and wonder how in the world it got there. It's like that when walking down the road of one's professional life spotting people in positions that make one wonder how in the world did they come to occupy the position.
I've come to the conclusion that the post turtles have learned the art of the circle-jerk. They learn how to make a higher-up feel good... so the higher-up places them on a post. Working hard is not the key... getting a higher-up "hard" using the right jargon is the key.
Damn this is a great analogy I love this. I often see people in higher positions than me and wonder who tf thought they’d make a good manager or whatever they are. It boggles my mind. And then I wonder who they did favors for to get there 🙄🫣
First time I hear someone besides Jim Cornette use that phrase lol. Are you also from Louisville by any chance?
@@Famous_Athlete_Hashimoto West coast. My son made me aware of post turtles.
The peter principle is one of my fears.
Worst advice I ever got? The German/Czech descendants where I grew up in south Texas are very hard working people. I'll give them that. But....they have this notion - that I guess their grandfathers brought with from Europe - that you should get a job and then just grind it out at that job for the rest of your life, even if the pay is garbage, even if the company and the supervisors are garbage. Even to this day, they still maintain the belief that a person should hold on to a job with a death grip, regardless of how bad it is. When we were still living in the area many years back and I told some of friends of my plans to go back to school at the age of 32 and get my A&P license (required for working on aircraft), they couldn't believe I was going to walk away from my job at a rural electric co-op, a job that did not pay well, offered no hope for improvement, and looking back on it over thirty years later, is still the worst job I ever had. Even when I explained why I wanted to go back to school and why that co-op was such a bad place to work, they said, "Yeah, but you should play it safe and just hang on to that job." Essentially, they told me I needed to stick it out for the rest of my life at that crummy horrible job, trading away the opportunity to better myself financially for "job security". The problem is, people willing to make that trade usually end up with neither one.
“You’ve done such an incredible job for us but unfortunately as much as it pains me to say, we just can’t afford raises this year. But I promise next time we bring donuts, you get the first pick before anyone else.”
~conversation between me and my last employer after having worked about 60 hours minimum for a year straight with no PTO or sick days taken.
My two weeks was handed to him on the spot.
I bet they found that money for a raise, and it was probably not a great raise when they read and understood what that means
No judgement. Just wondering why you worked that hard without taking PTO. What was your motivation to do that? Did you assume you would get a raise or promotion?
Why on earth would you do that? I hate to say it just that’s really on you.
Work for the pay you currently make, not what you hope or expect they will pay you in the future. And take the PTO you have EARNED or you have no one to blame but yourself.
Also, I’m sure your colleagues loved the comparison.
@@rinakat5783 Because I’m of the dumbass old school mentality that if you work hard, dedicate your life to a company that would drop you like a hot potato if you slightly inconvenience them, that maybe one day I’ll get ahead and be successful. There’s no favoritism or nepotism in the workplace right? We all earn everything we work hard for right? Well, after a failed marriage, alcoholism, career loss, and financial ruin, I learned that’s all bullshit. I’m so glad I found this page. It’s opened my eyes a lot. I’ll be starting my own business in the near future so I’ll never have to answer to anyone else again.
@@BoringTroublemaker PTO???? Take days off??? You’re gonna leave us hanging, is that what family does to each other???? (Sarcasm)
Corporations are not your friend. I worked at a larger corporation for eight years. After eight months I knew it was not for me. I spent the rest of the time working for myself on the side getting ready to eventually open my own business. The marketing knowledge gained was very useful.
It might be better to talk things over with a counselor or therapist than going to complain to HR about a given work issue.
Nailed it. Very wise
@@savvyguy1353 yep. And I have YET to hear of HR siding with an employee over their boss.
Yes and be willing to leave the job if the issues are bad enough. Just walk away. We were all taught to stick it out and endure whatever at a "good" company that has benefits but the reality is if you're experiencing those kinds of issues, it's probably not a "good" company for YOU (and probably others who are suffering silently).
HR isn't for employees.
If you have an issue with someone pull them aside in a private place, office and talk to them face to face. If someone else sits in or does the talking for you it doesn't come off as confident.
HR is an extension of upper management. I once complained about an abusive boss that was constantly making homophobic comments. I was soon fired.
The only real career advice is to be socially in with the right people, almost everything else is bullshit.
@Luke5100 Yes, if you don't/can't do your job at all, you generally don't keep it. It only takes minor effort to maintain or even climb ranks if you are in with the right people, though.
I've seen this in my own personal experience across many jobs. People that I KNOW I outperform, but since they are the manager's nephew or a politician's kid, they get the promotion, despite their constant dicking off while working. Fucking horse shit.
Unfortunately true sometimes
The older I get, I realize most things in life is just a sales presentation.
@luke5100Honestly, it's really much more applicable in non-technical careers. The more technical you are - the less this matters (though it still plays a role).
Yes its not who u know, but who u blow
Definitely don't go to HR with complaints about a colleague. I was employed on a fixed term contract of 3 months at an architect's practice and did so well for the company that the client called my boss to tell them how well I was doing on site and with all the work I was assigned. I used to work late hours too. The team I was working alongside also commended and praised me for my efforts. I got my contract extended for a further 6 months after that and even got a fat salary increase. One of the older members of the company seemed to have an issue with me and I went to the bosses about this. There was no HR department. A short while later I was told that my contract was not being renewed due to the types of projects the company will be taking on and that I'm not a good fit for that. Coincidence? I think not. My contract came to an end and I am still without work for 3 months now.
Consider taking some temp assignments while you recover to partially replace your income. Finally, a piece of advice that I really have not been good at. Try to enjoy your free time because you have earned it.
Good luck with finding work. My only advice would be to learn from what didn't go well in the last job and move forward knowing what not to do in your next role. As long as you know your abilities you'll be fine.
One of the downsides with temp work. It sucks! When I did it I told myself I am not an X, I am an actor and my cubicle was my stage. My show was an extended job interview to get hired. No more no less. That means being a brown noser and not complaining and being greateful for a job as the power dynamic is gone. So view yourself as an actor doing a show and a sales job than a role and get along with everyone. If something isn't right start looking for the next role. Never try to fix it as it will backfire
My condolences and sympathy with you. Problem is hr department is their to save company. My friend reported a stolen software by my coworker and the person reporting that issues was fired instead of person who brought that stolen software to the company. I am packing my bags. Doing politics is one thing but this is sheer crime by HR.
Can confirm on the "Just stick with it" and "loyalty" part. I worked a security gig at a warehouse. The company I worked for does not care about you or how much you put in and improve circumstances to help the company and the clients company. I lost the position to that account for a really small slip up in my 5+ years working there. The company was (and still is) terrible at treating their employees which ultimately led to a high turnover rate. That is not to mention the fact that they went through 5 management teams and each ended up at the same result: poor planning, bad communication, and extreme lack of knowledge on what goes on outside the room they rarely leave. Unfortunately, with security when they let you go, they throw you at accounts that are equally as bad or worse until you quit as it's a loop hole to avoid unemployment. Can also agree with applying for 8 hours a day burns you out and isn't completely effective as I've gone through it for the past couple weeks. Getting a new job soon through an employment agency but I shall see how that goes.
The more free overtime you put in, the more they expect you to do that, so when you cut back to a normal work week, you are seen as slacking off.
Exactly
HR is not your friend. That is a good reminder and advice ♥
its your ennemy
I'm in HR and it's so true. Even if we try to talk to the bosses about personnel needs the don't give a hoot. It's all BS.
I learned the hard way about going "above and beyond" for my past employer (who I was with longer than I should have) as employers may ultimately not be grateful enough for the loyalty, time and effort you put into them and can find a reason to let you go. So it may be best to be employed with a given company for not more than 2-4 years.
There really is NO good reason to be loyal to most companies these days. Most of them are not loyal to their employees and don't even treat them that well. That advice about being loyal to companies is from 50 years out, totally outdated.
The only reward for 'hard work' is more work! You get treated like a mug and your employer takes the productivity without a 2nd thought.
If you're on a team with individual metrics, it's easy to stand out. Once you get promoted (if you get promoted) you'll be working on very large projects where it is utterly and completely impossible to stand out. Best case scenario, you get all your work done and have nothing to do while you wait for another team, another person on the project, or even a contractor/vendor to complete their work so you have more to do; best case scenario is that the project is completed and the project team gets accolades. The only way to stand out is to be falling behind, struggling with the work, and or disrupting the projects goals; all ways you *DONT* want to stand out.
man I just discovered your channel and it really resonates with me big time. Thanks for your content.
Totally agree regarding degrees. I have 2 Master's and 1 PhD degree, and I must say education is useless unless you have the right connections. I have seen people with only a bachelor's degree jump to the top of the career ladder faster than a bullet. Also, Nationality is extremely important. No one is going to hire you if you are "Iranian or Russian" regardless of how high your skills are. So choose wisely your birthplace! =)
There is nothing wrong to born at Iranian or Russian, you have to change your mindset, you need to remove the victim mentality, but i do agreed with you about the connection if you meet the right people you will be good with your career.
Same experince. I have a bachelors and there’s people with a hs diploma and even associates earning the same or even more then me -_-
@@20-NYC In what? What do you have a bachelors in? We have to stop pretending that "English Lit" or "Philosophy", and "Accounting" and "Finance" are perfectly equal. Sorry. Most Lib Arts Degrees are only good if you also major in teaching or get a Doctorate and teach as a tenured Professor.
Work hard but leverage those skills you earned for you next job. No one at your current job will notice but your next employer will pay you for the little things.
Advocate for yourself, dont tolerate bs, and earn what your worth. If you dont feel valued by your employer, start looking.
What you said about getting a master's degree resonates with me. I got one in data science in an effort to change careers. This degree has not impressed any employer I've applied to.
My master's degree only hindered me more because some employers see that and assume you're overqualified for whatever the position is. Yeah, but I still need to eat and pay the bills? I got a bit of ribbing when I finished my degree and was a janitor (and that janitor job was the best paying one I'd ever had up to that point. Too bad there were no raises to be seen and the work environment became more toxic over time. I would've stuck with it otherwise).
I've seen that happen so much that I've lost all interest in one, even though originally that was my main goal. It's about as disheartening as watching someone with kids get passed over for someone less qualified. Meanwhile, if you get a good internship in college, you're on a conveyor belt to management, even if you're mediocre as a worker.
@@peregrination3643 Yeah, if you can find away to learn what you want to learn without getting a master's degree, that might be the best option. The best would be to pick up new skills at your current job, but that's not always possible.
@@tallyp.7643My best job having worked in many offices, call centre, retailers was being a low paid Fast Food Worker, nobody else understood why I stayed in that job the longest with an Accounting Degree. The People I worked with were all mostly good people in my store so it never felt like a stressful job. I kept it as my part time weekend 2nd job alongside my fulltime office job (which I did not enjoy). Eventually the good people left and I knew it was time to quit.
I feel like where I work, it’s very true, that it’s far more important who you know and who likes you, absolutely. Unfortunately, although I have a good work ethic and usually get a lot of work done, I don’t see myself getting advanced any higher because I don’t interview well at all; I feel like I do repetitive work all day and it seems impossible to provide good answers to their complex interview questions. For now, I’ve given up trying to move up and just try to do well enough to keep my current job. I’m also very introverted and so I probably lack the social skills/interest in social interactions needed to get promoted.
I've been hired by so many on-call jobs, that job hopping isn't really a problem, and honestly, has been better for my resume actually getting me more jobs. For A/V's more manual labor side, once you get initially hired, it makes getting the next job easier. However, moving up is extremely difficult no matter how much "hard work" you put in. I don't know how people manage to do it, but it always feels like any significant change in upping your position is like returning to the job market new again
Thank you for posting this advice!! I made most of these mistakes, except getting a masters degree! I have been in positions where I worked, my butt off, and was let go due to a lay off, or just not being liked. My best advice is update. Update update your skills
Thank you for telling me not to focus too much time per day on applying for jobs. I am in a good financial position so it's not as pressing. I feel more pressure in my own mind that I will be judged negatively for the time I am off and that there must be something wrong with me. After leaving a job with burnout it takes time to relax/recover and know what types of jobs to apply for. Also to regain confidence. Also, how often do most Americans take more than a couple days off from their jobs? This in-between time can be that long needed break if you can financially handle it.
I have a giant list of things to take care of at home that I finally have time for so that's a possitive.
I'm in the same boat as you right now. I've been at it for a year and it's so pressing.
I feel ya. I got so depressed going through the job boards and scraping the bottom of the barrels trying to find something I could apply to. So now instead, I just search every 3 days. I like that Indeed can just show you posts from a certain time frame, so I make sure to schedule a time to peruse the boards and look at "last 3 days" in the results list. Cuts my search time down big time, I can bookmark or just focus on the ones that I could reasonably apply for (and if there's nothing, I go to the saved results section and do some more research, then apply to those).
‘Do something you love’ - even if you aren’t very good at it. Yes that was always one that stuck out to me.
I love money.
@@alecstahl2387 You and me both. There's nothing wrong with being money driven. After all, money pays my bills, not my passion for my work!
The worst career advice I've received: "You need to be putting in the extra hours and always be on the job so it will pay dividends over time for this position". The outcome of me doing that was getting fired.
The good news is that you will never let that happen again.
@@SM-wc7vl Absolutely. 5pm and I'm out the door unless it's a life of death thing that needs to be done.
@@sahil885 pfff even then let them rot
The "hard work pays off" failed me at a global company where I gave it my all and at the end of the year I got awarded the best in my team due to outstanding metrics.
Seems good right?
I was fired a few months later due to issues with HR (second point).
Had that happen with HGA. They got angry when I recorded them and posted it on UA-cam.
I like job hopping, I started as an IT Clerk and in around 5y I reached the level of a Senior Technical Support Specialist, if I stayed processing the same info for the last 5 years, I wouldn't have done it and got so far
And I get to know more people, get different perspectives and discuss different topics in the field
Very good! As someone who has been in the work force for more decades than I care to say AND has worked in HR in specialty roles, and has had a side hustle that satisfies my true interests, I totally agree!
My Greek grandfather once told me, "If hard work equaled success, the donkey would OWN the farm!"
Totally agree in the not sticking out in a toxic job, just getting out of that situation and I'm scared but happy to take that decision. It's not worth your health or time.
I had a coworker who literally dumped perfume on the ground and forced me to work from home because I was allergic to it. And put up signs saying I should be fired. And I WAS the person who was labeled as a problem employee, and the only reason why I wasn't fired is that I fired an EEOC injunction against the company making retaliation illegal.
I was told, "work hard the money will come automatically", biggest BS I've ever heard.
my last job lost several people pretty quickly during the flu (they already fired me for nothing) so they hired 3 guys from a sausage factory....to which they gave pay no 1, 2 and 3 on the ladder....everyone else left when they learned about that and they went bankrupt....i was pretty happy to hear that
Your advice on spending all your time applying is so valuable. Spend time to clear your mind. For me it gave me time to start the building blocks of my own creative agency.
I said that to someone and she accused me of being lazy, she had no knowledge of the job market because she was in a family business, and had been for a long time. I no longer have anything to do with her.
Exercise and morning journaling have been helpful getting over the frustration of a long stretch of job searching. Gets the negative junk out of your head for sure.
I agree with these being bad career advice. Hard work and doing what you love is not enough to succeed. Company loyalty is dead too.
Bottom Line is never forgetting who is #1 and that is you. The opinions of others does not define who you really are. Don't give them that chance and never forget who you are really are. You need to be your best friend.
I remember at one point when I was looking for a job and had been making a few applications. One day I got an email from a company saying the usual "... unfortunately on this occasion we have decided not to proceed with your application...".
I couldn't remember having applied for this role, and I got this note when I had just completed my second month in a new role. So, the very impersonal and obviously automated email came to me after I had applied for, interviewed through several rounds, onboarded, started, and been working two months _at another company!_
How is their process so broken that they take over three months to say sorry but we're not considering your application?
Great advise! Great channel! Great content!
Best advice I’ve gotten is to always have an emergency fund at least 3-6-12 months depending on your situation (ex. if you have kids etc). This gives you peace of mind in case something happens out of your control.
Minimum (6) months, ideally a full year of your after tax income. That may seem harsh, but it is what is needed. When out of work, find some job to supplement your lost income, like temporary work.
I call it my "Take this job and shove it" fund.
Yes! Alongside that, have a side income so that you can make money while you look for a job. Or if you get laid off, make the side hustle your main hustle !
1. Hard work doesn't payoff anymore.
2. NEVER go complain to HR unless is strictly necessary.
3. Don't look for "something you love" as a job; do something you are good at, are ok with and gives you a good enough compensation.
4. Companies don't give a #$%& about loyalty. You are simply a disposable asset.
5. Don't burnout yourself with job searching.
6. Do job hop for better compensation+benefits.
7. Things WILL NOT get better, go away as soon as the job shows to have 0 benefits mid-long term.
8. Employees don't care about titles nearly as much as you do.
I'm trying to pivot my career, but this channel has been very insightful.
I keep getting told "Apply to it anyway" for jobs that aren't a good fit. That advice is often coupled with "They will train you" and "The worst is that they can say is 'no'". Aside from maybe recent college/trade school grads, these days new hires are expected to "hit the ground running" and applying to jobs you know you won't get wastes time, effort, and energy, especially for those who aren't natural salespersons.
Another favorite is to shotgun applications at one company if they have multiple openings that might be a good fit. In my experience, those openings are likely handled by the same HR person and if they get more than one application from the same candidate at once, it telegraphs that this candidate doesn't know what they want.
"To become an entrepreneur, you have to first become an employee so as to learn from your superiors" - This is my worst career advice.
The one career advice I have heard is "figure out what you love to do and make sure you stay there, stability in 1 job is key." This maybe true in the old days like Chrysler/GM, Dupont or companies that are older. There is no such thing as job security. Make sure you have a job you love. ❤
I was told by someone at the reemployment agency (who should really know better) that my resume needed to be optimized to prevent the ATS system from blocking/rejecting it.
100% agree. Lots of bad advice out there. It may have worked years ago but rarely applies today.
A lot of workplaces are like high school, there are groups that gossip and groups that are popular. Promotions go to the popular people and it's important not to get caught up in work gossip because that can work against you
Great points. The one about applying to jobs really hit hard for me. I have a decent job but want to test the market for $$ and better commute. I applied to maybe 15-20 jobs In a month span. Not a huge amount but I got reached out by 7 for screening. Interviewed for about 5 of them. Probably about 8 interviews between all of them (Phone calls, video calls, and in person). The constant scheduling, prep work, questioning, emails, driving etc that I dealt with really burned me out. And to top it off, I didn’t get any offers. Lol I’m glad i have a pretty good job now because I took a break.
Yea it’s exhausting. What do u do for work that you consider it a good job
@@20-NYC IT in higher Ed. Not breaking the bank in terms of pay but I’m not struggling either. Benefits and work/life are good.
I have a question to which I still have no answer: why do we still go to college or university and take it so seriously? Most employers don't even value most rubbish degrees any more, and the cost is so much greater than the ROI.
I think an engineering degree is good for just about anyone that has the dedication to complete it. I was offered a medical software job paying 82k at an awesome company just because they like hiring engineers and other technical majors. They even flew me and my girlfriend out for 3 days to tour the facility and explore the area. Just because I had a degree and interviewed well. 0 experience in software support or development.
I didn’t take it because I actually wanted to work in manufacturing, but it would have been an excellent opportunity for someone who wasn’t sure about their career choice yet.
@@ourtube4266 This, My major is Chem Eng but I landed a job at Finance because they told me they like how engineers think and approach problems. at the end of the day what matters is how you can apply your skills to what they need
The higher education system in the USA is broken and needs to be reworked. Higher education in Europe is free. We need a fix that is somewhere in the middle.
@@deepthinker999 : It definitely is broken and that's just widely acknowledged at this point. Thankfully people are starting to see it and walk away. Some companies are starting not to require the degree anymore. I hope to see this trend continue until higher education figures it out and starts making it worth the effort again, but that's going to take a while for them to fix what's broken in their system so I won't hold my breath.
@@ourtube4266I know many engineers that had problems finding a job I think you just got lucky with that one
Great video!
I would add the advice that says one should take a low paying job with a certain company just to get their foot in the door. Once you do this you have seriously anchored your salary. Like was said in this video, loyalty is not rewarded so if you do bust your tail and get a promotion or two most likely it will only be 10% more and that will impact you for years to come if you stay with that company.
Exactly. I volunteered with a company to get my foot in the door. They hired me for nothing.
My loyalty to companies got me extremely far!
1. FedEx - one of the most productive employees (which got me a write-up from a false accusation from a driver). Which was all on camera, but management refused to be billed for the footage exonerating me.
2. Anheuser - again, one of the most productive employees and fastest at my job (which got my unpaid vacation slashed from 13 to 8 days a year).
3. Rooter - very productive and attentive to job details (in which I was scammed out of half my pay due to a number of loopholes in their employment paperwork). They owed me $975 and paid out $424. I walked on the spot with that stunt.
I learned the hard way about complaining about coworkers slacking. I thought I was just making the boss aware of the situation. The coworkers were basically getting away with doing an eighth of the amount of work I was. I thought I was just being informative. Nope, that's for the boss to figure out on their own accord. I'm not the one paying their salary. I was being nosy (also I'm old, so I get that hoity toity I know better thing which also backfired). I learned to stay in my lane. When layoffs came around, guess who got the boot. Not the slowpoke's producing virtually nothing.
It was me, miss tattletale. So I have new better advice for myself. "Stay in your lane"
Snitches end up with stiches were I come from! You never, ever snitch to a boss about lazy, good for nothing employees! They know who is a bum or bummette at work, so you had to learn the hard way: Your boss is not your friend and half the time he/she may not even like you! Lesson: See no evil, hear no evil at work! That's your best policy!
Great advice. Especially the details of carving out an 8 hour day while looking for work.
HR will usually ask you certain personal questions during the interview not because they are interested with you but so that they could eliminate you among the candidates for the position or if they hired you, they will use them against you in the future when they are gonna fire you or lay you off with the job.
I did an interview once where I was asked a question that assumed I had kids. I answered that the issue they were referring to would not come up at all, because I don't have kids. Interviewer was shocked and asked "Why not?!?!" Very unprofessional, and this was for one of the best-known and best-rated companies in my area! I was then told I moved on to the next stage and would hear back soon... and never heard back from them again.
I still wonder why not having kids disqualified me. The job had absolutely nothing to do with kids or interacting with them in any capacity. The issue they were referring to was impossible for me to have, simply because I don't have kids. Maybe they thought having kids would make someone more dependable?
@@dekalb HR will usually hire married individuals with kids so they won't easily quit the job when it becomes shitty.
All good points. All these I've learned myself over the years.
Apart from the mind opening points and great discussion of the topic, I also noticed a decent language and precise descriptions by using accurate terms. You did a great job explaining a topic rarely spoken yet many suffer silently. Unusual mind blowing analysis. 1000s like!
They don't notice you when you work hard, but when you make mistakes...THAT'S when they take notice...especially when they don't train you properly and you make it known to everyone.
Civil Service jobs are NOT as secure as people make them out to be. They fall victim to city, state and government rules, regulations and issues. With another government shutdown looming, federal, etc jobs of that stature are on shaky ground.
@ladymay7789 - In UK Civil Service jobs are mostly 1 year frequently extended contracts these days compared to these same roles having been permanent back in the 90s so having been made redundant from multiple of these jobs I still have people assuming I have Job Security when I mention where I work. The reputation of the past job security is stuck in the mentality of both older and even Gen Z generation, they also assume Teaching is a lifelong job but most are hired on contract too.
We need more channels and videos like this to really shine a light on corporate malpractice and corruption.
I love your channel and I appreciate all the advice you put out there. It’s difficult to find good advice on how to deal with a job history affected by illnesses. I was disabled for almost 2 years and then I got to working again but was only able to get a job through an agency. After that I had my son who had medical issues and we had toxic mold exposure so I was out of work for a few years again and I’m doing an entry-level job now that doesn’t pay very well and I’m struggling to provide for my family. My résumé looks like a mess. There is no laziness involved here. It’s just unfortunate things that have happened to me and I’m trying to make the best of it. Is this something that you can make a video on that would help people like me, or is it something you really need individualized advice about?
if it bothers them therye 100% not a good place to work at anyway...save yourself the stress and abuse
Not exactly the worst advice, but a common one amongst the older generation is “Where you went to school matters.” Hence the big emphasis on getting into an Ivy League because they’re the best schools out there.
Well, coming from personal experience I can give you a good advice for a change: "If a company rewards your hard work with even more work, then it is not your company."
One of the worst pieces of career misadvice I ever found was “Use your natural strengths and what you are good at”. Speaking from hard earned life experience, it not only doesn’t work and it is extremely stress-inducing and ultimately unfulfilling if it’s a job that holds no interest for you. Especially when it doesn’t yield greater results, and I speak from experience having done that the hard way. To sum it up - you are wrong - Doing what you are naturally good at doesn’t work and it does cause more than just burnout and contrary to what you said, it doesn’t always yield greater results. I’m glad thatI left those jobs and I never will go back.
Was working fairly hard...got 3 awards within a year and some raises over it. Some asshole complained about me having "access to information" that would make my job way easier and streamlined and wasn't afraid of speaking directly to the higher ups. Was told no special treatment so i'm switching units and asking for a raise from a place with more money
On the flip side, many people have internalized the "don't work hard" thing way too hard over the past few years and they say they are "quiet quitting" when they are actually under-performing and pissing off their coworkers. Working hard will generally lead you in the right direction in life, even if it's not an immediate huge raise. Also when I was in my 20s I worked extra hard and that way, was able to pack loads of experience/learning in a short period of time so I didn't drag out my career for 40 years. And in the process, networking happens. Networking doesn't happening when you're quiet quitting from home
HR is not your friend. I made this mistake the hard way. Looked to HR to help resolve issues with a toxic boss. Quickly found myself "laid off".
This is so true. Going above and beyond is usually seen as gold plating or taking too much initiative. At the same time you will get dinged for doing the bare minimum too.
I feel like there's a lot of advice out there when it comes to networking. I tried joining a Project Mgmt group in my area to netowrk and see if it was something I wanted to do but I was ignored. In fact, I kept getting ignored on that aspect. But, what about not asking questions? Because when I am on interviews the managers always seem taken aback when I ask them things.
@Luke5100 It wasn't an event, it was me just asking for more info on the group itself. It never got as far as the event, unfotunately.
@Luke5100 Also, I'm not disagreeing there. It can be difficult to do it, too when you don't have a lot of experience/ young.
@@vigglarodz yep so meny Network Groups are really snobby you must be someone already. new well the network is not going to even the tinniest of fingers.
because they see no reason to help you if you dont have value to them right now.
The worst career advice I got was to be honest about the reason I needed so much time off (doctor's appointments) and what my condition is. Yeah, there may be "protections" against firing people with disabilities, but they found other reasons to let me go shortly after that conversation. I suppose I could have fought it, but I just got another job and kept my mouth shut
public shame them
Thank you for making this video! Again you're so right. I recently experienced this exact scenario.
Worst advice: stay loyal with your company and the company will be loyal with you.
Thanks. (1.) The movies made HR out to be a “fair weather friend”. In real life, it’s so absolutely not. HR is trained to kill and WILL do so. (2.) Looking for work “full-time” can be depressing. Sometimes, you need to take regular breaks and, sometimes, an entire day or long weekend. Cheers.
Also, it's doubtful that many if any jobs are gonna be posted on Saturday or Sunday, anyway, so those are the best days to either polish the resume, do some trainings online, or just flat-out relax.
whenever i begina new job i ask the others ''so who is HR so i can begin hating them right now?''
I firmly believe in doing what you're good at and it pays well so you can spend your time doing what you love!
I agree with the HR thing. In fact, when I had a colleague at a former job get upset at me, I actually went to my boss and asked him about the situation but framed it in a way where I inquired what I had done. Mind you, I hadn't done anything, but we had an informal discussion about this person who was being mad and I found out they had an issue with mental health. So it was resolved without anybody getting hurt.
Saw the writing on the wall. Interviewed for a similar job in the next county (State positions). I had the skills. The job even paid a little bit less. Did not get the next job and got fired from the one I had. I was a great employee. But, my predecessor had been pushed out as well. Everyone in that organization catered to my supervisor. Don't know what she had over them. She got away with a lot.
Thank you for this advice, very solid and up to date as of 2023!
worts advice i have received from my last employer was "Work on this job like it yours own business"
A former boomer boss gave me this career advice:
Boomer Boss: Do you know where success begins?
Me: Where?
Boomer Boss: Success begins at the 14th and 15th hour of work per day.
This was in the early 90’s.
He did “very well” careerwise. However, he died 1 year after he retired.
Very sad
I just came across this video. Great job, thx a lot. The first bad career advice I actually got from my parents who told me to look for a stable safe job like a techer. I hated the job after 2 weeks and after a year the school was closed down by the local government and I had to move back to my parents for a couple of months. In some european countries you see, there is a lot of sentiment towards something which the older generations calls "a safe government job". The worst thing was that it was actually my very first job and I was devastated and broke. But it taught me two lessons: first: there is no such thing as any kind of safe job and from that time on I always try to have a contingency plan in case of I loose my job and second: don't trust the government, even local one. Then I got a normal job and after a few years when I was leaving my boss reminisced how funny it was watching me getting used to the fact that I was not getting a break after every 45 minutes of work (that's how it worked at school).
Good tips!
I’d add a couple other times when it’s OK to go to HR - when you’re being discriminated against for your gender or for your disability. Really good times to talk to HR. If you have an accommodation on file for your disability and your boss doesn’t respect it, especially if it’s something simple like you’re allowed to have a note taker during meetings or you’re allowed to sit in a quiet area, definitely talk to HR about that stuff!
I worked at a major cable network and one of the anchors would shake his fist at all the female employees and called us all bitches over the headset. I wish I went to HR. Please go to HR if that happens to you or your female colleagues. Even if you’re a guy.
Job hopping - when I hire I get loads of resumes from 28-30 year olds with loads of jobs, no cover letter, claiming to know loads of computer programs to a point where it feels very unbelievable. It all feels very much like "panic applying" has become the norm. I am very concerned they will quit quickly, I have legitimately seen people job hop between good jobs for absolutely no reason.
I am 30 and what is job hopping? I leave jobs after 1 year but it's strategic.
Good job meets the requirement temp but some people are always looking to improve and progress so they are looking for the next best move which could mean leaving one good job for the hopes of a better one..
@@20-NYC That leads nowhere most of the time. You need skills to get a better high paying job. Once you get enough experience and skills then you negotiate a higher pay. You can't try to grow faster than your actual skills. If you can code and know many different operating systems after 6 months then you can negotiate a 90K salary but everyone can't just think they stumble upon a high paying job without adding value.
In that case , put more money in career advancement and less for external hires. The thing is , even if you are promoted internally , you will be paid less than a new hire.
I was promoted to a position for a new service , got a 15 % raise , but somebody I ended up working with , coming from outside hire for the same position was earning almost 30 % more.
Which is a joke and also the best argument for jumping from one company to another. It is pure greed here.
Mostly people do it to increase their base pay as quickly as possible. With every hop you are getting increment in the range of 30% to 100%.
People need to stop treating the "company" or "business", as a entity!
it is an entity of growth.... but not for you.
grow yourself and you will expand no matter what you choose to do.
Re HR: I've found that if HR knows who you are, that's not good. Simple as that. You need to find another job because once you are on "Their list" you will never go anywhere. Even one complaint to them - even a legit complaint - is enough. If you have a real gripe, go to your boss. Let THEM go to HR.
Don’t go to anyone. HR is not your friend and neither is your boss. Especially your boss.
True to a degree. A lot of times you shouldn't go to your boss either. I've found that anytime I've had a problem with a coworker, that coworker usually turned out to be FRIENDS with the boss and most bosses are NOT going to go against their friends or even people they find particularly useful to whatever they're trying to do. Just avoid management at all if you have problems with people in your company. Get your work done, learn some skills and move on to another company when you are ready. Many of these companies are poorly managed and are composed of cliques and clubs anyway so it just doesn't benefit you as a worker to make waves or even take the management seriously enough to bring problems to them.
"Loyalty Pays off"
Yes, for the company. Never for the individual.
Number 3 is spot on... Since I started my YT channel on sitcoms, I feel stressed watching any... It feels like work now...
Don't party with the boss.
dont sleep with the boss
@@andyn6053It happens.
I'm highly suspicious of bosses who hang out with certain employees after work hours. I don't see how that wouldn't turn into some kind of clique if they're not inviting everyone. And even if they ARE inviting everyone to hang out, I still don't see how some wouldn't become friendlier than others. I like bosses who are friendly but keep a certain amount of distance at work with their employees. I don't want to know all about my boss' personal matters are work and if I find out that my coworkers know all their business, that tells me a LOT about the boss. I can see if coworkers decide to share their personal lives a bit more with each other but the boss really needs to be more professional than that just based on the power structure.
The applying for 8 hours a day and to jobs there’s no way you will get is very real, common and very bad advice!!!!
This is equivalent to the way Josh Allen just throws all those picks trying to aim down the field every play. 😂😂
I read about this in WSJ recently, it's called the 80% principle. Apply 80% effort and you'll probably end up getting promoted and advancing (without burning out). This is sustainable. 100% max effort is naive. ALWAYS be looking out for the bigger better deal. Loyalty is dead
Thanks, I actually experienced couple of these . you were on point
I do think the ”job hopping” is overrated - as mentioned in the video, there is only value to switching a job if its making a signficant positive value to you. There is no value of switching to another very similiar type job with a very similiar salary, work environment and other same settings. Advancing your career is hard and just hopping around for the sake of hopping around is just tiresome and not really worth it in my opinion. It usually works best in start of your careee but as you start to earn more and have better terms, the opportunities for significant upgrades become less and less available.
yeah, when I hire I get loads of resumes from 30 year olds who claim to know every computer program, who have had five jobs and there is no logic as to why they're hopping, and worse, now they don't even include cover letters to tie it together. People look like scattered messes. I wish they thought about how it's received on the other end. I have 200 other people with scattered histories, why should I talk specifically to you?
@@istvanpraha its because companies despise employees now so employees do to....its a hate/hate relationship.....whenever im in an interview i always pretty quickly say ''look lets cut all the crap try me one full day and if im good enough hire me and if not pay me half and we'll each be on our way''
I do agree with you that the relationship has gotten a bit adversarial. I'm in a position where mgt wants to go back to the office but the cost of living has skyrocketed here so half the people can no longer afford to be here. Then they aren't backfilling people who quit, and promoted someone who is lazy to try them out. Feels like no matter what makes us lowly ones unhappy will get implemented@@kokocaptainqc
The “loyalty” tip was absolutely on point. Things will not get better, that’s what lottery players think and they’re cash cows for the people running them. Luck < Change any day.