I've been a "Silver Medalist" in an interview process. I got the job because the gold candidate was just using them to get a counter offer. When I found out that I was strung along for 6 months as a backup, all my feelings of loyalty and obligation vanished and I hit the streets and found a better paying job ASAP.
I was the silver medalist at my current job, and they hired the gold medalist as well. I got a tier down. Honestly? Having met the guy? They...were right. I was later promoted into a better-fitting job where I'm excelling. Sometimes they're not wrong, as terrible as it sounds.
That happened to me once. I was at the end of school, and another student applied and was chosen. She was a backstabber and bragged that she turned it down. I took the job anyway. Now, 20 years later, I have trained for many advanced positions and she's still doing the bottom level job elsewhere. Sometimes it turns out well to be number 2.
Sorry, waiting six months is on you. And who cares about being 2nd choice? 2nd is better than the tens of people who were denied. The goal is to get a job not the prestige of being the 1st overall draft pick or something.
Job interviews are always a two-way street. I am assessing and judging the company just as much as they are assessing me. I am not shy nor am I reserved regarding my questions or expectations. Employees need to be empowered and proactive when comparing opportunities.
Good. However that is market based. The level of leverage a worker has depends on the market and overall demand or demand in a given area. If you are the only person in New York willing to clean toilets. That alone would indicate one would get a decent wage. However, that is not the reality for allot of occupations and why I recommend Union membership in others.
Exactly. Companies act like they are doing you a favor by hiring or even giving you an interview. They couldn’t function without employees. People need to take their power back!
@@Dzanarika1 Let's be real if I am a mechanic, bricklayer, or Construction Manager with many certifications and skills then I can come with swag. If I have a Bachelor's degree in Business and a couple of years experience then still would come with confidence but not to the point of being conceded. Quiet confidence is also a thing.
This has happened to me multiple times on internal positions: the hiring manager knows who they want to hire, but HR won't let them hire that person without putting the job out for bid. I bid on the job: BS and master's degrees coupled with industry certification and years of experience in the field are strong enough to get me a call. Interview goes very well. Hiring manager hires who they want, and I feel used for wasting time on a rigged game. Not sure if it's worse being a silver medalist or a bridesmaid.
Amazing how much experience and skill you need for an entry level position in a lot of job posting. Yet they also want to pay peanuts. Mid-career posting not much better
I went trial-by-fire interviewing recently, had several rounds with several companies, and then I had 1 single 30 minute interview with a company and they sent me an offer 2 hours later for the most money out of all the jobs I had been interviewing for. I think in that case I had all the experience they needed on their new team they were building, I was finally the perfect candidate. And I gotta say, I'm still shocked 3 weeks later, I'm like "is this real, am I really working for a company that gives a shit about people, this is weird?" - such an American thing.
@@mustangnawt1 yeah turns out that was not a good company, I was killing it at work, doing great things top metrics users were happy and then one day after a great day of work they fired me via email and never communicated further. It sucks because like two weeks prior to that I had signed an offer letter they sent me to move over from contractor to FTE, so yeah that really sucks. And I will say it's a health insurance company in Arizona, it starts with a B but I am not going to clarify the full name as I don't want retaliation.
@@Crismodin That sounds like something came up in your background check that they didn't like. I'm sorry that happened to you. They should have given you the courtesy of telling you why they were letting you go. I hope you have a better job now.
In the distant past it was all about Religion. They told you to deny the flesh, work hard, and you would spend an eternity in paradise, but in reality we just keep coming back here via reincarnation to be enslaved all over again. They invented a scam, and told you that Satan is the lord of this world and that it can't be good until after some world ending apocalypse. Today we live in the shadow of that abomination... known as Christianity and Babylon.
Good video. The one honest truth in your video that is rarely spoken in the office is that the most qualified person doesn't always get the job, but the person with the gift of gab usually will. In management, it is the one with the golden tongue that gets promoted despite his/her poor performance or lack of skills. This is why you meet a lot of senior management that should've been fired for their incompetence, but manage to keep their job. Think of politicians in DC.
This is exactly why the interview is probably not the most effective screening measure. I once read about actors with no qualifications hired over the actual candidates with mountains of experience. Job tryouts and looking at experience should be weighed more. The interview could still be used, but to get to know the candidate. I am not a huge believer in personality or Iq tests.
@@darylligon2701 I read about something similar too. Which is why I hate when people gaslight people into thinking they're unqualified or don't have the skills to do any job that they don't get. People love to complain about the workforce yet for some reason those same people often believe it's completely a meritocracy.
I actually hold employers accountable for being on time and canceling at the last minute. If I get called for an interview and the person shows up more than 5 minutes late I bounce. Typically, I get a response like, "we all showed up where are you?" I just say, "you were late, didn't let me know and my time is valuable." I think a lot of this is believing two things to be true: one there's opportunities out there and two your time is valuable. It takes time to prep for an interview and if someone can't show up on time or at least give you a head's up then they don't deserve your skills. Great vid B!
same I take it as a red-flag. If they're going to treat me as expendable before they've even met me I can't expect to be treated differently when hired.
If there's a pattern of tardiness or other signs of disengagement, I'd take it as a red flag, but otherwise, no. I'm not perfect, so I don't hold others to a different standard.
My rule of thumb is 20 minutes, then I bounce. Years ago I waited on a prospective employer for over an hour. Among some other red flags I ignored, I ended up getting offered the job and took it. It was a hell hole with a sociopathic management team. Three years later I was called in and unceremoniously kicked to the curb (gotta love at will employment). Today, I’d run like a scalded cat. Lesson learned.
Within this year I have been: -Ghosted three times by recruiters after we have established the first meeting, no word from them ever again -Been through two 3-hour interviews with multiple people from different teams and the CEO, only to be given a boiler-plate rejection. I find out months later that the CEO only wants local talent... even though the teams requested a remote worker in a different time zone to address customers in different regions -Been through a interview process where I got around the initial application process and talked to people on the inside. I ended up having to go through the "proper" path, even with two referrals. This took three months to get to the first proper interview. I had three more interviews and then I am on a waiting pattern. I haven't heard back from them since October. No status updates other than "we may move hiring to after Q1" and "HR policy requires X% of candidates to make it to the final round... you are the only one." So yeah, complete unprofessional-ism from companies that put out job ads only to show their true colors during the hiring process.
@@PaulG.369 Yeah, I dont mean dont do anything else while waiting. I am just saying that your deadline for "hoping" should be max one week. Of course one should just continue doing interview REGARDLESS of what one employer says. Hay, if you get more than one hit. You use that as leverage for maybe getting a higher pay or just select the one job you were most pleased with etc :)
Job hunts are complete rat races. Never ever _ever_ get your hopes up after any positive sign. However, I do disagree with the ‘one week’ figure proposed by the other commenters. That’s far too short. After 2 weeks (10 working days) is when you can conclude that you’re not advancing or getting the offer.
This stuff was all very on-point. I will also add to the section "Interviews aren't real life" that not only are the pace/intensity of interviews often different from the day-to-day life at the company, but the act of selling yourself during an interview is a different skill than the work you'll be doing. It's akin to the problem of determining someone's skill in a subject via tests; it is hard to separate skill in a subject from skill in test-taking. A person can interview poorly and be a great fit in-practice; or a person can interview really well and be a terrible employee.
Ton of Bs in the hiring process. Employers are so demanding and have double standards. I've been through interview loop and just asking what the interview process/next steps were and I got a "were no longer moving with your application" or the interviewer got mad. This is entry level so I guess they can be really picky. They also doing these tests to check for "loyalty" but they have no problem laying you off for w.e excuse they want. The whole interview process been so depressing and gross.
Yes. I would venture to say that if you have or had disabilities to assess the job to see if you can handle it without accomodations. Do not give any reason for them to say you could not be hired because your accomodations were unreasonable for the job you are applying for. ADA protects you from being denied SOLELY because of your disability. Please keep that in mind.
Yeah, I think I lost an opportunity recently for mentioning I have asthma and that I moved due to a landlord's greasy cooking without a stove vent aggravating it (they asked why I moved, I should have lied, because, you know, the ability to lie establishes you are are corporate material). I asked for no accomodations, but they likely judged me because the job was located in NC near the mountians. People suck, and so does the entire interview process. I was qualified for the job.
Living in the US I never apply to a job online that doesn't post its salary/hourly rate with the job listing. I know that limits my options a lot of the time but if a company isn't willing to be honest with its wages upfront that tells me all I need to know about them.
Don’t hesitate to politely end the interview and leave if you see the company is toxic. I had a panel interview and upon entering, two members crossed their arms and looked up. After sitting, I asked what I did to illicit that response . One said he could tell I was not someone he could work with. I replied, “This environment appears hostile. Thank you for your time, I’m leaving.”
So much to unpack here. I can't count how many times recruiters have rescheduled my interviews. 95% of the time I've been the silver medalist and not gotten the job. It is beyond frustrating! It doesn't matter what the economy is doing, they pull these stunts every day. Fortunately, I've gotten better at saying no to opportunities that are not great or not aligned with what I want.
Building a connection with your interviewer is the most important part for most job interviews. Many hiring managers prefer to hire someone they can be friends with. Sadly, many people have no social life outside of work, so they start hiring friendship candidates.
Depends, recruiters are only at the front gate, and ultimately the next interviewers who might be team leads and managers who give the upper manager their first impressions want to find someone that they'll want to work with even if not the technically best candidate. I've seen too many times where 'the best' was recruited only to leave months later or turn into a prima dona, and leave within a year or two. A massive waste of time.
I worked for someone like that- he kept hinting about going out on my boat and me helping with advice about things outside work. Other coworkers got ahead by that system, as well as flat out flirting with him (for the females). He was one of the sorriest and unprofessional bosses I have ever had.
I found that even on interviews where I have connected with managers, they didn't hire me. I do agree with you but I think a lot of them having unconscious biases
Another thing I get frustrated about, it is the interviewer often will answer an incoming call during an interview, shows no interest or respect for your time or presence
i guess it,s okay if they ask you sorry can i pick one minute but without saying notching it,s rude and unrespectfull i experience bouth versions several times.
Back in October. I made it up to the "meet the team" stage, which was round 3. I heard nothing back for 2 weeks after they had been very responsive prior to the interviews. I sent a note to the original recruiter, only to find out they went with someone else. it's very discouraging, especially when there are overdue bills and dropping credit scores.
I've been a "silver medalist" before. The "gold medalist" accepted the offer, so I was left with disappointment and regret. Sad times. But I'm glad that I got as far as I did in the interview process. It was a valuable learning experience, albeit a painful one emotionally speaking.
I am in same boat and I have to say we got to stop being the doormat. Imagine this was dating. Whoever is waiting around is the doormat. I am doormat now and I hope I can learn what change. Being nice only brings disappointment. The rest of the world don't value or respect the nice doormat.
I made a mistake at an interview of a pretty well-paying job before i got my current one (which I’m happy with). I asked them if their culture was stuffy (it was an accounting firm) and the recruiter gave a long roundabout answer! I probably dodged a bullet.
This was actually my first question that I asked my new employer. I said ‘the culture with my current employer is pretty good and your culture needs to be as good or better. Can you give me some evidence of that?’ Needless to say, they answered very well and even backed up with actual stats around employee satisfaction!
The thing is, it's okay for the hiring manager to be late for a job interview but not the candidate. Funny how that works. The hiring manager can look at his mobile phone, reply to a text, or pick up the phone but the candidate can't. Interesting?
This is some great advice. My take away is just like I suspected, either an employer needs someone or they don’t. A long process of miscellaneous interviews and boondoggles, without a tentative offer letter in writing, is a good indicator that an employer is just shopping, “keeping you warm” or not really hiring (just fishing). I got burned once, now I know the indicators where I will confront the situation…I actually got an offer letter, and a good high paying contract job for over a year by doing this, but I have also learned flat out when it was time to move on more often than not.
This is exactly why I'm seeing people now send auto-rejection emails if and when the employer starts taking the piss during the hiring process to get around this double-standard
I had an interview for a position and was referred by higher management who worked at the company who know my skill set from working with me for years. The guy that interviewed me advised me I would have to drive up there 5 separate times to meet with various managers. I turned it down. I’m not using 5 days of PTO for a “maybe”
More often than not, you find out the recruiter tells you they passed your resume to the hiring manager and the hiring manager decided not to move to the next stage. But what actually happened is the recruiter decided after talking to you and then looking at your resume to not pass it along. Why can't they just be honest instead of making it look like the hiring manager decided not to move forward. Had a few instances where I knew someone who worked or is currently working with the hiring manager and the hiring manager told them they never even heard about the candidate or seen the resume. Happens with both internal and external recruiters. For external ones that's fine. I will just not work with them anymore. For the internal ones... huge red flags for the company they are working for if the recruiters are not being honest.
Had a recruiter interview/phone screen last winter....and during the call her colleagues were singing "Happy Birthday" in the background....very distracting. Apparently a colleague was having a birthday. I've also had interviewers where they no showed or were late...I think it's easier to do now that the bulk of them are done via teleconference or over the phone. About 20 years ago, I had the flu...and had to reschedule...when I called the HR Rep, she could hear it in my voice I wasn't feeling well and immediately rescheduled...and I did end up getting the job.
Job seekers who don't get the job they want should also take it in stride and believe that things happen for a reason. There jobs at two companies I wanted over the years and in two cases the companies got bought out and became not so good places to work. Then a job at my current company got phased out due to restructuring, so sometimes it's for the best that you don't get that job you really desire.
The "double standard" only exists if the applicant "needs" the job. Being a strong candidate with options and the ability to walk away evens the playing field. Being able to walk away evens the field in any negotiation.
This why I liked contracting. They don't get that I'm interviewing THEM. I once had a hiring manager tell me I got the gig because I interviewed so well. I told him, "No, dude. I took the gig because YOU interviewed so well" :). At the end of the day, you have to find your center. In other words; Who's driving your bus? You, or them? There is always another potential gig out there.
I interviewed for a salary position for the job I’m already doing as a contractor (engineering). Its been 7 weeks and I’ve not heard ANY response from my interview… no offer, rejection, nothing. I believe I was 1 of 2 people on site to interview back in Oct. There are 2 positions open. What should I do? Forget about it or be persistent and follow up every week? FYI they asked me about my top 3 weaknesses and then never asked about my strengths lol
Thank you so much Bryan for this intel. It can help us to know these issues and hear about other people's experiences. When we know what we are up against, it is easier to keep up the good fight. We have to manage our own expectations. Being in the dark can lead to discouragement and a fatalistic attitude. Knowing the tell-tail signs is enormously helpful.
I absolutely put the salary question back on to the employer right up front. If they give me a coy response I move on. There are a lot of lowballs in my line of work. The problem is that the title of "Data Analyst" is used both by people who just know how to make a pivot table as well as someone who is writing 2000 line SAS programs and then briefing 3 directors and a VP on what it all means. Too many recruiters don't know the difference.
I recently declined two offers in my field from two separate companies because of red flags during the interview process. These were large companies. The first one, one of the panel members was literally laying on her bed looking up into her phone. The second company gave me PII for a different candidate TWICE assuming that I was them, was late to every round of interview, and asked me super weird questions. After I declined their offer, they asked me to name any number I wanted that would convince me to take the job. I said there was no number.
This just happened to me yesterday. 1st red flag, interview rescheduled. 2nd red flag, interviewer late to Zoom and no camera. 3rd red flag, interviewer was underdressed, not groomed (looks like she just woke up). Two hours after the interview the recruiter called and said she liked me, I did great, but they chose another candidate.
I was a “Silver Medalist “ in my current job at first…at the next opportunity, a year and a half later, I applied again (I was much better prepared) and was No.1 :))
All that is exactly why I apply for jobs just for fun, for the sake of it, without even intending to accept an offer. It gives me this relaxed position where I don't have to suck anything up or give my salary quotation at the first conversation. I try to shorten my trip to the interview with future team members. It works great for me, I am no longer timid and I don't care about the double standards. The tech industry though, and their ways of interviewing and aasessing software devs/engineers, is a whole different story.
I had a hiring manager reschedule on me 4x. On the last one I just never responded. There are other opportunities out there, even if it sounded like a cool place to work.
I showed up for the same job interview two times I was on time and just waited and the interviewer never showed up both times. Each time they said there was a mix-up in time zones, and that they apologized and wanted to reschedule. One time I can understand, twice no I told them I was no longer interested. I moved on, because as everyone is saying there are other jobs.
It's definitely a mess. There are two things I keep in mind. First, life isn't fair. Second, see the first thought. There are also two things I do. First, I maintain a steady job. I like my part-time job so that keeps me sane, plus I like money. Second, I only apply for one position, i.e., job description/skill set. It makes things easy. Remember, the best time to find a job is when you have a job.
Brian, I love these videos. The information is always very insightful and goes beyond the “captain obvious” advice given by other UA-camrs. Also, your empathetic delivery is very authentic and really makes me keep coming back for more videos! Keep up the great work! You’re helping a lot of people.
Not all rejections are bad. For example (I am old), decades ago, it was sometimes advised that skirt suits were preferable to pantsuits. I continued wearing pantsuits because I didn't want to work anyplace where it would be a factor.
I was strung along for 2 months. I was applying for an computer repair and assembly position, The first day of work they gave me a phone book and told me to start calling. I walked out after one hour on the job. I didn't get paid.
Being the silver medalist happens to me a fk ton especially in my country where nepotism is damn prevalent. No matter how tough you are this sh*t just wears you down everytime it happens.
Great video! You have confirmed my observations and everything I've always thought. I no longer feel like the jaded negative person because of these bad practices. LOL!
In 2022 I have had interviews with a dozen or so companies (500+ applications this year) and was a finalist one two of them. I even got a Microsoft certification to help, but still hard to get interviews.
I interviewed for a job and had previously worked with the hiring manager. He was the one that interviewed me! So he knew me, knew my work, and my personality. His company recruited me! I found out later he had no intension of hiring me but was just using me to show he had interviewed several people and was checking a box.
Sir, this is why I truly like your channel sir. You pull back the curtain and show the "true subtle" parts of job hunting. The informal organ.-I/O term sir in how things are really done to perception bias. The Dr. Phil stuff. Sad but true sir. I really like your honesty B because it really gives me a head up in job hunting. Happy Holidays sir and keep up the good work.
lol. i find these videos so entertaining because I've experience many of these scenarios. Most companies are terrible, the hiring process is a complete joke. A long time ago I would be nervous but later I would take it as the company is being interviewed, makes all the difference in the world, sometime not giving a fudge helps. I know not everyone is in the same place financially but if you sense the company doesn't care you shouldn't either.
Interviews have very little to do with how qualified you are; it has more to do with how much the interviewer likes you. If your interviewer is a guy and your competition is some hot fresh out of college sorority sister that has "assets" that you don't have, take a wild guess who the interviewer will pick.
I have been the silver medalist before, and both times, the job was not terrible, but it didn’t leave me with any loyal fuzzies. After a recent interview, when I asked for some feedback when I didn’t receive an offer, what I was told was I didn’t bring copies of my resume and a notebook to the interviews demonstrating I was invested in the interview; apparently, applying for the job, talking to the HR guy, and then taking time out of my work day and showing up for two rounds of interviews in separate days, both rounds took two hours, was not enough of an “investment”. The position is still posted, so it makes me suspicious they are just fishing as is the case with about 99% of the posted jobs. In another instance, I had an interview process that took four interviews over the course of four months to finally get a no.
I am currently in an interview process where I think I might be the "silver medalist" but I'm not sure. The reason why I think this is because it took the company like 6 weeks to contact me after my initial application for the position. I know it's the holiday season and people are busy but I can't help but think they actually might have interviewed and made an offer to someone else before contacting me. I hate thinking that might be the case. I am in the process of scheduling an onsite interview and I might ask about the 6 week delay while I'm there. The last thing I would want is to not be the "gold medalist". We shall see.
If they haven't interviewed you yet, I'd say you're probably not a silver medalist. The silver medalist would be someone who made it through the entire interview process and is their second choice. It sounds like you are just now starting the interview process. It's possible they made an offer to someone else around the time you applied, but that fell through for one reason or another and they didn't have a silver medalist, so now they're looking for someone else. If that's the case, I wouldn't worry. It's possible you hadn't even applied yet when they were talking to the other person. There are many possibilities for why there was a delay. Best of luck in the interview!
@@dexterbentley6336 Thank you. Yes, I am in the early stages of interviewing for this position. I had a really good phone interview with the hiring manager and they invited me for an onsite interview (mid January 2023). I think that I applied to the position as soon as it popped up on LinkedIn so they must have just posted it. I know some companies review resumes as they come in but other companies like to collect a bunch of resumes over a few week period and then review them. So perhaps it was the latter in this case.
Truthfully, even as a job seeker, we should know it comes down to having a scarcity mindset. I know, Ive been desperate for jobs plenty of times & Ive been in a pinch. However, one thing I rarely compromise on, is what he mentioned towards the beginning of the video. I dont tolerate companies or interviewees or bosses who show up late to interviews or reschedule inconsiderately. I just wont tolerate many things. If you are seeing red flags or feel like you’re being disrespected in the interview process, what makes you think anything is going to improve when you get hired. You really want to work for a company or boss who cant even take your interview and interest seriously? Its the same thing they say about us, and I apply that to them as well. Like we always hear, they’re auditioning for us as well and they are trying to pitch why their company or job is the right place for us to work.
💯 I had an interview with the owner of a company. I showed up to the interview; he did not. The staff kept saying he’d be in late, I waited 15-20 minutes and I ended up getting up and saying if he doesn’t respect my time it’s not a company I want to work for. While I waited I heard the staff gossiping too, it was a toxic work environment. Too many red flags; and you want to know the best part? About 3-4 months later the company went out of business. Always trust your gut, if it doesn’t feel right, it probably isn’t.
I hate job interviews but what else can you do? Not only that but if you're employed, so that means you'd have to take time off from your current job to attend these interviews and you only have so many PTO.
I had a another train-wreck interview the other day with a fortune 500 company. It was unsolicited, so I was very unprepared. I didn't even have a job description to look at during the whole time. Typical interview questions were asked: -What would you like me to remember about your resume the most? -Where do you see yourself in 5 years? -Hypothetical job processes/ what steps would you take in this situation? -What gets you up in the morning vs. not wanting to? Then the interviewer decided to spill the beans toward the end about how the candidacy was flooded with applicants due to a local mass layoff at a local competitor. The interviewer wanted to speak with them to try and get more experienced candidates. I abruptly ended the interview. Why are you wasting my time? The person isn't even a recruiter from an agency, they are the director of the department. WOW!!!
I don’t know, I usually try to find these things out during the small talk and then use back during the interview. But in my experience the interview is the formality since the company already knows who they want to hire before the interview
Been on both sides of the fence, I always did my best to be on time for interviews whether I was interviewing or being interviewed because time is valuable for both parties.
Another truth is that interviews can be fake. for variety of reasons. Sometimes, could be the position has been filled by a preferred candidate so the interviews are really a show to satisfy the hiring process. Other times, could be some poorly managed companies use interviews as a PR stunt to attract investments etc.
I had a recruiter not come on video at all and did not acknowledge the fact of why she did not come on video, I was just left on video while talking to her picture on Teams. So weird, let's just say after 4 interviews and then being asked to drive another hour for something that should have been done in the first interview when I was there in person...I didn't take the position...actually I have no idea if they were planning to offer the position and also discovered they reposted the position 3 times during this month process of getting NOWHERE. I was not going to pick up my son and move even further away from loved ones for this company. If this was a date, I would have declined a second date. (oh and the reply to my "thank you so much for the interview" email...was ignored and replied to 7 days later asking me to come in person again and then she changed the time and never acknowledged my thank you (she literally hit reply with -"can you come..." then changed the time at the last minute).
I interviewed for a job in an office of women only. I thought it would be great and I felt the interview went well in general at first. During the interview the main interviewer asked me straight out if I had children. I said no. She then said that everyone else in the office has children and they were looking for another employee with children as that would be something we’d all have in common. It was never my intention to not have children, and I was offended by the comments as I did want to have children but can’t, and I’m judged at a job interview, at a utility company, for being childless. I left the interview really hurt, but glad that they were honest so I didn’t have to worry about whether or not I’d get the job. This was in Whitney Point, NY.
@hiroober6024 It's illegal, I'm in the UK and it happens here too, I turned down the job as Hiring Manager was a creep and keep me in the interview 2 hrs, I'd never let that happen again and wouldn't hesitate to remove myself from any situation that caused stress/ discomfort 😮
All I got to say to a recruiter if you can't figure out in the 10-15 minutes that you're talking to somebody if they're not for right for their job. Maybe we need to get a recruiter.
I guarantee you if some sort of law passed tomorrow where potential employers were required to start compensating candidates for their time, they wouldn’t be so excessive with their interviews. These 3 and 4 interviews would be a thing in the past 😂
The law of supply and demand plays an integral part here. If there is one position and many candidates then everything you have just mentioned is applicable. If, on the other hand, you are that unique specialist many companies want, then the whole narrative flips around. The goal is to have unique skills, so you don’t have to wait in line and compete for an interview.
Few weeks ago I applied for a new position at a company in a foreign country. The company is not big so the boss himself - owner of the company - was interviewing me. He came few minutes later, wearing shorts and sandals. During the interview he had few phonecalls - which none of them were rejected. He openly said he needed to go the toilet - and fairly enough - he asked me if I needed too LOL. I was a little surprised by all of this by hey - it's a family owned company with not strict rules - so I swalled all of this with a smile. I got hired. It turned out this guy is THE best boss I ever had, the atmosphere at the workplace is very natural and frindly and actually everyday I get up I am smiling I go to work. I realized I miss my new job already on Saturday evening and can't wait until Monday morning to make this 1,5 hour commute :)
To put it bluntly. HR are like "house N word" (look up that term if you dont understand the context between those slave within a house and those working the field). Point is, they are the type of people that know they will lose their job last, talk with leadership enough to think they are on their level, but in reality they are not. Read any medium sized HR textbook and you will notice that most of it is more or less just "I think" stuff. You combine that with a CV with high enough marks, face factor and you could do that job with little risk. Yet they think they are creating miracles. While in reality they just offset something uncomfortable allot of boss used to do before. Be it hiring or firing. Oh, we need a new employee. HR has the difficult choice between over qualified person A or B. How will they manage!
I had a job interview with the head of the dept the other day. I knew in advance that she was tight on her schedule and was leaving for 2 weeks vacation. She wanted to interview me before she went on vacation so recruiter scheduled a half an teams meeting. I was early to the teams meeting and when she dialed in she was not on camera, she apologized that she was driving/in her car and could not turn on her camera. During our interview, I could barely hear was she saying, i was assuming that because she was in a moving car, the connection wasn't stable. I tried my best to hear what she was saying even having to lean into my phone with my ears close to the speakers to hear her, I eventually had to pull the phone next to my ear to clearly hear what she was saying. All this time, I could not see her but she could see me, I couldnt help but to think that was the reason of why I didn't get the job. I thought I answered her questions quite well. I thought it was kinda rude and inconsiderate of her to reschedule the interview until she returns so that I was able to interview face to face and not have distractions while she was driving.
I’m 100% a silver medalist; I don’t fault the company though. Unfortunately I’m not able to start when they want, so it’s likely they are only going to use me as a fallback. I’m not against this, however, it stinks I couldn’t start sooner because the jobs sounds great.
So you hit pretty much everything you described, showing up in a tee shirt, canceled & rescheduled, in fact the last interview tact on another half hour etc etc I let a lot go through 7 intense interviews including the COO, beat out an internal candidate, and got the job offer of a lifetime and could not be happier!! If you can roll with punches you’ll be fine!!
I was once a 'pig iron' medalist. I went to an interview, and there was only another candidate and me being considered. My interview did not go well. Afterwards, when both interviews were completed, we were asked to sit together in the same room. The other candidate said that she wasn't sure the job was for her- she already had a job. After 10 minutes, the other candidate was asked to return to the interview room. I was then told by the human resource woman that they had offered the job to the other candidate. The next morning, I had a phone call offering me the job. Even though I was unemployed and quite desperate for a job I turned the job down. The fact that I did poorly in the interview and that initially, they had offered the position to the only other candidate bruised my ego somewhat, and even though I was extremely motivated for a job, I just couldn't accept the offer. Pride and stubbornness are a deadly combination. Flaxen Saxon.
I have been on interviews and I have a feeling I have to rebrand myself to relate to position and pivot towards that company before interviewing for a job multiple and I have lacked the personality they look for
The last point is the hardest pill for job searchers to swallow. Interviewing is not a social encounter! You are not on even footing with the prospective employer. You must understand that tolerating crap is part of the game. But with that being said, know your cutoff point for realizing that a company is wasting your time.
In my opinion it is government fault to let corporate play these games with people. If they pass laws to protect people vs corporate there would be much more transparency and less power gap
I’d probably have to disagree with the point around employers frowning on the applicant needing to change the interview date. This is even further solidified if you are the gold medalist candidate. If there’s an emergency situation and they hold that against you, consider yourself dodged a bullet.
Guess I'm weird, because in my last job search, I enjoyed the majority of the interviews even though I didn't get the jobs. I learned something from each one and practiced my interview skills, in the real world.
Here's your experience as a new college graduate job seeker: 1) Applying to ghost jobs. 2) If you get put on "the waiting list," then you didn't get the job. 3) If they really want you then they'll hire you within 2 weeks, if not, then you didn't get the job. 4) Seeing the same job post every week and every month means the company is just advertising itself or fishing for the perfect candidate. Either way, you'll will be wasting your time. 5) Companies will literally offer entry level employees minimum wage pay or less, but expect you to work like a seasoned employee. 6) You will apply to so many jobs that you will think that there's no real jobs and end up working at a job that only requires a high school degree (I personally know a PhD student in such a situation). 7) Learn that job recruiters are full of bs and are like your worst college professors.
The peer interview process is horrible. Not only is it intimidating to be in front of like 6 people, but if one of them doesn’t seem to like you, for some reason , they can change the other’s opinions.
2:15 Hey, there. I can happen that the company pronounces informal dress code, and the candidate gets frowned upon for coming across as too formally dressed. One thing to watch out for.
Another thing about the best person doesn't always get the job: sometimes the best choice declined the offer or saw red flags and the org had to go and search again for the next best option (sloppy seconds). Someone who would be willing to put up with their BS.
In nyc they have to now so they kiss my ass. I love saying “What’s that actual salary range? Is this a NYC based job or fully remote? Otherwise I would have to ask for compliance regarding NYC’s rule regarding full transparency regarding the pay “base salary””
I noticed, you carefully avoided addressing the present discrimination against the individuals who would previously have been successful candidates. Many employers are now being "encouraged" to employ individuals they would previously have considered unsuitable.
The biggest time waster I've had to go through as a medical coder is a "coding test". After 11 years I should be able to find a CPT or diagnosis code. But spending hours of my own time to code medical notes and submit, hoping that the test is current with the ever changing guidelines is the most frustrating was of time.
I have to add sometimes a person with great credentials might have a bad personality, my airline tries to weed out management candidates who they feel might have an adversarial attitude to their subordinates.
I leap frogged the gold medalist mid interview in current job. He was technically more qualified but i let them know, I'm hungrier. He was already a senior but i was chomping at the bit to get in. Got the job offer in a few hours. Sometimes being silver can be a good thing.
I've been a "Silver Medalist" in an interview process. I got the job because the gold candidate was just using them to get a counter offer. When I found out that I was strung along for 6 months as a backup, all my feelings of loyalty and obligation vanished and I hit the streets and found a better paying job ASAP.
Yeah, I don’t like being sloppy seconds either.
I was the silver medalist at my current job, and they hired the gold medalist as well. I got a tier down. Honestly? Having met the guy? They...were right. I was later promoted into a better-fitting job where I'm excelling. Sometimes they're not wrong, as terrible as it sounds.
I’ve been number 2 at least a couple of times but they didn’t go anywhere.
That happened to me once. I was at the end of school, and another student applied and was chosen. She was a backstabber and bragged that she turned it down. I took the job anyway. Now, 20 years later, I have trained for many advanced positions and she's still doing the bottom level job elsewhere. Sometimes it turns out well to be number 2.
Sorry, waiting six months is on you. And who cares about being 2nd choice? 2nd is better than the tens of people who were denied. The goal is to get a job not the prestige of being the 1st overall draft pick or something.
Job interviews are always a two-way street. I am assessing and judging the company just as much as they are assessing me. I am not shy nor am I reserved regarding my questions or expectations. Employees need to be empowered and proactive when comparing opportunities.
I said the same thing.
Good. However that is market based. The level of leverage a worker has depends on the market and overall demand or demand in a given area. If you are the only person in New York willing to clean toilets. That alone would indicate one would get a decent wage. However, that is not the reality for allot of occupations and why I recommend Union membership in others.
Exactly. Companies act like they are doing you a favor by hiring or even giving you an interview. They couldn’t function without employees. People need to take their power back!
@@agees924 that is why when you come in for an interview, be confident, knowing that important fact.
@@Dzanarika1 Let's be real if I am a mechanic, bricklayer, or Construction Manager with many certifications and skills then I can come with swag. If I have a Bachelor's degree in Business and a couple of years experience then still would come with confidence but not to the point of being conceded. Quiet confidence is also a thing.
This has happened to me multiple times on internal positions: the hiring manager knows who they want to hire, but HR won't let them hire that person without putting the job out for bid. I bid on the job: BS and master's degrees coupled with industry certification and years of experience in the field are strong enough to get me a call. Interview goes very well. Hiring manager hires who they want, and I feel used for wasting time on a rigged game.
Not sure if it's worse being a silver medalist or a bridesmaid.
It is even worse when you have to question what happened.
That’s life , unfortunately is more rewarding to have a broader network and get along with people then to excel in what you do.
Sometimes it's obvious when the interview is just a formality.
Managers with money to buy a Toyota, but want to drive Ferraris. One of the most transparent overviews about this topic, thanks for it Brian.
Amazing how much experience and skill you need for an entry level position in a lot of job posting. Yet they also want to pay peanuts. Mid-career posting not much better
I went trial-by-fire interviewing recently, had several rounds with several companies, and then I had 1 single 30 minute interview with a company and they sent me an offer 2 hours later for the most money out of all the jobs I had been interviewing for. I think in that case I had all the experience they needed on their new team they were building, I was finally the perfect candidate. And I gotta say, I'm still shocked 3 weeks later, I'm like "is this real, am I really working for a company that gives a shit about people, this is weird?" - such an American thing.
Mind sharing company name?
@@mustangnawt1 yeah turns out that was not a good company, I was killing it at work, doing great things top metrics users were happy and then one day after a great day of work they fired me via email and never communicated further. It sucks because like two weeks prior to that I had signed an offer letter they sent me to move over from contractor to FTE, so yeah that really sucks. And I will say it's a health insurance company in Arizona, it starts with a B but I am not going to clarify the full name as I don't want retaliation.
@@Crismodin That sounds like something came up in your background check that they didn't like. I'm sorry that happened to you. They should have given you the courtesy of telling you why they were letting you go. I hope you have a better job now.
@@Crismodin Wow that sucks 😢
In the distant past it was all about Religion. They told you to deny the flesh, work hard, and you would spend an eternity in paradise, but in reality we just keep coming back here via reincarnation to be enslaved all over again. They invented a scam, and told you that Satan is the lord of this world and that it can't be good until after some world ending apocalypse. Today we live in the shadow of that abomination... known as Christianity and Babylon.
Good video. The one honest truth in your video that is rarely spoken in the office is that the most qualified person doesn't always get the job, but the person with the gift of gab usually will. In management, it is the one with the golden tongue that gets promoted despite his/her poor performance or lack of skills. This is why you meet a lot of senior management that should've been fired for their incompetence, but manage to keep their job. Think of politicians in DC.
This is exactly why the interview is probably not the most effective screening measure. I once read about actors with no qualifications hired over the actual candidates with mountains of experience. Job tryouts and looking at experience should be weighed more. The interview could still be used, but to get to know the candidate. I am not a huge believer in personality or Iq tests.
@@darylligon2701 I read about something similar too. Which is why I hate when people gaslight people into thinking they're unqualified or don't have the skills to do any job that they don't get. People love to complain about the workforce yet for some reason those same people often believe it's completely a meritocracy.
Aka: You are likely to be illegally discriminated against if you're not an extrovert who licks 4ss
I actually hold employers accountable for being on time and canceling at the last minute. If I get called for an interview and the person shows up more than 5 minutes late I bounce. Typically, I get a response like, "we all showed up where are you?" I just say, "you were late, didn't let me know and my time is valuable." I think a lot of this is believing two things to be true: one there's opportunities out there and two your time is valuable. It takes time to prep for an interview and if someone can't show up on time or at least give you a head's up then they don't deserve your skills. Great vid B!
I am the same as you. If the interviewer is late without notifying me: I'm out.
Also, if a hiring manager shows you disrespect, give it right back to them twice as hard.
same I take it as a red-flag. If they're going to treat me as expendable before they've even met me I can't expect to be treated differently when hired.
If there's a pattern of tardiness or other signs of disengagement, I'd take it as a red flag, but otherwise, no. I'm not perfect, so I don't hold others to a different standard.
My rule of thumb is 20 minutes, then I bounce.
Years ago I waited on a prospective employer for over an hour. Among some other red flags I ignored, I ended up getting offered the job and took it. It was a hell hole with a sociopathic management team. Three years later I was called in and unceremoniously kicked to the curb (gotta love at will employment). Today, I’d run like a scalded cat. Lesson learned.
Within this year I have been:
-Ghosted three times by recruiters after we have established the first meeting, no word from them ever again
-Been through two 3-hour interviews with multiple people from different teams and the CEO, only to be given a boiler-plate rejection. I find out months later that the CEO only wants local talent... even though the teams requested a remote worker in a different time zone to address customers in different regions
-Been through a interview process where I got around the initial application process and talked to people on the inside. I ended up having to go through the "proper" path, even with two referrals. This took three months to get to the first proper interview. I had three more interviews and then I am on a waiting pattern. I haven't heard back from them since October. No status updates other than "we may move hiring to after Q1" and "HR policy requires X% of candidates to make it to the final round... you are the only one."
So yeah, complete unprofessional-ism from companies that put out job ads only to show their true colors during the hiring process.
Professionalism work HE is a one way street. They should be sending interviewees thank you notes in this job market!
If you dont hear anything within a week. You are not their first choice and you should move on.
@@Lobos222
Don't wait on one employer for a whole week. Interview with multiple employers simultaneously.
@@PaulG.369 Yeah, I dont mean dont do anything else while waiting. I am just saying that your deadline for "hoping" should be max one week. Of course one should just continue doing interview REGARDLESS of what one employer says. Hay, if you get more than one hit. You use that as leverage for maybe getting a higher pay or just select the one job you were most pleased with etc :)
Job hunts are complete rat races. Never ever _ever_ get your hopes up after any positive sign.
However, I do disagree with the ‘one week’ figure proposed by the other commenters. That’s far too short. After 2 weeks (10 working days) is when you can conclude that you’re not advancing or getting the offer.
The double standards is actually throughout your employment and not only in the interviewing process .
There’s asymmetrical amount info and power. We can’t win. Even a good job over a long enough timeperiod will turn to💩
😂 right. It never ends, but it does become a little bit more fair. Being an interviewer is complete trash. Being an employee has its perks
This stuff was all very on-point. I will also add to the section "Interviews aren't real life" that not only are the pace/intensity of interviews often different from the day-to-day life at the company, but the act of selling yourself during an interview is a different skill than the work you'll be doing. It's akin to the problem of determining someone's skill in a subject via tests; it is hard to separate skill in a subject from skill in test-taking. A person can interview poorly and be a great fit in-practice; or a person can interview really well and be a terrible employee.
My dad was in the hospital so I tried to reschedule the interview. They canceled on me. I just got a new and better job anyway.
Same thing happened to me - not meant to be!
I mean, it's nothing personal. As harsh as it may sound, they can't always wait on people.
I hope your dad has recovered since then.
One strike and your OUT!!!
Ton of Bs in the hiring process. Employers are so demanding and have double standards. I've been through interview loop and just asking what the interview process/next steps were and I got a "were no longer moving with your application" or the interviewer got mad. This is entry level so I guess they can be really picky. They also doing these tests to check for "loyalty" but they have no problem laying you off for w.e excuse they want. The whole interview process been so depressing and gross.
"What you say can be used against you." This is specially true for people who have disabilities and need accomodations.
Yes. I would venture to say that if you have or had disabilities to assess the job to see if you can handle it without accomodations. Do not give any reason for them to say you could not be hired because your accomodations were unreasonable for the job you are applying for. ADA protects you from being denied SOLELY because of your disability. Please keep that in mind.
I had a company harass me for using the handicap parking.
Sad but true. What I've found is that it's better to request accommodations after accepting the job if possible.
Yeah, I think I lost an opportunity recently for mentioning I have asthma and that I moved due to a landlord's greasy cooking without a stove vent aggravating it (they asked why I moved, I should have lied, because, you know, the ability to lie establishes you are are corporate material). I asked for no accomodations, but they likely judged me because the job was located in NC near the mountians. People suck, and so does the entire interview process. I was qualified for the job.
I found that out the hard way. I keep my mouth shut about those things during the interview.
Ontario Canada made it mandatory for job postings to have salaries or explictitly state in the screening call. So thank goodness for that!!
Living in the US I never apply to a job online that doesn't post its salary/hourly rate with the job listing. I know that limits my options a lot of the time but if a company isn't willing to be honest with its wages upfront that tells me all I need to know about them.
Not what my friends have experienced
Don’t hesitate to politely end the interview and leave if you see the company is toxic.
I had a panel interview and upon entering, two members crossed their arms and looked up.
After sitting, I asked what I did to illicit that response .
One said he could tell I was not someone he could work with.
I replied, “This environment appears hostile. Thank you for your time, I’m leaving.”
You dodged a bullet! Imagine working for such weirdos. I hope you have found a job
So much to unpack here. I can't count how many times recruiters have rescheduled my interviews. 95% of the time I've been the silver medalist and not gotten the job. It is beyond frustrating! It doesn't matter what the economy is doing, they pull these stunts every day. Fortunately, I've gotten better at saying no to opportunities that are not great or not aligned with what I want.
The problem is the interviewers have not had enough time to change this practice since there is no law against it despite the pan(cake)demic.
Building a connection with your interviewer is the most important part for most job interviews. Many hiring managers prefer to hire someone they can be friends with. Sadly, many people have no social life outside of work, so they start hiring friendship candidates.
Depends, recruiters are only at the front gate, and ultimately the next interviewers who might be team leads and managers who give the upper manager their first impressions want to find someone that they'll want to work with even if not the technically best candidate. I've seen too many times where 'the best' was recruited only to leave months later or turn into a prima dona, and leave within a year or two. A massive waste of time.
No, now days an hr person and the department's manager/supervisor are present at interviews. Sometimes, you have 3-4 people.
I worked for someone like that- he kept hinting about going out on my boat and me helping with advice about things outside work. Other coworkers got ahead by that system, as well as flat out flirting with him (for the females). He was one of the sorriest and unprofessional bosses I have ever had.
I found that even on interviews where I have connected with managers, they didn't hire me. I do agree with you but I think a lot of them having unconscious biases
Another thing I get frustrated about, it is the interviewer often will answer an incoming call during an interview, shows no interest or respect for your time or presence
Yep. To them you are just a number.
my 2 most hated things is what you sayd and them ariving 10 minutes late
A holes.
i guess it,s okay if they ask you sorry can i pick one minute but without saying notching it,s rude and unrespectfull i experience bouth versions several times.
Back in October. I made it up to the "meet the team" stage, which was round 3. I heard nothing back for 2 weeks after they had been very responsive prior to the interviews.
I sent a note to the original recruiter, only to find out they went with someone else.
it's very discouraging, especially when there are overdue bills and dropping credit scores.
I've been a "silver medalist" before. The "gold medalist" accepted the offer, so I was left with disappointment and regret. Sad times. But I'm glad that I got as far as I did in the interview process. It was a valuable learning experience, albeit a painful one emotionally speaking.
You received zero value in exchange for your time and aggravation
I am in same boat and I have to say we got to stop being the doormat. Imagine this was dating. Whoever is waiting around is the doormat. I am doormat now and I hope I can learn what change. Being nice only brings disappointment. The rest of the world don't value or respect the nice doormat.
I made a mistake at an interview of a pretty well-paying job before i got my current one (which I’m happy with). I asked them if their culture was stuffy (it was an accounting firm) and the recruiter gave a long roundabout answer! I probably dodged a bullet.
I don’t think that was a mistake then.
It sounds like their company culture is super fake and uptight.
This was actually my first question that I asked my new employer. I said ‘the culture with my current employer is pretty good and your culture needs to be as good or better. Can you give me some evidence of that?’ Needless to say, they answered very well and even backed up with actual stats around employee satisfaction!
The thing is, it's okay for the hiring manager to be late for a job interview but not the candidate. Funny how that works. The hiring manager can look at his mobile phone, reply to a text, or pick up the phone but the candidate can't. Interesting?
This is some great advice. My take away is just like I suspected, either an employer needs someone or they don’t. A long process of miscellaneous interviews and boondoggles, without a tentative offer letter in writing, is a good indicator that an employer is just shopping, “keeping you warm” or not really hiring (just fishing). I got burned once, now I know the indicators where I will confront the situation…I actually got an offer letter, and a good high paying contract job for over a year by doing this, but I have also learned flat out when it was time to move on more often than not.
LoL. "Job interview isn't always a realistic reflection of what the job is going to be like". Yep. Definitely especially in tech.
This is exactly why I'm seeing people now send auto-rejection emails if and when the employer starts taking the piss during the hiring process to get around this double-standard
I had an interview for a position and was referred by higher management who worked at the company who know my skill set from working with me for years. The guy that interviewed me advised me I would have to drive up there 5 separate times to meet with various managers. I turned it down. I’m not using 5 days of PTO for a “maybe”
Lmao XD
Lmao that’s insane
More often than not, you find out the recruiter tells you they passed your resume to the hiring manager and the hiring manager decided not to move to the next stage. But what actually happened is the recruiter decided after talking to you and then looking at your resume to not pass it along. Why can't they just be honest instead of making it look like the hiring manager decided not to move forward. Had a few instances where I knew someone who worked or is currently working with the hiring manager and the hiring manager told them they never even heard about the candidate or seen the resume.
Happens with both internal and external recruiters. For external ones that's fine. I will just not work with them anymore. For the internal ones... huge red flags for the company they are working for if the recruiters are not being honest.
People are adverse to any potential conflict, if the truth can cause conflict they will do a sugar coated lie instead
Had a recruiter interview/phone screen last winter....and during the call her colleagues were singing "Happy Birthday" in the background....very distracting. Apparently a colleague was having a birthday. I've also had interviewers where they no showed or were late...I think it's easier to do now that the bulk of them are done via teleconference or over the phone.
About 20 years ago, I had the flu...and had to reschedule...when I called the HR Rep, she could hear it in my voice I wasn't feeling well and immediately rescheduled...and I did end up getting the job.
Job seekers who don't get the job they want should also take it in stride and believe that things happen for a reason. There jobs at two companies I wanted over the years and in two cases the companies got bought out and became not so good places to work. Then a job at my current company got phased out due to restructuring, so sometimes it's for the best that you don't get that job you really desire.
The "double standard" only exists if the applicant "needs" the job. Being a strong candidate with options and the ability to walk away evens the playing field.
Being able to walk away evens the field in any negotiation.
TRUE
This why I liked contracting. They don't get that I'm interviewing THEM. I once had a hiring manager tell me I got the gig because I interviewed so well. I told him, "No, dude. I took the gig because YOU interviewed so well" :). At the end of the day, you have to find your center. In other words; Who's driving your bus? You, or them? There is always another potential gig out there.
Thank you! I needed to read this!
This is on point ❤
I interviewed for a salary position for the job I’m already doing as a contractor (engineering). Its been 7 weeks and I’ve not heard ANY response from my interview… no offer, rejection, nothing. I believe I was 1 of 2 people on site to interview back in Oct. There are 2 positions open. What should I do? Forget about it or be persistent and follow up every week?
FYI they asked me about my top 3 weaknesses and then never asked about my strengths lol
Thank you so much Bryan for this intel. It can help us to know these issues and hear about other people's experiences. When we know what we are up against, it is easier to keep up the good fight. We have to manage our own expectations. Being in the dark can lead to discouragement and a fatalistic attitude. Knowing the tell-tail signs is enormously helpful.
I absolutely put the salary question back on to the employer right up front. If they give me a coy response I move on. There are a lot of lowballs in my line of work. The problem is that the title of "Data Analyst" is used both by people who just know how to make a pivot table as well as someone who is writing 2000 line SAS programs and then briefing 3 directors and a VP on what it all means. Too many recruiters don't know the difference.
I recently declined two offers in my field from two separate companies because of red flags during the interview process. These were large companies. The first one, one of the panel members was literally laying on her bed looking up into her phone. The second company gave me PII for a different candidate TWICE assuming that I was them, was late to every round of interview, and asked me super weird questions. After I declined their offer, they asked me to name any number I wanted that would convince me to take the job. I said there was no number.
Now you have to give some examples of these crazy questions. LoL :D
This just happened to me yesterday. 1st red flag, interview rescheduled. 2nd red flag, interviewer late to Zoom and no camera. 3rd red flag, interviewer was underdressed, not groomed (looks like she just woke up). Two hours after the interview the recruiter called and said she liked me, I did great, but they chose another candidate.
I was a “Silver Medalist “ in my current job at first…at the next opportunity, a year and a half later, I applied again (I was much better prepared) and was No.1 :))
All that is exactly why I apply for jobs just for fun, for the sake of it, without even intending to accept an offer. It gives me this relaxed position where I don't have to suck anything up or give my salary quotation at the first conversation. I try to shorten my trip to the interview with future team members. It works great for me, I am no longer timid and I don't care about the double standards. The tech industry though, and their ways of interviewing and aasessing software devs/engineers, is a whole different story.
I had a hiring manager reschedule on me 4x. On the last one I just never responded. There are other opportunities out there, even if it sounded like a cool place to work.
Yup, know your worth. Which you should hold in higher regard than they clearly did.
I showed up for the same job interview two times I was on time and just waited and the interviewer never showed up both times. Each time they said there was a mix-up in time zones, and that they apologized and wanted to reschedule. One time I can understand, twice no I told them I was no longer interested. I moved on, because as everyone is saying there are other jobs.
I don't tolerate "the double-standard" by any potential employer, during the job interview process. I get rid of them real fast!
It's definitely a mess.
There are two things I keep in mind. First, life isn't fair. Second, see the first thought.
There are also two things I do. First, I maintain a steady job. I like my part-time job so that keeps me sane, plus I like money. Second, I only apply for one position, i.e., job description/skill set. It makes things easy.
Remember, the best time to find a job is when you have a job.
Brian, I love these videos. The information is always very insightful and goes beyond the “captain obvious” advice given by other UA-camrs. Also, your empathetic delivery is very authentic and really makes me keep coming back for more videos! Keep up the great work! You’re helping a lot of people.
Not all rejections are bad. For example (I am old), decades ago, it was sometimes advised that skirt suits were preferable to pantsuits. I continued wearing pantsuits because I didn't want to work anyplace where it would be a factor.
Right on target Cathy. Know beforehand what you can and can’t accept about a job/employer.
I was strung along for 2 months. I was applying for an computer repair and assembly position, The first day of work they gave me a phone book and told me to start calling. I walked out after one hour on the job. I didn't get paid.
Being the silver medalist happens to me a fk ton especially in my country where nepotism is damn prevalent. No matter how tough you are this sh*t just wears you down everytime it happens.
I don't enjoy job interviews, I had temporary jobs via employment agencies where I did not even speak to the company before my start date.
Great video! You have confirmed my observations and everything I've always thought. I no longer feel like the jaded negative person because of these bad practices. LOL!
In 2022 I have had interviews with a dozen or so companies (500+ applications this year) and was a finalist one two of them. I even got a Microsoft certification to help, but still hard to get interviews.
Honestly I love job interviewing and love your channel
I interviewed for a job and had previously worked with the hiring manager. He was the one that interviewed me! So he knew me, knew my work, and my personality. His company recruited me! I found out later he had no intension of hiring me but was just using me to show he had interviewed several people and was checking a box.
That’s the usual set up. They need to interview so many people, but in reality had already someone else.
I once had a zoom interview and the interviewer was 20 minutes late
Sir, this is why I truly like your channel sir. You pull back the curtain and show the "true subtle" parts of job hunting. The informal organ.-I/O term sir in how things are really done to perception bias. The Dr. Phil stuff. Sad but true sir. I really like your honesty B because it really gives me a head up in job hunting. Happy Holidays sir and keep up the good work.
The reason you get hate mail is because ppl are reminded of how helpless they are.
Keep up the good work 😅
lol. i find these videos so entertaining because I've experience many of these scenarios. Most companies are terrible, the hiring process is a complete joke. A long time ago I would be nervous but later I would take it as the company is being interviewed, makes all the difference in the world, sometime not giving a fudge helps. I know not everyone is in the same place financially but if you sense the company doesn't care you shouldn't either.
Interviews have very little to do with how qualified you are; it has more to do with how much the interviewer likes you.
If your interviewer is a guy and your competition is some hot fresh out of college sorority sister that has "assets" that you don't have, take a wild guess who the interviewer will pick.
Exactly. And yet people want to believe that the best qualified people ALWAYS get the job.
I have been the silver medalist before, and both times, the job was not terrible, but it didn’t leave me with any loyal fuzzies.
After a recent interview, when I asked for some feedback when I didn’t receive an offer, what I was told was I didn’t bring copies of my resume and a notebook to the interviews demonstrating I was invested in the interview; apparently, applying for the job, talking to the HR guy, and then taking time out of my work day and showing up for two rounds of interviews in separate days, both rounds took two hours, was not enough of an “investment”. The position is still posted, so it makes me suspicious they are just fishing as is the case with about 99% of the posted jobs.
In another instance, I had an interview process that took four interviews over the course of four months to finally get a no.
I am currently in an interview process where I think I might be the "silver medalist" but I'm not sure. The reason why I think this is because it took the company like 6 weeks to contact me after my initial application for the position. I know it's the holiday season and people are busy but I can't help but think they actually might have interviewed and made an offer to someone else before contacting me. I hate thinking that might be the case. I am in the process of scheduling an onsite interview and I might ask about the 6 week delay while I'm there. The last thing I would want is to not be the "gold medalist". We shall see.
If they haven't interviewed you yet, I'd say you're probably not a silver medalist. The silver medalist would be someone who made it through the entire interview process and is their second choice. It sounds like you are just now starting the interview process. It's possible they made an offer to someone else around the time you applied, but that fell through for one reason or another and they didn't have a silver medalist, so now they're looking for someone else. If that's the case, I wouldn't worry. It's possible you hadn't even applied yet when they were talking to the other person. There are many possibilities for why there was a delay. Best of luck in the interview!
@@dexterbentley6336 Thank you. Yes, I am in the early stages of interviewing for this position. I had a really good phone interview with the hiring manager and they invited me for an onsite interview (mid January 2023). I think that I applied to the position as soon as it popped up on LinkedIn so they must have just posted it. I know some companies review resumes as they come in but other companies like to collect a bunch of resumes over a few week period and then review them. So perhaps it was the latter in this case.
Truthfully, even as a job seeker, we should know it comes down to having a scarcity mindset. I know, Ive been desperate for jobs plenty of times & Ive been in a pinch. However, one thing I rarely compromise on, is what he mentioned towards the beginning of the video. I dont tolerate companies or interviewees or bosses who show up late to interviews or reschedule inconsiderately. I just wont tolerate many things. If you are seeing red flags or feel like you’re being disrespected in the interview process, what makes you think anything is going to improve when you get hired. You really want to work for a company or boss who cant even take your interview and interest seriously? Its the same thing they say about us, and I apply that to them as well. Like we always hear, they’re auditioning for us as well and they are trying to pitch why their company or job is the right place for us to work.
💯 I had an interview with the owner of a company. I showed up to the interview; he did not. The staff kept saying he’d be in late, I waited 15-20 minutes and I ended up getting up and saying if he doesn’t respect my time it’s not a company I want to work for.
While I waited I heard the staff gossiping too, it was a toxic work environment.
Too many red flags; and you want to know the best part? About 3-4 months later the company went out of business. Always trust your gut, if it doesn’t feel right, it probably isn’t.
I hate job interviews but what else can you do?
Not only that but if you're employed, so that means you'd have to take time off from your current job to attend these interviews and you only have so many PTO.
I had a another train-wreck interview the other day with a fortune 500 company. It was unsolicited, so I was very unprepared. I didn't even have a job description to look at during the whole time. Typical interview questions were asked:
-What would you like me to remember about your resume the most?
-Where do you see yourself in 5 years?
-Hypothetical job processes/ what steps would you take in this situation?
-What gets you up in the morning vs. not wanting to?
Then the interviewer decided to spill the beans toward the end about how the candidacy was flooded with applicants due to a local mass layoff at a local competitor. The interviewer wanted to speak with them to try and get more experienced candidates.
I abruptly ended the interview. Why are you wasting my time?
The person isn't even a recruiter from an agency, they are the director of the department. WOW!!!
Stellar thumbnail 🎉👏 Right in the middle of this video, I got an email for a job interview!
I must be rare in my thinking. If the employer has any of these, I have red flags go off (late, reschedule, noise, too causal, etc.)
No Marie, you’re not rare, you’re perceptive. Wait, that is rare:))))
I don’t know, I usually try to find these things out during the small talk and then use back during the interview. But in my experience the interview is the formality since the company already knows who they want to hire before the interview
I like the word behoove. Good one
Employers don't care about prospective employees or actual employees. 😩
Been on both sides of the fence, I always did my best to be on time for interviews whether I was interviewing or being interviewed because time is valuable for both parties.
Another truth is that interviews can be fake. for variety of reasons. Sometimes, could be the position has been filled by a preferred candidate so the interviews are really a show to satisfy the hiring process. Other times, could be some poorly managed companies use interviews as a PR stunt to attract investments etc.
My favorite one is internal job postings. They already have someone lined up but they have to play a whole charade.
I had a recruiter not come on video at all and did not acknowledge the fact of why she did not come on video, I was just left on video while talking to her picture on Teams. So weird, let's just say after 4 interviews and then being asked to drive another hour for something that should have been done in the first interview when I was there in person...I didn't take the position...actually I have no idea if they were planning to offer the position and also discovered they reposted the position 3 times during this month process of getting NOWHERE. I was not going to pick up my son and move even further away from loved ones for this company. If this was a date, I would have declined a second date. (oh and the reply to my "thank you so much for the interview" email...was ignored and replied to 7 days later asking me to come in person again and then she changed the time and never acknowledged my thank you (she literally hit reply with -"can you come..." then changed the time at the last minute).
I interviewed for a job in an office of women only. I thought it would be great and I felt the interview went well in general at first. During the interview the main interviewer asked me straight out if I had children. I said no. She then said that everyone else in the office has children and they were looking for another employee with children as that would be something we’d all have in common. It was never my intention to not have children, and I was offended by the comments as I did want to have children but can’t, and I’m judged at a job interview, at a utility company, for being childless. I left the interview really hurt, but glad that they were honest so I didn’t have to worry about whether or not I’d get the job. This was in Whitney Point, NY.
I'm shocked reading this!! I thought this type of personal question is illegal to ask in NY!
@hiroober6024 It's illegal, I'm in the UK and it happens here too, I turned down the job as Hiring Manager was a creep and keep me in the interview 2 hrs, I'd never let that happen again and wouldn't hesitate to remove myself from any situation that caused stress/ discomfort 😮
All I got to say to a recruiter if you can't figure out in the 10-15 minutes that you're talking to somebody if they're not for right for their job. Maybe we need to get a recruiter.
I guarantee you if some sort of law passed tomorrow where potential employers were required to start compensating candidates for their time, they wouldn’t be so excessive with their interviews. These 3 and 4 interviews would be a thing in the past 😂
The law of supply and demand plays an integral part here.
If there is one position and many candidates then everything you have just mentioned is applicable.
If, on the other hand, you are that unique specialist many companies want, then the whole narrative flips around.
The goal is to have unique skills, so you don’t have to wait in line and compete for an interview.
Few weeks ago I applied for a new position at a company in a foreign country. The company is not big so the boss himself - owner of the company - was interviewing me. He came few minutes later, wearing shorts and sandals. During the interview he had few phonecalls - which none of them were rejected. He openly said he needed to go the toilet - and fairly enough - he asked me if I needed too LOL. I was a little surprised by all of this by hey - it's a family owned company with not strict rules - so I swalled all of this with a smile.
I got hired. It turned out this guy is THE best boss I ever had, the atmosphere at the workplace is very natural and frindly and actually everyday I get up I am smiling I go to work. I realized I miss my new job already on Saturday evening and can't wait until Monday morning to make this 1,5 hour commute :)
To put it bluntly. HR are like "house N word" (look up that term if you dont understand the context between those slave within a house and those working the field). Point is, they are the type of people that know they will lose their job last, talk with leadership enough to think they are on their level, but in reality they are not. Read any medium sized HR textbook and you will notice that most of it is more or less just "I think" stuff. You combine that with a CV with high enough marks, face factor and you could do that job with little risk. Yet they think they are creating miracles. While in reality they just offset something uncomfortable allot of boss used to do before. Be it hiring or firing. Oh, we need a new employee. HR has the difficult choice between over qualified person A or B. How will they manage!
The technical interview vs actual hit hard.... why do companies do this is beyond me
I had a job interview with the head of the dept the other day. I knew in advance that she was tight on her schedule and was leaving for 2 weeks vacation. She wanted to interview me before she went on vacation so recruiter scheduled a half an teams meeting. I was early to the teams meeting and when she dialed in she was not on camera, she apologized that she was driving/in her car and could not turn on her camera. During our interview, I could barely hear was she saying, i was assuming that because she was in a moving car, the connection wasn't stable. I tried my best to hear what she was saying even having to lean into my phone with my ears close to the speakers to hear her, I eventually had to pull the phone next to my ear to clearly hear what she was saying. All this time, I could not see her but she could see me, I couldnt help but to think that was the reason of why I didn't get the job. I thought I answered her questions quite well. I thought it was kinda rude and inconsiderate of her to reschedule the interview until she returns so that I was able to interview face to face and not have distractions while she was driving.
I absolutely love your videos and the THUMBNAIL for this one had me rolling 😂 wonderful channel
Haha love the thumbnail image 😂
Also, great video and content, as always!
I’m 100% a silver medalist; I don’t fault the company though. Unfortunately I’m not able to start when they want, so it’s likely they are only going to use me as a fallback.
I’m not against this, however, it stinks I couldn’t start sooner because the jobs sounds great.
So you hit pretty much everything you described, showing up in a tee shirt, canceled & rescheduled, in fact the last interview tact on another half hour etc etc I let a lot go through 7 intense interviews including the COO, beat out an internal candidate, and got the job offer of a lifetime and could not be happier!! If you can roll with punches you’ll be fine!!
Thanks man. I'll definitely consider these tips.
I was once a 'pig iron' medalist. I went to an interview, and there was only another candidate and me being considered. My interview did not go well. Afterwards, when both interviews were completed, we were asked to sit together in the same room. The other candidate said that she wasn't sure the job was for her- she already had a job. After 10 minutes, the other candidate was asked to return to the interview room. I was then told by the human resource woman that they had offered the job to the other candidate. The next morning, I had a phone call offering me the job. Even though I was unemployed and quite desperate for a job I turned the job down. The fact that I did poorly in the interview and that initially, they had offered the position to the only other candidate bruised my ego somewhat, and even though I was extremely motivated for a job, I just couldn't accept the offer. Pride and stubbornness are a deadly combination. Flaxen Saxon.
I have been on interviews and I have a feeling I have to rebrand myself to relate to position and pivot towards that company before interviewing for a job multiple and I have lacked the personality they look for
Very good overview, very good reality check.
The last point is the hardest pill for job searchers to swallow. Interviewing is not a social encounter! You are not on even footing with the prospective employer. You must understand that tolerating crap is part of the game.
But with that being said, know your cutoff point for realizing that a company is wasting your time.
In my opinion it is government fault to let corporate play these games with people. If they pass laws to protect people vs corporate there would be much more transparency and less power gap
This is the same the world over, laws or no laws employers will choice who they want.
I use interviews to check them out just as they are checking me out
I Only work for myself. Just do what's necessary and what they deserve.
I’d probably have to disagree with the point around employers frowning on the applicant needing to change the interview date. This is even further solidified if you are the gold medalist candidate. If there’s an emergency situation and they hold that against you, consider yourself dodged a bullet.
Guess I'm weird, because in my last job search, I enjoyed the majority of the interviews even though I didn't get the jobs. I learned something from each one and practiced my interview skills, in the real world.
Here's your experience as a new college graduate job seeker:
1) Applying to ghost jobs.
2) If you get put on "the waiting list," then you didn't get the job.
3) If they really want you then they'll hire you within 2 weeks, if not, then you didn't get the job.
4) Seeing the same job post every week and every month means the company is just advertising itself or fishing for the perfect candidate. Either way, you'll will be wasting your time.
5) Companies will literally offer entry level employees minimum wage pay or less, but expect you to work like a seasoned employee.
6) You will apply to so many jobs that you will think that there's no real jobs and end up working at a job that only requires a high school degree (I personally know a PhD student in such a situation).
7) Learn that job recruiters are full of bs and are like your worst college professors.
The peer interview process is horrible. Not only is it intimidating to be in front of like 6 people, but if one of them doesn’t seem to like you, for some reason , they can change the other’s opinions.
2:15 Hey, there. I can happen that the company pronounces informal dress code, and the candidate gets frowned upon for coming across as too formally dressed. One thing to watch out for.
Another thing about the best person doesn't always get the job: sometimes the best choice declined the offer or saw red flags and the org had to go and search again for the next best option (sloppy seconds). Someone who would be willing to put up with their BS.
In nyc they have to now so they kiss my ass. I love saying “What’s that actual salary range? Is this a NYC based job or fully remote? Otherwise I would have to ask for compliance regarding NYC’s rule regarding full transparency regarding the pay “base salary””
I noticed, you carefully avoided addressing the present discrimination against the individuals who would previously have been successful candidates.
Many employers are now being "encouraged" to employ individuals they would previously have considered unsuitable.
The biggest time waster I've had to go through as a medical coder is a "coding test". After 11 years I should be able to find a CPT or diagnosis code. But spending hours of my own time to code medical notes and submit, hoping that the test is current with the ever changing guidelines is the most frustrating was of time.
I have to add sometimes a person with great credentials might have a bad personality, my airline tries to weed out management candidates who they feel might have an adversarial attitude to their subordinates.
I leap frogged the gold medalist mid interview in current job. He was technically more qualified but i let them know, I'm hungrier. He was already a senior but i was chomping at the bit to get in. Got the job offer in a few hours.
Sometimes being silver can be a good thing.
Very good video thank you