before this video came out i had the same suspections that the suspect is indeed an orokin 7 because he said an orokin word for justice and nora was saying turing people into glass was orokin era stuff.
From the start I've thought we are facing a Cephalon at the end of this. The second puzzle section with the awkward jumping stones seems to be this cephalons portion of the weave. As for its origins I think it's one of the Duviri. This could be a breadcrumb on its way to the paradox rather than the new war.
The Duviri being the wealthiest of the wealthy likely the last of the Orokin. Only really hinted at in game from solaris quotes. "Duviri? 'Holier than thou.' And have enough scratch to treat barons like concubines. That's who we're really working for, mark me words." & "Made a delivery to a Duviri pleasure lake, once upon a time. Airships positioned to blow spore from fragrant forests, towards the Magnate's dining barge at suppertime. Me? I got a boot in the left quarter acutator for staring at his wife too long."
Whether they are Orokin or the Corpus 1%, they have unimaginable resources and more than likely control old orokin tech. Guessing one of them glassed themselves so retained their own mind and is working out how to make more but hasn't quite figured it out yet.
Wow this is a solid bordering on great example of visual storytelling, the crime scene and dialogue creating intrigue and mystery, perhaps pointing to an Orokin frame or another Tenno.(I really needed this after Destiny 2 pulled a Nokris 2.0 with Rasputin and Felwinter and you probably remember how mad that made me.)
I saw your comment on the other vid. Destiny is just killing me right now. Like, I got into UA-cam to talk about Destiny lore and now I can barely listen to it. The Lie final mission was just painful. They are just throwing shit against the wall at this point with Destiny, and I can't even anymore...
Maybe its an old orokin who had to cephalite himself and lost his memories for a long time? and in the current time rediscovered how to turn people in to cephalons once again?
I remember I was fascinated by the Orokin since day 1. Even if now I know they were jerks I still want to believe that the Unum represents a positive aspect of that civilization.
The sentients were also made by the orokin to terraform Tau, and turned back on them because they knew they would destroy it like they did with the origin system.
There is something Nora said that tickled me... « _Folklore has it these Ayatans used to hold... memories._ » And who has been collecting Ayatans for years ?... MAROO ! My hypothesis is : Either Maroo collected enough ayatans to discover this glacing technique. Or she collected enough to partially reconstituate an entity who know how to do it.
I think that at the picture of the glass shoulder armor you see when you reach the stone at the end of the puzzle, the shoulder model that is sitting on seems to be orokin, as it looks to be this grey/blue ish colour.
Without question. Everything about this seems orokin, so it's either an orokin who done it or... someone trying to make it look like an orokin done it...
@@ricardomedina6353 Indeed. Also, by comparing the picture with the in-game armor piece, the picture seems to be showing the right shoulder on the front side. Ballas also has his shoulder armor(?) on his right shoulder. So could such a shoulder decoration be a sign of status or class within the high ranks of the orokin empire?
My guess is its a cephalon, which has been recently restarted, in a digsite, which line's up how he is focused on only one function "to convert criminals to cephalon". He needs a reason to exist, as Ordis whole ordeal was for the operator ( his sole reason to exist).
at the picture when you succesfully do the test, the small square above the last bit of text, that does look a lot like the shoulder from balles, grey skin golden neklace, fits the bill. Edit: knowing what ballas used to do, it might be a uniform for the seven and thus confirming that it is a member of the seven
IT might be a self concious warframe, the demon self made thing showed the 29th NIGHTWAVE reward, maybe Gara Umbra, tortured by the OROKIN? Sorry bout the capital letters it's autocorrect and I can't be bothered to change it
I honestly thought this was the Myrmidon from Ivara's lore lol, it could use the jade light which was apparently used by the Orokin 7 in their executions. But, the jade light was actually to make the "executed" go boom-boom, not go through glassification. The Glassmaker is definitely a new Cephalon, a Cephalon that existed since the time of the Orokin and acquired their murderous tendencies (based on the fact alone that he/she exists within the "Weave" and that when in the "Weave" the platforms that show up seem to be of Orokin design.)
Interesting video as always :> Hope we find the guy who did it and its related to the lore not new character that we see then thrown away for ever But the voice changer I appreciate the new take on it But tbh for me i just like your normal voice reading it just one opinion doesn't mean it need to be changed :>
i feel like its a part of ordis mainly because he was ordan karris the doom slayer and he is a broken cephalon so feel like a part of him which is full of anger is going around and killing people
I am really hoping for a new cephalon to result from this nightwave. I find their whole concept pretty interesting. Maybe an amalgam cephalon with all the faction members represented. When I first looked at the new shoulder armor the first thing I noticed that it was a bunch of small glass panes making up a larger whole. Liked the video Siege alway like hearing your take.
I've even heard the speculation that the glassmaker could be the unum. Currently in the lore the unum is shrouded in mystery. How could we know if it is a benevolent being. Yes it helps the people of cetus, but from what it said in the weave we know it is some sort of orokin judge of sorts, which means it may only be benevolent to those who dont break the law. We dont know how the unum was created but we can assume it is similar to a cephalon, because the orokin only made a true AI once as far as we know. And if it is orokin like you are saying, then wouldn't it make sense that it would help gara to kill the eidelon. Unless of course it is allied with Ballas. Personally I dont think this theory is correct, but wouldn't it be interesting.
This is one story I'll be following pretty close as I'm certain it's going to have some larger implications to the world, unlike Arlo and the Wolf. We'll see how far off I am in the very near future, lol...
@@TheDsIEGE yes exactly. I feel like this season carries a lot more weight than the others. The wolf was practically meaningless. Arlo seems to have some importance with his "flame" and the overall story of the infested. But this season seems a lot more important. But that just reminded me. I wonder if "arlo's flame" is the same or similar to Natah's "voice/fire". It seems that arlo's flame can protect the infested. So does Natah's fire protect the sentients, or whoever's wields it. That would definitely be a motive for ballas.
Cephalons were made during the Orokin Era before it's collapse. It's possible that another Cephalon has it's old persona seeping through the cracks of it's programming, allowing it to act independently. Something Ordis did when we woke up, was to purge his own memory without Tenno input. So they are capable of some independent actions.
Oh dang at first I thought it might've been Onkko for several reasons but holy poop nuggets your theory is so frigging awesome and I think I'm definitely leaning towards it. 😂
I think it's Nef. They way he talks sounds very similar and Orb Vallis is known to have Orokin tech. With the new Corpus stuff coming out, and the lead in to Corpus RailJack missions, I think it would be a good fit to have Nef finally step up as a bigger villain that we need to deal with.
Im under suspicion it's Bilsa, she was pretty much one of the first Grineer leader and was friends with Executor Avantus, so she would have direct access to kuva which seems vital to the process. It could also be Veytok who captured Bilsa and probably interrogated her for Orokin secrets.
A couple of thoughts to stir the pot as it were. 1 is the inclusion of an ayatan star and the quote of ayatans holding memories (possibly of orokin). It could be that a crime boss or high up corpus (because there are a few who trade in cetus) got their hands on it and some kind of continuity took place replacing their mind with an orokins.
I had the idea that it's an old Cephalon that was trapped in the void for a while that used to be some sort of... law enforcement for the Orokin. Although I don't have much else beyond that. No idea how it might have escaped.
Dont the Orokin mind wipe and "hack" cephalons to act a certain way? Look at Cephalon stark. Hes doing the index not of his free will and acts like he loves it because hes programmed to. He might be an "AI" but there seems to be limitations. Look at ordis! His old personality bleeds through cause hes broken. the annoying ordis we have is what he was "programmed" to be. and when the vatruvian was placed into his system his manerisms and voice completely changed as well. We forget that behind all the programming theres a LIVE brain in there. So it could be the very cephalon tasked with glassing people or a military cephalon who is now unhinged and able to gain back his personality; like how ordis is broken and his real personality bleeds through.
to be honest i originally thought the 'glassmaker' was Gara Prime but maybe i was wrong with that original guess.thought the frames themselves were all another punishment so the "demon self made' and Orokin era might still apply, though you did bring up some good counterpoints as well. anyway siege,keep investigating as we all should.
Great content as always, sorry to hear DE closed the partner program for now (till they clean house) Best of luck and thanks for your content... Sounds like what happen to ordis when he was long ago Beast of the bones...
It's all good. Given the replies I got from the last vid, I'm probably going to apply again when it reopens. What's nice is, like you said, it will most likely be in a much better state at that point. And doesn't it emulate the same type of punishment ordis got? Orokin behavior, if nothing else...
@@TheDsIEGE I agree it as a familiar feel to it. Maybe Like i once said in previous vids. DE decided to tight up some loose ends with lore. Anyway you do a amazing job and like others i enjoy each new videos you make.
my guess is that the glassmaker is Ordan Karris, Ordis says he deleted that part of him - but what if he just broke it off and abandoned it in the weave - and then Ordan Karris achieved awareness from that and rebuilt himself. he would definitely be someone ostron feared too.
Your ideas make a lot of sense but ones I'd like to throw out would be Regor or Alad they are arguably two of the smartest people we've met and have the morality or rather lack there of to do test and experiments into this kind of thing. But to counter point my idea Regor is right now dead till proven other wise since he did challenge us to a fight to the death, but as we know the grineer operate by cloning so he could've cloned himself because he knew he couldn't beat us so after he died his clone continues to work furthering his research in secret, and so Regor in his mind something like a cephalon could be seen as a form of immortality and he was looking for ways to improve the grineer so he might have tested on another clone of himself so this can explain how he can manipulate the weave if only cephalons can do that since he made himself into a cephalon or rather a clone of him. And the end game might be to get revenge for his tube men he might do stuff with the glass and leave "hints" and "clues" that lead people to think that it's us and loose a lot of our allies. Alad I have nothing for this just think it can work. Well these are my two ideas hope you like them.
A very interesting theory, as to whom the culprit could be, I was pointing to someone like Simarius (who could have all the knowledge we're talking about) but also not him, is wired, what really got me thinking on what you said was, what if Wally is actually also being made to do what he does? What of he has some sort of situation like what Natah has right now?? Does that mean that there's someone else even bigger than him pulling the strings???
I wonder what could we bring to the table if we see all clues side by side. You got the same as I did, but lot of people had other clues, maybe if you put em all together theres something to make sense of it. I don't know if could be Ballas... He was under Erras control and about to be striked down by Lotus the last time we saw him. The only way to make sense is what if she did not kill him? Her brother was talking about bringin purity and Ballas' legs were kinda sentient-ish already, maybe she had the power to turn him into a complete Sentient life-form. And now we have a Sentient-Orokin mutant mixing the power of both Sentient and Orokin that he already had turning him into a real killing machine. But the Glassmaker does not look like just a random rampage killer neither, he is looking for something.
I doubt the glassmaker is ballad as he’s probably busy back with the sentients and whatever they’re doing and whatever the end of glassmaker is its definitely gonna have something to do with cephalons based on all the cephalon inspired stuff in the night wave rewards
My current suspect right now is the Stalker. Who else behind the Seven were somehow related to "justice"? Considering what we saw at The Second Dream, about someone who got mad at realizing what he had become and the speculation made by the community that he was an adult who was capable of transference, it can be a possibility, even if it's very far-fetched right now.
When I entered the area where the glass maker speaks to you he says “you’re not a real child are you?” I dont remember if you covered that in this episode but I found it interesting
I definitely don't think it's Ballas. That goes against the whole point of Nightwave expanding the universe. Also I'm pretty sure the guy asking about a transducer was Corpus or Solaris. The message is in a Corpus tablet and he says "by the void"
The culprit has standing with the Ostrons Had a deep hatred to those who betray in the name of self gain Is smart enough to not only realize the effects of Orokin technology in the wrong hands...but to use such technology Im betting in Sigor Savah
I have a theory unrelated to glassmaker, since Ballas was the one who created the Warframes I think he will make one that is of pure sentient origin, whether it be originally made for Sentients to use somehow and we get our hands on it or as a weapon for us, the Tenno, to better fight the sentients I think it’s entirely possible that we may find ourselves with a new prime sentient Warframe in the future or possibly even sentient versions of the Warframes we currently have.
Its obviously related to Gara, probably Gara Prime. They should do these with every new Warframe they add, I like following a backstory and clues to finding out who the frame is.
The cephalon theory could work if there was a mistake in continuity. Instead of going inside a person it went to the unum. World falls apart when it's around his time and to save himself he either tried to steal a body or become something more (hence self made demon) and he was trapped in the tower until the Ostrons dug him out
Seems like it could be Ballas, but I think that it could be just too little of a problem for Ballas to care about that. Also he's in a situation of his own, working with the Sentients and "captured" by Erra. Not sure but I think that Ballas would look away from a smaller thing like that even though he violated the 423rd and the 600th and something legem I still think that Ballas wouldnt deal with this because in the Sacrifice he is talking about the Bigger Picture when speaking to Umbra but not sure still liked the video. Keep it up!
i bet it's just an orokin who turned himself into a cephalon after the tenno started killing the orokin. probably programmed himself to "uphold" the legem and stuff
I still question if Shigg is still alive or not as glass. Like the Riddick anime. My theories are that it is either. - A Cephelon that has gone rogue after being rediscovered. - An orokin that was turned cephelon but retains all of themselves, unlike Suda or Simaris. - It also could be an orokin using a cephelon as a proxy or filter to commit the murders/fissures. The reason I say that it obviously from above involves or is a cephelon. Is the Cephalite Resounce. Tenno can't enter the dreamweave on their own. Never have been able too. Ever time we enter the dreamweave we have always required a Cephelon to help. We need Simaris to enter Simaris's onslaught. We also needed Simaris to enter Suda's Datascape to fight Hunhow. As for it being Ballis I don't think so. He is busily puppeteering the Sentient. It is more than possible that this could be one of the other seven Orokin. I have long suspected that while the Tenno uprising was a surprise. I don't think it was a surprise enough. Orokin seems to always have a plan. Granted what plan letter they are on now is questionable but still... They are cunning. And so-called masters of death. A bit more far fetched theory is that... It could be the Stalker or an Acolyte of his. He/they does fit the self-made demon part. We also haven't heard from him/them in some time. Not since when? The second dream. He is a tenno... Meaning he is still a demon in the orokin's eyes. Also while we have been building our allies. Who's to say he hasn't done the same? Speculation might have it that perhaps the Stalker has woken from his second dream and is a tenno is roaming free. Who's to say? Think about it. If the stalkers tenno is awake. Who is going to know who he is? What he looks like? No one. Thanks to us. His tenno can go anywhere we go and not harassed. Meaning he could easily get supplies, make contacts (all be it, shady ones), and prepare. Plus. Food for thought. What if he had/got his very own cephelon? One might have cracked the secret of the glass? While granted he is an easy target nowadays. His warframe is still far, far stronger than any other warframe out there. When it comes toe to toe. While our warframes have only four abilities with some that have extra variants a single ability. His has six. SIX!!! On top of that, the warframe is immuned to all our abilities. Add in the sentients improvements with shield gating. That is why he is a pain/annoyance for us. Again whose to say... He hasn't upgraded since than. Also if his warframe is that powerful, I hesitated to even think what his tenno is like. Especially if his mind limited placed by Margulas have been removed like us.
My first theory was that this was Corpus, specialy sergant, but afther the relese, i came up with the new theory- Glassmaker is himslef a Cephalon, more specific, old judge cefalon used by seven to serve about the lesser crimes. edit: Cefalon would definitly do that... Just look at our deer friend Ordis. He is Trigger happy, and so on. And IF the cefalon was made to serve law, in the orokin standards he is acting as he should be. HE is punnishing the ones that broke the law. Why he hadn't attacked us? Becose he is programed to work on lower cases of law braking- like stealing, which happens to be what bouth corpus and grineer are doing with orokin tech, and this type of things, while we hadn't done that( we were given orokin technology by them), and done something over his competence, so he can't judge us.
There is probably one more clue that reinforces this. The voice's apparent knowledge of many "ledgems" or laws. I am pretty sure that if you worked as an executor or judge you would now those quite well
I'm going to say I suspect a Cephalon that we haven't met yet. One that worked for the Orokin Judges and did some the work for them including executing punishments. And with no Orokin judges or other staff to give it orders or keep it maintained it's gone a bit off the rails and has taken to doing the job of Judge and Executioner upon itself and has started to punish those it finds guilty. The last question is, by whose laws is it working by?
I think the Glassmaker is an Operator gone rogue that Mains a Modified Gara. And what is that timed task in this I didn't see it when looking through the scene
My idea is what if ballas is our man in the wall. Maybe when he was studying us he made a back door hoping to control us with our own subconscious and as most of the side projects it worked but only to a small degree
Yeah, I can't actually see why not because... well he does have the whole eye thing down, he's got the creepy voice, he basically came out of nowhere to take the lotus, conveniently after the chains of harrow quest... To say that there is a connection between him and the man in the wall, potentially even being the same person, definitely has some legs to it...
It just started clicking for me due to the fact of his disdain of us in the sacrifice quest but when you listen to the man in the wall after it sounds in the tone of his voice like he is trying to force his thinking on us trying to steer us and I can only come up with 3 people who would have that kind of knowledge and technology to possibly control us (Ordis, Lotus, and of course Ballas)
Could the Glassmaker be a Cephalon? A former one of the seven? I mean, Cephalites... We're getting all these Cephalon themed rewards. I think that his identity is gonna be revealed during or after the second or third puzzle and then have us find him and take him down in the other puzzles.
I think that it could be a cephalon...maybe of an orokin judge if you will. If you think about it, where do we really go when we do the quiz? a datascape pherhaps? that would mean a cephalon, unless the glassmaker is using cephalon's datascapes to hide and remain at large. The thing that bugs me is that he seems to be very knowledgeable AND have a disembodied voice. Only a cephalon has that in a datascape. For it to be someone non-orokin would be very strange. My money is on the theory that it's a cephalon orokin judge. One of the seven, if not all of them. The design of the quiz space is very orokin. Laced in gold and white. VERY orokin if you ask me.
3yrs later, as a (relatively) newish player (MR29) I wish DE would bring back narrative driven Nightwave. Nora's Mixs are great for side loot but, seeing some of the older NW, I love lore and narrative based goals.
Glass it's comming from the void so it can't be ballas because he is half sentient so he would get damaged. I think its one of the orokin 7 just turned into the cephalon because every cosmetic in this event is almost themed about the glass and cephalon syandana operator masks "synoid skins" synoid are weapons and things suda related from what i know.
Evil gara controlled by a evil celp or a new soul Warframe edit: a other theory is it could be the stalkers tenno or the person who is/was controlling the stalker frame
Idk who the Glassmaker is, but I wanna point out that the voice on the jump puzzle sound pretty much Corpus-like (I even think that the voice actor was the same who voiced Ergo Glast). Could it be, not Ballas, but a associate of his?
While it would be nice to be Ballas and possible advancing the storyline by alot, I think this may be another orokin executor (Ballas is an executor also). Read Grendel's lore or visit his leverian. Some executors survived the collapse and went into hiding.
In my opinion, Its probably not Ballas. Its most likely a Cephalon considering that we are not actually interacting with Shigg's Body. We are interacting with a Crime SImula pulled from the Weave. The Weave is something that all Cephalons are connected to (as stated in passing by Simaris in Octavia's Anthem). It would make sense that a Cephalon can talk to us through the Weave. Regarding the Similarities to Ballas, in speech and mannerisms, it is possible that this Cephalon used to be an Executor like Ballas. It's possible that Ballas converted him into a Cephalon because said Executor tried to interfere with Balla's Betrayal. Another possibility is that this "Cephalon" is a sort of assistant to Executors, helping them to deliver punishment. Shigg seems to have awakened it and it might have registered him as a criminal and adminstered punishment
So, I was going to, but... it's the same information. The only difference is the names and the pictures, which I thought was kinda stupid given different people say the same thing. It's immersion breaking, honestly, so I left it out so as to not make mention of that...
Tin foil hat, the Glassmaker is the original Tenno of Gara and when it finishes, we'll have Gara prime
i'm thinking this too! i know its a crazy theory, but it would make a lot of sense and i'd love for this to happen!
I think it has something to do with Gara bc of glass and cetus
or maybe umbral gara XD
No it doesn't. They've said it has nothing to do with gara a million times
before this video came out i had the same suspections that the suspect is indeed an orokin 7 because he said an orokin word for justice and nora was saying turing people into glass was orokin era stuff.
Seems almost too perfectly lined up with them, it really does.
I agree
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From the start I've thought we are facing a Cephalon at the end of this. The second puzzle section with the awkward jumping stones seems to be this cephalons portion of the weave.
As for its origins I think it's one of the Duviri. This could be a breadcrumb on its way to the paradox rather than the new war.
The Duviri being the wealthiest of the wealthy likely the last of the Orokin. Only really hinted at in game from solaris quotes. "Duviri? 'Holier than thou.' And have enough scratch to treat barons like concubines. That's who we're really working for, mark me words." & "Made a delivery to a Duviri pleasure lake, once upon a time. Airships positioned to blow spore from fragrant forests, towards the Magnate's dining barge at suppertime. Me? I got a boot in the left quarter acutator for staring at his wife too long."
Whether they are Orokin or the Corpus 1%, they have unimaginable resources and more than likely control old orokin tech.
Guessing one of them glassed themselves so retained their own mind and is working out how to make more but hasn't quite figured it out yet.
Wow this is a solid bordering on great example of visual storytelling, the crime scene and dialogue creating intrigue and mystery, perhaps pointing to an Orokin frame or another Tenno.(I really needed this after Destiny 2 pulled a Nokris 2.0 with Rasputin and Felwinter and you probably remember how mad that made me.)
I saw your comment on the other vid. Destiny is just killing me right now. Like, I got into UA-cam to talk about Destiny lore and now I can barely listen to it. The Lie final mission was just painful. They are just throwing shit against the wall at this point with Destiny, and I can't even anymore...
My money is that it’s our chepalon ODRIS, but you may be right
Maybe its an old orokin who had to cephalite himself and lost his memories for a long time? and in the current time rediscovered how to turn people in to cephalons once again?
And sudennly it's simmaris testing old weapons outside the sanctuary)))
I remember I was fascinated by the Orokin since day 1. Even if now I know they were jerks I still want to believe that the Unum represents a positive aspect of that civilization.
God damn it Ballas take this Sword back **yeets the Paracesis**
The sentients were also made by the orokin to terraform Tau, and turned back on them because they knew they would destroy it like they did with the origin system.
There is something Nora said that tickled me...
« _Folklore has it these Ayatans used to hold... memories._ »
And who has been collecting Ayatans for years ?... MAROO !
My hypothesis is : Either Maroo collected enough ayatans to discover this glacing technique. Or she collected enough to partially reconstituate an entity who know how to do it.
I think that at the picture of the glass shoulder armor you see when you reach the stone at the end of the puzzle, the shoulder model that is sitting on seems to be orokin, as it looks to be this grey/blue ish colour.
Without question. Everything about this seems orokin, so it's either an orokin who done it or... someone trying to make it look like an orokin done it...
There seems to be an orokin necklice next to the shoulder armor.
@@ricardomedina6353 Indeed. Also, by comparing the picture with the in-game armor piece, the picture seems to be showing the right shoulder on the front side. Ballas also has his shoulder armor(?) on his right shoulder. So could such a shoulder decoration be a sign of status or class within the high ranks of the orokin empire?
Then theres me,, thinking that the glassmaker is GARA with a Corrupt Tenno
Your theories and speculations always leave me thinking and wanting to hear more. Keep up the great work! :D
Could you imagine if at the end of all this, we're taken to a place where everyone who had been glassed in the past? Maybe we'll get to see Ordis?
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Free ordis hmmmmmmmmm
My guess is its a cephalon, which has been recently restarted, in a digsite, which line's up how he is focused on only one function "to convert criminals to cephalon". He needs a reason to exist, as Ordis whole ordeal was for the operator ( his sole reason to exist).
it also quotes what it seems to be an specific law
at the picture when you succesfully do the test, the small square above the last bit of text, that does look a lot like the shoulder from balles, grey skin golden neklace, fits the bill. Edit: knowing what ballas used to do, it might be a uniform for the seven and thus confirming that it is a member of the seven
The actual culprit has been revealed
I get the feeling that the glassmaker may have been an orokin responsible for justice and in some sort of betrayal the seven made him into a cephalon.
An Orokin sentence to a glass prison? Looks like a hexagon
IT might be a self concious warframe, the demon self made thing showed the 29th NIGHTWAVE reward, maybe Gara Umbra, tortured by the OROKIN?
Sorry bout the capital letters it's autocorrect and I can't be bothered to change it
cording with the data mining is a new character that supposed we should know who is
Can't wait to see that...
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I honestly thought this was the Myrmidon from Ivara's lore lol, it could use the jade light which was apparently used by the Orokin 7 in their executions. But, the jade light was actually to make the "executed" go boom-boom, not go through glassification. The Glassmaker is definitely a new Cephalon, a Cephalon that existed since the time of the Orokin and acquired their murderous tendencies (based on the fact alone that he/she exists within the "Weave" and that when in the "Weave" the platforms that show up seem to be of Orokin design.)
Interesting video as always :>
Hope we find the guy who did it and its related to the lore not new character that we see then thrown away for ever
But the voice changer I appreciate the new take on it
But tbh for me i just like your normal voice reading it just one opinion doesn't mean it need to be changed :>
The Voice we're hearing reminds me more of Tyl Regor, both from its sound and intonation.
Might be the distortion though.
i feel like its a part of ordis mainly because he was ordan karris the doom slayer and he is a broken cephalon so feel like a part of him which is full of anger is going around and killing people
I am really hoping for a new cephalon to result from this nightwave. I find their whole concept pretty interesting. Maybe an amalgam cephalon with all the faction members represented. When I first looked at the new shoulder armor the first thing I noticed that it was a bunch of small glass panes making up a larger whole. Liked the video Siege alway like hearing your take.
A tenno who was glassed. And was able to escape out of it, now is looking for revenge
Me while investigating: *turns eyes to Gara staring suspeciously*
I've even heard the speculation that the glassmaker could be the unum. Currently in the lore the unum is shrouded in mystery. How could we know if it is a benevolent being. Yes it helps the people of cetus, but from what it said in the weave we know it is some sort of orokin judge of sorts, which means it may only be benevolent to those who dont break the law.
We dont know how the unum was created but we can assume it is similar to a cephalon, because the orokin only made a true AI once as far as we know. And if it is orokin like you are saying, then wouldn't it make sense that it would help gara to kill the eidelon. Unless of course it is allied with Ballas.
Personally I dont think this theory is correct, but wouldn't it be interesting.
This is one story I'll be following pretty close as I'm certain it's going to have some larger implications to the world, unlike Arlo and the Wolf. We'll see how far off I am in the very near future, lol...
@@TheDsIEGE yes exactly. I feel like this season carries a lot more weight than the others. The wolf was practically meaningless. Arlo seems to have some importance with his "flame" and the overall story of the infested. But this season seems a lot more important. But that just reminded me. I wonder if "arlo's flame" is the same or similar to Natah's "voice/fire". It seems that arlo's flame can protect the infested. So does Natah's fire protect the sentients, or whoever's wields it. That would definitely be a motive for ballas.
Cephalons were made during the Orokin Era before it's collapse. It's possible that another Cephalon has it's old persona seeping through the cracks of it's programming, allowing it to act independently. Something Ordis did when we woke up, was to purge his own memory without Tenno input. So they are capable of some independent actions.
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Man, what an interesting speculation
Keep it up
In the picture of the shoulder armor, you can see what appears to be a gray shoulder, an Orokin’s shoulder.
Ambitious soundtrack crossover:
Gambit intro with glassmaker cinematic
Oh dang at first I thought it might've been Onkko for several reasons but holy poop nuggets your theory is so frigging awesome and I think I'm definitely leaning towards it. 😂
I think it's Nef. They way he talks sounds very similar and Orb Vallis is known to have Orokin tech. With the new Corpus stuff coming out, and the lead in to Corpus RailJack missions, I think it would be a good fit to have Nef finally step up as a bigger villain that we need to deal with.
Im under suspicion it's Bilsa, she was pretty much one of the first Grineer leader and was friends with Executor Avantus, so she would have direct access to kuva which seems vital to the process. It could also be Veytok who captured Bilsa and probably interrogated her for Orokin secrets.
I'd say definitely a member of the 7, mayhaps a FORMER member, a judge too glass happy
A couple of thoughts to stir the pot as it were. 1 is the inclusion of an ayatan star and the quote of ayatans holding memories (possibly of orokin). It could be that a crime boss or high up corpus (because there are a few who trade in cetus) got their hands on it and some kind of continuity took place replacing their mind with an orokins.
I had the idea that it's an old Cephalon that was trapped in the void for a while that used to be some sort of... law enforcement for the Orokin. Although I don't have much else beyond that. No idea how it might have escaped.
I'm still wondering how it can be a cephalon though? Like... it appears to me more of a person, maybe directing a cephalon? I don't know...
@@TheDsIEGE well all the gear from glass maker mentions cephalon made weapon and gear or a non human inteligance
Dont the Orokin mind wipe and "hack" cephalons to act a certain way? Look at Cephalon stark. Hes doing the index not of his free will and acts like he loves it because hes programmed to. He might be an "AI" but there seems to be limitations. Look at ordis! His old personality bleeds through cause hes broken. the annoying ordis we have is what he was "programmed" to be. and when the vatruvian was placed into his system his manerisms and voice completely changed as well. We forget that behind all the programming theres a LIVE brain in there. So it could be the very cephalon tasked with glassing people or a military cephalon who is now unhinged and able to gain back his personality; like how ordis is broken and his real personality bleeds through.
I got to the quiz part and i fell and it made me have to hunt the the glass people again
That part of the quest was a bit stupid, I have to admit...
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Was weird hearing D2's gambit music in the background it meshed so well with the video haha.
I don’t know why but I feel like this person is corpus or a person that was very much looked down on in Cetus. Or it could be Nef
When it mentioned the tower I immediately thought of the mask girl's brother,but he's dead so probably not.Idk
to be honest i originally thought the 'glassmaker' was Gara Prime but maybe i was wrong with that original guess.thought the frames themselves were all another punishment so the "demon self made' and Orokin era might still apply, though you did bring up some good counterpoints as well. anyway siege,keep investigating as we all should.
I think the glass maker is a cephalon because it had its own part of the weave. While everyone can enter the weave only cephalons can change it
you got me guys, it’s me. I’m the glass maker
Great content as always, sorry to hear DE closed the partner program for now (till they clean house) Best of luck and thanks for your content... Sounds like what happen to ordis when he was long ago Beast of the bones...
It's all good. Given the replies I got from the last vid, I'm probably going to apply again when it reopens. What's nice is, like you said, it will most likely be in a much better state at that point. And doesn't it emulate the same type of punishment ordis got? Orokin behavior, if nothing else...
@@TheDsIEGE I agree it as a familiar feel to it. Maybe Like i once said in previous vids. DE decided to tight up some loose ends with lore. Anyway you do a amazing job and like others i enjoy each new videos you make.
my guess is that the glassmaker is Ordan Karris, Ordis says he deleted that part of him - but what if he just broke it off and abandoned it in the weave - and then Ordan Karris achieved awareness from that and rebuilt himself. he would definitely be someone ostron feared too.
Balas smiles in the New War quests.
It's the Glass cephalon that makes cephalons and punishes the wicked
I think its a orokin who turned himself into a Cephlon to continue to pursue the orokin ways of justice. After the tenno started killing the orokin.
Your ideas make a lot of sense but ones I'd like to throw out would be Regor or Alad they are arguably two of the smartest people we've met and have the morality or rather lack there of to do test and experiments into this kind of thing. But to counter point my idea Regor is right now dead till proven other wise since he did challenge us to a fight to the death, but as we know the grineer operate by cloning so he could've cloned himself because he knew he couldn't beat us so after he died his clone continues to work furthering his research in secret, and so Regor in his mind something like a cephalon could be seen as a form of immortality and he was looking for ways to improve the grineer so he might have tested on another clone of himself so this can explain how he can manipulate the weave if only cephalons can do that since he made himself into a cephalon or rather a clone of him. And the end game might be to get revenge for his tube men he might do stuff with the glass and leave "hints" and "clues" that lead people to think that it's us and loose a lot of our allies. Alad I have nothing for this just think it can work. Well these are my two ideas hope you like them.
A very interesting theory, as to whom the culprit could be, I was pointing to someone like Simarius (who could have all the knowledge we're talking about) but also not him, is wired, what really got me thinking on what you said was, what if Wally is actually also being made to do what he does? What of he has some sort of situation like what Natah has right now?? Does that mean that there's someone else even bigger than him pulling the strings???
I wonder what could we bring to the table if we see all clues side by side. You got the same as I did, but lot of people had other clues, maybe if you put em all together theres something to make sense of it. I don't know if could be Ballas... He was under Erras control and about to be striked down by Lotus the last time we saw him. The only way to make sense is what if she did not kill him? Her brother was talking about bringin purity and Ballas' legs were kinda sentient-ish already, maybe she had the power to turn him into a complete Sentient life-form. And now we have a Sentient-Orokin mutant mixing the power of both Sentient and Orokin that he already had turning him into a real killing machine. But the Glassmaker does not look like just a random rampage killer neither, he is looking for something.
I doubt the glassmaker is ballad as he’s probably busy back with the sentients and whatever they’re doing and whatever the end of glassmaker is its definitely gonna have something to do with cephalons based on all the cephalon inspired stuff in the night wave rewards
is no one gonna talk about his spectacular voice acting
My current suspect right now is the Stalker. Who else behind the Seven were somehow related to "justice"? Considering what we saw at The Second Dream, about someone who got mad at realizing what he had become and the speculation made by the community that he was an adult who was capable of transference, it can be a possibility, even if it's very far-fetched right now.
Glast Gambit voice while reading text, i swear i heard glast right there
When I entered the area where the glass maker speaks to you he says “you’re not a real child are you?” I dont remember if you covered that in this episode but I found it interesting
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I definitely don't think it's Ballas. That goes against the whole point of Nightwave expanding the universe. Also I'm pretty sure the guy asking about a transducer was Corpus or Solaris. The message is in a Corpus tablet and he says "by the void"
The culprit has standing with the Ostrons
Had a deep hatred to those who betray in the name of self gain
Is smart enough to not only realize the effects of Orokin technology in the wrong hands...but to use such technology
Im betting in Sigor Savah
Gara, obviously
Obviously...
I have a theory unrelated to glassmaker, since Ballas was the one who created the Warframes I think he will make one that is of pure sentient origin, whether it be originally made for Sentients to use somehow and we get our hands on it or as a weapon for us, the Tenno, to better fight the sentients I think it’s entirely possible that we may find ourselves with a new prime sentient Warframe in the future or possibly even sentient versions of the Warframes we currently have.
Its obviously related to Gara, probably Gara Prime.
They should do these with every new Warframe they add, I like following a backstory and clues to finding out who the frame is.
I wish but no longer think that the glassmaker was the sergent rework that was teased so long ago
The cephalon theory could work if there was a mistake in continuity. Instead of going inside a person it went to the unum. World falls apart when it's around his time and to save himself he either tried to steal a body or become something more (hence self made demon) and he was trapped in the tower until the Ostrons dug him out
Seems like it could be Ballas, but I think that it could be just too little of a problem for Ballas to care about that. Also he's in a situation of his own, working with the Sentients and "captured" by Erra. Not sure but I think that Ballas would look away from a smaller thing like that even though he violated the 423rd and the 600th and something legem I still think that Ballas wouldnt deal with this because in the Sacrifice he is talking about the Bigger Picture when speaking to Umbra but not sure still liked the video. Keep it up!
i bet it's just an orokin who turned himself into a cephalon after the tenno started killing the orokin. probably programmed himself to "uphold" the legem and stuff
I think it’s actually ballas using oridis’s shadow to a way to be with the sentients and create a new empire
I still question if Shigg is still alive or not as glass. Like the Riddick anime.
My theories are that it is either.
- A Cephelon that has gone rogue after being rediscovered.
- An orokin that was turned cephelon but retains all of themselves, unlike Suda or Simaris.
- It also could be an orokin using a cephelon as a proxy or filter to commit the murders/fissures.
The reason I say that it obviously from above involves or is a cephelon. Is the Cephalite Resounce. Tenno can't enter the dreamweave on their own. Never have been able too. Ever time we enter the dreamweave we have always required a Cephelon to help. We need Simaris to enter Simaris's onslaught. We also needed Simaris to enter Suda's Datascape to fight Hunhow.
As for it being Ballis I don't think so. He is busily puppeteering the Sentient. It is more than possible that this could be one of the other seven Orokin. I have long suspected that while the Tenno uprising was a surprise. I don't think it was a surprise enough. Orokin seems to always have a plan. Granted what plan letter they are on now is questionable but still... They are cunning. And so-called masters of death.
A bit more far fetched theory is that...
It could be the Stalker or an Acolyte of his. He/they does fit the self-made demon part. We also haven't heard from him/them in some time. Not since when? The second dream. He is a tenno... Meaning he is still a demon in the orokin's eyes. Also while we have been building our allies. Who's to say he hasn't done the same? Speculation might have it that perhaps the Stalker has woken from his second dream and is a tenno is roaming free. Who's to say? Think about it. If the stalkers tenno is awake. Who is going to know who he is? What he looks like? No one. Thanks to us. His tenno can go anywhere we go and not harassed. Meaning he could easily get supplies, make contacts (all be it, shady ones), and prepare. Plus. Food for thought. What if he had/got his very own cephelon? One might have cracked the secret of the glass?
While granted he is an easy target nowadays. His warframe is still far, far stronger than any other warframe out there. When it comes toe to toe. While our warframes have only four abilities with some that have extra variants a single ability. His has six. SIX!!! On top of that, the warframe is immuned to all our abilities. Add in the sentients improvements with shield gating. That is why he is a pain/annoyance for us. Again whose to say... He hasn't upgraded since than. Also if his warframe is that powerful, I hesitated to even think what his tenno is like. Especially if his mind limited placed by Margulas have been removed like us.
My first theory was that this was Corpus, specialy sergant, but afther the relese, i came up with the new theory- Glassmaker is himslef a Cephalon, more specific, old judge cefalon used by seven to serve about the lesser crimes.
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Cefalon would definitly do that... Just look at our deer friend Ordis. He is Trigger happy, and so on. And IF the cefalon was made to serve law, in the orokin standards he is acting as he should be. HE is punnishing the ones that broke the law.
Why he hadn't attacked us? Becose he is programed to work on lower cases of law braking- like stealing, which happens to be what bouth corpus and grineer are doing with orokin tech, and this type of things, while we hadn't done that( we were given orokin technology by them), and done something over his competence, so he can't judge us.
There is probably one more clue that reinforces this. The voice's apparent knowledge of many "ledgems" or laws. I am pretty sure that if you worked as an executor or judge you would now those quite well
I'm going to say I suspect a Cephalon that we haven't met yet. One that worked for the Orokin Judges and did some the work for them including executing punishments. And with no Orokin judges or other staff to give it orders or keep it maintained it's gone a bit off the rails and has taken to doing the job of Judge and Executioner upon itself and has started to punish those it finds guilty. The last question is, by whose laws is it working by?
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Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to check the vid out!
I think the Glassmaker is an Operator gone rogue that Mains a Modified Gara.
And what is that timed task in this I didn't see it when looking through the scene
My idea is what if ballas is our man in the wall. Maybe when he was studying us he made a back door hoping to control us with our own subconscious and as most of the side projects it worked but only to a small degree
Yeah, I can't actually see why not because... well he does have the whole eye thing down, he's got the creepy voice, he basically came out of nowhere to take the lotus, conveniently after the chains of harrow quest... To say that there is a connection between him and the man in the wall, potentially even being the same person, definitely has some legs to it...
It just started clicking for me due to the fact of his disdain of us in the sacrifice quest but when you listen to the man in the wall after it sounds in the tone of his voice like he is trying to force his thinking on us trying to steer us and I can only come up with 3 people who would have that kind of knowledge and technology to possibly control us (Ordis, Lotus, and of course Ballas)
Could the Glassmaker be a Cephalon? A former one of the seven? I mean, Cephalites... We're getting all these Cephalon themed rewards. I think that his identity is gonna be revealed during or after the second or third puzzle and then have us find him and take him down in the other puzzles.
I think that it could be a cephalon...maybe of an orokin judge if you will. If you think about it, where do we really go when we do the quiz? a datascape pherhaps? that would mean a cephalon, unless the glassmaker is using cephalon's datascapes to hide and remain at large. The thing that bugs me is that he seems to be very knowledgeable AND have a disembodied voice. Only a cephalon has that in a datascape. For it to be someone non-orokin would be very strange. My money is on the theory that it's a cephalon orokin judge. One of the seven, if not all of them. The design of the quiz space is very orokin. Laced in gold and white. VERY orokin if you ask me.
3yrs later, as a (relatively) newish player (MR29) I wish DE would bring back narrative driven Nightwave. Nora's Mixs are great for side loot but, seeing some of the older NW, I love lore and narrative based goals.
Glass it's comming from the void so it can't be ballas because he is half sentient so he would get damaged. I think its one of the orokin 7 just turned into the cephalon because every cosmetic in this event is almost themed about the glass and cephalon syandana operator masks "synoid skins" synoid are weapons and things suda related from what i know.
I think the glass maker is a new character from orokin .
Not sure really....maybe Jordas is back? Jordas had terrifying behaviour when he was around
He knows an old orokin word, means either its a survivinh orokin or orokin cephalon.
Evil gara controlled by a evil celp or a new soul Warframe edit: a other theory is it could be the stalkers tenno or the person who is/was controlling the stalker frame
Idk who the Glassmaker is, but I wanna point out that the voice on the jump puzzle sound pretty much Corpus-like (I even think that the voice actor was the same who voiced Ergo Glast). Could it be, not Ballas, but a associate of his?
What if the cetus tower is part of the glassmaker story?
what if Ballas has been turned into a cephalon and the current Ballas is a mimic..who knows, we'll see at the end of Glassmaker
Yeah I don't think it's ballas. We've met ballas before and we've just met this mans aquaintance.
Hold up, do I hear Destiny music?
Oh yeah you do.
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Murder Cephalon.......or one of the Seven that new how to glass and made himself a Cephalon as a way out
While it would be nice to be Ballas and possible advancing the storyline by alot, I think this may be another orokin executor (Ballas is an executor also). Read Grendel's lore or visit his leverian. Some executors survived the collapse and went into hiding.
Why the hell is Gambit music from Destiny 2 playing as background music to a WARFRAME vid??
In my opinion, Its probably not Ballas.
Its most likely a Cephalon considering that we are not actually interacting with Shigg's Body. We are interacting with a Crime SImula pulled from the Weave.
The Weave is something that all Cephalons are connected to (as stated in passing by Simaris in Octavia's Anthem).
It would make sense that a Cephalon can talk to us through the Weave.
Regarding the Similarities to Ballas, in speech and mannerisms, it is possible that this Cephalon used to be an Executor like Ballas. It's possible that Ballas converted him into a Cephalon because said Executor tried to interfere with Balla's Betrayal.
Another possibility is that this "Cephalon" is a sort of assistant to Executors, helping them to deliver punishment. Shigg seems to have awakened it and it might have registered him as a criminal and adminstered punishment
i was hoping you could talk about the difference between each Crime scene, since it appears to have 3 different sets.
So, I was going to, but... it's the same information. The only difference is the names and the pictures, which I thought was kinda stupid given different people say the same thing. It's immersion breaking, honestly, so I left it out so as to not make mention of that...