For anyone that doesn't know: The Ancient Healers were (theorized to have been) created by infesting and subsuming Orokin Lorists, a caste of Orokin who had Lora Devices implanted into their left hands, along with a number of complementary technological augmentations. They would then use these devices to heal higher caste members' minor physical imperfections and injuries. Other castes of Orokin that we know of include: Executor: a lawmaker and the highest caste an Orokin may possibly be. Judge, jury and executioner in one. Ballas was one of these. Sectarus: shipmasters, pilots and captains. Enginus: unknown role, but form the way they're talked about in lore likely relatively low-ranking.
Sort of. Orokin specifically refers to only the absolute highest leadership. The word is commonly used to refer to what appear to be the intellectual elite of the empire in a general way, but it's true meaning was only for the leaders themselves. Of course, it could be that everyone referred to anyone above them as "Orokin".
In the "Glast Gambit" Quest we hear of a thing called the "triuna" that gets passed down from Child to Child, it is some kind of link with the infestation that keeps the infested at bay from the Myconian Colonies. Children with superpowers that can BEND THE WILL OF INFESTED or at least keep them away, MMHHHHH, however in the sacrifice we hear that the tenno can handle warframes by "taking away its pain" and then fully control them, the triuna on the other hand keeps the infested away to some extend but no signs of full control. Prototype Transference maybe? To your question: If ALL other factions are gone then there really is no need for the Warframes to remain, the Tenno still can become the warriors they thought they were from the second dream. Cant wait for heart of deimos ;-)
The Triuna was adapted from Nidus, but it also killed the children remarkably fast. It's explained in the Glast Gambit that the Infested avoided places with a lot of the Triuna's presence because they "fear hybrids" for some reason, implying the infection with a tiny pinprick of the Helminth strain, while it kills them, also makes them partially infested. Enough for the hivemind to not think it worth destroying them, or perhaps enough to trick the hivemind into believing the Myconians are infested yet keeping enough of their humanity.
Id guess transference acts more like giving the prime frames a mind in the first place instead of being cancer meat on mecha skelly while the infested/umbra case is us overwriting both memories that stuck around and influence of the hive mind (being PTSD therapy and shutting off social media of someone attention/love starved at once), while the position of Triuna seems more like a fungal carrier/brain interacting with the rest of the funal roots/nervous system suppressing spreading/immune system activity and a proto-version of what Arlo is/was, only the strain is too strong or mutated too heavily when attaching itself and instead of having time to make a mass infection it kills the host while having its bait properties still active.
@@ANDELE3025 I agree regular and prime warframes are different from the umbral ones, the umbral ones were the first prototype and a failure. These frames have a mind of their own when no one is in control of them, since they still retained some of their consiousness, albeit severly limited version of it. The umbras need a tenno to ease their pain, whereas I am assuming the normal frames and primes are far more artifical, more akin to golems with no mind or life of their own. This is evidenced by the fact that excalibur umbra can still move and attack without you and any other frame whether in be prime or a normal kind, cannot move or attack without you. In other words the umbras are "failed" prototypes corrupted and turned insane via the infested hivemind, things that were once human, whereas the other frames are not.
The Ancient Healer lore provided by Simaris in his console actually states that the Healer is based on an Orokin with psychic healing powers. It's also why the Ancients tend to have one really long arm-tentacle thing.
It also poses the questions of when your operator says “We need to purge this place, as we did in the old days.” “I remember these monsters from long ago.” “We are immune to the infestation but they still try to kill us.” What key factors are we unaware of?
Maybe the infested Feell that the warframes are controled by the tenno, and try to cleanse them, which could explain the rogue chroma frame. Or the different infested strains act like different hives that are hostile to another, and see the warframes as an invading hive.
@@jongleske7392 The warframes themselves are a very specific strain of infested, one that is more innoucous and nuetral with no real conciousness themselves outside, umbral frames and the Helminth itself, one that is controllable and subservient. The Umbra warframes failed because the humans within them still retained too much of their conciousness they were still "alive," making them go rogue, hence why Ballas deems them as a failure. The Newer warframes, primes and regular frames, Mk.2 and Mk.3 shall we say, are either completely artificial which is highly likely or use some form of "dead" human as a basis. All of that said, yes I agree haha. The infestation's point of view they probably feel the warframes are some form of "abomination" an "unnatural" being, a taboo, a hybrid that should not be possible. Something that needs to be cleansed or forcefully melded with to try turn them back into a "regular" form of infestation, to be in control of by the hive mind. Probably cause the warframes and the tenno themselves are the only real threat to their existence. Rather funny when you think about cause from everyone else's point of view they are the monsters and abominations.
Allicon #25 it’s at most a spiritual predecessor, but nevertheless it has some echoes still in the lore, such as the idea of an original Infested outbreak that took place before the Collapse, likely on Earth, since both Saryn Prime and Silver Grove suggest that Earth’s infestation predates that of the Helminth strain - Ballas’s dialogue in Sacrifice also suggests that the Helminth was seen as a more controllable version of an older strain: “We were forced to older means. Not circuits, nor light...but flesh and disease. Our horrors past, our ravaged outer colonies... became gardens! We cultured the Infestation, conceiving of a hybrid...Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought.” Given how Ballas talks about humanity ruining Earth, it’s likely there was some sort of original Infestation on Earth.
@@TheKPhillip I never said that the outbreak did not start on Earth. I said that it was not the outbreak from dark sector, which is set during the cold war.
I'm just glad they gave us a date, it's this month, and it's coming to all platforms at once, myself being an xbox pleb... I'd rather be playing it right now, but... I'll take it, especially considering we just got the deadlock protocol...
@@naranciacake5780 Im all for a good story/ gameplay, but it's literally just another "island" type update that we'll forget a couple months down the line.
the heart of deimos proves that like A LOT if the warframes destroy the infested they go to only your puny tenno will be there i cat wait for the heart of deimos and i even bought limbo tennogen for this and nidus tennogen and more tennogen cosmetics but im hyped VERY HIPED i love your vids and philosophy behind them
Yeah, I have to admit, when I was writing the script for this, I didn't think it would work so well with what was revealed today. And I like it! Thank you, btw!!!
oh crap you replied me thanks i didnt think it would fit this well to cause i was like a vid this early but the void helped May the for... i mean void be with you
I feel the Tenno could destroy the infected since you could have most of them put into a sleep like at the beginning. Safe from the strain, a few specially selected individuals could spread it destroying both the infested and themselves, while keeping their main power intact.
or option B the infested we fight are not tied to helmith. the "grey strain" is the old infestation. what they used to create the "gardens" in a bid to make an army. infested became uncontrolable and almost mindless. turning into a devouring swarm / Driven assimilators. the Helmith strain is more... stable at the cost of being FAR less virulent and requiring a live host human (as Alad V proved the mutalist strain allows it to assimilate mechines even warframes: mesa) given this it stands to reason you could nuke the Infested by engenering a Anti-body that eats the grey strain and the mutulist strain while ignoring the Helmith (like a synthetic bacteriophage)
It could be that the kiva in the orokins could have amplified certain natural genetic mutations causing them to become such good candidates for becoming Warframes
I say that's not a no, lol... And yes, I noticed the names of the entities in this system match with the requiems we use for the kuva liches... Can't wait to see how that all works out...
The origin of Teknocyte comes from Dark Sector. Silvana applied it. It is what caused the humans to have to be cloned, becoming grineer and intelligent ones becoming corpus. The Orokin were those who descended from the Oro. oro-kin. They were immune, but the sentients turned this “disease turned bioweapon” against them.
There is of course the bigger question, what if all life in the origin system already contains some degree of infested nanocytes, in small enough but vital enough quantities if they weren't there, they would die. Also, what other technologies are based on them? Could the grineer cloning? and I'm thinking of the tribe in the Nidus quest
The tribe in the Nidus quest would have to die as well, and yes, the vegetation and some animal life from the entirety of the system. It's kinda like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
@@TheDsIEGE Sounds like a bit of a paradox - The technocyte is an existential threat that the system can't live without. It may have to die to live again.
Something that makes me think A LOT about the future of Warframe, is that, well, Ballas already said it, that, While Corpus, Grineer and Tenno keep fighting, against each other, the Sentients are advancing towards the Origin System, implying that the right thing to do would be to "join forces" with all factions. What I would like to understand is if there is a "Sentient Brain" or a core for all the sentient behavior, and if it is possible for the Tenno to destroy or even control it, maybe using some sort of transference or who knows, turning its behavior olny against the Sentients. It would be amazing to imagine Huge grineer/Corpus spaceships fighting alongside some kind of huge Infested behemoth abomination against the Sentients.
I think that while you're pretty much right, i think the infestation goes very well BEYOND just the Warframes and practically includes anything and everything built in the System. Whether it was something "crafted" (vomited/excreted) from a strain like the Helminth or something they learned/figured out from the far OLDER form of infestation, it doesn't matter too much. But i am at this point 99% sure of and CONVINCED of the fact that all of the technology and infrastructure and pretty damn near everything came from some knowledge or understanding of the Infestation.
that old orokin tower in cetus provide endless supply of sustenance for the ostrons... whenever you land on cetus there is a group cutting a piece of "meat?" from a wall, and they say that the tower simply regrows cut sections... wouldnt be suprised if the orokin learned how to actually control the technology and basicaly everything orokin related in the system has some form or variant of the virus in it.
the main reason the infestation was considered a lesser threat than the sentients was because it couldn't infest void beings ie: the orokin, the tenno, or anyone with void exposure (like the corrupted) so we could stash all of the pets, helminths and warframes in there and cleanse the system of anny infested we don't want
Halo: bastion, the ark, the halos themselves, things on these installations still survived including the flood specimens AND the "food" the halos targeted. They survived because they were properly shielded from the Halos. GoW: the "Imulsion countermeasure weapon" (I usually just called "The Hammer of Dusk") wasn't 100% effective, some locust still survived, though only in very small numbers. Both of these show ways in which the warframes could survive the extermination of the infested. Or you could choose to go planet scale for the weapon, and evacuate the planet of all warframes before you use it, then after it fires you send the time now in their warframes back on to that planet to continue keeping a piece and clear up any stragglers, then you move on to the next planet rinse and repeat. Also, nothing about theinfested says anyting about the inability to kill them all conventionally than the fact that they're still Grineer in the system says we'll never get rid of the Grineer.
This is especially interesting when you introduce the Heart of Deimos. They’ve made it clear this os the source of the Tenno power, but what if the same heart beats for both the tenno and the infested. If the heart stops beating, the infested die, but we have to bear the burden of keeping it beating, keeping the infested alive in order to continue fighting the other dangers of the system.
I like to think of the infested as a biomechanical version of the flood. I never really knew there was lore about the infested anyways. I know we'll get more in the next update!
Thanks for the video! To answer your question, I have always found the Tenno's role in the system dubious. While they SEEM to act with honest intentions "for the greater good", I can't just trust that. It seems more they're maintaining a careful balance to keep each faction in check. They don't act towards eradicating any factions, nor do they align themselves completely with any force to empower it. There is no clear motivation for almost all of the missions we do, we just do them because we were told to. This clueless attitude and ambiguity towards the Tenno's goal could be taken as intentional, the player being left as much in the dark as the children they control. But I digress. My point is, whoever controls our actions may not find it in their (plural because I quite like your theories on the seven) best interest to wholly eradicate the infested. Both the infested and the warframes have yet their roles to play in whatever game that's being played out IMO. But, if left wholly to the Tenno (me as the player), even then I doubt I would wipe out the infested along with the warframes. The Tenno seem to enjoy playing the role of being demigods, with the ability to move with out most freedom, and have entire armies at their mercy. The whole acting for the good thing seems secondary to them, a natural outlet for their power, but the sweetness of that power seems to take priority. At least that's what it seems to me. I doubt the Tenno would throw it away in a selfless move. As a sidenote, can't wait for Heart of Demios to come out. Honestly, the whole thing about the Entrati (however that's spelt) family got me hyped. I feel like this update will be huge, lore-wise.
The entrati is the reason for the power of tenno hmmm.... MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT NOW I will be waiting . i have been in this channel for sometime and love it
So the way I see it, the only option is to develop the Infesteds capacity to form pro social relationships as we might do with the warframes like with umbra. Or like when venom turned good. Like maybe somewhere you could integrate a capacity for empathy and ethics
"Evidence of a similar outbreak before the collapse" is just a Dark Sector reference. DE really likes playing the "did it/didn't it happen?" with Dark Sector.
I was actually thinking something similar earlier today about the superpowers the warframes posess. What if they had a similar situation to what was in the X-men comics - people developing superpowers, seemingly at random. I finally got around to playing the Sands of Inaros quest, and the idea of the Orokin abducting children kind of gave me a vibe similar to the Reach, as portrayed in the Young Justice: Invasion cartoon show, just less subtle. What if the guy that was turned to Volt originally could only shoot lightning out of his hands, but the infestation amplified his power, allowing him to create lightning barriers and accelerate himself and others. Maybe excalibur could only originally materialize a blade, but the Helminth allowed him to stabilize that blade for longer, as well as use the same energy to cast javelins or cause a blinding flash? That could explain why we have such varied warframes, instead of everyone having the same thing with a versatile kit (remember that it is pretty much established thet the warframes we use are copies of original warframes). They were not simply produced, and mixing and matching was not possible... Or so I thought, but now they announced the Helminth Crysalis XD.
I mean, it doesn't change where they come from. Maybe the process is "learned" within the technocyte and can be transferred. Like how Neo could learn kung fu in 30 seconds. I still think this is how it's done.
I used to think the origin gather all the most talented people beyond anyone whoever masters such skills. So small amount of warframe fits this, like Mesa, brouuk, valkyer umm I can't think haha but I like your idea. Make sense those unexplain abilities came from. That makes it very dark, I always wanted to see the before humans become a warframe.
Hey i've done some infeasted experiments with grendal and trinity with the infeasted and i think its possible to turn certain infested into healing salves and medicine but further experimentation and documenting is required
No lie the entire time you were talking about the infested I was thinking about the song "The Silent" and given the choice as messed up as it sounds I'd just coexist with the infested figure out a way to inoculate some races to be immune but allowing the infestation to exist as a whole, it didn't wish to be created but clearly as shown by the Helminth chargers the room and The Warframes especially Nidus that the infested have amazing benefits.
Man that creepy byeee... gets me everytime 🥶 it's like that but more on my back what i would do is endure the infested as much as possible there you go my answer
I think the best available option would be something I suspect the Orokin did the last time. That is isolate areas of infestation and then use something similar to the Cascade bomb to wipe out large if not all the infested in the isolated area, using the Tenno to mop up anything that survives the bombing. And then just systematically keep doing that till the Infested are no longer a problem. I think the only reason this hasn't happened is because the Grineer and Corpas are too busy fighting each other and no one faction has the manpower or resources to pull that off. One the only up sides of when the Orokin were in charge, they could get a large scale operation like that done. As it stands currently it's not likely to happen.
I have a correction. The loss of the mind within the warframe was an intentional design after the Umbra series backfired where they were intentionally left with a single memory of suffering to fuel the soldiers. The Tenno became the mind for the now empty warframes that followed after the Umbral series. Now if I can just ramble on for a bit, we have hints that warframes can gain a free will. I say this as we now know that a warframe can operate independently through the umbral series. And we have the Infested Chroma that we know nothing about outside of it being an infested unit and Lotus refuses to explain what was so important about killing the Chroma frame. Then there was the way Hunhow reacted to your personal frame that began to move independently of you when War was impaled in it and you were separated from it and in Stalker's hold. And then there is Nidus. We also know that the Infested recognise the warframe as an independent creature. Some asking it to let itself be consumed. J Golem asking the warframe to consume it. Even our personal infestation worships the warframe and fear the Tenno, as though it doesn't recognise the two as one and the same. Point is, we're seeing more evidence that warframes are prime examples of the infested near perfected. But we also know that the infestation and the warframe are the same thing just with different directives. If I remember my lore right, the infested virus was created by the Orokin to turn every race into loyal worshipping slaves. But whomever was in charge of the virus altered it. Problem is the alteration resulted in what we know. With that in mind there really isn't any difference between Warframe and Infested outside of the directives for the transformation, in my opinion. The Warframe were created through the virus to be empty vessels specifically for the Transference system. While the populous were suppose to be transformed into loving worshippers by the virus. In both cases the only simplified difference was how the mind was altered by the virus. The biggest issue I see however is what would a virus made to target the infestation look like, what would it target. My concern is that the virus itself would need to be flesh eating. But thanks to the mutalist strain created by Alid V we now know that the infested can consume, and possible be made from altered metals and alloys. We also don't know if the infested could consume and drastically modify the virus if it is in any way biological. We really don't know anything about the virus. For all we know, the virus could work. But it could end up being a bigger plague as the virus could end up killing any kind of biological creature if it was miss-made, sabotaged, or simply altered/evolved. After all at the end of the day the infested is just a huge pile of sentient biomass. But that's just me rambling about this and that, for all I know DE might retcon some of the lore I remember assuming they already haven't. Continue as you were.
I don't know why but that clip of baruuk without a complete set of his knives orbiting him kind of made me nuts. I mean, why the gaps?! Hit your 3, hit you god damned 3!
After tennocon (actually when new update is released, mind ya teaser offered some info) cant wait for more of your lore analysis, peace and stay safe ty for your work....
Wow, this was actually a video game moral conundrum that doesn't have an obvious best answer. The corpus and Grineer tend to enslave people, and those people can be freed, but the infestation seems much harder to free someone from. Alad V is the only one I can think of who's ever been cured of it. But of course, if you did wipe out the Technocyte you'd suddenly lose your best tool for fighting the Corpus and the Grineer and with it your best chance for defeating their lesser evils. And of course the weaker you make them, the less capable they are of defending themselves against the infestation, and the more people it absorbs. And that of course isn't even bringing the Sentient into it.
Love this. Love all of your content. Great questions posed as well. I’ve been writing fan fictions and your vids help me keep it cannon. Hope to get something published in the near future. Please keep up the good work.
I would do it. Peace always requires sacrifices to be made and ridding the system from this plaque is the right thing to do. It's what heroes (and the Tenno/Warframes are treated as such) do
hey remember that time DE added a continent/space station sized pulse bomb specifically designed for mass cleansing the infested? (or any other organic stuff while leaving inorganics unharmed) and then used it in 1 mission in 1 quest then completely forgot it ever existed
I want something like Infested - Sentient troop The main boss/ hive mind could be infested-sentient in nature as it can indeed think of itself and everything stemming out of it
The Void contains infested... No matter how many you cut down, theres always going to be the chance that one can pop out of the void and start the whole situation over again.
There is maybe a possibility to destroy the infested: The hive mind probably use the Void as a support for his mind|memory|nervous system. So there is maybe a way to strike the hive mind directly "in the Void". Problem: the more capable of this is probably The Man In The Wall.
But if the man in the wall and the hive mind are friends or something like that?
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@@luisgregoriopadilla9553 In this case, all others have already lost and just don't known yet. Because the Man In The Wall (TMITW) can spy using the tennos, probably have a vast knowledge about the void (and so transport and communication) and one, if not the one, most powerful army in the solar system (and probably can use the tennos themselves as strike force by manipulate some of them). I don't think this is the case, because it seems TMITW needs something from the tennos, and he doesn't seems to use the infested for now to obtain it. May be a Hive Mind is something to hard to manipulate compared to the mind of some children.
I bet the final act when De ever wants to conclude Warframe will be centered around this and it will boil down to the question if the Tenno are willing to save the whole universe but sacrifice the warframes for it and probably at the end the Tenno can find some alterative solution that still can for the moment save everything and the warframes don't have to be sacrificed otherwise De never could return to this IP. And i don't think De would want to ultimately close the door for a potential return to the IP for a later point.
Tenno are seen as a balance faction in the solar system, we keep the Corpus from exploiting the innocents and taking over orokin tech, just like the grineer and their kuva farming and planets occupation, we stop the infested from spreading in the other factions occupied planets. We keep rogue factions at bay and pleased by help them in their goals but we can easily switch sides towards balance in the system. So if you take the warframes away with the infestation it wouldn't bring any kind of peace besides temporary relief from the infestation spreading towards other planets. The other factions would tear each other apart regardless. Not to mention the sentients would be the ultimate faction, besides them being unable to reproduce they would probably find a way with Ballas to kink shame everyone and discover a new way to reproduce. Now with the warframes gone, that doesn't mean the tenno would be extinct just declawed. They would probably get some type of substitute or upgrades from the factions themselvs. They could still use most weapons besides the infested based ones they would still have k drives and void powers. So imo It wouldn´t change much.
I see the infested (regardless of they being "created") as a force of nature, relentless, unstoppable. There is no "will" or "purposes" other than consume and grow. We know the infested are connected, like a hive mind, and I now remember something from The Expanse (awesome show btw), there is this "protomolecule" (I'll be spoiling the show), that consumed metals, rocks, flesh, everything, and when it consumed and transformed Eros (an asteroid) and crashed on venus, it created an organic machine thing, that lead to a portal being created. Maybe the infested need to consume and transform a big amount of matter in order to do something? I just love the infested lore and no, I will not kill them!
I'd do it. For the greater good of the system we must sacrifice our frames. It's probably what they would have wanted anyway. Not like the tenno actually NEED them or anything, we can just use our void powers to take care of everything else.
In the quest the awakening in cutscene did anyone else notice the HUGE hand with the HUGE fingers they kinda looked like something from a rail Jack. When you're near it I can hear tapping sounds
i was going to say that the fact of crafting warframes confuses me but now i think i understand. maybe the original ones were infested humans, but now we can only assembly them by the precise blueprints.andt it also makes warframes separate enough from infestation. like if you craft a radio that uses the common frequency - it doesnt mean its a weapon of an ai that controls most of the tech
I wanna take option 3, possibility the hardest one, yet the one we often overlook: Coexistence. As some may have pointed out here, there is records of people being able to do so and the incoming Quest will be about helping a fragment of the Tecnocite virus that is capable of dialogue. So I wouldn't be surprised for politics to be an option. I also think it would be the most thematically appropriate choice. Why? Simple, we (the Tenno) have always being told what to do by Lotus, that something often being "whipe everyone on sight". Yet on the long run, how well did that went? Now, without Space Mom to tell us what to (kill) do, we have the option of doing something more, beyond just senseless killing. Specially important if its towards something most wouldn't even consider to have a mind to reason with, let alone reach a peaceful conclusion.
Nah. The infested can be reasoned with (as shown with Helminth and Mother in the Heart of Deimos) and it would be possible to actually recreate society with them still around. Plus, they are one of the few factions that can stand up to the Sentients and not get utterly annihilated. The only problem is that the infested want to go after corpus, grineer, and other fleshies before they take over robotics. Personally, I wouldn't eradicate them because it seems like, to a degree, they can be controlled, reasoned with, and inevitably, stopped by logic becoming more moral. It reminds me of the Gravemind from Halo. It was able to plan and reason, even if they did eventually 'betray' us.
I do feel like possibly, let's say the tenno, team up with the corpus, the corpus could design battle armor based on our AMP's that would be able to take a hit and since the tenno are lore wise incredibly powerful. Since 6-8 tenno together killed Eras. We could still fight on without our beloved frames. It's kinda like those shows with magic where in the end they decide to destroy all magic for it's potential for evil thus we become more technological and eventually hiroshima. If you get my drift.
Probably wouldn't effect the tenno too much as the virus is referenced in the initial creation of the warframes, which we know are umbra, not the standard mass produced lifeless metal puppets we usually command. So i guess then the question would be if we were willing to risk losing our umbra frames, with their own personalities and qwerks, in order to defeat the infested once and for all. Which is itself dependent on if the helminth virus isn't different enough to save them from the cure. Of course this would present larger implications for the system as a whole as many blueprints for weapons and frames require many materials which are described in the lore as coming from the infested, wither as a byproduct of its functions or some cultivated crop from its growth. like mutagen samples, which are used for both frames and weapons. Along with many current railjack parts. Assuming the resources use extends into constructing other needed items of daily life, then destroying the infestation would probably rob the system of an irreplaceable necessity for its current functioning. Plus i'd have to wonder if the current forests re-terra-forming the earth had absolutely no relation to the infested strain at all, or if that would be destroyed too, assuming not even the helminth would be spared that is.
The Entrati mother mentioned, when speaking about her "dream", she said something about Him (?) "tapping" at the wall, or something (interesting choice of words isnt it?) Is there a chance, she was talking about the man in the wall? Not 100% sure in details, and not likely to replay the quest just for this, so i thought i could share if someone was interested
since the corpus, grineer and maybe other yet unknown factions exist, getting rid of all warframes along with JUST the infested seems like a net loss. Even without the infested getting involved, the origin system is always in turmoil. also, as you mentioned, we don't actually owe the system anything so to give up the only thing keeping everyone (and i mean everyone, friends included) from dissecting us to see if they can gain our abilities would be a massively dumb thing to do. Unless we get to the point where we can do 4 hour survivals with just the operator...........what reason would we have to give up the only thing keeping us safe?
I would sacrifice my warframes. In theory. Of course it will not happen because imagine the lawsuits haha. But if I could trade my warframes ability to participate in later lore content in exchange for empowering my operator further, maybe going with some sort of powered armor , weapons ect, id be willing to explore the possibilities there. I have recently gotten into really exploring the operator weapon systems, so much potential...
I feel like it would depend on which morality the Tenno mainly walked in; if its Sun, they would absolutely destroy the infected. The other two? I think they would at least see if they could control or work alongside the infected, and then go from there.
What if we will actually need to "erradicate" frames, in the duviri paradox teaser, it was seeing the operator leaving the warframe and making it unnacessible, so..
First the protea quest makes me question warframe and now this Which is saying either get rid of everything that we know as warframes or let the infested rule the cosmos I need time to think about all of this
have you seen the movie "The last girl"? it's a zombie type film, and the same question is asked, the children are the only ones who can keep their humanity and have a normal life except if they smell uninfected humans while being hungry, they'll eat them but what would happend when there's no uninfected humans anymore? they can still eat normal food and have a normal life, cause they, and the spores, developed a symbiosis relationship. what the girl does is that she says that this world is for the new generation and ignites the huge plant that contains the spores, allowing them to be released and infect the whole world over time. the tenno, not fiighting the infested anymore, would be kinda similar, except that the infested will still try to kill them since they can't contamine them
Dude can't wait for your 'lore" video about tennocon stuff, so much shit to go thrue. Oh and plz tell us your idea with the chair and giving abilitys how it could affect the story like what if any facton, god forbide sentients, get ahold of something like that ??
What if one of the faction could make or modify transference bolts (reference "The Sacrifice") for an especially strong/ intelligent/ or complex cephalon to control individual infested forms like pieces on a game board? But that raises the question of if that introduces that cephalon to the infested hivemind and corrupt it? Maybe that would cause the cephalon to be just another form under infested control, allow the infested to control the ship systems, lock everything down, launch empty escape pod and dive that ship ,or fleet, into infested hives like eris, deimos or a rotting derelict ship?
You pose an interesting theory, for one to understand the question we must understand the infested and so far the general idea of them, is that they dont care about the on going war between corpus and grineer, the rise of sentients, the lesser infested are mindless drones who care nothing but harvesting and killing, but then you got the higher infested who have hive minds, which is curious, because so far we havent comprehend what they're real goal is, some say to expand, to conquer, i mean overall survival, in the end, dont we all wish that upon our race, tenno, corpus, grineer, even sentients? Now about sacrifice...i wouldnt, and here's why, i believe, infested and tenno have a symbiotic relationship, they need us, as much as we need them, they represent chaos, and tenno represent order, some say tenno are the bad guys...i dont believe so, evolution requires sacrifice sometimes, take the example of Alad V...he gave up his humanity, to understand infested, but at what cost...but you forgot one major player here...."the man in the high tower" possibly one of the orokin people, what does he think of all this, will he do anything? is he just watching all parties to see who's worthy...simply playing god?
I would choose to destroy the infestation if the option was given, that for sure. Destroy everything except for what's strictly essential IF it's possible to keep it contained (avoid the Infested room from affecting and spreading trough its sorroundings, render neuter whatever you create from it etc...).
Think about this, we team up with the sentients and make all the frames more sentient of material than infested maybe giving us more powers in the end and with the sentients help we end the infestation and at the least likely moment the sentients backstab and "kill" one of our warframes most likely umbra
In a sense if the tenno truly want to bring peace to the system we should be helping the infested. After all the infested are the only faction without any internal conflict, well maybe the corrupted but they're more limited than the infested. Sure the infested are violent to all other factions but there is peace within the hive mind, and in my opinion the infested are the only faction that would keep the peace after eliminating all the other factions.
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Who else here right after tennolive
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I am!
not quite but yes
For anyone that doesn't know: The Ancient Healers were (theorized to have been) created by infesting and subsuming Orokin Lorists, a caste of Orokin who had Lora Devices implanted into their left hands, along with a number of complementary technological augmentations. They would then use these devices to heal higher caste members' minor physical imperfections and injuries.
Other castes of Orokin that we know of include:
Executor: a lawmaker and the highest caste an Orokin may possibly be. Judge, jury and executioner in one. Ballas was one of these.
Sectarus: shipmasters, pilots and captains.
Enginus: unknown role, but form the way they're talked about in lore likely relatively low-ranking.
What about Archimedians, like Margulis and Silvana?
The Enginus may have been mechanics or something similar, based on the name, but then again it could be something very different for all I know
Sort of. Orokin specifically refers to only the absolute highest leadership. The word is commonly used to refer to what appear to be the intellectual elite of the empire in a general way, but it's true meaning was only for the leaders themselves. Of course, it could be that everyone referred to anyone above them as "Orokin".
In the "Glast Gambit" Quest we hear of a thing called the "triuna" that gets passed down from Child to Child, it is some kind of link with the infestation that keeps the infested at bay from the Myconian Colonies. Children with superpowers that can BEND THE WILL OF INFESTED or at least keep them away, MMHHHHH, however in the sacrifice we hear that the tenno can handle warframes by "taking away its pain" and then fully control them, the triuna on the other hand keeps the infested away to some extend but no signs of full control. Prototype Transference maybe?
To your question: If ALL other factions are gone then there really is no need for the Warframes to remain, the Tenno still can become the warriors they thought they were from the second dream. Cant wait for heart of deimos ;-)
The Triuna was adapted from Nidus, but it also killed the children remarkably fast. It's explained in the Glast Gambit that the Infested avoided places with a lot of the Triuna's presence because they "fear hybrids" for some reason, implying the infection with a tiny pinprick of the Helminth strain, while it kills them, also makes them partially infested. Enough for the hivemind to not think it worth destroying them, or perhaps enough to trick the hivemind into believing the Myconians are infested yet keeping enough of their humanity.
@@frostblood2927 thx, wasnt sure if i got it right XD
Id guess transference acts more like giving the prime frames a mind in the first place instead of being cancer meat on mecha skelly while the infested/umbra case is us overwriting both memories that stuck around and influence of the hive mind (being PTSD therapy and shutting off social media of someone attention/love starved at once), while the position of Triuna seems more like a fungal carrier/brain interacting with the rest of the funal roots/nervous system suppressing spreading/immune system activity and a proto-version of what Arlo is/was, only the strain is too strong or mutated too heavily when attaching itself and instead of having time to make a mass infection it kills the host while having its bait properties still active.
@@ANDELE3025 I agree regular and prime warframes are different from the umbral ones, the umbral ones were the first prototype and a failure. These frames have a mind of their own when no one is in control of them, since they still retained some of their consiousness, albeit severly limited version of it. The umbras need a tenno to ease their pain, whereas I am assuming the normal frames and primes are far more artifical, more akin to golems with no mind or life of their own. This is evidenced by the fact that excalibur umbra can still move and attack without you and any other frame whether in be prime or a normal kind, cannot move or attack without you. In other words the umbras are "failed" prototypes corrupted and turned insane via the infested hivemind, things that were once human, whereas the other frames are not.
The Ancient Healer lore provided by Simaris in his console actually states that the Healer is based on an Orokin with psychic healing powers. It's also why the Ancients tend to have one really long arm-tentacle thing.
It also poses the questions of when your operator says “We need to purge this place, as we did in the old days.”
“I remember these monsters from long ago.” “We are immune to the infestation but they still try to kill us.”
What key factors are we unaware of?
Very nice catch!
Maybe the infested Feell that the warframes are controled by the tenno, and try to cleanse them, which could explain the rogue chroma frame. Or the different infested strains act like different hives that are hostile to another, and see the warframes as an invading hive.
@@jongleske7392 The warframes themselves are a very specific strain of infested, one that is more innoucous and nuetral with no real conciousness themselves outside, umbral frames and the Helminth itself, one that is controllable and subservient. The Umbra warframes failed because the humans within them still retained too much of their conciousness they were still "alive," making them go rogue, hence why Ballas deems them as a failure. The Newer warframes, primes and regular frames, Mk.2 and Mk.3 shall we say, are either completely artificial which is highly likely or use some form of "dead" human as a basis.
All of that said, yes I agree haha. The infestation's point of view they probably feel the warframes are some form of "abomination" an "unnatural" being, a taboo, a hybrid that should not be possible. Something that needs to be cleansed or forcefully melded with to try turn them back into a "regular" form of infestation, to be in control of by the hive mind. Probably cause the warframes and the tenno themselves are the only real threat to their existence.
Rather funny when you think about cause from everyone else's point of view they are the monsters and abominations.
Jon Gleske I don’t accually think the rough chroma was infested because it’s the sentient mothers voice you hear coming from it
Perfect timing. Tennocon and reveal of infestedt plant
I know... Even what I propose in the vid has been confirmed in a matter of speaking. Wasn't expecting that.
Infested orokin
Still waitin for my hydriod prime here
That is a great Vegeta fashion frame
Why thank you! I wore it to tennocon today!!!
"Historical evidence of a similar outbreak before the Collapse" is referencing the events in Dark Sector, the first technocyte outbreak.
i always knew warframe was in a way a sequel to dark sector
That game is non canon to warframe.
@@noahking5493 ya ya
Allicon #25 it’s at most a spiritual predecessor, but nevertheless it has some echoes still in the lore, such as the idea of an original Infested outbreak that took place before the Collapse, likely on Earth, since both Saryn Prime and Silver Grove suggest that Earth’s infestation predates that of the Helminth strain - Ballas’s dialogue in Sacrifice also suggests that the Helminth was seen as a more controllable version of an older strain: “We were forced to older means. Not circuits, nor light...but flesh and disease. Our horrors past, our ravaged outer colonies... became gardens! We cultured the Infestation, conceiving of a hybrid...Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought.” Given how Ballas talks about humanity ruining Earth, it’s likely there was some sort of original Infestation on Earth.
@@TheKPhillip I never said that the outbreak did not start on Earth. I said that it was not the outbreak from dark sector, which is set during the cold war.
I'm currently watching the stream, 6:09pm here
It's awesome, can't wait for more lore videos
this is PHENOMENAL BEYOND ASTONISHING
Me too, I just wanted to have this ready for all the tenno when tennocon let out, lol!
@@TheDsIEGE niice
god i wish it was a same-day delivery kind of deal, but thats just asking too much of them
I'm just glad they gave us a date, it's this month, and it's coming to all platforms at once, myself being an xbox pleb... I'd rather be playing it right now, but... I'll take it, especially considering we just got the deadlock protocol...
Remember what happened last time they did this
"Railjack"
Railjack....
but this one actually looks good, and has some damn good potential
@@naranciacake5780 Im all for a good story/ gameplay, but it's literally just another "island" type update that we'll forget a couple months down the line.
the heart of deimos proves that like
A LOT
if the warframes destroy the infested they go to only your puny tenno will be there
i cat wait for the heart of deimos and
i even bought limbo tennogen for this and nidus tennogen and more tennogen cosmetics
but im hyped VERY HIPED
i love your vids and philosophy behind them
Yeah, I have to admit, when I was writing the script for this, I didn't think it would work so well with what was revealed today. And I like it! Thank you, btw!!!
oh crap you replied me thanks
i didnt think it would fit this well to cause i was like a vid this early
but the void helped
May the for... i mean void be with you
I feel the Tenno could destroy the infected since you could have most of them put into a sleep like at the beginning. Safe from the strain, a few specially selected individuals could spread it destroying both the infested and themselves, while keeping their main power intact.
or option B the infested we fight are not tied to helmith. the "grey strain" is the old infestation. what they used to create the "gardens" in a bid to make an army. infested became uncontrolable and almost mindless. turning into a devouring swarm / Driven assimilators.
the Helmith strain is more... stable at the cost of being FAR less virulent and requiring a live host human (as Alad V proved the mutalist strain allows it to assimilate mechines even warframes: mesa)
given this it stands to reason you could nuke the Infested by engenering a Anti-body that eats the grey strain and the mutulist strain while ignoring the Helmith (like a synthetic bacteriophage)
It could be that the kiva in the orokins could have amplified certain natural genetic mutations causing them to become such good candidates for becoming Warframes
Remember that time I told you about sacrificing a frame to use it's ability?
I do... I still think you work for DE in some way tho, so that's not surprising, lol...
@@TheDsIEGE well I'm not in the liberty to say otherwise...
Theirs this so call Requiem
8 of them not 7
What say you?
I say that's not a no, lol... And yes, I noticed the names of the entities in this system match with the requiems we use for the kuva liches... Can't wait to see how that all works out...
@@TheDsIEGE and I'm waiting to see what you come out from the "other side"... Lol
Swazdo-lah brother
Stay warm
The origin of Teknocyte comes from Dark Sector. Silvana applied it. It is what caused the humans to have to be cloned, becoming grineer and intelligent ones becoming corpus. The Orokin were those who descended from the Oro. oro-kin. They were immune, but the sentients turned this “disease turned bioweapon” against them.
"What did the system do for you?" - really good question, strange I haven't thought of it till now.
There is of course the bigger question, what if all life in the origin system already contains some degree of infested nanocytes, in small enough but vital enough quantities if they weren't there, they would die.
Also, what other technologies are based on them? Could the grineer cloning? and I'm thinking of the tribe in the Nidus quest
The tribe in the Nidus quest would have to die as well, and yes, the vegetation and some animal life from the entirety of the system. It's kinda like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
@@TheDsIEGE Sounds like a bit of a paradox - The technocyte is an existential threat that the system can't live without. It may have to die to live again.
Something that makes me think A LOT about the future of Warframe, is that, well, Ballas already said it, that, While Corpus, Grineer and Tenno keep fighting, against each other, the Sentients are advancing towards the Origin System, implying that the right thing to do would be to "join forces" with all factions. What I would like to understand is if there is a "Sentient Brain" or a core for all the sentient behavior, and if it is possible for the Tenno to destroy or even control it, maybe using some sort of transference or who knows, turning its behavior olny against the Sentients. It would be amazing to imagine Huge grineer/Corpus spaceships fighting alongside some kind of huge Infested behemoth abomination against the Sentients.
Ho boy!
All vs sentients!
I think that while you're pretty much right, i think the infestation goes very well BEYOND just the Warframes and practically includes anything and everything built in the System. Whether it was something "crafted" (vomited/excreted) from a strain like the Helminth or something they learned/figured out from the far OLDER form of infestation, it doesn't matter too much. But i am at this point 99% sure of and CONVINCED of the fact that all of the technology and infrastructure and pretty damn near everything came from some knowledge or understanding of the Infestation.
that old orokin tower in cetus provide endless supply of sustenance for the ostrons... whenever you land on cetus there is a group cutting a piece of "meat?" from a wall, and they say that the tower simply regrows cut sections... wouldnt be suprised if the orokin learned how to actually control the technology and basicaly everything orokin related in the system has some form or variant of the virus in it.
What if the hemint is separate from other infested as the hemint dogs still can be controlled
I think that's exactly what he is. A synthesized mind, made by the orokin.
Helmith my new best friend :)
Me too, I can't wait for it to sing showtunes to me as well!!!
the main reason the infestation was considered a lesser threat than the sentients was because it couldn't infest void beings ie: the orokin, the tenno, or anyone with void exposure (like the corrupted) so we could stash all of the pets, helminths and warframes in there and cleanse the system of anny infested we don't want
Halo: bastion, the ark, the halos themselves, things on these installations still survived including the flood specimens AND the "food" the halos targeted. They survived because they were properly shielded from the Halos.
GoW: the "Imulsion countermeasure weapon" (I usually just called "The Hammer of Dusk") wasn't 100% effective, some locust still survived, though only in very small numbers.
Both of these show ways in which the warframes could survive the extermination of the infested.
Or you could choose to go planet scale for the weapon, and evacuate the planet of all warframes before you use it, then after it fires you send the time now in their warframes back on to that planet to continue keeping a piece and clear up any stragglers, then you move on to the next planet rinse and repeat.
Also, nothing about theinfested says anyting about the inability to kill them all conventionally than the fact that they're still Grineer in the system says we'll never get rid of the Grineer.
This is especially interesting when you introduce the Heart of Deimos. They’ve made it clear this os the source of the Tenno power, but what if the same heart beats for both the tenno and the infested. If the heart stops beating, the infested die, but we have to bear the burden of keeping it beating, keeping the infested alive in order to continue fighting the other dangers of the system.
Now you get scared even more from harrow
For the second time I see your thinking to be confirmed in game, that says a lot
Don't Forget about Nidus, he was Technically the first Warframe... And also has some sort of Connection with the Helminth.
I like to think of the infested as a biomechanical version of the flood. I never really knew there was lore about the infested anyways. I know we'll get more in the next update!
I was waiting for this
I wanted it to be ready for right after the stream.... Looks like they are running over, lol...
@@TheDsIEGE also what do you think if that new frame they showed off zaku?
I would have rather it had something to do with ordis, but it looked very cool, regardless!
Thanks for the video! To answer your question, I have always found the Tenno's role in the system dubious. While they SEEM to act with honest intentions "for the greater good", I can't just trust that. It seems more they're maintaining a careful balance to keep each faction in check. They don't act towards eradicating any factions, nor do they align themselves completely with any force to empower it.
There is no clear motivation for almost all of the missions we do, we just do them because we were told to. This clueless attitude and ambiguity towards the Tenno's goal could be taken as intentional, the player being left as much in the dark as the children they control. But I digress. My point is, whoever controls our actions may not find it in their (plural because I quite like your theories on the seven) best interest to wholly eradicate the infested. Both the infested and the warframes have yet their roles to play in whatever game that's being played out IMO.
But, if left wholly to the Tenno (me as the player), even then I doubt I would wipe out the infested along with the warframes. The Tenno seem to enjoy playing the role of being demigods, with the ability to move with out most freedom, and have entire armies at their mercy. The whole acting for the good thing seems secondary to them, a natural outlet for their power, but the sweetness of that power seems to take priority. At least that's what it seems to me. I doubt the Tenno would throw it away in a selfless move.
As a sidenote, can't wait for Heart of Demios to come out. Honestly, the whole thing about the Entrati (however that's spelt) family got me hyped. I feel like this update will be huge, lore-wise.
7:02 i think they were saying in the tennolive thing that if the heart of deimos stops beating all infestation dies
The entrati is the reason for the power of tenno hmmm.... MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT NOW I will be waiting . i have been in this channel for sometime and love it
I need the quest first! But I promise, when it's out, I'll be covering it! And thank you for your continued support, btw!
So the way I see it, the only option is to develop the Infesteds capacity to form pro social relationships as we might do with the warframes like with umbra. Or like when venom turned good. Like maybe somewhere you could integrate a capacity for empathy and ethics
"Evidence of a similar outbreak before the collapse" is just a Dark Sector reference.
DE really likes playing the "did it/didn't it happen?" with Dark Sector.
I was actually thinking something similar earlier today about the superpowers the warframes posess. What if they had a similar situation to what was in the X-men comics - people developing superpowers, seemingly at random.
I finally got around to playing the Sands of Inaros quest, and the idea of the Orokin abducting children kind of gave me a vibe similar to the Reach, as portrayed in the Young Justice: Invasion cartoon show, just less subtle. What if the guy that was turned to Volt originally could only shoot lightning out of his hands, but the infestation amplified his power, allowing him to create lightning barriers and accelerate himself and others. Maybe excalibur could only originally materialize a blade, but the Helminth allowed him to stabilize that blade for longer, as well as use the same energy to cast javelins or cause a blinding flash?
That could explain why we have such varied warframes, instead of everyone having the same thing with a versatile kit (remember that it is pretty much established thet the warframes we use are copies of original warframes). They were not simply produced, and mixing and matching was not possible... Or so I thought, but now they announced the Helminth Crysalis XD.
I mean, it doesn't change where they come from. Maybe the process is "learned" within the technocyte and can be transferred. Like how Neo could learn kung fu in 30 seconds. I still think this is how it's done.
I used to think the origin gather all the most talented people beyond anyone whoever masters such skills.
So small amount of warframe fits this, like Mesa, brouuk, valkyer umm I can't think haha but I like your idea. Make sense those unexplain abilities came from.
That makes it very dark, I always wanted to see the before humans become a warframe.
Wanna hear your thoughts about the TennoCon reveals.
Imagine all the -damage to infested rivens that would have to be rerolled.
Hey i've done some infeasted experiments with grendal and trinity with the infeasted and i think its possible to turn certain infested into healing salves and medicine but further experimentation and documenting is required
Who else is playin this when it comes out with a bud
Frames are kinda like nukes in our world, a deterrent. Take it away and everyone will make big move on the other.
Still waiting for infested "liches" for special infested weapons to match my infested ship and warframe aesthetic.
No lie the entire time you were talking about the infested I was thinking about the song "The Silent" and given the choice as messed up as it sounds I'd just coexist with the infested figure out a way to inoculate some races to be immune but allowing the infestation to exist as a whole, it didn't wish to be created but clearly as shown by the Helminth chargers the room and The Warframes especially Nidus that the infested have amazing benefits.
Agreed. It's when the infestation is mishandled and used as a weapon that things go awry. But... that always seems to happen.
Man that creepy byeee... gets me everytime 🥶 it's like that but more on my back what i would do is endure the infested as much as possible there you go my answer
Dude talk about timing, perfect.
It's some... supplemental tennocon info, shall we say?
This is awesome!!! love your work!
Thank you! Happy Tennocon Day!
@@TheDsIEGE you too man :)
I think the best available option would be something I suspect the Orokin did the last time. That is isolate areas of infestation and then use something similar to the Cascade bomb to wipe out large if not all the infested in the isolated area, using the Tenno to mop up anything that survives the bombing. And then just systematically keep doing that till the Infested are no longer a problem. I think the only reason this hasn't happened is because the Grineer and Corpas are too busy fighting each other and no one faction has the manpower or resources to pull that off. One the only up sides of when the Orokin were in charge, they could get a large scale operation like that done. As it stands currently it's not likely to happen.
I have a correction. The loss of the mind within the warframe was an intentional design after the Umbra series backfired where they were intentionally left with a single memory of suffering to fuel the soldiers. The Tenno became the mind for the now empty warframes that followed after the Umbral series.
Now if I can just ramble on for a bit, we have hints that warframes can gain a free will. I say this as we now know that a warframe can operate independently through the umbral series.
And we have the Infested Chroma that we know nothing about outside of it being an infested unit and Lotus refuses to explain what was so important about killing the Chroma frame.
Then there was the way Hunhow reacted to your personal frame that began to move independently of you when War was impaled in it and you were separated from it and in Stalker's hold.
And then there is Nidus.
We also know that the Infested recognise the warframe as an independent creature. Some asking it to let itself be consumed. J Golem asking the warframe to consume it.
Even our personal infestation worships the warframe and fear the Tenno, as though it doesn't recognise the two as one and the same.
Point is, we're seeing more evidence that warframes are prime examples of the infested near perfected. But we also know that the infestation and the warframe are the same thing just with different directives.
If I remember my lore right, the infested virus was created by the Orokin to turn every race into loyal worshipping slaves. But whomever was in charge of the virus altered it. Problem is the alteration resulted in what we know. With that in mind there really isn't any difference between Warframe and Infested outside of the directives for the transformation, in my opinion.
The Warframe were created through the virus to be empty vessels specifically for the Transference system. While the populous were suppose to be transformed into loving worshippers by the virus.
In both cases the only simplified difference was how the mind was altered by the virus.
The biggest issue I see however is what would a virus made to target the infestation look like, what would it target. My concern is that the virus itself would need to be flesh eating. But thanks to the mutalist strain created by Alid V we now know that the infested can consume, and possible be made from altered metals and alloys.
We also don't know if the infested could consume and drastically modify the virus if it is in any way biological.
We really don't know anything about the virus. For all we know, the virus could work. But it could end up being a bigger plague as the virus could end up killing any kind of biological creature if it was miss-made, sabotaged, or simply altered/evolved. After all at the end of the day the infested is just a huge pile of sentient biomass.
But that's just me rambling about this and that, for all I know DE might retcon some of the lore I remember assuming they already haven't. Continue as you were.
I don't know why but that clip of baruuk without a complete set of his knives orbiting him kind of made me nuts. I mean, why the gaps?! Hit your 3, hit you god damned 3!
After tennocon (actually when new update is released, mind ya teaser offered some info) cant wait for more of your lore analysis, peace and stay safe ty for your work....
Wow, this was actually a video game moral conundrum that doesn't have an obvious best answer. The corpus and Grineer tend to enslave people, and those people can be freed, but the infestation seems much harder to free someone from. Alad V is the only one I can think of who's ever been cured of it. But of course, if you did wipe out the Technocyte you'd suddenly lose your best tool for fighting the Corpus and the Grineer and with it your best chance for defeating their lesser evils. And of course the weaker you make them, the less capable they are of defending themselves against the infestation, and the more people it absorbs. And that of course isn't even bringing the Sentient into it.
Love this. Love all of your content. Great questions posed as well. I’ve been writing fan fictions and your vids help me keep it cannon. Hope to get something published in the near future. Please keep up the good work.
Hey I just wanna say you’re doing a great job and your videos always get me to think and I always enjoy them please never stop making videos
I'm glad you enjoy them, and I will continue to do my best to put out fun and interesting content. That's my promise!
I would do it. Peace always requires sacrifices to be made and ridding the system from this plaque is the right thing to do.
It's what heroes (and the Tenno/Warframes are treated as such) do
Nidus approves of your philosophy answer infest everything and there won't be a problem. See infested fixes everything
hey remember that time DE added a continent/space station sized pulse bomb specifically designed for mass cleansing the infested? (or any other organic stuff while leaving inorganics unharmed)
and then used it in 1 mission in 1 quest
then completely forgot it ever existed
I want something like Infested - Sentient troop
The main boss/ hive mind could be infested-sentient in nature as it can indeed think of itself and everything stemming out of it
The Void contains infested... No matter how many you cut down, theres always going to be the chance that one can pop out of the void and start the whole situation over again.
You could say the whole game is infested... And I'll see myself out, lol...
not if we are thero adout it
Laughs in incendiary. Spaceships, flotilla fleets, and planetary bombardment.
The end of infestation would mean the end of my favorite weapons!! Synapse, Hima, Phage...
That shit cannot fly!!!
The timing on this lol
Couldn't have been better if I tried...
There is maybe a possibility to destroy the infested: The hive mind probably use the Void as a support for his mind|memory|nervous system. So there is maybe a way to strike the hive mind directly "in the Void". Problem: the more capable of this is probably The Man In The Wall.
But if the man in the wall and the hive mind are friends or something like that?
@@luisgregoriopadilla9553 In this case, all others have already lost and just don't known yet. Because the Man In The Wall (TMITW) can spy using the tennos, probably have a vast knowledge about the void (and so transport and communication) and one, if not the one, most powerful army in the solar system (and probably can use the tennos themselves as strike force by manipulate some of them).
I don't think this is the case, because it seems TMITW needs something from the tennos, and he doesn't seems to use the infested for now to obtain it. May be a Hive Mind is something to hard to manipulate compared to the mind of some children.
I bet the final act when De ever wants to conclude Warframe will be centered around this and it will boil down to the question if the Tenno are willing to save the whole universe but sacrifice the warframes for it and probably at the end the Tenno can find some alterative solution that still can for the moment save everything and the warframes don't have to be sacrificed otherwise De never could return to this IP. And i don't think De would want to ultimately close the door for a potential return to the IP for a later point.
"similar outbreak before The Collapse" I wonder if that could possibly pertain to the events of Warframe 1999
4:13 the man in the wall: there are no accidents
Speaking of the hellmouth considering it's on sentients and what we've learned it wouldn't let us do that very thing
Makes me think of the parable of a man who burns down his house because of a single ant.
Sadly, I would be that man. Bring on the big G word!
Tenno are seen as a balance faction in the solar system, we keep the Corpus from exploiting the innocents and taking over orokin tech, just like the grineer and their kuva farming and planets occupation, we stop the infested from spreading in the other factions occupied planets. We keep rogue factions at bay and pleased by help them in their goals but we can easily switch sides towards balance in the system. So if you take the warframes away with the infestation it wouldn't bring any kind of peace besides temporary relief from the infestation spreading towards other planets. The other factions would tear each other apart regardless. Not to mention the sentients would be the ultimate faction, besides them being unable to reproduce they would probably find a way with Ballas to kink shame everyone and discover a new way to reproduce. Now with the warframes gone, that doesn't mean the tenno would be extinct just declawed. They would probably get some type of substitute or upgrades from the factions themselvs. They could still use most weapons besides the infested based ones they would still have k drives and void powers. So imo It wouldn´t change much.
I see the infested (regardless of they being "created") as a force of nature, relentless, unstoppable. There is no "will" or "purposes" other than consume and grow.
We know the infested are connected, like a hive mind, and I now remember something from The Expanse (awesome show btw), there is this "protomolecule" (I'll be spoiling the show), that consumed metals, rocks, flesh, everything, and when it consumed and transformed Eros (an asteroid) and crashed on venus, it created an organic machine thing, that lead to a portal being created. Maybe the infested need to consume and transform a big amount of matter in order to do something? I just love the infested lore and no, I will not kill them!
I'd do it.
For the greater good of the system we must sacrifice our frames.
It's probably what they would have wanted anyway.
Not like the tenno actually NEED them or anything, we can just use our void powers to take care of everything else.
In the quest the awakening in cutscene did anyone else notice the HUGE hand with the HUGE fingers they kinda looked like something from a rail Jack. When you're near it I can hear tapping sounds
i was going to say that the fact of crafting warframes confuses me but now i think i understand. maybe the original ones were infested humans, but now we can only assembly them by the precise blueprints.andt it also makes warframes separate enough from infestation. like if you craft a radio that uses the common frequency - it doesnt mean its a weapon of an ai that controls most of the tech
I wanna take option 3, possibility the hardest one, yet the one we often overlook: Coexistence.
As some may have pointed out here, there is records of people being able to do so and the incoming Quest will be about helping a fragment of the Tecnocite virus that is capable of dialogue. So I wouldn't be surprised for politics to be an option.
I also think it would be the most thematically appropriate choice. Why? Simple, we (the Tenno) have always being told what to do by Lotus, that something often being "whipe everyone on sight". Yet on the long run, how well did that went?
Now, without Space Mom to tell us what to (kill) do, we have the option of doing something more, beyond just senseless killing. Specially important if its towards something most wouldn't even consider to have a mind to reason with, let alone reach a peaceful conclusion.
Infested and tenno vs sentient?
we go to the sentient system in gigantic purely infested ships?
@@luisgregoriopadilla9553 We are already piloting purely infested Humanoids, would move into something bigger be that surprising?
Sacrifice my warframes? There will still be foundry...
Like... Kill it all and then rebuild? Interesting...
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Nah. The infested can be reasoned with (as shown with Helminth and Mother in the Heart of Deimos) and it would be possible to actually recreate society with them still around. Plus, they are one of the few factions that can stand up to the Sentients and not get utterly annihilated. The only problem is that the infested want to go after corpus, grineer, and other fleshies before they take over robotics.
Personally, I wouldn't eradicate them because it seems like, to a degree, they can be controlled, reasoned with, and inevitably, stopped by logic becoming more moral. It reminds me of the Gravemind from Halo. It was able to plan and reason, even if they did eventually 'betray' us.
I do feel like possibly, let's say the tenno, team up with the corpus, the corpus could design battle armor based on our AMP's that would be able to take a hit and since the tenno are lore wise incredibly powerful. Since 6-8 tenno together killed Eras. We could still fight on without our beloved frames. It's kinda like those shows with magic where in the end they decide to destroy all magic for it's potential for evil thus we become more technological and eventually hiroshima. If you get my drift.
Probably wouldn't effect the tenno too much as the virus is referenced in the initial creation of the warframes, which we know are umbra, not the standard mass produced lifeless metal puppets we usually command.
So i guess then the question would be if we were willing to risk losing our umbra frames, with their own personalities and qwerks, in order to defeat the infested once and for all. Which is itself dependent on if the helminth virus isn't different enough to save them from the cure.
Of course this would present larger implications for the system as a whole as many blueprints for weapons and frames require many materials which are described in the lore as coming from the infested, wither as a byproduct of its functions or some cultivated crop from its growth.
like mutagen samples, which are used for both frames and weapons. Along with many current railjack parts.
Assuming the resources use extends into constructing other needed items of daily life, then destroying the infestation would probably rob the system of an irreplaceable necessity for its current functioning.
Plus i'd have to wonder if the current forests re-terra-forming the earth had absolutely no relation to the infested strain at all, or if that would be destroyed too, assuming not even the helminth would be spared that is.
The Entrati mother mentioned, when speaking about her "dream", she said something about Him (?) "tapping" at the wall, or something (interesting choice of words isnt it?) Is there a chance, she was talking about the man in the wall? Not 100% sure in details, and not likely to replay the quest just for this, so i thought i could share if someone was interested
since the corpus, grineer and maybe other yet unknown factions exist, getting rid of all warframes along with JUST the infested seems like a net loss. Even without the infested getting involved, the origin system is always in turmoil. also, as you mentioned, we don't actually owe the system anything so to give up the only thing keeping everyone (and i mean everyone, friends included) from dissecting us to see if they can gain our abilities would be a massively dumb thing to do. Unless we get to the point where we can do 4 hour survivals with just the operator...........what reason would we have to give up the only thing keeping us safe?
i thought this was gonna be a normal video, and now im questioning my existance in a video game
That's a really good question and dillemma.
My Tenno's sole concern is keeping Infested numbers under control. The grineer and corpies may come and go, but the goopy bois are forever.
I would sacrifice my warframes. In theory. Of course it will not happen because imagine the lawsuits haha. But if I could trade my warframes ability to participate in later lore content in exchange for empowering my operator further, maybe going with some sort of powered armor , weapons ect, id be willing to explore the possibilities there. I have recently gotten into really exploring the operator weapon systems, so much potential...
Omg that's why umbra is a melee frame cause he's one of the best fighters they had
Well, he was a Dax soldier that Ballas messed up because he discovered Ballas' plans.
I feel like it would depend on which morality the Tenno mainly walked in; if its Sun, they would absolutely destroy the infected. The other two? I think they would at least see if they could control or work alongside the infected, and then go from there.
What if we will actually need to "erradicate" frames, in the duviri paradox teaser, it was seeing the operator leaving the warframe and making it unnacessible, so..
First the protea quest makes me question warframe and now this
Which is saying either get rid of everything that we know as warframes or let the infested rule the cosmos
I need time to think about all of this
have you seen the movie "The last girl"? it's a zombie type film, and the same question is asked, the children are the only ones who can keep their humanity and have a normal life except if they smell uninfected humans while being hungry, they'll eat them
but what would happend when there's no uninfected humans anymore? they can still eat normal food and have a normal life, cause they, and the spores, developed a symbiosis relationship.
what the girl does is that she says that this world is for the new generation and ignites the huge plant that contains the spores, allowing them to be released and infect the whole world over time.
the tenno, not fiighting the infested anymore, would be kinda similar, except that the infested will still try to kill them since they can't contamine them
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Dude can't wait for your 'lore" video about tennocon stuff, so much shit to go thrue. Oh and plz tell us your idea with the chair and giving abilitys how it could affect the story like what if any facton, god forbide sentients, get ahold of something like that ??
I'm beginning to compile data as we speak...
What if one of the faction could make or modify transference bolts (reference "The Sacrifice") for an especially strong/ intelligent/ or complex cephalon to control individual infested forms like pieces on a game board? But that raises the question of if that introduces that cephalon to the infested hivemind and corrupt it? Maybe that would cause the cephalon to be just another form under infested control, allow the infested to control the ship systems, lock everything down, launch empty escape pod and dive that ship ,or fleet, into infested hives like eris, deimos or a rotting derelict ship?
Hmmmm.... Would make for a very powerful ally. Or enemy.
You pose an interesting theory, for one to understand the question we must understand the infested and so far the general idea of them, is that they dont care about the on going war between corpus and grineer, the rise of sentients, the lesser infested are mindless drones who care nothing but harvesting and killing, but then you got the higher infested who have hive minds, which is curious, because so far we havent comprehend what they're real goal is, some say to expand, to conquer, i mean overall survival, in the end, dont we all wish that upon our race, tenno, corpus, grineer, even sentients? Now about sacrifice...i wouldnt, and here's why, i believe, infested and tenno have a symbiotic relationship, they need us, as much as we need them, they represent chaos, and tenno represent order, some say tenno are the bad guys...i dont believe so, evolution requires sacrifice sometimes, take the example of Alad V...he gave up his humanity, to understand infested, but at what cost...but you forgot one major player here...."the man in the high tower" possibly one of the orokin people, what does he think of all this, will he do anything? is he just watching all parties to see who's worthy...simply playing god?
I would choose to destroy the infestation if the option was given, that for sure. Destroy everything except for what's strictly essential IF it's possible to keep it contained (avoid the Infested room from affecting and spreading trough its sorroundings, render neuter whatever you create from it etc...).
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it will be good all the warframes to have there own quest or to have a quest to see how the prime frames are made and where did they come from
It can't be done there will always be a test tube out there and someone to use it again. Tech never goes away if the ideas or knowledge exists.
Think about this, we team up with the sentients and make all the frames more sentient of material than infested maybe giving us more powers in the end and with the sentients help we end the infestation and at the least likely moment the sentients backstab and "kill" one of our warframes most likely umbra
Ah yes right on time
I thought you might need something to watch right after tennocon let out, lol...
In a sense if the tenno truly want to bring peace to the system we should be helping the infested. After all the infested are the only faction without any internal conflict, well maybe the corrupted but they're more limited than the infested. Sure the infested are violent to all other factions but there is peace within the hive mind, and in my opinion the infested are the only faction that would keep the peace after eliminating all the other factions.