German Tank Division (World War 2) - Organization & Structure - Visualization

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    Visualization of a German Panzer Division in 1939 according to the planned outfit for the “1. Panzer Division” (1st German Tank Division) on 1. September 1939 in contrast with the actual numbers.
    References
    (1) The number of tanks for 1939 in the 1. Panzer Division is from Jentz p. 90 (see sources).
    (2) The Numbers of men is according to Müller-Hillebrand S. 163 (see sources) and Niehorster (see sources).
    Notes on accuracies
    (1) This is the „ideal/planned“ layout of German Panzer Division in World War 2 as orderd for the 1. Panzer Division. With the Kriegsstärkenachweisungen (K. St. N.) 1103 (Sd), 1194 (Sd), 1168 (Sd), 1107 (Sd), 1171 (Sd), 1175 (Sd), 1178 (Sd) from the 1st September 1939, due to the war and a general lack of tanks on the German side the division probably never reached this setup, especially since the Panzer Division got restructured again and again. From 1939 to 1941 the number of tanks in a Panzer Division decreased by almost 50 %.
    (2) Furthermore, the types of armored cars represented in the video is simplified. I know there were around 90 armored cars (Niehorster link) in the division, but I could only determine the exact types and numbers for 56 of those 90. They were Sdkfz 221, Sdkfz 222, Sdkfz 223, Sdkfz 231, Sdkfz 232, Sdkfz 274, Sdkfz 260, Sdkfz 261, Sdkfz 263.
    Sources
    Jentz, Thomas: Panzertruppen - The Complete Guide to the Creation & Combat Employment of Germanys Tank Force 1933-1942
    1st Panzer Division In accordance with the 1939/40 Mobilization Plan
    www.niehorster.org/011_germany...
    This homepage is from the author of this book (series):
    Battistelli, Pier Paolo: Panzer Divisions: The Blitzkrieg Years 1939-40
    Battistelli, Pier Paolo: Panzer Divisions: The Eastern Front 1941-43
    Müller-Hillebrand, Burkhart: Das Heer - Band 1 - 1933-1939 (S. 163: IV. Panzerdivision)
    Credits
    Design of the unit counters is heavily inspired by Black ICE Mod (the definitive Hearts of Iron 3 Mod)
    forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...

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  • @mr.andrew9171
    @mr.andrew9171 8 років тому +609

    "Numbers without context are like politicians, quite useless and untrustworthy"
    I laughed a hardy laugh

  • @jamesbarca7229
    @jamesbarca7229 7 років тому +72

    Here's your tank.
    "Excellent!"
    It has a fake gun and the turret is welded in place.
    "Bogus!"

  • @TheDesertTroop
    @TheDesertTroop 6 років тому +125

    "Numbers without context are like politicians, quite useless and untrustworthy"
    Fokken subbed

  • @markboes1998
    @markboes1998 8 років тому +128

    waiting fot hoi4, gonne use this

    • @adrielcamilo2564
      @adrielcamilo2564 7 років тому +7

      Every time I watch his videos I play HOI 4!

    • @reinhardsmirnofsky2507
      @reinhardsmirnofsky2507 6 років тому +2

      That's exactly why I'm here too :P

    • @stasiookon-rocha1643
      @stasiookon-rocha1643 3 роки тому +4

      Sorry, but this is a really bad tank template for hoi4

    • @akunlama89
      @akunlama89 3 роки тому +1

      Can someone tell me the Template?

    • @nyuraki_industries_not_sus
      @nyuraki_industries_not_sus 3 роки тому +6

      @@stasiookon-rocha1643 not a bad template if you actually use the numbers unless you are playing a late-war game. Note that I said not a bad template.

  • @Octavius0
    @Octavius0 8 років тому +109

    Nice.
    I'd also like to see a comparison with a Panzer Division later in the war to see how composition changed, how many of the long barreled 75mm PzIV's, Panthers, StuGs etc in average Pz Dv.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +18

      +Caesar Himself already planned, did quite some research on 1941 division before I switched to 1939, but it is on very low priority right now, thus probably not coming til summer or even 2017. The US Army, Soviets and Japanese will probably get a some videos prior. Maybe also the British and French.

    • @Octavius0
      @Octavius0 8 років тому +4

      Military History
      Splendid

    • @GaryArmstrongmacgh
      @GaryArmstrongmacgh 7 років тому +3

      Good to go on all accounts. Looking forward to all videos. Have enjoyed the previous. I find your accounts well documented and objective.

    • @lance1413
      @lance1413 5 років тому +3

      To directly answer your query about mid-late 1944 Panzer Divisions, the Panzer Regiment normally had 2 Abteilung; about 80 Pz.IV Ausf.H or Ausf.J in one Abt. and about 70-80 Pz.V/"Panther" in the other Abt. If a StuG. unit was attached, or normally part of (organic to), the Division - add around 20-35 StuG and StuH. THEORETICALLY,
      Panzer Divisions of 1944 contained about 140-180 tanks and 3,800-4,500+ vehicles (consisting of cars, trucks, trailers, artillery, and other equipment). For most Panzer Divisions the quantities are less.
      No two Panzer Divisions were alike; there were theoretical tables of Organization & Equipment (Gleiderung, KStN) with some semblance of standards. However, shortages, petty empire building, tactical & strategic blunders, and combat/wastage losses resulted in reality varying, sometimes way less than, what clerks scratched on paper (for examples see specific unit histories - if/where available).
      Elite units (e.g. Pz.Gren.Div. "GrossDeutschland," Pz.Div. "Lehr," Pz.Div. "Herman Goering," 1.-3., 5., 12.-SS Pz.Div. ...) were likely to have greater authorized numbers upon rest & refit.
      Finally, there are Kampfgruppe and attached units from higher H.Q. (e.g. Korps, Heeresgruppe/Armeegruppe). See Kampfgruppe Peiper for an example of a large unit. Attaching units could last from a few hours to several weeks or months. Thus, once you're familiar with several KStN, almost anything, within some glimmer of reason, could be attached to a theoretical Panzer Division.
      The surface has only been very lightly grazed on this subject. See:
      "German Army Handbook" by WJK Davies (Amazon, Ebay, +???);
      "Panzers in Normandy Then and Now" by Eric Lefevre;
      "Handbook on German Military Forces" by U.S. War Department; Technical Manual 15 March, 1945; TM-E 30-451 [This extensive 'intelligence' manual has errors; one is there were no 170mm artillery guns permanently attached to elite units. However, it's been used by gaming companies; see "East Front," "West Front."]
      See also, www.sturmpanzer.com - scroll down, on the left side, to "German Documents" and click on "- KStN -" "Kriegsstärkenachweisung"

    • @NONO-oy1cu
      @NONO-oy1cu 4 роки тому

      @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Can you include tiger tanks?

  • @euniceamemberoftheevergive7029
    @euniceamemberoftheevergive7029 2 місяці тому +2

    A standard Wehrmacht Panzer Division consisted of around 12,000 personnel.
    It seems Hans brought in the Division's Heavy Tank Company.
    A Heavy Tank Company consisted of 6 platoons.
    A Lead Group, consisting of 2 Tanks, 2 Staff Cars, and 2 Staff Bikes.
    The Lead Group would contain the Kompanieführer, a Panzerkommandant, a Haptfeldwebel, an NCO, 5 Vehicle Crew NCOs, 7 Vehicle Crew, and an Enlisted.
    A platoon would consist of 4 tanks, and be staffed with a Zugführer, a Stellv. Zugführer, 2 Panzerkommandants, 9 Vehicle Crew NCOs, and 7 Vehicle Crew.
    An additional division of replacement crew could be included, consisting of 2 Panzerkommandants, 2 Vehicle Crew NCOs, and 6 Vehicle Crew.
    All that personnel for a single M1 Stuart, shows the true might of the Americans during the war.

  • @danielhall6354
    @danielhall6354 8 років тому +74

    one of the best yet, cant wait to watch more

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +2

      +Daniel Hall thank you, yeah, I think this video is my best so far.

    • @nicklong4291
      @nicklong4291 8 років тому +7

      +Military History Best video so far definitely, to the point and interestingly placed over, and lots of detail in short amount of time. Really looking forward to next video already!

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +6

      +Nick Long thank you! I was surprised and very proud, when I realized that it was shorter than 4 minutes yet had probably more information than most other videos too.

  • @Napoleonheir1805
    @Napoleonheir1805 8 років тому +15

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    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +3

      +Napoleonheir1805 thank you, I am very proud of this video, the best so far. Excellent!

  • @bogdanalexandru261
    @bogdanalexandru261 7 років тому +6

    This is so awesome and helpful for the people (like me) that have no knowledge of how armies are constructed, but want a quick (visual) guide to it. Good job.

  • @sirtarquin6306
    @sirtarquin6306 8 років тому +41

    "Nambas vis ut Context are like politicians useless and untrustvervi" so true.

  • @lannyqualls9428
    @lannyqualls9428 2 роки тому +2

    I've been a student of the The eastern front a short time. I just stumbled across your channel and I think it's fascinating. You have a new subscriber. Thank you for all this great information.

  • @n2thea
    @n2thea 8 років тому +2

    This will help out my history essay in terms of army units in world war 2, thanks heaps! :)

  • @SaintJavelin2022
    @SaintJavelin2022 8 років тому +3

    Saw one vid, subbed right away. Great job and I look forward to what's next!

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    @dottorAuz 8 років тому +2

    Less than 20 video and you're already my favorite youtuber, keep pushing

  • @aureliodangelo8031
    @aureliodangelo8031 7 років тому

    I'm from Italy... I have to say that your videos are fantastic! Your english is very simply, so I can understand all of what you say.
    Continue on this way!

  • @FulmenTheFinn
    @FulmenTheFinn 8 років тому +1

    Very glad I came across this channel. I served as an NCO in an Armoured Infantry Battalion in the FDF so already based on that I have a knowledge and interest in Organisation & Structure of units. Of course, I have had a deep interest in history and the military for many years prior to my service and since. Keep these videos coming!
    -A new subscriber

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      +FulmenTheFinn thank you and welcome to my Channel! lol, I tried to look at your profile "this Channel is not available in your country" :D

  • @mackalack1019
    @mackalack1019 8 років тому +6

    This is great! I think adding reactions or commentary from german officers at the time on how they felt about this organization and the substitutions would be a great addition! I'd also be interested to know how this organization impacted tactics used by commanders in the field.

  • @Gamer_1745
    @Gamer_1745 8 років тому +1

    Very Good video!!! Clear & concise. I am going to watch your other videos.

  • @VRichardsn
    @VRichardsn 8 років тому +5

    IIRC, after *Fall Gelb*, the number of tanks per division was reduced, as it was that the divisions were too "tank heavy" and not as flexible.

  • @itsallagame2013
    @itsallagame2013 8 років тому +1

    Very informative and easy digested! Thanks!

  • @gregoryhamlet2909
    @gregoryhamlet2909 7 років тому +1

    I nice piece of military history, that you normally get. thank you

  • @slick95112
    @slick95112 8 років тому

    Excellent research & presentation.

  • @ResoluteLemon
    @ResoluteLemon 8 років тому +2

    Nice presentation. Well done! Would love to see more like that for other countries too.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      thank you, I also did a Soviet Tank division, Polish Infantry Division, US Army Battalion and yeah, many more coming. Also a German and British WW1 infantry division.

    • @ResoluteLemon
      @ResoluteLemon 8 років тому +1

      Awesome. I'm glad you dived into WW1 material as well. Hopefully you also provided some reference materials so that interested viewers can do some more research on their own. :) Great job keep it up !

  • @ComfortsSpecter
    @ComfortsSpecter 15 днів тому

    Incredible Public Work
    Great Learning Material
    Thank You Good Man

  • @REgamesplayer
    @REgamesplayer 8 років тому +18

    Btw: then you are giving numbers, please leave a visual number over amount of troops or equipment it is. It is difficult to follow exact specifications sometimes and it would help a lot with presentation.

  • @franciscohernandez-2018
    @franciscohernandez-2018 7 років тому +1

    I'd like to see a video on the German '44 infantry & Volksgrenadier divisions. Keep up the good work.

  • @erichmannstien70
    @erichmannstien70 8 років тому +1

    Very well animated and helpful

  • @Legion-ov6jr
    @Legion-ov6jr 7 років тому +2

    incredible content!!!!

  • @croozy20
    @croozy20 4 роки тому

    Great Video!

  • @ninaakari5181
    @ninaakari5181 4 роки тому +1

    I really enjoyed these videos

  • @edgargabriel6640
    @edgargabriel6640 2 роки тому +1

    One of my Grandfathers was a commander in the 1st. All were given the divisions diary after the war. I did read it almost 50 years agol. I'm very sad about its loss. One of my uncles lost the book. I can't ask him as he died years ago as well.

  • @light121
    @light121 8 років тому

    Really good video!

  • @Ealdorman_of_Mercia
    @Ealdorman_of_Mercia 8 місяців тому

    Good presentation.

  • @janisberzins8810
    @janisberzins8810 6 років тому

    Nice video, thanks.

  • @rodneyrex1000
    @rodneyrex1000 8 років тому +3

    Super good, I recommend that you add some background music to the video, it would make it even better

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +1

      +Harmless Black Guy thank you, but Nein :) there is a longer debate about the music on my other video if you are interested: ua-cam.com/video/ft-dYaZKxwU/v-deo.html

  • @kaiser10298
    @kaiser10298 8 років тому

    +Military History Visualized
    Brilliant video, thank you very mutch

  • @thegrayknight71
    @thegrayknight71 6 років тому

    Exellent. Thanks.

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy 6 місяців тому +1

    Please feel free to go into more detail about the make-up of the Infantry regiment and especially all the supply and support vehicles.

  • @dyynf
    @dyynf 8 років тому +1

    Great video, as always. Keep up the good work. :)
    Greetings from Indonesia...

  • @ianjoaquin9796
    @ianjoaquin9796 5 років тому

    This looks great

  • @jirons5180
    @jirons5180 7 років тому

    2 Questions:1. Will you add other videos for every single Pz-Div (1-27) and Waffen-SS Pz-Div, just to understand the change in the composition starting from 39 to 45? And, the composition at the beginning of crucial operations like “Fall Weiss”, “Marita”, “Barbarossa” ...2. Will you add other videos like the StuG’s one for Tank destroyers? In addition, how
    these panzers were integrated in the Pz-Div?Thank you in advance

  • @balognabread
    @balognabread 8 років тому +1

    This is an awesome video.

  • @jackssmirkingrevenge9365
    @jackssmirkingrevenge9365 4 роки тому

    brilliantly informative, danke! and agreed re the politicians 👍😁

  • @luciusquinctiuscincinnatus6627
    @luciusquinctiuscincinnatus6627 7 років тому +2

    Best channel on youtube for me . I thank you greatly for what you are doing !
    I have a question. How wide of a front would a german infantry or armour division typically cover? 50 miles wide,100 miles wide? I take it early war would be different compared to late war since late war had less divisions ?

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  7 років тому +2

      thank you! good question and I don't know it yet, but you just gave me an idea, I added your question into a new made list: "good questions". Although I can provide you some data on the Soviets in 1942 for Winter 1942 (20th Nov 1942). Southwest Front 1 division for 10 km, Don Front: 1 division for 5.8 km, Stalingrad Front 10.8km, total / average 1 division for 9.2 km.
      Also I think there is some info in this video: ua-cam.com/video/9deICfLY5mQ/v-deo.html

    • @luciusquinctiuscincinnatus6627
      @luciusquinctiuscincinnatus6627 7 років тому +1

      Thank you so much for replying .
      Those numbers you have given me on the Soviets are a great starting point . I crave to know what the limit of a German divisions operational front was . I see in Roberts Kirchubel Atlas of the Eastern front that on some maps some divisions seem to be covering a few miles right up to 20 or more miles.
      I will be looking forward to all content of yours in the future.

  • @colerape
    @colerape 7 років тому +1

    There is value in knowing numbers, but like you said context makes a big difference in understanding the numbers. What is the purpose of a Panzer Division? What are typical missions. A brief discussion of the duties/purpose of the various units would be very beneficial. What is the purpose of the light companies, medium companies etc.? Other helpful info would be what specific tank types were used for? Why was it significant that there were too few Pzkw III? I don't think you would add a too much to the length of the vid, but you would add tremendous value.

  • @BlankRegie
    @BlankRegie 6 років тому +1

    You should make a sequel/follow up to this, showing how Panzer Division organization changed as the war progressed and resources became more limited and spread thin.

  • @absurdist5134
    @absurdist5134 8 років тому

    A very easy like and subscribe. Brilliant.

  • @billt7283
    @billt7283 8 років тому +9

    i will post all of my period panzer and panzertruppen photos that i have collected over the years on my channel when i get them all scanned if anyone is interested

  • @colindorrans1773
    @colindorrans1773 6 років тому

    Im hooked.

  • @mwnciboo
    @mwnciboo 2 роки тому

    The sheer logistics involved day in and day out for a single Panzer division is mind boggling.

  • @StefanRamsen
    @StefanRamsen 6 років тому

    Can you do one Video were its visualized how the organisation of the Tank devisions changed tought the war?
    Because with some new type of tanks like the Tiger or Panther the devision stucture also changed or not?

  • @sbapungi1506
    @sbapungi1506 8 років тому +1

    good video
    subscribed

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      +a- Babunji thank you, welcome to my channel.

    • @sbapungi1506
      @sbapungi1506 8 років тому

      Military History I wonder if you can do a video about modern army's structure, including the navy ??? and they communicate durning the combat

  • @juliancasey501
    @juliancasey501 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the great work and detail. Can you guide me on the correct way to say: XXIV Panzer Corps in English? Would it be; 24th Panzer Corps or 24 Panzer Corps?

  • @voxzero4588
    @voxzero4588 6 років тому

    Suggestion: ORBAT of different divisions on your website
    (Would love to see a Volksgrenadier division)

  • @Richard68434
    @Richard68434 2 роки тому

    how do the artillery nits catch up to the tank armored battalions?

  • @striderominus7127
    @striderominus7127 3 роки тому +1

    Bookmark:
    2:11 - Light Tanks
    2:30 - Medium Tanks

  • @Tyronious
    @Tyronious 8 років тому +1

    Do you play HOI3 TFH? You seem like you'd make a good player of the game. Great video by the way, keep it up.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      +Tyronious ofc :) but I prefer the Black ICE mod, it is way more complex and the division setup is way more accurate. Thank you!

  • @vlastimilzlamal2982
    @vlastimilzlamal2982 7 років тому

    Can you write numbers of member in brigades.. 1100 etc.? (my english is week)

  • @mikebreaux2491
    @mikebreaux2491 8 років тому +1

    Loved it! Hopefully you can do one on a 1944 based Panzer unit!

  • @ShortCardinalsFan262
    @ShortCardinalsFan262 8 років тому +2

    THIS
    IS
    AWESOME!!!!!!

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain 8 років тому +16

    So aside from the poor quality of the tanks, the biggest problems I see is the lack of tracked vehicles to transport infantry and the lack of self-propelled artillery and anti-tank guns. The only assault guns that could keep up with the advance would seem to be in the limited number of Panzer IVs. Oh, and AAA, but that would fall under the Luftwaffe. It would be nice to know what Luftwaffe units would normally accompany a Panzer division at this time.

    • @domoncar6782
      @domoncar6782 7 років тому +9

      You are spot on, and this is something that Heer faced when it attacked the Red Army with their T-34. They had to repurpose the 88s (anti aircraft guns) to kick out the Russians.

    • @sylvainmalfettes2114
      @sylvainmalfettes2114 7 років тому +13

      Many people forget that the main way of transportation for the germans soldiers was and remained horses, in fact...

    • @4T3hM4kr0n
      @4T3hM4kr0n 7 років тому +1

      YUP, stubby panzer III's were ineffective but the ONLY reason the germans gained ground was blitzkrieg, so they managed to outmanuever and take out the T34's...but it was painfull due to their guns being such crap.

    • @kushanblackrazor6614
      @kushanblackrazor6614 7 років тому +2

      The other problem is the lack of infantry, period. Not just transport, but there's only a handful of infantry to accompany a rather larger number of tanks. The reorganization done in late 1940 made for a much more efficient, balanced Panzer Division as would be seen in the successes of 1941.

  • @jakebrowncollection1772
    @jakebrowncollection1772 8 років тому +5

    awesome video mate could you possibly in the future do some about the structure of british tank and or infantry unit like regiments,brigades, divisions ect thanks

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +2

      +jake brown thank you. Of course, I have a lot of planned and quite some back log. Also, I need to have proper information, right now I only have limited information on British stuff, but I didn't do any research yet, so I guess I can find "something" ;) It will probably take a few months.

    • @jakebrowncollection1772
      @jakebrowncollection1772 8 років тому +1

      Awesome one of the main things you've got to keep in mind is that british infantry regiments tend to in time of war I. E ww1 and ww2 can contain way more than the normal amount of battalions not as overboard in ww2 compared to the great war for example the Hampshire regiment during the first world war had I think it was 32 battalions and numbered in strange ways.
      In the case of british military formations I'm happy to help with any research into the subject.
      Rock on dude

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +1

      +jake brown thank you, do you know any books/resources that include a complete "table of organization and equipment" (I think that is the US Army term)? My main problem is that a lot of books usually contain just a bit of information, e.g., Jentz covered all about tanks in every unit and subunit but I didn't waste one line about how many men there were in those units. Other mention: 12k men in the division, but no information on how many men in each division.

    • @jakebrowncollection1772
      @jakebrowncollection1772 8 років тому

      +Military History ccnmtl.columbia.edu/services/dropoff/schilling/mil_org/milorgan_99.html this link may help also for books reference try osprey books they tend to have a nice aray of info I know that a british infantry division of the late war period contains around 13-14,000 men more than a American division it's difficult to find sources on the subject of britain division structure because it varies from year to year and with tank division are the same in that the numbers increase in armour I'll have to get back to you with some better source material

    • @jakebrowncollection1772
      @jakebrowncollection1772 8 років тому

      +Military History www.britishmilitaryhistory.co.uk/documents.php?nid=23 this one is a very good source I think

  • @gunnerdelta
    @gunnerdelta 8 років тому

    Can you make a video on reorganizing units? What happens when a division suffers heavy losses?

  • @deltamu436
    @deltamu436 8 років тому +2

    Hey I've been looking up World War One battle casualties (mostly on UA-cam oops) and was wondering why the allied casualties were always slightly higher than the central powers casualties is there a reason for this and if so could you do a video on it
    Tu Amigo
    -Sam

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +2

      causalities are quite problematic even for World War 2, because every country uses different counting methods (as far as I know), e.g., some count sick people, also some died from sickness. Also it really depends on how often one side was defending. Usually the defender gets a "kill bonus". So I assume that the Allies were attacking a bit more often.

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy 4 роки тому

    This stuff is gold for anyone trying to organize wargaming units!

  • @germanojeda6272
    @germanojeda6272 6 років тому +1

    Nice video.
    Wats is the formation of a soviet division?

  • @MonsterEnergyDrinkerer
    @MonsterEnergyDrinkerer 4 роки тому

    Is there any video that goes into more detail about the non-tank components of a Panzer Division?

  • @bullseyeclone1474
    @bullseyeclone1474 8 років тому +6

    Could you do the organization of the Type 44 Panzer Division?

  • @K_Kara
    @K_Kara 8 років тому +2

    Did Panzer IVs and Panthers replace every other tank in Panzer Divisions by late war? And did any of big cat versions get attached to Panzer Divisions alongside Schwerepanzerabteilungen?

  • @napadaanlng69
    @napadaanlng69 7 років тому +1

    Looking to know more with the german structural unit/division in operation barbarossa :)

  • @thetalon100
    @thetalon100 7 років тому

    Could you make another version of this that would be a late War version of the Panzer Division? Like the ones that American forces were fighting in say '43, '44, and '45?

  • @CoolKid-qk7tl
    @CoolKid-qk7tl Рік тому +1

    Funny how you represented the supply trains with trucks rather than horses

  • @captaindusty4884
    @captaindusty4884 8 років тому +1

    Great Video! Any chance you could highlight the use or numbers of Czech Panzer 38t and 35t in the German Tank divisions as they were better machines than say the panzer 2's and panzer 1's and readily available on the onset of WW2?

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +1

      +Captain Dusty thank you! What exactly you mean with highlighting? You mean a video which compares the Czech Tanks with the German ones? Or a look at two Panzer Divisions in terms of setup with German vs. Czech tanks?

    • @captaindusty4884
      @captaindusty4884 8 років тому +1

      +Military History Visualized Yeah sorry about my confusing wording, I was just wondering how many Czech tanks were really incorporated (mixed) into a German Tank division in say 1939? But a comparison would also be nice, thanks :)

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +1

      +Captain Dusty no worries, I just don't want to answer the wrong question. As far as I know they weren't used mixed, the had complete regiments of Czech Tanks, although maybe the light tanks were composed Pz I & Pz II, but the medium Czech tanks. At least from what I remember, this would also make sense from a logistical point, because having Pz IIIs, Pz IVs and Pz 35 & Pz 38 (t) must be a logistical nightmare. Yeah, maybe I will make a comparison video. good idea!

    • @lohengramm7798
      @lohengramm7798 2 роки тому

      Pleased to meet you honourable commander of the alliance , Dusty Attenborough.

  • @princeofcupspoc9073
    @princeofcupspoc9073 7 років тому

    The video left out a major component of the 1939/1940 panzer division, namely the Czech 35(t) and 38(t). The 38(t) in particular was pretty close to the effectiveness of an early Panzer III. Rommel's Ghost Division in the invasion of France was composed mostly of Czech tanks, and he did pretty well with them.

    • @4T3hM4kr0n
      @4T3hM4kr0n 7 років тому

      yes! was just thinking the same thing, the czech tanks were pretty good.

  • @mart4144
    @mart4144 4 роки тому

    Were other countries' armoured divisions organised similarly?

  • @paulopombal8996
    @paulopombal8996 7 років тому

    You didn't mention Pz 35(t) and Pz 38 (t). What was their role in reality? Replacements for Pz II and Pz III respectively?

  • @JaM-R2TR4
    @JaM-R2TR4 7 років тому

    What about Infantry Brigade, how was it organized?

  • @shanebeckett3557
    @shanebeckett3557 4 роки тому

    Very straight forward although by the end of 41 the divisions will never look like that due to losses etc

  • @yoyowu3072
    @yoyowu3072 7 років тому

    what was the recon tank again

  • @WalkaCrookedLine
    @WalkaCrookedLine 7 років тому +2

    When Germany overran Czechoslovakia prior to ww2, they captured a large number of czech built pz-35 tanks and the factory newly retooled to produce the improved pz-38 model. These were used to pad out numbers in several early war campaigns. The Pz-38s were similar to pz-II but better armed. Some divisions used in France had pz-38s as over half their tank strength.

    • @501Mobius
      @501Mobius 5 років тому

      Actually, the Pz 38t is very similar to the Pz III E and F in armor and armament.

  • @Nordy941
    @Nordy941 4 роки тому

    Numbers of Trucks and Halftracks in the division?

  • @paulcalinovici8808
    @paulcalinovici8808 3 роки тому

    During the WW2, the german tank divisions were multiple times pushing deep into the enemy territory with the rest of the army lagging behind. I would be curious how were these divisions supplied with fuel, food, ammunition during these frontline stretchings. I would greatly appreciate a video about this.

  • @borali26
    @borali26 6 років тому

    they used propelled artilhery as a separated division?

  • @REgamesplayer
    @REgamesplayer 8 років тому

    Military History Visualized, could you do organization, structure and more importantly, amount of equipment of modern dvisions? I'm quite confused often at how much amount of gear it actually has and I would love to have a video to clear things up. If that is not exactly ''historic'', could you do to more modern, cold war divisions instead of modern brigade structure? If not, could you at least link me to good sources which would give me this information for further analysis?

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      at one point I will cover more modern divisions, but no guarantee for 2016, although quite likely.

  • @eltonzheng84
    @eltonzheng84 8 років тому

    Can you do a video on military education - West Point etc. thanks!

  • @bandwagon22
    @bandwagon22 7 років тому

    The reason why Germans cut numbers of tanks of panzer division later was that panzer division need a lot more infantry support. Panzers making break trough wasn't the biggest issue. The biggest problem was how to get infantry following with large numbers those armor penetrations. Finns noticed during Winter War that its better to let tanks go through because alone separated from their infantry support they were relatively easy targets for anti tank crews.

  • @wisawachitsawangphon2169
    @wisawachitsawangphon2169 7 років тому

    What are the differences Panzergrenadier and infantry in Panzer Division?

  • @onuralpdemir5913
    @onuralpdemir5913 8 років тому

    wow ! taht is good

  • @marshja56
    @marshja56 8 років тому +1

    The tank brigade has around 300 tanks, but has 3000 men? Were there a lot of support troops (repair, fueling, supply, etc.) also in the brigade?

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому +2

      +marshja56 yeah, each regiment had a repair company and each battalion a support column. Each company also a maintenance section and supply section, etc. etc. I know for Russian rifle division that most supply units were external, whereas German Infantry Division had them included. Note: the above list is probably not complete.

  • @TheBigDiamonds
    @TheBigDiamonds 6 років тому

    I'm not sure whether I just missed it, but how many soldiers were part of the 1st Panzer division on average and what roles did they have?
    like x amount infantry on foot, y amount infantry on bikes, z tank crewmembers, same for art, anti tank and recon, repair, supplies, so on?

    • @lotrbuilders5041
      @lotrbuilders5041 6 років тому

      Gamer/Diamond_s well nothing on foot, that was to slow, the number is given at the begin of the video

  • @TheRomanRuler
    @TheRomanRuler 7 років тому

    Is there video about theoretical 1945 Panzer division organisation and structure?

  • @od1452
    @od1452 5 років тому

    What about maintenance?

  • @kyoshiroma
    @kyoshiroma 3 роки тому

    324 tanks in the brigade are equal to 1545 men. If I assume that a crew per tank are 5 men, (which is not the case). What exactly are doing the others 1455 men approx in the "Tank brigade"?

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  3 роки тому

      a bit later and a more dedicated unit, but here is detailed overview: ua-cam.com/video/Es_zmtsz11M/v-deo.html
      In short supply & maintenance, although the organization could be different, since it was an independent unit.

  • @mattscat5075
    @mattscat5075 7 років тому +1

    what about the tigers and panthers?

  • @seanwhatstone8880
    @seanwhatstone8880 8 років тому +1

    on the first example you gave i didn't understand what you said. there where twelve Panzer whats?

    • @Westheimer836
      @Westheimer836 8 років тому +4

      Befehlswagen

    • @neobr1ck
      @neobr1ck 7 років тому

      This one's pretty inetresting to me. I learned the word '(der) Befehl' from those parodies of the movie Der Untergang, long before I actually began learning German systematically.

    • @Huey1205
      @Huey1205 7 років тому

      Befehlswagen is the german term of an commanding tank.

  • @Quenn21
    @Quenn21 7 років тому +12

    Can you make this for hoi4?

    • @Bluemilk92
      @Bluemilk92 7 років тому +1

      Kind of, you can make exactly this in HoI3 and you can kind of get somewhere close to what you can pretend is a rough representation of the idea of this in HoI4. XD

    • @narreddarr8092
      @narreddarr8092 7 років тому +6

      i often play HoI3 as Germany and try to keep as close to historical precedents as possible.
      except i don''t waste time on Bizmarck nor Tirpitz. i build a fleet of u-boats with a decent medium range for atlantic commerse raiding
      But there is a bug in HoI3 that makes the USSR invincible. Although they have a phenomenal manpower output annually, the game seems to increase that figure exponentially.
      I followed Mannstein's plan for the Ardennes by moving the 11 Pz Divs into their operational positions the day after the attack against Holland. Once the Allies have moved up to the Dyle Line i let loose my Panzers and , tbh? i had no idea just how difficult it was for Guderian and his fellow Pz COs to rely on their engineer and Motorised Inf. Divs to support them to get over the bridges for the final breakout.
      I also noticed that large numbers of Me109s and He111s suffered quite a few losses though the German Luftwaffe had enormous resources to rely upon and many aircraft and pilots were mostly damaged and out of action for several months. It seems the open cockpit of the standard French fighter did an amazing job of handling Stukas and bombers though suffered greatly against a vastly superior Me109 force. To think the French were still using open cockpit fighters in 1940 is quite astonishing.
      I also noticed that after i gave up ALL my technological and doctrinal plans to Italy - i gave them everything Germany had advances in - that Italy easily marched into Greece and controlled the east coastline that runs parallel to the Italian eastern coastline.
      In summary, i simply treated Germany and Italy [ and later, Japan, ] in the same way that the USA and UK and Commonwealth in the same way in that they shared almost all information w each other, eg, the Mustang or P38 Lightning might never have appeared if not for the combined efforts of their airforce development teams.
      I am looking forward to playing HoI4 as i believe there is counter intelligence/sabotage/spies etc, which should seriously have been incorporated in the earlier HoI series.

    • @MrRenegadeshinobi
      @MrRenegadeshinobi 7 років тому +1

      I just downloaded HOI 2 &3 off of Steam and was wondering how difficult of a game they are to play.

    • @jvt_redbaronspeaks4831
      @jvt_redbaronspeaks4831 6 років тому

      Narred Darr This notice may come a bit too late to you, but HOI 4 eliminates the intelligence panels from HOI 3 completely. They also destroyed the trade system. I am disappointed in HOI 4 except for aces, graphics, and elimination of HQs.

    • @lotrbuilders5041
      @lotrbuilders5041 6 років тому

      JVT_RedBaron speaks intelligence is still in research, so it’s somewhat there. Trade has been completely overhauled though

  • @David_Brinkerhoff93
    @David_Brinkerhoff93 4 роки тому

    So how do I make in hoi4?

  • @hobbywargamer8195
    @hobbywargamer8195 3 роки тому

    Would love to see a video on Waffen SS Panzer companies of 1944 (D-Day) it would help with building my wargaming forces more accurately.

  • @randomcommenter395
    @randomcommenter395 5 років тому +2

    They should’ve used artillery only

  • @pocketcoffee6402
    @pocketcoffee6402 8 років тому +1

    Hast du die Symbole aus Hearts of Iron? Oder wurden die so auch im echten Leben benutzt?
    Gutes Video, weiter so! :)

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      +Hōtarō Oreki beides, also Hearts of Iron hat sie von der NATO, allerdings ist mein Design defacto ne Kopie vom Black Ice Design, Black Ice ist ein HOI3 mod.
      danke!

    • @pocketcoffee6402
      @pocketcoffee6402 8 років тому +1

      Military History
      Danke für die schnelle Antwort. Ich hoffe du bekommst noch sehr viele Abonnenten hinzu!

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      +Hōtarō Oreki gern geschehen, danke, fleißig teilen und liken hilft. UA-cam is dazu übergegangen meine letzten beiden videos automatisch für Monetarisierung zu sperren :( wenn das so weiter geht werd ich den Channel wohl schmeißen.

    • @pocketcoffee6402
      @pocketcoffee6402 8 років тому

      Military History
      Schon den Support angeschrieben woran das liegen kann?

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  8 років тому

      +Hōtarō Oreki Achtung Drama:
      das Problem ist 1) es gibt keinen google support für normale Channels, erst ab 900.000 mins / 90 days watch time gibts nen eigenen Contact Button. 2) Google hat ne policy, dass man nur auf "advertiser friendly"-content videos Werbung schalten kann. Die guidelines sind absolut vage, aber generell ist mal Krieg dabei. Natürlich sind Kriegsspiele und alles andere ausgenommen (oder es liegt daran, dass die Channels groß genug sind). 3) Das System wird vermutlich ständig angepasst, zumindest würde das Erklären wieso mein erstes Video ca. 10 mal den Status gewechselt. 4) Das System ist von einem absoluten Drecks****** designed worden, weil es gibt NULL absolut keine Information bzgl. wieso es gemacht wird oder nicht. 5) Ich kann nachvollziehen wieso gewisse Videos nicht "ok" sind, allerdings ist auch mein Staff Briefing geflagged worden, wo ich NICHT über Krieg, Gewalt oder sonstwas problematisches spreche. Ebenso meine 2 test videos heute, die einfach 20 Sekunden lang waren.
      Es ist einfach total frustrierend 20 Stunden an einem Video zu arbeiten und dann einfach mitzukriegen, dass es deaktiviert wird, ohne Angabe von Gründen und in einer Welt wo Milliarden für Waffen und Krieg aus dem Fenster geschmiessen werden, aber wehe man spricht drüber. NEIN.
      Drama Ende.