The CS2 Cheater Problem Has Gotten Goofy
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2024
- We just had the stupidest cheating scandal in counter-strike history, where it was possible to enable walls with console commands. The game is unplayable at high rating premier, and cs2 is losing a lot of players, including well known content creators. What is going on, and can anything be done to stop it?
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Guys stop complaining, they are busy working on making case openings better so that you have something to do while sitting in spawn in a HvH game
Sorry I'll stop complaining
They removed pgup/pgpdown/case shake
Old capsules have broken openings
Cs2 openings are factually worse than csgo
@@tehjamerz it was a joke lol
They're actually on their Company-Mandated vacation, lay off them. /s
If I had any good skins I’d cash out asap. Doesn’t make sense that skins are even expensive… for what? Looking at something nice while you get spinbotted lol?
It's comically funny to see how bad the players are in these clips even with cheats😭😭
you can tell they dont even spray control because they ak spray goes 3 meters above the players head as soon as the kill them, nobody shoots like that
Of course. That's the reason most of them cheats.
i had a round yesterday (not premier) the actuall manly ranking game and i had an enemy with walls i killed him and said "common mr.ivan crack that aim bar to 100% and do a ballerina spin for me" well he did put a spin botter on and aimbot did the game end no it did not, vavles anticheat is pretty bad.
Problem is that most cheaters don't really know what game they are playing. They don't say "I want to play csgo but cheat this time," they say "I want to cheat but in csgo this time." Cheating IS the game that they play. If your game gets known for being a cheating playground, it just gets worse
every single time i play CS2 i end up winning against a cheater. it's never happened before and now it happens every single session... there's a whole new generation of cheaters and theyre fucking awful
I played 10 years and left in CS:GO when the problem was just too much. I didn‘t touched CS2 once. The game is so unattractive with the cheaters in mind
I did the same. You cant force me to like something that isnt what i fell in love with over 10 years.
I have not touched cs2 yet. I played all other cs's
same thing, i stopped playing csgo when it became free, worst decision from valve ever in their history, out of 10 games for me it was 5 games with cheaters
I took a very long break. I am probably past my prime with cs, but I have played since I was 13yo since 1.5. I am looking for people to 5 queue with on Faceit just for the love of the game. I probably could climb to maybe level 7 or 8.
@@artikos8750 Probably more. If you assume CS:GO had 10% cheaters (which is a very low estimate based on data about banned players) then there is on average a single cheater in every game. It's very, very easy to disguise cheats. Cheaters are like cockroaches, for every one you notice there are 10 you don't notice.
Deeply saddening to experience that gaming, where you meet tons of people around the world that share your hobby, is becoming utterly futile. Every multiplayer game is being dominated by cheaters, bots or any other form of negativity.
It's been a long time since "enjoying the game" was the main goal of the majority of players, the main goal changed to "win at all costs" many years ago and now it's transitioning again into "win, but also ruin your opponent's experience while at it".
Absolutely gutted that I'm just looking out for singleplayer and co-op games nowadays, because multiplayer is just ruined.
If you play multiplayer games on community servers, like many years ago, it's still the same
@adm1ralq You mean the community servers that don't exist anymore since everyone including Valve got rid of server browsers?
Honestly, I bought and started playing SQUAD and it really feels like the majority of people are there to have fun and not just win. It's a great breath of fresh air.
I'm having fun playing 7 Days to Die with my friends.
Fully agree with your thoughts. It’s so frustrating that everyone is always trying to be the best by any means. People will look up guides in arpg games (pve) then brag about their build like they were the ones who created it. Ego gaming at its worst
Cs2: Cheaters
Tf2: Bots
What the hell Valve
(Edit) Looks like Valve fixed Tf2 bot problem with the new 64-bit system (for now)
Valve doesn't care. They know people will throw money at them no matter what.
You can't compare a dead game to cs2 lmao
@@PeidosFTW In terms of official updates, it's dead. But to call the game completely dead? I dunno about that one, chief.
They literally told the the lead dev of tf2 classic recently that they "will not be addressing the bot crisis", due in part that they will be in a circular loop of "fixing" It and "losing" it.
Literally been 3+ years of this, I would still hope they can do something about it but at this point I doubt it.
@@PeidosFTW TF2 is far from a dead game, despite Valve's efforts.
What's also insane to me is how many of the wall hackers in this video have like absolutely zero idea of the map geometry and die trying to get kills that anyone with a modicum of gamesense would be like "kid you're shooting a wall"
I love when the guy tries to jump onto silo in de_nuke
Honestly if someone can see their enemy through the walls and they still manage to grenade themselves then just let them cheat they need it desperately
@@TheWarOwl About time to hop back in cs 1.6 to wait for a fix !
@@TheWarOwl it was PAINFULL to watch I really didn't enjoy it lol
Like it happens from time to time to miss the jump but to take 15 seconds to finally make it is so much pain lol
@@TheWarOwl Yeah the silo jump and billy just repeatedly nading himself and his teammates was peak. I'm old and I've never been a movement player at the best of times but even I don't screw up the jump that badly.
Another problem I’ve been having is that I go on a losing streak from spinbots, end up in a much lower rank, where there’s less hackers, but then I get accused of cheating because everyone is at a lower rank… they all report me so idk how I can ever get my trust factor up again
This was the problem my friends and I encountered back in CSGO. High silver literally became an elo hell because you kept getting reported and then playing cheaters. When we finally broke out of silver we got to master guardian in about a month.
The worst part is the players that go "OmFg YoUr JuSt BaD tHeRe AreNt ChEaTeRs"
thats what cheaters usually say to gaslight and protect their fellow cheaters , if its posted on reddit you can see plenty of em trying to get rid the post with hard evidences with reports or massive downvoting
Most likely cheaters trying to gaslight legit players
@@user-hf6os1qb2w also why they tend to queue with friends, it's an intimidation attempt for two of them to say "nah you're just bad" but then you just remind yourself they need cheats to get kills (and closet cheating is for losers)
are you over 20k / level 10 faceit?
Generally you're a bad player if you don't carry those stats. Meaning you can destroy a 10k who has wall hacks.
"I don't mind if they have a little bit of cheats like walls or ESP, but when they're spin botting it's no fun" - n0thing
@@rbNNNN Ah yes, the classic "anyone who is lower elo than me is trash".
The worst thing is that every time you play a game you first check your opponents' profiles instead of playing the warm-up. The first one only has 200 hours, the second one doesn't have a badge & the last one doesn't even have his Steam profile set up. And we as a team all have 3k+ hours, 1k€ inventories and +15 years accounts. That's just a shame because CS is the only game we really play = we're old.
true
I have never seen someone cheating without a setup steam profile
i hate when my friends do this.. like unless were all gonna leave and abandon match or surrender immediately, theres no point in complaining about cheats before the game starts and all throughout the game.. like we all know their cheating and were queuing anyways, lets just sit back and play the game and pretend for a minute that our favorite game isnt a shitty cesspool of retards spinbotting..
@@besher532 then you obviously dont play the game much or don't pay attention lmfao. Rage hackers are usually new accounts like that. The "soft" cheaters tend to be more established accounts with at least a couple hundred hours.
That's me. I started playing in high school senior year. That's 22 years ago for me.
As a tf2 player who just started playing CS2, it feels like I never left home
Now the players spin too!
@@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate Nice shot, mate!
@@xarigama6466 Thanks, mate!
@@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate Nice shot!
@@xarigama6466 Okay, mate.
7:42 The issue with these kernel-level modules is not only the possibility of Riot being able to take control, but that potential security vulnerabilities in the software could be used by malicious actors to get privileges that may otherwise be more difficult otherwise. It creates an attack surface, and the more software you install that especially have kernel-level access, the greater the surface is, and the likelihood of vulnerabilities to exist that could potentially be exploited.
We are have been fortunate enough that nothing serious has happened yet except for hidden Bitcoin miners and the like; but chances increase over time as these anti-cheats grow in scope and features.
6:30 “valve is big on ethics”
Millions of parents credit cards have something else to say
The parents have a skill issue
Sounds like parents with a lacking brain. It is common knowledge that if your bank allows it, your credit card is just going to have miniscule amount while all your proper savings are on a separate account. To prevent skimming, card theft and more. To reduce the potential damage.
well good thing they have a very good refund system
They always refund if a parent calls them
???
Csgo : Cheaters
Cs2 : more cheaters
100% also if you loved how broken the smurfing problem was in silver csgo
Come on over and try level 1-3 faceit boy you're in for a treat
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 Even at lvl 10 is like that, guys with 200 hours, lvl 0 and with less than 10 friends making 30 to 40 frags when the whole team does nothing. Cheaters also have the same pattern. Gaming is dead, change my mind.
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 its actually incredible how much they've bungled matchmaking even more
@@BK_CS Gaming isnt dead because Counterstrike is bad
not even comparable, cs go had easily 80% less cheaters
+1 on the "I stopped playing due to cheaters" and +1 on the "I tried playing the game with friends, but they pretty much went NOPE, Nope, nope.."
i find CS unplayably boring unless all you do is troll in silver with friends
True. I stopped playing one week after CS2 launch because of that reason and never looked back. Maybe some time later I will return but only if they fix cheater problem.
Stopped playing cause playing basically the same game for 20+ years is definition of mental t@rdation.
Played with my friends, kinda wanted to get better, there was too many smurfs in regular matchmaking. They made me install face it, we had 2 smurfs / cheaters in 10 games. They complained about me missing shots (which is fair, I stopped playing FPS for a long fucking time).
And poof, no motivation or intent to play CS2 ever again 🙃
Like... I can't care about playing a multiplayer game and get better, if the game can't show me they respect my time spent in the game. That goes for smurfing, cheating, ban evasion tactics, you name it. And, right now, the competitive games that are respectful of your time are practically inexistant.
TF2 Players who have been fighting bots since 2019 : First Time ?
Cs players when they experience 0.001% of average tf2 player’s experience:
@@SuperDuperSeb this
1. Trust factor is also affected by getting reporting for abusive communication which is the reason it was a complete and utter failure in CSGO.
2. Valve admitted that only a few people need to review a overwatch case depending on the accuracy of their previous overwatch verdicts.
Yeah, as a new player initially i didn't have a mic, because i usually don't play those games. But i was playing random pub games, not even ranked, so it was ok. Most players weren't even talking in an understandable language, so there was no communication possible either way.
Then i got one, but had issues making it work sometimes. Result = probably lots of "abusive communication" flagging, because i very quickly got thrown into hellish servers infested with blatant cheaters, i'm talking literal spinbots.
There were guys that for whatever reason were always pointing the gun straight down except for the instant they shot and killed someone.
It was unreal. All because some trolls had fun report spamming. Quickly left the game never to come back to it.
I can't comprehend how VAC can't pick up on somebody shooting 5 shots of a scout in .1 second.
Because VAC is looking for the program that modifies the game memory/files... If it can't detect that it can't do anything, and that is a lot harder to do than it appears on the surface. As mentioned in the video, VAC does not analyse gameplay.
@krazed0451 while I understand that's what it does, I don't understand why they don't have protocols in place to detect actions that are impossible to replicate on a server without cheating and serve out bans for it. Seems like it should be much easier to detect impossible actions than to search out programs, although they clearly are shit at doing that too
There should be a server side anti cheat as well that analyzes player actions.
It's not hard to catch rapid fire hacks and ban the users.
@@Nipsyyy 100% agree with you, not sure why this hasn't been implemented.
They can, i've seen numerous first hand accounts of cheaters who all state that they rage hack for approximately 1 month before being caught. Not 1 week, not 2 weeks, not varying amounts of time but instead they all get banned after 1 month of cheating. That can only mean 1 thing, valve are intentionally allowing them to cheat for 1 month before banning them. The only explanation for this is that valve are using the data from known cheaters to feed into an AI anticheat, it would also explain why they are radio silent on the cheater problem as openly talking about tactics they are currently using would negatively impact their efforts.
"The game is unplayable at high rating premier"
honestly, the "high rating" is unneccessary, lower rating matchmaking is still horrible for the same reasons xD
Casual is surprisingly cheater free for me
Unfortunately it is infested with idiots lmao
@@malif1279 that's how it is in most games. cheaters will normally target ranked/official servers
The sweet spot seems to be 10k to 17k maybe, those are the ratings I'm hanging around (mostly 13k to 15k though) and I almost don't encounter any cheaters, I can count the cheaters I encountered since getting to this rating on one hand. My trust factor IS really high though.
No on lower everyone is just shit so it's constant accusations but little actual cheaters
@@malif1279lots of cheaters in casual also.
Its a bittersweet to see my clip in here. Glad youre shedding light on these issues, but sad that it has to even get to this point in the first place. Thank Mr Owl
Remember someone saying that online multi-player gaming is going to hit a point where there are so many cheaters, in every game, that the games industry is going to just give up on the concept and we are going to go back to couch co-op and single player experiences being the main style of games. I thought that was ridiculous, but every year it does seems more and more likely we will eventually get there
I love how every single CS content creators just dropped cheating related video in a span of 1 week
I think some of them have been part of Faceit advertisement, bit predatory and false as faecit has cheaters too. Otherwise its also just all you can talk about if you play this crappy matchmaking rn.
@@kavanagharchie This is not really in Faceit's best interest right? They want Valve's matchmaking to remain crap.
@@nandatou to tell everyone it is shit and that there is a 'better' alternative. The amount of videos made about the subject has no bearing on wether Valve can/will fix the issue, the fact that in every video faceit is suggested as an alternative is great marketing, how cpuld you suggest otherwise?
@kavanagharchie it is a good alternative tho. The amount of cheaters on faceit is nothing in comparison to mm.
@@jbawg Never said it wasn't, just saying the fact that alot of these stop playing matchmaking vids came out around the same time is a marketing strategy by faceit( with a little pinch of coincidence too)
For a new overwatch system they should make it possible to report someone for cheating from a replay.
This would reduce over reporting of false positives because if you suspect someone cheating you can wait till the end of the game, rewatch your match and make a much more informed decision if that person was actually cheating.
Been saying this for 10 years that you should be required to open the demo to report someone. Overarching was full of legit players it became pointless to do
@@rauldelgadillo8447 absolutely. false accusations are just bad for the community. And if someone isn't cheating, the accuser might even see how they got outplayed and learn something.
And watching better players and then trying to follow those "pro strats" is a good way to get insight into how to improve. Just like recording your own gameplay and watch it can help spotting situations where you messed up.
90% of games have players using Neverlose or Gamesense, which allows one to spinbot. Every time I try and play on my 16k elo account, I get cheaters, and I derank every match... it's annoying to say the least
You can report people from the demo. What are you on about?
Though even if you are right, people clearly don't know about it, maybe what @rauldelgadillo8447 said would be better then, that people HAVE to watch the replay to report.
Valve needs to make a statement about the cheater problem. Only info we ever get is “fixed missing pixel on vertigo” and “new case/event” players quitting the game isn’t enough they just get replaced by leveling bots, we need youtubers to speak up for us and stop playing and that includes the skintubers. Only way to get Valve to address this is for them to see a major shift in players and community.
now the CS community gets to see how TF2's been for the past 7 years. Valve simply does not care as long as people keep buying keys and SCM items.
Had a very sus guy on enemy team in MM, out of nowhere one of my teammates starts spinbotting and then the aforementioned sus dude also began spinbotting
just turned into an HVH match
Yea been there before
The worst part is you getting falsely accused of cheating, then the enemy rage toggles sigh
No matter the trust factor this is happening to everyone at high elo. There's so few players at 25k+ that it has no choice but to pool everyone and people have given up on reporting/kicking so their trust factor remains high.
@@HitPointX Does reporting/kicking actually reduce your trust factor?
@@tappajaav Yes. Get kicked and reported often enough tanks your trust factor. Other factors like frequent afk and team damage play a role as well.
@@HitPointX The way you framed effect on trust factor was bit ambiguous, but I suppose so was my question.
The reason I asked was to inquire whether report _ing_ or kick _ing_ (as in being on the giving and not receiving side)impacts your rating.
edit. typo
Tf2 has been plagued with hackers for 4 years and valve hasn’t done anything serious to get rid of them, starting to see a trend here.
At least in tf2 it takes majority vote to kick obvious bots or even cheats which is achievable, unlike 2-cheater queues in cs which makes it impossible for them to be removed
TF2 brings no significant profits and hasn't been updated in years, as opposed to CS.
@@karrenliuk even in tf mofos dont kick their obvious cheats
@@karrenliuk What? No, VK cheaters don't even work.
I'd still rather play TF2 than CS2 in its current state right now. Since bots are easily spotted and provided you have more humans than bots you can get rid of them pretty quickly. Or you can just queue for another server.
I am amazed this channel still exists and that the guy doesn’t seem to have aged a day in something like 5 years.
i know. ive bin watching him since 2012. he taught me everything about cs.
The Overwatch system relied on unpaid users doing Valves work for them, much like mods on streaming services or social media. A lot more *could* be done without going full Stasi on your computer, but it would take actual man hours and that's expensive. Cheating is worse than it has to be because companies don't care about the customer, they care about the profit, and there is a much bigger disconnect between those two than people like to imagine.
the dude trying to jump ontop nuke silo meanwhile a whole ass teamfight is happening sent me
to hell?
@@tappajaavto space silly. He is laughing
@@aejiis In space, no one can hear your laughter
@@tappajaav oh, then I guess he died. Up to interpretation where he went then
@@aejiis My guess would be somewhere, or nowhere.
I was an admin during the 1.6 era of Counter-Strike in a small community called Imperium. We used two anti-cheat programs, Cheating-Death and SxE injected. I really miss those days.
Saludos desde Argentina!
I appreciate your work! Admins kept things running.
Seguro jugaste al argentum
@@asdfomfglol en Imperium no solo jugue Argentum, fui miembro de clan imperium en las viejas epocas del "Ao oficial" u ofi ... Año 2001... nos conocimos en un cyber llamado Net&Games y si lo decias por Barrin, despues fui Staff pero en el foro y en el CS hasta que murio. "IAo" nunca jugue pero me encontre a banda de bepis que si jugaban en los servers de Counter. El foro... Los servers de half life, Ragnarok.... Las juntadas en el parque sarmiento Cuantos recuerdos...
"Valve is as bad at making a matchmaking system as Bethesda is at making a game." - TheWarOwl
The state of CS2 is so trash right now. Noone playing legit cant play the game 😞
Valve is asleep at the wheel rn
Bro is beyond trash, its diabolical in southeast asia (singapore server) if u play premier you will have cheater in your match 100% no no 10000% im not even exaggerating.
Most of my games are filled with bots (ai) for a game or 2 until the lobby finally fills. Seems like I only get good lobbies later on in the afternoon.
@@afterhours1337 Literally on Vacation in Hawaii inside their private compound.
you didnt hear the word faceit in this video?
"Valve is big on ethics", meanwhile Teens and potentially even smaller children get addicted to gambling because of their case item randomization.
Lol yeah let's not pretend everyone does this and did it much worse. Valve's case system while not very "ethical" is probably the mildest implementation of cases in videogames
I feel like if small children are messing around playing with too many cases. Valve shouldn’t really be responsible. Maybe, it’s about time the parents stepped in.
@@MrChoklad Well honestly I'd rather this shit be regulated as gambling and be done with it. You want to have loot boxes in your game? Then put an age id verification system in your game.
Oh you need the under 18 crowd to beef up your playerbase? Then too bad take out the lootboxes.
@@IO-_-Ol Forget parents, the dang governments should step in.
@@bulutcagdas1071 I'm sorry man but that doesn't work. How do you verify age? ID? You want people to put their identify info on the game? How is that not a safety concern? There's no practical way of doing this. I'm not saying it's alright, it's not, but it's not as bad as say League of legends
All comes back to officially ran matchmaking being a horrible mistake and community ran server browsers being objectively better.
I had a match that was so vivid. It was the first time me and a friend played CSGO together (I had 200+ hrs, he just started) and I was showing him the ropes. We booted up casual, and I started talking about the cheating problem when there were 3 open aim/spin botters in that game alone. It was a wild experience
watching billy at 7:35 trying to climb up silo was like sticking 9 inch nails to each one of my eyelids.
Do you also happen to like Primus?
The Fragile's pretty goated tho
Eminem this u?
@@luukse1238 grew into him while watching the clip ☠️
Hi kids, do you like violence?
Letting people enable cheats ingame is big brain because it's so easy to detect and ban anyone who does it /s
nah no one that used the exploit got banned its an exploit not a cheat ... eddit : (they only got banned for using it on faceit not the actual game)
if only Valve banned those people. lol
@@un7ucky the people who used the sv_cheat exploit arent the problem, because if they were cheating before they wouldnt need the exploit to wallhack
That’s the one thing I don’t agree with WarOwl on. There was a streamer who just put in the console command to see if it worked and it did. He turned it off in one second. In result he got banned by twitch and face it. Maybe ban the people who abused the command in a competitive game but don’t ban people just for typing it in. You can type whatever else you want into the console
@@sosa3559 While it's unfortunate, at least it shows Twitch and FaceIT did something to try to uphold their ToS, which by the way, Valve not only had cheating as an offense on their TOS for decades but that they recently updated to include smurfing and it has changed absolutely nothing because a ToS means nothing when there's no enforcement
It’s amazing that a company so far into the industry knowing every trick, every nook and cranny of a PC and its softwares can’t make an actual good anti cheat.
They can, but they just don´t want to because of certain factors.
if you think about the things, vac is acctualy the best anti cheat in the market for a few reasons, its priority number one is not invading user privacy and avoiding false vac bans,
other anti cheats like battle eye you can get false banned so easy.
@@gabrielandy9272 Yeah, laighs in AMD Vac ban. Valve´s anti cheat is pathetic and you know it. don´t pretend it to be otherwise.
There are also many geniuses that can't confirm if a program will exit properly or freeze forever. It's called the Halting Problem
@@gabrielandy9272 Never in my life have i been false banned in any game, for any reason
The "best" anti cheat is one that prevents and bans cheaters, you cant say "this is the best car, it has the comfiest seats!"
"VAC is the best anticheat"
"Does it work"
"Well, no, but it doesnt invade your privacy!"
"uhhuh."
-playing matchmaking with 2 friends
-the 2 randoms are a duo
-one of them kills my friend
-we kill him
-he starts rage hacking
-we cant kick him
-we box him in and drop him molotovs
-HE THROWS ONE
-he gets kicked, we kick his duo
VAC Net became sentient and decided it was sick of our garbage
Sounds like a solution an AI would come up with
"Solve the cheating problem, we need the game to be fair"
*Gives everyone cheats making the game fair*
I will never understand cheating - the fun of a multiplayer game is outplaying your opponent, and I seriously don't see how cheating could be fun or enjoyable. It's crazy, honestly.
They are frustrated because they are bad at the game and they think because of the Cheats they outplay the enemies and get the same feeling as described by you
its even worse when the cheaters try to hide their hacks, blatant cheaters know what they are doing and love it because they love to ruin other people's fun, valve not giving them consequences just fuels them, but the ones who try and minimize their hacks to make themselves believe they are better is just sad. not even within counterstrike thats just a sad life honestly
@@philippmaack5375 There are people who legit enjoy ruining the game for other people. Look at what the cheaters say when called out. They talk shit. They are asshole losers.
@@Psych1_- that's correct, also they even try to justify to themselves as it's just a child's video game but in truth most of cheaters lack empathy.
@@philippmaack5375 But you dont get anywhere near the same amount of dopamine rush.. So they are brain dead? or just accept a lower bar for happiness?
Cheating for advantage in CS is like taking viagra for a blow-up doll.
Hey, WarOwl! Will you do a Condition Zero expert smokeless playthrough in the meantime?
It actually is full of cheating, I’m a decent skilled player, I have a few alt accounts and on those alts I have noticed so many cheaters, I was so convinced it wasn’t that bad and they weren’t cheating just good players when I watched demo it was evident, what a shame
Yeah, because they're low trust factor smurfs.
@@lukasg4807Trust factor ain't even a thing anymore bro..
@@JasonPikachuit is but the game is just so full of cheaters it doesnt matter
@@JasonPikachulast time i played the game i had silvers in my games as an LEM and a blatant wall hacker on my team that was so bad he was still bottom fragging even when i reported him he never got banned cause he was so bad 😂 aint never playing csgo again money grab game
you are also a part of the problem. Smurfing is such a dick move
I quit three months ago because of two cheaters who were just bhopping to our spawn and then killing us in a split second, but not only that - after eleven rounds of that mess, they surrendered.
That was my limit, and I've been playing this game for fifteen years. I was hoping CS2 would bring some new anti-cheat stuff, but nope, nothing.
Hahaha owned. Valve doesn’t care about you btw
Suggesting that Riot's anti cheat is better is actually pretty superficial. There are so many workarounds, and, as you pointed out, the homegrown cheats are also not detected. Vanguard only goes after the mass detected cheats just like VAC. The only difference is that they do more ban rounds. Valorant actually has a huge problem with triggerbots, which are undetectable even by Vanguard. They're not as powerful as a full blown cheat is, but ragehacking doesn't get you far anyway, so triggerbots work great for semi-experienced players to fly under the radar.
Even worse actually; the newest on mass cheats on the market to get around the Vanguard system are selling like hot cakes.
"Typing rosebud into the sims" lmao I forgot about this it felt like time travel to hear
It's actually reached a level where I can't have fun playing. I've been hooked on this game for almost a decade, and in that time I haven't found any other game I enjoy to the same level. I also have had a hard time pulling myself away from the game for more than a couple of days at a time. It's been a week since I played CS, and that was only to get my weekly drop. It was another week before that. I'm not even missing it. Valve has to come up with a solution. All the "dead game" memes because of other games coming out were stupid, but this very well could actually kill Counterstrike. I want to come back, but at this point I need a reason to return, not a reason to leave.
The game is dead lil bro move on, have sex
I found my own solution. I stopped playing competitive multiplayer games 😂😂😂
try games made by companies that care like Riot, you would be surprised.
we finally switched to faceit and had the best CS time in months
@@asdfomfglollmao are you serious
Even without any cheater, the new player experience, not only in CS2 but in pretty much all popular "arena-style" online shooters, is horrendous.
That's because everybody else has infinitely more experience than you, and you have literally no chance. It's like a beginner chess player going to a grandmaster level tournament. The skill level difference is completely ridiculous. You'll just get killed instantly, again and again, and you'll have no chance.
It's by far the main reason why I don't play those games. They are nonsensical.
WarOwl will get a closer before Valve implements a working anticheat.
The bigger problem with kernel level anti cheats isn't the creator abusing the power, but the massive surface area it opens up for potential backdoors into your PC. If someone discovers a vulnerability they now have complete access to the PC of everyone who plays the game
All of this is true, but sadly, it seems like kernel level anti-cheat is the only way to have a decent experience. Cheating has gotten to a point where it's entirely undetectable by less intrusive methods.
@@qu1253 well... yeah, but CS2 have a lot of options before turning to the kernel level AC. At the current state it doesn't even detect blatant spinbots and 5 headshots done in a split second. :|
Also, I don't think Valve will ever go with kernel level, not only because of what was pointed out, but also because of SteamDeck (Linux).
Yea 100%
Sure, it's good when it's working, but unlike csgo cheating where if one person figures out how to hack, it's whatever
In valorants case, if 1 person cracks that shit the entire network og players goes bye-bye
no the biggest problem is that cheats can go kernel level too...this requires zero exploits and will just happen(already has really.)
Also kernel level cheats can be detected from userland, there's nothing magic about kernel level that makes it unobtainium, its just a dangerous place to be working in where something going wrong can affect the entire system.
@@wittywolk Then their games will continue to be a cheaters paradise.
It is crazy to me that they removed all the anti-cheat systems from CSGO. Not only did they not improve the AC, they freaking removed core parts of it altogether. Mindboggling incompetence.
There is someone in CS2 management who is mentally ill
They essentially rebuilt csgo on source 2 for cs2. It wouldn't have worked well/at all
crate selling program
I dont think source 1 anti-cheat could work for source 2. its probably gonna mess up anyway since its a new engine
@@DarchrowTheEnigma It's almost like they should've had an improved anticheat in its place for the follow-up title...
Hey Warowl, im 38 Years old and i Play CS for like 20 Years. Played on Release of CS2 very active on FaceIT Europe until i reached around 2.6k Elo. Problem is Cheaters in Faceit too. Brand New Accounts with 70% Winrates on rougly 300 Games and stuff. Obviously there is a big cheating problem on Faceit. One thing Developers shouldnt forget is that Accountselling is the Problem here. Bad Players and Cheaters buy high Elo accounts for playing and all of these Accounts get boosted by Cheaters. The majority of these Boosters are people from 3rd World Countrys or Countrys with high poverty Rates. They dont care a single bit about destroying a game so its up to the Game developers to place the hardest Anticheat possible to save it from dying.
Csgo is cursed.
I had red trustfactor on my main when it came out without reason.
No team dmg kills kicks or leaving.
No cheating or other advantages ever in any game.
I moved countries tho and then it happend.
After years it got fixed and then i got banned probably because i got hacked via black ops 2 rce exploit but still.
And now on my second account i just get non-stop cheaters in every match.
So i quit when cs2 came out and was trash.
CS:GO then: An amazing FPS with actual strats and super popular
CS2 now: A gambling site with in-game modes to show off your expensive pixels
had been saying this since like 2016 but skins and the people that it attracted are a pest on humanity who dont deserve a coffin
expensive hacks**
dont act like csgo wasnt filled with cheaters now.
CSGO at the same time last year was nowhere near as bad as CS2 is now in terms of cheaters, not even close.
CSGO was litterally a gambling simulator as well. Don't be dishonest. It's not an amazing game neither. Both are overated garbo.
When I first read that EF academy players were banned for 2 years I thought it was too much for poor kids. But then I found out that they are 20+ years old. Deserved
If you're young enough that you shouldn't be punished severely for cheating, then you're too young to be playing online games anyway.
@@TheBestcommentor That's a fine line. I wouldn't give 15 year old kid huge bonk from banhammer, and they're absolutely old enough to play online games.
they went on ohnepixel stream, the 2 guys with another guy called ngin. a turkish german
"pro". he played with gobb back then and stuff. but they explained cause they thought the
other team using the command they used it themselves, and that is bsically prisoners dilemma.
you cant just do it, cause somebody else does it.
Majority of cheaters i usually see in my lobbies are from Turkey, and so many of them take pride in that when called out as well..
I am Turkish myself and I am ashamed of this.
lol, I never knew about the trust factor thingy, guess that's why I didn't encounter many cheaters and always thought it was weird how so many complained about it...
I was an overwatch participant during CSGO. Viewed hundreds and hundreds of demos, and most of them were blatant spinbotters, with the occasional "is this guy walling or just good?" that required xray mode and a little bit of paying attention. It was only toward the last 2 years or so of csgo that I started to watch more subtle cheats that actually took a second to evaluate or required going back and watching a second time. The point is that the detection was getting good. It went from only showing blatant spinbotters bunnyhopping at max speed to eventually showing people whose recoil was just a little bit too unnaturally good with flicks more accurate than s1mple or jks on their best day, but not so consistent as to be robotic. We went from a system like that, where I could reliably expect to see an overwatch case every time I opened the game, and eventually expect to actually have to investigate the cheater because it required me to do so, to no system at all.
To play devil's advocate for a second, I can understand why valve might be hesitant to implement a system like overwatch in cs2 straight away, even if it were possible to just port the learning models and infrastructure straight over, which I assume it isn't. It would probably result in a lot of false positives with a new game, a new playerbase, and new cheats. But that just means you'd weed out the inaccurate overwatch demo viewers, not ban people who didn't deserve it. So idk, I don't think there's a particularly compelling argument for them not having a similar or at least equivalent in detection success system in place for cs2.
what sucks is this isnt just a cs problem, its a multiplayer fps problem. literally every fps game, especially the competitive ones, have a serious cheating problem right now. Sure its always been an issue but ive never experienced such wide spread cheating in every multiplayer fps game I love playing. it like the new generation of gamers just default to downloading or writing cheats without trying to play the game naturally for some reason. I would compare it to the issue of professional athletes using substances to out compete they're opponents. as time progresses the drugs/cheats become more effective, more specific and unfortunately harder to detect. The state of competition in the modern age is a complete shit show and its a damn shame.
valorant literally exists, he talked about it, its much better
Valorant has never had cheating problem and still doesn't
The Finals was full of cheaters at launch and they completely eradicated them within a couple of months
Stop inhaling copium for valve, cs2 cheating problem is worse than any other competitive shooter
@@goochipoochie the finals has ~20k players during peak time. The only thing they eradicated is their playerbase.
Many games have kernel anti cheat, this is not as big of a deal as you might think
Indeed, i felt the vague increase of cheaters in most fps games over the years.
Some years weren't as bad when it came to cheaters. But now because cheaters making others mad who in turn also start cheater is a problem we can't fix.
They keep multiplying and ruining people's games/ruining the games themselves. (Remember Call of Duty cheating issues)
Never clicked a WarOwl video faster in my life. Highly agree, I think CS2 needs more anti cheat functionality.
Whatever happened to that fancy AI anti-cheat they bragged about? Was that just false advertising?
@@qu1253no and they were going to make an announcement for it which was canned.
They are going forward with the AI anti cheat in the near future, that's how Valve is going to do it. Not with invasive crap that doesn't even work.
@@qu1253its probably not ready yet. Plus it aint just cs. Online gaming as a whole is at risk currently. Every single game that has any pvp or competitive aspect gets flooded with cheaters now days. Something big needs to happen for the entire industry or online gaming will be dead.
@@TheHollowBlade That's where you're wrong. The cheating epidemic hasn't affected profits or user engagement. Millions of people still play CS2, Apex, Tarkov, etc. despite them all being infested with cheaters.
@@qu1253 but the issue is getting worse by the day.. eventually people are going to have a breaking point where the experience just wont be fun or worth it anymore if you are a player who is legit but casual. I give it 4-6 years. If not good anticheats are provided shit will take a massive hit.
"CS is the chess of video games"
It's true, one of my teammates admitted to using a buttplug while playing.
Have you SEEN those fire case opening animations. Helllls yeah
Mr War Owl, i just watched uour video where you play left handed and it got me thinking what you might think of the Azeron controller as a video idea?
If you already have tried it, then I might have missed it in your library.
If not, i think it could be interesting to see your perspective.
"i dont wanna think about that stuff... i just wanna play some counter strike" that hit home in a way i did not expect it to
It's the same for me bro, I'm really sad.
it's like facing the end of a long relationship with your life partner. you don't want to end it, but you have to in order to continue. and i'm still in the denial phase. as far back as i can remember playing on computers against other people, it was Half-Life Counter strike. that was 24 fucking years ago.
It's not just high elo premier, it's every rank and in comp too. Spin botters, blatant aim bots, and wall trackers, constantly. It's just sad that people are so selfish
Jesus, thank you for making a statement on this. The game is so unplayable and its borderline depressing. I just want my game back :(
we've had decent cheat protection for years, and yet CS2 feels like the first ever online game.
Really missing CSGO at this moment. I had high trust factor and my rank was perfectly calibrated to give me challenging but fun matches. Now it's either cheaters on Valve servers or weird Faceit matches with players ranging in skill from silver to semi-pro.
im the silver, went from 250 fps to 100 in cs2 which i cap at 60, unplayable and unfun, valve needs a reality check possibly even via bombthreats. also who the f says "stop complaining" when they straight up massacared the csgo community
@@vackor "needs a reality check possibly even via bombthreats"
what is wrong with you?..
@@vackor bomb threats dude? you should be in a hospital. you need the reality check here.
@@ex3529 report bro for promoting terrorism.
ye, CSS2 is a joke of a game and is utter garbage compared to CSGO. Only good thing CSS2 has added are the new weapon models (even though the skins don't even work on them yet). The problem for Valve is that if they had released CSS2 separate to CSGO, no one would play CSS2. CSGO is just vastly superior. If we had the choice I'm sure only valourant kiddes would still play CSS2.
Real talk, people SHOULDN'T play on face it either. Playing on Faceit enables valve to be lazy and let the community do the work instead of doing something about it themselves, which they should do considering its THEIR game THEY make millions of dollars a month on. They OWE it to the playerbase to give them a quality experience.
I said this on reddit and people immediately said that "so I should just suffer with cheaters?". such stupid illiterate kids
Shouldn't need to*
Like if faceit is cheat free lmao. If anything,faceit cheaters are the best at hiding it
Stop buying cases and skins and they might do something about it. Otherwise why bother, they are still getting paid
@@carlosgaleotegandara7812Yes cause DMA costs a helluva lot to buy
Genuinely lost my last braincells while watching this combination of the worst cheaters ever recorded😂😂
When you said "all the footage you have been seeing", I thought: Wasn't his entire video just his facecam? I definitely did not look at the video footage i realized
Counter Strike 2 means twice as many cheaters
Two major things you missed, 1st: because pretty much all anti-cheats are closed source, having so many machines with what is essentially a rootkit installed makes a large amount of people very vulnerable to attack and relying on the company to disclose this.
2nd: Valve has always been a turnkey company, they have always wanted the community to do the work and they just provide the tool set, I think as long as the market for cases is strong the incentive to spend time fixing the glaring problems is not a priority. Just look at their history, until it effects their bottom line, they do not care.
A major thing you missed is almost all the programs you have are closed sourced. Whether it be steam, discord, CS2 etc. They’re all one bad update away from your PC and millions others being compromised. It relies on the company to ensure that doesn’t happen.
But somehow vanguard is worse because… kernel level? kernel level just allows for more direct control of the hardware and software. You don’t need kernel level to steal your data, install ransomware etc. It’s truly irrelevant in terms of security.
@@paroxysm6437 It's funny how many games with bad code, like titanfall or CoD, have resulted in attackers being able to RCE while kernel ac has never been exploited, but these people still come out of nowhere anytime "kernel ac" is mentioned to larp as security experts and cry about computer security and vulnerabilities.
@@Johnsmithhjoe If I was into conspiracies I'd say these people are probably cheating themselves 🤔
I think you missed a key part in the Valorant Vanguard discussion: "If a company like Riot did abuse the access and they got caught that would be gg all trust would be lost...". The risk is that they made a mistake in that code and a program or attack can leverage that to do more damage to someone due to the kernel-level driver/anti-cheat.
But I'm a security conscious developer and I gave up after a bit of resistance; said screw it, and did install Valorant on a past PC. And I've used FACEIT. The point that most people don't care is accurate. The reality is people will accept these things!
“Valve is good on ethics” LOL ethics doesn’t cover enabling and promoting underage gambling addictions then i guess
7:43 It is totally legit to think that large corporations won't abuse this power, but you don't take into account that other malicious actors can abuse the system.
what youre not taking into account is that kernel level is completely irrelevant and legitimately just propaganda. you dont need kernel level access to take over your PC. if a malicious actor gained access to steam or just the game - they could easily infect your PC through a malicious update. you dont need kernel level to steal your data, take over your PC.
@@paroxysm6437 no, i think what the drulex9816 means is that if there was a bug or a vulnerability in kernel anti cheat you could get in more easily. its literally unsafe to have some 3rd party software running ALWAYS when your computer is turned on
@@paroxysm6437 You're right and it is also false that Riot has the access to your entire computer, it's not what "kernel level" means and it doesn't work this way. The fact that someone with 1.5M subscribers spreads this kind of misinformation is just awful, dude just reiterated all the nonsense in one breath without even attempting to check whether it's true or not
large corporations wont abuse except for ESEA (they mined crypto on people's computers)
@@seta_samuli2759 well... they abused it to mine bitcoin, and then they only made $3,713 off of the bitcoin, but had to pay millions in lawsuits, with some still pending, meaning they are in a way worse spot than they were before. That was kinda the point; if they *do* abuse it, it fucks them over severely.
Really disappointed by Valve. They let the issue go on for so long that at this point it's almost common knowledge that premier/mm is HvH without consquences. This is really disappointing for someone (like me) who loves CS. They let my favourite game become a cheater infested shitfest.
"there will always be cheating in any game" i think Warlow forgot about Rocket league
i quit playing csgo and sold my skins and karambit doppler because of cheating. ccant stand it
"I think if riot abused the trust..."
Nope. Gameguard is kernel level and got hacked. Nobody remembers, cares, and people still use it 'til this day.
vanguard is spyware confirmed riot is owned by a chinese company called tencent notorious for stealing info although nobody cares wow
You have a source? Anyone can make a comment saying anything. Having a source would help people reading what you write 'care' more
esea litteraly had a bitcoin miner back in the day and people still use it, at least riot actually has a reputation to harm if they deliberately damaged people's computers
@@GeeNo_ my windows defender detected gameguard as a virus, soooo...
lol
@@GeeNo_you can't link sources in UA-cam comments. Links just get auto-deleted.
tf2 be like "first time?"
Cs community is just lucky valve doesn’t have a shinier cash machine. Otherwise they’d do the same thing they did to tf2. Just leave it for dead milking the remaining community ☠️
Thing is, Valve tried to kill tf2 for years straight anyway, so our reaction at this point is pretty much "Well, it's a damn shame they don't care about this old ass game anymore," while CS2 is just fresh out of release and already treated like this
@@Ervonesque as bad as csgo had it, at least over the years they introduced alternative methods in which they tried to approach the cheater problem. Maybe the same will follow up in cs2, given enough years that is
The whole Community: Valve we have a massive cheating problem! Valve: That's sad. Anyway..
I've played a total of 5 Ranked matches (since they killed CSGO) and every single one had a Cheater. Kinda sad, CSGO had cheaters but I've personally never really experienced that all to often in almost 2k hrs. RIP CSGO
Had an enemy tell us in chat that he could see one of our teammates had cheats through the same cheat client. Thought they were just trash talking then the enemy raged on us in the warmup. The dude on our team didn't say anything and after we got botted for two rounds he just types "okay fucker i was just trying to chill" then proceeded to spinbot the rest of the game. Got the win. Felt like a loss. Sucks to see
when one UA-camr starts it, they all follow suit for content. About time you made this. thanks.
You are such a legend WarOwl. So Happy you re part of the community
"I'm valve, and I still have no anti-cheat."
"Valve is big on ethics" I don't know about that one lmao. If they were "big on ethics" then they would've shutdown the whole gambling scene thats been going on in CS for years.
What does gambling have to do with ethics ?
Also gambling with skins you can own is in no way anywhere as evil as paying for skins you DO NOT OWN and cannot resell (which is the industry standard for all other games)
@@goochipoochie Bait used to be believable.
@@goochipoochie i was referring more to Valve's lack of action against third party gambling sites that are targeting children
@@afterhours1337 same deal as bots on tf2, you cut off one head of the hydra 2 more pop up so dealing with it would probably be a waste of resources. Atleast the market for the cs skins are pretty well made so not everyone jumps to gambling/3rd party seller sites
@@afterhours1337 Valve isn't responsible to parent your children lol
They even removed the replay feature in casual, where you could easily detect if your opponent used a cheat to kill you...
the solution is play community servers like everyone did for years
matchmaking and its consequences have been disasterous to multiplayer videogames
I've found that on community servers (on older games) it's just as bad if not more insidious.
The anti-cheat systems are no longer updated and they're abandoned by the company so people don't get caught that way.
Then the hosts of the community servers often have a discord channel where they have paid VIP's/donations... which gives them a strong incentive to allow hackers that have donated (plus the server owner and their friends often hack as well).
Because it's an older game there are limited community servers (depending on where you live) so you can't just join a different server.
how would they do over watch now cos you used to have to be a higher rank would you have to get ranked on every map to do it or would it be off premier but the cheaters are at the higher rank
RIP road to Global
I mean even rage hackers can't get to global now lol. I think the best rank is like LEM right now and the ones have it are spinning in their match with 99% win rate
Global doesn't exist.
I stopped that series immediately because the ranking system was broken, I was waiting for them to fix it to jump back in.
@@TheWarOwl and unfortunately its still broken because no one in comp is above gn2/3
I recently started playing again with my friends, its been frustrating how many toxic teammates we have or cheaters we play against. Its a solid 50/50 at this point, no spinbots but obvious walls.
Hope something happens soon
Completely agree. Played CS2 yesterday, casual, got 3 cheaters on the opposing team, probably one on my. With OBVIOUS cheats. Love the game, but it is unplayable at times... And adding "new" old maps would not resolve it...
Trustfactor should kind of work like the sportsmanship rating system in Gran Turismo. It stars of high and then if you are toxic or cheat it will get tanked. This way new players have a chance.
Considering the game is free, there's pretty much nothing stopping cheaters to constantly create new account to pollute the high trust-factor matches.
@@cyansuy3062 Yes, but imagine it would also go by commendations and you wouldn't start in the highest trustfactor.
@@cyansuy3062 you start at low trust factor when make a new account, for the new players that sucks but it is what it is
@@ElPabloDelDiablo that would be the dumbest implementation, there's a thing called a commend bot
@@ElPabloDelDiablo Basing it by commendation is dumb. As the other guy said, there are bots. But there's also the fact that no one ever commend. Personally, I've played for 7+ years and commended 1 person, which was an exceptional case.
Most people don't commend because most people don't care or even know it exists
you are the fourth yt that quit cs2 premier! (that i saw)
you are totally right, it's like a protest for a good thing
"Right now we could use an Overwatch 2... but maybe call it something different" absolutely killed me.
7:44 - well the main problem isn't that a legit company will abuse the ability to access your data. The biggest problem is that they could introduce a bug, that would enable hackers to easily get full control over your machine. The less highly privileged code - the lower the probability for introducing some vulnerability.
I don't understand why people still don't care about Vanguard. It's a literal spyware and people keep playing it without saying anything, I'm just speechless
@@avannah6735I think people don't believe these things are as dangerous as they are. I don't want it to be a massive malware to infect millions of PCs for people to get scared, but it looks like that's the only way. In the same way that dude during COVID-19 hacked into people smart printers and printed warnings about how easy it is to get to someone's wifi network via one of these machines.
@@avannah6735 Your average casual player neither cares about it nor really understands what it is and a lot of tech-savvy gamers just want to play the game and accept it
The possibility of an exploit being found in a kernel level driver is what scares me the most, it's not about what the company can do to my PC, it's what a bad actor could do with an exploit.
@avannah6735 how do you play the game without a monitor, keyboard, mouse, controller, graphics card, motherboard, ram, cpu?
Those all have kernel drivers, among many more things in your computer. If you want to play a game without kernel drivers, you'd just be staring at your case.
Don't play it, don't buy skins, don't buy kits, i already stopped 1 week before the streamers, until valvoline fixes their shit for real
Its not just valve. The epidemic is everywhere. Every pvp shooter game, and even some co op games. Its sad but the downfall of video games is going to be done not by the developers, but by the players.
@@xSintex mate even pubg at its peak with the chinese didn't have 5% of the cs2 cheaters today
Valvoline? My man ain't no motor oil company running CS XD
@@Ferrari255GTOYou prefer Volvo?;p
@@St0RM33 i mean, volvo is a fucking cool brand and anyone who says otherwise doesn't actually know about them, if anything valvoline would fit better because it's less reputable than our kings from sweden