What a slick way to solve a problem. I am a revolver guy and for some reason break-top pistols have always held an attraction for me. The S&W perfected in 44 special to me is the perfect pistol. The Webley MkVI to me is right there except for the inability to handle 45 acp pressures. My dream gun is a breaktop made to modern standards in 45 Colt capable of handling +P loads. Anyway, thanks for the video Mike. As always it was very well explained and your innovation is to be complimented.
Hi, In Britain before the Pistol Ban (Introduce by Tony Blair) in 1997, we had a large following of people shooting the .455 cartridge. We were obtaining off hand sub 1” groups at 20 yards. We also had many competitions with these revolvers and the Webley Fosbury Automatic Revolvers. The way that we found to make them shoot was to use a hollow based bullet. This design would obdurate the base of the bullet as it entered the barrel. The chamber exit hole was smaller in diameter than the barrel so the use of a plane based bullet was just inaccurate. It was easy to obtain the correct size cases either by using Fiochi once fired cases, Mountain and Snowden made the Mk II cases, finding original cases, Imperial made this ammunition and I believe that some of the American Manufactures used to make it. The hollow based bullet was another matter. The easiest way was to swage your own with many Manufactures supplying the dies for this. I note that you were using flat based bullets in your test. RCBS made a mould for the 265 grain Hollow based bullet. Sized to .454 dia. These proved to be good. The ‘Man Stopper’, Mk III & IV, named thus for obvious reasons. These were normally made in the weight range of 200 to 220 grains, both in the flat nose and the hollow based and hollow nosed designs. You guys went down the butchering of the rear of the cylinder route, so you could use the Auto-rim cases or the moon clips. Thus you could re-load the ammunition using available components. Unfortunately, you used .452” diameter bullets and wondered why you could not obtain the desired accuracy. I hope that this is of some help to you all. Please feel free to contact me if you require any more information on firing the .455” Webley or the competitions that we shot with them. Personally, I consider that this revolver was the very best military revolver ever made.
2771 Hi there, good morning. You are quite right about the Webley Mk V. One competition which we used to run was the Classic Service Revolver Class A, for over .4 Cal. Service revolvers. This was shot at 20 yards with an opening six rounds shot in 30 seconds and it was Shot first strong handed six rounds and then the next, shot weak handed and the gun score, minus the number of seconds taken to fire the six shots The South London Rifle Club had another competition where you fired at an advancing target and you fired left handed and hat a service sword in the right hand, held at the point! Great fun, but all stopped by Tony Blair to help him get elected. Never trust a politician.
We have a saying here in the southern United States. Politicians and diapers should be changed often, and for the same reason. I wish i could find a good Webley revolver at a good price. I would even settle for an Enfield copy of the MK4, but those sell for over 450$.
As a matter of historical accuracy the 455 Webley was outlawed in the UK by the legislation proposed in 1996 following the Dunblane massacre and enacted in February 1997 under the Conservative government. Later that year a Labour amendment to the bill extended the handgun ban to include .22 pistols.
Finally! the voice of reason from England! Mr. Valentine you are entirely correct about the issues with Webley .455 revolvers here in these United States! Bullet DIAMETER was and is the issue. I was amazed about the foolishness of using .45acp bullets .451/452 to obviously greater dimensions! Your point about hollow based bullets is excellent as well. Personally I always felt the Webley "manstopper" Bullet to be an outstanding Idea for Revolver cartridges provided they had the necessary energy to penetrate sufficiently. Finally I lament the closing of Webley/Scott and thought , with modern metalurgy the idea of bringing back the Webley design. Also as a personal noet it breaks my heart about England and the UK surrendering to the foolish left! I decend from a famous Pilgrim and I,m even Kin to Henry the eighth! Recall Lord Davies and Wickham Steed asking Americans to send a Gun to defend a british Home during ww2? "gun control" In Britain as you are aware came from the fear of the Ruling Class about a possible Marxist Uprising.
I have owned my 455 Webley automatic revolver for 52 years and have always shot 45acp military HB ammo with the half moon clips. I know I have shot over 5,000 HB round in it and never a problem. I purchased the ammo and gun from a pawn shop that closed in Ark City,KS in 1962. Never had a problem with it. But will from now on shoot only light hand loads,if I ever shoot it again as I have not fired it in 10-12 years. Thank You for shuch a great UA-cam site and always enjoy your videos. Sincerely Errol Stuck in SW Missouri with hope of moving on soon.
I an unshaved Webley MK VI that's been sitting in my mother-in-law's closest for 50 years - the spring was broken but I got it fixed and hope to fire soon - it was her father's pistol while in WWI fighting for the Canadians
Back in the early 50's these were the armament personnel issue to the armoured tank corp in Australia. The larger stronger diggers (some of them) could handle them, but us smaller blokes thought if the enemy ever got close enough to hit them it would be better to throw the bloody thing at them, it would be more accurate and do as much damage. Since 1967 I have been a member of Pistol clubs and have shot many different weapons of many different calibers, a few years ago I shot the Webley again and could not handle it. Not a gun for me.. But I dips my lid to you big fellow, masterful shooting.
I used to manage the logistics for the TF-41 jet aircraft engine, which was jointly manufactured by Detroit Diesel Allison and Rolls Royce. So I'm familliar with the British concept of interchangeable parts...But I'm still hoping for the best...
I’m so jealous I have always wanted to own a 455 Webbly oh my God I want one so bad but I’ve never been able to find a good one or afford one a good one so you are the man sir I’ll tell you that right now you’ve made my day me watching you shoot this 45 ACP Webbly but man you made my day one day I hope to get one thank you sir
not even sure what i was searching for this time but stumbled on this one and just wanted to say well done ,,what a great fix for the situ you found yourself in , cheers big ears
I have a 1918 Webley .455 here in New Zealand. Unaltered and unshaved. I think perhaps a Commonwealth soldier brought it home and stuck it in a drawer for most of its life!
duelist 1954 very interesting video the other cartridge it took. in 455 was fmj and Webley manstopper flatnosed bullet with a hollowcup I have some boy they do some holes and good job for ban the idiot we don't need that childish behaviour
Neat gun and good ingenuity on the cylinder fix. Also nice that you can still use it with either round. It is rather nice to see things not always going according to plan and then a fix for it.
I have an unshaved Mark VI in excellent shape that is totally stock. I just give it a steady diet of Fiochi and Hornady ammo. She's sure a tack driver. I keep the brass for reloading and have a few hundred custom casted 262 and 265 grain rounds for when all the ammo runs dry. I have over a 1000 rounds see still of the original caliber. The easiest way to tell if they're shaved to to simply look at the back of the cylinder. The uncut models like mine have obvious proofing stamps on the rear of the cylinder. Every shaved one I have seen is missing these because they get milled off during modification.
The knowledge, experience, and talent that you have when it comes to firearms is always Impressive and that makes no your UA-cam channel above the rest in UA-cam channels about guns. Thanks for an awesome video.
I have one that has been passed down in my Family. The hinge point in the hammer had a casting flaw and broke apparently on the first fire. The gun had always been out of service until one day on the internet I found an original NOS hammer. I was told by a gunsmith that he believed the gun had never been fired. Now all fixed I hope someday to get some ammo and take it out for a shoot.
Michael Matchett though I don't know all that much about reloading in the since of crafting bullets maybe you can have gun smith custom make them for you sorry if I sound like an amateur I love and enjoy weapons I just haven't study things like bullet crafting as much as I should
Several years ago I bought a Webley Mk IV. The bird's head grip version. Cylinder on that one was shaved as well. However, .45 AutoRim cases work just fine. So I loaded up some of those cases with loads I found for a .455 Webley. The original loading used a 265 grain bullet, I use a 255 grain .45 Colt bullet. Original dimensions of bullet for .45 Colt are .454" and some later bullets are .452" (same as .45 ACP for convenience. The Webley schematic sheet shows bullet diameter of .456" so pressure should not be increased and accuracy is acceptable. I endorse the warning about NOT USING .45 ACP ammunition as issued or sold. The Webley wea designed for a markedly lower pressure cartridge. But there's a trap here. One can fire the .45 ACP cartridge in the Webley and it will not blow up on the first shot. This can give a false sense of security. The cylinder is not the weak part. The 'latch' holding the gun closed is what is going to fail. The stress and wear on the latch is cumulative; it will fail after an undetermined number of shots.
Hi Mike, took my "shaved" webley to the range with expensive.455 factory reloads .Didnt dare try regular 45acp after some research. Sure, I was having light hammer strikes and missfires ..A old range duff came over and he just tilted the pistol back every shot and it made enough contact with the primers where it started firing pretty consistently . Works in a pinch.
I have a 1917 made, refurbished in 1940 Webley. Low velocity loads for the .45 auto rim cases with lead bullets work best. But 5/16"x 7/16" x 1/16" nitrile "O" -rings on the .455 case takes up the gap of the shaved cylinder & works fine for recreational shooting. I also opened the chamber mouths to .452" from the original .450" to reduce chamber pressure and allow for .451" 45 acp\ auto rim bullets.
When I was trying to study civil war guns ( I am a total civil war buff) I didn't really enjoy that channel that was hickhock something, and then I found this channel! And I keep seeing people offend you, but don't listen to them! You have a gift with guns. And a great channel!
Hickok45 is a very educational channel, he shoots all types of guns, and gives you a history lesson with some of them. He even does civil war guns if that's your passion! Sic Semper Tyrannis ;)
TheGreatFatsby 93 Yes, but Hickok is not as knowledgeable in depth as Mike. Mike has made his career off of this sort of content, for Hickok, it’s a hobby.
Hi MIke, Your old shipmate from SPCC/NAVICP days...a few weeks back I bought a 1918 Webley Mk VI at the Dulles gun show...I had been shooting the .38s (Webley and Enfield), but wanted the big gun...so, I wanted to see what was on youtube and your channel popped up --- very helpful, since I am not a reloader and would like to shoot the .455 ammo...now all I need is some moon clips and my dremmel tool...thanks for the great info. Mark Harnitchek
Mike: FYI I am working with a gunsmithing company in West Virginia that is seriously exploring how to restore these revolvers to fire .455 Webley with a permanent fix. If interested I can share the details with you when they are past the prototype stage. Tool room samples just arrived today.
Blake, Did you miss the part where I said this was done by importers in the 1940s and early 1950s? These guns have been in the country like this for 60 years.
Having a shaved cylinder Webley may detract from its collector value, but as a shooting piece, it does (with your modification) have the versatility of firing two different calibers.
It was both of them to gather votes for the impeding General Election. It was the Scottish Nationalists who first came up with the idea (another vote catcher). Labour knowing that they needed the Scottish Vote to get into power, decided that this was a good idea that if they wanted to hold on to the Scottish Vote, they must join them. The Tories just wanted to ban the calibres above .22. It was Blair who said that on leaving office (thank goodness he did), said that we should not have them in the first place. You will NEVER get good accuracy out of a .455 Webley unless you use hollow base bullets because of the cylinder forcing cone being smaller than the barrel. Use a Lead bullet and a hollow bace. RCBS makes a mould for it, or swage them.
Great innovation and I wonder if you could cut that moon clip up and solder it to the cylinder or have small shallow screws tapped into it to hold it in place? I have experience with both cut and uncut guns and replacement cylinders are a nice accessory if you can find them. Awesome video as usual and shows how handloading is a critical part of the shooting hobby.
Great Video! I like the idea of fabricating a spacer plate to allow shooting of the original 455 ammo. i see a lot of colt New Services that were orginally made in 455 and then converted to 45 ACP. A spacer plate might work for those guns as well. Anyways as always great video!
I made a rough version of a spacer that works perfectly in my Mk4 Webley. My fabrication process still needs some improvement but I may try making some production models to test out.
Very cool. I love Webley revolvers especially in .455, had some converted and some in .455 only own one now could kick myself but is a commercial maker's revolver Mark IV and converted. I use auto rim loaded with 265 gr .455 bullets loaded to origional .455 pressures/ballistics must see if I can get some of those full moons done up like you showed. Bad guy view last thing he ever saw, great shooting as well on your part. Really enjoyed this and have watched it several times. Hooe your cylinder worked or a gunsmith could make things work.
Regular factory .45 ACP is fine in your 1917 because it was made for .45 ACP. THe Webley was made for .455 Webley and needs to fire cartridges under 15,000 PSI. Factory .45 ACP runs 18,000 PSI and +P runs 21,000 PSI. A steady diet of those will damage a Webley.
I had the same problem with my shaved cylinder Webley Mk.VI Revolver. I decided to use handloads, with .45 auto-rim brass and .452, 230 grain, RN lead bullets. 4 grains of Unique.
Always wanted a pair of these with the shaved cylinders for 45acp. One under each arm in a leather holster similar to Bruce Willis’s rig in last man standing. Always loved break open revolvers. Wish they made affordable reproductions of these. To much mill work to be affordable now days I would suspect.
When I buy unshaved Webleys I always make sure I have a photo of the back of the cylinder. You can obviously tell by the machining marks its 45 acp and military models have the British cross pendants on the back if it is unshaven. You can sometimes tell from side profile photos if there is an excessive gap between the recoil shield and the cylinder.
Great video. I had the same experience buying a Mk.VI a few weeks ago - luckily I was able to get my money back. Seller was liquidating a large consignment of guns and didn't know the difference. No harm no foul, but still sucks. The original unshaved .455 guns are going for upwards of $1500 on GunBroker these days... a bit out of my price range for what's basically a wall hanger at this point.
I did, but when it arrived it was another shaved one. Too many people don't know how to accurately identify shaved vs un-shaved cylinders. I sent it back, and I'm waiting for the refund.
duelist1954 I have an unaltered unshaved MK VI. The best way to identify a real .455 is check for symbols or marks on the back of the cylinder. I wish you can recommend a good gunsmith in the North East that can work on the action. The double action pull is very heavy but it's smooth.
I saw there is a all metal pellet and BB gun replica of the 455 webley that utilizes realistic cartridges that hold the pellet or bb. Only difference is it’s obviously less powerful. I wonder if one could swap out that metal cylinder and place it in the real gun since all workings function just like the real gun.
Mike I've watched this submission more than about any on youtube. Sure wish someone would make replacement cylinders to allow reconverting back to the original .455 Webley. I've had a Mark IV and Mark V1 unaltered in .455, stupid traded them. (Yep I am the stupid person). My first big bore revolver age 17 was a Mark 6 converted to .45ACP. Love the Webley revolvers.
I must say that double action work on the paper was pretty good grouping. A Webley would look good with my 1917 Eddystone, I know the M1917 revolver is correct for the rifle but they are too expensive in good condition.
I owned one 30 years ago. I shot it quite a bit at my local club. Lost it to a home break-in. I hope they had problems with it because they didn't get any moon clips.
Have used cut down .410in those shaved cylinders, (the rim is thicker than the webley round) an you need to make a custom bullet mould to allow for the thicker plastic case. Works an is cheap an fun.
well most of the time from what ive experienced with these is dont shoot fiocchi 455 because they load their ammo hot for some reason. However what you can do if you dont want to have to reload 45acp brass and put them in moon clips is to load 45 AUTORIM cases. that style of case was orignally made for the m1917 series revolvers after the war since the half moon clips werent readily available. Several companys sell the brass and the 45 dies are the same just the shell holder is different. If i read originaly webley specs right its supposed to be 16-17 grains of BLACK POWDER in the orignal webley cartridges and not smokeless although the Mk VI was meant to shoot cordite ammunition. If you come across something like a MkI or MkII webley witht he birds head grips load ONLY with black powder not with smokeless in the least bit ever because the steel on several parts is weak. check both the frame and barrel markings due to the fact some webleys were arsenal updated with later barrels and parts. Ive got a Mk IV 455 and thats how i shoot mine because i have seen pictures of how a cylinder and barrel latch can catostrophically fail , its not pretty.
Thanks for this little gem, now I can shoot my Webley MKVI, I just haven't had the time to reload some light .45 ACP rounds for it. A question, what rounds do you recommend out of a Luger P08? I have a 1918 DWM German Imperial Army gun that I enjoy shooting but I don't want to have the chances of breaking anything. I've heard people say Lugers like hot loads but I've just been shooting 115grers out of it and it seems to work fine.
Interesting. I may have to try this. I have an early Webley, a MK II I believe, in solid condition. I've fired it with light .45 Auto Rim handloads, but would prefer to use the intended ammunition. I may be able to now.
Thanks for this. I have a S&W 455 Hand Ejector that was shaved to accept .45 acp moon clips. It was sold to me as a 1917 .45 acp gun. I discovered that it was a modified 455 when i dropped a .45 acp into a chamber and it went in too far. And my brother pointed out the British proof marks. I think I'll try modding a moon clip and get some .455 to try in it.
+Dwight E Howell Thanks. I have moon clips and the old girls runs standard .45acp just fine with them. The S&W hand ejectors can handle the .45acp cartridge pressure just fine. It's the same frame and cylinder used for the U.S. M1917 .45acp revolver. I'd just like to get some actual .455 Webley ammo to try in it, since I know how I can get it to headspace properly now.
You can use.45 auto rims if don't like.45acp with moon clips I reload both with 250 grain lead semi wadcutters with green dot to 600 fps about matches the.455 webley load
Hi Mike. In 1881 the .455 Webley Mk I, loaded with 19 grains of black powder and a heavy bullet of 262 grain lead round nose, despite the modest velocity (620 fps) and not exuberant energy (223 Foot Pounds), it was a very effective weapon in the British colonies, with high stopping power thanks to the heavy mass and the soft lead deformability. I hope as soon as possible, you can show something with the .38 S&W. Is it true that can be formed by trimming a .38 special case? According with GOEX .38S&W is loaded with 15 grains FFF black powder and 145 grains lead round nose, for 700 fps. Great vid as usual! Regards.
Do not send your gun to Anderson Arms in Texas or Truitt in Oklahoma. These guys worked on my Webley and it took many letters to ATF and local authorities and over one year to get them returned. Truitt first sent me another customers gun then later returned my gun with all the internal parts missing. I would recommend purchasing only unaltered guns or have the cylinder reamed to .454 to reduce pressure and use either moon clips or .45 auto rim brass with flat based lead bullets.
There may be another source to restore them to shooting .455 Webley/Eley and I am working with that company/gunsmith to make it a reality. Stay tuned as I have a few I want restored.
Can't warn enough about Truitt in Oklahoma!! Not sure how he didn't get locked up. BATFE finally pulled his FFL license a few years ago, but part of that did NOT include him returning the firearms he was holding that belonged to others.
USMarineRifleman0311, I can't contact you privately on your channel because you have it blocked,so I'll have to say this in the open. I don't want to ban you, but, if you do not drop the argument with mrlastos888, I will ban you as I did him. This is a no drama channel. please respect that.
I dont like what you said about regiments of the line . Front line regiments of the british army are line regiments and rodgers rangers were trained by the british army rite all regiments of the line had rifle company's in the late 1800 the were combined to make light infantry batalions they had line numbers ie 58th reg of foot and so on Ranger williamson
Would you be interested in doing a guide on how to purchase a shooter's grade MK VI. I think I would actually prefer 45 ACP and moon clips for logistical reasons, and can cast and reload suitably safe ammo.
It's so obvious, but I never thought of doing this. Have three Webleys, two with shaved cylinders and one unshaved, but shoot the shaved ones more because .45 ACP ammo is so much easier to find and cheaper than the .455 ammo.
Bill: Unless you are downloading .45 ACP by handloading to .455 ballistics, you are basically shooting your Webley with a proof load with SAAMI spec .45 ACP ammo. PLEASE don't do it, the gun will get damaged over time and eventually will fail.
Oh, you mean because it is shaved? I can't really complain. The overall price of the gun was below market value, so, even with having to buy a new cylinder, I'll still come out OK.
Given the cartige's reputation as a man stopper, it looks to be fairly soft recoiling and allows for fast follow up shots. Maybe they really knew what they were doing.
Lee still makes custom bullet molds at relatively low cost, although they dont advertise this. You must provide detailed engineering drawings.They are aluminium though, as the brits like to say.
duelist1954 Great! I'll check that out. Thank you sir. I purchased a Webley similar to yours at a gun show about a year ago and the gentleman that sold it to me informed me that 45 auto rim was an option. Probably never would have found out about that on my own lol.
I have had luck using .45 cal auto rim in my shaved webley. Further, I have to use the 1/2 moon clips as the full 6 clips will not fit without modification.
The .455 Webley is an oddly more powerful revolver than paper ballistics show. I was watching a hunting show, dude was in Africa hunting Cape Buff, and he shot at one with his rifle missed, the buff charged he tried to shoot again with his rifle the rifle misfired he threw the rifle down pulled out a revolver popped off 2 shots the Buff set down on its hind end then fell over dead. I figured it was something modern like a 460 S&W or 500 it was a damn .455 Webley !
I admit I have a hard time believing the revolver alone took down the charging buff. But then again those heavy .455 bullets at low velocity do penetrate very well. It was on the Outdoor Net Work on Direct TV. Iv googled it but cannot find it so I don't know . They said the rifle missed but maybe the rifle hit and like you said the buff just had to figure out he was done for?.... shrugs .
Like all British service revolvers, this thing delivers good performance with very little kick. That 265 grainer may be only plodding along, but he'll give you a slap the likes of which you wouldn't want to feel again - as many a German infantryman found out. On the shooter's end, if I remember rightly, it's a bit like a .38 special. OK, the .45 ACP has better ballistics, but so what? The .455 still launches a big dollop of lead, and it's still going to hurt like hell.
Actually, I think the .455 has better ballistics. Mass * Velocity ^2 is energy, so fast and small bullets have high energy, but momentum is mass * velocity and momentum is how much the bullet wants to stop when it hits someone. 265 grains of lead is huge, so big you could do some damage just throwing the bullet at someone.
Keith Larsen I think you've just said what I wanted to, except rather more succinctly. Generally we seem to regard kinetic energy as the barometer of a cartridge's performance these days, and it has some merit. Bullet momentum seems to take a back seat, but it's an important part of the equation. The .455 relies on the latter for its effectiveness, and the results speak for themselves. Thanks for your input.
MSM4U2POM This is the way I explained to my friend why he’d be better off with his cap and ball Remington New Army for defense in the woods against black bears and whatnot, loaded with conicals, than with the Tokarev pistol he intends to get. The .45 conical will simply make a bigger hole, and will penetrate further due to momentum.
Not to be rude but the space between the back plate and the cylinder seemed to very wide , would that not have indecated it had been shaved, or is this normal for the mkvi ?
Great video... Question: If I have a Mk VI that has been shaved. Can I shoot cut down 45 Long Colt casings to fit in the MK VI and shoot it that way as well? In other words does the moon clip serve any other purpose other than allowing the new .45 ACP rimless cartridge from falling through? Or does the moon clip in some manner add stability in terms of case pressure as well?
This seems too simple of a solution and I bet you've already tried, but is it possible to just put the .455 cartridges in the moonclip? Or stick the moonclip to the cylinder as a makeshift spacer? (properly fitting it of course)
Hello Mike have you thought about using .45 Auto Rim casings for reloads in your shaved .455 Webley. It would be easier than having the cylinder soldered with a shim.
What a slick way to solve a problem. I am a revolver guy and for some reason break-top pistols have always held an attraction for me. The S&W perfected in 44 special to me is the perfect pistol. The Webley MkVI to me is right there except for the inability to handle 45 acp pressures. My dream gun is a breaktop made to modern standards in 45 Colt capable of handling +P loads. Anyway, thanks for the video Mike. As always it was very well explained and your innovation is to be complimented.
Hi,
In Britain before the Pistol Ban (Introduce by Tony Blair) in 1997, we had a large following of people shooting the .455 cartridge. We were obtaining off hand sub 1” groups at 20 yards. We also had many competitions with these revolvers and the Webley Fosbury Automatic Revolvers. The way that we found to make them shoot was to use a hollow based bullet. This design would obdurate the base of the bullet as it entered the barrel. The chamber exit hole was smaller in diameter than the barrel so the use of a plane based bullet was just inaccurate. It was easy to obtain the correct size cases either by using Fiochi once fired cases, Mountain and Snowden made the Mk II cases, finding original cases, Imperial made this ammunition and I believe that some of the American Manufactures used to make it. The hollow based bullet was another matter. The easiest way was to swage your own with many Manufactures supplying the dies for this. I note that you were using flat based bullets in your test. RCBS made a mould for the 265 grain Hollow based bullet. Sized to .454 dia. These proved to be good. The ‘Man Stopper’, Mk III & IV, named thus for obvious reasons. These were normally made in the weight range of 200 to 220 grains, both in the flat nose and the hollow based and hollow nosed designs.
You guys went down the butchering of the rear of the cylinder route, so you could use the Auto-rim cases or the moon clips. Thus you could re-load the ammunition using available components. Unfortunately, you used .452” diameter bullets and wondered why you could not obtain the desired accuracy.
I hope that this is of some help to you all. Please feel free to contact me if you require any more information on firing the .455” Webley or the competitions that we shot with them. Personally, I consider that this revolver was the very best military revolver ever made.
You are far from alone in your regard for the Webley MK VI, it is widely and rightly held to be the very best military revolver ever created.
2771 Hi there, good morning.
You are quite right about the Webley Mk V. One competition which we used to run was the Classic Service Revolver Class A, for over .4 Cal. Service revolvers. This was shot at 20 yards with an opening six rounds shot in 30 seconds and it was Shot first strong handed six rounds and then the next, shot weak handed and the gun score, minus the number of seconds taken to fire the six shots The South London Rifle Club had another competition where you fired at an advancing target and you fired left handed and hat a service sword in the right hand, held at the point! Great fun, but all stopped by Tony Blair to help him get elected. Never trust a politician.
We have a saying here in the southern United States. Politicians and diapers should be changed often, and for the same reason. I wish i could find a good Webley revolver at a good price. I would even settle for an Enfield copy of the MK4, but those sell for over 450$.
As a matter of historical accuracy the 455 Webley was outlawed in the UK by the legislation proposed in 1996 following the Dunblane massacre and enacted in February 1997 under the Conservative government. Later that year a Labour amendment to the bill extended the handgun ban to include .22 pistols.
Finally! the voice of reason from England! Mr. Valentine you are entirely correct about the issues with Webley .455 revolvers here in these United States! Bullet DIAMETER was and is the issue. I was amazed about the foolishness of using .45acp bullets .451/452 to obviously greater dimensions! Your point about hollow based bullets is excellent as well. Personally I always felt the Webley "manstopper" Bullet to be an outstanding Idea for Revolver cartridges provided they had the necessary energy to penetrate sufficiently. Finally I lament the closing of Webley/Scott and thought , with modern metalurgy the idea of bringing back the Webley design. Also as a personal noet it breaks my heart about England and the UK surrendering to the foolish left! I decend from a famous Pilgrim and I,m even Kin to Henry the eighth! Recall Lord Davies and Wickham Steed asking Americans to send a Gun to defend a british Home during ww2? "gun control" In Britain as you are aware came from the fear of the Ruling Class about a possible Marxist Uprising.
I have owned my 455 Webley automatic revolver for 52 years and have always shot 45acp military HB ammo with the half moon clips. I know I have shot over 5,000 HB round in it and never a problem. I purchased the ammo and gun from a pawn shop that closed in Ark City,KS in 1962. Never had a problem with it. But will from now on shoot only light hand loads,if I ever shoot it again as I have not fired it in 10-12 years. Thank You for shuch a great UA-cam site and always enjoy your videos.
Sincerely
Errol Stuck in SW Missouri with hope of moving on soon.
Yes, by all means handload light .45 ACP loads in the .455 Webley pressure range from now on. Sounds like a good plan to keep the old girl going.
I an unshaved Webley MK VI that's been sitting in my mother-in-law's closest for 50 years - the spring was broken but I got it fixed and hope to fire soon - it was her father's pistol while in WWI fighting for the Canadians
Back in the early 50's these were the armament personnel issue to the armoured tank corp in Australia. The larger stronger diggers (some of them) could handle them, but us smaller blokes thought if the enemy ever got close enough to hit them it would be better to throw the bloody thing at them, it would be more accurate and do as much damage. Since 1967 I have been a member of Pistol clubs and have shot many different weapons of many different calibers, a few years ago I shot the Webley again and could not handle it. Not a gun for me.. But I dips my lid to you big fellow, masterful shooting.
Great shooting, first time I see one
in action, fast revolver! Thanks a lot for this video.
I used to manage the logistics for the TF-41 jet aircraft engine, which was jointly manufactured by Detroit Diesel Allison and Rolls Royce. So I'm familliar with the British concept of interchangeable parts...But I'm still hoping for the best...
I’m so jealous I have always wanted to own a 455 Webbly oh my God I want one so bad but I’ve never been able to find a good one or afford one a good one so you are the man sir I’ll tell you that right now you’ve made my day me watching you shoot this 45 ACP Webbly but man you made my day one day I hope to get one thank you sir
not even sure what i was searching for this time but stumbled on this one and just wanted to say well done ,,what a great fix for the situ you found yourself in , cheers big ears
I have a 1918 Webley .455 here in New Zealand. Unaltered and unshaved. I think perhaps a Commonwealth soldier brought it home and stuck it in a drawer for most of its life!
.45 Auto Rim and handloading allows the "Webley" feel and convenience with a whole lot less trouble. Cheers!
I just banned mrlastos888 from the channel. This is a no drama zone. I always give you a warning, but if you persist, I will follow through.
parabéns pela demostração !
## CRAPSTORM INCOMING ##
What did he do? Call people things or am I wrong
hey if your in texas ill buy one of those webleys off of you... would you be willing to sell one of em??? iv been at saxet and tgt and cant find one
duelist 1954 very interesting video the other cartridge it took. in 455 was fmj and Webley manstopper flatnosed bullet with a hollowcup I have some boy they do some holes and good job for ban the idiot we don't need that childish behaviour
I'm impressed with the rapid shots this gun makes! Please post more guns like that one!
Neat gun and good ingenuity on the cylinder fix. Also nice that you can still use it with either round. It is rather nice to see things not always going according to plan and then a fix for it.
I have an unshaved Mark VI in excellent shape that is totally stock. I just give it a steady diet of Fiochi and Hornady ammo. She's sure a tack driver. I keep the brass for reloading and have a few hundred custom casted 262 and 265 grain rounds for when all the ammo runs dry. I have over a 1000 rounds see still of the original caliber.
The easiest way to tell if they're shaved to to simply look at the back of the cylinder. The uncut models like mine have obvious proofing stamps on the rear of the cylinder. Every shaved one I have seen is missing these because they get milled off during modification.
The knowledge, experience, and talent that you have when it comes to firearms is always Impressive and that makes no your UA-cam channel above the rest in UA-cam channels about guns. Thanks for an awesome video.
I wish somebody would start making clones of these classic old guns , great video.
You can get a pellet model all metal and pretty darn good to hold you over
Good vid Mike. Also, nice job on the fix. I love the oldies. Classics.
I have one that has been passed down in my Family. The hinge point in the hammer had a casting flaw and broke apparently on the first fire. The gun had always been out of service until one day on the internet I found an original NOS hammer. I was told by a gunsmith that he believed the gun had never been fired. Now all fixed I hope someday to get some ammo and take it out for a shoot.
Michael Matchett though I don't know all that much about reloading in the since of crafting bullets maybe you can have gun smith custom make them for you sorry if I sound like an amateur I love and enjoy weapons I just haven't study things like bullet crafting as much as I should
Several years ago I bought a Webley Mk IV. The bird's head grip version. Cylinder on that one was shaved as well. However, .45 AutoRim cases work just fine. So I loaded up some of those cases with loads I found for a .455 Webley. The original loading used a 265 grain bullet, I use a 255 grain .45 Colt bullet. Original dimensions of bullet for .45 Colt are .454" and some later bullets are .452" (same as .45 ACP for convenience. The Webley schematic sheet shows bullet diameter of .456" so pressure should not be increased and accuracy is acceptable.
I endorse the warning about NOT USING .45 ACP ammunition as issued or sold. The Webley wea designed for a markedly lower pressure cartridge. But there's a trap here. One can fire the .45 ACP cartridge in the Webley and it will not blow up on the first shot. This can give a false sense of security. The cylinder is not the weak part. The 'latch' holding the gun closed is what is going to fail. The stress and wear on the latch is cumulative; it will fail after an undetermined number of shots.
Good to know sir. Thank you for getting back to me so promptly. As always, your videos are informative and enjoyable.
Hi Mike, took my "shaved" webley to the range with expensive.455 factory reloads .Didnt dare try regular 45acp after some research. Sure, I was having light hammer strikes and missfires ..A old range duff came over and he just tilted the pistol back every shot and it made enough contact with the primers where it started firing pretty consistently . Works in a pinch.
I could tell it was shaved just from looking at the in the beginning I thought he was a Webley guy!.
Wow, that thing shoots much better than I expected it to.
I have a 1917 made, refurbished in 1940 Webley.
Low velocity loads for the .45 auto rim cases with lead bullets work best. But 5/16"x 7/16" x 1/16" nitrile "O" -rings on the .455 case takes up the gap of the shaved cylinder & works fine for recreational shooting.
I also opened the chamber mouths to
.452" from the original
.450" to reduce chamber pressure and allow for .451" 45 acp\ auto rim bullets.
Very nice, iv always loved the old Webley pistols.
Thanks for sharing your Webley MK V1's with us. Good video! Enjoyed it very much!
When I was trying to study civil war guns ( I am a total civil war buff) I didn't really enjoy that channel that was hickhock something, and then I found this channel! And I keep seeing people offend you, but don't listen to them! You have a gift with guns. And a great channel!
Hickok45 is a very educational channel, he shoots all types of guns, and gives you a history lesson with some of them. He even does civil war guns if that's your passion! Sic Semper Tyrannis ;)
TheGreatFatsby 93 Yes, but Hickok is not as knowledgeable in depth as Mike. Mike has made his career off of this sort of content, for Hickok, it’s a hobby.
Hi MIke, Your old shipmate from SPCC/NAVICP days...a few weeks back I bought a 1918 Webley Mk VI at the Dulles gun show...I had been shooting the .38s (Webley and Enfield), but wanted the big gun...so, I wanted to see what was on youtube and your channel popped up --- very helpful, since I am not a reloader and would like to shoot the .455 ammo...now all I need is some moon clips and my dremmel tool...thanks for the great info. Mark Harnitchek
Great to hear from you Mark. Good luck with the clip mod
Mike: FYI I am working with a gunsmithing company in West Virginia that is seriously exploring how to restore these revolvers to fire .455 Webley with a permanent fix. If interested I can share the details with you when they are past the prototype stage. Tool room samples just arrived today.
I know this was a while back but any updates so far?
Blake, Did you miss the part where I said this was done by importers in the 1940s and early 1950s? These guns have been in the country like this for 60 years.
Having a shaved cylinder Webley may detract from its collector value, but as a shooting piece, it does (with your modification) have the versatility of firing two different calibers.
Its more accurate then I thought it would be,. Good shootin.
It was both of them to gather votes for the impeding General Election. It was the Scottish Nationalists who first came up with the idea (another vote catcher). Labour knowing that they needed the Scottish Vote to get into power, decided that this was a good idea that if they wanted to hold on to the Scottish Vote, they must join them. The Tories just wanted to ban the calibres above .22. It was Blair who said that on leaving office (thank goodness he did), said that we should not have them in the first place. You will NEVER get good accuracy out of a .455 Webley unless you use hollow base bullets because of the cylinder forcing cone being smaller than the barrel. Use a Lead bullet and a hollow bace. RCBS makes a mould for it, or swage them.
I have a Smith and Wesson 2nd hand ejector probably one of the nicest ones in existence I love it
Great innovation and I wonder if you could cut that moon clip up and solder it to the cylinder or have small shallow screws tapped into it to hold it in place? I have experience with both cut and uncut guns and replacement cylinders are a nice accessory if you can find them. Awesome video as usual and shows how handloading is a critical part of the shooting hobby.
My Webley Mk VI is shaved. I decided to use .45 auto rim brass and hand loads. It works real well
I love the aesthetics of the Webley pistol..
Great Video! I like the idea of fabricating a spacer plate to allow shooting of the original 455 ammo. i see a lot of colt New Services that were orginally made in 455 and then converted to 45 ACP. A spacer plate might work for those guns as well. Anyways as always great video!
I made a rough version of a spacer that works perfectly in my Mk4 Webley. My fabrication process still needs some improvement but I may try making some production models to test out.
You should patent this very simple yet effective solution. Like a zip, paperclip and catseyes in the road, simple once you've seen them.
Very cool. I love Webley revolvers especially in .455, had some converted and some in .455 only own one now could kick myself but is a commercial maker's revolver Mark IV and converted. I use auto rim loaded with 265 gr .455 bullets loaded to origional .455 pressures/ballistics must see if I can get some of those full moons done up like you showed. Bad guy view last thing he ever saw, great shooting as well on your part. Really enjoyed this and have watched it several times. Hooe your cylinder worked or a gunsmith could make things work.
Regular factory .45 ACP is fine in your 1917 because it was made for .45 ACP. THe Webley was made for .455 Webley and needs to fire cartridges under 15,000 PSI. Factory .45 ACP runs 18,000 PSI and +P runs 21,000 PSI. A steady diet of those will damage a Webley.
I had the same problem with my shaved cylinder Webley Mk.VI Revolver. I decided to use handloads, with .45 auto-rim brass and .452, 230 grain, RN lead bullets. 4 grains of Unique.
Thank you for your offer, but I did get buy an unshaved cylinder.
My grandfather had a shaved Webley that he shot modern .45 acp ammo and never had a problem with it.I now have it
From what I gathered you're looking at 5000-10000 psi pressure difference. Be careful.
That doesn’t change the fact that it’s dangerous. Plenty of Webleys have blown up due to it.
Always wanted a pair of these with the shaved cylinders for 45acp. One under each arm in a leather holster similar to Bruce Willis’s rig in last man standing. Always loved break open revolvers. Wish they made affordable reproductions of these. To much mill work to be affordable now days I would suspect.
These guns can’t really handle factory .45 ACP anyway.
When I buy unshaved Webleys I always make sure I have a photo of the back of the cylinder. You can obviously tell by the machining marks its 45 acp and military models have the British cross pendants on the back if it is unshaven.
You can sometimes tell from side profile photos if there is an excessive gap between the recoil shield and the cylinder.
Plutonius X i have this 455 all orignal if anybody interested
Great video. I had the same experience buying a Mk.VI a few weeks ago - luckily I was able to get my money back. Seller was liquidating a large consignment of guns and didn't know the difference. No harm no foul, but still sucks. The original unshaved .455 guns are going for upwards of $1500 on GunBroker these days... a bit out of my price range for what's basically a wall hanger at this point.
Really? I picked up an unshaved 1916 Mak VI here in Canada prior to the ban, sorry "freeze" for $650.00 Cdn. Guess I did really good.
nice shooting mind you a nice pistol as well one of my favorites is the webley i have a soft spot for the fosbery revolver myself
You are a very lucky man sir I have all always wanted a true 455 Webbly luck man
I did, but when it arrived it was another shaved one. Too many people don't know how to accurately identify shaved vs un-shaved cylinders. I sent it back, and I'm waiting for the refund.
duelist1954 I have an unaltered unshaved MK VI. The best way to identify a real .455 is check for symbols or marks on the back of the cylinder. I wish you can recommend a good gunsmith in the North East that can work on the action. The double action pull is very heavy but it's smooth.
I want a .455 Webley so bad.
I saw there is a all metal pellet and BB gun replica of the 455 webley that utilizes realistic cartridges that hold the pellet or bb. Only difference is it’s obviously less powerful. I wonder if one could swap out that metal cylinder and place it in the real gun since all workings function just like the real gun.
I don't think swapping the cylinder is wise. The replicas use a lot lower pressure. The original cylinder is rated at something like 13000 psi.
Mike I've watched this submission more than about any on youtube. Sure wish someone would make replacement cylinders to allow reconverting back to the original .455 Webley. I've had a Mark IV and Mark V1 unaltered in .455, stupid traded them. (Yep I am the stupid person). My first big bore revolver age 17 was a Mark 6 converted to .45ACP. Love the Webley revolvers.
Had a Webley in .455 way back in the day, had trouble finding the ammo and didn't know how to reload the .455 so I sold it. Wish I hadn't.
I must say that double action work on the paper was pretty good grouping. A Webley would look good with my 1917 Eddystone, I know the M1917 revolver is correct for the rifle but they are too expensive in good condition.
Very classy weapons. Pity so many were butchered. Judging by the comments using auto rim or cut down LC cases may be an option.
I owned one 30 years ago. I shot it quite a bit at my local club. Lost it to a home break-in. I hope they had problems with it because they didn't get any moon clips.
Have used cut down .410in those shaved cylinders, (the rim is thicker than the webley round) an you need to make a custom bullet mould to allow for the thicker plastic case. Works an is cheap an fun.
well most of the time from what ive experienced with these is dont shoot fiocchi 455 because they load their ammo hot for some reason. However what you can do if you dont want to have to reload 45acp brass and put them in moon clips is to load 45 AUTORIM cases. that style of case was orignally made for the m1917 series revolvers after the war since the half moon clips werent readily available. Several companys sell the brass and the 45 dies are the same just the shell holder is different. If i read originaly webley specs right its supposed to be 16-17 grains of BLACK POWDER in the orignal webley cartridges and not smokeless although the Mk VI was meant to shoot cordite ammunition. If you come across something like a MkI or MkII webley witht he birds head grips load ONLY with black powder not with smokeless in the least bit ever because the steel on several parts is weak. check both the frame and barrel markings due to the fact some webleys were arsenal updated with later barrels and parts. Ive got a Mk IV 455 and thats how i shoot mine because i have seen pictures of how a cylinder and barrel latch can catostrophically fail , its not pretty.
Thanks for this little gem, now I can shoot my Webley MKVI, I just haven't had the time to reload some light .45 ACP rounds for it. A question, what rounds do you recommend out of a Luger P08? I have a 1918 DWM German Imperial Army gun that I enjoy shooting but I don't want to have the chances of breaking anything. I've heard people say Lugers like hot loads but I've just been shooting 115grers out of it and it seems to work fine.
I bought a Mark VI some years back, had a box of .455 reloads all ready for her and then she turned out to be shaved. Bugger!
Interesting. I may have to try this. I have an early Webley, a MK II I believe, in solid condition. I've fired it with light .45 Auto Rim handloads, but would prefer to use the intended ammunition. I may be able to now.
I love our videos! Thank you!
Thanks for this. I have a S&W 455 Hand Ejector that was shaved to accept .45 acp moon clips. It was sold to me as a 1917 .45 acp gun. I discovered that it was a modified 455 when i dropped a .45 acp into a chamber and it went in too far. And my brother pointed out the British proof marks. I think I'll try modding a moon clip and get some .455 to try in it.
You might try the 45 auto rim. Another poster said it worked for him.
+Dwight E Howell Thanks. I have moon clips and the old girls runs standard .45acp just fine with them. The S&W hand ejectors can handle the .45acp cartridge pressure just fine. It's the same frame and cylinder used for the U.S. M1917 .45acp revolver. I'd just like to get some actual .455 Webley ammo to try in it, since I know how I can get it to headspace properly now.
You can use.45 auto rims if don't like.45acp with moon clips I reload both with 250 grain lead semi wadcutters with green dot to 600 fps about matches the.455 webley load
Hi Mike. In 1881 the .455 Webley Mk I, loaded with 19 grains of black powder and a heavy bullet of 262 grain lead round nose, despite the modest velocity (620 fps) and not exuberant energy (223 Foot Pounds), it was a very effective weapon in the British colonies, with high stopping power thanks to the heavy mass and the soft lead deformability.
I hope as soon as possible, you can show something with the .38 S&W. Is it true that can be formed by trimming a .38 special case? According with GOEX .38S&W is loaded with 15 grains FFF black powder and 145 grains lead round nose, for 700 fps.
Great vid as usual! Regards.
“A little powder and a lot of lead. Shoot him once and shoot him dead” !
Do not send your gun to Anderson Arms in Texas or Truitt in Oklahoma. These guys worked on my Webley and it took many letters to ATF and local authorities and over one year to get them returned. Truitt first sent me another customers gun then later returned my gun with all the internal parts missing. I would recommend purchasing only unaltered guns or have the cylinder reamed to .454 to reduce pressure and use either moon clips or .45 auto rim brass with flat based lead bullets.
There may be another source to restore them to shooting .455 Webley/Eley and I am working with that company/gunsmith to make it a reality. Stay tuned as I have a few I want restored.
Can't warn enough about Truitt in Oklahoma!! Not sure how he didn't get locked up. BATFE finally pulled his FFL license a few years ago, but part of that did NOT include him returning the firearms he was holding that belonged to others.
USMarineRifleman0311, I can't contact you privately on your channel because you have it blocked,so I'll have to say this in the open. I don't want to ban you, but, if you do not drop the argument with mrlastos888, I will ban you as I did him. This is a no drama channel. please respect that.
Will you serve as my second then?
I dont like what you said about regiments of the line . Front line regiments of the british army are line regiments and rodgers rangers were trained by the british army rite all regiments of the line had rifle company's in the late 1800 the were combined to make light infantry batalions they had line numbers ie 58th reg of foot and so on Ranger williamson
Here here
duelist1954 r
Counterattack
Nice fix on the moon clip and good luck in the eBay auction!
Would you be interested in doing a guide on how to purchase a shooter's grade MK VI. I think I would actually prefer 45 ACP and moon clips for logistical reasons, and can cast and reload suitably safe ammo.
It's so obvious, but I never thought of doing this. Have three Webleys, two with shaved cylinders and one unshaved, but shoot the shaved ones more because .45 ACP ammo is so much easier to find and cheaper than the .455 ammo.
Bill: Unless you are downloading .45 ACP by handloading to .455 ballistics, you are basically shooting your Webley with a proof load with SAAMI spec .45 ACP ammo. PLEASE don't do it, the gun will get damaged over time and eventually will fail.
Nice shooting Mike.
Oh, you mean because it is shaved? I can't really complain. The overall price of the gun was below market value, so, even with having to buy a new cylinder, I'll still come out OK.
Given the cartige's reputation as a man stopper, it looks to be fairly soft recoiling and allows for fast follow up shots. Maybe they really knew what they were doing.
Lee still makes custom bullet molds at relatively low cost, although they dont advertise this. You must provide detailed engineering drawings.They are aluminium though, as the brits like to say.
I know where to find an original. Your video was helpful am glad I haven’t shot it yet.
Excellent fix. Thanks.
I have a shaved Webley. Shoots way to the left and unfortunately the sights are not adjustable. Picked it up years ago for $150.
Something that I didn't see mentioned was that you can shoot 45 auto rim in the Webley without the need for moon clips.
If you check out my .455 reloading videos you'll see that covered.
duelist1954 Great! I'll check that out. Thank you sir. I purchased a Webley similar to yours at a gun show about a year ago and the gentleman that sold it to me informed me that 45 auto rim was an option. Probably never would have found out about that on my own lol.
I have had luck using .45 cal auto rim in my shaved webley. Further, I have to use the 1/2 moon clips as the full 6 clips will not fit without modification.
nice ...lemonade from lemons Great mod
I use a sniping program for eBay which takes care of that for me.
Bet no one tries to break in to your house Mike!!! good shooting...
Try shortening ´45 long Colt cartridges, to ´455 length, they work perfectly in the gun !
I sleep with one every night. Best revolver ever made.
Smart!
This may be a good candidate for 3d print.. I may have to work on that. But, I don't have a shaved cylinder webley.
The .455 Webley is an oddly more powerful revolver than paper ballistics show. I was watching a hunting show, dude was in Africa hunting Cape Buff, and he shot at one with his rifle missed, the buff charged he tried to shoot again with his rifle the rifle misfired he threw the rifle down pulled out a revolver popped off 2 shots the Buff set down on its hind end then fell over dead. I figured it was something modern like a 460 S&W or 500 it was a damn .455 Webley !
A buffalo can be real slow figuring out it's dead.
I admit I have a hard time believing the revolver alone took down the charging buff. But then again those heavy .455 bullets at low velocity do penetrate very well. It was on the Outdoor Net Work on Direct TV. Iv googled it but cannot find it so I don't know . They said the rifle missed but maybe the rifle hit and like you said the buff just had to figure out he was done for?.... shrugs .
Nice shooting. With a SAA you would have been some help at the Little Bighorn......
I just got a webley mk 6 that's shaved and got some moonclip and I might take them to a gunsmith to get dremmeled
Wait until you see how it shoots my handloads...really good accuracy.
Like all British service revolvers, this thing delivers good performance with very little kick. That 265 grainer may be only plodding along, but he'll give you a slap the likes of which you wouldn't want to feel again - as many a German infantryman found out. On the shooter's end, if I remember rightly, it's a bit like a .38 special. OK, the .45 ACP has better ballistics, but so what? The .455 still launches a big dollop of lead, and it's still going to hurt like hell.
Actually, I think the .455 has better ballistics. Mass * Velocity ^2 is energy, so fast and small bullets have high energy, but momentum is mass * velocity and momentum is how much the bullet wants to stop when it hits someone. 265 grains of lead is huge, so big you could do some damage just throwing the bullet at someone.
Keith Larsen I think you've just said what I wanted to, except rather more succinctly. Generally we seem to regard kinetic energy as the barometer of a cartridge's performance these days, and it has some merit. Bullet momentum seems to take a back seat, but it's an important part of the equation. The .455 relies on the latter for its effectiveness, and the results speak for themselves. Thanks for your input.
MSM4U2POM This is the way I explained to my friend why he’d be better off with his cap and ball Remington New Army for defense in the woods against black bears and whatnot, loaded with conicals, than with the Tokarev pistol he intends to get. The .45 conical will simply make a bigger hole, and will penetrate further due to momentum.
Not to be rude but the space between the back plate and the cylinder seemed to very wide , would that not have indecated it had been shaved, or is this normal for the mkvi ?
Yes it would have. It should not be that excessive.
Muito usado também pela RAF. Uma arma mágica. Parabéns pelo acervo.
Great video... Question: If I have a Mk VI that has been shaved. Can I shoot cut down 45 Long Colt casings to fit in the MK VI and shoot it that way as well? In other words does the moon clip serve any other purpose other than allowing the new .45 ACP rimless cartridge from falling through? Or does the moon clip in some manner add stability in terms of case pressure as well?
This seems too simple of a solution and I bet you've already tried, but is it possible to just put the .455 cartridges in the moonclip? Or stick the moonclip to the cylinder as a makeshift spacer? (properly fitting it of course)
So, if a shaven one cannot shoot .455 anymore, it needs hand loaded .45 acp to meet the correct pressures?
Yep
Thanks!
Where can I get a 455 Webley MK VI
Hello Mike have you thought about using .45 Auto Rim casings for reloads in your shaved .455 Webley. It would be easier than having the cylinder soldered with a shim.