Panasonic S1H vs Sigma FP
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2020
- This is a comparison between the Sigma FP and the Panasonic S1H for cinematic purposes only.
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As soon as I started watching the video I thought to myself, the couch shot is the fp and the beer scene was the S1h. Color and sharpness was the tell . I like the Sigma color better
I don't know why, but always when I see a camera with no cap or lens on a sensor... I'll stop breathing until another shot.
Quickly becoming one of my favorite channels, man. Keep it up!
Thanks Matt!
You prolly dont give a shit but if you're bored like me atm then you can watch all the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. Have been watching with my brother lately xD
@Jad Elon yup, been watching on instaflixxer for since november myself :D
Great video! The raw sells me hard core on this. The thought of getting movie quality video, which the couch shot is worlds better to me than the s1h, is huge. My mind says yes go for the one with the better image and let's kit it out like it's a cinema rig, but at the end of the day, I'd get a lot more done with the S1H... so that's probably the smart choice right now. But hey, we don't always have to make smart choices!
That grading was dope man!
Great comparison, thanks
Just discovered your channel today. Immediately drawn to your shooting style and manner of speaking (not overly dramatic/commercial-like). Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Noticed that you have a Canon EOS R, which is a camera I'm very interested in. Been scouring the internet for good, informed opinions about the EOS R + Atomos Ninja V combo, but haven't been able to find much. Would be awesome if you did a video on that, or even just shared some of your thoughts about it in comments here. Thanks!
To me, being able to de-rig the FP and put it in my pocket to always carry with me with some tiny leica-m adapted manual lens.. That's priceless. Yes, maybe the S1H is more of a film-making monster and it's all around better as long as you don't care about raw (which I do), but in my mind, the portability and the fact that Sigma has nothing to protect, so they'll keep making this camera as good as they can with no regard to other existing higher-tear models.. Pretty good.
The day Sigma makes a tiny EVF module (something like the ones in the RX100s) and not that eyepiece shit that they try to get you to use.. It'll be a good day. Kinda bummed that they didn't make a hinge for the screen, I don't think it would've been that big a deal and it makes such a massive difference to tilt it or not.
These are both available now!
@Ezra Shanti where ?
Also I really love how you are able to do green toned scenes. I have never been able to make green tones look good and retain proper skin tones
Michael Bornman hue masks are awesome when combined with shape masks. Also, cleaning up your blacks using a Luma curve and dropping off the the shadow side helps too.
I'm not sure what software you use, but as far as color grading, Davinci Resolve is really good for that. You can qualify out skin tones so you can preserve them and edit them separately from the rest of the scene.
What is the difference between camera companies anymore? These cameras all look really good! Great video Spencer! 🔥
Now this is the video I've been waiting on
I’ve had the FP for a couple of weeks now. I’ve been experimenting in stills mode, haven’t shot any video yet. I’m a happy BMPCC 4K owner. I prefer the FP footage to the Panasonic in your video. However, the FP is full of compromises and quite a few bugs/unfinished features. Going back to CDNG from BRAW is going to be tough for me. Thanks for the great comparison.
Great insight for this cameras, I personally wasn’t interested or heard very much on both of them, but this widen my knowledge.
Btw, do you think you can bring the Mavo LF again and do some tests, I’m very interested to see that camera more.
Great video! I wonder how this video would feel now with all of the software firmware updates that sigma has put out? I did feel the footage of the FP had a very clean but rich quality to it where the Panasonic footage was a tad bit soft and mushy with the overall color rendition. Thank you for doing such a great comparison🙏🏾❕
My next video will address this
S1H is the dream for me right now. The versatile screen with the recording options.
That b-roll ! love it.
broo yessss, btw what did you shoot the b roll with for showing both cameras cuz its super noise, way different than anything else you have done
I added grain
Glad I made the right choice with the s1h! I had no idea the sigma fp only did cinemadng and didn’t have playback on camera. Thank you!
In camera CDNG playback is coming in firmware early summer
good work, chap.
Spenser we need your color grading workflow. Maybe some for really bright scenes, lowlight scenes, and controlled lighting?
Soon
Counting on this channel blowing up soon😉
Thanks for the video, in the intro some of the slow-motion shots have artefacts and noise. Where these shot on the S1H? And if so was it before the latest firmware update? Also I would like to ask, what's your thought on black bars for aspect ratios? I know some people consider it a fake aspect ratio but then again it does look kinda cinematic. Thanks keep it up
It's on UA-cam. Almost certainly a UA-cam problem.
@@oblitafier The S1H was suffering from artefacts in low light especially in vlog, it was fixed in an update that's why I asked the question a year ago. UA-cam compression might have enhanced the problem.
I have started using a checklist to help manage my equipment setups. There are a lot of details for one person to keep in the old melon.
Don't give up on your Pocket 4K!! Haha. You're one of the people that encouraged me to get mine! But if you have to get one of these, the S1H just seems much more practical.
Hey loved this video and my buddy has the Sigma FP camera, would it be possible to link or mention all the accessories used in your friends setup to share with other Sigma users? Thank you Spenser great video! I got the cameras right! Only reason I got the cameras right was because I have had time to work with the Sigma FP and you can just tell the quality and look of the image thats coming from the Sigma, thats one thing thats nice is it does have a very certain look that just makes it easy to tell it apart. But also a note on it needing light, I feel like any camera does very well when it has the right amount of light for the shot. But that being said the Panasonic is a beast of a camera! Would you say its the new work horse of hybrid cameras?
Hello, Spenser. I'd like to ask you a question. When you shoot 422 10bit c4k all-I video. What configuration computer do you use for editing? Why is it difficult for my computer to clip? It often gets stuck. My computer is a Windows system, i7-6700k, 16g ram, GTX 1070 8GB, editing 4K material is seriously jammed... T.T
Spencer are you going to review the Panasonic S5.
And does the Sigma Fp have two sd card slots aswell as unlimited recording time limit
The intro 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I'm dead.
thank you!!
Have you tried the highlights recovery tool in Davinci with blown highlights on the fp (CinemaDNG)?
There's also the stabilization aspect of you care about that.
What lens are you using on the Sigma for the footage shown?
What do you think of the new sigma fp firmware update? Has it made the frames a bit smoother going 29fps now? i was put off by how jumpy it was when i played with it orignally.
Wondering if you came across much aliasing using the fp? I'm getting generally great video out of mine but on some dark colored hair close ups I've been getting killed by aliasing at both FHD and UHD.
In this kitchen tests colors from S1H look so much better then FP. Is there any chance to get at least 1 frame of each in 10/12bit to try grade FP to S1H colors?
When are you going to do a review of the Panasonic S5 and Canon 90D
To judge the image quality of the cameras I would need an actual dynamic range test, like you sitting in the shade while in the background there is a large window with details outside like houses or clouds. Then several single steps of under/over/correct exposure - so its not just you talking about dynamic range, but actually seeing it.
also it would be great to see some of the postproduction work, for example just some example shots that are under/overexposed and how easy it is to pull the info back to correct. also when pushing the colors (hard), how well the image holds up - especially when the lighting is NOT perfect. if the lighting is perfect (like it is with yours ;) ) almost every camera with a decent lens these days will look great.
to me, real cinematic cameras have the image quality that holds up to extreme color pushing, are relatively easy to save from under/overexposure and have color and grain consistency in higher ISO/ASA - that and the usability and reliability make them so expensive.
most of this wasn`t included in this video, you just talked about it.
just some feedback :)
Your B-Roll looks much more cinematic, IMO, while Peter's looks more like a commercial/lifestyle video.
Tim Baker it wasn’t really peters
Hahaha Spenser, that Peter Mckinnon reference is gold.
Christopher Kordun is it?
Christopher Kordun haha yes man I was about to comment the same thing 😂
@@kipkipful Yes.
@@adamballweg oh, okay then
Christopher Kordun what is it
The Panasonic S1H has a AA filter and the Sigma FP does not. The difference seems obvious even on UA-cam. S1H smoother (more cinematic in my opinion) FP sharper with crisper fine details (it may moire on fine patterns) Even though there is move away from AA filters in high res cameras they are an important component, for example the Alexa employs a very expensive AA filter that is a significant factor in the success its “look”. Losing the AA filter drops the cost in lower end cameras. Great video really enjoy your shooting and grading.
The Alexa and Panasonic Varicams and now the S1H use an AA filter, and I agree it really helps the look. It's funny how the Alexa at 3k is still a contender. Color fidelity is more important than resolution ;)
actually the fp still has less detail without the aa filter, because of the fact that it uses pixel binning and line skipping for the 4k raw recordings.
I'm a big sandwich pixel binning and line skipping doesn’t sound like a raw signal to me. It Sounds processed .... 🤷♂️
pixelatorNYC oops, I confused the 4K mode you talked about with the fp’s line skipped 1080p raw mode. It’s still the raw signals from the sensor, the 14 years old panavision genesis was able to output a 1080p raw signals out of its Sdi port pixel binning it’s 5k sensor, and the Nikon z6 also outputs pixel binned line skipped raw.
PM broll is nice, always find this stuff funny 😄
I'm curious to see these compared with the Zcam E2-F6
The image difference is negligible, both seem great but me owning an SH1 for the extra price it’s with it..by the time you kit out the sigma the price is basically the same if not more if you include media. Not to mention IBIS is a dream!
Prores Raw is not Raw. It's just another compressed format. The S1H has better DR but it doesn't record CDNG. My PC plays CDNG even 6K in real time and so does my pc laptop so it is not a negative.
ProResRaw is more like a smaller version of ProRes4444, not a compressed codec like h65
When i watch this video till the end, i know one thing for sure that you love "talking", great job spenser.
You ARE a coffee guy! Properly-roasted beans, an Encore burr grinder, and a Kalita Wave... I'd have a cuppa that! And of course, the FP and S1H both look great.
Spencer does the Sigma FP and Panasonic S1H use the same mount.
Cheeky troll. I like it. Thanks for the comparison!
The S1H and 400Mbps 5.9K image just looks so good. It suffers a bit from Panasonic’s temporal compression but it offers a clean image if that’s what you want. I think it’s going to be a cult camera.
I’ve pretty much settled on any camera I buy must have weather sealing and IBIS, because those are important to me. Really wish Olympus would take video more seriously.
Hi. If you shoot in hlg there's no problem. Only on vlog. It's not ideal.. but it works..
the coffee filter haha fire
Can you give a number for what the CDNG files are for 1 minute of footage at 4k 12bit?
Spencer can you please do a review of the Panasonic S5
5:22 i misunderstood you for a second and was wondering why you would need a fast CAR for that
I don't know why i'm always hoping you'll say I'm Spenser Sakurai the last Samauri 😎🤦🏾♀️
Buut i digress, personally i'd go for the S1H. Both produce good images but i need more than that in a camera now. Eventually an upgrade would need to be made for various reasons and Panasonic has better re- sale value than Sigma cameras.
I'm wondering if it's UA-cam compression but did you notice any noise when filming the coffee sequence? The blacks also looked a bit crushed in your hat and shirt when on the couch. It makes me think that no matter how great an image from a camera- or talented Cinematographer like yourself- if the final delivery is a compressed platform like UA-cam and not broadcast there's no need for new filmmakers to stress over which camera to choose.
Love your videos though, would be great to see a colour grading tutorial!
IMO, the better the image is, the harder it is for UA-cam to break it. Go and watch some Arri Alexa footage in 480p and you’ll be amazed! 😮
It’s not a mathematical problem, I think it’s because the higher quality cameras look more natural and realistic, so it gets more difficult to distract our eyes with artifacts. That’s just my theory anyway. Maybe others can respond too.
The sigma is awesome! the only reason I have for choosing the S1H is that I need hybrid camera, nothing else. But the budget difference is huge.. That's why I'm gonna wait for the xt-4.
Cheers man! Love your channel
The Panasonic S1H has literally the best colors i have ever seen.. even much better than Canon which for a long time set the bar for color.. I am in love with the Panasonic S1H.. wow.
Was the issue with exposure change in the FP solved?
im a sticks, xyz axis kinda guy. really love wes anderson so the sigma fp is my dream. Something i can set up in the blink of an eye. small and wireless. it will be my soulmate.
If we're just talking about the image, I actually preferred the image out of the sigma a little more. Of course though, there's more to like about the Panasonic overall as a single piece of hardware.
Honestly hit that thumbs up before even watching. Was not disappointed. :p
The Sakurai cut exists.
Enjoyed..
could you explain raw a bit more. Ive heard some say that raw has the same dynamic range as proress and h265 log footage from same camera... i always thought there were another 2 stops hidden in raw. break it down Mr sakurai. thank you much
6:39 - Ooh, interesting. Is 1080p cropped though? If not, that could be a perfect lightweight TRUE "pocket" cinema camera...
It's not cropped
@@chumleyk Sweet! Thanks.
If it was "my only camera", I would buy the S1H. If not, I would go for the Sigma FP just because it's tiny and it has the Director's Viewfinder thingy.
Great video! I would wait until you try the ZCam F6; it has the same sensor as the S1H, with the same dynamic range 14+ stops, but a full cinema camera. ZCam is coming out with compressed Raw, like BRaw & REDCode; not sure if it will be available when the F6 ships, but they've been working on it for more than a year. The ZCam S6 is also a camera to consider, because it is cheaper, at 2500, unlike the ZCam F6 at 5000, but the S6 has a Super35 sensor and less dynamic range. Since you like, use and own BlackMagic cameras, they will be releasing new cameras soon; an 8k camera, but also an improved Ursa G2. Could BlackMagic release a 14/16bit Raw (BRaw), 16+stops of dynamic range, 4:4:4, 4k cinema camera? Shut up, it's my fantasy.
Awesome work as always! The S1H seems substantially more usable as a camera, but the Sigma FP has an image that feels a lot more organic. That said, I don't think I could ever convince myself to shoot CDNG given the massive file sizes.
Having shot with these more affordable full frame cameras for a while now, do either of them entice you away from the blackmagic cameras? I understand the draw of full frame, but I can't help but feel like the overall image quality out of the blackmagic cameras is superior, while still giving you practical-sized codecs and a nice usable experience on set. I am really curious about how you feel about that.
Great question, I'd love to his thoughts too.
I really think file size should not be a concern in these days of affordable multi-TB drives.
Dude, if you are still lookin for a camera, what would i say!!!, I thought you digged the S1H. I'm still looking for a video oriented camera and i'm 90% sold on the S1H but still waiting for the first quarter to see if Panasonic will deliver their promise for RAW capability for the S1H.
Do love your videos and i don't know if you are planning on trying out the Nikon Z6 with RAW?
I don’t trust the Nikon Z6. The raw just doesn’t seem like true raw. I just sold mine 🤔
@@spensersakurai yeah heard this one on dpreview. Most probably will end up with s1h
Nice video, just do not understand why so many UA-camrs have a need to drink something in front of camera...
Or wear a cap indoors...
I think that the BM pocket 4k is probably a better deal than the Sigma FP right now, but you sacrifice full frame for a crop. I'm really torn between them, but might just wait for the firmware to mature on this and see if the price comes down or more used cameras appear on ebay at a reduced cost.
Spenser - there's an article on 4kshooters today about the firmware upgrades coming soon, including playback of cDNG! Might be worth waiting for.
Firmware 2 is here, and it is a massive upgrade.
I’m just hoping the canon r5 is an actual player in the full frame video game. Not so interested in 8k, but if it had some nice codecs...👌🏼
Lol @ that B-Roll scene
Shocker, I’m not the only one doing UA-cam after midnight. Oh yeah, and FIRST! (Ok that’s a first)… and, now I’ll actually watch it
PhotoJoseph came to say the same
sigma fp new firmware with B-RAW and dual ISO pls do another review of it! :)
It may take a minute unless he has the Blackmagic recorder, and Atomos releases their end of the firmware for ProRes Raw. And DaVinci doesn’t support PRR.
how do u made soft skin in your shoot video?
I want to try this with the Nikon D5500, Panasonic GH5 and Panasonic GH5S
You're getting much better colours out of the Sigma at 5:30. Maybe the 10x more data is worth it? But I think Sigma has the advantage there in general, I find Panasonic colour lacking
I want to try this with the Nikon D5500, Panasonic GH5,Panasonic GH5S, Panasonic S5, Sony A7C, Sony A74, Nikon Z5 and Nikon D780
A lot has changed since you made this video; Sigma fp firmware 2.0 offers dual native ISO, BlackMagic Raw/ProResRaw externally & S1H offers ProResRaw externally.
A lot has changed since you wrote that comment. Sigma firmware 3.0 offers more new features including playback in camera and Panasonic now offer ProRes and BRaw out on all their full frame cameras and the BGH1.
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I’ve heard of coffee collective. Been meaning to try them for awhile!
Outdated review. Sigma fp with firmware 2 has playback of CDNG Raw. You use a small Samsung t5 2Tb and you can then just work off the T5 with Davinci Resolve and convert to BRAW to store on a hard drive if one wants. Have not had any problems with recording or lock up.
How do you convert CDNG to .BRAW for storage?
That intro 😂
We need more B roll please
Native ISO of Sigma FP is 100... dynamic range drops off a little away from that. I'm also finding it seems to do really well when you exposure compensate DOWN in some scenarios. Much better than the S1H, which is better than the FP compensating UP. edit: Sigma FP firmware seems to clip the noise floor at native before it breaks up so maybe a firmware update will release this. I think they were aiming for as perfect an image as possible at native but they should release the floor to let us decide how much noise is acceptable in the super dark shadow details.
chumleyok Where have you seen any reference to ‘native iso’?
5:00 Wait ....are you saying an 18 sec clip on the Sigma FP is 11gb at 2500 mbps? Shouldn't that actually be 5.63GB?
Maybe I went a little longer than 18 secs but it was close and it was 11 gigs. 🤷🏻♂️
@@spensersakurai Ah got it....just wanted to make sure since that was twice the amount!
S1H - V-Log color is fantastic, temporal noise reduction kills of texture and creates smearing/ghosting
FP - Color is meh but no processing artifacts, color can be corrected anyway.
Still on the verge of selling my S1H
It's like seeing a monochrome to a color... The FP sigma wins.
David fincher lighting
wanna see s1 vs s1h。it has same cmos sensor
Now you can thanks to this update. SIGMA fp firmware Ver.3.00
that noise of fuji? nah i prefer spend a lot in the S1H ;(
Seems like some major black crush on the graded sigma files?
Had to pause the video to make out movo LF lol
@7:45 sigma says fp can’t support log profile - only fp l
If you talked any faster, the video would be over before it started.
Otherwise, yes, interesting.
At 4:12 you say "the S1H can do 10-bit and 12-bit RAW" - pretty sure you mean the fp :)
I like the Sigma image better
S5 or S1H.. plus they are photo capable to boot.
Panasonic Lumix DC-S1H is Netflix qualified.
The S1H is a definitely a game changer for professional video production. The camera is really a full-blown 6K cinema camera in a mirrorless body that exceeds the capabilities of anything else in it’s class. For video, television, and film production I can confidently say it offers more bang for the buck of any video camera ever made. Here’s a link to my review of the camera and a trailer for a the 4-hour S1H master class I have produced that can help new owners get the best results with their camera. ua-cam.com/video/GhZP14WVCn0/v-deo.html
Great work, thank you !
Sigma has always provided with superb sensors / circuitry combos. But they really shine in bodies, and have the talent to produce unique designs, with purpose in mind. They don't make those cameras for everyone, but if you're in the target... then you're more than happy, and the tool will just fit perfectly !
Then, S1H produces amazing sequences. And one knows Panasonic have put a huge amount of effort and talent to get their cameras exactly where they wanted them to be. No need to talk much about their firmware policies, it's so clever and smart.
Would I be in a position of having choose, I wouldn't know which way to go !