It didn't impact anything. He's a great player, no doubt about it, but I'm sure he himself wanted to be a much bigger factor in g7... because who knows when he'll have the chance next time, if ever.. and "inches away" means nothing 🤣
Not at all he won a conne smythe without winning the cup another amazing achievement that almost no player has done and when he wins the cup next year he will win another conn smythe back to back..
Hayes is right. His legacy didn't really take a hit in my opinion, but it was a missed opportunity. He's not in the conversation with the greatest ever until he closes.
Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky all won in their first few years, and won multiple times with youth on their teams. McDavid is going into his 10th season, with the 2nd oldest team in the NHL and that makes it hard to believe Edmonton could be a dynasty. The window is closing. Yzerman won later in his career but his team was stacked with all stars. Edmonton has 2 players.
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs gretzky was on a loaded team ,has zero cups away from that loaded team ,and that team won a cup without him ,to prove they were loaded
@Julia_Hammels_ ok come on. Yea I dont think they will win a cup either, but they are easily gunna make the playoffs feasting on 2/3 of the league with their offensive skill. The west doesnt have 8 teams better than the oilers.
Finally someone on TSN with some sense. Of coarse it hurts his legacy. You think Crosby is losing a game 7 in the finals. No way. Until McDavid learn to back check he will lose. Period. He needs to do all the little things to win. The guy on the left is delusional. Stop worrying about how many points you can get. Once Sid got his first cup that's all he cared about. He became a complete player. McDavid has yet to make that transition.
@@epicphailure88 Crosby was never hot garbage. You leave out the fact of his injury because he had a broken hand. Before that he was leading the playoffs in scoring. He sat on the bench in the second half of the final game. McDavid has zero points in the last two games. No comparison to be made. If not for the injury he would have three playoff MVPs. Not two. Also he was the best player on the ice with one hand. With 7 blocked shots and 9 takeaways. You know the little things that wins cups. What McDavid doesn't do.
Such a cliche and bad take. Stuart Skinner let in one of the softest goals possible while McDavid was sitting on the bench, that is why they lost game 7. The idea that the Oilers just needed "McDavid to backcheck" and they would have won is just complete and total nonsense. They needed to score more goals than the opposing team to win, simple as that. Hockey is a team sport, which is why Crosby could play so mediocre and win, and why McDavid could put on an all-time legendary clinic and lose. It's really not even remotely complicated or hard to understand.
McDavid was held off the scoreboard in both games 6 and 7. He deserved the Conn Smythe win, but those last two games tarnished his overall achievement.
pointless in 4 of the 7. it didn't feel like it though lol. idk how shoe in he was for the conn smythe in hindsight. i kinda lean a bit to barkov tbh for the conn smythe.
Gotta say, I agree with Hayes more on this one. The people pointing out all the players who were swept before they won don't seem to appreciate how early in those players careers that happened
Crosby with zero points in his GM7 first cup .. difference is they won. Hayes is a clown. Hockey is the ultimate team sport.. stop talking about NBA examples where they play 8 players in the playoffs and the best players play 40 minutes a game.
This is such a STUPID argument. Please, don't do this. These endless, stupid legacy/GOAT arguments have ruined basketball. Gretzky lost in his first Stanley Cup. Got swept. BUT I don't even want to begin to get into this. Don't do this. Have better discussions. Do better.
I wholly agree. This superstar bullshit is derailing everything. Ice hockey is a team sport. I understand that in basketball it is easier to win with one or two superstars, but it's not like that in hockey. And just because of the nature of the sports. I love to watch basketball (i watched the late Jordan gold live on TV), but hockey is different.
Never seen a CS winner be so invisible in the last two games of a series. Congrats oilers, you played two extra months of hockey and have fuck all to show for it.
Let's not forget that Gretzky didn't win the cup after leaving Edmonton either. Messier won the cup again with Edmonton after Gretzky was gone and again with the New York Rangers. Let that sink in!
Gino Rida is absolutely right the love and joy of Connor Mcdavid has for the game of hockey is as Gretzky & Sidney and his determination to get to sip from the cup and almost did will make him more determined next time!”
Hayes seems lost. Not dangerous? McDavid was 95+ xGF% on 5v5 in game 7. That’s a lot of dominance, despite not scoring. It's a team game. Are you implying that Patrick Maroon is three times better than Ovechkin because he has more cups? Gimme a break.
The greats close out decisive games. In any sport, not just in hockey. Individual accolades are just that, accolades and recognition...what people remember is who won it all. What if this moment is 14 years later and McDavid finally wins it like Bob did tonight. Is he great then? Or what if he never returns to the finals for the rest of his career? This sort of thing happens. There's simply no guarantee, for that reason you got to seize the moment...and the Oilers just didn't do it.
The best player in the world is Sasha Barkov. Wanna how i know that? Because i just saw Barkov take the Stanley Cup from the guy who everyone thought was the best player in the world. Not only did he take it from Mcdavid, but he dominated also dominated him in the process. Barkov literally stopped Mcdavid from ever getting on the score sheet when it team needed him most. Barkov got on the score sheet when Florida needed him. Barkov > Mcdavid
winning a conn smythe when ur team loses just speaks volumes to how impressive mcdavid really is. i think mcdavid atm makes a really good case for being a top 10 player of all time just with that.
Top 10 in any sport is tremendously difficult without winning the big game. Yes he was sensational in the series. But having zero points in game 7 does hurt your legacy.
Legacy? He’s 27. He broke a Gretzky record. He won the Playoff MVP. Hockey is the most balanced of all the professional sports. He is doing unreal considering A) The team they started with B) They live in the salary cap era. C) Hockey is a TEAM game, he did his part AND more.
you mean the team with 4 number one picks and numerous top 5-10 picks.. McDavid is no Crosby or Lemieux,, absent when needed in crunch time.. i dont care about the con smythe.. this was a legacy game where he did literally nothing
What’s with the razzing Connor Mcdavid all the time Mackinnon shouldn’t be even in the conversation Connor Mcdavid made it to 4 th round and almost sipped from the cup the Florida Panthers won because of luck the puck that almost went in but just grazed the outside of the gaol post and the puck that almost went in but the Russian named defence stopped it and so it could of been a 3 to 2 advantage for the Oilers!”
Look at the consistent deep runs of Tampa from 2015-22 all under a salary cap. Not McDavid's fault but he could have taken less money if he truly cared about his legacy.
Florida is a much better built team with a better GM and scouting staff. Wasted a 70 goal season from Hyman, I'm not sure if he cant repeat that. RNH, Ekholm and Hyman are getting older. No depth beyond 6 guys and questionable goaltending.
Until McDavid comes back and wins like Gretz and Crosby... comparing him to them is lazy. You cannot compare what HAS happened with other players to what has NOT happened with McDavid.
It was a great run boys. McDavid is the most exciting sports player to watch. Even though oilers lost, McDavid legacy only grows from here. He has a taste being that close, and has gonna be hungrier now. Watch out in the following years, because hes gonna go beast mode.
I think it doesn’t matter what any of us think. Because none of us can predict what the future holds for McDavid or the oilers or any team for that matter. But, we can all sit here and assume.
I know how great Gretzky he needed a body guard to shadow him to keep other defence men from hitting him but Connor Mcdavid does it all by him self making the gaols truly quite a feat!”
@@earlviney5212 And a bigger son of a gun compared to Connor Mcdavid who could plow right through the d men plus maybe hurting the gaol net minder to get his gaol I’ve seen footage not to long ago.
This question is 1 year too early. Gretzky and Crosby both lost their first appearances in the Final. Both came back and won it the next year. If Edmonton goes out in round 1 next year, maybe then we start to ask this question.
Honestly, the fact that so often forgotten with this sport is that it’s not up to one guy, I wish it was, I wish hockey came down to one person. But it’s the highest team sport possible.
Turns out McDavid has an abdominal injury since before the playoffs and will likely require surgery. Draisaitl has had a broken finger on his shooting hand and broken rib since the Vancouver series. ...Hayes, your take is just your jealous leaf fan crap again 😂
This is a conversation that needs to be shelved for a later date. If Edmonton learns from this and wins the Cup next year then all of the comparisons Gino is making will make sense, but objectively you have to take things as they are today. You can hope that your projections come to fruition, but you can’t talk about it like it is guaranteed to happen. Yzerman was looked at as a very good player who couldn’t deliver until he finally did. So based on what has actually happened, not what could have or what we hope will happen, McDavid is a very good player who has yet to deliver, and we can revisit this topic at the end of the next season.
Exactly!! Matthews wins a League MVP, and all of a sudden he is right up there with Howe, Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr?!?! I love how Hayes says that even if the Oilers lost in Round 1, he would still be the best player in the league. We both know that if they lost in the first round, everyone won at TSN would be the first ones dissing McDavid and bowing down at the feet of Matthews.
First of all, Gino...you are the best! Got hooked on all of your UA-cam videos, analysis and passionate joy for the game this post season. Your banter with your guests is awesome and you stick by your opinion. Everybody had the Oilers done a lot earlier than Game 7 of The Final. You said that McDavid wouldn't let that happen and you were right. Your guests owe you a lot of "you were right Gino". Last night, a close game. Florida played so well defensively and when you have two great teams playing their best, puck luck does become a factor playing a game at breakneck speed with a little rubber puck. Sometimes you get the bounces, sometimes you don't. McDavid is always a factor on the ice, whether he's on the scoreboard or not and when the superstar beats a Gretzky recored for apples, we were all enriched by watching this guy play the game at such a level during this post season. A master of the game, like Jordan, like Tiger, like Brady and the precious few who have dominated their sport with such a high level of dominance and entertainment for the pure fan. We all wanted McDavid to hoist the cup. He deserves it. But diminishing his significance by not doing so on this run is nonsense. Hockey is more of an all roster team sport than any. One guy can't win it alone. Congrats McD and the Oil for a great post season!!
Ya I agree , Also now they have been pushed farther then any other team minus the panthers and all their fans EXPECT them to come back better next year. It will either make them or break them.
Some forget that Gretzky's first Stanley cup appearance he got mopped in 4 straight to the Islanders, and as he stated in interviews what he saw when he walked past the locker room he didn't see them celebrating the win but them completely exhausted with ice packs, oxygen tanks thats when he realized what it takes to win. Next year they won.
Well that's because they didn't do anything all that great, they put everyone in front of the net to push everything to the sides and kept shooting the puck across the ice for the icing call for half of the 3rd, and just piled guys into the boards to keep the puck caught up to drag the game out. It was a smart decision with them having the lead, but it wasn't won hard or entertainingly. But a win is a win and they got the Cup by playing it safe.
We will only know once he retires. The thing is its extremely hard to make it back to the finals. most players dont make it, some only make it, and some make it and win it. If McDavid hasnt won the cup by the time he retires, this will haunt him. Its not the Gretzky era.
The thing that hurts his legacy, which is still being written, is that he did not show up in the ultimate game. If Lebron James lost game 7 in the finals and did not score a point he would be dumped on for failing his team. That is what McDavid did, it doesn't change who he is and what he is, it just lessens his trophy shelf, maybe forever. He may never play in a final again, ever. Gino's argument is only made if McDavid returns to the cup final and wins at some point in the future.
its truly amazing how many ppl on here the morning after are praising the hell out of the Florida win and at the same time are bashing the Oilers and just brutalizing McDavid for not getting the job done. The remarks are non stop on YT and even FB. Amazing how immature "hockey fans" can be....
The Problem with Mcdavid is the same issue i am seeing with other sports like L.James in the NBA. We have an overhype mentality for him, like all you hear in the western hockey media how he is this unstopable machine the greatest player in the world and all that. But the problem is with that is, i see people really not calling him out on his BS until the season is over, like if he has a pointless streak or start having pissy fits with cheap shots on other teams players just having a blow out of a game. And for record i don't think he is a bad player i can see him making NHL history... the problem is when he is having a cold streak or fits call it out or he needs to do what some of rhe GOAT's do like Crosby, Gretzky and even on the NBA side Jordan and Kobe did, study what they were sloppy last game or when someone is razzing him out and they have a goal and 2 assists dig deep and double that in the next remaning periods. For me not only that would prove he is the next legacy of the NHL but that would be the key to clutch lord Stanley's cup, cause sure he was batter and hurt but i bet everyone else on the team and the panthers were, just the panthers had that killer instinct and hunger from last years blowout. The moment McDavid does that the team would follow suit with relentless mentality if he puts it up.
You’re right Gino. McDavid is just entering his prime. The Salary Cap just went up. Players have seen the Edmonton atmosphere. If you want to win the cup and have a fun time doing it. Take a pay cut and play for the Oilers. This just made us BETTER as a franchise. Bryan, just remember… Stuart Skinner has more career Stanley Cup Final points than Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander and Morgan Reilly COMBINED. Hayesy, just say you relieved the Oilers didn’t win. But don’t be blind to the incredible performance of McDavid during this run & how hockey players will want to play for Edmonton during our window.
Exiting his prime* only 6 players in the history of the league have led the league in a stat past the age of 30. Crosby hasn’t led the league in a stat since 29 years of age. Gretzky and Lemieux had their best seasons between 22 and 27. Mcdavid will be 28 next year The average age for a player to lead the nhl in goals is 25 and points is 27. McDavid will never be as godly as he is now in the future.
McDavid "legacy" won't get off the ground until he is out of Edmonton, or any Canadian team for that matter. Canadian teams get a sniff once every 6 years, it's an American game and big business now. Canuck buck and taxes is not beneficial to any Canadian team.
Im in the predicament of I dislike mcdavid because he is over rewarded for a lack of overall success while other generational players of the past (im really just talking ovi) had sooo much of their career defined by hockey journalists saying he didn't want it enough vs now being annoyed that it is actually happening to mcdavid bc ultimately in BOTH cases the reason for lack of success is not the effort of those players but the lack of depth and strength as a team
I thought about saying this during the regular season when Edmonton was near the bottom of the standings but I'll say this now. The best thing the Oilers could do for McDavid is trade him. He's not winning a cup with Edmonton. And it would be a crime against sport to see that man not win a cup. Unfortunately for McDavid I think he's too nice to want to leave and could sacrifice his prime years, his best shot, remaining loyal to the shitty undeserving franchise that drafted him. So he might be destined to never win a cup as a player. The Edmonton Oilers franchise is too arrogant and toxic due to decades of dynasty-legacy memberberries, old-boys-club nepotism and inept tanking culture to ever win.
McDavid isn't done playing yet and a career isn't decided on one season. Gretzky only won his Stanley cups in Edmonton and on no other team, does that count against him? Does that mean the team carried him? There are no Dynasty teams like their used to be. The Cap ended that. Ovechkin didn't win his cup right away but it doesn't take away from how great he was prior to winning it. I sure hope the Oilers can get it done next season, they certainly deserve it.
At the end of the day, Hayes is right to an extent. Breaking records and accumulating absurd amounts of points is great and speaks to how amazing McDavid is, but that's not why NHLers play the game; they play it to win, and McDavid hasn't done that yet. He will need at least one cup to be in the Gretzky/Crosby category. All time greats will their teams to championships, and he needs to do that before he's truly considered one. He still has time, and that's why I don't think his legacy is hurt just yet. I'm sure he will win at least one. If he wins multiple,I think we're having real discussions about McDavid over Gretzky.
I’d take Barkov at this point. I do think his lack of points in game 6 is not indicative of his impact (it’s actually an artifact of data-type). He learned over the year that he can’t put score his problems. He’s a better player this year and he’ll be better next year, but so will everyone else, so get ready…
I don't think anybody knows his legacy which is going to be down the road. I personally think he's going to be one of those individuals that's considered to be the greatest but without a cup.
Why does TSN continually put on these stupid videos. What legacy? He's 27. Were you guys talking about his legacy when the Oilers lost in 2017 in like his second year?! Ridiculous Secondly, what's with the absolute disrespect for Florida that you expect that McDavid, Draisaitl or anyone else should just be able to get 4 points a night against them. Edmonton and Florida were the two best teams in the league and Florida one by one goal.
Lindros made it to the Finals much faster than McDavid, including beating Mario/Jagr, Hasek, Wayne/Messier to get to the finals before getting swept by a Detroit team loaded with HOFers.
Gino is off his rocker. Gretzky had won 3 cups by the time he was 9 seasons into his career. Sid lost in his 3rd year and won in his 4th. McDavid did nothing meaningful in any of the important games and this run was overblown. He put up 5pts in one game against a terrible LAK team and had a pair of useless 4pt games in blowouts. 2 shots and no points in game 6 or 7. He can't be trusted to play defence. He's a terrible leader and his team will never get this easy of a run to the finals again. LA was garbage, they struggled against another garbage team in Vancouver as well. Good luck having Vegas finish that poorly again anytime soon, and the rest of the division is improving. Regardless of if Draisaitl leaves, or the team signs a 3rd one dimensional player to a grossly overpriced contract, McDavid will never win a cup with this team, or as the leader of a team. He's not even a top 10 player in the league today, let alone all time. Putting up big points in blowout games while offering your team nothing outside of power plays and oddman rushes.
Crosby had no points in game 7 in 2009 and no one questioned his legacy at the time because the penguins won. If oilers won no one would care that McDavid had no points in game 7
2 best players in nhl for last 9 yrs and still cant win, what a massive waste of talent by edmonton w mcdavid and draisaitl in there prime - draisaitl is a UFA nexr yr and is almost 30 - the gates are closing on that "dynasty" you are speaking about gino
guy rhymed off all these guys losing their first final appearance and didnt mention that those guys were 20-23 years old when they lost.... Mcdavid is 27 and its taken him 10 years to even get toa single final...
Bryan Hayes is simply saying what every non-hockey fan sees from the outside. If McJesus were so great, why was he MIA in game 7? He’s the literal Lebron of the NHL. Don’t bother mentioning his name with Crosby or Ovechkin let alone 99.
MJ won the championship after how many years in the league? Winning the cup and the championship are not easy and CM is nearly there. I would never discount McDavid and the Oilers out.
In a vacuum it’s a failure. He and his team couldn’t get the job done. Fact is we don’t know what the future holds. Perhaps he can use this experience as fuel and spin it into a championship one day and it will make the journey all the more satisfying …. but that is still unknown. There is also a very real reality in which that’s the closest he will ever get.
What? Dude, you're completely wrong! And basketball is nothing like hockey. This is more on the GM Holland than on McDavid! Panthers didn't finish last year, hopefully McDavid will next year. Look how long it took for Super Mario to win!
crosby was 21 yrs old, as was much of his team. a bunch of kids...... lost to one of the greatest dynasties in NHL history in 6 games. came back and beat the red wings IN detroit, in game 7. completely different contexts
@@ahrhebbx2239he could've done both that's what players do , at the end he admitted it was nice to have his name among some of the Conn Smythe winners
Crosby and Gretzky both lost in their first Cup finals, yetI don't remember them winning the MVP. I certainly don't remember Crosby breaking any Gretzky records. His legacy wen't down though.... lol please.
Have YOUR say, did McDavid's performance in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals impact the greatness of his legacy?
Hayes is an idiot. I can't believe you guys posted this shit.
yes, from this day forward, he has proven to be Connor McChoked.
It didn't impact anything. He's a great player, no doubt about it, but I'm sure he himself wanted to be a much bigger factor in g7... because who knows when he'll have the chance next time, if ever.. and "inches away" means nothing 🤣
Not at all he won a conne smythe without winning the cup another amazing achievement that almost no player has done and when he wins the cup next year he will win another conn smythe back to back..
Hayes is right.
His legacy didn't really take a hit in my opinion, but it was a missed opportunity. He's not in the conversation with the greatest ever until he closes.
Crosby and Gretzky were much younger when they lost their first.
This Stanley Cup experience will make McDavid extremely dangerous. Great players learn from these kind of defeats.
Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky all won in their first few years, and won multiple times with youth on their teams. McDavid is going into his 10th season, with the 2nd oldest team in the NHL and that makes it hard to believe Edmonton could be a dynasty. The window is closing. Yzerman won later in his career but his team was stacked with all stars. Edmonton has 2 players.
lemieux did not win till year 7
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs gretzky was on a loaded team ,has zero cups away from that loaded team ,and that team won a cup without him ,to prove they were loaded
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs oh boy u think the 2024 oilers r the 84 oilers , my god the 2024 oilers r not loaded . What r u smoking
@Julia_Hammels_ ok come on. Yea I dont think they will win a cup either, but they are easily gunna make the playoffs feasting on 2/3 of the league with their offensive skill. The west doesnt have 8 teams better than the oilers.
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs Hyman I'd not a 50 goal guy🤣🤣 dudes put up if lucky 15 goal seasons his entire career. He's a nobody riding free
Finally someone on TSN with some sense. Of coarse it hurts his legacy. You think Crosby is losing a game 7 in the finals. No way. Until McDavid learn to back check he will lose. Period. He needs to do all the little things to win.
The guy on the left is delusional.
Stop worrying about how many points you can get. Once Sid got his first cup that's all he cared about. He became a complete player. McDavid has yet to make that transition.
To be fair Crosby was hot garbage in Game 7 of the 2009 finals and most of the finals in general.
@@epicphailure88 Crosby was never hot garbage. You leave out the fact of his injury because he had a broken hand. Before that he was leading the playoffs in scoring. He sat on the bench in the second half of the final game.
McDavid has zero points in the last two games. No comparison to be made. If not for the injury he would have three playoff MVPs. Not two.
Also he was the best player on the ice with one hand. With 7 blocked shots and 9 takeaways. You know the little things that wins cups. What McDavid doesn't do.
@@chelious1973couldn’t agree more brother.
Such a cliche and bad take. Stuart Skinner let in one of the softest goals possible while McDavid was sitting on the bench, that is why they lost game 7. The idea that the Oilers just needed "McDavid to backcheck" and they would have won is just complete and total nonsense. They needed to score more goals than the opposing team to win, simple as that. Hockey is a team sport, which is why Crosby could play so mediocre and win, and why McDavid could put on an all-time legendary clinic and lose. It's really not even remotely complicated or hard to understand.
McDavid was held off the scoreboard in both games 6 and 7. He deserved the Conn Smythe win, but those last two games tarnished his overall achievement.
Someone else said it
Dude put back to back 4 point games up to bring his team to game 6 lmao. And had 40 something points. He deserved it.
pointless in 4 of the 7. it didn't feel like it though lol.
idk how shoe in he was for the conn smythe in hindsight. i kinda lean a bit to barkov tbh for the conn smythe.
@@somerandomidiot1333 4 point games in 8-1 and 5-1 wins. he was great at moments, but idk. pointless in 4 of 7
@somerandomidiot1333 those were all garbage time points.
Connor McDisappeared when it came time to put some work in for the cup.
Gotta say, I agree with Hayes more on this one. The people pointing out all the players who were swept before they won don't seem to appreciate how early in those players careers that happened
Sadly, I agree as well as an Oilers fan. We love McDavid but until he puts a couple cups behind his name, he will never get the legacy he wants
Why are we acting like it was his only chance at winning it. Crosby and Wayne lost their first final
Crosby with zero points in his GM7 first cup .. difference is they won. Hayes is a clown. Hockey is the ultimate team sport.. stop talking about NBA examples where they play 8 players in the playoffs and the best players play 40 minutes a game.
Crosby was also only 21 when he eventually won the following season. Mcdavid is currently 27 with zero cups.
@@meelosh92 Hockey is the ultimate team game. It's too easy to have that take.
@@shytcardzbingo...Crosby also had more competent mgt too
My point exactly!
Absolutely not, as a panthers fan he is undeniably the best player in the world and showcased it all playoffs.
The guy with 144 points says otherwise. 8 pts in 2 games after Draisaitl concussed Barkov.
@@rt-rd5of what are you arguing here?
Agreed! He was “by far” the best player in the Playoffs
This is such a STUPID argument.
Please, don't do this. These endless, stupid legacy/GOAT arguments have ruined basketball.
Gretzky lost in his first Stanley Cup. Got swept.
BUT I don't even want to begin to get into this. Don't do this.
Have better discussions. Do better.
I wholly agree. This superstar bullshit is derailing everything. Ice hockey is a team sport. I understand that in basketball it is easier to win with one or two superstars, but it's not like that in hockey. And just because of the nature of the sports. I love to watch basketball (i watched the late Jordan gold live on TV), but hockey is different.
@@zeozeozevoHockey is where today's Gladiators are.
Sorry Nate, this is a great debate. Emotional conversations like this happen because we are passionate sports fans. I’m not giving up on that.
Do better, exactly 👍
@17NateJohnson basketball ruins basketball.
Never seen a CS winner be so invisible in the last two games of a series. Congrats oilers, you played two extra months of hockey and have fuck all to show for it.
Cmon now, they got nurse a goal!
You must not have remembered what Crosby looked like during his Conn Smythe seasons
Sid and Gretzky both lost in the finals before coming back to win the cup. You will get this McDavid
Let's not forget that Gretzky didn't win the cup after leaving Edmonton either. Messier won the cup again with Edmonton after Gretzky was gone and again with the New York Rangers. Let that sink in!
Gino Rida is absolutely right the love and joy of Connor Mcdavid has for the
game of hockey is as Gretzky & Sidney and his determination to get to sip
from the cup and almost did will make him more determined next time!”
He had leetch and richter@@darrenh6169
Hayes seems lost. Not dangerous? McDavid was 95+ xGF% on 5v5 in game 7. That’s a lot of dominance, despite not scoring. It's a team game. Are you implying that Patrick Maroon is three times better than Ovechkin because he has more cups? Gimme a break.
The greats close out decisive games. In any sport, not just in hockey. Individual accolades are just that, accolades and recognition...what people remember is who won it all.
What if this moment is 14 years later and McDavid finally wins it like Bob did tonight. Is he great then? Or what if he never returns to the finals for the rest of his career? This sort of thing happens. There's simply no guarantee, for that reason you got to seize the moment...and the Oilers just didn't do it.
The best player in the world is Sasha Barkov.
Wanna how i know that?
Because i just saw Barkov take the Stanley Cup from the guy who everyone thought was the best player in the world.
Not only did he take it from Mcdavid, but he dominated also dominated him in the process. Barkov literally stopped Mcdavid from ever getting on the score sheet when it team needed him most.
Barkov got on the score sheet when Florida needed him.
Barkov > Mcdavid
Alas, I have to agree. McDavid couldn’t break the system that Florida used to shut him down.
Full credit to the Panthers for what they did to McDavid!
winning a conn smythe when ur team loses just speaks volumes to how impressive mcdavid really is. i think mcdavid atm makes a really good case for being a top 10 player of all time just with that.
he is already top 10.
Top 10 in any sport is tremendously difficult without winning the big game. Yes he was sensational in the series. But having zero points in game 7 does hurt your legacy.
He wouldn't be over 40 points if Draisaitl didn't headshot Barkov. It speaks volumes about what a concussion can do.
Legacy? He’s 27.
He broke a Gretzky record.
He won the Playoff MVP.
Hockey is the most balanced of all the professional sports.
He is doing unreal considering
A) The team they started with
B) They live in the salary cap era.
C) Hockey is a TEAM game, he did his part AND more.
you mean the team with 4 number one picks and numerous top 5-10 picks.. McDavid is no Crosby or Lemieux,, absent when needed in crunch time.. i dont care about the con smythe.. this was a legacy game where he did literally nothing
@@Jim-iv7yq Found Bryan’s burner account
Crosby was only 21 when he first won.
Crosby>Mcdavid forever
Well said
@@meelosh92Exactly.
I'd take MacKinnon and his 2022 Cup over Cup-less McDavid every day of the week
Then you’re an idiot, switch the two players and Mack doesn’t have a cup
That Avs team were a freight train of offense.
What’s with the razzing Connor Mcdavid all the time Mackinnon
shouldn’t be even in the conversation
Connor Mcdavid made it to 4 th round
and almost sipped from the cup the
Florida Panthers won because of luck
the puck that almost went in but just
grazed the outside of the gaol post
and the puck that almost went in
but the Russian named defence
stopped it and so it could of been
a 3 to 2 advantage for the Oilers!”
Why are you msg of 2022 season play
off it’s different play off 2024 right now!”
@@calgary2800 Why should I want to know about the Avs how they were
Remind me of any of the legends who played under the current cap or 32 teams? Ridiculous comparisons.
Look at the consistent deep runs of Tampa from 2015-22 all under a salary cap. Not McDavid's fault but he could have taken less money if he truly cared about his legacy.
History only remembers the cup winners, Period. Sad but true.
Look! Florida Lost last year in the SCF and came back stronger than ever!
Oilers with Mcdavid will have more than one SCF !!
Florida is a much better built team with a better GM and scouting staff. Wasted a 70 goal season from Hyman, I'm not sure if he cant repeat that. RNH, Ekholm and Hyman are getting older. No depth beyond 6 guys and questionable goaltending.
Nobody talking about Barkov makes me giggle. We will be back again next year to continue the dynasty run.
I find it fascinating how two competing points of view can both be right and wrong at the same time. Perspective is everything, after all, isn't it?
Good point Jeff
Until McDavid comes back and wins like Gretz and Crosby... comparing him to them is lazy. You cannot compare what HAS happened with other players to what has NOT happened with McDavid.
If McDavid was playing in the cap-less era he'd have a handful of rings.
The people who were saying he was better than Wayne and Mario are very quiet today.
The only way this affects his legacy is if he doesn’t get a cup. If he gets a cup it’s water under the bridge, if not then you have this conversation.
That's right and he still does not have the cup
Bro played the series with an injury that will likely require surgery. The man is the best player in the world!
It was a great run boys. McDavid is the most exciting sports player to watch. Even though oilers lost, McDavid legacy only grows from here. He has a taste being that close, and has gonna be hungrier now. Watch out in the following years, because hes gonna go beast mode.
Hayes is a joke. Stick to those golf clubs.
Hayes is right
You got that right
I think it doesn’t matter what any of us think. Because none of us can predict what the future holds for McDavid or the oilers or any team for that matter. But, we can all sit here and assume.
I know how great Gretzky he needed a body guard to shadow him to keep other defence men from hitting him but Connor Mcdavid does it all by him self making the gaols truly quite a feat!”
Mario lemieux did it all by himself he is still the most exciting player to ever play
@@earlviney5212 And a bigger son of a gun compared to Connor Mcdavid
who could plow right through the
d men plus maybe hurting the gaol
net minder to get his gaol I’ve seen
footage not to long ago.
This question is 1 year too early. Gretzky and Crosby both lost their first appearances in the Final. Both came back and won it the next year. If Edmonton goes out in round 1 next year, maybe then we start to ask this question.
Honestly, the fact that so often forgotten with this sport is that it’s not up to one guy, I wish it was, I wish hockey came down to one person. But it’s the highest team sport possible.
Bryan Hayes.... More like Bryan Hates.
I bet if it was Austin Matthew's this clown Hayes would say it's a stepping stone.
What legacy?
Turns out McDavid has an abdominal injury since before the playoffs and will likely require surgery. Draisaitl has had a broken finger on his shooting hand and broken rib since the Vancouver series. ...Hayes, your take is just your jealous leaf fan crap again 😂
This is a conversation that needs to be shelved for a later date. If Edmonton learns from this and wins the Cup next year then all of the comparisons Gino is making will make sense, but objectively you have to take things as they are today. You can hope that your projections come to fruition, but you can’t talk about it like it is guaranteed to happen. Yzerman was looked at as a very good player who couldn’t deliver until he finally did. So based on what has actually happened, not what could have or what we hope will happen, McDavid is a very good player who has yet to deliver, and we can revisit this topic at the end of the next season.
Hayes needs a brain transplant. And who says McDavid's Legacy is over. For the love of anything good and pure!
He's 28 the clock is ticking
What does winning only a single round all career do to Austin Matthew’s legacy? Curious how the Toronto Sports Network would answer that question.
Exactly!! Matthews wins a League MVP, and all of a sudden he is right up there with Howe, Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr?!?!
I love how Hayes says that even if the Oilers lost in Round 1, he would still be the best player in the league. We both know that if they lost in the first round, everyone won at TSN would be the first ones dissing McDavid and bowing down at the feet of Matthews.
He didn’t score a point the last two games. Looks terrible
First of all, Gino...you are the best! Got hooked on all of your UA-cam videos, analysis and passionate joy for the game this post season. Your banter with your guests is awesome and you stick by your opinion. Everybody had the Oilers done a lot earlier than Game 7 of The Final. You said that McDavid wouldn't let that happen and you were right. Your guests owe you a lot of "you were right Gino". Last night, a close game. Florida played so well defensively and when you have two great teams playing their best, puck luck does become a factor playing a game at breakneck speed with a little rubber puck. Sometimes you get the bounces, sometimes you don't. McDavid is always a factor on the ice, whether he's on the scoreboard or not and when the superstar beats a Gretzky recored for apples, we were all enriched by watching this guy play the game at such a level during this post season. A master of the game, like Jordan, like Tiger, like Brady and the precious few who have dominated their sport with such a high level of dominance and entertainment for the pure fan. We all wanted McDavid to hoist the cup. He deserves it. But diminishing his significance by not doing so on this run is nonsense. Hockey is more of an all roster team sport than any. One guy can't win it alone. Congrats McD and the Oil for a great post season!!
Wow! Great points! Especially loved your first comment. 😂. Next debate with Hayes, I may just tag you in 😂
Not if he wins a cup, which he'll never do.
Florida will remember who they played to win their first trophy forever !!
This definitely looked like this was mcdavids last cup run with Oilers
Disagree… merely the start of something great
Lot of flaws with the Oilers team. They need a better goalie or better depth to win. Cant just have 6 good players.
Ya I agree , Also now they have been pushed farther then any other team minus the panthers and all their fans EXPECT them to come back better next year.
It will either make them or break them.
Some forget that Gretzky's first Stanley cup appearance he got mopped in 4 straight to the Islanders, and as he stated in interviews what he saw when he walked past the locker room he didn't see them celebrating the win but them completely exhausted with ice packs, oxygen tanks thats when he realized what it takes to win. Next year they won.
It's nice how Florida gets no credit at all for shutting down him and Draisaitl.
Well that's because they didn't do anything all that great, they put everyone in front of the net to push everything to the sides and kept shooting the puck across the ice for the icing call for half of the 3rd, and just piled guys into the boards to keep the puck caught up to drag the game out. It was a smart decision with them having the lead, but it wasn't won hard or entertainingly. But a win is a win and they got the Cup by playing it safe.
McDavid and Draisaitl took themselves out more by being on the ice for far too long and often.
We will only know once he retires. The thing is its extremely hard to make it back to the finals. most players dont make it, some only make it, and some make it and win it. If McDavid hasnt won the cup by the time he retires, this will haunt him. Its not the Gretzky era.
The thing that hurts his legacy, which is still being written, is that he did not show up in the ultimate game. If Lebron James lost game 7 in the finals and did not score a point he would be dumped on for failing his team. That is what McDavid did, it doesn't change who he is and what he is, it just lessens his trophy shelf, maybe forever. He may never play in a final again, ever.
Gino's argument is only made if McDavid returns to the cup final and wins at some point in the future.
In no way! Just watch… who even pays that dude on the right? Looks like a personal thing… but hey, maybe it‘s me
its truly amazing how many ppl on here the morning after are praising the hell out of the Florida win and at the same time are bashing the Oilers and just brutalizing McDavid for not getting the job done. The remarks are non stop on YT and even FB. Amazing how immature "hockey fans" can be....
wow I'm surprised there is someone shooting it straight on TSN.
kudos Bryan Hayes for telling the truth to the audiences in Canada.
The Problem with Mcdavid is the same issue i am seeing with other sports like L.James in the NBA. We have an overhype mentality for him, like all you hear in the western hockey media how he is this unstopable machine the greatest player in the world and all that.
But the problem is with that is, i see people really not calling him out on his BS until the season is over, like if he has a pointless streak or start having pissy fits with cheap shots on other teams players just having a blow out of a game.
And for record i don't think he is a bad player i can see him making NHL history... the problem is when he is having a cold streak or fits call it out or he needs to do what some of rhe GOAT's do like Crosby, Gretzky and even on the NBA side Jordan and Kobe did, study what they were sloppy last game or when someone is razzing him out and they have a goal and 2 assists dig deep and double that in the next remaning periods.
For me not only that would prove he is the next legacy of the NHL but that would be the key to clutch lord Stanley's cup, cause sure he was batter and hurt but i bet everyone else on the team and the panthers were, just the panthers had that killer instinct and hunger from last years blowout.
The moment McDavid does that the team would follow suit with relentless mentality if he puts it up.
You’re right Gino. McDavid is just entering his prime. The Salary Cap just went up.
Players have seen the Edmonton atmosphere.
If you want to win the cup and have a fun time doing it. Take a pay cut and play for the Oilers.
This just made us BETTER as a franchise.
Bryan, just remember… Stuart Skinner has more career Stanley Cup Final points than Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander and Morgan Reilly COMBINED.
Hayesy, just say you relieved the Oilers didn’t win. But don’t be blind to the incredible performance of McDavid during this run & how hockey players will want to play for Edmonton during our window.
Exiting his prime* only 6 players in the history of the league have led the league in a stat past the age of 30.
Crosby hasn’t led the league in a stat since 29 years of age.
Gretzky and Lemieux had their best seasons between 22 and 27.
Mcdavid will be 28 next year
The average age for a player to lead the nhl in goals is 25 and points is 27.
McDavid will never be as godly as he is now in the future.
Bryan, are you willing to eat crow if it’s revealed that he was injured in games 6 and 7?
No, because he wasn't injured in games 1-3, and they got fucked up right away
Bryan is correct, I was disappointed with McDavid’s performance, he should have scored and won, ninth season already 😢
TSN doing their best ESPCNN impression i see... Of course it didn't because I have two words, Steve Yzerman
There is no “legacy” without winning a Cup. He needs to win first. Scoring titles won’t matter without a Cup victory.
McDavid "legacy" won't get off the ground until he is out of Edmonton, or any Canadian team for that matter. Canadian teams get a sniff once every 6 years, it's an American game and big business now. Canuck buck and taxes is not beneficial to any Canadian team.
What about a blemish on the Oiler's organization? McDavid needs depth behind him.
Im in the predicament of I dislike mcdavid because he is over rewarded for a lack of overall success while other generational players of the past (im really just talking ovi) had sooo much of their career defined by hockey journalists saying he didn't want it enough vs now being annoyed that it is actually happening to mcdavid bc ultimately in BOTH cases the reason for lack of success is not the effort of those players but the lack of depth and strength as a team
I thought about saying this during the regular season when Edmonton was near the bottom of the standings but I'll say this now. The best thing the Oilers could do for McDavid is trade him. He's not winning a cup with Edmonton. And it would be a crime against sport to see that man not win a cup. Unfortunately for McDavid I think he's too nice to want to leave and could sacrifice his prime years, his best shot, remaining loyal to the shitty undeserving franchise that drafted him. So he might be destined to never win a cup as a player. The Edmonton Oilers franchise is too arrogant and toxic due to decades of dynasty-legacy memberberries, old-boys-club nepotism and inept tanking culture to ever win.
Gino Reda is a very smart man
😂
McDavid isn't done playing yet and a career isn't decided on one season. Gretzky only won his Stanley cups in Edmonton and on no other team, does that count against him? Does that mean the team carried him? There are no Dynasty teams like their used to be. The Cap ended that. Ovechkin didn't win his cup right away but it doesn't take away from how great he was prior to winning it.
I sure hope the Oilers can get it done next season, they certainly deserve it.
Reda won this argument but McDavid really didn’t show up in the biggest game of his career.
This Hayes dude is such a fraud
At the end of the day, Hayes is right to an extent. Breaking records and accumulating absurd amounts of points is great and speaks to how amazing McDavid is, but that's not why NHLers play the game; they play it to win, and McDavid hasn't done that yet. He will need at least one cup to be in the Gretzky/Crosby category. All time greats will their teams to championships, and he needs to do that before he's truly considered one. He still has time, and that's why I don't think his legacy is hurt just yet. I'm sure he will win at least one. If he wins multiple,I think we're having real discussions about McDavid over Gretzky.
Thanks to him that we didn’t get the free pizza at Edmonton
of which legacy do you speak
I’d take Barkov at this point. I do think his lack of points in game 6 is not indicative of his impact (it’s actually an artifact of data-type). He learned over the year that he can’t put score his problems. He’s a better player this year and he’ll be better next year, but so will everyone else, so get ready…
Gino, you are RIGHT! I completely agree with you!
McDavid is our hero. Next year the Cup will be in Edmonton!
McDavid carried the Oilers.
I agree with Gino to win mvp and be on the losing side is pretty amazing. It’s a building block for him.
I don't think anybody knows his legacy which is going to be down the road. I personally think he's going to be one of those individuals that's considered to be the greatest but without a cup.
Why does TSN continually put on these stupid videos. What legacy? He's 27. Were you guys talking about his legacy when the Oilers lost in 2017 in like his second year?! Ridiculous
Secondly, what's with the absolute disrespect for Florida that you expect that McDavid, Draisaitl or anyone else should just be able to get 4 points a night against them.
Edmonton and Florida were the two best teams in the league and Florida one by one goal.
Lindros made it to the Finals much faster than McDavid, including beating Mario/Jagr, Hasek, Wayne/Messier to get to the finals before getting swept by a Detroit team loaded with HOFers.
Gino is off his rocker. Gretzky had won 3 cups by the time he was 9 seasons into his career. Sid lost in his 3rd year and won in his 4th. McDavid did nothing meaningful in any of the important games and this run was overblown. He put up 5pts in one game against a terrible LAK team and had a pair of useless 4pt games in blowouts. 2 shots and no points in game 6 or 7. He can't be trusted to play defence. He's a terrible leader and his team will never get this easy of a run to the finals again. LA was garbage, they struggled against another garbage team in Vancouver as well. Good luck having Vegas finish that poorly again anytime soon, and the rest of the division is improving. Regardless of if Draisaitl leaves, or the team signs a 3rd one dimensional player to a grossly overpriced contract, McDavid will never win a cup with this team, or as the leader of a team. He's not even a top 10 player in the league today, let alone all time. Putting up big points in blowout games while offering your team nothing outside of power plays and oddman rushes.
Crosby had no points in game 7 in 2009 and no one questioned his legacy at the time because the penguins won. If oilers won no one would care that McDavid had no points in game 7
2 best players in nhl for last 9 yrs and still cant win, what a massive waste of talent by edmonton w mcdavid and draisaitl in there prime - draisaitl is a UFA nexr yr and is almost 30 - the gates are closing on that "dynasty" you are speaking about gino
rich coming from leafs boy
guy rhymed off all these guys losing their first final appearance and didnt mention that those guys were 20-23 years old when they lost.... Mcdavid is 27 and its taken him 10 years to even get toa single final...
Bryan Hayes is simply saying what every non-hockey fan sees from the outside. If McJesus were so great, why was he MIA in game 7? He’s the literal Lebron of the NHL. Don’t bother mentioning his name with Crosby or Ovechkin let alone 99.
Does Hayes think he's already retiring?
Until he wins the Cup he will be the Dan Marino of hockey. And he needs to do it in Edmonton.
Is this Mcdavids last year. Go cover your leafs Hayes. Have fun with that.
Oilers are like the leafs never showed up for game 7
Poor Connor... he's getting Rick Nashed out here by Edmonton
MJ won the championship after how many years in the league? Winning the cup and the championship are not easy and CM is nearly there. I would never discount McDavid and the Oilers out.
Gino Reda is like Ron Burgundy, minus the talent, sex appeal, humor, and good looks.
So basically, he's Gino Reda.
When the Panthers lost last year, it proved that they were losers, right?
He isn't done playing yet and a career isn't decided on one season.
Hayze-B nailed it. Totally agree.
In a vacuum it’s a failure. He and his team couldn’t get the job done. Fact is we don’t know what the future holds. Perhaps he can use this experience as fuel and spin it into a championship one day and it will make the journey all the more satisfying …. but that is still unknown. There is also a very real reality in which that’s the closest he will ever get.
Crosby and Gretzky both lost their first final
What? Dude, you're completely wrong! And basketball is nothing like hockey.
This is more on the GM Holland than on McDavid!
Panthers didn't finish last year, hopefully McDavid will next year.
Look how long it took for Super Mario to win!
crosby was 21 yrs old, as was much of his team. a bunch of kids...... lost to one of the greatest dynasties in NHL history in 6 games. came back and beat the red wings IN detroit, in game 7. completely different contexts
When you're in God tier you need to produce in these games. Massive missed opportunity.
McDavid showed a losers mentality not coming out to receive the Conn Smythe very poor sportsmanship
Not at all. Would rather be with his team than celebrate a personal achievement. That’s what leaders do, especially when you have C on your chest
Name one player that was awarded the Conn Smythe and he never showed up to receive it @@ahrhebbx2239
@@ahrhebbx2239he could've done both that's what players do , at the end he admitted it was nice to have his name among some of the Conn Smythe winners
Crosby and Gretzky both lost in their first Cup finals, yetI don't remember them winning the MVP. I certainly don't remember Crosby breaking any Gretzky records. His legacy wen't down though.... lol please.
McDavid will be the GOAT when he wins the Cup with the Leafs. Thats greater than the 3 to 0 comeback.