I am so happy for this video. I get this deep seated anger when Patrick's day approaches and remember all the lies I was told growing up. I'm so thankful our ancestors hid so many valuable truths for us to discover
@@CarlinConnolly I dont think that was possible in a Christian society. Once that take over happened freedom to follow the old ways put in the open was gone
It could’ve been possible if only Christianity of the time was not mutually exclusive. Which would be a tall order, given that most Christians insist on putting the Christian god over all others. The Bible even says as much about putting no other Gods before the One, if I recall.
@@lowlandnobleman6746 exactly. The very beleif system of christianity encourages division and lack of acceptance. The only reason we all have freedom to choose now is the legal recognition of the individual right to religion and the seperation of "church and state". Which did not exist then
I think They were always aspects of the greater God, just given new life and names, but there are many such saints and I don’t consider them mythological characters because I know they are real just as our ancestors did.
People are unwilling to give up their history and culture, especially when a massive chunk of the changes happening around you are by force, not faith. Thus eminents of the old culture are preserved in new ways by the people who only converted out of fear for their lives. Or at least that's how I understand it.
thank you this was very interesting , im totally fascinated with the connection of Crom crock with Patrick and the comparison of the driving of the Formor by Lugh and Patrick with the snakes . stay safe
Both me Ma n Da immigrated to Australia from Northern Ireland- one St Patrick's day, I asked my Mum why do we celebrate this day? She certainly didn't have this answer! Thankyou so much☘🍀☘🤘☮🤘🇦🇺
Adam an Eve do not seek the fruit of knogladge also referrence even early form of these story's involved snakes chakka systems gnosticism zodiacs signs early form of Christianity was gnosticism loads of books all round the world reference one thing ....
Betty short for Elizabeth like my nan ? probs because u one like eye... an original protesters from them lrelands who always had beef with Patrick army as the common man
@@robertmitchell8630 The notion of Saint Patrick ridding Ireland of snakes has no deep metaphorical purpose, whether it be the expulsion of druids or of more absurd notions such as pygmies. Rather, it was merely a quaint folk tale which arose in Medieval Ireland to explain the absence of snakes from Ireland. It is most akin to other such ætiological tales.
@@CarlinConnolly The book of Taliesin dates back to the 6th Century, ,but the tales themselves are a lot older than that.. Certainly ,a lot of them were pre Christian and so of course Patrick would have been conscious of Bendigeidfrans invasion of Ireland before he started his own crusade..Bardic traditions ,with core moral values and spectacular poetry were an integral part of Brythonic Society..They even used the same unique poetic style that we use today.They are a window into the mentality of our ancestors and are,as such,The Crown Jewels of our ancient Culture .Celtic mythology is older than anything else in Europe,but has generally either been plundered (as in Arthyr) or generally ignored because it reminded English historians that they are such a young race that they have no mythology of their own.
Interesting, thanks. Do you think Patrick existed as an important figure in Irish Christianity? Or do you think they picked one of many missionaries to hang their stories on? I know you mentioned before that he likely wasn't the first missionary to Ireland. Also, was there a period in time where Columbanus was more important? I find it hard to get a picture of Patrick's place in history separate from his modern image.
He was certainly very important since the earliest period. Some of the earliest writings we have from Ireland are by him or about him. However, other saints also had very important positions and to some extent it depended on one's locality and tribe as to which saint was more venerated. St. Patrick likely has a more elevated roll now than he ever did before because too he cults of other local Saints have been diminished
@@FortressofLugh Thanks. I figure the rise of nationalism probably also played a part. When I was younger st. patricks day was almost the biggest event of the year and he was a popular figure in classrooms and children's books.
I'm really surprised that Palladius doesn't get more credit, even here. He was earlier than Patrick and very successful, although Patrick of course denigrated him. By all accounts Patrick wasn't a very likable character and s bit murderous
Kevin has done a video on Palladius already, you should check it out, and how it outlines the core deviations from the norm within Celtic Christianity which lead to its destruction.
Patrick was a very powerful magician and he was very much a pagan but for some reason had some identity with Christianity and in my opinion all of these stories was to bring Pagan and Christian folk to have some similarities together.
But when non-Christian deities, sages and heroes defeat serpents and dragons it usually represents reason, logic or the mind/psyche mastering the primal chaotic darker emotions. Even the gathering of the Serpent's Egg by the Druids seems to be an aspect of this.
@@1922Skidoo The teaching of Buddhist Jesus and the institution Christianity created by emperor Constantine are two different things Christianity Islam are merchants of fear anxiety etc hell or heaven Through this fear and anxiety they get their daily bread$$$$
This will bring some cooky characters out in the comments. You equate Balor with Tuireann, and thus Taranos, but now also C(h)ronos, whom I believe you have previously associated with the Dagda. Are they different figures or hypostasises of one?
I believe the connection between Tuirenn and Taranos is incorrect. My assumption was based on the name similarity, but I have done a thorough study of all his connected names, his proper name being Turill, as well as the character of the sons, etc. Nothing suggests this figure was a storm god and the etymology also does not work as it is often assumed. It seems rather that Lug may be another name for Taranos, related to the one who guarantees oaths of the tribe. Most direct association with thunder and lightning the noun "Taran" as well as wheel symbolisms are found most often in connection with Lug and Cùchullainn. I will do a specific video on this at some point, but basically the earlier assumption was wrong as I was still taking for granted certain things which have long been claimed but often have little support to them.
@@FortressofLugh Alright, we’re working with a lot of different sources here. We’ll see. This would allow you to position Lugh for that coveted imagery of ‘Wheel God’, then. But I do think there are clear connections, namely that situation with the children of Tuireann granting Lugh the lightning bolt in the same way as Zeus gains the lightning bolt from the Cyclopes, disgruntled children of Ouranos. But the matter remains that the Balor character resembles both Ouranos and Cronos, and though the Dagda would appear to correspond to Cronos by his ruling of the Blessed Isle, it is not immediately clear how he should be differentiated from the two figures, or even if he can be at all. I think the most amusing interpretation I’ve seen is that American Gods penultimate episode to season two, when they decided their Mad Sweeney character was in fact a form of Lugh (not unreasonable given the crow and metamorphosis motifs), but then they had him try to through his spear at Odin because he grew to associate him with his evil grandfather Balor! Real mess of who’s who, that one.
The tale of the quest for the items actually seems to correspond more to Loki acquiring the various items of the gods from the dwarves. The description given of the spear is also very similar to that of Thor's hammer, he also has him squire the pigs that are eaten every day and restore to life the next day if their bone are not broken, again nearly identical to Thor's goats. His major attribute is striking Fomorians and he is called the fierce striker. However, unlike Thor, he is also the god of war, which belongs to Odin. There is a strange overlap between Odin, Lug Dagda and Thor going on, where both correspond directly to each other but are ascribed the power of the other. However, Lug lives in the house which in Norse myth belongs to Odin, and he was interpreted as Odin at least in Orkney, which I will have a video about shortly. He also seems to have been the leader of the warrior afterlife, but unlike Odin was not the father of the gods, but the son. The Dagda is called Ollathair, cognate with Odin Alföðr, and also called Ruad Rofessa, the lord of great knowledge, and a king of secrets, god of magic, god who invented music, etc.
@@FortressofLugh Significant overlap, of course, but Odin has clearly taken on many aspects of other gods (and likely exists in his current form due in no small part to the Germano-Celtic tribes all-too-often simply called Germanic today). Thank you for your responses, much to think about. Many happy returns.
@@FortressofLugh P.S.; I have been looking into ideas of Proto-Indo European religion lately. I have only recently actually understood the implications of your Creation Myth and Stone of Colm Cille, TRULY understood what you were getting at with your reading of the Pliny Serpent Egg account. The PIE *Trito First Warrior figure is sure to be of relevance to you also (perhaps you factored this in for your hypothesis), especially since he fits the Celtic view of this type of figure who, as you say, is not a father figure, but instead 'the third'. His interactions with a snake figure also seem reminiscent. I hope things will become clearer with time and reflection. Thank you again for your clarifications.
@@daragildea7434 I looked it up, syncretistic defamation is the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought.
O hEochaidh Hoy, Hoey, Haughey, Tuatha De Danann, Clanna De Dad, The Darini, The Red Branch, Dal Fiatch Dynasty, Hoy Island Orkney Island, Haey Old Norse, East Iceland, very much enjoyed, amazing looking back on our past and today modern society, we have all come along way, all the very best.
Dear Fortress of Lugh, which source mentions that St Patrick recited that specific psalm you decribed in his confontation with Loigare? Does the Confessio mention it?
Beltane is May 1. (Modern) Easter is anywhere between March 22 and April 25. It's possible "Easter" referred to Beltane if it was particularly late that year, but it could have been the spring equinox too.
May 1 for Beltane is modern too, the ancien Celts would have used lunar cycles to fix the date. Kevin explains it in one of his earlier videos : ua-cam.com/video/jz0WWmoUHog/v-deo.html
Learn instead of emulating. Ishstar and Easter have nothing to do with each other. The word Easter is used primarily In English speaking countries. Everywhere else it is known as the Pasch , rooted in the Passover. Known as the Pasch feast. .Oestre roots are in the Germanic. The whole Easter thing nebulous at best and not clear cut historically. Roots are unsound.
@@juliamajor1 not to mention Ishtar’s cult was from Mesopotamia, not Europe, and that her cult along with those of all the Mesopotamian gods had been in stark decline for centuries before Christianity even emerged, to the point where by the 300s it had been almost entirely replaced by Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Mandaeism.
Yes, but I was trying to stick mostly to what is ascribed to Patrick in his Hagiography, but absolutely that is interesting, though it doesn't seem to have a connection to an original pagan tale but instead shows the submission and conversion of the mother of the gods. In his Hagiography though in the earliest sources he is linked to two pagan sisters called Ethniu and Fedlem, daughters of the king and he ends up converting them. They are depicted as having magical powers and it may be a coincidence but they are also the names of two goddesses, one being told about in The Tale of Two Milk Pails. Perhaps I should have included it, but I was trying to stay a bit more focused. There are a number of others worthy of mention.
Art, scripture and myth tend toward apocalyptic symbolism. They knew your symbol at 4:00 to be associated with star signs four times a Precession. Jupiter approaching the 1st Point of Aries with Venus. Two strange stars arriving with them. A time, my friend. Look up.
@@thebardofoisin7999 Leprechaun actually comes from the Irish term leath brogan’ which means shoemaker. Some say when the The Tuatha De Danann stopped being worshiped they turned small so they got the name lúchorpán which translates to small body
Great video, I've been increasingly interested in early Christianity lately so it's appreciated that you've done a few videos now talking about it as it relates to Ireland. I also find the comments fascinating. Many different opinions on early Christianity here. some seem to be thankful for the remenance of Pagan lore while others view it as a rip off and are hostile towards men like Patrick, Pelagius, Snorri, or Bede. I have mixed feelings on the christianization of Europe myself but I fall into the category of those who are thankful of those early Christians who kept some of culture alive.
St Patrick was a slave in Ireland bf he escaped, returned home, became a Christian, and was then sent back to Ireland by the church (bc he understood the culture after living there as a slave) to introduce Christianity to Ireland
The Christian Church was appropriating other religious practices from the very beginning and wherever they went. They began with Mithras and then continued until the middle ages when they had appropriated everything they needed and could enthusiastically purge society of any remaining "pagan" practices to further strengthen their hold on people. Many Saints' biographies adopted wholesale the stories of previous pagan deities and other supernatural beings.
This is so much more fascinating than the Dutch missionary Bonifatius. The only story I learned about him that he was beaten to death by the Frisian at Dokkum. A bit boring. Love from the Netherlands
I'm not 100 % sure of the book title but it went something like Celtics book of sorcery . Something like that i lost that book. Sniff sniff was a great book
Yes always best to go directly to the source rather than to just accept the interpretation of them by somebody else, as a researcher of Ancient Mythology and Theology I have seen many incorrect interpretations of the symbols and myths. I also encourage my subscribers to go seek out the purest form of the Ancient Knowledge ie: the Texts themselves and use their own God gifted intellect.
he’s technically not a saint, nor was he irish. plus, St. Columba was probably a more important figure in terms of spreading christianity to scotland and ireland.
It's really interesting to see how the conversion to Christianity. I often wonder if Patrick actually chose to go there or the Pope made him because he understood the people and their customs? Also I think it's very telling that at this time Ireland, not Rome, was seen as the seat of knowledge. Makes you think....
The Irish didn´t reject their old ways. They kept the best of them and embraced Christianity whole-heartedly. Now we are seeing the Great Falling Away, as was prophesied.
Ummm I wouldn't say whole heartedly... A massive chunk of these convertations where out of fear of death, Christianity was an extremely violent force in the old days and If your willing to look into it you'll see the trail of bodies that lead to modern day Ireland. It's even mentioned in the video how Patric would bribe local chiefs and hire armed guards so that no one could stop thier VERY unwated preaching.
Because Constantine merged the Christian church with pagan s so that is why they all celebrate the doctrines of devil s and don’t know they have been deceived
@@josephshearer1734 Easy there, lad. As a christian, the last thing you SHOULD do is to brand other beliefs as "doctrines of devil". Try to show some respect.
I have a real hard time with St Pat, like St Paul their "legends" are overly exaggerated and go beyond reality making them unbelievable, in every sense of the word. I don't think either of them actually existed, they're fictional characters created out of whole cloth. Created by the religious and political hustlers of the time.
No, they were definitely real, but become associated with stories that they had little or nothing to do with. This happens with historical figures even in the modern day.
Other nations: Can we keep our myths? God: No. Ireland: Can we keep parts of our myths? God: Yes. Ireland: Also, can we make saints as superheroes, capable of shape shifting and able to bend reality? God: YES!
No Name Exactly so. God loves the salt of the earth. He's nonplussed by our stubbornness and unpersuaded by our versions of righteousness, generally speaking.. but He has more patience than most folks give Him credit for.. and is generally more concerned with our attitudes and actions towards others, than our capacity for crossing all the Ts and dotting all the i's.
Patrick was born to clergy, in Britain not Ireland, most probably in wales. He was third generation clergy. Most of the works written later about him come from Britain, not Ireland (so half these things you mention bare no relation to Irish mythology because the people writing out them half a millennium later, in a different country, with no knowledge of pre Christian Irish mythology, wouldn’t have a clue of it) Patrick by his own word was enslaved, fled after 6yrs, was enslaved again (possibly in gaul(France)), was shunned at home (wales possibly) and then returned to Ireland as a missionary. Conflating Irish myth with medieval writing from England only adds to the confusion as opposed to making history clearer
Are saints like Patrick christianized versions of the old Gods, or are the old Gods and the saints both manifestations of certain aspects of the greater God that keep recurring throughout history? I don’t believe these stories are lies to aid the conversion of a people or mere fairytales, just as I don’t believe the stories about Lugh and Balor or other Gods are the lies and superstitions of primitive people. Great work as always, thanks for sharing this video with us.
Yes, all of them. The catholic church (under the rule of Constantine) masked pagan holiday with a "saints day". In order to make it easy for pagans to "convert" while still celebrating their pagan holidays.
Even though I don't have the words, yeah, I have the memories still. It's weird. And my magical knowledge of things I've never seen or read about is annoying. I will note that when I was younger, I dreamed about snakes. This is a weird question, but do we enter their level or something? Did he drive away sexuality? Bind us with purity. The great holy weapon of sex. Well, I don't like sex in that way. They made me ill.
Not the way it's been corrupted, the way it is used for evil behaviours, control, abuse and destruction of many many cultures. I believe humanity should drop the bible as a piece of fiction that holds no place in this world of current beliefs. Christ consciousness is the way for those needing faith. Embody the love, compassion, pursuit of personal knowledge and wisdom, fewer possessions and greed and more communal sharing and healing the body with love and light. Our creator is not the horrid God in the bible smiting and punishing and demanding. We ARE god, an extension of the divine and I'm sure Christianity doesn't teach that.
@@BethDoublekickChick shush The moment you uttered "Christ consciousness", you have shown yourself nothing but a fool. You offer no true values to the table and are rootless.
We don't abandon our heroes or ancestors, but our faith is raised up to the heavens by the Grace of Christ. None of my ancestors were 'perfect', but their faith was placed in Jesus, while their lives were lived according to the Principles of Christ, to the best of their capacities. Our family has several notable souls on both sides as far back as we know.. but regardless of the politics and personal attributes, none of us would consider ourselves above the Holy Spirit.. though I am sure some would argue the doctrines and disciplines of the various religious traditions they grew up within.
No Name Respectfully disagree. Paul's take on his faith was simply from the pov of one who came to it in a similar way to the rest of us. The Lord gets our attention, by whatever means necessary, and then we spend the rest of our days searching for ourselves in the ashes of our former selves.. or seeking the better one to become in the Light of Christ. I have heard some folks make this assertion, but I honestly don't see it. Paul was generally reaching the gentile world, while the original apostles and disciples were predominantly still trying to reach the Jews of Israel and the Diaspora. The notion that Paul was somehow inventing Christianity is poorly defensible, imho, though, because he certainly saw The Law and prophets as the bedrock of the ministry of Christ, just not the Revision of Judaism that apostles like Peter and some others had perceived. So I guess you can say that Paul was more globally conscious, attempting to approach the Gentiles more on the basis of philosophy and rhetoric in some ways, but not yielding to the built in biases of the more traditional Judaism. Jesus himself didn't have a ton of respect for the politics and pretense of the Sanhedrin.. but he had undying Respect for the Word of the prophets and the Word of his Heavenly Father revealed within the Old Testament itself. I'm interested in how your conclusion was derived, however, though, so would you mind elucidating? If not, I understand. Just curious. Blessings 🦋
@@Ricca_Day Christian religious indoctrination has taught believers that what makes you a good person is what you believe, not what you do. "Get right with God" and everything else falls into place, is the fundamentalist view. In this black-and-white world, the good are the Christians who go to heaven, the bad are the hell-bound unbelievers. Believers in our society are indoctrinated to ignore the bloody history of religion, and to pay effusive lip service to belief in God, Jesus, the bible, and God's holy representatives on earth. Ordained ministers and priests are "men of God," "God's holy instruments," a race apart, anointed. It is then no wonder that clergymen who wish to misuse power and betray trust are in a unique position to do so. Newspapers are full of reports of financial exploitation, sexual transgressions during pastoral counseling, and what has surfaced since the mid-1980's as one of the most persistent public relations problems facing both Catholic and Protestant churches today: the criminal sexual abuse of children and teenagers by ordained clergymen. Child molesters appear to gravitate toward careers which will shield and camouflage them, while at the same time providing access to victims. Light of Christ me hole
Duane Ó Ceanntabhail Respectfully.. I'm certainly not advocating for the tares within any religious System, brother, but to castigate the True with the apostate is Exactly how the folks who were persecuted in Every faith were used to 'Justify' the atrocities.. so perhaps you might pull back that bitter sword a tad? Perhaps not.. but you're assuming that the Negative Defines the Positive.. and that's fairly disingenuous, don't you think? And Real Faith is the difference between Self Justification and Narcissism.. and humility and service to ones Creator.. imho. Blessings nonetheless.
Like one eyed Odin all have stories of the one true account of the creation and all , people except to have thee mind and understanding of god.....lol it’s a sad thing for sure for it is better not to have Ben born then to not know your king and savior
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I am so happy for this video. I get this deep seated anger when Patrick's day approaches and remember all the lies I was told growing up. I'm so thankful our ancestors hid so many valuable truths for us to discover
perhaps it would have been better if our ancestors had not hidden them?
@@CarlinConnolly I dont think that was possible in a Christian society. Once that take over happened freedom to follow the old ways put in the open was gone
It could’ve been possible if only Christianity of the time was not mutually exclusive. Which would be a tall order, given that most Christians insist on putting the Christian god over all others. The Bible even says as much about putting no other Gods before the One, if I recall.
Ridding Ireland of snakes ? Too Temperate to be over run with 🐍 snakes
It's metaphorical, he killed off the druids priests and priestess
@@lowlandnobleman6746 exactly. The very beleif system of christianity encourages division and lack of acceptance. The only reason we all have freedom to choose now is the legal recognition of the individual right to religion and the seperation of "church and state". Which did not exist then
TFW you realize the early Irish Christians just reclassified some of their favorite Deities as ancestral figures or Saints.
I think They were always aspects of the greater God, just given new life and names, but there are many such saints and I don’t consider them mythological characters because I know they are real just as our ancestors did.
To modern Neo Pagans, their gods are just as real as the air that we breath. Not just mythological...
As Christianity did everywhere
People are unwilling to give up their history and culture, especially when a massive chunk of the changes happening around you are by force, not faith. Thus eminents of the old culture are preserved in new ways by the people who only converted out of fear for their lives. Or at least that's how I understand it.
Wake DF up u sleepy sheepy
thank you this was very interesting , im totally fascinated with the connection of Crom crock with Patrick and the comparison of the driving of the Formor by Lugh and Patrick with the snakes .
stay safe
Both me Ma n Da immigrated to Australia from Northern Ireland- one St Patrick's day, I asked my Mum why do we celebrate this day? She certainly didn't have this answer! Thankyou so much☘🍀☘🤘☮🤘🇦🇺
Ridding Ireland of snakes ? Too Temperate to be over run with 🐍 snakes
It's metaphorical, he killed off the druids priests and priestess
Adam an Eve do not seek the fruit of knogladge also referrence even early form of these story's involved snakes chakka systems gnosticism zodiacs signs early form of Christianity was gnosticism loads of books all round the world reference one thing ....
Betty short for Elizabeth like my nan ? probs because u one like eye... an original protesters from them lrelands who always had beef with Patrick army as the common man
@@Bcfcuklhpwalker My name is just Beth, Betty is my online name. I'm too young to be a Nan 🤘💜🤘
Northern ireland so your a brit?
Such beautiful places in Ireland! It makes me want to visit. The artwork in this video is great, too. :)
Some of the images are illuminations from the book of Kells. Truly emotional experience to see in person.
I have seen The Quiet Man and Darby O'Gill and the Little People 6 or 7 times and that's what makes me want to see these places
I agree. Ireland is a breathtaking country.
Oh geez! Cultural appropriation scores another win for the Church. 😉🍀
Shut up
This was fantastic. I'm Irish and did not know half of this
Very interesting! 🌟 Please keep it up, looking forward to the next!
Saint Patrick sounds so terrifying. Using lightning, maddening magick, and human sacrifice to kill anyone who opposes him.
Ridding Ireland of snakes ?Too Temperate to be over run with 🐍 snakes
It's metaphorical, he killed off the druids priests and priestess
He is a repackaged Thor, or possibly Odin.
Wait 'till Martin comes. ( :
@@robertmitchell8630 The notion of Saint Patrick ridding Ireland of snakes has no deep metaphorical purpose, whether it be the expulsion of druids or of more absurd notions such as pygmies. Rather, it was merely a quaint folk tale which arose in Medieval Ireland to explain the absence of snakes from Ireland. It is most akin to other such ætiological tales.
Typical behavior of the Catholic Church.
Patrick was Brythonic and so would have been versed in the Mabinogion and all the old Cymric tales and bardic traditions.
the Mabinogian had not been written when Patrick was alive - most of the stories that can be dated are from the 6th-8th centuries
@@CarlinConnolly The book of Taliesin dates back to the 6th Century, ,but the tales themselves are a lot older than that..
Certainly ,a lot of them were pre Christian and so of course Patrick would have been conscious of Bendigeidfrans invasion of Ireland before he started his own crusade..Bardic traditions ,with core moral values and spectacular poetry were an integral part of Brythonic Society..They even used the same unique poetic style that we use today.They are a window into the mentality of our ancestors and are,as such,The Crown Jewels of our ancient Culture .Celtic mythology is older than anything else in Europe,but has generally either been plundered (as in Arthyr) or generally ignored because it reminded English historians that they are such a young race that they have no mythology of their own.
Interesting, thanks. Do you think Patrick existed as an important figure in Irish Christianity? Or do you think they picked one of many missionaries to hang their stories on? I know you mentioned before that he likely wasn't the first missionary to Ireland. Also, was there a period in time where Columbanus was more important? I find it hard to get a picture of Patrick's place in history separate from his modern image.
He was certainly very important since the earliest period. Some of the earliest writings we have from Ireland are by him or about him. However, other saints also had very important positions and to some extent it depended on one's locality and tribe as to which saint was more venerated. St. Patrick likely has a more elevated roll now than he ever did before because too he cults of other local Saints have been diminished
@@FortressofLugh Thanks. I figure the rise of nationalism probably also played a part. When I was younger st. patricks day was almost the biggest event of the year and he was a popular figure in classrooms and children's books.
Not beltane, but ostara. That is the sabat that coincides with easter
The name 'Easter' came from the Pagan goddess, Eostre. Now, what does Jesus have to do with eggs and bunny rabbits?
@@curiousobserver97 what does Jesus have to do with Beltane? Or Ostara, you are correct.
@@curiousobserver97 If only you knew.
I'm really surprised that Palladius doesn't get more credit, even here. He was earlier than Patrick and very successful, although Patrick of course denigrated him. By all accounts Patrick wasn't a very likable character and s bit murderous
Kevin has done a video on Palladius already, you should check it out, and how it outlines the core deviations from the norm within Celtic Christianity which lead to its destruction.
only came across your channel recently... I Love it bro, thank you so much for your work
Patrick was a very powerful magician and he was very much a pagan but for some reason had some identity with Christianity and in my opinion all of these stories was to bring Pagan and Christian folk to have some similarities together.
Magician an Roman would been burnt at the stake the magical part is what was there per that aka paddy
Very good video. Would be interesting to see a video on Palladius too, since I read about him only a few days ago and learned he was before Patrick
A magician become a saint.
Ridding Ireland of snakes ? Temperate to be over run with 🐍 snakes
It's metaphorical, he killed off the druids priests and priestess
But when non-Christian deities, sages and heroes defeat serpents and dragons it usually represents reason, logic or the mind/psyche mastering the primal chaotic darker emotions. Even the gathering of the Serpent's Egg by the Druids seems to be an aspect of this.
Jesus said “ love your enemy” unlike the what church has done.. that’s why I like Jesus but not the church.
@@1922Skidoo
The teaching of Buddhist Jesus and the institution Christianity created by emperor Constantine are two different things
Christianity Islam are merchants of fear anxiety etc hell or heaven
Through this fear and anxiety they get their daily bread$$$$
This will bring some cooky characters out in the comments.
You equate Balor with Tuireann, and thus Taranos, but now also C(h)ronos, whom I believe you have previously associated with the Dagda.
Are they different figures or hypostasises of one?
I believe the connection between Tuirenn and Taranos is incorrect. My assumption was based on the name similarity, but I have done a thorough study of all his connected names, his proper name being Turill, as well as the character of the sons, etc. Nothing suggests this figure was a storm god and the etymology also does not work as it is often assumed. It seems rather that Lug may be another name for Taranos, related to the one who guarantees oaths of the tribe. Most direct association with thunder and lightning the noun "Taran" as well as wheel symbolisms are found most often in connection with Lug and Cùchullainn. I will do a specific video on this at some point, but basically the earlier assumption was wrong as I was still taking for granted certain things which have long been claimed but often have little support to them.
@@FortressofLugh Alright, we’re working with a lot of different sources here. We’ll see.
This would allow you to position Lugh for that coveted imagery of ‘Wheel God’, then.
But I do think there are clear connections, namely that situation with the children of Tuireann granting Lugh the lightning bolt in the same way as Zeus gains the lightning bolt from the Cyclopes, disgruntled children of Ouranos.
But the matter remains that the Balor character resembles both Ouranos and Cronos, and though the Dagda would appear to correspond to Cronos by his ruling of the Blessed Isle, it is not immediately clear how he should be differentiated from the two figures, or even if he can be at all.
I think the most amusing interpretation I’ve seen is that American Gods penultimate episode to season two, when they decided their Mad Sweeney character was in fact a form of Lugh (not unreasonable given the crow and metamorphosis motifs), but then they had him try to through his spear at Odin because he grew to associate him with his evil grandfather Balor!
Real mess of who’s who, that one.
The tale of the quest for the items actually seems to correspond more to Loki acquiring the various items of the gods from the dwarves. The description given of the spear is also very similar to that of Thor's hammer, he also has him squire the pigs that are eaten every day and restore to life the next day if their bone are not broken, again nearly identical to Thor's goats. His major attribute is striking Fomorians and he is called the fierce striker. However, unlike Thor, he is also the god of war, which belongs to Odin. There is a strange overlap between Odin, Lug Dagda and Thor going on, where both correspond directly to each other but are ascribed the power of the other. However, Lug lives in the house which in Norse myth belongs to Odin, and he was interpreted as Odin at least in Orkney, which I will have a video about shortly. He also seems to have been the leader of the warrior afterlife, but unlike Odin was not the father of the gods, but the son. The Dagda is called Ollathair, cognate with Odin Alföðr, and also called Ruad Rofessa, the lord of great knowledge, and a king of secrets, god of magic, god who invented music, etc.
@@FortressofLugh Significant overlap, of course, but Odin has clearly taken on many aspects of other gods (and likely exists in his current form due in no small part to the Germano-Celtic tribes all-too-often simply called Germanic today).
Thank you for your responses, much to think about. Many happy returns.
@@FortressofLugh P.S.; I have been looking into ideas of Proto-Indo European religion lately. I have only recently actually understood the implications of your Creation Myth and Stone of Colm Cille, TRULY understood what you were getting at with your reading of the Pliny Serpent Egg account.
The PIE *Trito First Warrior figure is sure to be of relevance to you also (perhaps you factored this in for your hypothesis), especially since he fits the Celtic view of this type of figure who, as you say, is not a father figure, but instead 'the third'. His interactions with a snake figure also seem reminiscent. I hope things will become clearer with time and reflection. Thank you again for your clarifications.
st Patrick is prime example of syncretistic inter-woven religiosity
No such word as "syncretistic".
@@daragildea7434 I looked it up, syncretistic defamation is the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought.
O hEochaidh Hoy, Hoey, Haughey, Tuatha De Danann, Clanna De Dad, The Darini, The Red Branch, Dal Fiatch Dynasty, Hoy Island Orkney Island, Haey Old Norse, East Iceland, very much enjoyed, amazing looking back on our past and today modern society, we have all come along way, all the very best.
Dear Fortress of Lugh, which source mentions that St Patrick recited that specific psalm you decribed in his confontation with Loigare? Does the Confessio mention it?
Beltane is May 1. (Modern) Easter is anywhere between March 22 and April 25. It's possible "Easter" referred to Beltane if it was particularly late that year, but it could have been the spring equinox too.
May 1 for Beltane is modern too, the ancien Celts would have used lunar cycles to fix the date.
Kevin explains it in one of his earlier videos :
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They said Easter but mean Ishtar
Learn instead of emulating. Ishstar and Easter have nothing to do with each other. The word Easter is used primarily
In English speaking countries. Everywhere else it is known as the Pasch , rooted in the Passover. Known as the Pasch feast. .Oestre roots are in the Germanic. The whole Easter thing nebulous at best and not clear cut historically. Roots are unsound.
Easter is Eostre* not "ISHTAR"
@@juliamajor1 not to mention Ishtar’s cult was from Mesopotamia, not Europe, and that her cult along with those of all the Mesopotamian gods had been in stark decline for centuries before Christianity even emerged, to the point where by the 300s it had been almost entirely replaced by Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Mandaeism.
Thank you for all the hard work
And the detailed presentation of facts.
Fred Sanford , the first time I've seen you on your knees , and you prayin to a pagen idol
Whoa. I did not know most of that. I subbed up so I can learn more.
At no point you said his real given name MAEWYN which in Welsh means
Is/ I am white/pure
He came from welsh speaking Britain at the time
Great show.
Fantastic! Why not the Tale of Two Pails?
Yes, but I was trying to stick mostly to what is ascribed to Patrick in his Hagiography, but absolutely that is interesting, though it doesn't seem to have a connection to an original pagan tale but instead shows the submission and conversion of the mother of the gods. In his Hagiography though in the earliest sources he is linked to two pagan sisters called Ethniu and Fedlem, daughters of the king and he ends up converting them. They are depicted as having magical powers and it may be a coincidence but they are also the names of two goddesses, one being told about in The Tale of Two Milk Pails.
Perhaps I should have included it, but I was trying to stay a bit more focused. There are a number of others worthy of mention.
Thank you. I didn't know about these.
Patrick was a Welshman .... and Patrick (Patrician) was his rank, not his name.
The Welsh were still Brittano-Romans back then.
OK...hear me out...St. Patrick vs Merlin.
Art, scripture and myth tend toward apocalyptic symbolism. They knew your symbol at 4:00 to be associated with star signs four times a Precession. Jupiter approaching the 1st Point of Aries with Venus. Two strange stars arriving with them. A time, my friend. Look up.
Ireland is a magical place and I love that.
maybe do a video on the inspiration for leprechauns
From what I've heard down south Leprechauns were invented as a mockery of Lugh
Do I look like King Brian
@@thebardofoisin7999 Leprechaun actually comes from the Irish term leath brogan’ which means shoemaker. Some say when the The Tuatha De Danann stopped being worshiped they turned small so they got the name lúchorpán which translates to small body
Great video, I've been increasingly interested in early Christianity lately so it's appreciated that you've done a few videos now talking about it as it relates to Ireland. I also find the comments fascinating. Many different opinions on early Christianity here. some seem to be thankful for the remenance of Pagan lore while others view it as a rip off and are hostile towards men like Patrick, Pelagius, Snorri, or Bede. I have mixed feelings on the christianization of Europe myself but I fall into the category of those who are thankful of those early Christians who kept some of culture alive.
St Patrick was a slave in Ireland bf he escaped, returned home, became a Christian, and was then sent back to Ireland by the church (bc he understood the culture after living there as a slave) to introduce Christianity to Ireland
I hate how so many celebrate this day not knowing the murder he did! He wasn't a good man
At 3:00, look at the amazing depictions of pole shifts and reversals! Our time will be the whole point of religion. Hope we can recognize it.
We celebrate Saint Patrick's Day every year
Happy Saint Patrick's day 😀🍀
The Christian Church was appropriating other religious practices from the very beginning and wherever they went. They began with Mithras and then continued until the middle ages when they had appropriated everything they needed and could enthusiastically purge society of any remaining "pagan" practices to further strengthen their hold on people. Many Saints' biographies adopted wholesale the stories of previous pagan deities and other supernatural beings.
The people were looking for something in a time of great change - a man like Patrick with intellect and new thinking filled that need.
This is so much more fascinating than the Dutch missionary Bonifatius. The only story I learned about him that he was beaten to death by the Frisian at Dokkum. A bit boring. Love from the Netherlands
Nice to hear your voice again to late@but betterthan never 👍😁
I'd definitely like to know the sources for this video I'd like to use them myself.
I'm not 100 % sure of the book title but it went something like Celtics book of sorcery . Something like that i lost that book. Sniff sniff was a great book
Yes always best to go directly to the source rather than to just accept the interpretation of them by somebody else, as a researcher of Ancient Mythology and Theology I have seen many incorrect interpretations of the symbols and myths. I also encourage my subscribers to go seek out the purest form of the Ancient Knowledge ie: the Texts themselves and use their own God gifted intellect.
very interesting stuff..................new sub, thankyou
he’s technically not a saint, nor was he irish. plus, St. Columba was probably a more important figure in terms of spreading christianity to scotland and ireland.
It's really interesting to see how the conversion to Christianity. I often wonder if Patrick actually chose to go there or the Pope made him because he understood the people and their customs? Also I think it's very telling that at this time Ireland, not Rome, was seen as the seat of knowledge. Makes you think....
He went there willingly, evil man just like every single Catholic pope.
The Irish didn´t reject their old ways. They kept the best of them and embraced Christianity whole-heartedly. Now we are seeing the Great Falling Away, as was prophesied.
Syncretism
Ummm I wouldn't say whole heartedly... A massive chunk of these convertations where out of fear of death, Christianity was an extremely violent force in the old days and If your willing to look into it you'll see the trail of bodies that lead to modern day Ireland. It's even mentioned in the video how Patric would bribe local chiefs and hire armed guards so that no one could stop thier VERY unwated preaching.
They did not embrace them, they were forced to accept them under threat of death, you can thank the Catholic Church for that.
Easter comes from Ostara.
So basically the Irish still worship Lugh and Brigid today just as saints, seems like something Catholics can get away with
Yesh, the roman catholics do.
worship is a roman way of thinking . as a Gael its more personal understanding of the connection with nature , more then, just to believe
@@GkPhotographic Celtic Christianity was that way (connecting with nature) until Rome put a stop to it.
Because Constantine merged the Christian church with pagan s so that is why they all celebrate the doctrines of devil s and don’t know they have been deceived
@@josephshearer1734
Easy there, lad.
As a christian, the last thing you SHOULD do is to brand other beliefs as "doctrines of devil". Try to show some respect.
I have a real hard time with St Pat, like St Paul their "legends" are overly exaggerated and go beyond reality making them unbelievable, in every sense of the word.
I don't think either of them actually existed, they're fictional characters created out of whole cloth. Created by the religious and political hustlers of the time.
No, they were definitely real, but become associated with stories that they had little or nothing to do with. This happens with historical figures even in the modern day.
Syncretism is good
Other nations:
Can we keep our myths?
God:
No.
Ireland:
Can we keep parts of our myths?
God:
Yes.
Ireland:
Also, can we make saints as superheroes, capable of shape shifting and able to bend reality?
God:
YES!
Actually.. it's yes on all 3..
Ask Leif Erickson.
@@Ricca_Day
It was a joke XD
El Gran Lugus
Yep.. mine too!
Yeah it is more yes on all three but more so in outlying areas like Ireland, More an attitude of whatever it takes LOL
No Name
Exactly so. God loves the salt of the earth. He's nonplussed by our stubbornness and unpersuaded by our versions of righteousness, generally speaking.. but He has more patience than most folks give Him credit for.. and is generally more concerned with our attitudes and actions towards others, than our capacity for crossing all the Ts and dotting all the i's.
Oh the parables of mork? Wow.
i believe 'Lug' is a word for 'lord' in in the Akkadian
Patrick was born to clergy, in Britain not Ireland, most probably in wales. He was third generation clergy.
Most of the works written later about him come from Britain, not Ireland (so half these things you mention bare no relation to Irish mythology because the people writing out them half a millennium later, in a different country, with no knowledge of pre Christian Irish mythology, wouldn’t have a clue of it)
Patrick by his own word was enslaved, fled after 6yrs, was enslaved again (possibly in gaul(France)), was shunned at home (wales possibly) and then returned to Ireland as a missionary.
Conflating Irish myth with medieval writing from England only adds to the confusion as opposed to making history clearer
My Dad hates this kind of stuff.
I like the mix of pagan and Christian that still influences regional churches to this day.
Krom? Crom? Like in Conan the Barbarian? Arnold was Irish?
He said on his death bed "a sinner am I!" He was no saint!
Maybe only true saints can make that statement , the others are liars .
@@marvymarier8988 amen
Check out the story Of Elijah, when he went against the prophets of BAAL. CONFRONTING DARKNESS NOT ALWAYS PRETTY!
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So Conan was Irish?
I've only heard that he like the Roman Catholic Church integrated pagan practices with Roman catholicism which is not actual christianity
Are saints like Patrick christianized versions of the old Gods, or are the old Gods and the saints both manifestations of certain aspects of the greater God that keep recurring throughout history? I don’t believe these stories are lies to aid the conversion of a people or mere fairytales, just as I don’t believe the stories about Lugh and Balor or other Gods are the lies and superstitions of primitive people.
Great work as always, thanks for sharing this video with us.
Yes, all of them. The catholic church (under the rule of Constantine) masked pagan holiday with a "saints day". In order to make it easy for pagans to "convert" while still celebrating their pagan holidays.
wasn’t he Roman?
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Why don’t you talk about what st Patrick’s and the chasing out of “snakes” actually means?
there never snakes in Ireland, never
@@frinoffrobis ya I know. I put snakes in quotations, snakes = druids.
@@misspopulaire i had no ideal
@@frinoffrobis then why did u comment?
@@misspopulaire i only know about the snakes.. didnt know anything of druids
sorry to disturb you
two sides to every story. The truth is usually on neither.
Thanks. 7/16/21.
Keep it on the down low dude .
He doesn't seem so nice
Even though I don't have the words, yeah, I have the memories still. It's weird. And my magical knowledge of things I've never seen or read about is annoying. I will note that when I was younger, I dreamed about snakes. This is a weird question, but do we enter their level or something? Did he drive away sexuality? Bind us with purity. The great holy weapon of sex. Well, I don't like sex in that way. They made me ill.
Are we really any better off with Christianity ?
Mejor imposible!
Not the way it's been corrupted, the way it is used for evil behaviours, control, abuse and destruction of many many cultures. I believe humanity should drop the bible as a piece of fiction that holds no place in this world of current beliefs. Christ consciousness is the way for those needing faith. Embody the love, compassion, pursuit of personal knowledge and wisdom, fewer possessions and greed and more communal sharing and healing the body with love and light.
Our creator is not the horrid God in the bible smiting and punishing and demanding. We ARE god, an extension of the divine and I'm sure Christianity doesn't teach that.
@@BethDoublekickChick shush
The moment you uttered "Christ consciousness", you have shown yourself nothing but a fool.
You offer no true values to the table and are rootless.
From listening to this. It’s clear they are the descendants of the Ten lost tribes of Israel. Who went into North west Europe.
That's right
Yes the trap was set to deceive all believers to actually protect and worship all there pagan gods
Thank goodness for their wisdom in protecting & preserving the old ways! ☣️
Thank god for small mercy’s so 😉
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Brother against brother… sounds like today… with all the progressive woke bs… not much has changed… hmmmmmm
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We don't abandon our heroes or ancestors, but our faith is raised up to the heavens by the Grace of Christ. None of my ancestors were 'perfect', but their faith was placed in Jesus, while their lives were lived according to the Principles of Christ, to the best of their capacities. Our family has several notable souls on both sides as far back as we know.. but regardless of the politics and personal attributes, none of us would consider ourselves above the Holy Spirit.. though I am sure some would argue the doctrines and disciplines of the various religious traditions they grew up within.
Except that most of modern Christianity has more to do with Paul than Jesus
No Name
Respectfully disagree. Paul's take on his faith was simply from the pov of one who came to it in a similar way to the rest of us.
The Lord gets our attention, by whatever means necessary, and then we spend the rest of our days searching for ourselves in the ashes of our former selves.. or seeking the better one to become in the Light of Christ.
I have heard some folks make this assertion, but I honestly don't see it. Paul was generally reaching the gentile world, while the original apostles and disciples were predominantly still trying to reach the Jews of Israel and the Diaspora. The notion that Paul was somehow inventing Christianity is poorly defensible, imho, though, because he certainly saw The Law and prophets as the bedrock of the ministry of Christ, just not the Revision of Judaism that apostles like Peter and some others had perceived. So I guess you can say that Paul was more globally conscious, attempting to approach the Gentiles more on the basis of philosophy and rhetoric in some ways, but not yielding to the built in biases of the more traditional Judaism.
Jesus himself didn't have a ton of respect for the politics and pretense of the Sanhedrin.. but he had undying Respect for the Word of the prophets and the Word of his Heavenly Father revealed within the Old Testament itself.
I'm interested in how your conclusion was derived, however, though, so would you mind elucidating? If not, I understand. Just curious.
Blessings 🦋
@@Ricca_Day Christian religious indoctrination has taught believers that what makes you a good person is what you believe, not what you do. "Get right with God" and everything else falls into place, is the fundamentalist view. In this black-and-white world, the good are the Christians who go to heaven, the bad are the hell-bound unbelievers. Believers in our society are indoctrinated to ignore the bloody history of religion, and to pay effusive lip service to belief in God, Jesus, the bible, and God's holy representatives on earth. Ordained ministers and priests are "men of God," "God's holy instruments," a race apart, anointed. It is then no wonder that clergymen who wish to misuse power and betray trust are in a unique position to do so. Newspapers are full of reports of financial exploitation, sexual transgressions during pastoral counseling, and what has surfaced since the mid-1980's as one of the most persistent public relations problems facing both Catholic and Protestant churches today: the criminal sexual abuse of children and teenagers by ordained clergymen. Child molesters appear to gravitate toward careers which will shield and camouflage them, while at the same time providing access to victims. Light of Christ me hole
Duane Ó Ceanntabhail
Respectfully.. I'm certainly not advocating for the tares within any religious System, brother, but to castigate the True with the apostate is Exactly how the folks who were persecuted in Every faith were used to 'Justify' the atrocities.. so perhaps you might pull back that bitter sword a tad? Perhaps not.. but you're assuming that the Negative Defines the Positive.. and that's fairly disingenuous, don't you think? And Real Faith is the difference between Self Justification and Narcissism.. and humility and service to ones Creator.. imho.
Blessings nonetheless.
@@Ricca_Day Faith is not criteria for the truth
Like one eyed Odin all have stories of the one true account of the creation and all , people except to have thee mind and understanding of god.....lol it’s a sad thing for sure for it is better not to have Ben born then to not know your king and savior