@@travelinman482 There hasn't been a real Jeep since Chrysler killed off AMC's square-bodied Cherokee. Most Jeeps are just Dodge's with Jeep-looking bodies, the rest are just Fiat's with Jeep-looking bodies.
I have a friend that's a mechanic at a Dodge dealership (he drives a Chevy!), and he says he's replaced so many transmissions in Wham trucks that he can now do one in about an hour.
@@johndelossantos1572 the tundra is puckering engines. I will buy a 68. 1972 p u 4x4. REBUILD it and have 40 50000 in it. Something u can trust AND FIX YOURSELF !!!!😊
They adopted a business model that needed only 17% of the automotive market to work. And it did for 2+ years. If they want the mainstream of the other 83% back in the market, they will have to build quality vehicles their customer base wants and can afford. That is how capitalism works. When the Government tells the public what they will be allowed to choose from and manipulates the market on pricing, this is how socialism works. A perfect example is the Government force feeding EVs onto an unwilling market at too high of cost and actually blocking the necessary infrastructure improvements necessary to support them.
Stellantis should have taken all their rich people vehicles and put them into a separate luxury car brand. They could have called it Chrysler or something
You say this like the dealers forced all the dumbass to buy cars that were 20k over price all you have to do is Google what the car your looking at is actually worth, can't blame a business for selling stuff overpriced when people keep buying it lol
@@BalzanKillA No one here said anything about forcing people....LOL we have described consequences of the manufacturers actions....AND THEY DESERVE IT!!!!
My prediction is this: 1) Under Stellantis management, Dodge and Chrysler will cease to exist, 2) Stellantis, as a holding company with a portfolio of too many brands, will fail, and 3) Ram and Jeep will, yet again, be bought by another manufacturer or private equity firm. Odds are pretty good all of this will happen.
This is a result of money printing and an inflation tax not greed. Everything is going to increase in price. More money printing = higher prices. Add minimum wage increases and you will see prices increase in every single sector.
@@eFxAstronot gonna happen because tha colonizers who don’t belong on lands they already are just don’t see that judgement is upon y’all nothing good is coming y’all way this is y’all end
Exactly, no car is worth what the price tag is. We have massive fully scaled up global production that makes everything that goes into a car the cheapest it has ever been, but even modest sedans are pushing 30K. My civic brand new is north of 25K, and that isn’t even for an SI. I can’t imagine what an electric version would go for knowing what the ICE version costs, not that I want an electric car in the slightest, but it’s just the thought. It’s crazy price gouging, mostly by the dealers themselves but also by the manufacturers cranking up their own pricing. I get the coof slowed and disrupted things, but that has been gone for so long now we should be back at it, but then we also have to remember that pricing never comes down even if conditions return to normal.
An Italian automaker owning an American truck, Jeep and car company. What could possibly go wrong? My advice, keep your junk on your side of the Atlantic.
you mean the second House I bought is the same Price as a Ram 3500 diesel single cab pickup???? WTF where's the shower kitchen toilet? well at least I won't have to cut the grass LOL
I went to a dealer for a recall a couple months ago and there was a basic trim 3500 Cummins (cloth seats quad cab) $83,000 sticker My 2017 2500 Megcab longhorn fully loaded had a sticker of $73k and I got it for $60k
@@phoenixinfinity595 yes. It might be a little different if they built them like they are capable of building them. They would still be overpriced and marked up but at least you’d have something at the end of you kept it. We get what our BETTERS give us. I ain’t buying. I’ll turn Amish first! 🙃 no offense to the Amish. 😆 more power too em
Nope, nope, nope. My 2011 F-150 just rolled 250, and hasnt cost me a dime since 2015 'cept for gas, oil, battery and tires. Hard pass on any car payment higher than my house payment from just a few years ago.
You would be extremely surprised at how many Private Contractors deliver mail. When I sold Jeep, I would sell at least three of those RHD a year. Those are typically special order, so I'm not sure why that one is sitting on their lot, unless it is just being stored there until the owner comes to take delivery.
7% interest on all that lot rot should be bankrupting a lot of stealerships this year. That is about $350 per month per unit for every one of these heavily overpriced American nameplate gas guzzling breakdown machines that are still on their lots after the 30 day floorpan assistance expires. Perhaps in the next year or 2 prices will collapse when a large number of pickup trucks go over the auction block.
Affordable, reliable, fun, cool. That's been Jeep's niche since the end of WW2. It's not a hard formula to understand, except for the geniuses at Stellantis. Big corporate holding companies do this stuff over and over. They buy up brands and proceed to kill the geese that laid golden eggs for a long time.
Now they're not affordable and they aren't even reliable, anymore. I got my old 96 Grand Cherokee 4.0l with 300k on it. Haven't put but maybe $2000-$3000 in it, including the cost of buying. They don't make them like they used to and they sure as hell don't sell them for reasonable prices, like they used to. I avoid 90% of new cars, including everything Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge.
I paid 3k for my 4banger 1998 wrangler…250,125 miles still going Of course lots of parts have been put in since then but the engine and transmission are original !! And I’ve wheeled the mountains hard, hit trees,climbed boulders and towed way more than it was rated for… Keep that in mind the next time you wanna drop 100k
I own one. But I seriously paid close to 1/2 of that on my '22. I special ordered & waited 5 months to get a deal below MSRP. The inflation on these vehicles has been insane, but keep in mind a lot of these dealers put stupid high mark-ups on the vehicles out of greed. You think this is bad, look at the Raptor price and mark-ups. Ford had a major problem trying to keep their dealers from price-gouging.
@@shadowwolfmandan The quality of Ram trucks in inconsistent, you'll see some that last a long time while others can fall apart quickly. I've owned two one was great and one was garbage.
I see a lot of “disabled veterans” driving brand new expensive trucks. I’m a plumber who connects pool heaters to natural gas lines. Pretty much all of the people I work for are disabled veterans who can swim and also have a full gym in their garage. Go figure…
I worked for FCA for 3 years and it was absolutely amazing how poor the quality of their vehicles is. I would get recall notifications multiple times daily. I spent the majority of my time there doing warranty repairs. Not just flash updates but rewiring stuff so it doesn’t catch fire, replacing critical chassis and steering parts that would fail and rebuilding engines that have failed before 50k. I truly hope they don’t get bailed out and are just left to die.
@Iwngan if its the 3.6 v6 yes, i worked at a CDRJ dealer for a yr and will never work at american dealer again. tranmissions on rams failing at 15k miles. back ordered transmissions (post covid) 3.6 headgaskets at 30k-50k, amywhere from 6-12 recalls on just ONE vehicle (wagoneers) hybrids requiring 4 differnt modules to be warranty flasged and only paying .30 hours to do about 45-1 an hrs of work, before and after documentation or they take the oay from you.
In 2016 I got a brand new loaded RAM 1500 Big Horn 4x4 with the 5.7 HEMI / 8HP70 8-speed, spray in bed, sunroof, climate control, etc. for $36,000 out the door (that's vehicle price + tax + tags + fees, including $499 BS doc fee). People, let that sink in for a moment.
@@SIMRIG412 yes, 8 years ago but I bet that price surge percentage is much higher than say the increase from 2008-2016. Inflation jumped up substantially.
A pickup should never cost more than $50,000. Everyone needs to quit buying. Built cheaper and crammed with tech look fancy which gives more trouble than the mechanical. Built to be expensive to fix and expendable.
Not just the price either. The auto loan rate has 2x'd as well. In 2018 my fully loaded dual top Wrangler JKU was $34,000 at 2.3%. Now the same build is $58,000 and 7%
Chrysler has been building junk for decades, so it's not Stellantis fault. Daimler-Benz dumped Chrysler at a tremendous loss because they were building junk.
I have a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited 5.2 V8 4x4. PAID $3,300. With 190,000 mi. Drove it for 50,000 Miles and now it has 240,000 mi.. Runs perfect. No leaks. Just passed smog with flying colors. If something needs to be fixed, I fix it. Saw one the other day with 400,000 mi also in mint condition. Why would I buy a new truck? Love my ZJ. The new ones are garbage in my opinion.
You are too generous. Gouging customers as much as possible is most definitely a business strategy. But you sure are correct that it is a horrible one. For the most part, buying used helps a lot for many customers.
Because of AMC, i was a die-hard Chrysler buyer. I believed in them so much that I traded my soul and started selling them. One I had the inside track and saw deep behind the curtain, I ran from the sales floor, retiring last year.
I bought my used 2002 Dodge RAM 1500 with 120k miles for $3000 like 5 years ago and that thing is still runnin. The newer ones are like insanely pricey... They arent even that much more powerful either man... Just get an older one and take good care of it...
@@maddog7999 the Charger and 300 are built on a platform introduced in 2005 and that platform takes components from Mercedes dating back to ‘99. Most car companies take 3-5 years to engineer a new model.
These vehicles can sit until doom's day as far as I'm concerned. So much money for a poorly made vehicle that gets terrible gas mileage doesn't make sense.
Chrysler Ram stopped caring about gas millage and built some pretty sweet rides. seems we got a lot of people talking like they know something. Their design teams are outstanding.
If you are worried about gas mileage, don't buy a truck, but a gay fwd family car. Trucks are supposed to have power from a big engine to do work. But since the 80s, too many of you soft people wanted it to have luxury items and feel like a Cadillac. The consumer is usually as dumb as the company selling their products for too high of a price, to the dummy who happily pays the price.
$51K for a hornet... wow! We bought a brand new 2021 Mazda CX-5 carbon edition turbo AWD with 14 miles on it for $31k. It now has 75k miles on it and haven't even had a check engine light. We did replace the tires at 20k miles, didnt like the factory ones.
When I was shipping for my new Jeep in 2022, The Rubicons were vastly overpriced compared to the other versions. They must add a premium just for the Rubicon name. I ordered the basic, basic Jeep Wrangler Sport (not Sport S, or any of the other crap), added the 3-piece hard top and a couple small additions and it cost me $39,115. When adding in the delivery fee, tax, etc the total ended up being $43k. My previous vehicle was a 2000 Jeep Cherokee Classic which I bought new in 2001 for $26k. Factoring in inflation between 2001 and 2022, that $26k would be about $43k in 2022 dollars, so I felt the price was equitable to what I had paid for my previous Jeep. But prices now have gotten way out of control.
My mail man up here in maine uses a wrangler with the steering wheel on the passenger side. Ironically he left me a note complaining about a small rut in my gravel driveway that I drive over with my Mazda CX-3 everytime I get the mail. I guess with the crap quality of jeeps, no risk can be taken! Again, it's a really small rut, I can't help but laugh.
@@brontoab1No matter where the steering wheel is placed, whether it's on the right or left side, front seat or back seat, the steering wheel is always on the drivers' side. ;~)
They’re also sold overseas UK,Australia and maybe Japan so they probably came off the same assembly line with some minor changes for US safety/emissions. Some rural mail carriers are also using imported JDM vehicles as well.
Retired from over 25 years with one of the largest auto makers. They allowed employees to work as much overtime as they wanted. Usually unsupervised, and not accomplishing anything other than padding their paychecks. They spend outrageous amounts of money on ridiculous things that do nothing to improve efficiency of work processes. All that cost goes directly into sticker prices at the dealer. Amount of wasted money is astonishing.
@@Bill-sp8kb mary bara sends ohio to china and gets 29 million dollar bonus then she expects us to pay $60K+ for trucks built by 1000 robots. this place is nutz
You guys realize that inflation has completely rekt the markets right ? ... The manufacturers aren't exactly trying to steal your money. This had a lot to do with inflation.
Stellantis is definitely trying to take your money. People do realize that inflation is affecting prices, It’s just the fact that stellantis is charging way too much for overpriced garbage. 37k for a loaded Camry or 37k for a plain charger. The choice is so simple if you know your cars
That’s a false equivalency. You’re comparing a top tier toy truck that’s a beast of a truck and quite capable Offroad to a “basic vehicle.” If you want to make a comparison, use a basic vehicle such as a tradesman 2wd gasser. Then you’d have a point because even those are overpriced. Hell, the 2 door 4x4 tradesman Cummins they had shown in the video is insane pricing. I’d gladly drop another 30k and get the bee’s knees 5500 limited and have all the bells and whistles than drop 70k for what is essentially a tarp with a bucket to sit on 😆
Great video I want to buy a Gladiator 2023 out right but waiting on it to come down ! Love that your sister has joined ! She is fine and gives variety to your video
More importantly, as long as banks and lending companies are dumb enough to finance car loans that match rent or mortgage prices. People will remain dumb enough to do that forever.
Nowadays people don’t want to buy new cars because overpriced and cheaply made. Turbo engines don’t last very long. People have house bill and needs to put food on the table.
I'm 70. The most that I ever paid for a vehicle was in 2001 for a 1972 VW Beetle, which after adjusting for inflation, is about $3,000 in today's money. Those prices are nucking futz!
Prices of products are not directly tied to employee pay, In Europe workers are paid more and yet their products are on par with US counterparts. The fact that Car companies gave workers a 15% raise and then doubled the price of the cars isnt the workers fault, and yet here you are attacking fellow workers. Congrats, youre a gullible useful pawn
Motor Feed: The world economic forum announced years ago that they don’t want people to actually own anything let alone personal transportation… I would look higher more macro as this cannot simply be dealership greed or corporate mismanagement
@@roberthenry9319 That was my fancy way of saying: You need to look at the BIG PICTURE - The loser beta males running the UN and WEF are the ones that have attacked the schools, food supply/meat/dairy - and yes: Vehicle ownership. Go lookup the article on 15 minute cities. Go look at Bidens 30x30 program that is designed to eliminate public use of BLM land ( this is where the trails in Moab being cut off from being used by the off road kids come in...)... Don't wait for CNN/MSNBC/Fox and others to tell you any of this - they never will. Then once you figure that stuff out - start asking: "Who funds these organizations and what can I do about it?"
I paid 53k for my Wrangler and now they barely want to give me 28k for trade in just under 2 years later. Mine is also a Willys Xtreme Recon. The price has dropped like a stone because of Stellantis crazy prices. Used to be known to hold value.
I’ve owned 6 Wranglers since 1996 (also owned VW’s, MINI’s, BMW, a 4Runner, pathfinder. And a few others) and paid 17k for a brand new Wrangler back then. They’ve went up over the years but nothing like they have in the past 4 years. My 2020 Rubicon was 53K MRSP but walked out paying 48.5 out the door. A 2024 Rubicon, similarly equipped, has an MSRP of over 67k. They’re crazy.
I wouldn’t want to buy a vehicle from a company that might be out of business in a few months , no way Jose’ . It’s a shame I sure hope someone buys Jeep and turns around the questionable build on them , I think if they were built well they’d sell a lot more .
"A company that might be out of business in a few mths" sure, you don't actually think jeep/dodge/stelantis is even remotely close to going out of business. Maybe a dealership or 2 but not the company. That's like saying you think coca cola might be going out of business because a couple mom and pop soda shop is struggling to sell coke in thier area.
Thanks for posting this video. Funny story...I special ordered that High Altitude 4xe your sister highlighted and decided I didn't want it because a Rubicon better fit my needs. Peterson ordered the Rubicon X 4xe for me and at the time of order the hitch and auxiliary switches were standard equipment. Jeep changed that while the vehicle was in production and shipped the Rubicon X without those features. The dealership refused to advocate for me with Jeep Cares to have the equipment added so I completely backed out of the deal. The Rubicon X stickered for $78K and the dealership wanted me to pay an additional $1833 to added standard equipment. I ultimately ordered the vehicle from another dealership and took delivery back in May and got a better deal. So, not only does this dealership have a $72K High Altitude sitting on the lot, the also have a $78K Rubicon X 4xe sitting on the lot all because they couldn't be bothered to do the right thing. I hope they are enjoying that floor plan cost.
I hope stellantis sells it off to someone who can make something out of the brand. Missing Lee Iacocca right about now. That man was a way better businessman than the clown running it now and piss on Fiat.
DONT forget, the new vehicles now, you cant even scan them without having a subscription to their network. We need "the right to work on our vehicles" law in effect asap. Im a dodge guy and theyre pricing themselves out and their quality has gone down.
I paid $35k out the door on a new 2020 Warlock quad cab. Having an affordable price allowed me to Line-X the bed, add steps, get newer tires from stock, and get a few more accessories. These trucks nowadays are $50k at most dealers. It's just downright sad.
Basic...has no carpet, no TV screen, no power windows and doors, no backup camera,....basic has a radio, a manual transmission, a heater with a blower, vinyl floor covering, and 2 doors...not paying for this crap.
I just purchased a used RAM with the 6.7 Cummins diesel. It's a 2020 and only had 20k miles on it, fully loaded with heated/cooled leather seats, adaptive cruise control and the big screen. Not much has changed since 2020 on their hd trucks so i couldn't see spending over $80k for a new one. The previous owner took very good care of it, had it paint corrected and then ceramic coated along with clear protective film on the front and on bottom behind the wheels. This was all done at a professional shop and shows on the carfax. I got it for a little over $50k.
Lot rot is a real thing. Tires, batteries, plastic, leather, and rubber seals around doors, can start failing after sitting in the sun for over a year. Where I live, temperatures of 100° for a few weeks is common in the summer. The inside of the car gets even hotter, baking everything inside. Be careful when buying any vehicle that has sat outside for a long time. 🚗
The quality is worse than it was as in the 80’s. Plus when you bring it back for warranty, they try to do everything not to cover it because they know their product is crap.
When I bought my Ram 3500 4x4, 14 yrs ago I jokingly said it will be the last pickup I ever buy. It was $40k and hurt to make those payments. Can't even imagine buying a pickup today. It's not a joke anymore. That 2011 Ram is my last truck
That chick that showed how dusty the cars on the lot were, literally scratched that clear coat all up by dragging her finger across the hood 😂 feel bad whoever buys that
I'm Sitting In The WORST TRUCK Ever Made! => ua-cam.com/video/FPj5Qckuth0/v-deo.html
Why would you or anyone, for that matter, pay $55k+ for a Jeep? Absolutely stupid on the buyer's part.
I had a RAM. Wouldn't drive another one if you gave it to me. JUNK!!
@@travelinman482 There hasn't been a real Jeep since Chrysler killed off AMC's square-bodied Cherokee. Most Jeeps are just Dodge's with Jeep-looking bodies, the rest are just Fiat's with Jeep-looking bodies.
I have a friend that's a mechanic at a Dodge dealership (he drives a Chevy!), and he says he's replaced so many transmissions in Wham trucks that he can now do one in about an hour.
For me it was the CJ.
They deserve to go out of business for having insane greed for poorly built vehicles.
100 Percent
Yes 😂😂
The government will bail them out again 😂
Yeah, this has got to be greed for sure. There's no way it has anything to do with the collapse of the dollar....lol.
I bought a new Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Hemi (2023) in April 2024, and it is beautifully made. No complaints here!
All of the manufacturers are pricing themselves out of business.
Very true. Even Toyota.
@@johndelossantos1572 the tundra is puckering engines. I will buy a 68. 1972 p u 4x4. REBUILD it and have 40 50000 in it. Something u can trust AND FIX YOURSELF !!!!😊
Maybe thats the plan. You’ll own nothing and be happy 15 minute cities incoming. Not a conspiracy theorist but everything seems to going that way
They adopted a business model that needed only 17% of the automotive market to work. And it did for 2+ years. If they want the mainstream of the other 83% back in the market, they will have to build quality vehicles their customer base wants and can afford. That is how capitalism works.
When the Government tells the public what they will be allowed to choose from and manipulates the market on pricing, this is how socialism works. A perfect example is the Government force feeding EVs onto an unwilling market at too high of cost and actually blocking the necessary infrastructure improvements necessary to support them.
Knowing the government will bail them out ONCE AGAIN.
Stellantis should have taken all their rich people vehicles and put them into a separate luxury car brand. They could have called it Chrysler or something
Imperial!
Don't forget the "SALES TAX" & LICENSE/REGISTRATION" costs
And gas at $100-$150 every 2-3 days…
and insurance
You forgot the 70-400$ doc fee 😂
@@sethg1338 Only $85 in California
Dealers forgot having a home and food on the table exists and actually matters, not 100k plastic cars and trucks
Plastic PoS’
LOL..They won't learn anything until people stop buying......BudLight,Target,Disney
@@loveamerica2828 Disney is hurting and their wakeup call has started. Parks are empty and even the Disney Adults are questioning their loyalty.
You say this like the dealers forced all the dumbass to buy cars that were 20k over price all you have to do is Google what the car your looking at is actually worth, can't blame a business for selling stuff overpriced when people keep buying it lol
@@BalzanKillA No one here said anything about forcing people....LOL we have described consequences of the manufacturers actions....AND THEY DESERVE IT!!!!
A ram rebel for 75,000 is fucking insane.
That sounds about right. My pops paid 37k for his used Ram in 2016. Msrp was 45k. The same model now is 60k.
what was work truck with steel wheels in 2019 and what is it now?
The first gen ford raptor was priced at that when it came out 😂
inflation shows up in big ticket items.
id just by used
My prediction is this: 1) Under Stellantis management, Dodge and Chrysler will cease to exist, 2) Stellantis, as a holding company with a portfolio of too many brands, will fail, and 3) Ram and Jeep will, yet again, be bought by another manufacturer or private equity firm. Odds are pretty good all of this will happen.
Imagine spending that much money for something that is almost guaranteed to break down within 60k miles.
at least 100k. these newer models are SHITT
They put the "FIX IT AGAIN TONY" TECHNOLOGY INTO THEM !!!
I'm fully confident the American public can outlast these dealers and manufacturers. They need to go out of business
This is a result of money printing and an inflation tax not greed. Everything is going to increase in price. More money printing = higher prices. Add minimum wage increases and you will see prices increase in every single sector.
Them going out of business just means our government will bail them out with our money.. we’re doomed lol
@@eFxAstronot gonna happen because tha colonizers who don’t belong on lands they already are just don’t see that judgement is upon y’all nothing good is coming y’all way this is y’all end
@@eFxAstrofuck it
O don't worry, just like last time if the manufacturer goes out of bussiness they'll just get your tax money to fail again.
Not a single vehicle shown in this video is worth more than 40k. It doesn't matter what the trim level is, none of them are worth it
Exactly, no car is worth what the price tag is. We have massive fully scaled up global production that makes everything that goes into a car the cheapest it has ever been, but even modest sedans are pushing 30K. My civic brand new is north of 25K, and that isn’t even for an SI. I can’t imagine what an electric version would go for knowing what the ICE version costs, not that I want an electric car in the slightest, but it’s just the thought.
It’s crazy price gouging, mostly by the dealers themselves but also by the manufacturers cranking up their own pricing. I get the coof slowed and disrupted things, but that has been gone for so long now we should be back at it, but then we also have to remember that pricing never comes down even if conditions return to normal.
Eeeh I’d say the dually is. Probably around the 40-50k mark
The TRX is a Hellcat truck really should’ve been priced similar to a hellcat. 10-15k more MAX. 125k TRX? Lmao 😂🤣 Goodbye stellantis !
40K is to much. Car payments are also ridiculously to high.
That Wrangler 392 should be discounted now that it has scratches on the hood from someone running their finger over it 😂
My thoughts exactly lol! The kind of person who would buy that wouldn’t appreciate those scratches!
I know, I was like wtf?
Glad to know I'm not alone. Like dafuq
If wranglers scratch from someone running a finger over the paint, maybe fussy owners should buy something else.
@@jonboy602 any paint can scratch from that.
An Italian automaker owning an American truck, Jeep and car company. What could possibly go wrong? My advice, keep your junk on your side of the Atlantic.
not our fault our junk gets bought, bud.
$74K for a RAM Rebel, $68K for a RAM 3500 diesel single cab, $70K or more for any Jeep is INSANITY!!!!
$25k for a jeep is insane. whats wrong with you?!
you mean the second House I bought is the same Price as a Ram 3500 diesel single cab pickup???? WTF where's the shower kitchen toilet? well at least I won't have to cut the grass LOL
I went to a dealer for a recall a couple months ago and there was a basic trim 3500 Cummins (cloth seats quad cab) $83,000 sticker
My 2017 2500 Megcab longhorn fully loaded had a sticker of $73k and I got it for $60k
@@maddog799925k for a jeep is normal
@@maddog7999go on any website now, there’s no jeep for under 20k 😂
As one person once said..."You will own nothing and be happy". I think this is part of that plan...Similar to housing costs.
That was Klaus Schwab. Head of the World Economic Forum. POS!
What happened to the "and be happy" part?
@@larrys4618 it helps to live in a 420 legal state
The wuhan really hurt us bad. Look at what all it did to us, socially and manufacturing wise. It will take 20 years to get our balance back, maybe.
@@larrys4618 Do you see what I just wrote? Watch it disappear Fast!
You cant tell me stellantis is not intentionally trying to tank the brand. And help trash our economy.
I bought a brand new 2003 ram in 03 for 27 thousand brand new . After all the rebates . I still own it 320thousand miles on it
Pricing will not correct until people completely stop buying.
Most have
Exactly
$125,000 for a depreciating piece of garbage amazing
@@phoenixinfinity595 yes. It might be a little different if they built them like they are capable of building them. They would still be overpriced and marked up but at least you’d have something at the end of you kept it. We get what our BETTERS give us. I ain’t buying. I’ll turn Amish first! 🙃 no offense to the Amish. 😆 more power too em
Well, if you're buying a Chrysler product you're not too smart to begin with.
@@donaldshimkus539
Why do you care?
Most sane people just ignore things they don't like. Delusional people obsess over them.
Put that same $$ into NVDA stock 4 years ago and be worth $400,000 today.
Nope, nope, nope. My 2011 F-150 just rolled 250, and hasnt cost me a dime since 2015 'cept for gas, oil, battery and tires. Hard pass on any car payment higher than my house payment from just a few years ago.
My 1994 f350 crew cab diesel cost me $16,000 in 2002. Still running great.123,000 miles.
You would be extremely surprised at how many Private Contractors deliver mail. When I sold Jeep, I would sell at least three of those RHD a year. Those are typically special order, so I'm not sure why that one is sitting on their lot, unless it is just being stored there until the owner comes to take delivery.
I work on the service side. We like to have one on the lot if possible.
I wouldn’t pay those MSRPs if I won the Powerball. None of this is sustainable. And they can take those 4XEs and shove ‘em.
7% interest on all that lot rot should be bankrupting a lot of stealerships this year. That is about $350 per month per unit for every one of these heavily overpriced American nameplate gas guzzling breakdown machines that are still on their lots after the 30 day floorpan assistance expires.
Perhaps in the next year or 2 prices will collapse when a large number of pickup trucks go over the auction block.
I would rather drive a used bmw then any of these cars😊
They priced everyone out jeep used to a affordable brand
Affordable, reliable, fun, cool. That's been Jeep's niche since the end of WW2.
It's not a hard formula to understand, except for the geniuses at Stellantis.
Big corporate holding companies do this stuff over and over. They buy up brands and proceed to kill the geese that laid golden eggs for a long time.
The low price of a Jeep USED to be a selling point😳
Now they're not affordable and they aren't even reliable, anymore. I got my old 96 Grand Cherokee 4.0l with 300k on it. Haven't put but maybe $2000-$3000 in it, including the cost of buying. They don't make them like they used to and they sure as hell don't sell them for reasonable prices, like they used to. I avoid 90% of new cars, including everything Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge.
Lol, if by "used to be" you mean 20-25 years ago... sure. Things have been overpriced for a long time now. this is nothing new...
i knew there was an issue when a wrangler hit $40k
I paid 3k for my 4banger 1998 wrangler…250,125 miles still going
Of course lots of parts have been put in since then but the engine and transmission are original !!
And I’ve wheeled the mountains hard, hit trees,climbed boulders and towed way more than it was rated for…
Keep that in mind the next time you wanna drop 100k
Good shit bro ✋🏽
I thought they just expected customers to sign their life away to a 10 year truck payment 😂😂😂
125 k for a ram? What idiot would pay that for a pickup that falls apart after few years? Not long ago you could buy a house for that
You've never owned one, they actually tend to last.
But 125k is still absurd.
Mind you most 125K+ cars never even see 100,000 on the odometer.
@@shadowwolfmandanThis!! i love your comment
That’s exactly what I paid for my house 😂 15:14
I own one. But I seriously paid close to 1/2 of that on my '22. I special ordered & waited 5 months to get a deal below MSRP. The inflation on these vehicles has been insane, but keep in mind a lot of these dealers put stupid high mark-ups on the vehicles out of greed. You think this is bad, look at the Raptor price and mark-ups. Ford had a major problem trying to keep their dealers from price-gouging.
@@shadowwolfmandan The quality of Ram trucks in inconsistent, you'll see some that last a long time while others can fall apart quickly. I've owned two one was great and one was garbage.
Who is paying 125,000 for a truck?
I see a lot of “disabled veterans” driving brand new expensive trucks. I’m a plumber who connects pool heaters to natural gas lines. Pretty much all of the people I work for are disabled veterans who can swim and also have a full gym in their garage. Go figure…
Not Me
⚽️ soccer moms they have rich husband's.
@@huemann7637Some disabilities can't be seen.
I mean, at that point, you could get a semi truck for that kinda money
I worked for FCA for 3 years and it was absolutely amazing how poor the quality of their vehicles is. I would get recall notifications multiple times daily. I spent the majority of my time there doing warranty repairs. Not just flash updates but rewiring stuff so it doesn’t catch fire, replacing critical chassis and steering parts that would fail and rebuilding engines that have failed before 50k. I truly hope they don’t get bailed out and are just left to die.
Interesting comment, I just had the lifters and an injector replaced on my ‘22 ram at 45k miles! Was this something you saw regularly?
@@Iwngan 🤷♂️ I stopped working at that dealership in 2017
@Iwngan if its the 3.6 v6 yes, i worked at a CDRJ dealer for a yr and will never work at american dealer again. tranmissions on rams failing at 15k miles. back ordered transmissions (post covid) 3.6 headgaskets at 30k-50k, amywhere from 6-12 recalls on just ONE vehicle (wagoneers) hybrids requiring 4 differnt modules to be warranty flasged and only paying .30 hours to do about 45-1 an hrs of work, before and after documentation or they take the oay from you.
In 2016 I got a brand new loaded RAM 1500 Big Horn 4x4 with the 5.7 HEMI / 8HP70 8-speed, spray in bed, sunroof, climate control, etc. for $36,000 out the door (that's vehicle price + tax + tags + fees, including $499 BS doc fee). People, let that sink in for a moment.
Ya was also 8 years ago buddy 😂
@@SIMRIG412 yes, 8 years ago but I bet that price surge percentage is much higher than say the increase from 2008-2016. Inflation jumped up substantially.
@@SIMRIG412 It's greed...
@@SIMRIG412 GREED my friend... its corporate GREED
Chills lol i just bought a new 2018 jeep wrangler…after warranty & taxes it costed me 30k. 10k more than what i thought. fucking killed me lol
They could shut down the factories for 6 months, there would still be lots full of rams and jeeps
and still no sales.
More like a year 😂 they need to reduce production
And probably still have vast lots of already built product that hasn't even shipped to dealers yet
A pickup should never cost more than $50,000. Everyone needs to quit buying. Built cheaper and crammed with tech look fancy which gives more trouble than the mechanical. Built to be expensive to fix and expendable.
Not just the price either. The auto loan rate has 2x'd as well. In 2018 my fully loaded dual top Wrangler JKU was $34,000 at 2.3%. Now the same build is $58,000 and 7%
$53K for a work truck is nuts.
What's even more nuts is Ford and GM selling single cabs for $40k.
@daniel0atk what's even more nuts is that those dealerships will sell them for that price Used.
@@daniel0atkI mean will last long than a dodge and actually you can get a4 door for around 50k
this is exactly what i was telling my mom !
Stellantis is going to learn the hard way that building way overpriced garbage has never been a winning business model.
Chrysler has been building junk for decades, so it's not Stellantis fault. Daimler-Benz dumped Chrysler at a tremendous loss because they were building junk.
I'd rather stick with older models...at least I dont have to go to college to fix the darn things.
I have a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited 5.2 V8 4x4.
PAID $3,300. With 190,000 mi.
Drove it for 50,000 Miles and now it has 240,000 mi..
Runs perfect. No leaks.
Just passed smog with flying colors.
If something needs to be fixed, I fix it.
Saw one the other day with 400,000 mi also in mint condition.
Why would I buy a new truck?
Love my ZJ.
The new ones are garbage in my opinion.
it's almost like gouging customers is a horrible business strategy.
You are too generous. Gouging customers as much as possible is most definitely a business strategy. But you sure are correct that it is a horrible one. For the most part, buying used helps a lot for many customers.
74k for a Rebel? Greed! Nothing more.
Yep, should be under $50k out the door
that's nearly Ford Raptor money for ram garbage 😂
Delusional
Because of AMC, i was a die-hard Chrysler buyer. I believed in them so much that I traded my soul and started selling them. One I had the inside track and saw deep behind the curtain, I ran from the sales floor, retiring last year.
The only AMC holdover Chrysler built was the square-bodied Cherokee, and they killed it off for Dodge's with Jeep-looking bodies.
I bought my used 2002 Dodge RAM 1500 with 120k miles for $3000 like 5 years ago and that thing is still runnin. The newer ones are like insanely pricey... They arent even that much more powerful either man... Just get an older one and take good care of it...
The car manufacturers can keep them all!
So 37k for a stripped rental spec Charger or 37k for a loaded Camry, hmm.
And the Charger dates back to 2005 with a gestation of 4-5 years before that!
That's a no brainer. I'll take the Camry!
@@Bill-sp8kbthe base Camry is like 26k
@@rising_crustwhat are you talking about?
@@maddog7999 the Charger and 300 are built on a platform introduced in 2005 and that platform takes components from Mercedes dating back to ‘99.
Most car companies take 3-5 years to engineer a new model.
Thanks to you both for the latest information.
Looks like Chrysler going to need Iacocca again😢
I doubt they will be shut down. But it does make Stellantis look stupid and greedy as hell.
All I heard was plastic plastic plastic
I love how the base price is 1000s of dollars cheaper than the dealer prices
Thanks for the update, looks like nothing has changed yet and the stupidity is still very high!
These vehicles can sit until doom's day as far as I'm concerned. So much money for a poorly made vehicle that gets terrible gas mileage doesn't make sense.
Chrysler Ram stopped caring about gas millage and built some pretty sweet rides. seems we got a lot of people talking like they know something. Their design teams are outstanding.
If you are worried about gas mileage, don't buy a truck, but a gay fwd family car. Trucks are supposed to have power from a big engine to do work. But since the 80s, too many of you soft people wanted it to have luxury items and feel like a Cadillac. The consumer is usually as dumb as the company selling their products for too high of a price, to the dummy who happily pays the price.
$51K for a hornet... wow! We bought a brand new 2021 Mazda CX-5 carbon edition turbo AWD with 14 miles on it for $31k. It now has 75k miles on it and haven't even had a check engine light. We did replace the tires at 20k miles, didnt like the factory ones.
Far better vehicle, I've had 3 Mazda's, my friend has 2 they are THE BEST! My 2014 Mazda 3 has been phenomenal.
WEF says personal car ownership should be outlawed. This is why prices are going up exponentially.
When I was shipping for my new Jeep in 2022, The Rubicons were vastly overpriced compared to the other versions. They must add a premium just for the Rubicon name. I ordered the basic, basic Jeep Wrangler Sport (not Sport S, or any of the other crap), added the 3-piece hard top and a couple small additions and it cost me $39,115. When adding in the delivery fee, tax, etc the total ended up being $43k. My previous vehicle was a 2000 Jeep Cherokee Classic which I bought new in 2001 for $26k. Factoring in inflation between 2001 and 2022, that $26k would be about $43k in 2022 dollars, so I felt the price was equitable to what I had paid for my previous Jeep. But prices now have gotten way out of control.
Alot of rural mail carriers use their own vehicle. So, that's the market for that RHD Jeep.
Interesting, that's cool to know.
My mail man up here in maine uses a wrangler with the steering wheel on the passenger side. Ironically he left me a note complaining about a small rut in my gravel driveway that I drive over with my Mazda CX-3 everytime I get the mail. I guess with the crap quality of jeeps, no risk can be taken! Again, it's a really small rut, I can't help but laugh.
@@brontoab1No matter where the steering wheel is placed, whether it's on the right or left side, front seat or back seat, the steering wheel is always on the drivers' side. ;~)
But we don’t get paid anywhere near enough to buy that jeep.
They’re also sold overseas UK,Australia and maybe Japan so they probably came off the same assembly line with some minor changes for US safety/emissions.
Some rural mail carriers are also using imported JDM vehicles as well.
Retired from over 25 years with one of the largest auto makers. They allowed employees to work as much overtime as they wanted. Usually unsupervised, and not accomplishing anything other than padding their paychecks. They spend outrageous amounts of money on ridiculous things that do nothing to improve efficiency of work processes. All that cost goes directly into sticker prices at the dealer. Amount of wasted money is astonishing.
this is exactly right. people making 100k plus and laughing about doing nothing. THIS is where the problem lies.
@@carl16760Shouldn't be paying executives, seven figure salaries, either.
@@Bill-sp8kb mary bara sends ohio to china and gets 29 million dollar bonus then she expects us to pay $60K+ for trucks built by 1000 robots. this place is nutz
I would rather have a used Toyota 4 wheel drive truck with 200,000 miles on it any day of the year.
Not even a fully loaded jeep should coat more than 25k. No pickup should ever cost more than 35k even if its a 1 ton diesel. This is disgusting.
You guys realize that inflation has completely rekt the markets right ? ... The manufacturers aren't exactly trying to steal your money. This had a lot to do with inflation.
Stellantis is definitely trying to take your money. People do realize that inflation is affecting prices, It’s just the fact that stellantis is charging way too much for overpriced garbage.
37k for a loaded Camry or 37k for a plain charger. The choice is so simple if you know your cars
If they built better vehicles, they wouldn't have to worry!! Who wants a high price piece of crap?
Built better or not - Still way too expensive.
No basic vehicle should cost more than $15,000. That anyone is dumb enough to pay $125,000 is why they cost that much.
Maybe in 1980! 😂😂😂
15k? That is what my new Ford bronco cost in 1985! lol. I’m old too, but “come on man”.I do however agree with the sentiment.
Problem is they charge you BY DEFAULT for features you neither need nor want. Who needs parking sensors, backup cameras, lane keep, etc. not me.
@@carguy862004 I don't even want power windows.
That’s a false equivalency. You’re comparing a top tier toy truck that’s a beast of a truck and quite capable Offroad to a “basic vehicle.” If you want to make a comparison, use a basic vehicle such as a tradesman 2wd gasser. Then you’d have a point because even those are overpriced. Hell, the 2 door 4x4 tradesman Cummins they had shown in the video is insane pricing. I’d gladly drop another 30k and get the bee’s knees 5500 limited and have all the bells and whistles than drop 70k for what is essentially a tarp with a bucket to sit on 😆
Good. Let these companies get shut down. $50k to $100k for a vehicle is ridiculous. Especially a work man truck for a working man.
If Stellantis really didn't want to buy carbon credits, why did they buy Dodge?
Who actually pays 120,000 for it ram truck
Last year of a TRX in production
People who spell well. 😂
@@robertcox8994 Soooo ?????? LOL Next ......🤣😂😉
Idiots who will be crying about quality of life
Democrats
Ford and chevy is just as bad.
I just got new Silverado crew cab 4x4 for $40,800 about $12,000 incentives
Great video I want to buy a Gladiator 2023 out right but waiting on it to come down ! Love that your sister has joined ! She is fine and gives variety to your video
I’m 60 years old and jeep has been making garbage vehicles as long as I can remember
As long a people are dumb enough to take out car loans that match their rent or mortgage for monthly payments, this is what you will see.
More importantly, as long as banks and lending companies are dumb enough to finance car loans that match rent or mortgage prices. People will remain dumb enough to do that forever.
Repoman job security
Nowadays people don’t want to buy new cars because overpriced and cheaply made. Turbo engines don’t last very long. People have house bill and needs to put food on the table.
$53,000 for a basic ram is a ripoff
I'm 70. The most that I ever paid for a vehicle was in 2001 for a 1972 VW Beetle, which after adjusting for inflation, is about $3,000 in today's money. Those prices are nucking futz!
3K is the most you've ever paid for a vehicle????? wow thats crazy. I paid that for used cars in the 1970s.
I live in the Toledo area and the employees are freaking out. They wanted that crazy raise. Now they can eat their jobs.
Prices of products are not directly tied to employee pay, In Europe workers are paid more and yet their products are on par with US counterparts. The fact that Car companies gave workers a 15% raise and then doubled the price of the cars isnt the workers fault, and yet here you are attacking fellow workers.
Congrats, youre a gullible useful pawn
Someone sounds jealous
Maybe that is a good thing. They can finally get out of Toledo.
@@user-eu5wb7bv2f
Definitely not OP; they probably still have a job/business.
Weirdo statement.
I live just down the road from Toledo. I don’t feel sorry for them.
Price themselves out of business
Tax payer bailout forms in the works
Why can't they build a vehicle that's worth $20,000 affordable..
53k for a basic truck is insane
Motor Feed: The world economic forum announced years ago that they don’t want people to actually own anything let alone personal transportation…
I would look higher more macro as this cannot simply be dealership greed or corporate mismanagement
The World Economic Forum is pushing many policies which would destroy the United States as we have known it since 1776.
OK. I'll look "higher more macro". Then what? But first, what is "higher more macro"? Do we have that in Albuquerque?
@@roberthenry9319 technically, no, they're on the East Coast.
@@roberthenry9319 That was my fancy way of saying: You need to look at the BIG PICTURE - The loser beta males running the UN and WEF are the ones that have attacked the schools, food supply/meat/dairy - and yes: Vehicle ownership.
Go lookup the article on 15 minute cities. Go look at Bidens 30x30 program that is designed to eliminate public use of BLM land ( this is where the trails in Moab being cut off from being used by the off road kids come in...)...
Don't wait for CNN/MSNBC/Fox and others to tell you any of this - they never will.
Then once you figure that stuff out - start asking: "Who funds these organizations and what can I do about it?"
Who needs to eat or have a place to live? Just buy one of these money pits.
If a vehicle isnt made out of prescious metals, it's not worth more than 100k
I paid 53k for my Wrangler and now they barely want to give me 28k for trade in just under 2 years later. Mine is also a Willys Xtreme Recon. The price has dropped like a stone because of Stellantis crazy prices. Used to be known to hold value.
Man, 4 years ago I spent 20k on a vehicle for the FIRST time in my life. The thought of spending 100k+ on a depreciating asset is just absurd.
All these manufacturers vehicles can rot on lot
Looks like they are.
I’ve owned 6 Wranglers since 1996 (also owned VW’s, MINI’s, BMW, a 4Runner, pathfinder. And a few others) and paid 17k for a brand new Wrangler back then. They’ve went up over the years but nothing like they have in the past 4 years. My 2020 Rubicon was 53K MRSP but walked out paying 48.5 out the door. A 2024 Rubicon, similarly equipped, has an MSRP of over 67k. They’re crazy.
paying $70,000 for a vehicle that's essentially 1/2 plastic
I wouldn’t want to buy a vehicle from a company that might be out of business in a few months , no way Jose’ . It’s a shame I sure hope someone buys Jeep and turns around the questionable build on them , I think if they were built well they’d sell a lot more .
"A company that might be out of business in a few mths" sure, you don't actually think jeep/dodge/stelantis is even remotely close to going out of business. Maybe a dealership or 2 but not the company. That's like saying you think coca cola might be going out of business because a couple mom and pop soda shop is struggling to sell coke in thier area.
You can literally get a new Toyota Land Cruiser for less than the 2024 Jeep Rubicon!!!
Toyota isn’t built by UAW workers.
people don't want fiat's rebranded as dodge, ram, or jeep.
Thanks for posting this video. Funny story...I special ordered that High Altitude 4xe your sister highlighted and decided I didn't want it because a Rubicon better fit my needs. Peterson ordered the Rubicon X 4xe for me and at the time of order the hitch and auxiliary switches were standard equipment. Jeep changed that while the vehicle was in production and shipped the Rubicon X without those features. The dealership refused to advocate for me with Jeep Cares to have the equipment added so I completely backed out of the deal. The Rubicon X stickered for $78K and the dealership wanted me to pay an additional $1833 to added standard equipment. I ultimately ordered the vehicle from another dealership and took delivery back in May and got a better deal. So, not only does this dealership have a $72K High Altitude sitting on the lot, the also have a $78K Rubicon X 4xe sitting on the lot all because they couldn't be bothered to do the right thing. I hope they are enjoying that floor plan cost.
Dang man. That’s insane. Glad you finally found a dealer who would work with you.
I hope stellantis sells it off to someone who can make something out of the brand. Missing Lee Iacocca right about now. That man was a way better businessman than the clown running it now and piss on Fiat.
The K car's were crap. R.I.P. Lee 🇺🇸
@@libertyman3729But, they sold, and saved the company .
Fiat built some of the best tuned trucks we ever beat on. You people in here are talking out your golo
If I had 125k I still wouldn't buy ut😊
I’d pay down the balance on my house mortgage
@@LK-bz9sk ... people can't buy houses today either, much less paying down on a mortgage...
DONT forget, the new vehicles now, you cant even scan them without having a subscription to their network. We need "the right to work on our vehicles" law in effect asap.
Im a dodge guy and theyre pricing themselves out and their quality has gone down.
I paid $35k out the door on a new 2020 Warlock quad cab. Having an affordable price allowed me to Line-X the bed, add steps, get newer tires from stock, and get a few more accessories. These trucks nowadays are $50k at most dealers. It's just downright sad.
OVERPRICE JUNK
Basic...has no carpet, no TV screen, no power windows and doors, no backup camera,....basic has a radio, a manual transmission, a heater with a blower, vinyl floor covering, and 2 doors...not paying for this crap.
As someone who literally grew up in Rams and doges, it doesnt make me sad if they shut down. They died to me already.
I just purchased a used RAM with the 6.7 Cummins diesel. It's a 2020 and only had 20k miles on it, fully loaded with heated/cooled leather seats, adaptive cruise control and the big screen. Not much has changed since 2020 on their hd trucks so i couldn't see spending over $80k for a new one. The previous owner took very good care of it, had it paint corrected and then ceramic coated along with clear protective film on the front and on bottom behind the wheels. This was all done at a professional shop and shows on the carfax. I got it for a little over $50k.
Still driving my 1995 12 valve Cummins, paid $18,000 used in 1999. Banks Powerpack 😎👍🏻
Lot rot is a real thing. Tires, batteries, plastic, leather, and rubber seals around doors, can start failing after sitting in the sun for over a year. Where I live, temperatures of 100° for a few weeks is common in the summer. The inside of the car gets even hotter, baking everything inside. Be careful when buying any vehicle that has sat outside for a long time. 🚗
They're gonna have to give those trucks away because anyone that could afford to buy one already has.
The quality is worse than it was as in the 80’s. Plus when you bring it back for warranty, they try to do everything not to cover it because they know their product is crap.
Rural mail carriers have contracts with USPS and drive their own vehicles, thus the need for the RH drive.
When I bought my Ram 3500 4x4, 14 yrs ago I jokingly said it will be the last pickup I ever buy. It was $40k and hurt to make those payments. Can't even imagine buying a pickup today. It's not a joke anymore. That 2011 Ram is my last truck
Upgrade the truck to the 8speed with a SGA wiring harness. You will love the truck even more!
That chick that showed how dusty the cars on the lot were, literally scratched that clear coat all up by dragging her finger across the hood 😂 feel bad whoever buys that
$125k....for a truck....and they wonder why they can't move inventory. There are 2024 corvettes for almost half that price!