Hi. There’s no Hammond or Taurus pedal, and no Solina chords on the Shine On intro. And very little reverb. Lovely attempt, though, but not close. Also, the book you reference is wildly inaccurate.
well, who I am to doubt you - your live work on the kurzweils and the programming is beautiful. But...back in 1975 what else could they have used - and how about the interview with Brian Humphries engineer on the recording: Rick Wright then builds on this with a Hammond organ as well as the synth sounds of an EMS VCS3, ARP Solina and Minimoog before Dave Gilmour plays an extended G-minor blues solo on his Fender Strat. I would have no idea what they could have used - maybe besides the Farfisa compact and of course the wine glasses. But again: you have toured and recorded with the band for almost 30 years...so please help us out in this quest: how did they do it :-)
Dear @joncarin6759 you have really made me doubt my video: did I really fool almost 10k people with my analysis...and when it comes to the Solina (...where there can't be any doubt I really thought - in an interview from 2007 you say: "For example, the drone on the front of Shine On is made from tuned wine glasses mixed with Solina and Minimoog." - So could that mean: Farfisa - EMS - Solina - Wine glasses - No Hammond - No Taurus?
@@joncarin6759 Farfisa in stead of hammond? Mini Moog for bass - and part of the Gmin chord? BTW: it’s great that you have put us on the right path :-)😇And never trust books and the internet in general anymore ;-) Taurus and Hammond always show up as being part of the arrangement. I will start to work on a new version - but I’m probably will never get close to the original - but at least it will be true! I stand corrected 🤥
Very, very nice. It was definitely at least 95% there to my ears. At first I wasnt even sure if you were actually playing the record and then going to show yours or what. Great job!
The audio on the laptop (the solo line in particular) sounds like a later live recording, not the original. (but I do love the subject. I was in a band and we played a lot of PF, including this piece. I resorted to sampling my Moog, string synth, etc into a big layered patch that I could play with my left hand so my right hand could play the Moog solo part)
Thank you for your analysis! Pink Floyd have always been one of my top groups... I started with Obscured by clouds and Meddle - and then Dark side of the moon blew me away...!
For me it started with Animals - than Wish you were here - than Dark side - we simply didn’t have the money to buy many records back then…I think Animals is still my favorite (probably because it was my first..)
same here. i finally nailed it with the mother 32 (and an external envelope). not even a software emulation of the minimoog comes close to the sound of an actual moog.
@@tru7hhimself there are quite a lot of people that think differently about that - plug ins are great - but at the end of the day they lack the intensity of a true Moog I believe
txxs for the kind support - but my goal was really to find out how it was done - I am really thankful that Jon Carin who had access to the original master recording to create the sound for PF live - shared his knowledge with us. Sunday I will share an update / part 2 video.
@@josesvintagekeys I can’t say for sure as I don’t own a solina. It seems like the bass section alone would set it apart from a solina. I have a 505 with Tubbutec midi and it’s one of my favorite synths.
Fine job!! If you were playing that live in a band, the audience would be in awe. You would be so close, they would.... You're not playing for musicians. They be blown away! Even us musicians that play in cover bands would be blown away, Jose! BTW, hello fellow Jupiter 8 owner. Very nice setup! That Solina sounds wonderful. I have a Crumar Performer, which isn't bad. I also have a Yamaha D85 organ that can do some pretty lush Solina type strings. Speaking of Yamaha, Sweet CS80!!
txxs for the nice compliment. Here in Holland there are quite a lot of PF cover bands - using Nords, Yamaha’s etc - using the real stuff does make the difference… but even PF used Kurzweil life… Maybe we are too much purists. Great you have a JP8 too!
Nice to see the HX3 organ; I don't remember seeing that before. I used to use one of their organs and am always surprised that they aren't more popular.
Dankjewel voor je zorgvuldige uitleg. Voor mij wederom een bevestiging dat de solina strings ensemble wordt gebruikt in het intro. En zo mooi gelayerd met de hammond en taurus🎹🎹🎹
HI Peter - ik kreeg wel feedback van Jon Carin - al 25 jaar musical director van Pink Floyd en Roger Waters - dat er dus geen Hammond en Taurus in het origineel zitten - vandaag volgt een video waarin zijn feedback is verwerkt - er komt dus nog meer :-)
I have only heard one live recording from that time - and there Rick Wright played the intro solo on the Mini - very nice - but different. Much later they started using poly synths (JX10, Kurzweil) and that is indeed different. I don’t think they used the combi of Taurus, Hammond and Solina live. Also because he could’nt play 3 parts at the same time..Having said that: thanks for the compliment :-)))))
* For the Solina, I would lean toward the first one as I don’t really hear that low side of it. * I think the vibrato is a bit subtle. After all, it’s supposed to evoke a mournful trumpet. And, of course, that same Moog sound is heard in part 9, which is one of Rick’s finest moments. * I know the VCS3 was more “Welcome to the Machine” (and I think as the transition out of “Have a Cigar”). All in all, nice job from someone who was also very informed by both Pink Floyd and Vangelis as a kid =]
@@josesvintagekeys Yeah, I can hear that. But then again, everything else is blended so well that it makes it sound subtle. It’s akin to hearing guitar tones on their own: sounds terrible in isolation yet it works in the mix, which should matter in the end =]
Hi, I was wandering about the book in this video, I tried to google it but didn't see a book exactly like that, was just wandering were we could find it or does it have a different cover in other parts of the world?
He means that literally but also in a ‘more cowbell’ way. What you are missing, is the sound of multiple glass bowls being played in harmonics of the key of G. I think the instrument is called a Farfina or something like that. Listen to it again and you’ll hear it.
@@LysanderLH I fully agree that the wine glasses are missing - and I do mention that in the video. Farfisa is something completely different - it's a combo organ that has been used by Wright until beginning of the seventies.
@@josesvintagekeys what is the name of the keyboard instrument which has a set of scale-tuned glass bowls in it? Gilmour famously employed a street musician who played tuned wine glasses for the intro to Shine on for this reason.
I only hear the top end of the solina. I wonder if they added some phaser on top I’ve always wondered what those little weird sounds and blips they added at the very beginning
@@jimbalkovec5317 that is a perfect way of saying it! Obviously it is about the unique sound - but even more about their design, historic significance and feel. Indeed: pure work of art
Very nice and thanks for sharing. Re. Jon’s corrections and so forth: I played with this a few years ago using wine glass samples triggered by a MIDI keyboard. It did not sound exactly the same but it was pretty close. It definitely convinced me that the majority of the pad sound was created with the wine glasses. It had the “feel” and the harmonic character of the original. The lower register wine glasses sounded similar to an organ while the higher register wine glasses sounded more like an orchestral string pad. I did not try the Solina but I suspect that it is a single note riding on top of everything else. (I should go back and try that now.) Anyway, the wine glass pad is very dense, and there’s really no need for the B3 at all or for the Solina to play chords (or even diads or triads), IMO. Just my 2 cents. Would love to hear feedback. This is an iconic pad and it is a fascinating subject.
Your feedback is spot on - and in my next video I will try to find out what more is needed to create the intro sound: Mini Moog for the Bass drone and Farfisa for a church organ effect on top of the wine glasses - let’s test and find out - you can expect my next video on sunday. Txxs for sharing your view on this!
Thanks! I played with it some more yesterday using the wine glass samples and a Solina software synth (I only have software synths). I’m guessing the bass is EMS Synthi (VCS3)? They used that a lot on that record. I will experiment with my Synthi softsynth as well.
Jose you’re definitely missing something, I’ve always attributed it to a VCS or whatever, but there is a faint synth drone in the background that almost sounds like someone speaking through a vocoder. Turn it up and listen again!
7:30 The best way is to look at it with spectrum analysis. Separate the tracks with AI if needed. One other UA-camr used an SA to debunk a myth about what The Beatles were playing one of their guitars. And found a hidden note 😮
I am a fan of Yamaha and own a Motif 8 in my band - I wanted to have the Yamaha sound in my studio. It’s great; but the ‘Rompler sound’ for some reason doesnt blend with the analog stuff. So it’s kind of lonely - except as a distorted guitar in my Miami Vice cover
Hallo, another most important ingredient, the year 1974, the Gear was all analog etc etc, in the analog domain It is impossible to replicate the Spirit of one hour, of a day, of a week, a mons, a year, everytime someone try ( pink Floyd too) can be very close but not identical, that is the magic ❤ Ps! Sorry for my poor English
Ah another sound very beautifull, that ever impressed me, the keyboard intro pad under the Piano sound of the song Telegraph Road, Dire Straits , the synthesizer programmer was Ed walsh, he had work with John Lennon too, but I didn't find any information on Ed walsh and on that sound, it can be oberheim, moog and other but again the Spirit Is incredibile, and again never Dire Straits replicate that Spirit in live situation. Beautifull!!!!
I really appreciate your work! Sounds great and absolutely convincing! Have to try that wine glass kinda things next time in the studio! What I was wondering about: Is there knowledge about how The Floyd made that intro during their long period of live performances in the following years? For example, how did they do it in Venice 1989 (stacked Roland MKS80s?) or during the PULSE tour? Despite being one of the most beautiful keyboard sounds ever made on the original album, I have to admit that I even admire it more in some live versions...
Sorry you are completely wrong. The intro came from the record „Household Objects“ from 1973, and consist of tapeloops and no classical instruments. It is made with glass bowls, vacuum cleaner and many more. They reproduce it for a occasion and I couldn’t believe it but it is true.
I was wrong indeed - but you are completely wrong as well :-) Check this video - it’s based on household objects - but the full arrangement is based on the feedback from Jon Carin - Musical Director of Pink Floyd - he knows the original multi tracks - so he knows Pink Floyd Music Director Jon Carin commented: No Hammond, no Taurus! ua-cam.com/video/_NJt9-iQGSw/v-deo.html
What bass speakers do you have in your studio? I have 2x double 18" running on 12000W of MC2. I don't know how people make music without a big system. If you want to know what it's going to sound like live this is important. Use some pa speakers and some fat bass to really know what your creating. People will argue this until they are blue in the face but so be it. I also have 4x ESL 57 but to be fair not many people use this listening experience so i wouldn't use them as monitors in a studio. They certainly have no mid range punch.
I run 4x 15's with 1.4kw RMS amps + several 600w per ch ,in a 21 x 14 x 10 studio, thats enough to feel the bass,good for testing final mixes ,all about variety & comming up with a mix that sounds good with different setups. i agree, i dont see how people with small systems can get full mixes, that sound good on all setups. My path is headphones, ref monitors, large high wattage system, & in car listening. You just go back and forth till it sounds right. Does me.
@@josesvintagekeys Fan van goede muziek ;-) en ja zeker Floyd, daarna heel van filmmuziek met Vangelis, Hans Zimmer. Ik probeer nu via plugins van allerlei synths en orchestraal muziek mijn eigen creaties te maken. Soms waag ik me aan een cover, er staan enkele solos waar ik de guitar speel op mijn kanaal met backing tracks van Pink Floyd.
@@josesvintagekeys Van de groep Neuronium. Hij heeft met Vangelis samen gespeeld in Londen en dat is op UA-cam te vinden. Overigens hoor ik geen Solina bas in Shine. Ik heb String-Ensembles sinds 1988. Misschien een pedaal van de Hammond naast de Taurus. Dank voor deze leerzame video. Engels is ook behoorlijk goed!
@@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze ik denk ook niet dat de bas van de solina werd gebruikt - al valt hij bij mijn opname ook weg in de sound van de Taurus. Ik denk dat de Taurus voldoende was voor de bas - en zover ik weet gebruikte Wright de pedalen van de Hammond niet. Ik ken Neuronium niet - zal er zeker induiken!
@ ok heb je ook de Arturia pink Floyd 1 set gehoord? Daar zitten wel die glas geluidjes in. Maar klinkt natuurlijk niet zo vol als jouw vintages synths.
Definitely not the instruments used, I've known they used a VCS on this for 40 years or more, it's well documented that in "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," Pink Floyd used the EMS VCS3 synthesizer. This is confirmed in the detailed account of the song's recording process by the engineer Brian Humphries. He mentions that Rick Wright built the synth chords in Part I of the song note by note with a Hammond organ, an EMS VCS3, ARP Solina, and Minimoog. coming from the engineer who worked closely with the band on the actual recording sessions, is a slightly more reliable source than your internet based postulation.
Hi Joseph - you are fully right and I didn't explain it correctly in the video. They absolutely used the VCS and Synthi on the album. BUT: what I tried to explain is that the EMS synths were not used to create the orchestral sound of the intro - and that is a misunderstanding that is all over the place. And since I owned a Synthi A I could confirm that it absolutely wasn't part of the 'orchestral' part - as explained in the video: that is the magic combo of Hammond, Taurus and Solina. Again: sorry not being completely clear on this.
@@Joseph_Parry - ok, you could be right. As I said in the video - I have owned a EMS Synthi A (same instrument as the VCS3) - so I know the sound pretty well - by listening to the intro many many times I couldn't find a possible role for that specific sound (except sfx) - it's pretty harsh sounding instrument. But: if you say it's build into the sound - and reprocessed - it's probably quite difficult to fingerpoint the exact role/sound. I have checked an interview with Humphries about the recording session - this is what he says about in (in this interview, there are maybe other ones you are referring to): "On the finished record, Part I commences with the looped sound of wet fingers rubbing wine glass rims, originally recorded for an album titled Household Objects. Rick Wright then builds on this with a Hammond organ as well as the synth sounds of an EMS VCS3, ARP Solina and Minimoog before Dave Gilmour plays an extended G-minor blues solo on his Fender Strat." Two interesting things: he doesn't mention the Taurus - and secondly: 'builds on this..' does not have to mean that he used the VCS3 for chords but for SFX. Anyway: I can’t hear it - but it could be hidden. Agree to disagree? ;-)
@@josesvintagekeys I don’t think I can add anything substantial to this discussion (what you both said is both consistent with what I remember reading a while ago, and with what I hear in the song), besides that I remember reading that they also used some sort of glass harmonium or maybe even filled wine glasses for a few background notes somewhere in the middle of part I. Just for completeness, as you are going into the details here. Please keep up the great work! This is interesting, including the discussion and all. The more you get to the bottom of this, the more interesting it gets. :)
@@OrafuDa fully agree! The wine glasses do play a role and possibly even the Farfisa Compact - I did test with a Arturia Farfisa plug is - but for me I did not at to the ovetall sound
Hi. There’s no Hammond or Taurus pedal, and no Solina chords on the Shine On intro. And very little reverb. Lovely attempt, though, but not close. Also, the book you reference is wildly inaccurate.
well, who I am to doubt you - your live work on the kurzweils and the programming is beautiful. But...back in 1975 what else could they have used - and how about the interview with Brian Humphries engineer on the recording: Rick Wright then builds on this with a Hammond organ as well as the synth sounds of an EMS VCS3, ARP Solina and Minimoog before Dave Gilmour plays an extended G-minor blues solo on his Fender Strat. I would have no idea what they could have used - maybe besides the Farfisa compact and of course the wine glasses. But again: you have toured and recorded with the band for almost 30 years...so please help us out in this quest: how did they do it :-)
Dear @joncarin6759 you have really made me doubt my video: did I really fool almost 10k people with my analysis...and when it comes to the Solina (...where there can't be any doubt I really thought - in an interview from 2007 you say: "For example, the drone on the front of Shine On is made from tuned wine glasses mixed with Solina and Minimoog." - So could that mean: Farfisa - EMS - Solina - Wine glasses - No Hammond - No Taurus?
I think i get it: solina - but no chords on the solina!
Correct
Also, the drone was a group effort, not one person
@@joncarin6759 Farfisa in stead of hammond? Mini Moog for bass - and part of the Gmin chord? BTW: it’s great that you have put us on the right path :-)😇And never trust books and the internet in general anymore ;-) Taurus and Hammond always show up as being part of the arrangement. I will start to work on a new version - but I’m probably will never get close to the original - but at least it will be true! I stand corrected 🤥
Richard Wright. He never got the credit he deserved. RIP. He always seemed to create these beautiful but somewhat mournful atmospheres in their songs.
Very, very nice. It was definitely at least 95% there to my ears. At first I wasnt even sure if you were actually playing the record and then going to show yours or what. Great job!
that was my hope: that people would not hear that it's a cover :-)
@@josesvintagekeysI thought it was the original!
Thanks for this, magic eternal music
The audio on the laptop (the solo line in particular) sounds like a later live recording, not the original. (but I do love the subject. I was in a band and we played a lot of PF, including this piece. I resorted to sampling my Moog, string synth, etc into a big layered patch that I could play with my left hand so my right hand could play the Moog solo part)
I love how we have all grown up to be a bunch of old guys with excellent synthesizers. Just found your channel. Very nice!
When we were young we loved them - but couldn't afford them - now we can afford them --- and they keep us young :-)
Thank you for your analysis! Pink Floyd have always been one of my top groups... I started with Obscured by clouds and Meddle - and then Dark side of the moon blew me away...!
For me it started with Animals - than Wish you were here - than Dark side - we simply didn’t have the money to buy many records back then…I think Animals is still my favorite (probably because it was my first..)
@@josesvintagekeys Exactly the same order as me, for the same reason
Good work! It sounds like you got it or very close. Love the sound of the Solina.
It’s indeed a wonderful sound! JM Jarre added the phaser for his signature sound🙂🎹
so thrilled to come upon this video in my feed.............................awesome!
Yesssssssssssss! Let the magic happen. Shine on!
Making the shine on Moog sound is one of my favourite things to do with a new synth. Unsurprisingly, my Sub37 got the closest so far.
It’s a Moog :-)
same here. i finally nailed it with the mother 32 (and an external envelope). not even a software emulation of the minimoog comes close to the sound of an actual moog.
@@tru7hhimself there are quite a lot of people that think differently about that - plug ins are great - but at the end of the day they lack the intensity of a true Moog I believe
@@tru7hhimself the envelopes are a big part of it. Some machines can nail the sound but not the attack.
@danpreston564 thats what i cant nail on my model d. Something is wrong with how im setting my envelopes but cant work out what it is
There is a volume variation on notes played from minimoog.
your vintage collection is amazing
Thank you!! Rick was such an amazing and underrated synth lord.
This sounds dead on. Nice! Gives me inspiration to try this with some free VSTs.
Stringorgan preset on my Roland Alpha Juno 2 was incredible.
Very good analysis indeed.
Very beautiful work José!
You can also do Magic with all that great gear!!
Keep on Sir!!
that's really nice Ritchie - I do my best :-)
Amazing!!!!!
WOW - great work - love it 🙂
your version sounds better than the orginal , you have improved on it with yours , who cares what they used , you made it sound better
txxs for the kind support - but my goal was really to find out how it was done - I am really thankful that Jon Carin who had access to the original master recording to create the sound for PF live - shared his knowledge with us. Sunday I will share an update / part 2 video.
OK i will look forward to it@@josesvintagekeys
Another fantastic video!
txxs!!
Next do the dogs middle part. the long synth section. That one has shine on you crazy diamond vibes. but i need to see you do that one :) great video
good thought! txxs I will have a look at it
Great video! Especially the camera work! 😍
it makes the difference!
thank you for the info
Amazing! You nailed it.
Nice setup! That Roland RS 505 is one of my favorite string ensembles ever made.
It’s indeed a beautiful machine - but does the 505 beat the sound of the solina..?
@@josesvintagekeys I can’t say for sure as I don’t own a solina. It seems like the bass section alone would set it apart from a solina. I have a 505 with Tubbutec midi and it’s one of my favorite synths.
Fine job!! If you were playing that live in a band, the audience would be in awe. You would be so close, they would.... You're not playing for musicians. They be blown away! Even us musicians that play in cover bands would be blown away, Jose!
BTW, hello fellow Jupiter 8 owner. Very nice setup! That Solina sounds wonderful. I have a Crumar Performer, which isn't bad. I also have a Yamaha D85 organ that can do some pretty lush Solina type strings. Speaking of Yamaha, Sweet CS80!!
txxs for the nice compliment. Here in Holland there are quite a lot of PF cover bands - using Nords, Yamaha’s etc - using the real stuff does make the difference… but even PF used Kurzweil life… Maybe we are too much purists. Great you have a JP8 too!
Nice to see the HX3 organ; I don't remember seeing that before. I used to use one of their organs and am always surprised that they aren't more popular.
they even stopped producing this version - probably focus on producing the for other clone brands
Dankjewel voor je zorgvuldige uitleg. Voor mij wederom een bevestiging dat de solina strings ensemble wordt gebruikt in het intro. En zo mooi gelayerd met de hammond en taurus🎹🎹🎹
HI Peter - ik kreeg wel feedback van Jon Carin - al 25 jaar musical director van Pink Floyd en Roger Waters - dat er dus geen Hammond en Taurus in het origineel zitten - vandaag volgt een video waarin zijn feedback is verwerkt - er komt dus nog meer :-)
@@josesvintagekeys spannend, ben benieuwd wat dan wel
@@peter160266 : nu online :-)
Wow 😯 ❤
Moog patch would be nice to see zoomed in! Thanks.
there a quite some good demo’s on YT
Masterclass
txxs for the nice compliment!
They probably changed the speed of the tape... I think you've got it.
Closest I've ever heard to the sounds, maybe closer even than PF ever got it again.
I have only heard one live recording from that time - and there Rick Wright played the intro solo on the Mini - very nice - but different. Much later they started using poly synths (JX10, Kurzweil) and that is indeed different. I don’t think they used the combi of Taurus, Hammond and Solina live. Also because he could’nt play 3 parts at the same time..Having said that: thanks for the compliment :-)))))
Nice👍
Just discovered your Channel and love it! Please don't forget Thomas Dolby and 80s players. I love to see their rigs and sounds explained
* For the Solina, I would lean toward the first one as I don’t really hear that low side of it.
* I think the vibrato is a bit subtle. After all, it’s supposed to evoke a mournful trumpet. And, of course, that same Moog sound is heard in part 9, which is one of Rick’s finest moments.
* I know the VCS3 was more “Welcome to the Machine” (and I think as the transition out of “Have a Cigar”).
All in all, nice job from someone who was also very informed by both Pink Floyd and Vangelis as a kid =]
listen to the original again - in some parts the vibrato is pretty outspoken enough intense
@@josesvintagekeys Yeah, I can hear that. But then again, everything else is blended so well that it makes it sound subtle. It’s akin to hearing guitar tones on their own: sounds terrible in isolation yet it works in the mix, which should matter in the end =]
@@DerekPower fully agree!
Great
Aahh! That Keyboard Partners dawbar device appears to be discontinued. :( Oh well. Great video! Sounds really close.
the HX3 seems to be build into other Hammond clones / it really sounds very good
Please do more Pink Floyd & other 60s/70s rock bands.. i think there's a shortage of content on keyboards music explanation of 60s/70s music..
mmmhh - interesting idea. what kind of bands/music do you have in mind?
@@josesvintagekeys Beatles, Zeppelin, Floyd of course, King Crimson, Bowie, Genesis, Yes etc..
Even early Pink Floyd with Syd
I was forty eight seconds in before I subscribed. I would have been faster but I was making coffee.
Thanks robert - that’s really nice - I hope you stay when you see my follow up video…;-)
Hi, I was wandering about the book in this video, I tried to google it but didn't see a book exactly like that, was just wandering were we could find it or does it have a different cover in other parts of the world?
I think indeed it has different covers in different countries
@@josesvintagekeys yep, in america it has a black cover and colorful words "Pink Floyd All the Songs: The Story Behind Every Track". thanks
The Taurus isn’t coming thru on my pad speakers. Will play it later on the studio system. Nice work!
hahahaha! same on iphone - it’s simply too low. You will be really surprised in your studio!
@@josesvintagekeys I’ll make sure I’m strapped in first!
I just said the same thing out loud when the Taurus kicked in!
@@danpreston564 wooooowwww :-))
More wine glass.
agree! More wine is always good
He means that literally but also in a ‘more cowbell’ way. What you are missing, is the sound of multiple glass bowls being played in harmonics of the key of G. I think the instrument is called a Farfina or something like that. Listen to it again and you’ll hear it.
@@LysanderLH I fully agree that the wine glasses are missing - and I do mention that in the video. Farfisa is something completely different - it's a combo organ that has been used by Wright until beginning of the seventies.
@@josesvintagekeys what is the name of the keyboard instrument which has a set of scale-tuned glass bowls in it? Gilmour famously employed a street musician who played tuned wine glasses for the intro to Shine on for this reason.
I only hear the top end of the solina. I wonder if they added some phaser on top
I’ve always wondered what those little weird sounds and blips they added at the very beginning
good question - I decided to stick to what I know :-) but sfx really add to the atmosphere
great work
I created that intro sound with a Kawai K1 in the 80's.
great synth the K1
Very nice collection of synths! I have all of them myself... As VSTs 😢
the vst are great - dont break down and don’t collect dust :-)
However, the hardware synths are works of art!
@@jimbalkovec5317 that is a perfect way of saying it! Obviously it is about the unique sound - but even more about their design, historic significance and feel. Indeed: pure work of art
Very nice and thanks for sharing. Re. Jon’s corrections and so forth: I played with this a few years ago using wine glass samples triggered by a MIDI keyboard. It did not sound exactly the same but it was pretty close. It definitely convinced me that the majority of the pad sound was created with the wine glasses. It had the “feel” and the harmonic character of the original. The lower register wine glasses sounded similar to an organ while the higher register wine glasses sounded more like an orchestral string pad. I did not try the Solina but I suspect that it is a single note riding on top of everything else. (I should go back and try that now.) Anyway, the wine glass pad is very dense, and there’s really no need for the B3 at all or for the Solina to play chords (or even diads or triads), IMO. Just my 2 cents. Would love to hear feedback. This is an iconic pad and it is a fascinating subject.
Your feedback is spot on - and in my next video I will try to find out what more is needed to create the intro sound: Mini Moog for the Bass drone and Farfisa for a church organ effect on top of the wine glasses - let’s test and find out - you can expect my next video on sunday. Txxs for sharing your view on this!
Thanks! I played with it some more yesterday using the wine glass samples and a Solina software synth (I only have software synths). I’m guessing the bass is EMS Synthi (VCS3)? They used that a lot on that record. I will experiment with my Synthi softsynth as well.
Jose you’re definitely missing something, I’ve always attributed it to a VCS or whatever, but there is a faint synth drone in the background that almost sounds like someone speaking through a vocoder. Turn it up and listen again!
I will - for the 1000st time :-)
The later demo of the Salina sounds more like Gary Wrights dream weaver.
i know what you mean!
7:30 The best way is to look at it with spectrum analysis. Separate the tracks with AI if needed. One other UA-camr used an SA to debunk a myth about what The Beatles were playing one of their guitars. And found a hidden note 😮
Do you mind if I ask you why the EX5R is in such a central position on your desk? (I have an Ex5 and I love it, so Im not being a sceptic here!).
I am a fan of Yamaha and own a Motif 8 in my band - I wanted to have the Yamaha sound in my studio. It’s great; but the ‘Rompler sound’ for some reason doesnt blend with the analog stuff. So it’s kind of lonely - except as a distorted guitar in my Miami Vice cover
Hallo, another most important ingredient, the year 1974, the Gear was all analog etc etc, in the analog domain It is impossible to replicate the Spirit of one hour, of a day, of a week, a mons, a year, everytime someone try ( pink Floyd too) can be very close but not identical, that is the magic ❤
Ps! Sorry for my poor English
Your English is fine and your point even better!
Oh thank you Jose!!!@@josesvintagekeys
Ah another sound very beautifull, that ever impressed me, the keyboard intro pad under the Piano sound of the song Telegraph Road, Dire Straits , the synthesizer programmer was Ed walsh, he had work with John Lennon too, but I didn't find any information on Ed walsh and on that sound, it can be oberheim, moog and other but again the Spirit Is incredibile, and again never Dire Straits replicate that Spirit in live situation. Beautifull!!!!
My guess from 0:25 is you used Hammond, Solina and Minimoog, in that order. Was I close?
Absolutely!
Surprised there are no interviews anywhere or Pink Floyd revealing what they’ve used
this is nice: www.soundonsound.com/techniques/classic-tracks-pink-floyd-shine-you-crazy-diamond?amp
I really appreciate your work! Sounds great and absolutely convincing! Have to try that wine glass kinda things next time in the studio! What I was wondering about: Is there knowledge about how The Floyd made that intro during their long period of live performances in the following years? For example, how did they do it in Venice 1989 (stacked Roland MKS80s?) or during the PULSE tour? Despite being one of the most beautiful keyboard sounds ever made on the original album, I have to admit that I even admire it more in some live versions...
the answer: ua-cam.com/video/rsCQWpk7LSc/v-deo.htmlsi=ZEJ3X64P1CQ-bGNo. Allowed them to create a bigger orchestral sound. Kurzweil 250 before that
What is that Hammond MK3 thing? A controller for software?
it’s a Keyboard Partner HX3 - controller and clone…. discontinued
The bass was played on the Synthi, just like on Time
I discussed it with Jon Carin - he called it a ‘group effort’ - but you are right: there’s most likely a VCS part of the bass sound
your reverb in your minimoog is laaaaaaaaaaaaargeeeeeee
Fantastische video maar vanwaar is Jon Carin?
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Hi How can I get in touch with you? thank you
HI Davide - just drop me a mail at jeevers1964@gmail.com
@@josesvintagekeys sent mail ;-)
Sorry you are completely wrong.
The intro came from the record „Household Objects“ from 1973, and consist of tapeloops and no classical instruments. It is made with glass bowls, vacuum cleaner and many more.
They reproduce it for a occasion and I couldn’t believe it but it is true.
I was wrong indeed - but you are completely wrong as well :-) Check this video - it’s based on household objects - but the full arrangement is based on the feedback from Jon Carin - Musical Director of Pink Floyd - he knows the original multi tracks - so he knows Pink Floyd Music Director Jon Carin commented: No Hammond, no Taurus!
ua-cam.com/video/_NJt9-iQGSw/v-deo.html
What bass speakers do you have in your studio? I have 2x double 18" running on 12000W of MC2. I don't know how people make music without a big system. If you want to know what it's going to sound like live this is important. Use some pa speakers and some fat bass to really know what your creating. People will argue this until they are blue in the face but so be it. I also have 4x ESL 57 but to be fair not many people use this listening experience so i wouldn't use them as monitors in a studio. They certainly have no mid range punch.
I have a Genelec 7040 active Sub that makes the Taurus sing and humm!
I run 4x 15's with 1.4kw RMS amps + several 600w per ch ,in a 21 x 14 x 10 studio, thats enough to feel the bass,good for testing final mixes ,all about variety & comming up with a mix that sounds good with different setups. i agree, i dont see how people with small systems can get full mixes, that sound good on all setups. My path is headphones, ref monitors, large high wattage system, & in car listening. You just go back and forth till it sounds right. Does me.
@@josesvintagekeys nice! What’s the Hammond organ desktop unit?
Als een Pink Floyd fan hebt u een sub erbij.
Kan ik vragen welk boek het is op je desk? Pink floyd kompleet.
Super video, love the CS80 👍🏻
welkom! Het boek lijkt niet meer te koop in NL - dit is de oorspronkelijke engelse versie: Pink Floyd All The Songs The Story Behind Every Track
@@josesvintagekeys waw, ik ga eens kijken in een Engelse boekenwinkel hier in Brussel, WHSMITH, misschien hebben ze hem daar...
@@Antara755 de moeite waard en wat leuk; een Begische volger :-). Muzikant of PF fan?
@@josesvintagekeys Fan van goede muziek ;-) en ja zeker Floyd, daarna heel van filmmuziek met Vangelis, Hans Zimmer. Ik probeer nu via plugins van allerlei synths en orchestraal muziek mijn eigen creaties te maken. Soms waag ik me aan een cover, er staan enkele solos waar ik de guitar speel op mijn kanaal met backing tracks van Pink Floyd.
Is dat een foto van Michel Huygen aan de muur?
Nope, die ken ik niet :-)
@@josesvintagekeys Van de groep Neuronium. Hij heeft met Vangelis samen gespeeld in Londen en dat is op UA-cam te vinden. Overigens hoor ik geen Solina bas in Shine. Ik heb String-Ensembles sinds 1988. Misschien een pedaal van de Hammond naast de Taurus. Dank voor deze leerzame video. Engels is ook behoorlijk goed!
@@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze ik denk ook niet dat de bas van de solina werd gebruikt - al valt hij bij mijn opname ook weg in de sound van de Taurus. Ik denk dat de Taurus voldoende was voor de bas - en zover ik weet gebruikte Wright de pedalen van de Hammond niet. Ik ken Neuronium niet - zal er zeker induiken!
Michel Huygen heeft mooi cd gemaakt heb ervgenoeg nu op ssd staan al mijn synt cd bijna 700 gb
L O V E L Y
txxs!!
Ok dus geen Oberheim synth?
@@flexines nope! zeker niet.,das zeker :-)
@ ok heb je ook de Arturia pink Floyd 1 set gehoord? Daar zitten wel die glas geluidjes in. Maar klinkt natuurlijk niet zo vol als jouw vintages synths.
@ gehoord.. ik heb de wijnglazen uit t origineel - staan op UA-cam
@ wauw hebbie toevallig een link?
ua-cam.com/video/q-eh0iZOnWg/v-deo.htmlsi=6okk4fHBwofAzlMZ
Modulation is the word you’re looking for.
Definitely not the instruments used, I've known they used a VCS on this for 40 years or more, it's well documented that in "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," Pink Floyd used the EMS VCS3 synthesizer. This is confirmed in the detailed account of the song's recording process by the engineer Brian Humphries. He mentions that Rick Wright built the synth chords in Part I of the song note by note with a Hammond organ, an EMS VCS3, ARP Solina, and Minimoog. coming from the engineer who worked closely with the band on the actual recording sessions, is a slightly more reliable source than your internet based postulation.
Hi Joseph - you are fully right and I didn't explain it correctly in the video. They absolutely used the VCS and Synthi on the album. BUT: what I tried to explain is that the EMS synths were not used to create the orchestral sound of the intro - and that is a misunderstanding that is all over the place. And since I owned a Synthi A I could confirm that it absolutely wasn't part of the 'orchestral' part - as explained in the video: that is the magic combo of Hammond, Taurus and Solina. Again: sorry not being completely clear on this.
@@josesvintagekeys I disagree, it's built into chords and reprocessed but it's there
@@Joseph_Parry - ok, you could be right. As I said in the video - I have owned a EMS Synthi A (same instrument as the VCS3) - so I know the sound pretty well - by listening to the intro many many times I couldn't find a possible role for that specific sound (except sfx) - it's pretty harsh sounding instrument. But: if you say it's build into the sound - and reprocessed - it's probably quite difficult to fingerpoint the exact role/sound. I have checked an interview with Humphries about the recording session - this is what he says about in (in this interview, there are maybe other ones you are referring to): "On the finished record, Part I commences with the looped sound of wet fingers rubbing wine glass rims, originally recorded for an album titled Household Objects. Rick Wright then builds on this with a Hammond organ as well as the synth sounds of an EMS VCS3, ARP Solina and Minimoog before Dave Gilmour plays an extended G-minor blues solo on his Fender Strat." Two interesting things: he doesn't mention the Taurus - and secondly: 'builds on this..' does not have to mean that he used the VCS3 for chords but for SFX. Anyway: I can’t hear it - but it could be hidden. Agree to disagree? ;-)
@@josesvintagekeys I don’t think I can add anything substantial to this discussion (what you both said is both consistent with what I remember reading a while ago, and with what I hear in the song), besides that I remember reading that they also used some sort of glass harmonium or maybe even filled wine glasses for a few background notes somewhere in the middle of part I. Just for completeness, as you are going into the details here.
Please keep up the great work! This is interesting, including the discussion and all. The more you get to the bottom of this, the more interesting it gets. :)
@@OrafuDa fully agree! The wine glasses do play a role and possibly even the Farfisa Compact - I did test with a Arturia Farfisa plug is - but for me I did not at to the ovetall sound
Synthesizers…
mmmhh: the Solina and Hammond are no synths… therefor ‘keyboards’…