Music is CHANGING, Tone is CHANGING, Lets TALK
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2024
- Hey everyone. today is a quick video in response to my last video. A lot of people seemed to be confused or to disagree, which is fine but I just wanted to clarify somethings. Lets talk about old music up until todays music and the changes that inevitably come with it!
Instagram: / _codybarnette_
Vinyl records are still a thing. People have been saying tube amps are dead since the 90s and here we are.
Well the thing to consider is that, much like many other things, there will always be collectors, hipsters, old people etc to want an object. I think it’s socially accurate to call something “dead” when it isn’t the main constructed standard in use. Similar to vinyl, people use it but digital music is all we mainly use. I feel that digital amps will be the future.
I also think it's the "scene" or bands you're into. A lot of bigger bands today are using digital, but not everyone. A lot of the bands I listen to are still big on amps and cabs so I don't see it as dying in the same way others do. Mostly I just think it's a little sad because it's a lot less interesting when your rig is just an amp sim and the front of house speakers lol
Tube amps are dead. I have many. I don’t gig them anymore. I love playing my half stack or twin reverb in my house. I’m never carrying them on stage again
@@kylelyons6088i use a tube preamp still (friedman IRX) but I’m using a class D power amp into a 1x12, full quality tone, no digitizing, actual air moving. All on a pedal board
@@Ottophil plenty of bands still do though. Personally, the weight has never been a valid enough reason not to use them.
I imagine there might come a time when we don't even view the signal chain through the lens of emulating a classic analog signal chain.
Thank you! This is what I’m saying. I’m trying to get people to think outside of the box!
Gut strings are still used , also there is an opposite push for nostalgia with dawless recording. With every force there is an opposite reaction.
There will always be people who want to collect or experience stuff from the past but at the end of the day we all move on to the next thing
@CodyBarnette-GNARK exactly , same reason, symphony orchestras and operas and historical music reenactment in academia exist. This may one day become more of an academic matter rather than cultural centric matter.
@@MaksymLazirko exactly. I find it interesting to think about the future of music. Who knows, guitar could end up being a caveman instrument within a few life times. I’d love to make a video going into depth about something like that.
Great viceo Cody - its brave to come out with this opinion with so many die-hard tube amp fans out there with a keyboard & a myopic polarised opinion. I also love my tube amps... I also love my Helix. I think you're right. There's already a new generation of players building their sounds on some sort of digital platform, and there are so many benefits to this platform including the capture functionality. The only issue with modelers is the obsolescence and resale value - tube amps always make a smarter investment opportunity.
It will be interesting to watch how this evolves. Thanks for posting - and you have a new subscriber (#150). Best of luck!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words! I almost didn’t make this video because side I knew it would piss people off but after my last video and seeing how people talked about modelers like they’re trash, I figured it needed to be said. I never realized how divided people were on this subject until now. I figured we all agreed that the new modeling stuff was good snd impressive. My goal was to never shun my tube amps. I love my tubes amps 😂
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK I hear you. I have found that the people who don't like modelers either a) have never used one or b) have and couldnt get a good tone out of it, mostly because they need something simple to dial in (no offense intended - simple is good). I get that - each to their own. But the amount of people selling patches... its then you realise most people cant dial in a tone for themselves.
Tube amps won’t go anywhere. Gotta have an actual good tone to model all your plugins and emulations to 🤷
Okay so I love that you said this because I’ve thought about it before. Here’s the thing though. Does tone reach a point in 100 years where the “cranked tube sound” doesn’t matter anymore? Is it just effects washed over an emulation someone made years ago? There are so many options and so many things that could happen. Think about what rapper do to guitar tone in their songs. It ends up not even sounding like a guitar part
It comes down to what you're used to using. I always prefer a real amp, but I've always had real amps. That's how I'm used to hearing my signal. Plenty of kids, including some who grew up and became professional guitarists, are used to hearing their signal through some variety of modeler. Also, I heard a rumor (emphasis: rumor) that Hybrid Theory and Meteora were both done exclusively with the Line 6 pod, as in the original red bean. I wouldn't call either a landmark record /as relates to guitars/ but there's no denying they were a big formative influence for a lot of people.
been trying out modelling/ai stuff and its already pretty decent, can't wait to hear it in just a few years even
2 for 2 on the content you've released so far. Here's a sub for ya, brother. Keep killing it.
Dude thank you! I seriously appreciate you so much. It means a lot man!
Can't wait for more great, real feeling sims like some of the tonalities and the Granophyre by neural, for example. I hope more cool amps like the invective, driftwood, get justified sims. And that Neural makes the old ampsims in their catalog sound even better + better features and ir's. The future might be bright, I just hope sims keep getting better
I think how I would put the gear conversation mostly is that, you should buy the gear that you like, that makes you want to play, and hopefully enough people feel the same that it continues to be produced. Whether that's a little Boss Katana or some massive marshall stack is up to you, but if it makes you want to play or keep playing, that's probably more than good enough.
I think ultimately midi-programmable tube amps with presets for flexibility of digital modellers, with build in reactive loadboxes with IR loaders and di/reamp boxes, and ones that by goal-oriented design cooperate well with all sorts of digital simulations and effects hooked up to the effects loop (or maybe some new interfaces yet to become a thing that will make things even more flexible and easily controllable! Maybe with a digital controller that can allow for rearranging the signal chain inside the analogue amp somehow, allow for more than one channel to be engaged at the same time, and so on), not just simulations of already existing physical stuff but ones creating completely new stuff from outside the analogue realm (imagine a digital distortion that simulates the sound of other instruments, instead of using special midi pickups and synthesizers) and so on. I think this is gonna be the future. Both analogue and digital blending together in order to open new pathways and possibilities.
Call I haven’t thought about it things have gotten so advanced compared to the last 5 to 10 years. I imagine it will triple in speed in the next 10 years because of all the advancements we have right here and right now
Much of that was done, Mesa TriAxis, various loop switching systems, centrally controlled by a programmable midi footswitch.
It worked fine but was still alot to manage, one weak or loose cable takes down the rig. As good as the sound was, modern modelers can match it and offer improvements such as less noise, more consistency, easier to control, etc.
It's hard to beat a modeler. The amp in a room sound/feel is a seperate issue, just run the modeler thru the effects loop return of a tube amp if you desire that.
I grew up playing tube amps (though I started with a pretty crappy solid state amp first) but I use plugins now for 99% of my guitar playing because it is just so much more convenient. Plus, the range of tones you can get with something like Helix Native is insane. I love my classic Marshall JTM-45, I will never sell it, but my Helix does it all and it’s right on my laptop.
As someone who has owned (and sold amps) as well as owning a quad cortex that I love to death, the only thing I fear about modelers is having to constantly upgrade and buying another modeler as if I'm buying another laptop or phone since it would be considered outdated if i don't buy another. At least with most (not all) tube amps, you can always do the maintenance on the amp and it'll last you 20+ years and it'll sound exactly the same. The 6505 and 5150 amps have been around for 20-30+ years and are still killing it on the tour and recording scene. There will always be plugins but then you run into the issue of having to spend extra money to upgrade your computer, speakers, etc. I feel like this isn't talked about enough with modelers and plugins. The Fractal axe-fx is already on its third version, will the same be applied to other modeler units? Because if so then it may not be as much of a benefit and investment as people make it out to be. My quad cortex was 1500 when i bought it (got a demo from sweetwater). If i have to upgrade it a few times within the next couple of decades, it might cost me more than having to spend money on a amp. And to resell those modeler units, it'll be much tougher to sell and get the most value off of compared to real amps.
You know what, that’s a valid point that I hadn’t thought of before. Honestly though, let’s look at gear now. Amps are usually made to last. The guitar community when it comes to pedals has never really been known to sell us hunk of junk that give you updates that slow down your devices. I myself want to hoard all the tube amps and tubes I can get but I feel there’s no need to in the long run because it will be second nature to use digital stuff after our time is over.
I've been a tube amp guy for a long time now, but I've always been interested in modelling - I had the original Line 6 Pod and have tried every plugin under the sun - but nothing ever compared to a real amp.
I was very skeptical, but I bought an Axe FX III to see what was up and I haven't touched my tube amps since. The fact that it has hundreds of amps, cabs and effects in it is one thing, but the fact that you can tweak every parameter (preamp/power tubes, capacitors, sag, negative feedback, tonestack, master volume location, etc.) takes it to a whole other level. Since it also functions as an interface it could literally replace every piece of gear I own.
I'm keeping my beloved tube amps, but digital is going to just keep getting better and I'm here for it.
See this is why I’m so fixated on this topic. So many people are changing over to digital platforms now. There’s nothing wrong with liking tube amp AND digital. I’m happy to hear you’re enjoying your setup man! Thanks for commenting 🤙🏻
See this is why I’m so fixated on this topic. So many people are changing over to digital platforms now. There’s nothing wrong with liking tube amp AND digital. I’m happy to hear you’re enjoying your setup man! Thanks for commenting 🤙🏻
Touring Bass Player here. Back When I started, I bought an Ashdown amp and a 410 and 115 cab. Sounded great. Soon I realized that its way to big for most vanues. So I started to down size. Smaler Amp, lighter Caps. (Class D Amp and a MarkBass 410, which I can Carry arround myself.)
That beeing said, I uograded to a QC and its the best sound ever. Every soundguy this far was absolute happy with it. Basicly I need my Bass, a Sansamo or preamp of some kind and a In-Ear Rig. Works every time, from a small club show to bigger festivals.
i love to hear that man! i have a very large 1970s peavy bass rig myself. the quad cortex seems to be most peoples go to unit these days, along with the line 6 stuff. I dont see why everyone has such a bug problem with them
I like a mix of things. I have a Laney LA Studio that has a built in two notes torpedo. I also use a Mother Preamp by Science amps with the two notes Dyna IR and Poweramp sim. Collector//Emitter a famous pedal demoer and artist uses Two Notes with his Rootbeer 18w all the time.
Even the boss IR-200 is amazing, The Pedal Zone uses it all the time. I still mic my Marshall 2525C Silver Jubilee as well. It all ends to the same result.
All I’m trying to say is, these days it doesn’t matter what you do, just do what you want and find your own way, every way is good right now.
I actually didn’t know the Laney stuff had the captor in it. That’s super cool. I’d love to get one on the channel!
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK It’s specifically the Laney LA Studio that has it, although the Lionheart can act as an interface and reamp unit! The LA Studio (mini Superlead also used by Tony Iommi) is a beast of an amp, it does nice warm cleans, and has this great drive when pushed. I’d love it if you reviewed as I believe more people should know about it.
I believe that in the future amp sims and multi-effects will be built into the guitars, like in Mooer GTRS, but it will be much more common. Keyboard players are just plugging their instruments into the mixers, so why guitarists don't?
That’s a great observation! One that I didn’t even think of! On top of that will guitar even be what we know the sound as now, in the future? Speaking of keyboards, think about how there are synths and other sounds used from keyboards. This things don’t sound like Piano but we all know them to be one. Maybe guitar could be like that as well!
I record with amp sims a lot, but I do still have a Peavey Bandit 112 to play in my room, or if for whatever reason I need to play a gig. It's loud enough for small venues, or it can be mic'd up/ has a line out with a cab sim for larger venues. A good solid state combo can get you pretty much whatever you need. It's not as portable as a floor unit or a lunchbox head, but it can handle any situation, where the others can't if there's no mixer or cab to plug into.
I e actually played one of those myself! Those thing are old school. Peavey is a blast from the past man! You know man, I do the same thing. It’s much easier to use amp sims to record demos and get stuff done for UA-cam that way. No one has ever commented and said the tone sucked so I guess I did alright with it 🤷🏼♂️
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK Yeah I got one of the modern Bandits, but I hear the older ones are killer. And all of the guitars and bass on my version of Metallica's album St. Anger were all recorded direct and I used amp sims. over 300k views, not one person has said anything like "the guitar tones sound too digital" or whatever. If anyone talks about the tones, they're complimenting them. They're all played with cheap guitars through cheap amp sims so it's not as important as people like to think. 😅
You rock brother. Agree with everything you said. Times are changing as they always have been. We’re lucky we live in this age where so many things have been “invented”. We have gotten to experience tube amps, solid state amps, cabs, digital sims, IRs, and all the fun stuff in between. Price is a big factor yes. And as a tube amp builder, I wish I could build them for less so I could sell them for less. But it’s a harsh reality right now. I imagine we are going to see more hybrid stuff in the next 5/10 years than ever before. Whether it’s tube preamps with digital power amps or some other config. Many people want smaller and lighter and easier and less money. So whatever gets us there, we will probably see more of. Meanwhile the old school stuff will still be around for people that prefer it. But it’s not getting any cheaper anytime soon. Maybe someday… here’s hoping 🤞
That’s exactly what I’m trying to say! Times change, music changes, everything changes eventually! The stubborn people will be left in the dust 🤷🏼♂️
I absolutely love the convenience of digital, and I would say 75% of the time that’s what I’m using.
I’m just a basement player, but I write music and plug-ins are just so insanely easy to dial in (and quiet).
BUT, that other 25%, I’m playing my big dumb tube amps.
That’s when I’m writing, and getting in the creative state of mind, they’re just so much more inspiring.
I figure someday I’ll split the difference and get an Axe Fx or QC or something, but for now it’s:
Tube amps - creative process, playing for pleasure.
Plug-ins - recording, mixing, tracking.
I have a Fractal and a bunch of tube amps and I use them both and am glad to have the option. I think I’ll alway enjoy both
It all comes down to the experience. How do you, as an artist, want your fans to experience your music? For me, it depends on the venue. For small clubs and dives…amps and cabs all day long. For music halls and theaters, I’m gonna go for the AxeFx. It doesn’t matter what you use as long as your art reaches out to people.
Exactly. That’s actually what I said in my last video! Small clubs are a very personable experience. Cans and amps are the way to go. It’s just when it comes to newer guitarists and touring guitarists, it makes the most sense to be compacts and budget yourself properly. Lord knows it impossible to make money off music these days…
I'm 53 and I play thru plug ins and frfr. I still like amps tube amps don't have one now but have had all types in past
I remembered seeing Trivium live and was thinking their sound was fucking awesome. Then Cannibal corpse went on stage and that tone blew me away and made want to buy a duel rectifier instead of paying my bills
Dude, I’m jealous. I’ve always wanted to see cannibal corpse live, but I can never catch them. my first real all tube amp was a triple rectifier. I remember going to the guys house and plugging into it, I immediately fell in love. He saw how much I like it and dropped the price down to 750$! Such a great deal
I saw a band with a guitarist using a laptop DI ed through the front of the house. The tone sucked, and the sound didn't cut through the drums. I will probably always use a head and cab.
We show up with one rack and plug it straight into the sound board. We play to pre-designed Reaper tracks that run our lights, guitars, synths, vocal effects, atmospherics, in-ears, everything. Setup and sound check takes 5 minutes. There is no dialing amps, fussing with cabs, breaking tubes, fiddling with cables. Nothing. Just plug and rock. I can't see how I could ever go back to lugging a half stack and pedal board around.
The convenience is good yeah, but digital doesn't convince me in tone and feel
What all have you used?
Right on man. I like your thinking. Digital equipment is providing access for more people to make music. Less space & weight for travel. Record anywhere. There should be less restrictions to making music and art. Amps are cool. Music is better.
Thank you so much! Couldn’t have said it better myself man!
There are many advantages to modeling. It’s only when somebody says it actually sounds as good that I call BS.
Personally I think there will always be a place and a market for tube amps. Modeling is fantastic and I use it for most of my home recordings simply because I’m not stuck with my tone once it’s recorded. I’ve been using modeling since the Line 6 POD days of 2004-2005 so the fact that you can now depend on that live is crazy. You can’t beat the convenience of hauling a small modeling unit vs an amp.
That said, I think the people who are convinced that amps are soon to be dead technology aren’t considering the full picture. It seems like a bunch of bedroom players who either haven’t played through a proper tube amp or haven’t been able to open the amp up to a good volume, and gigging musicians who are happy to sacrifice their actual preference if it means some weight savings. I see gigging artists talking about how happy the sound guy is, never about the stage experience or the fans experience. Modeling is great if you’re already using in-ears or the venues have great monitoring on stage, and if the venue is set up properly to deliver your sound via PA, or if your priority is to please the soundguy and save your back.
As an artist, monitors don’t offer the same experience as standing in front of your amp, in-ear or otherwise. As a fan, most venues, even the large/high-tech ones, aren’t set up in a way that delivers a good listening experience to the first few rows…they’re standing under/next to the line array and the sound is going right past them. With amps on stage, these people (typically the most enthusiastic fans of a band who came to see a live performance) might miss out on vocals, but they get to hear the band in its most raw, real form…straight out of the amps/straight off the stage…like they’re in the room with them. With all the sound going to FOH, they hear the drums, and the rest is often an underwhelming mess…like listening to the artist on Spotify with earmuffs on.
Basically…I see people who were born into technology and have always embraced it discounting the tried and true options they’ve never given a chance.
As someone who loves/sees the benefit in both options, it just looks like people who don’t have enough actual experience to form an informed opinion screaming about the death of the amp into an echo chamber that confirms their biases. It’s hilarious.
Sounds like you know what you’re talking about and you know what you like. I agree monitors don’t hit as hard as a cab but the thing is, if people are recording and releasing songs and making music for the world. It doesn’t matter what the tone is in that 4x12, what matters is how it translates to the world on phones, air pods, car speakers, jbl speakers ETC. So it honestly just depends on what your intent is. I want to put a guide together that can help newer guitarists out. I hate seeing people that haven’t been down all the music paths in life yet get delayed because they don’t have the correct information they need. Thanks for commenting I appreciate you man 🤙🏻
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK for recording, I couldn’t agree more. Sure, lugging an amp sucks, but treating a room and micing a cab just to end up unhappy with the sound you chose when you started recording sucks more lol. Modeling is getting better at a CRAZY pace so I could see amps getting less and less popular, but I think that’s going to take a LONG time. For me, even then, the happy middle would be modeling>a good cabinet on stage. More for the audience than myself, honestly.
Being front row at a show where everything except the drums are going direct is a let down, and not to get too existential here, but…there’s something that just feels kinda scrubbed and sterile about seeing a couple guitarists and a bassist on stage that are all plugged into the PA that’s sending the sound right over your head.
But man…all for what you’re doing! Spread the word…modeler vs. amp debate aside, I’m 100% for anything that encourages people to pick up an instrument and not put it down! 🤘🏼
I'm playing my DigiTech 2120 into the effects return of a JCM 900 with a Suhr Reactive Load/ I.R. Get Off My Lawn.
As a newer guitarist -- I will probably never buy a real high quality amp unless I get some extra $$. I saved up for a quad cortex and it does me wonders. I plug in to my bass presets at band practice and switch over to my guitar presets which use like 7+ amps. I couldn't imagine owning all of these $2-3k amp heads on their own alongside 2-3 different cabs. That would be nuts!
You sir, are the exact person I’m talking about! A newer guitarist in today’s economy are struggling. I’m very lucky I bought the stuff I have for the price I did when I could. If I had just started getting into gear in the year 2024 I would be doing exactly what you’re doing. Thanks for watching!
@@CodyBarnette-GNARKyou hit me right between the eyes! Great content brother
@@jasonknoll5170 means the world to hear that man. Seriously it does. Hope to hear from you again brother 🤙🏻
Which is greater,
Spending time in music stores,
Or tattoo shops ?
Definitely not using heavy ass tube amp heads will 100% save me back problems later on in life 😆
i've tried to play digital plugins after tube amp and the sound was like shit made from sand. Also i heard the latency which was not cool at all. Maybe i need a pricey high level modeler like kemper or ax fx but they costs and i dont't think that they will be sound better(but of course it will be easier to record)
Latency in amp sims can very easily be fixed by adjusting buffer size, or by putting your DAW on “run as administrator”. There are a bunch of different factors but even with a real tube amp there is technically latency especially when running through pedal chains. If you bought a higher end modeler you’d still have to know he or o adjust the parameters so you get the best out of your tone.
I started with a crappy 10W solid state practice amp. Then I got a Peavey Bandit (also solid state). Then I got a Fender Twin, and now I have a Mesa/Boogie Mark VII. I’ve tried every amp sim/modeler I can, and I’ve heard many more. The modelers are infinitely better than the practice amp I started with. But when you compare them to the Peavey Bandit, you have already started sacrificing tone for convenience. What are these modelers modeling? Tube amps. Modeling definitely has its place, but the tone quality is nowhere near what you get from a tube amp. So the short answer is, tube amps will continue to exist, until modelers are actually as good. And after 20+ years since the old Line 6 Pod, they still aren’t. Especially for distorted/high gain tones, they sound terrible compared to a tube amp. They are used by big names, for convenience and because of endorsement deals. But anybody who says they’re as good is lying. Good enough? That’s a different question. What is the point where convenience outweighs quality, when price is not an issue? Well, that could be Metallica touring with Fractal instead of shipping fragile amps all over the place. But they legitimately sound like a**. It’s really sad.
To me, the Mark VII is the future. It has everything you need to go direct and silent, built in. For home recording use, it’s the clear king right now. Once you talk about gigging, it’s a simple question of weight and fragility. Fly dates may still call for modelers.
So, bottom line, tube amps are still always better when you can use them, but modeling helps for convenience and portability. And that will continue to be the case until modeling improves.
Tube amps have been a serious investment for serious musicians since solid state amps came out. So I don’t think the tube amp market will change that much. It’s the lower end solid state/practice amp market that is totally changed by cheap amp sims.
i've been playing guitar for a little over 20 years and you're right. as recently as 10 years ago i was booing anyone who used any solid state equipment and was chasing down the biggest and most expensive mesa heads and oversized cabs i could find. Nowadays I have a line6 helix through a 2x12 cab if i need it and DI out for when I don't. my rig costs less than half of what it used to, i'm no longer carrying a big ass heavy head and 4x12 oversized cab to venues, and i have instant access to just about any tone I can imagine. do i still prefer the sound of a good tube amp? sure, do i prefer it enough to drop $2k+ more than I spent on my helix? absolutely not. I don't think tube amps will ever completely go the way of the do-do, but they need to evolve, come down in price, or offer something substantial that floor units can't for them to not end up in the same boat gibson is currently where their only customers are rich old dudes that care about the name on a piece of gear more than they care about how well it was actually made.
Funny, because Gibson and Fender still completely outsell every other brand by a wide margin. There must be a massive number of “old rich dudes” out there. What I can’t understand is spending $1500+ on a modeler. Why not just use a plugin that costs maybe $100? That’s the thing that seems like somebody with too much money on their hands.
@@vaportrails7943 as someone who is actually out in the scene and playing shows with local and international acts, I can say while I’ve seen a few fenders, I’ve never seen any newer artists playing a Gibson guitar. But that’s also why I didn’t mention fender, and specifically Gibson. Which by the way isn’t even what this post is about so I digress. I don’t use plugins because I don’t want to have to rely on a laptop at each of our shows, I do use plugins in our recordings sometimes but for a lot of material it’s my helix straight into an interface. Also it was 550 when I bought it I’m not sure where you got 1500 that sounds more like a quad cortex which if you’ve never used, you should try it. Absolutely stunning piece of equipment especially if you’re also a gigging musician and use IEMs. But anyway yeah I have several patches, one for the band I play guitar it which has different patches for each song even set up, usually with just different modular effects, and then the other band I play bass in.
I’m sorry if I upset you for saying something about your favorite guitar brand, I used to love Gibson guitars when I was a kid but they’ve fallen off in terms of quality and value for money. Brands like Ernie ball, strandberg (I think I spelled that right), keisel, etc are capturing way more of the younger demographic which is important. Are there a lot of boomers (not meant in a derogatory way) that are still keeping gibsons lights on? Sure but there no denying that specifically in gibsons QC department they’ve been lacking in more recent years. There’s countless UA-cam videos, articles and anecdotes about this very thing and it sucks because Gibson used to be on the cutting edge of quality and innovation but they just keep riding the same 4 or 5 guitar models and the older generations just gobble them up haha.
@@vaportrails7943 the reason people buy modelers is because if they aren’t looking to record on a computer, or maybe they don’t even have one. A computer is like 700-1000 for a decent used asus and finding a pluggin might to 1 out of 3 that they like so around 1000-1300 for a computer set up. Also maybe they just want to jam out on a 1x12 or a 4x12 that they have with the modeler. Honestly I’d trust a quads cortex live over my laptop live anyway. I know how often computer can crash under a long load
I haven't touched my physical amp head in like 3 years at this point. Even when I show up to a gig I just throw my laptop at the sound guy and it's been wonderful.
How you avoid latency?
@@aestheticwolf7769 use an audio interface
@@aestheticwolf7769 better computer/better interface/better OS (Linux)
Never ever play a tube head again. I did what you are doing several years ago then I pulled out my amp and haven’t gone back digital since. So if you like what you are getting don’t try a tube amp. I can’t go back to digital. Sucks because I got paid the same no matter what I brought.
Half stack go brrrr.
I will play what sound I like not what is popular god dammit can we just get over this and detrend everybody's thought pattern.
Brother I’m not sure why you’re upset. No one is telling you, you can’t play what you want to play.
I have a 6505 II and a fractal FM9 with a Powerstage into my cabs. The FM9 just sits there cuz my 6505 II sounds better. The FM9 was also more expensive, plus the Powerstage on top of that.
Hey thanks for commenting. So I see what you’re saying. These topics aren’t a matter of what sounds best or what sounds worse. It’s a matter of what a the future of guitar can/will be. For newer guitarists all the way up to touring the world musicians, it becomes a matter of convenience because at the end of the day the audience isn’t worried about the minor details of your tone. Very few will notice or even care. I’ve never tried any fractal stuff but I’ve always been told most people don’t prefer them because she of artifacting in the tone.
So lets be specific. What % of heads are tube, what are some historical #s, and what is your prediction they will be?
I’m not sure I understand your question. Can you elaborate
"Tube amps and boutique tube amps are dying". "They're already being used so much less by new guitarists and by guitarists touring the world." What does this mean? What % of sales are they and what was it in the past? What do you think it will be in 5 years?
@@michaeltrosenfeld thanks for replying I was very curious. So what I mean by they’re already being used so much less is tube amps are heavy, so are cabs, they can be expensive to lug around for touring musicians because air lines and gas prices are very high when traveling with weight. In my personal opinion I think In 5 years we will be in a similar spot we’re at now until the time comes that someone invents the next big thing. As far as what that might be, I really can’t say. As far as guitar goes…how much farther can we really push it until it’s just not a guitar anymore…scary but it’s reality
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK again now you're saying "they're already being used so much less"...HOW much less? Were 75% of amp heads tube 10 years ago, and now it's 70%? 50% 10%? How much of a drop has already happened?
@@michaeltrosenfeld I have no idea. I’d have to find the sales from every amp company from 1960-2024 then average the difference from the top year and lowest from a certain period. The facts and evidence point directly at companies who would’ve never made a change had they not need to (Marshall and fender) fender has the mustang and the new floor unit they just released. With a wide majority of newer guitarists outside of the metal community showing that they aren’t interested in tube amps I think these things prove enough to make an obvious statement without doing mesa boogies tax reports to give a percentage out lol
I play guitar for ove 20 years and I don't care about tube amps at all. After I got my Bluguitar Amp1 I got rid of all my tube amps, except of one I like to use in our rehearsal space and in the studio.
Well let me ask you this. Do you still go out and play or do you just not have the spot for a tube because I feel like if you’ve been playing for 20 years you would prefer a tube amp
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK I toured the EU with my band last October. The Bluguitar Amp1 is a full analog lightweight 100w amp and sounds better than most tube amps. Only tube amp I still own is a prototype Laney AOR I use for recording and in our rehearsal room.
@@rk28984 hell yeah! I’ve never toured with a floor unit of any kind besides my pedalboard, amp and cab. Love to hear it works for you! Never tried the blu stuff 🤔
I think tube amps will go into a handwired niche market just like vintage or custom shop aged guitars. The whole market has to adjust down with the rarity of tubes that obviously is not rectifying itself with finding other sources. I just like the fact there is lighter, smaller solid state stuff that at least sounds good enough without too much complexity. What specifically will go away is big cabinets and heads as smaller compact units have been out for years that are easier to move and sound good and have direct out for recording and live. Thats the game changer, no micing a cab or needing all that onstage or in studio volume.
That’s a good point about the tubes. I forgot about tubes being very rare these days
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Hopefully this means cheaper used little tube amps.
Most likely not. People switching to modeler would make tube amps more of a boutique item, and therefore more expensive.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK I was thinking maybe the used market would loosen up.
Let them change. Im not changing. Zero f**** given.
So if you got no problem with being loud, still going with sims? They still make tubes, even you could learn to handwire one. But yea no more sub 1k lunchboxes, they're going to be either bespoke, or just expensive af. But yea, you probably isn't the authority on this.... But you hold a common point of view. Were hoping you're wrong rite?
As I stated in both videos, which I’m guessing you didn’t watch all the way through, I do prefer my tube amps over digital. Amp sims are cool to though.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARKnah i got over halfway you hadn’t said non just imply some, i mean ’ai is gonna make all music in the future’ yea sure there exists some that prefer sims
I made 2 videos and linked the first one to this one. I doubt you watched both lol.
i did not i will not watch both, and also pressed " do not recommend this channel "@@CodyBarnette-GNARK
I think this video is rambling.
That’s sort of what a conversation boils down to just a bunch of rambling on about random stuff. Also, I edited this video to talk about points from a previous video so that people who watched the previous video, had some answers to questions
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK OH! That makes a lot more sense. I didn't see the previous video so I was just sort of scratching my head. Honestly I lived the JCM head/cab combo life for a long time and I'm so sick of it. It's just a glorified monitor and nobody has money for that crap anymore anyway.
@@CatalystOfFire I know it’s even hard to buy used these days 😢
Valve amps wont go away. They'll just end up like vynl is now. A pointless curiosity for posers.
I have two small tube amps (20 watt and 15 watt, started with small modelling amps, then went to tube and ive just gone bigger and bigger since haha) and really I can never let go of them. The joy i get from switching on my far-too-large-for-bedroom amp stack and play my guitar through it it just makes me want to play more. I hope to never go digital as im just a bedroom player who records some parts for my own music :)
See you’re the rare breed these days who is a bedroom player but also prefers the tubes amps! More power to you man!