...and wrote the entire Trek history completely wrong. Kirk being accurate? Kirk is NOT stupid to explain over communication when the Romulans can hear. So no they didn't get kirk right You go along and call me a racist sexes and hater of Nutrek
The actor that played Sam Kirk would have been a better James T. Kirk in terms of looks. Chris Pine wise... This Kirk looks like Jim Carrey or Bruce Campbell.
@@bookerdewitt3854 genius! Let's get Bruce to play an older Kirk. He already has the Shatner bravado, machismo and other "o" words. Where's that retired network executive when you need him!
Romulan Officer: Sensors do not detect any life signs, minimal shielding and weapons. I can only confirm large empty areas which look like they are dedicated to carry minerals or cargo... Praetor: So the Federation has the technology to mask their vessels' true tactical capabilities... Impressive.
Making them look like simple mining vessels... Uhhh i think they are- Don't be stupid! Why would anyone jump into a fight with a mining fleet? Are they EvE players?
@@squattingheads Romulans are so fearful of AI they only allow computers to be used for math. So Romulans have a sensor tech staring at a screen watching raw data and trying to interpret it like a WWII Sonar Technician. So when dealing with ships they hadn't seen before , they wouldn't know much beyond it's location and size until they had hours to analyze the data.
kirk will not keep ortega or riley kirk will have sulu and chekov replace them. he will keep spock and uhura. he will have mccoy replace mbenga scotty is there so no replacing there. :D
@@Godsjudgement12 True, but a good commander knows how important the group dynamic is and has to put together a team that can work together. You can have a great leadership team and be an incompetent and maybe nobody can tell you are incompetent, or you can be a great leader and have an incompetent team which is, I think, more of what you are referring to. Or a mix if both which is usually the case. But a good leader will fix his team, or replace the people who aren't able to get the job done. A weak leader will ignore the team and let it go to hell.
Would of been the perfect way to end the series and allow the actors to salvage what is left of their acting careers. Sadly, Paramount dumped all of their funding to continue STN (and ONLY STN) for the next several series, but forgot to hire any writers to replace the ones they lost...
Kirk: The Romulans don’t know what our ships look like. Romulans: Sensors show no weapons, minimal shields, large cargo containers containing trace amounts of unrefined metals… I suspect these are mining ships. Kirk: … Have you ever heard of Corbonite?
Romulan sensors may not be as advanced as Federation. They traditionally pour resources into cloaking systems, Starfleet invested heavily in sensors instead.
@@mattwho81 Romulans: Uh shucks commander. These sensors can’t tell if those ships have void spaces for bulk cargo or not. And with my crappy training and these readings… I might be looking at a luxury cruise ship with 4 star suites. There’s just no way to know. Damn you 100 years of isolation! How’s a Romulan supposed to tell a Starship from a mining vessel? Commander: … Have you tried comparing the readings of those ships to the obviously Starfleet ship? I swear, some force in the Galaxy makes the crew dumber at crucial times in events Secret Hideout: Nyyyahahaha!
@@mattwho81 Yes, and yet, the Enterprise had seconds of warning before those ships dropped out of warp. It seems no-one here has decent long range sensors. At lease link your systems to the nearby listening post sensors!
I assume the Romulans are deliberately doing this to provoke a fight and claim "oh sure, we were in the Neutral Zone, but we weren't in Federation Space." or some such nonsense. They clearly wanted a fight and didn't care if they were in the wrong. They just wanted to see how the Federation would respond to their aggression and Pike didn't.
Technically, you could be standing a foot away from someone and be on different sides of the neutral zone: You could draw a plane down the center of it, and as long as you two were on opposite sides of it each of you would be on/in your respective side of the zone.
I love how everyone is like Duhh just scan them and you'll see the ruse, but never consider that they might think that the fact they look like mining vessels could also be a ruse. Since who the hell would jump an entire fleet of civilian fleet to challenge a true armada. Also the romulans arent looking to go to war, they just want some good cold war style old saber rattling.
Romulans are so fearful of AI they dont allow computers to be used for anything but mathematics. So it takes them hours to manually analyze their sensor data for anything beyond location and size
@@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457 They can? I thought only cloaks could do that. I know some ships were made out of some materials that block or reflect scans, but not with shields alone.
When you are paranoid and under the impression that you are facing off against a "weak" opponent, it makes it far easier to bluff with a bunch of remote control empty boxes..... as long as you have a BUNCH of remote control boxes that is.
Loved this episode and I love the reference to Scotty and I hope that Scotty becomes the Enterprise's new chief engineer in Strange New Worlds Season 2!
@@garyscott4847 Like they did with Ariam on Discovery a different actress played her in the first season and then they created a new character for her on Discovery while someone else played Ariam in the second season.
This episode was a case study in leadership styles. Pike is a press for peace, proceed from a position of deference and understanding type. Kirk is assume the worst intentions of the other guy, play your strengths and bluff your way out of it kind of guy. Pike is driven by his desire to avoid unnecessary confrontations and loss of life; Kirk accepts that the role of captain comes with risk of loss and more than few bloody noses over time. Pike is desperate to keep people from harm; Kirk is keen on achieving the objective with minimal loss of life.
Did you notice that some elements from 'Balance of Terror' were mirrored? The bride and groom's positions, the bride was killed not the groom. Also Erica and Jenna's positions on the bridge were reversed. Finally the boy's name Maat, is ancient Egyptian for the proper order of things or the way things should be, and older Pike shows up as younger Pike tries to warn Maat off from the future accident.
Pike is sorta Picard-ish. Strong diplomat, average tactician. Kirk was the captain the federation needed to lay the hurt on the Romulans, and Klingons.
@@firstname9954 I’ve seen the series many times. He made countless blunders as a “wartime” captain. I could list them if you wish… but it will be time consuming lol.
@@firstname9954 Because he knew his weakness. (Never said he wasn’t smart). Lol. He knew he needed to bring some power to a potential fight and that he wasn’t up to it. Jellico, Kirk, or even Riker would have handled it themselves. How about when he blowed the Enterprise up 17 times in a row, in a time loop, because he kept choosing Datas solution over Rikers? Lol. Or when he ignored Guinean, AND Q, and screwed with the Borg. OR, when he had a chance to kill the Borg, he flinched, and simply tried to make them singular? Or when he sided with the Cardassians rather than Maxwell, even though Maxwell was clearly correct - possibly foreshadowing the Dominican War.. OR, when he turned against his own people, and tried to entrap the Marquee, over the aforementioned Cardasians, and was bested by Ro? I mean. Promote this guy already, and get him out of the seat. Lol. Make him a diplomat.
For those wondering why the Romulans couldn't tell they weren't warships. Romulans are so fearful of AI that their computers are limited to just numerical computations. In other words their sensors are operated manually and you literally have a Romulan staring at a screen , trying to decipher the raw data coming back from a ship they know nothing about. So when scanning a new type of ship , the Romulan sensor tech spends hours manually calibrating and interpreting the data ...something a Star Fleet computer could do in milliseconds. So while their sensors record everything , they have a habit of just identifying the location of a ship and bringing the data back home to be studied for a more detailed analysis. So at some point they do figure out that those ships had no crew, no weapons and that Kirk is one devious bastard.
That's idiotic. If that were the case, the Romulans would be so far behind the rest of the galaxy technologically that they wouldn't be able to challenge anyone. But I've long since given up expecting anything intelligent from Nutrek.
@@joeswanson733 in every field but computers the Romulans have better technology. Even their computers are as good as Star Fleets but their self imposed limitations prevent them from being used for anything but math. They also have extremely well trained crew.
Man, I'm so happy that Star Trek: Discovery's Season 2 was the bootstrap and jumpstart we needed for Pike's own adventure in Strange New Worlds. _Stand on top the shoulders of Giants. _*_Teamwork makes the Dream work._*
The scene was quite absurd but I like the Kirk`s speech regarding of Romulans not knowing how modern Federation ships look like, even though that`s absurd as well
The idea that these two great powers would just mutually ghost each other for 100 years is kinda laughable. No listening posts, no intercepted signals, no ship sightings, no illicit trade… it makes no sense.
Pike was appropriate before Hitler, Kirk after. Similar to Churchill and Chamberlain. Having a skill in situation A does not always translate to situation B.
Don’t think about it too much. No Trek ship is realistic when it comes to shuttles and all of the storage and maintenance space they’d require. For the space available the Constitution class realistically has room for exactly one shuttle.
Sure is lucky for our side that the Romulan sensors are on the fritz, otherwise they might have noticed the complete lack of life forms and weapon systems on the freighters.
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons less range, positioned to give virtually no coverage. Fewer of them. Lower output and smaller heat sinks… A weapon has to optimised because it’s use is life and death. A mining laser is a tool, and with careful use it’s life can be extended. But to the Romulans, they just have to compare their sensor data of Enterprises weapons to the Mining ships. Pretty sure there is a big gulf in capability.
A nitpick I have: The Federation routinely broadcasts news, entertainment, etc. throughout space. Certainly some of these broadcast would reach Roman territory eventually and be monitored. In all that time the ships have never appeared once in the news story or some other broadcast?
Forget the matches, the French crowd was the MVP of the night. There needs to be a Slammy for best crowd. They made what was basically a juiced up Smackdown into a phenomenal presentation . bien cuit 🇫🇷
This part right here: 4:16 Wholesome moment - Kirk repaying Pike for reminding him about lecturing him on his ship while Kirk's was destroyed. Respect baby 💪
That sounds almost like our Chief Engineer from the original Star Trek series. Only this is a scenario in which Captain Kirk is NOT in command of the Enterprise, still Captain Pike remains... Parts of the the season 1 finale came from the original episode: "Balance of Terror."
This was pretty much the best Episode of Nu-Trek up to that point. What would have sent it into the stratosphere would be to have this Romulan played by James Frain, who plays Spock's dad in Discovery and SNW. In the original TOS episode, Mark Leonard played the Romulan Commander, who of course also played Spock's dad.
I feel like SNW is kind of doing a character reconstruction on Kirk. They're cutting through the decades of accrued pop culture stereotypes (and his characterization in the Kelvinverse movies) to restore him to the characterization that he had on TOS: brave, romantic, and a genius for improvising tactics at the last minute.
To get it in a TV scale. Otherwise it would be size of a pixel per ship and to see the other side of the boarder you would need to go to the neighboring town
But it´s cheap. Isn´t it intersting how we don´t get to really see all of those ships, just unlike in DS9 where they actually showed the individual ships that fleets were comprised of. I still don´t really know how these Romulan ships look like, I don´t even know how Kirk´s ship in that timeline really looked like. Of course I could stop playback and get a blurry image of some shitty cgi rendering but there are online games with better graphics.
There is a point here about the ships being dangerously close to each other in formation... in the vastness of space. In the same plane. True DS9 did it to some degree too.
@@Cyberbeagle1000 This is a CBS thing; it's been a thing since TOS. They want the audience to see as many of the ships as possible, which is why you rarely ever see ships in Star Trek operate along the Z Axis. In fact I think the only time we really see that is in Wrath of Khan. Also remember that a lot of these writers have no actual combat experience nor knowledge of contemporary military weapons systems and don't understand what "standoff' and "BVR" weapons are. It honestly would have made much more sense to deploy those drone ships at extreme distances and have them scattered in specific formations rather than having them push up against each other like that, to make the Romulans work harder to understand the threat that they were facing. But again, terrible writers make for terrible shows.
Funny how all these ships jump basically into the same space with no issues then there are other times they have issues jumping in behind something as big as a moon or even into a solar system without near crashing into a planet.
Slight problem with that example... They are jumping next to other ships with near negligible gravity... Not into a sloar system or near a planet... And ain't the first time this sort of thing happens in star trek, even of this period in time... I understand your point for planets, but all these ships would barely have enough mass to even create enough gravity to even nudge a dead fly
This is the problem with the new star trek. Every situation is solved with thousands of ships suddenly appearing. And how exactly did Kirk reprogram thousands of mining drones to suddenly act like a military armada? Did the Romulan's sensors all stop working? Were they unable to SEE that they were mining drones? This is called lazy, bullshit writing. "Oh yeah... well I have an army too so there!"
I wouldnt want to work in starfleet, youll be 2nd in command but you still have to do the repairs yourself, do boarding assaults incase you need to, and even scouting mission and be the first boot on the ground. This looks like an overworked underpaid environment.
I assume the Romulans are deliberately doing this to provoke a fight and claim "oh sure, we were in the Neutral Zone, but we weren't in Federation Space." or some such nonsense. They clearly wanted a fight and didn't care if they were in the wrong. They just wanted to see how the Federation would respond to their aggression and Pike didn't.
@@RokkitGrrl Yes. Civilian and military vessels look drastically different because they're built for very different purposes. I would look at these ships, note how different they look from the warship already known and pull the thread, revealing the entire poor charade they're trying to pull.
It would be ironic if this fleet became the reason for the Romulans perceiving the Federation as "such easy targets." Although the mining craft are abundant, they were slow, inadequately armed, and poorly shielded in the eyes of the Romulans. They were clearly overpowered by the Romulan Birds of Prey, as demonstrated by the fleet's swift decimation at the Neutral Zone. Given this situation, it is understandable why an imperial power like the Romulan Star Empire might consider declaring war. From their perspective, the UFP appeared feeble and technologically inferior.
but who is to say that the mining fleet isn't a bunch of unmanned drones/combat UAVs that are slaved together to fight with AI systems? The Romulans didn't know much about our tech yet.
Uhura: All robotic mining crafts? Kirk: Mining, hauling, not one of them manned. But to the Romulans, who is to say we aren't a Federation Armada Praetor: You know I can hear you, right?
I love this Federation where it is so vast that captains operate like the Age of Sail, communication is slow and being out on the edge means something. On the other hand I am a bit tired of the trend that Enterprise started that everyone is more technologically advanced than the Federation. TNG gave us a Starfleet who exploration ships were on par with the warships of its neighbors. SNW/Discovery gives us a Federation that is contending with opponents left and right that are its superior.
2:46 that Romulan reminds me of Tasha Yar. I know it can't be her because of the timeline, but still. But maybe she's played by Denise Crosby? Anyone knows? Would be an easter egg if it was her😁
In Balance of Terror, the Praetor is male because Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander character says to Decius "Perhaps we can yet save your Praetor's pride for him". Now here the Praetor is female.
I will say this to you: "there is no such thing as an unarmed spacecraft", and remember that while they're indeed robotic mining and hauling ship all of them at least possess shield and phases, along probably with photon torpedoes (albeit much weaker than true starfleet ship) since all of them is warp-capable, phaser have wide range of usage others than for combat and photon torpedoes will be useful to crack open asteroid. And even if they don't have anything above their impulse drive and warp core can be weaponized/rigged to explode as last resort since they're basically nuclear fusion and matter-antimatter annihilation reactors.
@@robertfousch2703 Actually no. They always seemed to be sublight in TOS. But in the animated series there were warp shuttles. My assumption always was that some shuttles had warp capabilities but they weren't particularly fast.
@@sunspot42 Depends on the shuttle. Some were sublight, but could have 'warp sleds' attached to let them go FTL (the shuttle Spock uses to get to the Enterprise in ST:TMP, for example), some did have small warp drives built in, but as said they were slow, limited to about warp 2 or 3 (and that in TOS scaling). This is kinda why the Runabout was created...shuttle-sized, but 'fully' warp capable.
Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Technically a spin off of Discovery, but it is almost completely independent from it and easy to watch without seeing Discovery. It does a lot to put Star Trek back on its traditional path and flavor, but still keep updated graphics and new feeling to it.
Anyone else notice that this is what someone who cheated on theri Kobiyashi Maru would do? They wrote Kirk pretty accurately IMHO
...and wrote the entire Trek history completely wrong.
Kirk being accurate? Kirk is NOT stupid to explain over communication when the Romulans can hear.
So no they didn't get kirk right
You go along and call me a racist sexes and hater of Nutrek
@@ahsenkhan5386 Uhura explained Kirk was on a secure channel.
Clearly someone doesn't understand how BCC works in emails
The actor that played Sam Kirk would have been a better James T. Kirk in terms of looks. Chris Pine wise... This Kirk looks like Jim Carrey or Bruce Campbell.
@@bookerdewitt3854 genius! Let's get Bruce to play an older Kirk. He already has the Shatner bravado, machismo and other "o" words. Where's that retired network executive when you need him!
The decoy "BATTLE FLEET" is so James T. Kirk it is perfect. Also the quiet pride and admiration of Pike. Strange New World is amazing.
Smells like corbomite!
He doesn't like to lose.
Romulan Officer: Sensors do not detect any life signs, minimal shielding and weapons. I can only confirm large empty areas which look like they are dedicated to carry minerals or cargo...
Praetor: So the Federation has the technology to mask their vessels' true tactical capabilities... Impressive.
Hahaha. Being paranoid is sometimes troublesome.
When the writers don’t know/understand their material
Making them look like simple mining vessels...
Uhhh i think they are-
Don't be stupid! Why would anyone jump into a fight with a mining fleet?
Are they EvE players?
awful writing
@@squattingheads Romulans are so fearful of AI they only allow computers to be used for math.
So Romulans have a sensor tech staring at a screen watching raw data and trying to interpret it like a WWII Sonar Technician.
So when dealing with ships they hadn't seen before , they wouldn't know much beyond it's location and size until they had hours to analyze the data.
You have to appreciate that when Kirk takes command of Enterprise, his command staff is already stacked.
Why would you say that, to denigrate the character? The best team led by an incompetent leader is only as good as the incompetent leader.
kirk will not keep ortega or riley
kirk will have sulu and chekov replace them.
he will keep spock and uhura.
he will have mccoy replace mbenga
scotty is there so no replacing there.
:D
This episode plays in a separate timeline...
a good commander is only as good as his staff and subordinate officers...trust me from experience...
@@Godsjudgement12 True, but a good commander knows how important the group dynamic is and has to put together a team that can work together. You can have a great leadership team and be an incompetent and maybe nobody can tell you are incompetent, or you can be a great leader and have an incompetent team which is, I think, more of what you are referring to. Or a mix if both which is usually the case. But a good leader will fix his team, or replace the people who aren't able to get the job done. A weak leader will ignore the team and let it go to hell.
Kirk: "Can I borrow a shuttle?"
*fucking leaves and never comes back and the series ends*
Would of been the perfect way to end the series and allow the actors to salvage what is left of their acting careers.
Sadly, Paramount dumped all of their funding to continue STN (and ONLY STN) for the next several series, but forgot to hire any writers to replace the ones they lost...
Kirk: The Romulans don’t know what our ships look like.
Romulans: Sensors show no weapons, minimal shields, large cargo containers containing trace amounts of unrefined metals… I suspect these are mining ships.
Kirk: … Have you ever heard of Corbonite?
Corbomite
Romulan sensors may not be as advanced as Federation. They traditionally pour resources into cloaking systems, Starfleet invested heavily in sensors instead.
@@mattwho81 Romulans: Uh shucks commander. These sensors can’t tell if those ships have void spaces for bulk cargo or not. And with my crappy training and these readings… I might be looking at a luxury cruise ship with 4 star suites. There’s just no way to know. Damn you 100 years of isolation! How’s a Romulan supposed to tell a Starship from a mining vessel?
Commander: … Have you tried comparing the readings of those ships to the obviously Starfleet ship? I swear, some force in the Galaxy makes the crew dumber at crucial times in events
Secret Hideout: Nyyyahahaha!
THEREFORE DESTROYING THE ATTACKER !
@@mattwho81 Yes, and yet, the Enterprise had seconds of warning before those ships dropped out of warp. It seems no-one here has decent long range sensors. At lease link your systems to the nearby listening post sensors!
“We’re holding to our side of the neutral zone, as you are”. Well, the neutral zone sure has shrunk. It’s supposed to be light-years in diameter.
Perhaps it increases after this incident.
@@lukea7688 Seemingly with good reason
I assume the Romulans are deliberately doing this to provoke a fight and claim "oh sure, we were in the Neutral Zone, but we weren't in Federation Space." or some such nonsense. They clearly wanted a fight and didn't care if they were in the wrong. They just wanted to see how the Federation would respond to their aggression and Pike didn't.
Technically, you could be standing a foot away from someone and be on different sides of the neutral zone: You could draw a plane down the center of it, and as long as you two were on opposite sides of it each of you would be on/in your respective side of the zone.
@@bubbledoubletrouble If I remember correctly, The Neutral Zone is an area, not a line. It's like the Korean DMZ
Romulan Commander... In another time, another place... I would have called you friend.
I love how everyone is like Duhh just scan them and you'll see the ruse, but never consider that they might think that the fact they look like mining vessels could also be a ruse. Since who the hell would jump an entire fleet of civilian fleet to challenge a true armada. Also the romulans arent looking to go to war, they just want some good cold war style old saber rattling.
The romulans literally declared war....
LOL they were looking for ANY excuse to start a war. That's why they blew the Romulan captain who didn't out of the sky.
Romulans are so fearful of AI they dont allow computers to be used for anything but mathematics.
So it takes them hours to manually analyze their sensor data for anything beyond location and size
There's also the fact that shields are known to at least block scans to a certain degree.
@@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457 They can? I thought only cloaks could do that. I know some ships were made out of some materials that block or reflect scans, but not with shields alone.
When you are paranoid and under the impression that you are facing off against a "weak" opponent, it makes it far easier to bluff with a bunch of remote control empty boxes..... as long as you have a BUNCH of remote control boxes that is.
"You know, I don't like her."
Really fighting a smile right now.
Loved this episode and I love the reference to Scotty and I hope that Scotty becomes the Enterprise's new chief engineer in Strange New Worlds Season 2!
I'm afraid not. They are bringing in a new engineer for season 2 but not Scotty.
@@garyscott4847 I figured they wouldn’t bring him in yet. It sucks that they killed off Hema so quickly though, I liked him.
@@jadeblatz They indicated that the actor who played Hemmer will be brought back in another role.
@@garyscott4847 Like they did with Ariam on Discovery a different actress played her in the first season and then they created a new character for her on Discovery while someone else played Ariam in the second season.
Yay.. more abominations
"You sneaky son of a bitch!"
that was hilarious😂
careful now people may feel bad with a B word in trek minus all the F bombs in Discovery and Picard
Kirk was really well written as the contrasting captain. For Pike, jaw jaw. For Kirk- feint or attack.
This episode was a case study in leadership styles. Pike is a press for peace, proceed from a position of deference and understanding type. Kirk is assume the worst intentions of the other guy, play your strengths and bluff your way out of it kind of guy. Pike is driven by his desire to avoid unnecessary confrontations and loss of life; Kirk accepts that the role of captain comes with risk of loss and more than few bloody noses over time. Pike is desperate to keep people from harm; Kirk is keen on achieving the objective with minimal loss of life.
Did you notice that some elements from 'Balance of Terror' were mirrored? The bride and groom's positions, the bride was killed not the groom. Also Erica and Jenna's positions on the bridge were reversed. Finally the boy's name Maat, is ancient Egyptian for the proper order of things or the way things should be, and older Pike shows up as younger Pike tries to warn Maat off from the future accident.
Pike is sorta Picard-ish. Strong diplomat, average tactician. Kirk was the captain the federation needed to lay the hurt on the Romulans, and Klingons.
@@firstname9954 Fairly average.
@@firstname9954 I’ve seen the series many times. He made countless blunders as a “wartime” captain. I could list them if you wish… but it will be time consuming lol.
@@firstname9954 He fudged up a lot in the “skirmishes.”
@@firstname9954 Use your term “skirmishes” then. He messed up a lot. It’s pretty clear in the show. Lol.
@@firstname9954 Because he knew his weakness. (Never said he wasn’t smart). Lol. He knew he needed to bring some power to a potential fight and that he wasn’t up to it. Jellico, Kirk, or even Riker would have handled it themselves.
How about when he blowed the Enterprise up 17 times in a row, in a time loop, because he kept choosing Datas solution over Rikers? Lol. Or when he ignored Guinean, AND Q, and screwed with the Borg. OR, when he had a chance to kill the Borg, he flinched, and simply tried to make them singular? Or when he sided with the Cardassians rather than Maxwell, even though Maxwell was clearly correct - possibly foreshadowing the Dominican War.. OR, when he turned against his own people, and tried to entrap the Marquee, over the aforementioned Cardasians, and was bested by Ro?
I mean. Promote this guy already, and get him out of the seat. Lol. Make him a diplomat.
The strategy is dubbed 草木皆兵 “grass and trees will be your troops” in Japanese Chinese and Korean
Makes so much sense. I haven’t seen the show, just scenes like this, but seems like that Trek back on track, at least in some fashion.
One of the very points in this episode that they portray Kirk correctly. He always found a way improving the odds for complete success of the mission.
I Love the nod to the character of Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy with Scotty's comment of "I'm an engineer, not a medical worker Mr Spock".
"Miracle worker", as Scotty was known for being. However, even he, as he so aptly put once, "canna change the laws of physics."
For those wondering why the Romulans couldn't tell they weren't warships.
Romulans are so fearful of AI that their computers are limited to just numerical computations.
In other words their sensors are operated manually and you literally have a Romulan staring at a screen , trying to decipher the raw data coming back from a ship they know nothing about.
So when scanning a new type of ship , the Romulan sensor tech spends hours manually calibrating and interpreting the data ...something a Star Fleet computer could do in milliseconds.
So while their sensors record everything , they have a habit of just identifying the location of a ship and bringing the data back home to be studied for a more detailed analysis.
So at some point they do figure out that those ships had no crew, no weapons and that Kirk is one devious bastard.
That's idiotic. If that were the case, the Romulans would be so far behind the rest of the galaxy technologically that they wouldn't be able to challenge anyone. But I've long since given up expecting anything intelligent from Nutrek.
kind of makes you wonder.. how are the romulans even a threat to the federatio nagain with technology tha antiquated lol
@@joeswanson733 in every field but computers the Romulans have better technology.
Even their computers are as good as Star Fleets but their self imposed limitations prevent them from being used for anything but math.
They also have extremely well trained crew.
@@glennchartrand5411
seems like starfleet ships are better built for all purpose missions from what we've seen so far
source?
Man, I'm so happy that Star Trek: Discovery's Season 2 was the bootstrap and jumpstart we needed for Pike's own adventure in Strange New Worlds.
_Stand on top the shoulders of Giants. _*_Teamwork makes the Dream work._*
Kirk: Don't get us in a fight...
Pike: prepare phases
The scene was quite absurd but I like the Kirk`s speech regarding of Romulans not knowing how modern Federation ships look like, even though that`s absurd as well
"absurdic"? is that some sort of inside StarTrek joke?
They don't though, its a point brought up in other material.
The idea that these two great powers would just mutually ghost each other for 100 years is kinda laughable. No listening posts, no intercepted signals, no ship sightings, no illicit trade… it makes no sense.
@@HawkGTboy yep, absurd, as I said. I don`t remember exactly why I said I liked it. Probably I meant their pathetic attempt to be creative.
@@descendinguniverse Star Trek is all _about_ realistic absurdity. It's planets of hats, everywhere!
"I, too, tire of endless war" sounds like they patched mark Leonard's voice in.
The ships are warp capable.. so remote control ramming speed
😂
That’s what i thought was going to happen.
This isn't Star Wars.
@@mikevanroy9356 similar technology can do similar job. but technically ramming look much more effective than dog fight
@@jetli740 Yeah, I would have warped those sons of bitches right into the fleet. There’s weakness for ya.
"I am an engineer, not a medical worker Mr. Spock!" Hilarious detail, love it!
He said "...not a miracle worker, Mr. Spock."
@@ApolloXL5 Oh well.
@@JohnRR but different
Pike would try an negotiate peace with Adolf Hitler. Kirk would would order to keep firing until every Nazi was dead. NOW we have peace Lol
That was the point of the episode, so good analogy. You cant defeat intolerance through civility.
Do you have brain damage?
@@brucesnow7125 I cannot tolerate your idiocy.
Pike was appropriate before Hitler, Kirk after. Similar to Churchill and Chamberlain.
Having a skill in situation A does not always translate to situation B.
Was that Scotty!
Yes, I believe so in a voice- over role.
Yes it was... He is on the Enterprise already...
The actor portraying James Kirk looks like Jim Carrey pretending to be Kirk from In Living Color. Am I the only one seeing this?
Kirk: ALL RIGHTY THEN!
0:32 That's a big shuttle when you compare it against the secondary hull that contains a cavernous engineering section.
Don’t think about it too much. No Trek ship is realistic when it comes to shuttles and all of the storage and maintenance space they’d require. For the space available the Constitution class realistically has room for exactly one shuttle.
If you think that’s weird then watch voyager lol
The Kirk and Pike, 2 completely different characters, both portrayed perfectly.
"Human. I am here to accept your unconditional surrender"
"Nice to meet you too"
Nyotas face: DAFUQ
2:45
Sure is lucky for our side that the Romulan sensors are on the fritz, otherwise they might have noticed the complete lack of life forms and weapon systems on the freighters.
Tell me the difference between a mining laser and a weapon.
if it's unmanned it doesn't mean its harmless
We already have unmanned aerial vehicles that are capable of leveling a city block.
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons less range, positioned to give virtually no coverage. Fewer of them. Lower output and smaller heat sinks…
A weapon has to optimised because it’s use is life and death. A mining laser is a tool, and with careful use it’s life can be extended.
But to the Romulans, they just have to compare their sensor data of Enterprises weapons to the Mining ships. Pretty sure there is a big gulf in capability.
@@captainbroady If it's _unarmed_ it does.
Kirk reminds me of a young Jim Carrey on Living Color.
Ahhh Scottie is back
Simply fantastic!
WAS THAT SCOTTY I HEARD?!?
Yes
A nitpick I have:
The Federation routinely broadcasts news, entertainment, etc. throughout space. Certainly some of these broadcast would reach Roman territory eventually and be monitored. In all that time the ships have never appeared once in the news story or some other broadcast?
This was great !
Kirk is a genius.
Romulans sensors don't think so...
Forget the matches, the French crowd was the MVP of the night. There needs to be a Slammy for best crowd. They made what was basically a juiced up Smackdown into a phenomenal presentation . bien cuit 🇫🇷
This part right here: 4:16
Wholesome moment - Kirk repaying Pike for reminding him about lecturing him on his ship while Kirk's was destroyed. Respect baby 💪
I love it that they put Scotty into this scene. I’m an engineer not a medical worker
''I'm an engineer , not a MIracle worker''.
Christ, Scottish accents aren't that hard to decipher. How can there be this many quote comments screwing that up?
@@Kiljaedenas He might be missing the fact that Scotty referred to himself as a miracle worker in Voyage Home.
4:09 Pike be like “I choose you as my successor.”
That sounds almost like our Chief Engineer from the original Star Trek series.
Only this is a scenario in which Captain Kirk is NOT in command of the Enterprise, still Captain Pike remains...
Parts of the the season 1 finale came from the original episode: "Balance of Terror."
It is supposed to be Scotty , but he sounds armenian.
Third best part of the episode. Behind Pike in the TWOK uniform and Sam's discussion with Pike about the Kirk people care about xD
This was pretty much the best Episode of Nu-Trek up to that point. What would have sent it into the stratosphere would be to have this Romulan played by James Frain, who plays Spock's dad in Discovery and SNW.
In the original TOS episode, Mark Leonard played the Romulan Commander, who of course also played Spock's dad.
Yeah!! They did!! Star Trek is BACK BABE!!!!!
Its hard to take this Capt Kirk seriously when he looks like Jim Carrey
It's like they chose someone who looks like Chris pine instead of William Shatner
@@J.Wolf90 he looks more like James Cawley than Chris Pine.
He looks nothing like Jim Carrey
I really like those Romulan uniforms!
I feel like SNW is kind of doing a character reconstruction on Kirk. They're cutting through the decades of accrued pop culture stereotypes (and his characterization in the Kelvinverse movies) to restore him to the characterization that he had on TOS: brave, romantic, and a genius for improvising tactics at the last minute.
The distance is way too close for 2 space armada gunning at each others. When they open fire, the devastation will come quick and brutal.
So, the famous neutral zone between Federation and Romulans is... what, 3, 4, 5 km wide?
To get it in a TV scale. Otherwise it would be size of a pixel per ship and to see the other side of the boarder you would need to go to the neighboring town
Roughly a light year across; this episode got that wrong
No mater what happens the iconians are going to be pissed with the romulans and blow there sun up everytime
You mean the Hobus star.
They really got to stop the overly excessive copying and pasting of ship geometry into a scene. It makes no sense for ship to bunch up like that.
But it´s cheap. Isn´t it intersting how we don´t get to really see all of those ships, just unlike in DS9 where they actually showed the individual ships that fleets were comprised of. I still don´t really know how these Romulan ships look like, I don´t even know how Kirk´s ship in that timeline really looked like. Of course I could stop playback and get a blurry image of some shitty cgi rendering but there are online games with better graphics.
There is a point here about the ships being dangerously close to each other in formation... in the vastness of space. In the same plane. True DS9 did it to some degree too.
@@Cyberbeagle1000 This is a CBS thing; it's been a thing since TOS. They want the audience to see as many of the ships as possible, which is why you rarely ever see ships in Star Trek operate along the Z Axis. In fact I think the only time we really see that is in Wrath of Khan. Also remember that a lot of these writers have no actual combat experience nor knowledge of contemporary military weapons systems and don't understand what "standoff' and "BVR" weapons are.
It honestly would have made much more sense to deploy those drone ships at extreme distances and have them scattered in specific formations rather than having them push up against each other like that, to make the Romulans work harder to understand the threat that they were facing. But again, terrible writers make for terrible shows.
Funny how all these ships jump basically into the same space with no issues then there are other times they have issues jumping in behind something as big as a moon or even into a solar system without near crashing into a planet.
rule for cool was always important in SciFi.
Slight problem with that example... They are jumping next to other ships with near negligible gravity... Not into a sloar system or near a planet... And ain't the first time this sort of thing happens in star trek, even of this period in time... I understand your point for planets, but all these ships would barely have enough mass to even create enough gravity to even nudge a dead fly
I think i recognise the prator actress from andromeda. Season 5 blone actress brandy something.
Brandy Leyford? She played Doyle. This actor is Carolyn Scott. Not seeing any Andromeda in her acting credits.
@@dice_for_death yes your correct i was mistaken i looked it up myself afterwards, i did recognize the actress but from something else not andromeda,
This is the problem with the new star trek. Every situation is solved with thousands of ships suddenly appearing. And how exactly did Kirk reprogram thousands of mining drones to suddenly act like a military armada? Did the Romulan's sensors all stop working? Were they unable to SEE that they were mining drones? This is called lazy, bullshit writing. "Oh yeah... well I have an army too so there!"
pretty sure he dont need to program it manually, we have similar technology with swarm drone already so ai assist it just as simple as command it
kirk is a miracle worker.
So all Pike has to do is retire after the training incident and make sure Kirk gets the command. Problem solved.
No matter what Pike does, Spock will inevitably get his fate.
DAMMIT JIM!!! IMMA DOCTOR NOT A DAMN MIRACLE WORKER!!!
Young Kirk hadn't dreamed up his corbomite maneuver just yet.
I wouldnt want to work in starfleet, youll be 2nd in command but you still have to do the repairs yourself, do boarding assaults incase you need to, and even scouting mission and be the first boot on the ground. This looks like an overworked underpaid environment.
but 2nd in command is the last step for the captain chair.
That is how work is now. Do You even work?
User name checks out.
@@trowawayacc Really, i havent heared a navy captain doing the assault themselves, they have marines for that. Does your brain even work?
Oh lord.... the neutral zone isn’t a line, it’s an effing ZONE, literally light years across.
Different timeline.
@@Arthus850 no it isnt.
I assume the Romulans are deliberately doing this to provoke a fight and claim "oh sure, we were in the Neutral Zone, but we weren't in Federation Space." or some such nonsense. They clearly wanted a fight and didn't care if they were in the wrong. They just wanted to see how the Federation would respond to their aggression and Pike didn't.
Well, about one light year across.
Does no Romulan ask why the Enterprise looks different to all other ships?
@@liamloxley1222
It has the same winged appearance as all the others.
Enterprise is the only saucer and nacelles ship in its fleet.
@@DomWeasel Would you care what you enemy ships looked like if you were convinced that they posed no threat and you had no respect for your enemy?
@@RokkitGrrl
Yes.
Civilian and military vessels look drastically different because they're built for very different purposes. I would look at these ships, note how different they look from the warship already known and pull the thread, revealing the entire poor charade they're trying to pull.
Admittedly, their flagship looked different from the rest of their fleet too.
I thing i see a winged defender in the romulan fleet
Nice of paramount to bring out the ole Fasa fleet if that's the case.
I heard Scotty.. I'm en Engineer not a miracle worker Mr Spock...
They did this same scene in "Picard ".
It would be ironic if this fleet became the reason for the Romulans perceiving the Federation as "such easy targets." Although the mining craft are abundant, they were slow, inadequately armed, and poorly shielded in the eyes of the Romulans. They were clearly overpowered by the Romulan Birds of Prey, as demonstrated by the fleet's swift decimation at the Neutral Zone. Given this situation, it is understandable why an imperial power like the Romulan Star Empire might consider declaring war. From their perspective, the UFP appeared feeble and technologically inferior.
but Kirk they know how our cruiser looks like, they are seeing it right now
but who is to say that the mining fleet isn't a bunch of unmanned drones/combat UAVs that are slaved together to fight with AI systems? The Romulans didn't know much about our tech yet.
The Romulans would take one scan of the Star Fleet "armada" and know they have no weapons.
or wonder how the Federation was hiding their weapons. Why else would all these ships show up if they werent warships?
So is this where Riker got his maneouvre in Picard?
Uhura: All robotic mining crafts?
Kirk: Mining, hauling, not one of them manned. But to the Romulans, who is to say we aren't a Federation Armada
Praetor: You know I can hear you, right?
Not with a secured channel.
I love this Federation where it is so vast that captains operate like the Age of Sail, communication is slow and being out on the edge means something.
On the other hand I am a bit tired of the trend that Enterprise started that everyone is more technologically advanced than the Federation. TNG gave us a Starfleet who exploration ships were on par with the warships of its neighbors. SNW/Discovery gives us a Federation that is contending with opponents left and right that are its superior.
That is how time works, yes.
@@starhound45 And in STNG the Enterprise was able to have real time communication with Admirals back at Starfleet.
@@limemobber Life on a 56k dialup modem versus life on even the low end of a broadband connection was quite the jump in communication capacity
When do shuttles have warp capabilities?
Ok......as someone whos avoided modern Trek like the plague I'll admit
You have my Attention.
I'm a TNG/DS9 Era fan. I just started watching Strange New Worlds and I'm actually impressed. You might like it.
I wonder if Riker use this trick again when he took command of Zheng He
If they are on their own side of the neutral zone, how are the surrounded?
That is such a kirk move lol
They could have warped all the mining crafts at the Romulans. It would have vaporized their fleet.
Haven’t both sides always scanned each other ships for weaponary capabilities?
this caption Kirk reminds me of Jim Carrey
Should have sent them in as fire ships like Francis Drake.
The Praetor looks like Carrie Ann Moss
2:46 that Romulan reminds me of Tasha Yar.
I know it can't be her because of the timeline, but still.
But maybe she's played by Denise Crosby? Anyone knows?
Would be an easter egg if it was her😁
In Balance of Terror, the Praetor is male because Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander character says to Decius "Perhaps we can yet save your Praetor's pride for him". Now here the Praetor is female.
Ahhhh I had not noticed. Except when I saw it was a woman praetor.
They dont know what a federation battleship looks like.
Scotty sounds like Paul McGillion from Star Gate Atlantis. Maybe it’s him?
The voice was provided by an actor named Matthew Wolf.
the romulans would probably be able to scan their energy signature and see that they are unarmed.
I will say this to you: "there is no such thing as an unarmed spacecraft", and remember that while they're indeed robotic mining and hauling ship all of them at least possess shield and phases, along probably with photon torpedoes (albeit much weaker than true starfleet ship) since all of them is warp-capable, phaser have wide range of usage others than for combat and photon torpedoes will be useful to crack open asteroid. And even if they don't have anything above their impulse drive and warp core can be weaponized/rigged to explode as last resort since they're basically nuclear fusion and matter-antimatter annihilation reactors.
Shuttles didn't have warp back then, did they???
They have Warp Nacelles so they should be able to reach Warp.
They had warp, but not replicators, so their endurance was based on how many supplies they could carry.
Multiple examples of them at warp in TOS
@@robertfousch2703 Actually no. They always seemed to be sublight in TOS. But in the animated series there were warp shuttles. My assumption always was that some shuttles had warp capabilities but they weren't particularly fast.
@@sunspot42 Depends on the shuttle. Some were sublight, but could have 'warp sleds' attached to let them go FTL (the shuttle Spock uses to get to the Enterprise in ST:TMP, for example), some did have small warp drives built in, but as said they were slow, limited to about warp 2 or 3 (and that in TOS scaling). This is kinda why the Runabout was created...shuttle-sized, but 'fully' warp capable.
Is this just a worse version of Picards Tomalok Feint? Kinda feels like it.
two massive powers set up their borders and agreed to treaties and border rules. yet neither even knows what each other or their ships looks like.
Kirk looks like Jim bloody Carey not James T Kirk!
Hey that was Scotty's arm! 0:56
Wait is the Romulan commander the same actor as the lead thermian in galaxy quest??
0:53 omg, its Scotty
The plot hole coupd have been closed with some reference to a dampening field or nebula radiation or some shite
I assume if the romulans point out those are drone civilian ships, filled with rocks. Pike can counter that they good rams.
Yeah, they're drone ships- and unlike you pointears, we don't need to kidnap telepaths to run them.
1 minute to comply, yet it's more than one minute and nothing happen
What is this show? How have i never even heard of this before?
Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Technically a spin off of Discovery, but it is almost completely independent from it and easy to watch without seeing Discovery. It does a lot to put Star Trek back on its traditional path and flavor, but still keep updated graphics and new feeling to it.
the coldest moment