I agree. That was a nice twist on the usual trope where you have to take a chance for peace. So Pike tried for peace but ended up starting a war. Kirk wanted to end it quick and could have prevented a war.
@@jonfreeman9682 leads me to believe if pike captained the enterprise for another 5 year mission pike would probably have been killed by the first episode where they go to the galactic barrier and a member of the crew become a demi god.
@@admiralbob77 More to the point Gary wouldn't have been holding his girlfriend's hand while trying to pilot the ship and no one would have gotten zapped.
Ya I agree. Ive wondered about why I think that as well. Would I have though the same thing if they appeared on the Motion Picture? Or is it tied to the affection for and success of TWOK? Is it just the uniform or is it the film the uniform is associated with?
@@thetruthchannel349 I think the main reason people love them isn't just because of TWOK. It's because that uniform stuck around for every film after it. Also, let's face it, when you compare them to the uniforms from The Motion Picture....pretty much anything would be an improvement. Personally i like the maroon uniforms, but still, they are far from my favorite. The early DS9/Voyager uniforms are my favorite. Especially the DS9 version which was basically the voyager uniforms, but with the TNG comm badges. I like Trek uniforms where you can see from a distance who is who. You can see who is the science officer, or tactical, or engineering, etc just from the colors alone. It's why i don't like the grey shouldered uniforms from late DS9/First Contact onwards. Was fine in close ups, but yeah, give me the colors. For me the maroon uniforms have the same problem as the grey shoulders, but the worst in my opinion are still the uniforms from Enterprise or the first few seasons of Discovery. From a distance, i've no real way of knowing what each person's job is. I understand this is purely a nitpick, and i do like the maroon uniforms, they just aren't on my list of favorites, even though they were the uniform in some amazing films (and some not so amazing ones) so i think it's more complicated than just "which film they appeared in" everyone has preferences based on totally subjective opinions. Personally i think that's fine.
Anson Mount does a great job playing an older version of Pike. The way he changes his voice, his mannerisms, etc. This is also a nice reversal of Voyager’s ending. Instead of an older version of the captain traveling back in time to change history, this one is trying to restore history. Also, a great callback to Yesterday’s Enterprise.
Paramount are missing a trick if they don't give this guy some big screen action as pike. He is clearly top drawer and leading man territory. Anson Mount seriously has gravitas.
*Ya he has the physical profile. The only problem with him is a hint of insincerity. It follows him through every scene like a ravenous vulture eating his delivery up as soon as its made. If he could work around that. Its just a handful of subtle expressions that detract from the sincerity of his character. A good director might could help him around it but it would still be difficult to break him of it without his becoming to self-conscious of his very expression.*
I'd love it if we got a movie in the Red Uniform era I grew up watching the original franchise film them uniforms are nostalgic for me watching pike in a movie of his own would be amazing done right im sure the timeline can be semi fixed 😂 shit tbh I would mind seeing a kelvin timeline version of the uniform on the big screen 😅
Even though the time line is restored in this episode, it clearly establishes that Pike's future and fate CAN be changed. He isn't immortal until that accident, and that raises the stakes of every adventure.
Personally, when the Klingon stated "You're fate will be sealed. There will be no escaping it" that meant while it "can" occur with or without him, it will occur as planned but the cost will be greater (as it will fall upon the shoulders of someone close to him)
@@danielanderson8322 Correct. If the alternatives are worse than the original outcome, I'd keep my destiny the same also. Of course, it'd make it less stressful for Pike if he knew he'd ultimately get a happy ending living with the Talosians but I digress lol.
I like how they put this episode together making you think that something is going to happen to Kirk and that is what has such a strong negative effect on the timeline. Then when you see Spock with the lethal injuries, you see how important Spock is not just in that time period, but even into the far future we see in Discovery where the Romulans and Vulcans have reunited and it was Spock who had started that in motion.
I love seeing that future Pike is dressed in the uniform introduced in ST-II: Wrath of Khan and used in the movies till ST-VI and the beginning of ST-VII, IMO that is the best Star Fleet uniform out of all of them.
Exactly. It's like the original but with captain Pike and like how they brought in Captain Kirk and try to workout peace with the Romulans. Now this is classic Star Trek. Like the time travel paradox of trying to change the future and the twist where sometimes you can't avoid war. Brilliant.
@@DavidOakesMusic Well Picard isn't that bad. Dunno about second season. First season was ok but there were a lot of filler episodes. With a little bit of fast forwarding it's not too bad.
This episode gives me renewed (not that I needed it) respect for "Balance of Terror"! Kirk was definitely at the right place at the right time in the original time line!
It really shows that different people are needed in star fleet. While pike may be the best neogotiator in the fleet sometimes you don't need to neogotiate, you need to be aggressive and fight like Kirk
Brilliant episode and always love the time travel paradox of changing the future. Also a nice callback to bring in Captain Kirk and working together to defeat Romulans. The best episode and perfect way to cap the season.
Those eyes the Admiral was displaying, what memories he has experienced. He KNOWS better than try to alter the timeline. But WHY? If the captain does not comply and goes forward, does the timeline remain, or does it change EVERYTHING? That's what will grind everyone's gears from here on out.
The thing is that the Cage, other than the vagueness around the Talosian powers was a relatively happy ending for Pike. At some stage hopefully the penny drops that there is a way out and I’d be happy for a super psychic Pike to be wandering the universe. Pike has only seen the results of the accident , not what comes after.
It does illustrate that the first split in Trek fandom wasn't with Discovery, or with Abrams, or with the Enterprise theme song, or with Dark Space Nine, or even with TNG. It was with the movies. The original series was my father's Star Trek, the OS movies were mine. And the movie uniforms really helped sell the fact that, aspirational though it was, Starfleet was a military service where things can go bad, people can die, and ships can "go down."
Love how Pike is not yet convinced when his future self tells him that it´s "fate of the world stuff" at stake if he sends those letters, but the fate of his crew and friends: Una being jailed for years, Spock crippled etc. This adds a whole new dimension to S02E02 "Ad Astra Per Aspera" - not everything is supposed to go south, after all, and Pike is a part of it. "I´m sorry, Chris." - "I´m sorry, too. Because this is not over yet."
Personally I don't understand Uns being in jail for years when season 2 showed that she was returned to duty. That was before anything would have changed in the time line.
I like the new design. One observation though. He's missing the gold around the black trim too, since he's clearly an Admiral. No big deal though. I notice details way too much. lol!
The reason that all of this got included in the shows is that this is LITERALLY Christopher Pike's canon fate: he's horribly disfigured in that accident. TOS has a 2 part episode covering the aftermath of that. In the end, Spock arranges for Pike to settle on that planet with the telepathic aliens, Talos 4. Remember the ones who helped Spock when his memory got screwed up??? Well, they're able to give Pike a comfy life using their illusion powers so to him it seems like he's back to normal again and he lives out the rest of his life with the woman who helped Burnham and Spock when they went there. Pike met and fell in love with her on a mission in the original pilot episode TOS.
It gets even more wild… Pike's injury was conceived of to cover up that they changed actors. And they only did that because they wanted to reuse the footage from the original pilot in a clip show. To save on production costs.
The dictation would not know the difference between the 2 voices, and was never stopped. the letter Pike says he was about to write, was recorded with all the references to time as well
Ok, so Pike took some chances earlier in the season because he knew he’d survive because he gets disfigured in the future. He was extremely confident it would happen. Now he’s finding out that he *can* change the future. And that the Klingon monks were ready to kill him instead of sending future Pike back. Meaning his premature death might lead to a very similar timeline. I wonder what that will do to his confidence.
Probably had to make a new one and that's what they had on hand, also is an alternate timeline so the uniform is different to the prime version to differentiate the two.
The Monster Maroon is a nice homage - the chevron pattern on it is a bit *weird* but fully in line with the concept of an ALTERNATE timeline A similar but ALTERNATE tangent in the space-time continuum
Agreed. The only other negative I really have with it is the angle of the flap. I just think it looks better with a cut that's more straight or 15 degrees down than a 45 degree angle down cut.
@@SamanthaIreneYTube I thought that too but then I looked at the original movie ones and realized it is at a similar angle to the original it's just Pike is built differently particularly in the shoulders than the TOS cast was in the 1980s. The angle is probably the closest to McCoys
I once surprised someone by putting the Time Crystal together from the tail end of Season 2 of Discovery. It's that situation of causality in temporal matters. Although not directly linked to this episode. Kirk ended up in causing the biggest temporal headache to the Temporal Investigations Bureau of Starfleet. 17 violations I believe, and that's from 'Trials and Tribble-ations' episode of Deep Space 9. Pike, Sisko and probably Picard only did it the once. Oh yes, and Janeway as well. Even so. Kirk was the biggest transgressor of time travel.
To be fair, Sisko also had to replace Gabriel Bell when his presence in the 21st century caused Bell to die prematurely. Sisko certainly isn't _as big_ of a headache for the DTI as Kirk was, but Sisko definitely ventured into the past more than the once.
Actress Ann Jillian once starred in a movie many years ago where something called, I think, the gemini effect was used. She portrayed twins, and had several scenes where she interacted with herself. She walk around and behind a chair with her other self sitting in it, reached out and touch her other self, even remove a scarf from the neck of the other. It was much more than just a split screen at the time and appeared to be even more complicated than what's depicted here. I wonder why it wasn't used more.
Timelines don't really work that way though. You go back to change the past, your present, and therefore your reason for going into the past ceases to exist.
@@joeswanson733 yeh with all those multi layered uniforms my guess is Starfleet ships have a standard aircon setting of around 18C so that the crew aren’t baking hot!
This is why I don't care for the "Star Trek" rules of time travel. Just because a butterfly effect can happen doesn't mean that it will. There's no reason why Pike couldn't find his work around and affect nothing in the grand scheme.
This scene is always confusing to me. Is it that future Pike is telling now Pike that his future sacrifice saves Spock from death, who is destined to save the Galaxy, and that no timeline where Pike avoids his fate does Spock survive. Therefore Pike’s destiny is to prevent catastrophe for Spock. Is that what this scene is about???
What would have been better is if this Christopher Pike had met himself after the baffle plate rupture/delta rays accident, either in his motorized chair or his likeness living on Talos IV. A colossal moment in film that could have been or could be...but as of yet hasn't been seized upon.
Everyone debates about Trek alternate timelines However ever time they time travel they alter the timeline creating a new one so I would think that there are many Trek timelines
no way pike was fleet admiral in the JJ trek continuity. marcus is a fleet admiral. pike is probably a 2-3 star admiral tops. TOS so we know pike got promoted by 2264 when they gave enterprise to kirk. 2266 he has the accident. so basically he got capped at that rank. in this timeline since he never got injured it's possible he would've kept getting promoted.
In other words, the accident and deaths of the cadets is a fixed point in time. It cannot be changed without serious consequences or the Klkngons or the Department of Temporal investigations will intervene to correct the anomalies.
This scene also shows off a continuity blooper. Pay attention to the young woman passing in the background at 0:27 and then passing again at 0:30. Same actress, same character.
That's what you come up with for a continuity blooper? How about the fact that Kirk became captain of the Enterprise before Pike's accident. Writing the letter does nothing.
I can't reconcile that these ships are surrounded by deadly vacuum yet all the areas inside the ship are incredibly open with no bulkheads to seal areas should damage occur. And yes they may have force fields, but damage plus power loss means death for everyone in these huge open areas.
I really love this episode. I'm a pretty hardcore Star Trek fan. Don't tell a lot of people but I really love strange new Worlds. It's not overtly political comment it just strives to make good Star Trek. The show that this is based on is amazing it's a TOS episode called balance of terror. Just beware after you watch balance of terror you'll have the saddening feeling. I can tell you that for a fact because there are no other episodes anywhere like it. Balance of terror is a beautiful glaring almost sensuous view into early space battle and into the Romulan Empire.
Do... Do you not understand the political overtones of Balance of Terror and what the Romulan Empire represents in relation to a real world ideological power (Communist China, the Klingons being Soviet Russia) or is history not something kids learn these days? 🤔
It's interesting that the boy's name Maat, is ancient Egyptian for the proper order of things, or the way things should be. Pike's attempt to save the cadet Maat disrupts the way things should be.
This is still my all-time fave Trek episode (fight me), but the differences in this version of the maroon TWOK uniform had me a bit annoyed - the different angle of the flap, the arms etc. But now I figure it makes more sense as it's from a future that's a bit off from what we know?
It's a shame the writers of the Star Trek series' can't get away from 'someone from the future' giving them solutions. The worst was Voyager where the crew seemed to be, despite being in the Delta Quadrant, time travelling to Earth on a fairly regular basis.
![Edge of tomorrow (2014) - We've never gotten this far [1080p]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JfOkF9Uc8kY/mqdefault.jpg)
I REALLY liked how it was James Kirk's Cowboy mentality that actually STOPPED a Romulan war with the Federation
I agree. That was a nice twist on the usual trope where you have to take a chance for peace. So Pike tried for peace but ended up starting a war. Kirk wanted to end it quick and could have prevented a war.
@@jonfreeman9682 leads me to believe if pike captained the enterprise for another 5 year mission pike would probably have been killed by the first episode where they go to the galactic barrier and a member of the crew become a demi god.
@@joeswanson733 No, because Gary Mitchell would not have been first officer on that cruise.
@@admiralbob77 im assuming gary mitchell is still on the crew. you didn't need to be on the bridge to gain esp powers from the great barrier exposure.
@@admiralbob77 More to the point Gary wouldn't have been holding his girlfriend's hand while trying to pilot the ship and no one would have gotten zapped.
I really love the TOS movie era uniforms. Probably the best Starfleet uniform we ever see on screen
Ya I agree. Ive wondered about why I think that as well. Would I have though the same thing if they appeared on the Motion Picture? Or is it tied to the affection for and success of TWOK? Is it just the uniform or is it the film the uniform is associated with?
Monster Maroons
my Star Trek online uniform, lol.
@@thetruthchannel349 I think the main reason people love them isn't just because of TWOK. It's because that uniform stuck around for every film after it. Also, let's face it, when you compare them to the uniforms from The Motion Picture....pretty much anything would be an improvement.
Personally i like the maroon uniforms, but still, they are far from my favorite. The early DS9/Voyager uniforms are my favorite. Especially the DS9 version which was basically the voyager uniforms, but with the TNG comm badges.
I like Trek uniforms where you can see from a distance who is who. You can see who is the science officer, or tactical, or engineering, etc just from the colors alone. It's why i don't like the grey shouldered uniforms from late DS9/First Contact onwards. Was fine in close ups, but yeah, give me the colors. For me the maroon uniforms have the same problem as the grey shoulders, but the worst in my opinion are still the uniforms from Enterprise or the first few seasons of Discovery. From a distance, i've no real way of knowing what each person's job is. I understand this is purely a nitpick, and i do like the maroon uniforms, they just aren't on my list of favorites, even though they were the uniform in some amazing films (and some not so amazing ones) so i think it's more complicated than just "which film they appeared in" everyone has preferences based on totally subjective opinions. Personally i think that's fine.
Well...TWOK and later. TMP's uniforms were...ahem...less than stellar.
If you'll forgive the turn of phrase.
Anson Mount does a great job playing an older version of Pike. The way he changes his voice, his mannerisms, etc. This is also a nice reversal of Voyager’s ending. Instead of an older version of the captain traveling back in time to change history, this one is trying to restore history. Also, a great callback to Yesterday’s Enterprise.
He looked way more grim and depressed.
@@cennon i would feel depressed too if I started WW5
A bit more stif-backed. And for lack of a better word, severe. It's a great performance choice all around.
Paramount are missing a trick if they don't give this guy some big screen action as pike. He is clearly top drawer and leading man territory. Anson Mount seriously has gravitas.
I would love for them to do like TNG and do a film every now and then with Pike.
*Ya he has the physical profile. The only problem with him is a hint of insincerity. It follows him through every scene like a ravenous vulture eating his delivery up as soon as its made. If he could work around that. Its just a handful of subtle expressions that detract from the sincerity of his character. A good director might could help him around it but it would still be difficult to break him of it without his becoming to self-conscious of his very expression.*
@@thetruthchannel349 It could be brought in as a plot point as well, if properly written.
I'd love it if we got a movie in the Red Uniform era I grew up watching the original franchise film them uniforms are nostalgic for me watching pike in a movie of his own would be amazing done right im sure the timeline can be semi fixed 😂 shit tbh I would mind seeing a kelvin timeline version of the uniform on the big screen 😅
Big screen Trek is dead. Leave it there. Shows have caught up with movies now...
I cannot explain how much I love that they put Pike in the future uniform. Really helps sell the timeline.
I liked that, but didn't like the changes to the uniform
@@countrykids6483 Absolutely. The uniform would not have needed any change.
@@rinderknorpelmuhle1790 it's Hollywood. They can't help it.
The uniform looks so good.
@@RHTeebs those sleeves look terrible, should have not replaced the sleeves.
Glad they brought back the Movie uniforms.
They were the best looking uniforms in Star Trek.
Monster Maroons
Still got it wrong
Definitely the best
Even though the time line is restored in this episode, it clearly establishes that Pike's future and fate CAN be changed. He isn't immortal until that accident, and that raises the stakes of every adventure.
Personally, when the Klingon stated "You're fate will be sealed. There will be no escaping it" that meant while it "can" occur with or without him, it will occur as planned but the cost will be greater (as it will fall upon the shoulders of someone close to him)
@@danielanderson8322 Correct. If the alternatives are worse than the original outcome, I'd keep my destiny the same also. Of course, it'd make it less stressful for Pike if he knew he'd ultimately get a happy ending living with the Talosians but I digress lol.
I mean, he can change a few details. But we know from the OG series what happens in the end. And it's honestly a fairly happy ending
It was a nice way to add stakes back in. Pike must have had a heart attack thinking about his Pike Maneuver after this episode
I think something of note to point out here also... Its Spock who takes him there.
They 100% need those red uniforms in the next Kelvin movie if it ever happens.
I like how they put this episode together making you think that something is going to happen to Kirk and that is what has such a strong negative effect on the timeline. Then when you see Spock with the lethal injuries, you see how important Spock is not just in that time period, but even into the far future we see in Discovery where the Romulans and Vulcans have reunited and it was Spock who had started that in motion.
Even before then. TNG: Unification, where Picard finds Spock incognito on Romulus, is where we first find out about it.
@@MKPiatkowski actually its star trek6 when we first see just how important he is
I love seeing that future Pike is dressed in the uniform introduced in ST-II: Wrath of Khan and used in the movies till ST-VI and the beginning of ST-VII, IMO that is the best Star Fleet uniform out of all of them.
What’s awesome about this show is that it’s doing classic TOS stuff but with a modern aesthetic.
I loved Discovery from Day 1 but this should have been the first show. Picard should never have been made.
Exactly. It's like the original but with captain Pike and like how they brought in Captain Kirk and try to workout peace with the Romulans. Now this is classic Star Trek. Like the time travel paradox of trying to change the future and the twist where sometimes you can't avoid war. Brilliant.
@@DavidOakesMusic Well Picard isn't that bad. Dunno about second season. First season was ok but there were a lot of filler episodes. With a little bit of fast forwarding it's not too bad.
I really like Anson Mount. He was the perfect Blackbolt. His historical series Hell on Wheels was so good. And he plays a perfect Pike. Great actor.
This episode gives me renewed (not that I needed it) respect for "Balance of Terror"! Kirk was definitely at the right place at the right time in the original time line!
It really shows that different people are needed in star fleet. While pike may be the best neogotiator in the fleet sometimes you don't need to neogotiate, you need to be aggressive and fight like Kirk
is it just me but in re-watching this he seems to put some of the sound of Greenwood's Pike into his future self's voice
Pike looks good in a TWOK Uniform
That's an alternate universe TWOK uniform, note the Maroon mesh pattern.
Hello yeahhhh
@@DarthVader-1701 Still looks good, even if the fine details are a little off.
@@DarthVader-1701 I am aware of that. I don't care where it is from. It still looks good.
I love that they did it BUT did they have to make tweaks xD
Brilliant episode and always love the time travel paradox of changing the future. Also a nice callback to bring in Captain Kirk and working together to defeat Romulans. The best episode and perfect way to cap the season.
Those eyes the Admiral was displaying, what memories he has experienced. He KNOWS better than try to alter the timeline. But WHY? If the captain does not comply and goes forward, does the timeline remain, or does it change EVERYTHING? That's what will grind everyone's gears from here on out.
The thing is that the Cage, other than the vagueness around the Talosian powers was a relatively happy ending for Pike.
At some stage hopefully the penny drops that there is a way out and I’d be happy for a super psychic Pike to be wandering the universe.
Pike has only seen the results of the accident , not what comes after.
If you saw that future you wouldn’t want it either
I’ve that episode, shot it like the TOS episode in some cases shot for shot. Just perfect
This is one of my favorite scenes from this series Anson Mount is giving such a great performance as the two pikes.
That uniform is a sight for sore eyes
It does illustrate that the first split in Trek fandom wasn't with Discovery, or with Abrams, or with the Enterprise theme song, or with Dark Space Nine, or even with TNG. It was with the movies. The original series was my father's Star Trek, the OS movies were mine. And the movie uniforms really helped sell the fact that, aspirational though it was, Starfleet was a military service where things can go bad, people can die, and ships can "go down."
I was happy to see Pikes future hair made it intact also.
Love how Pike is not yet convinced when his future self tells him that it´s "fate of the world stuff" at stake if he sends those letters, but the fate of his crew and friends: Una being jailed for years, Spock crippled etc. This adds a whole new dimension to S02E02 "Ad Astra Per Aspera" - not everything is supposed to go south, after all, and Pike is a part of it. "I´m sorry, Chris." - "I´m sorry, too. Because this is not over yet."
Personally I don't understand Uns being in jail for years when season 2 showed that she was returned to duty. That was before anything would have changed in the time line.
Man this entire series was absolutely fantastic! I only wish that there were more episodes this season!
I like the new design. One observation though. He's missing the gold around the black trim too, since he's clearly an Admiral. No big deal though. I notice details way too much. lol!
Pike will become an admiral if his survives. I recognized the rank insignia cross as one of the admiral ranka. Admiral Kirk had the same rank inaigia.
The reason that all of this got included in the shows is that this is LITERALLY Christopher Pike's canon fate: he's horribly disfigured in that accident. TOS has a 2 part episode covering the aftermath of that. In the end, Spock arranges for Pike to settle on that planet with the telepathic aliens, Talos 4. Remember the ones who helped Spock when his memory got screwed up??? Well, they're able to give Pike a comfy life using their illusion powers so to him it seems like he's back to normal again and he lives out the rest of his life with the woman who helped Burnham and Spock when they went there. Pike met and fell in love with her on a mission in the original pilot episode TOS.
It gets even more wild… Pike's injury was conceived of to cover up that they changed actors. And they only did that because they wanted to reuse the footage from the original pilot in a clip show. To save on production costs.
The dictation would not know the difference between the 2 voices, and was never stopped. the letter Pike says he was about to write, was recorded with all the references to time as well
2:55 "Pike doesn't need to hear that. He is a highly trained professional."
Time? Is it really that time again?
"Rise and shine, Admiral Pike. Rise and... shine".
as soon as i heard it i immediately searched for this comment lol
I love the TOS movie uniforms
I always liked them too
Anson does a marvelous job at playing two roles.
I love he's wearing the uniform from the movie eras.
Pike made full admiral in only 18 years. Not too shabby.
I liked that uniform better. Next to the DS9 season 4 uniform it was the most military like, or rather had a military vibe, of the Star Trek uniforms.
Anson Mount does such a good older version of himself, very convincing
This is one of the top 5 ST episodes ever written in it's 50+ year history.
Agree!!!
Episode 10 is classic Star Trek.
Calm down buddy
Ok, so Pike took some chances earlier in the season because he knew he’d survive because he gets disfigured in the future. He was extremely confident it would happen.
Now he’s finding out that he *can* change the future. And that the Klingon monks were ready to kill him instead of sending future Pike back. Meaning his premature death might lead to a very similar timeline.
I wonder what that will do to his confidence.
I don't think the monks care about how or when he dies only that he doesn't start a galactic war.
Love the future Pike brought back the old uniforms of the Star Trek movies! Amazing!
I wish my current self had visited me like 30 years ago.!
Best episode of the series.
Anson Mount really rocks that TOS movie era uniform...
Good to see the TOS movie-era uniform again, looks good on just about anybody.
My only critique of it is that I am not keen on the leather like sleeves and shoulder area. Should've just been the one material.
Probably had to make a new one and that's what they had on hand, also is an alternate timeline so the uniform is different to the prime version to differentiate the two.
You know you're talking to your future self when your future self mentions something that's happened to you that you'd never tell anyone.
The Monster Maroon is a nice homage - the chevron pattern on it is a bit *weird* but fully in line with the concept of an ALTERNATE timeline
A similar but ALTERNATE tangent in the space-time continuum
Agreed. The only other negative I really have with it is the angle of the flap. I just think it looks better with a cut that's more straight or 15 degrees down than a 45 degree angle down cut.
@@SamanthaIreneYTube I thought that too but then I looked at the original movie ones and realized it is at a similar angle to the original it's just Pike is built differently particularly in the shoulders than the TOS cast was in the 1980s. The angle is probably the closest to McCoys
Strange New Worlds has been a surprisingly good show.
I hope Paramount gives several more seasons.
Loved the homage to the movie era uniform. While more militaristic this is my fav uniform.
this is a really good scene
So great to see the Monster Maroon Uniform make an appearance.
Why did they add the weird discovery shoulder/arm honeycomb effect to a uniform we've already seen in multiple different shows? It's timeless
Which answers everyone who complains about why Pike didn't take that knowledge and change his own future.
omg its the classic movie uniform
Prime directive is to violate the prime directive
I once surprised someone by putting the Time Crystal together from the tail end of Season 2 of Discovery. It's that situation of causality in temporal matters. Although not directly linked to this episode. Kirk ended up in causing the biggest temporal headache to the Temporal Investigations Bureau of Starfleet. 17 violations I believe, and that's from 'Trials and Tribble-ations' episode of Deep Space 9. Pike, Sisko and probably Picard only did it the once. Oh yes, and Janeway as well. Even so. Kirk was the biggest transgressor of time travel.
The man was a menace. But then again, dulmer and lucsly never met Barry Allen.
To be fair, Sisko also had to replace Gabriel Bell when his presence in the 21st century caused Bell to die prematurely. Sisko certainly isn't _as big_ of a headache for the DTI as Kirk was, but Sisko definitely ventured into the past more than the once.
Wrath of Khan uniform huh, great to see it once again.
Really can hear Cullen Bohanan in the future voice
Actress Ann Jillian once starred in a movie many years ago where something called, I think, the gemini effect was used. She portrayed twins, and had several scenes where she interacted with herself. She walk around and behind a chair with her other self sitting in it, reached out and touch her other self, even remove a scarf from the neck of the other. It was much more than just a split screen at the time and appeared to be even more complicated than what's depicted here. I wonder why it wasn't used more.
Pike meeting himself in the original series “hello future me!” “Beep beep”
Timelines don't really work that way though. You go back to change the past, your present, and therefore your reason for going into the past ceases to exist.
Those monster maroons must have been hot enough when they were wool. Imagine how hot they must be with vinyl sleeves! 🥵
it's probably a air conditioned set.
@@joeswanson733 yeh with all those multi layered uniforms my guess is Starfleet ships have a standard aircon setting of around 18C so that the crew aren’t baking hot!
@@cha02psc "Well, it is very cold... in spaaaaaaaaace!" - Kahn
I love that red uniform
This is why I don't care for the "Star Trek" rules of time travel. Just because a butterfly effect can happen doesn't mean that it will. There's no reason why Pike couldn't find his work around and affect nothing in the grand scheme.
Awesome scene, and I know I am knit picking, but future Pike's uniform is missing the gold trim associated with the rank of admiral.
This scene is always confusing to me. Is it that future Pike is telling now Pike that his future sacrifice saves Spock from death, who is destined to save the Galaxy, and that no timeline where Pike avoids his fate does Spock survive. Therefore Pike’s destiny is to prevent catastrophe for Spock. Is that what this scene is about???
What would have been better is if this Christopher Pike had met himself after the baffle plate rupture/delta rays accident, either in his motorized chair or his likeness living on Talos IV. A colossal moment in film that could have been or could be...but as of yet hasn't been seized upon.
While I'm glad they brought back the Movie Uniform originally introduced in TWOK, I don't like that it was altered. It was perfect the way it was.
It was altered to show that’s it’s not the prime universe and is the creation of the temporal mistake pike was going to make
😂 i love the wrath of khan uniform!!
Everyone debates about Trek alternate timelines However ever time they time travel they alter the timeline creating a new one so I would think that there are many Trek timelines
Anson has the best hair.
Good lord he looks good in that (2280's) Admirals Uniform
That fucking uniform is FIRE!
RIP sir Neighsalot
All that hairspray has leaked into Pike's skull. He looks like he does the window displays at a fashion boutique.
I do like the red ones trousers.
Anson Mount was the perfect choice for Pike!
They have awesomely powerful hair gel in the future.
Futer pike is wearing and admiral rank . He was a ( fleet captain) in tos . But in jj Abrams. He was a fleet admiral. And captain of the enterprise
no way pike was fleet admiral in the JJ trek continuity. marcus is a fleet admiral. pike is probably a 2-3 star admiral tops.
TOS so we know pike got promoted by 2264 when they gave enterprise to kirk. 2266 he has the accident. so basically he got capped at that rank.
in this timeline since he never got injured it's possible he would've kept getting promoted.
In other words, the accident and deaths of the cadets is a fixed point in time. It cannot be changed without serious consequences or the Klkngons or the Department of Temporal investigations will intervene to correct the anomalies.
This scene also shows off a continuity blooper. Pay attention to the young woman passing in the background at 0:27 and then passing again at 0:30. Same actress, same character.
That's what you come up with for a continuity blooper? How about the fact that Kirk became captain of the Enterprise before Pike's accident. Writing the letter does nothing.
Future Pike: Oh, there's something about a... portal, purple hair, i don't know it slipped my mind.
I can't reconcile that these ships are surrounded by deadly vacuum yet all the areas inside the ship are incredibly open with no bulkheads to seal areas should damage occur. And yes they may have force fields, but damage plus power loss means death for everyone in these huge open areas.
I love how apparently Pike remains the same amount of middle aged for about 30 years...
Amazing they look like the same guy with different hair do
"Captain."
I’ve always been a big fan of Anson and him in this series just cemented that
Don't tell him Pike!
I really love this episode. I'm a pretty hardcore Star Trek fan. Don't tell a lot of people but I really love strange new Worlds. It's not overtly political comment it just strives to make good Star Trek. The show that this is based on is amazing it's a TOS episode called balance of terror. Just beware after you watch balance of terror you'll have the saddening feeling. I can tell you that for a fact because there are no other episodes anywhere like it. Balance of terror is a beautiful glaring almost sensuous view into early space battle and into the Romulan Empire.
And Balance of Terror wasn't overly political?? That's hilarious 😂
Do... Do you not understand the political overtones of Balance of Terror and what the Romulan Empire represents in relation to a real world ideological power (Communist China, the Klingons being Soviet Russia) or is history not something kids learn these days? 🤔
You are clueless lol. This whole show is a woke trash. Season 1 was okay but S2 went into over drive .
This should have been the 2009 reboot.
his future self has a bit of the same tone as Greenwood's Pike
"I'm you ... but BETTER."
Are you telling me that with warp drives and transporters, they cant heal a broken leg in a horse? 🐴
You have a point!
It's interesting that the boy's name Maat, is ancient Egyptian for the proper order of things, or the way things should be. Pike's attempt to save the cadet Maat disrupts the way things should be.
At least he's not on the wheelchair like Hawking does.
This is still my all-time fave Trek episode (fight me), but the differences in this version of the maroon TWOK uniform had me a bit annoyed - the different angle of the flap, the arms etc. But now I figure it makes more sense as it's from a future that's a bit off from what we know?
Anson Mount….he IS Pike.
Can any tell how you can have a fire in an ALL ATMOSPHERE environment?
It's a shame the writers of the Star Trek series' can't get away from 'someone from the future' giving them solutions. The worst was Voyager where the crew seemed to be, despite being in the Delta Quadrant, time travelling to Earth on a fairly regular basis.
More like "someone from the future stopping them from changing the future" here
I've never seen this show, but I have to say the clips here on UA-cam make it look amazing. Is it really this good?
It's probably some of the best of this era of Trek. I'm hoping once they conclude the show, they keep the sets and give us a recasted TOS.
"So what happens to me in the future, My Future Self?"
"Not much. The TV show doesn't do very well, and everyone forgets that you exist."
Actually that's not true: fans have known of Pike's final fate for decades.
The return of the Monster Maroon.
Lots of comments here starting with similar phrases: "I love..." "i like..." hmmmm bots?
That munster maroon is smexy