Lemon T950 Review - The Alibaba Drum Set
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2024
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Hi Justin,this is Nick from Lemon eDrums China,we really appreciate for the review for LEMON T950.The review is quite helpful to us,for pointing out the imperfection of the pads triggering and the module. We’re keep improving our production process,optimizing the sound module,trying our best to offer the most cost-effective and diversity Lemon products and full services to the drummers. Still we have a long way to go and thanks everyone for supporting us.
we solute your mission
Thank you I really love the cymbals and snare from your company.
So great to see a response from a company under a review.
Hi, how i can update my module? It will be fully usefull a hi-hat calibration option
Props to the manufacturer for the humble and honest response to the review. It says a lot!
We’re starting to sell our kits without the module too for people that just want to upgrade their current kits with bigger full size pads. Our kit paired with the Edrumin trigger interface triggering VST software or EfNote module, is an amazing value for the dollar.
where can we buy in the states?
That sounds like a super cool idea!
Thanks for the review!
Nice, solid playing!
Happy Drumming!!!
I've had this kit for over a year, and I'm on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. I would recommend it to 99% of people. Not a single drum module out there can produce the sounds that I can with Superior Drums or some custom made kits inside Logic. I would skip the $140 module and buy eDrumin 10 and trigger Superior, Logic, Kontakt, BFD or whatever you wish. I would also skip the 13" crashes and pay the extra $7-8 to upgrade to either 15" crashes or 18" rides to use as crashes. I lowered the tension on all of the mesh heads and my experience improved 10x with respect to triggering and nuanced playing. This is especially true for the kick drum. Also, I stuffed old couch cushions full of all the shells and noise pretty much disappeared. And last but not least, in Nov-Dec 2023 Lemon started putting 3ply mesh heads on their kits. The way you know is if the kick out head is a resonant head (not mesh) you have 3 ply mesh on all of the strike zones of the shells. Skip the module, skip the kick pedal, replace some cymbals with larger ones and this is pretty much a perfect, nearly a full size kit. I love that the kick isn't too deep which makes this kit, being full size, a perfect one to place in a smaller room..
Wohooo! Could be my comment, mate!
Module-wise I am a kind of spoiled using 3 eDRUMins.
The Lemon module seems to suck. What about latency, is there more latency than with the Roland thing?
For edums became kind of a religion at least passion. Damn I love these SD3 sounds.
See my info tab. I still use basically the MPS-850 and mixed them with 2 12" Alesis tom pads. Snare is a drum-tec style DIY system, and Lemon cymbals -- the BIG one, dudes.
All 3 zones. 15" hihat - also Lemon 3zones (so I can use the SD3 bell articulations), with a DIY Hall sensor. And ... it's amazing. There is one Lemon snare pad which I use a the side snare, it's working with positional sensing actually but I think I will put my Jobeky snare back on a snare snare stand.
3x 11" splashes, 3zone, of course. I modded some of the Lemon cymbals that they work as Yahama style cymbals to save inputs on the modules and ... recently, I was really pi***d off by the bouncy ATV 13" kick pad and ... don't ask how I get to that... but I bought 2 Roland used KD-7, they work great. :-)
A few weeks ago I was using some simple piezo as kick pedal triggers, and they actually work quite well but ... ya ... still the bouncy ATV pad.
Yeah... obviously not only drumming. I spent more money on the sounds, that on the pads. LakePeople hp amp, RME Babyface interface...
Agreed
" Not a single drum module out there can produce the sounds that I can with Superior Drums" The 2Box Drumit 3 and 5 does Sound like Toontrack, Addictive, BFD, Steven Slate Drums or what ever, if you layer the Drumkits and load them in to the Module :-)
@@c.s.8192 Making drum module jokes?
@@eDrumsInANutshell no jokes.
Dude all of the clips of you playing are fantastic. You've got some sick beats and chops!
Blegh, thanks for the info about these kits. I am actually impressed with what appears to be sincere interest in improving these issues, per the company in the comments.
Been waiting so lobmng for this
The E kit market is moving so fast. Real looking kits are coming down in price and can always be linked up to other sound sources. Can't wait to see what else comes onto the market soon!
It's surprising that companies are continuing to make small pad kits, they just seem toy like to me, unless someone makes the classic 80s simmons like pads for bands that play that genre of music
I have a lemon snare and all lemon cymbals.paired with Td 17 module.a to e ..using extreme drum triggers.... No problems at all ,, I love em. Thank you Justin for all you do for the edrum community !😊
Lemon cymbals kick ass. I got 2 13" crashes, 15" ride and 2 piece hi hats and they are all great on the TD-17
I did the same thing and it works great. Glad to see someone else had this idea and is having just as good an experience as I am
That snare design is the same as the Roland snares (I think the rubber bearing edge and trigger basket help the triggering and feel a ton), and their cymbals are the best for the price. Too bad the toms aren't the same quality.
Considering Justin is a big fan of Roland products. I’m surprised he didn’t like the same basket bearing edge concept lemon uses.
Maybe the kit Justin was lent, was a lemon ,from lemon,(pun intended) sometimes things get missed in production, but doesn't mean that all products have imperfections. Just a thought
I can tell you Lemon is a solid brand. I myself have bought a few cymbals, a snare, tom and bass drum and I am so happy with them.
I paired (some of) this kit with a TD27 and have had great results.
Ordered the larger rack tom and 2x 13 inch floor toms, and i use their 18 inch ride as a big crash, plus the crashes. Combined with the Roland Digital Snare, Hi-Hats and Ride, it looks great and is good to play.
I will keep an eye on the triggers now seeing what's happened to yours
You GOTTA do the XD-2000 from HXM. I just got it, insane value for under $1000 (shipped!). It's the same exact kit as the Millenium MPS - 1000 from Thomann. Has a module with EIGHT line outs like an Alesis Strike Pro SE. Really interesting hi hat design that acts like a two piece in a one piece, and it's optical. Seems much better put together than this. Except for the cymbals... I've had a cosmetic issue with the cymbals, but even for the shells alone, it's more than worth it.
To be fair, I used it with my eDrumin 10 and not the stock module (I'm the guy with the Dante setup you covered in another video), but I may try to set it up soon. Let me know if you have any questions.
Wrote my comment before I saw the end of the video... lol.
Also forgot to mention:
- I'm not sure if the line outs on the HXM module are balanced; the seller said they're unbalanced. I haven't tested this out and would require an 8 channel DI box if true.
- The HXM hi hat is optical. I've gotten it to TECHNICALLY of work on the eDrumin 10 (it would go through the entire range of the controller everytime I hit the pad with the pedal anywhere between closed and open), but I just use the GoeDrum controller underneath the HXM hi hat so I get the action of a two-piece hi hat pad. Even though the HXM hi hat is one piece, the design actually allows it so slosh around or stay put like a two-piece pad because of this weird ring on the bottom of the pad that sits on a little circular platform. I put the Goedrum underneath the platform with a tiny foam ring between them.
Thanks for the comment. +1 to a review of HXM kit please. I am very interested.
How much latency are you getting with your Dante setup?
Also, may I ask which video it was covered in? I'd be interested to see it!
@@galgogergo Very little if any. I'd say it's probably faster than if we used a USB audio interface, because there's less A/D conversion that has to take place. I've even forgotten to switch it from 512 samples to 64 samples because I didn't notice any lag. It was covered in the video "This was supposed to be a roast" or something like that.
@@austinpalmer8850 cool, I'm watching it right now! Can you say at which time it comes up?
GREAT review! for the price if you can get 'em, it looks like a gut the drums and replace triggers with UFODrums triggers, or some equivalent and use whatever module you desire other than the one it comes with. The kit looks nice IMO. Cheers!
Oh damn you got one! I've been wanting to pull the trigger on one just for the pads and pair it with a TD-17 module haha. Great vid, though I will skip it.
I have a full array of Lemon cymbals on my A TO E conversion kit they work great at a great price
I showed your review to Lemon and they said it was very helpful.
Thanks Justin! :)
I use these pads with a Roland TD27 and I think it’s fantastic. The only issue I’ve run into is the floor tom rim trigger.
When life gives you Lemons...
WOW looks cool! Amazing config with China and Splash! 🤘🤘🤘
Hey Justin! Thanks for all the great content! I’d love to see more videos on recording drums, playing live etc.
Anyway, I’m looking for a compact kit with good feel and sampling. The built in sounds doesn’t really matter as I will only be using DAW+SD. Any suggestions?
Btw, is there a drum module (“brain”) that’s only act as a MIDI interface to use with DAW?
I sold all my Roland crashes to help pay for my TD-27 kit. I kept the USB ride and hihat. I bought 4 lemon crashes. I didn't notice any difference from the crashes.
You sold Roland parts for 🍋s lol
100%@@Mi_Mono
Hey Justin. I wish you would have made this video sooner. As I was going back and forth on taking the chance on the lemon set or millennium in the last 2 months. I have a total of 6 electronic sets with a wide mixture of diy triggers and Simmons triggers on the acoustic shells. Every one of them I have dial in the trigger and sound setting to work great. I have. TD10, TD3,Alexis nitro, Alexis DM10, Yamaha DTXpress lll, and Yamaha Dtextreme ll, Most recently I purchased the Lemon T950 set and new the module would be replaced. I had the exact same issues you did, plus the knob on the module just broke.After 2 months I was able to make 2 custom kits that were ok, but couldn't get the snare to trigger fast or consistent ghost notes or accent. The rim shot or cross stick for snare I never got to trigger right. So I gave up and got the Alexis Strike Pro module for this set 2 weeks ago. I'm already loving the sounds much better and the ability to layer sounds. I did have to swamp the cable inside the ride cymbal, but other than that everything has been triggering fine.
The blinking screen is probably the AC adapter isn't powerful enough to give the amperage to keep everything stable when the module is amplifying a sound... to be sure try to hit the pad with the volume down and check if the screen keeps blinking 10:43
Citrus cleaner spray makes the sticky glue a jelly you can wipe out without scratching the wrap (which is super easy to scratch on these cheap sets) ...
Congratz for the first T950 review out there. Was searching one 5 weeks ago, couldn't stand that there was none and just ordered the set from China.
Glad, that I already found a used td-27 module. And thanks to your video, I'll definetly order some glue 😅 otherwise it still doesn't seem like a too bad choice...
What about triggering from the pads? You just mentioned, that they are "falling apart", but what about trigger quality, possitional sensing or response when using the TD-30 like you did?
paired this with TD11, been using it for almost 3 years. Awesome kit
@@restymalinao2023 in your 3 years of usage, did you also face issues with moving piezos?
@PythoM2 so far, the trigger performs good. But I haven't checked the inside. Maybe i'll check it soon
Can the high hat on this lemon kit be used on a Roland td27kv?
I had the kit for about 3 months and I’m liking it so far. The only “issue” that I have, while using superior drummer is that I can get either a crosstick sound or a rim shot from the snare rim, and if I assign the crosstick, sometime it would miss some regular snare hit. I know the module is not the best but I’m not in the market for a new one for now, anyone has any idea of how to fix/adjust that?
I'd love if you could include a latency measurement of all the modules you go through. Few have that opportunity.
Just ordered this kit on Friday direct from the manufacturer. We’ll see how it goes!
Hi man, hope you will enjoy your kit! Please let me know if you find any issues with it at all :)
@@MrEliaaaanit has been loaded onto the cargo boat as of a few days ago! Hoping to have the kit in the next few weeks and will likely make a video unboxing/review
great news! @@azizabbasi4739
Enjoy playing drums on a 🍋 !
🥁 🥁 🥁
I think what e-drums need is sympathetic noise. It sounds soo clean when you play it.
EZDrummer and other plugins have this as a feature.
Yeah, mic bleed, room micing etc. VSTs are so good.
@@TheDistortionist I use EZD 1. I've been meaning to upgrade for years but my 2010 iMac is really iffy
I paid $1500 on Reverb, had it 2 days later. Module is absolute junk, put that right in the trash on day 3 and bought a TD 17. Floor tom legs are small so I swapped those out and I also put pillows in the kick because it’s quite boomy. Perfect for what I need in the home studio.
Can it handle a good tea-bagging??
What's the port size on the module? Just wondering for use with a roland or alesis amp.
Now should i buy this or the Millennium mps 1000?
I do notice that the cakepans look like you could change to the 3 trigger design.
I've got a 13" crash and a 15" ride from Lemon. The china and the 18" ride are going to be ordered next week so the 15" ride will become a crash also. And maybe later on i'll get the splash too. All those cymbals combined cost just as much if i would have bought a Roland ride. And they trigger fantastic.
Yap! Just for the optics, I should exchange the 15" crash with a china. :-)
I'm calling BS. Kit comes out of nowhere and a bunch of people in these comments seem to have decided to buy this obscure kit's cymbals and somehow for a fraction of the price, are compatible to Roland, when a company like alesis can't even touch em?
Not buying it. Happy yo be proven wrong though!
@Mi_Mono Nah... Open up a Roland cymbal and a stinky Lemon. You will find the same crap. Of course... Roland cymbal's rubber or coating looks nicer. And for $400 their HAVE to be more durable!!!
And for sure, the Roland DS140 snare must be awesome to play or the digital ride with the multiple zones. And their module's speed is outstanding.
Here is the deal. Do I need these features?
Recently I saw a german pro drum teacher asking... "Damn, do I need a 5000€ (equals ~$5000) Roland eKit for online sessions?".
So I originally got the cheap MPS 850 and yep... the module is slow. But I went for faster modules by Audiofront, a RME Babyface and awesome headphone amp and Superior Drummer 3 but still low-priced pads. Except for the snare, because I wanted to try the positional sensing. And
uh... I got 2x used Roland KD-7. :)
I paid hundreds of $$ for the sounds and have the 3zone Lemon cymbals to use all the articulations.
I bought 3x 11" 3zone cymbals for $100 or something. Dude... it's a piezo and 2 Myrk membrane switches. And you won't find more stuff in a Roland cymbal.
Are lemon drums compatible with Alesis strike?
The drum kit itself is phenomenal - I would highly recommend this to most everyone. I would NOT recommend the module. I am using the 2Box Drummit 3 and everything sounds and plays INCREDIBLY well.
What cables did you use?
Anybody know if they are compatible with an Alexis module?
Nice, though the NUX Dm8 is better for now plus the remo mesh they put
Cheap is cheap but I think this is great value and configuration for the money in my opinion 👌 at least it doesn’t look kinda like a kids toy size and looks like a real kit and I particularly like that . Pretty good for the cash I think 👍
In germany we say. I you buy cheap stuff, you are going to buy twice.
@@eDrumsInANutshell that is also very true dude my father used to say that 👍 but on a plus side with that scenario at least you’ll have two 🤣
I wonder if you can use a YAMAHA DTX PRO/X modules...
Probably not very well; many people report mesh drums as triggering too "hot" for DTX-PRO modules. Maybe you can add some sort of dampening.
I am using the Lemon T580 with Z17 module, can totally relate with everything Justin said about the triggering. Should I save up to change the module to Roland TD27? Or just upgrade to Roland set in the future?
Please do a video on the HXM kit! Would be awesome to see the cymbals that come with them compared to lemon too. In the UK, the cymbals can be purchased separately (under millennium) for less than the lemon cymbals.
The cymbals are almost like Yamaha's, and the rubber is much nicer. Although if you hit the edge too hard, this plastic trim can come off and then you gotta glue it back.
@@austinpalmer8850Ive got the millenium mps850, and trying to decide what to upgrade to make it feel and play better. I usually run off ezdrummer, so i was considering getting an edrumin as the 850 module doesnt trigger too great, seems that the xd2000/mps1000 module is much better. I just need to find replacement cymbals as my ones are awful. trying to decide between lemon, unlock jaws and the hxm/millenium ones
well the millenium cymbals quality isnt really good already had to replace one of my crashs (in warranty so i just got a new one though), the rotation stopper on them is garbage... the ones the lemons use (actually the roland ones) are way better would take the lemon cymbals over the ones from millenium at anytime, but the drums it self seem to be of way better quality compared to the lemon one, but i prefer the tom holder of the lemon set
@@Gamer-kn7fi you have the mps-1000?
@@Gershy13 yes
Why are these drums not available in the USA ?
probably not enough demand (or profit margin) for someone to carry them in bulk
They are available at edrumcenter now for $1299. I just bought a set. Will do the recommended upgrades from Justin and use a Roland module already owned.
I have their cymbals and had the same issue with the rubber tearing after a few weeks.
not sure what was wrong with yours but I've been whaling on mine intensely for weeks and they're just as good as new.
Love the china shaped china.
Maybe try putting a fan on the module. The trigger sends power to the module, that maybe why the screen flashes.
Oops, got to wait for next better product - then. Thank you, Justin.
That kit actually looks nice. But you get what you pay for.
Goes to show the premium you pay with Roland or Yamaha is for a bullet-proof experience, triggering, reliable performance. And the R&D/interface of the module. These kits are made to look good in an online photo. If you buy this, be prepared to secure certain weak points to add your own quality control.
Well it is called Lemon, too good to be true is in its name
@ 4:32 are you drumming carry on my wayward son?
I’ve had three lemon cymbals for over a year with my td27 and they have been great. Def. Would not buy this kit. Thanks for your review.
People saying lemon cymbals are awesome is unbelievable. They are exactly like a wood plate covered with a towel. Noisy and with velocity inaccuracies. Returned 3 of them.
Hamburger vs steak I guess but they are awful to hit. Maybe ok as an effects cymbal at a push.
IDK. I have 4 Roland cymbals and a Lemon splash and it's cheap and good enough. It's not going to last as long, it has a bit more cross-talk between edge and bow, but it was like $25.
@@fallenshallriseThat is the point ... 18" for converted like $75 (I am in Germany) . For $350 less,.... I hit the cymbal there where the velocity is how I need it to be. :)
Really. Or I just stick another 20cent piezo to it. Noise it not an issue for me.
But I am not a pro touring with Alicia Keys. Of course there are situations where you just need working setups for hours.
Maybe "awesome" is the wrong word. The price/performance is smaller 1 or price < perfomance.
And the support is great. I ordered 3x 11" triple zone splashes and got 3x 18" rides. After complaining I got my 3 splahes. Without sending back something.
price
It's a bit unfortunate, but where I come from when you "Buy a Lemon" it generally means you bought something that fails. You just end up taking it back for a refund. Good to hear some positives though.
the checkout price for this kit would make it somewhat reasonable, but you add in the shipping cost and it ceases to make sense. i don't mind the idea of opening up these drums and reinforcing the internal components or upgrading them - but that should be an option, not a requirement. for the middling aesthetics, you're better off buying a used beginner kit for less than $200 and converting it - and even wrapping it in any material you want from wallpaper, real wood veneer, to faux leather - go crazy. since you're playing electronic sounds, how the wrapping material affects the tone of the shells doesn't matter. finally, you can just opt for the lemon cymbals and the module of your choice
looking forward to hear about the hxm in greater detail
lmao the company is actually called lemon
I do like the look. But reliability is most important to me. So Id probably pass.
Like 1000👍me
So funny..🦊
I have the lemon 15" and the splash..nice but nothing more than that.
The Roland and Unlock cymbals are much better than Lemon's..🧚
This thing is, in fact, a 🍋.
No, no. But I do have lemon cymbals and they're okay.
Pin me please first
900 dollars? You can get a premium one in europe for that
Not a great name to sell to uk customers. Traditionally a lemon is a name given to a bad product. Sounds good though...
naming your product 'Lemon' is a bad idea.
Not worth it!
the cheapest TD-30 modules on Ebay also cost more than this entire kit
True, I’m not saying buy that module, it’s just what I have. a used TD11 icame out the same year, is really cheap, and has the same trigger engine giving you the same accuracy.
@@65Drums That wouldn't be compatible with the VH-13-style two-piece hi-hat though, if I'm not mistaken. I believe you basically need a >$1k (used) module to have even the same basic functionality
@@65DrumsI have a td-9.
Will that work with the symbols and high hat?
The problem with this kit, and most other electric drum kits is, the sound made when hitting a drum is identical every time. Zero variation. You might think a volume change is variation, but it really is not. It is just the amplitude of the exact same sound, that changes. This is why I always hated the simple keyboards that only have one sound IE very limited expression can be made on such a stale device. It challenges you to be a better player in terms of dynamics and choice of notes, when all other factors are stripped away, but also removes most of the glue and icing that connects humans emotionally to what they are doing - all this translates to the end listener, thus we have a choir and generations upon generations of misfits that continually produce, manufacture distribute and market this very narrowminded lowest common denominator garbage.
it's an inexpensive kit with a inexpensive module, of course the sounds are going to suck. plug them to a PC/laptop over usb, and use it to trigger a VST, and right off the bat you'll get a much higher quality sound.
plus, most competent modules nowadays are getting better at sampling, so the effect you're describing is a thing of the past (aside from cheap modules). if you really want to use module sounds, try a modern Yamaha, ATV, EFNote, 2Box, maybe even the Alesis Strike module.