My grampa sold those too... He wound up as head sales manager at a Cadillac, Buick, Olds and Chevy dealership in Ohio... He retired in the early nineties, he started there as a lot boy in '46... Grandma always said, "we're a Buick family, not a Cadillac family", maybe that's why... But the weight of the Cadillacs canceled any engine advantage, hence, the Buicks were always faster in the quarter...! Our fastest cars were, and still are powered by Chevrolet big blocks...! I will say, fastest, and craziest sounding air boat that I drove was powered with a Cadillac 500...! It did not need water, my first "drive" of it was across a cow pasture of Florida bahaia gas... Thanks for you input though...
What's with the guy in the Dyno room? He doesn't listen. He's overbearing. He's a safety risk. HE is the epitome of why most shops do not allow people into their shops. Nick has the patience of a saint.
Nick's a patient man, I suppose being video'd has helped him with that. I prefer to be alone with the engine for the first couple of pulls, it's amazing what can distract you when you're looking at the monitor and the engine during a pull.
Nick is being paid twice to test this motor, whatever his Dyno fees are plus whatever UA-cam pays. If Nick is ok with the guys involvement then so am I .
I remember back in the 70's Dick Miller (Dick Miller Racing) used to own/drag race his 1970 W31 olds at the same time I owned a 70' and 71' W30 (455)....With headers, tuning, higher stall speed convertor, with 4.33 gear olds W27 12 bolt and slicks the W31car ran consistent 12.60's-12.70's at Milan Dragway in Michigan. Very potent small block. The 70' W30 and W31 aluminum dual plane intake manifolds were made for olds by Winters foundry. Not true about same cam on W cars and Delta 88 and W34 Toronado. The Delta 88 455 and W34 455 Toronado cam had 285/287 duration .472/.472" lift (same as W30 with Auto trans) The W30 4 speed had 328/328 duration and .475/.475" lift. The W30 4 speed had considerably less idle vacuum than the W30 Auto trans and W34 Toronado and Delta 88. The 70' W31 cam had 308/308 duration and .474/.474" lift resulting in lower idle vacuum than other Olds 350 engines and lower than the 455 W34 and W30 w/auto trans. engines. The higher duration cams on the 70' W31 and 70' W30 w/4 speed trans and resulting lower idle vacuum was the reason they were not available with power assisted brakes.The 70 W30 and W31 Q-Jet carbs were 750 cfm.
Terry....yeah, he needed an invitation to go outside for the rest of the day, see a little more of Canada. Seriously, Nick needs to implement some rules. Nobody in the dyno room except the actual client, and don't touch the dyno, or any tools in the shop.
@@lindanelson8400 It's more than being inconsiderate. Having a non-employee in the room opens a liability risk that no owner should be exposed to because of what it could do to the shop. In the old days that wouldn't be a big concern, put a Band-Aid on it, laugh, and forget it. It doesn't work that way anymore. Anyone can find a lawyer willing to file for anything, because that's just the way the world works now.
@@Slugg-O My thoughts exactly. If the engine detonates, something could come flying out. Perhaps a form could be signed limiting liability. Still, one has to defend against charges of negligence. It gets costly.
As a 4 decade Olds guy converted to Mopar, I think this Rocket dyno test is great ! Happy New Year, Dr. Olds Would be Proud ! Pure professionalism displayed here. !
Hi Nick In 1995 I came across a 1969 w31 engine with 20,000 Miles, Pistons were still shiny inside, I Sold it to a young man for his 85 cutlass He wanted the Motor ,and Paid good money back then, 3000 dollars , He called me up 2 weeks after I installed, saying is this full race, He could not believe how fast his car was.Had to share.Happy new year
I was impressed the the Oldsmobile knowledge of Tony's entourage. But, I was far more impressed with Nick's patience with them. Nick is a master of his craft.
Olds runs through my veins it's a family deal the cam well it's a w30 cam the intake is based on the cast iron but it's alum, the heads need port matched on the intake manifold side and exhaust, the headers are the wrong size the cam if I remember is .474 .474 at 308 dur on 108 degree I myself use comp cams valvetrain with roller tip rocker arms I also use Edelbrock intake on my Olds. Headers no comment you also need to open up all the oil drain back holes and oil restrictors I hope this helps Joe Mondello or Dick Miller has killer combos for Olds fans
A man down our road had three W31s. Our extended neighborhood is full of car and truck folks. Daytona's, Super Birds, Hemi GTXs, Hemi R/R's , super bee's, GTO's, Ferrari barchetta, Packards, Studebakers. It would take me an hour just to go through the cars .. then there's the trucks😂. But, the Mopar Muscle outweighs everything here. We have more Mopars in our County than you can fit in Carlisle. And I've turned a lot of Mopar folks on to Nick's garage. Dang auto correct
The 1968, '69 and '70 W-31 all used a 308-degree duration, .474 lift camshaft with 88 degrees of overlap. The lift and duration were measured from zero. Also, the 1970 W-30 and W-31 Quadra-Jets were set up with no power piston or primary metering rods and used smaller orifice two-barrel primary jets.
Dana "60" Glass. Great test on the W31. The insurance beater. The Ralleye 350 was rated at 310, but the W31 Cutlass with the bigger cam and larger intake valves was the better choice. 'Ol Doc Watson was a genius.
That dude hovering in the dyno room, his energy was just over bearing for a bit. Nick has tested probably 1000's engines. That dude didn't need to be messing with anything. Especially the throttle. You're paying someone to dyno your engine so let them do their job. Great job Nick!
It does my heart good to see all you guys together hashing out this engine. My buds are all gone, miss them terribly !!I had the '69 W-31 w/4spd. Incredible engine !!
The shots in the shop brought back holiday memories from long ago when every shop in town opened a bottle for loyal customers and friends. Before DWI and lawyered liability became a thing.
Back in 1977 there was a Mobil gas station across the street from the Shell station that I worked for. They had a W-31 Cutlass parked out front, waiting for repair parts. When they went to pull it the bay, it would not start. Opened the hood to find the intake manifold and heads had been stolen! All while the car sat right out front next to a main road. Crazy! Oh and I wish I had a dollar for everytime that I wacked my head on the "fang" of those Cutlass hoods.
Big thank you for the episode! What a special engine and frankly, this is the ultimate Oldsmobile I'd want. This W31, I kinda look at it like Old's "Chevy 350 LT-1". The spiciest small block with tremendous potential.
Had a W30 68 442 back in the day Mondello helped me with my engine great guy and harland sharp devloped the roller rockers for the Olds engine yes I got a 466 W27 rear end for my car back in the 80's for 200.00 !!!! Great car had it for over 25 years . Was one a few guys that had roller rockers over 40 hp per head !! Good luck with your W31 ! Nick keep up the great work !!! BTW Olds run the best at 38 degrees with the right octane !!
R.E OLD'S was laid to rest in Lansing Michigan at the Mount Hope Cemetery not too far from his gravestone lies Doc Watson who was the creator and inventor of the rocket motor lineup so that being said 56 years later we're still playing around with their engines this would probably make the both of them smile😁😁
Olds 350s are the greatest sounding V-8s ever made. That is really music to my ears. The difference between a 350 and 455 blocks is a taller deck on the 455. The bottom ends and cams etc are the same. Similar to current LSX engines made that can be 454 cu in and more displacement of course with pistons and connecting rods as appropriate.
I had one of these back in high school me and the gf refreshed it in my bedroom. Carried it down my parents hallway as a short block and installed the heads in the vehicle. Oh the good ole days
This makes me want to send y’all my 72 olds that’s in my 23 model T. It’s bored, balanced,cammed, intake, headers, 750 holley. Builder says it makes 425. But I’ve been skeptical for years. It might make 250. Hard to judge in a 1,500lb car. Thank you Nick, keep the old school alive.
Me too.... it was back in the late 80's, the engine was a 455 Olds, and the car was a 1979 Trans Am. The tires had NO chance. I was hooked on BBO's ever since. My current 505" BBO makes over 730h.p. and is still street driveable, however it needs to have $15 a gallon race fuel in it always.. and it gets TERRIBLE fuel mileage.😟 I'm currently in the works of converting that engine over to a Holley Terminator-X Stealth 4500 EFI system. Then I'll be able to do away with the Dominator carburetor, and then be able to run E-85 on the street, then load the correct tune from the touchscreen and dump race gas in it when it's time to hit the drag strip. The motor made a little over 730h.p. on the dyno with a 2-circuit 1050 Quick Fuel QFX Dominator on it, but that carb was way too small for the engine. The carb ended up with the largest 99 jets in it that come in the standard Holley Jet kit, and it was still a touch lean at over 6500rpms. We gave up on the dyno at that point because there was several inches of vacuum in the intake at WOT, indicating that the carb was too small anyways. It WILL make more power with the Terminator-X system, as the 4500 throttle body that comes with it flows 1,440cfms. It'll be interesting for sure to experience the difference.
In 1974 I purchased a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. It had the 310 hp 350 and it worked great. That was almost 50 years ago. I was 20 years old and I still miss that car. Happy New Year to you and yours.
I built a W31 for a 70 Cutlass Rallye 350. Yellow with a wing. It pulled like a big block. Pocket ported the heads performer intake stock carb with tuning. Close ratio 4 spd. That was a fun car. Comp cams
It amazes me how knowledgeable Nick is when it comes to engines ! Doesn’t seem to matter what make or model , he has so much experience with them and he uses common sense to figure things out !
I recently had a ‘72 Olds 350 rebuilt and it dynoed at 300.9 hp at 5400, and 344 ft lbs torque at 3300 rpm. The builder used a 455 cam, shaved the heads and block. With 8.5:1 pistons this increased the compression from 8.5 to 9.2:1. We used my 750 Qjet. I was pleased with the 300 hp mark.
While I was having my 455 1970 w30 being rebuilt ,the shop owner installed a 1970 w31 engine in my 442 out of his drag car , I could tell the difference immediately that 350 w31 motor loved to rev and felt every bit as strong on the top end as my w30. Great little engine same set up a set of headers and a Qjet.
Other than my lifetime of Mopar fandom, I had a few Olds in my young life. The Olds engines have a certain cadence to them, just like the Mopars do - and I liked it. The stock valvetrain design was more rugged than the other GM divisions, too. Only thing I couldn't get past was the siamese exhaust ports - never cared for that. Great job as always, Nick - and guests, y'all please stay clear of the dyno room! Nick has insurance concerns there, not to mention safety ones, so please respect the host. - Ed on the Ridge
Oh boy, I'm having flashbacks from 1984 when my Oldsmobile engine wouldn't start in my 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlas. "I HATED THAT ENGINE!" Back fire after back fire! You couldn't get the timing right sometimes. The carburator float drowned! I had to have the carburator rebuilt and install a new distributor. Then it started running on 6-7 cylinders after all that work getting it started😡. I found out I forgot about connecting the vacuum hoses and the new distrubutor had a couple of bad points. Boy, was I stupid at 17 years of age. That engine tested me bad! Nick did a great job on that W-31 Rocket engine. "HAPPY NEW YEAR, NICK AND GARAGE!!!"
Awesome engine! I like that old metallic bronze that Olds did on their cars and engines back then. I think the Olds 442 W30/W31 cars with the Black/Bronze or Lime Green/White are my favorite color schemes.
I had a buddy who had a '70 W-31 Auto. He cleaned up a few things after suggestions by some competitors & he was able to get that heavy car down the quarter around 14:01 seconds. Pretty car, a rich gold color w/ the nice white stripping & the big scoops. Buckets, console & the special rims. Best wishes Dan.
Oldsmobile had a major R&D section according to the John DeLorean book, On a clear day you csn see General Motors. Olds was also testing hemispherical head design and then GM shut the entire operation down as Chevrolet was the it brand and shielded them from competition. DeLorean ran Pontiac and i think we have him to thank for the GTO.
Great video to see with the Olds engine on the stand !!! It sounded really good and trottle right along !!! Remember the days when they were plenty of Olds and ol Pontiacs on the road ...Great test in the dyno . Nick ,you are a true Gentlemen in in every sense of the word ...
You can tell this engine came out of an Olds cuz Olds had a habit of painting em golds This is a W-31 and after a refresh ten years ago Tony and Nick want to see how she will run At Nick's Garage there's always something new to learn This week on Nick's Garage it's Oldsmobiles turn Nick's dyno is fully match fit and has plenty of fuel to burn So now it's time to sit back and hear a classic V8 at full chat Ain't nothing like the sound of a classic V8 on the attack It's nice and loud Tony should be rightly proud This is one that'll please any muscle car crowd Knowledge like Nick and Tony's you can't buy retail and it's enlightening when they go into detail Every Monday on Nick's Garage they never fail Happy New year Nick George and Tony thanks for sharing!
The engine came with the biggest cam olds ever made. I’m surprised the owner didn’t mention that. The cam had so much duration that the car wasn’t offered with power brakes as an option. I think it was something like 310 duration.
Cheers to you and Happy New Year Nick. I remember a guy running a W31 at Mission Raceway back in the early 70’s. it was a highly unusual seeing an Olds rather than the usual GM cars. It was impressive, running in the 13’s, good performance for a small displacement engine in an A body platform.
My OLDS Ram Rod was a 69. M22 Muncie 4-speed. H pattern, Hurst shifter. Had the engine in it that's on Nick's dyno. Hot Rod magazine said 13.98@103. I never timed it. All I know is, I got there first. The money went in my pocket and a lot of yaps got shut. Anyone who thinks an OLDS can't get out of its own way might want to think about it some more.
my '64 F-85 Cutlass came with a (Toronado) 425ci .30 over flat tops and .484 lift Ultra Dyne cam and a set of 'C' heads (not yet installed) I got the car in 2018 and trying to get it back together after full paint and under coating the underside. I've got many extras for it including TH350 built BOP Corp and just got a set of Thornton headers. Edelbrock RPM Performer intake and Q-Jet off a 68-72 Cutlass/Old's. Hope it at least has 350+hp and 470lbs torque when It is finished . Next Spring 2025.
I built a nice 350 for my 68 cutlass back it the day. Had the mains caps shaved with a billet girdle. Ported the heads and put the biggest valves could fit. Performer rpm cam and intake. Was a solid ripper! I ended up being car jacking for that car😢. RIP my little rocket!
Interesting how all but 1 person in the room did not tell Nick what to do in his shop, on his dyno. One can lead by example. One can also follow by example. The example set by 6 or 7 others who were there. And kept their mouths shut. While I'm sure Nick is still learning every day, I think it's safe to say he knows what he is doing at this point. Started working on engines how many years ago? Worked in how many dealerships and shops including his own? How many engines built, rebuilt, repaired, of all types? (countless) raced and worked on engines at how many sanctioned races? (countless) Call it a lifetime career. Nick is a maestro. Not some wrench jockey sophomore noob hack. With his CV, in his place of business, he deserves respect. That respect was sorely lacking from what's his name. You showed a lot of patience Nick. Kudos.
There is one specific port on the front left of the carb for the vacuum advance. It is special in that is changes the vacuum draw at different rpms from a wide open port.
If 325 doesn’t sound like much, the 350 hp (Advertised) 350 Chevy only made 323 hp. It took a cam change and some tuning to get it to actually put out 350 hp. Even worse was the 350 hp 327 only made 313 horsepower from the factory.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!!! Nick ,George, Melissa, Manny ,and Krew Thank-you for all yall do at Nick's Garage!!! To all the Fellow Viewers All the best to you !!! HERE WE GOOOO 2024 !!!
back in 1970-72 I had a 1968 ram rod 350 cutlass S - 4 speed with 433 rear end. I installed a stock Olds W-30 cam meant for the 455 it had 328* duration an increase from the stock W-31 with 308* duration.....it had a very impressive lopey idle and ran like a scalded cat......headers, W&B du coil distributer, edelbrock manifold and 780 holley...I seem to remember 6500 rpm redline and 38 degrees total timing. Sold it in 1973 for $1200 - oh boy- because I needed $$ to buy a used 1970 Mercury Cyclone 429SCJ for $2000 - those were the days.
Love those Olds 350s since my first 77 Olds 442 with the smogger windowed main web block / 3A smog heads. Since 1994 Ive had a 86 Olds 442 with a 68 Olds 350. .030 forged flat tops, heads shaved .020 for 65 cc, 9.8 compression with the thick fel pro .040 head gasket. The old 80s-90s Crane commander split duration flat tappet cam, 230/236 @.050 .496/504 lift. Performer RPM with a 650 mechanical secondary, stamped steel rockers, mechanical fuel pump (AC Delco!) HEI, nothing fancy, 18 mechanical advance, 18 initial, 5" crank pulley,ram air set up...even have the vintage style scoops under the bumper. Turbo 350 with a TCI 10", that old converter has been taking abuse since 1997. 8.5" 10 bolt with a 3.73. The one good thing they put in there. Air bags work awesome in the rear coils. Low 1.70s 60 foot times. THe car weighs 3640....with myself and a half tank of gas, at the track (Milan outside of Detroit) the weight is 3840. With ET streets , 26x10.5, and uncapped headers, on a 60-65 degree day Ive gotten some mid to high 12.50s at 107. Never been on a dyno but based on the weight and ET.....one of those formulas puts it at about 385 at the crank......With a flat tappet cam, stamped steel rockers, factory heads, HEI,mechanical fuel pump, that doesnt seem too bad. Imi happy with it. Did some mild porting to the heads, mainly removing the EGR bump in the exhaust manifold and cleaning up the blow area, nothing too radical. To any Olds gurus out there, considering Im not running and trick stuff, no rollers anything, factory heads, ignition, flat tappet cam. would you say that HP/ET is half way respectable? I shift at 5800 and cross the traps at 5400.
"It's New Years Day and we're going to a dyno party! And I intend to be annoying!" This is why Nick needs a hidden "BACKFIRE" button in the control room. Great video otherwise Nick! Thanks!
Good honest engine. Factory power and torque from a near 60 y/0 engine. And I will bet that when it was rebuilt it has less compression than factory. Piston manufacturers want to decompress everything. Near 100lb oil pressure is really too much. Before he puts it in the car a softer spring would be in order 60 psi is plenty and there is probably 5-8 hp as well.
Agreed. !00 psi can generate enough heat to wipe out a set of bearings fast, especially if it's a full bore drag race. 60 psi is more within the realm of reason. It will free up some horsepower and promote longevity. If anything you want a higher "volume" pump. Not higher pressure. A lot of people make this mistake. It can be an expensive lesson.
Nick, it was a real treat to hear a W31 Olds at full song! You were right on the money with setting up the dyno, spark-timing and testing, as always. That will be a nice ride with the 3:91 aluminum posi, and 5-speed stick. Happy New Year!
Thats one sweet little Olds motor there.. Ole Dr Olds knew what he was doing designing that motor..makes you wonder what a intake swap would do for it to get more horsepower...
I love how the A/F ratio was spot on. I'm a huge fan of Q-Jets, getting tuning parts for them was difficult. I was lucky to have a friend that worked at a GM parts dept. and he would let me sit there for hours going thru the Rochester parts book, which is about as thick as a New York phone book
Exactly! The nerve of that fool, going into someone else's business as a guest of the actual client, putting his hands on Nick's dyno.....I'd have told him to get out, stand somewhere behind me, and keep his mouth shut, or he could wait outside for the rest of the day!
Anyone who is not an Oldsmobile fan is a person who has never owned one. Great engines, great cars.
I called my olds the gutless
No need to rev a Rocket to the moon. She makes ALL the torque from 1500 to 3500 rpm
I always preferred Buicks over any Oldsmobile...! Much better engines and cars in my opinion...!
@@kurtisstutzman7056Cadillacs were even better. 472s and 500s stomped any Brand X 455.
My grampa sold those too... He wound up as head sales manager at a Cadillac, Buick, Olds and Chevy dealership in Ohio... He retired in the early nineties, he started there as a lot boy in '46... Grandma always said, "we're a Buick family, not a Cadillac family", maybe that's why... But the weight of the Cadillacs canceled any engine advantage, hence, the Buicks were always faster in the quarter...! Our fastest cars were, and still are powered by Chevrolet big blocks...! I will say, fastest, and craziest sounding air boat that I drove was powered with a Cadillac 500...! It did not need water, my first "drive" of it was across a cow pasture of Florida bahaia gas... Thanks for you input though...
I DRAG RACED ONE OF THOSE ENGINES FOR YEARS, NEVER COULD KILL IT, GOOD STUFF
What's with the guy in the Dyno room? He doesn't listen. He's overbearing. He's a safety risk. HE is the epitome of why most shops do not allow people into their shops. Nick has the patience of a saint.
Annoying
Nick's a patient man, I suppose being video'd has helped him with that. I prefer to be alone with the engine for the first couple of pulls, it's amazing what can distract you when you're looking at the monitor and the engine during a pull.
There seemed to be 6 guys standing behind him..
Your right, I wasn't even there and I was getting annoyed.
@@petereconomakis149 A bunch of yoyos looking to glom on to a popular UA-cam channel. Pretty useless, if you ask me.
Nick is being paid twice to test this motor, whatever his Dyno fees are plus whatever UA-cam pays.
If Nick is ok with the guys involvement then so am I .
That Quadrajet intake sound :-)
I remember back in the 70's Dick Miller (Dick Miller Racing) used to own/drag race his 1970 W31 olds at the same time I owned a 70' and 71' W30 (455)....With headers, tuning, higher stall speed convertor, with 4.33 gear olds W27 12 bolt and slicks the W31car ran consistent 12.60's-12.70's at Milan Dragway in Michigan. Very potent small block. The 70' W30 and W31 aluminum dual plane intake manifolds were made for olds by Winters foundry. Not true about same cam on W cars and Delta 88 and W34 Toronado. The Delta 88 455 and W34 455 Toronado cam had 285/287 duration .472/.472" lift (same as W30 with Auto trans) The W30 4 speed had 328/328 duration and .475/.475" lift. The W30 4 speed had considerably less idle vacuum than the W30 Auto trans and W34 Toronado and Delta 88. The 70' W31 cam had 308/308 duration and .474/.474" lift resulting in lower idle vacuum than other Olds 350 engines and lower than the 455 W34 and W30 w/auto trans. engines. The higher duration cams on the 70' W31 and 70' W30 w/4 speed trans and resulting lower idle vacuum was the reason they were not available with power assisted brakes.The 70 W30 and W31 Q-Jet carbs were 750 cfm.
Dr. Oldsmobile's W-Machine ROCKET POWER...Love it!!!
That guy getting on my nerves hovering around in the Dyno Room.
Maybe you should find other content?!
He's probably Tony's mechanic. Wants to get screen time...😅 Cheers from New Zealand 🇳🇿
@grizz2532me three.
It's all about respect for someone else's place.
Jeez, ask him to leave Nick! He’s trying to take over your Dyno room!
Nicks patience is commendable.
I'd have went off on that troll.
But the gnome brought him. Hahahahahaha
Nick should charge extra for each person in the dyno room. That Terry guy was already on my last nerve before the engine fired up.
Terry....yeah, he needed an invitation to go outside for the rest of the day, see a little more of Canada.
Seriously, Nick needs to implement some rules. Nobody in the dyno room except the actual client, and don't touch the dyno, or any tools in the shop.
@@lindanelson8400 It's more than being inconsiderate. Having a non-employee in the room opens a liability risk that no owner should be exposed to because of what it could do to the shop. In the old days that wouldn't be a big concern, put a Band-Aid on it, laugh, and forget it. It doesn't work that way anymore. Anyone can find a lawyer willing to file for anything, because that's just the way the world works now.
@@Slugg-O My thoughts exactly. If the engine detonates, something could come flying out. Perhaps a form could be signed limiting liability. Still, one has to defend against charges of negligence. It gets costly.
Yea, I have to say, that guy was really irritating. He just couldn't seem to do what he was told, keep his paws to himself, and stay out of the way.
That annoying Terry guy should be called FIGJAM…
As a 4 decade Olds guy converted to Mopar, I think this Rocket dyno test is great ! Happy New Year, Dr. Olds Would be Proud ! Pure professionalism displayed here. !
Had that engine when I was a kid. Non stop tickets till I lost my license totally ruined my life. Best time I’ve ever had 😜
Hi Nick In 1995 I came across a 1969 w31 engine with 20,000 Miles, Pistons were still shiny inside, I Sold it to a young man for his 85 cutlass He wanted the Motor ,and Paid good money back then, 3000 dollars , He called me up 2 weeks after I installed, saying is this full race, He could not believe how fast his car was.Had to share.Happy new year
I was impressed the the Oldsmobile knowledge of Tony's entourage. But, I was far more impressed with Nick's patience with them. Nick is a master of his craft.
They're annoying AF. No one cares about their Oldsmobile "knowledge"
Olds runs through my veins it's a family deal the cam well it's a w30 cam the intake is based on the cast iron but it's alum, the heads need port matched on the intake manifold side and exhaust, the headers are the wrong size the cam if I remember is .474 .474 at 308 dur on 108 degree I myself use comp cams valvetrain with roller tip rocker arms I also use Edelbrock intake on my Olds. Headers no comment you also need to open up all the oil drain back holes and oil restrictors I hope this helps Joe Mondello or Dick Miller has killer combos for Olds fans
I had a 1970 W-31 back in the mid 70's Boy do I miss that car
A man down our road had three W31s. Our extended neighborhood is full of car and truck folks. Daytona's, Super Birds, Hemi GTXs, Hemi R/R's , super bee's, GTO's, Ferrari barchetta, Packards, Studebakers. It would take me an hour just to go through the cars .. then there's the trucks😂. But, the Mopar Muscle outweighs everything here. We have more Mopars in our County than you can fit in Carlisle. And I've turned a lot of Mopar folks on to Nick's garage. Dang auto correct
The 1968, '69 and '70 W-31 all used a 308-degree duration, .474 lift camshaft with 88 degrees of overlap. The lift and duration were measured from zero. Also, the 1970 W-30 and W-31 Quadra-Jets were set up with no power piston or primary metering rods and used smaller orifice two-barrel primary jets.
And they are worth about $5,000.
My father had a1967 cutlass Supreme 330ci it had 320hp I think it was a jetfire engine the engine was also painted gold.
Dana "60" Glass. Great test on the W31. The insurance beater. The Ralleye 350 was rated at 310, but the W31 Cutlass with the bigger cam and larger intake valves was the better choice. 'Ol Doc Watson was a genius.
Wow man that Olds has the smoothest transition going from the primaries into the secondaries I have seen.
That dude hovering in the dyno room, his energy was just over bearing for a bit. Nick has tested probably 1000's engines. That dude didn't need to be messing with anything. Especially the throttle. You're paying someone to dyno your engine so let them do their job. Great job Nick!
He showing a lot more patience than I could. How distracting!
Know it all in every crowd
It does my heart good to see all you guys together hashing out this engine. My buds are all gone, miss them terribly !!I had the '69 W-31 w/4spd. Incredible engine !!
Sorry to hear that.
All my friends have gone also. I miss them very much. Yet life goes on, now it’s grandchildren !
Thumbs up to nick and his camera guy for putting up with Tony's friend.
The shots in the shop brought back holiday memories from long ago when every shop in town opened a bottle for loyal customers and friends. Before DWI and lawyered liability became a thing.
Back in 1977 there was a Mobil gas station across the street from the Shell station that I worked for. They had a W-31 Cutlass parked out front, waiting for repair parts. When they went to pull it the bay, it would not start. Opened the hood to find the intake manifold and heads had been stolen! All while the car sat right out front next to a main road. Crazy! Oh and I wish I had a dollar for everytime that I wacked my head on the "fang" of those Cutlass hoods.
Rochester is the wAy to go. Love some gold Olds motor action.
Those Oldsmobile engines were well made.
I had a 68' Olds Cutlasswagon w/a 350 what a beast!
not bad,i built 2 for my jet boat. didn't like the non adjustable rockers like dodge.
They’re easy to swap to adjustable rockers. Just use 3/8 studs and 351w rockers.
@@sprintcarsandguitars959 I put adjustable valve train in my 403.
They are really tough engines, I have a 1972 Olds 455, runs great, all original and I still drive it.
Big thank you for the episode! What a special engine and frankly, this is the ultimate Oldsmobile I'd want. This W31, I kinda look at it like Old's "Chevy 350 LT-1". The spiciest small block with tremendous potential.
Had a W30 68 442 back in the day Mondello helped me with my engine great guy and harland sharp devloped the roller rockers for the Olds engine yes I got a 466 W27 rear end for my car back in the 80's for 200.00 !!!! Great car had it for over 25 years . Was one a few guys that had roller rockers over 40 hp per head !! Good luck with your W31 ! Nick keep up the great work !!! BTW Olds run the best at 38 degrees with the right octane !!
R.E OLD'S was laid to rest in Lansing Michigan at the Mount Hope Cemetery not too far from his gravestone lies Doc Watson who was the creator and inventor of the rocket motor lineup so that being said 56 years later we're still playing around with their engines this would probably make the both of them smile😁😁
Olds 350s are the greatest sounding V-8s ever made. That is really music to my ears.
The difference between a 350 and 455 blocks is a taller deck on the 455. The bottom ends and cams etc are the same. Similar to current LSX engines made that can be 454 cu in and more displacement of course with pistons and connecting rods as appropriate.
Absolutely love your channel. Love the old-school engines.
Nice to finally see an Olds motor on the Dyno.👍👍
Thanks 👍
I had one of these back in high school me and the gf refreshed it in my bedroom. Carried it down my parents hallway as a short block and installed the heads in the vehicle. Oh the good ole days
This makes me want to send y’all my 72 olds that’s in my 23 model T. It’s bored, balanced,cammed, intake, headers, 750 holley. Builder says it makes 425. But I’ve been skeptical for years. It might make 250. Hard to judge in a 1,500lb car. Thank you Nick, keep the old school alive.
Sounds very cool.
325 hp at 5400 rpm for factory high performance that’s good in my book. Thank you sharing Nick.
I had a 1966 Cutlass with a 330 CI 320 HP 4 speed........ was a GTO killer. Ran hi 14 second quarter mile.
I love this!! The olds 350 build Nick did several years ago is how i found this channel.
I remember the first Oldsmobile I floored. Great memories!
Me too.... it was back in the late 80's, the engine was a 455 Olds, and the car was a 1979 Trans Am. The tires had NO chance. I was hooked on BBO's ever since.
My current 505" BBO makes over 730h.p. and is still street driveable, however it needs to have $15 a gallon race fuel in it always.. and it gets TERRIBLE fuel mileage.😟
I'm currently in the works of converting that engine over to a Holley Terminator-X Stealth 4500 EFI system. Then I'll be able to do away with the Dominator carburetor, and then be able to run E-85 on the street, then load the correct tune from the touchscreen and dump race gas in it when it's time to hit the drag strip.
The motor made a little over 730h.p. on the dyno with a 2-circuit 1050 Quick Fuel QFX Dominator on it, but that carb was way too small for the engine. The carb ended up with the largest 99 jets in it that come in the standard Holley Jet kit, and it was still a touch lean at over 6500rpms. We gave up on the dyno at that point because there was several inches of vacuum in the intake at WOT, indicating that the carb was too small anyways.
It WILL make more power with the Terminator-X system, as the 4500 throttle body that comes with it flows 1,440cfms. It'll be interesting for sure to experience the difference.
In 1974 I purchased a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. It had the 310 hp 350 and it worked great. That was almost 50 years ago. I was 20 years old and I still miss that car. Happy New Year to you and yours.
Very cool!
My brother had a ‘70 cutlas supreme in high school. I always liked that body better. I’ve had 7 or 8 Oldsmobiles from 62 to 68. All were great cars.
Love watching that quadrajet work.
I built a W31 for a 70 Cutlass Rallye 350. Yellow with a wing. It pulled like a big block. Pocket ported the heads performer intake stock carb with tuning. Close ratio 4 spd. That was a fun car. Comp cams
Boy listen to that baby chopping away! What a sweet sounding engine!
It sure is!
And that's a factory camshaft.... 👍
It amazes me how knowledgeable Nick is when it comes to engines ! Doesn’t seem to matter what make or model , he has so much experience with them and he uses common sense to figure things out !
No he doesn’t. His Dyno knowledge is limited at best.
@@oldsmobilecutlass1805 Terry/Perry should have shown some RESPECT to Nick since he was a guest.
@@oldsmobilecutlass1805 he (nick) has worked with Joe. Show some respect where it's due smh
Anyone that plugs manifold vacuum into a distributor isnt all that. 😂
Fun time with a bunch of old school guys
Need to get up and see Nick
I recently had a ‘72 Olds 350 rebuilt and it dynoed at 300.9 hp at 5400, and 344 ft lbs torque at 3300 rpm. The builder used a 455 cam, shaved the heads and block. With 8.5:1 pistons this increased the compression from 8.5 to 9.2:1. We used my 750 Qjet. I was pleased with the 300 hp mark.
Sounds like a great build!
That gold looks cool with the headers and aluminum intake 😎
Sweet sounding Oldsmobile
Good job Nick! You showed patience with Tony friend, showed your good character.
Happy new year.
While I was having my 455 1970 w30 being rebuilt ,the shop owner installed a 1970 w31 engine in my 442 out of his drag car , I could tell the difference immediately that 350 w31 motor loved to rev and felt every bit as strong on the top end as my w30. Great little engine same set up a set of headers and a Qjet.
Other than my lifetime of Mopar fandom, I had a few Olds in my young life.
The Olds engines have a certain cadence to them, just like the Mopars do - and I liked it.
The stock valvetrain design was more rugged than the other GM divisions, too.
Only thing I couldn't get past was the siamese exhaust ports - never cared for that.
Great job as always, Nick - and guests, y'all please stay clear of the dyno room!
Nick has insurance concerns there, not to mention safety ones, so please respect the host.
- Ed on the Ridge
Thanks for the visit, Ed. Happy new year.
Oh boy, I'm having flashbacks from 1984 when my Oldsmobile engine wouldn't start in my 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlas. "I HATED THAT ENGINE!" Back fire after back fire! You couldn't get the timing right sometimes. The carburator float drowned! I had to have the carburator rebuilt and install a new distributor. Then it started running on 6-7 cylinders after all that work getting it started😡. I found out I forgot about connecting the vacuum hoses and the new distrubutor had a couple of bad points. Boy, was I stupid at 17 years of age. That engine tested me bad!
Nick did a great job on that W-31 Rocket engine. "HAPPY NEW YEAR, NICK AND GARAGE!!!"
Awesome engine! I like that old metallic bronze that Olds did on their cars and engines back then. I think the Olds 442 W30/W31 cars with the Black/Bronze or Lime Green/White are my favorite color schemes.
lots of granpas wokeup for this one i bet. thanks for the olds engine fellaz. great job nick,,
Tony, has a significant car and engine! Very, nice!
Been waiting for this for years thanks another Oldsmobile
Cheeers to everybody at Nick’s garage!!!! That olds rocks: they always were pretty solid engines.
Cheers!
One of my favorite engines from GM, strong, reliable, great mpg for an old v8, and lots of tourque!
Some Dr. Oldsmobile action to start the New Year. Very interesting. Happy New Year everyone!
Happy new year!
Nick i find myself watching more and more of your channel i love the content
That is great! We appreciate you.
I had a buddy who had a '70 W-31 Auto. He cleaned up a few things after suggestions by some competitors & he was able to get that heavy car down the quarter around 14:01 seconds. Pretty car, a rich gold color w/ the nice white stripping & the big scoops. Buckets, console & the special rims. Best wishes Dan.
I Love Dr.O and miss them !
Oldsmobile had a major R&D section according to the John DeLorean book, On a clear day you csn see General Motors. Olds was also testing hemispherical head design and then GM shut the entire operation down as Chevrolet was the it brand and shielded them from competition. DeLorean ran Pontiac and i think we have him to thank for the GTO.
That’s a cool motor. I didn’t know it’s history and I learned quite a bit here - thank you!
Great video to see with the Olds engine on the stand !!! It sounded really good and trottle right along !!! Remember the days when they were plenty of Olds and ol Pontiacs on the road ...Great test in the dyno . Nick ,you are a true Gentlemen in in every sense of the word ...
Glad you enjoyed it.
You can tell this engine came out of an Olds cuz Olds had a habit of painting em golds This is a W-31 and after a refresh ten years ago Tony and Nick want to see how she will run At Nick's Garage there's always something new to learn This week on Nick's Garage it's Oldsmobiles turn Nick's dyno is fully match fit and has plenty of fuel to burn So now it's time to sit back and hear a classic V8 at full chat Ain't nothing like the sound of a classic V8 on the attack It's nice and loud Tony should be rightly proud This is one that'll please any muscle car crowd Knowledge like Nick and Tony's you can't buy retail and it's enlightening when they go into detail Every Monday on Nick's Garage they never fail Happy New year Nick George and Tony thanks for sharing!
Happy new year, Roberto!
Man, that guy is really grinding my gears !
The engine came with the biggest cam olds ever made. I’m surprised the owner didn’t mention that. The cam had so much duration that the car wasn’t offered with power brakes as an option. I think it was something like 310 duration.
Yep same cam as the W30 which had 308 duration but you could get the 328 duration cam in a W30 with 4speed , no AC or power brakes.
That engine sounds 👍
It's good to see an Olds engine built to design standards. Congrats! The eyes of Texas are upon you. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Thanks. Happy new year.
This is exactly why I watch Nick! You bring out the best in All around you! Cheers!👍
love your show ! ive been watching for a while now and never get boring , It must be a Greek thing my brother, stay well Tonyjoannou
Cheers to you and Happy New Year Nick. I remember a guy running a W31 at Mission Raceway back in the early 70’s. it was a highly unusual seeing an Olds rather than the usual GM cars. It was impressive, running in the 13’s, good performance for a small displacement engine in an A body platform.
Happy new year!
My OLDS Ram Rod was a 69. M22 Muncie 4-speed. H pattern, Hurst shifter. Had the engine in it that's on Nick's dyno. Hot Rod magazine said 13.98@103. I never timed it. All I know is, I got there first. The money went in my pocket and a lot of yaps got shut. Anyone who thinks an OLDS can't get out of its own way might want to think about it some more.
was surprised usually they're under on paper turns out to be more but this was right on
Nick you have a lot of patience. That guy hovering over you and touching your stuff would have put me over the edge .
Starts beautifully. Sounds great.
My 1964 Olds 442 came with the high compression (10.25:1) 330 engine that made 310hp.. wish I still had it!
All the engines back then had 10.25+ compression. Your 442 had a hotter cam in it than the basic 330. That was the difference.
my '64 F-85 Cutlass came with a (Toronado) 425ci .30 over flat tops and .484 lift Ultra Dyne cam and a set of 'C' heads (not yet installed) I got the car in 2018 and trying to get it back together after full paint and under coating the underside. I've got many extras for it including TH350 built BOP Corp and just got a set of Thornton headers. Edelbrock RPM Performer intake and Q-Jet off a 68-72 Cutlass/Old's. Hope it at least has 350+hp and 470lbs torque when It is finished . Next Spring 2025.
5000 rpm is on the way to 5500 ;) so far Nick's patience is showing through
Yasoo palikari. Here we go for 2023. Tuned in from Adelaide Australia
Happy new year Steve.
I built a nice 350 for my 68 cutlass back it the day. Had the mains caps shaved with a billet girdle. Ported the heads and put the biggest valves could fit. Performer rpm cam and intake. Was a solid ripper! I ended up being car jacking for that car😢. RIP my little rocket!
Interesting how all but 1 person in the room did not tell Nick what to do in his shop, on his dyno. One can lead by example. One can also follow by example. The example set by 6 or 7 others who were there. And kept their mouths shut. While I'm sure Nick is still learning every day, I think it's safe to say he knows what he is doing at this point. Started working on engines how many years ago? Worked in how many dealerships and shops including his own? How many engines built, rebuilt, repaired, of all types? (countless) raced and worked on engines at how many sanctioned races? (countless) Call it a lifetime career. Nick is a maestro. Not some wrench jockey sophomore noob hack. With his CV, in his place of business, he deserves respect. That respect was sorely lacking from what's his name. You showed a lot of patience Nick. Kudos.
Nice Olds 350 W-31 ! Wish I were there
Nic, this is a great holiday video. Thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
There is one specific port on the front left of the carb for the vacuum advance. It is special in that is changes the vacuum draw at different rpms from a wide open port.
If 325 doesn’t sound like much, the 350 hp (Advertised) 350 Chevy only made 323 hp. It took a cam change and some tuning to get it to actually put out 350 hp. Even worse was the 350 hp 327 only made 313 horsepower from the factory.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!!! Nick ,George, Melissa, Manny ,and Krew Thank-you for all yall do at Nick's Garage!!! To all the Fellow Viewers All the best to you !!! HERE WE GOOOO 2024 !!!
Happy new year!
back in 1970-72 I had a 1968 ram rod 350 cutlass S - 4 speed with 433 rear end. I installed a stock Olds W-30 cam meant for the 455 it had 328* duration an increase from the stock W-31 with 308* duration.....it had a very impressive lopey idle and ran like a scalded cat......headers, W&B du coil distributer, edelbrock manifold and 780 holley...I seem to remember 6500 rpm redline and 38 degrees total timing. Sold it in 1973 for $1200 - oh boy- because I needed $$ to buy a used 1970 Mercury Cyclone 429SCJ for $2000 - those were the days.
You should have kept the Olds....
Love those Olds 350s since my first 77 Olds 442 with the smogger windowed main web block / 3A smog heads. Since 1994 Ive had a 86 Olds 442 with a 68 Olds 350. .030 forged flat tops, heads shaved .020 for 65 cc, 9.8 compression with the thick fel pro .040 head gasket. The old 80s-90s Crane commander split duration flat tappet cam, 230/236 @.050 .496/504 lift. Performer RPM with a 650 mechanical secondary, stamped steel rockers, mechanical fuel pump (AC Delco!) HEI, nothing fancy, 18 mechanical advance, 18 initial, 5" crank pulley,ram air set up...even have the vintage style scoops under the bumper. Turbo 350 with a TCI 10", that old converter has been taking abuse since 1997. 8.5" 10 bolt with a 3.73. The one good thing they put in there. Air bags work awesome in the rear coils. Low 1.70s 60 foot times.
THe car weighs 3640....with myself and a half tank of gas, at the track (Milan outside of Detroit) the weight is 3840. With ET streets , 26x10.5, and uncapped headers, on a 60-65 degree day Ive gotten some mid to high 12.50s at 107. Never been on a dyno but based on the weight and ET.....one of those formulas puts it at about 385 at the crank......With a flat tappet cam, stamped steel rockers, factory heads, HEI,mechanical fuel pump, that doesnt seem too bad. Imi happy with it. Did some mild porting to the heads, mainly removing the EGR bump in the exhaust manifold and cleaning up the blow area, nothing too radical. To any Olds gurus out there, considering Im not running and trick stuff, no rollers anything, factory heads, ignition, flat tappet cam. would you say that HP/ET is half way respectable? I shift at 5800 and cross the traps at 5400.
"It's New Years Day and we're going to a dyno party! And I intend to be annoying!" This is why Nick needs a hidden "BACKFIRE" button in the control room. Great video otherwise Nick! Thanks!
Nick you gotta do something about these tourists in the dyno room!
Really enjoyed this episode. I've had two of those Oldsmobile engines years ago and found them to be very reliable.
Good honest engine. Factory power and torque from a near 60 y/0 engine. And I will bet that when it was rebuilt it has less compression than factory. Piston manufacturers want to decompress everything.
Near 100lb oil pressure is really too much. Before he puts it in the car a softer spring would be in order 60 psi is plenty and there is probably 5-8 hp as well.
Agreed. !00 psi can generate enough heat to wipe out a set of bearings fast, especially if it's a full bore drag race. 60 psi is more within the realm of reason. It will free up some horsepower and promote longevity. If anything you want a higher "volume" pump. Not higher pressure. A lot of people make this mistake. It can be an expensive lesson.
Cheers and Happy New Year Nick and Crew!
Happy new year!
Screamin little olds small block.. Love the gold rocket 350"s
Nick, it was a real treat to hear a W31 Olds at full song! You were right on the money with setting up the dyno, spark-timing and testing, as always. That will be a nice ride with the 3:91 aluminum posi, and 5-speed stick. Happy New Year!
Glad you enjoyed it. Happy new year.
Love to see the Olds get tested.
Thats one sweet little Olds motor there.. Ole Dr Olds knew what he was doing designing that motor..makes you wonder what a intake swap would do for it to get more horsepower...
Nice engine Tony. Congratulations.
Right on.
I love how the A/F ratio was spot on. I'm a huge fan of Q-Jets, getting tuning parts for them was difficult. I was lucky to have a friend that worked at a GM parts dept. and he would let me sit there for hours going thru the Rochester parts book, which is about as thick as a New York phone book
This is the first time I’ve seen Nick allow this in his dyno… Much Respect Nick an Happy New Year to U and the Team
Sometimes too many hands in the Dyno room is no good 👍
so painful to watch
At the beginning, I thought Nick was ready to start swatting hands! 😅
Exactly. I had to mute myself. Lol. Have a great 2024
Keep the posers out of the dyno room!
Exactly! The nerve of that fool, going into someone else's business as a guest of the actual client, putting his hands on Nick's dyno.....I'd have told him to get out, stand somewhere behind me, and keep his mouth shut, or he could wait outside for the rest of the day!