Well there is a rpg game that is celebrating its 50th anniversary, Dungeons and Dragons, which Everquest took a lot of inspiration from (Wotc development played EQ and it inspired the 3rd edtion of the game, this is what I have heard at least). Seeing how Hasbro are going more digital, and that their MMORPG aren't that good to be honest, and the massive amount that play and knows the different "settings" with its own lore, made right, I think it might have the potential to be the new king 👑 on the block. Don't take me wrong, I so want a new EQ3 in Unreal engine 5 ❤, I think the 80% familiar is that they will use bits from both EQ and EQ2, then see what they can improve with 20% of the game being new. 30$ million is probably on the low end, but I can see them making EQ3 with perhaps around 50 million $, depending on investment, might be even more. The problem I think they have is how do we make both EQ and EQ2 players and new players love our game, that's why they are in ideation phase until probably at the end of first quarter of 2025 (they need to be finishing the new expansions and get more people hired, depending on what comes out of the ideation phase, aka what kind of EQ3 game are we making). They don't want to do the same error as they did with EQ2, splitting up the player base and people either going back to EQ, quit playing both EQ and EQ2 entirely, and lots of players jumping ship to WoW again, which happened back in 2004/2005. Just my thoughts, let's hope that by the end of 2028 we will be playing EQ3 (4th quarter release anyone? 😅👍 ❤️). They own the IP, and it's a very known game, their most valuable, it might be that they allocate even more funds to it. Making these kind of games aren't easy, but it's probably the game that can make them and investors the most money, this game almost had 700k subs in 2000, I think that if they can get around 500k subs consistent or above, it will make more money than any of their other games. This that EQ has tons of lore and "zones", you name it, they have everything to make a very successful MMO, done right, but that's the hard part 😊👍 ❤️. See you all in Norrath.....
At this point I'd just be happy with face lifted EQ. Reboot the game with updated graphics and a modern UI and resolution/framerate support. launch fresh servers and progress through the entire catalogue with no krono and zero boxing or RMT allowed and enforced. If you can't make EQ3 happen of course.
No boxing a lot of people would not play. I say make 4 boxing servers the the rest none boxing. Kronos I don't mind. Get rid of station store and mercenaries. They also need to stick to new expansion every 12 to 18 months.
@@KwanX1 game is pretty much unplayable unless you box but boxing is such a hassle the game should have added a pawn system like dragons dogma and let you have a group of AI. No, EQ3 needs to be significantly more solo friendly if it wants to have even a chance.
I have been preparing myself for the reality that I will never enjoy a new MMO again. I think 1999 - 2010 was peak MMORPG. We are now living in a world so driven by greed that a good game will never survive a big studio's meddling. Small passion projects like M&M and Pantheon might be good but they always stand the very real chance of never being "released". Even games that check most of the MMO boxes can still fail if not enough people are actively playing (looking at you Embers and maybe Project Gorgon).
Honestly its entirely possible. Our best hopes are essentially a double AA MMO which would be less than the first games we played for the most part unless there is a course correction which I don't forsee from big companies that are public and cling to fiduciary responsibility to shove bad monetization into what could be half-decent games. I still wonder what would have happened with Vanguard if it hadn't been rushed out the door.
I think the bigger issue is using these games as an investment vehicles that are more profitable staying in development. Unfortunately modern monetization doesn't mesh well with rpg reward based gameplay loops, or the genre would be thriving.
it'll probably be some awful mobile game instead of an MMO though, with the EQ title. Current ownership crew certainly can not be trusted to do anything but chase the hype money train, rather than create something faithful to the IP. They've already shown this in their past, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@af6756 Won't happen. No matter how much people want that, the audience doesn't, and on top of this ya'll are so fragmented that you won't stay. Then you get toxic and the other pvpers start to leave.
Yep, developing PvP is a time waste. The likeliness that you do PvP absolutely right from the beginning is very low and you have to do it right to engage PvPers. If you fail to succeed in that they just leave. PvEers are usually more chill. Also, at least from my German/European perspective, the number of PvP players are much lower than PvE players.
@@Hamurator PVP devs are chasing the Fortnite / Call of duty crowd. 2 problems they run into: that crowd isn’t into MMOs and any game that devoted to PVP completely shuns the PVE crowd. They try to find a middle ground and alienate everyone.
They need to do what World of Warcraft did and make sure that EQ3 can run computers that are 5 years older than whatever their launch date turns out to be.
Some of the ideas were fantastic, voxels and more importantly AI controlled groups of NPCs rather than just scripted behaviour. I absolutely hated the WOW cartoon look.
EverQuest 3, 2029 for the 30th anniversary. - Lean on the AI ideas of EQN. - Chill out on the deformable terrain and multiclassing. - Really commit to new gods/history if doing that. Find a writer who's inspired by the EQ1 race lineup or something. They deserve better than World of Anagrams and Legally Distinct Misspellings. (Fite me 1v1.) - But either way, seriously target EQ1 vibes. - Bring back distinct homelands.
@@Ziplock9000 MUD roots I always want to say, Brad McQuaid was really open about that and I think it encapsulated well what MMORPGs have lost both on the MMO and RPG sides.
For Evercrack, I would do EQ 1.5, IE, same maps and character classes, and revamp the story lines. THEN work on EQ Whatever, with new classes, combat, progression systems, etc. But the same map/engine as 1.5.
I played EQ 1 when it came out up to about Gates of Discord... then I went to EQ2 and played off and on for some years after. I remember for ever that EQ Next was going to be a thing and I remember seeing demos where they were excited about being able to destroy environments, and having unique player built servers. My guess is that is still sitting on a shelf somewhere and may be a lot easier to make these days with UE 5 maybe? If I were the devs I would maybe bounce some ideas off of Larian studios to maybe position EQ3 as somehow a mix of BG 3 and EQ 1 - where you could have some really unique solo quest play that transitions into into more group and raid stuff at higher level.
Pantheon: rise of the fallen, is taking a long time to make but, that game had the og Everquest dev and should be the next EQ. They have spoken at length about the things they did in EQ that made it feel so good to player and want to make sure that goes into Pantheon.
EQOA was my wife and I's first MMO. I wish it hadn't been sunset. Still friends with someone we played pretty much every day with in game. We moved on to EQ2 for close to a decade. Playing ESO now.
Ok guys. Prepare to like this so we can actually have this idea seen by people who can make it happen. We need a partnership between FromSoftware and Daybreak Games to take the decades of EQ lore and put it into the Elden Rings format. Those of us who played EQ know you only needed a few buddies to experience the lore with, ER has that system. And original EQ was hard. Dying punished us, and we loved it. They could work together on this and basically have the framework of dlc (EQ patches) be implemented into that world for the next 20 years. It would be amazing for EQ fans, FromSoftware fans, Souls fans. You could even throw in a theatrical(easy mode) for the casual player to experience the vast lore of Norrath.
I'm a rabid EQ2 fan and no other MMO ever caught my attention since I quit EQ2 live (2016) and only been playing TLE from time to time. I never cared about EQN, didn't pre-order it, never liked anything about it. Personally I wouldn't mind EQ3 being EQ1 sequel 'done right' whatever that means for EQ1 fans, sounds good to me.
I tried ESO, GW2 and archeage which could have been the greatest mmorpg ever made if they didn't p2w it to death and finished it off with fresh start servers.
Take Everquest 1's depth of lore and quests, use Everquest 2's graphics, and you have EQ3. This way, everyone gets to keep all the characters they spent literal decades on and fell deeply in love with, while making the world more beautiful and enthralling in the process. Because if the future of EQ live servers is Laurion's Song levels of shallow and ugly, then TLPs are all they're gonna do.
After the EQN fiasco and them yanking Landmark out from under me, I've learned to hope for the best but expect the worst from Darkpaw. I'm not going to get my hopes up for a new MMO but would be extremely happy if it did happen. Yes i'm still bitter about Landmark being shut down, even more so than EQ Next being cancelled.
Champions of Norrath was peak multiplayer gaming back in the day. 4 of your friends all playing on the ps2 with the multi tap. Staying up all night. Good times!
I expect that Light No Fire will be have one gigantic server cluster so it counts for me as an MMO. And it has my highest hopes as Hello Games knows how to procedurally create landscapes and doesn't need to craft much by hand - which I see as a huge problem for the other projects especially the 40k MMO for which everyone does expect some kind of space travelling and exploring more than one planet.
Everquest as an IP is not in a good state atm for sustainability. DPG has made the unofficial announcement that this Dec will be the last live expansion and they are cutting back new content drastically and will rely on TLP for revenue to support through the next ~half decade of EQ3 development. Few things - This doesnt mean no new live content but more along lines of a new zone here and there and a new raid or mission here and there in monthly patches. And if they do what they are promising with decembers expansion it will be one of the biggest content expansions in a while and have some more lasting appeal. So why are they doing this? Teek was the single most successful TLP server they've ever done, more than half the subscribed accounts online at any given time are on that one server. So DPG is seeing it as the flip in what supplements what. It used to be TLPs supplemented live, a little extra cash to keep live going, but as it stands at surface level in 2024, live is only supplementing TLP. So why is this not the best? Teek is only successful for 1 reason. Last decembers expansion, Laurion's Song was the single worst expansion ever released. it was an unmitigated disaster. There's no exaggerating, there's no 'ohh well there was this, or that,' - it was the most unbalanced and smallest content expansion by miles, a true embarrassment for any other studio, not even the little like ldon/ykesha half expansions were as small. So Teek is comprised of a VAST majority of live players holding out for December. So what DPG has done is give up dollars for shiny dimes. Cause come december if the new expansion isnt a stellar never before seen home run of content that player base isnt going to stick around another 10+ months farting around/waiting and passing time on May's new TLP when there is no other new expansion on the horizon. They stated in may they're about 80k monthly subs, at this pace they'll be lucky if they have half that next year in Sep. They are not going to have the money to fund a new MMORPG and no ones investing from the outside in MMORPGs. It's not happening =/ I wish I was wrong, but i'm just not. =/
@@Ziplock9000 of course they cant have 3 games fighting for the same audience, but thats in 5 years, absolute best case scenario. But what happens in the next half decade? They've put into motion a plan that could wipe EQs revenue in half by end of next year, and you can see from the EG7 buyout a few years back that EQ is their main breadwinner. So where does the funding for EQ3 come from with EQ having the rug ripped out from under it.
When I hear the eq music starting in the video, I saluted until it ended haha. Your love for eq is something I relate to and really hope they come up with something good. In the last year i went back to eq1, and made a new 4 boxing crew and took them to lvl 125. I had such a blast leveling and exploring all the areas I missed or hadn’t been to Much and whatnot. It was challenging and rewarding and so fun, especially like level 95-120 imo. When I got to the end game though, even tho I was still in my guild The Silent Minority and raided, I got bored and went back to WoW. It still is though, in my opinion, the greatest MMO that has ever existed, and nothing I’ve played captures the feelings u get running around norrath.
I actually miss EQ Next and more over the Landmark. Landmark is still the best exploration/building game I have ever played. I'm sad it never came out for real.
I've played them all, but EQ by far. In this video I heard that music and I was back in early 2000 when I first played hearing it on the launch screen. Waiting to get my butt kicked as I went one on one vs a single Skeleton or perhaps a fire beatle and his friends in the Nektulos Forest hoping to make it back to where the guards might, perhaps save me from my newbie mistake.
I’m sure you had the same wake up call seeing Succulents and thinking they were funny one minute, only to be one shotted by them the next! “SOW for corpse run please!”
the magic of everquest is entirely lost by 2025: 1) lore telling through the world, not through text 2) world building that doesn't need the player to make sense; the world doesn't even want the players to beat it. in fact some of the most iconic parts of EQ were designed and then released and the developer literally advised players to not try. 3) gameplay mechanics that encourage actual interactions between players. this means not only did players need to be good at their job in a group, they also had time to talk while doing their jobs. some of the best snarky funny witty conversations are had playing everquest, but you never see this happen in any other MMO. 4) grinding not chain questing 5) not themepark, not railroad. actual open world. 6) the world reveals itself. no text is needed. most of these elements were long-lost by the time EQ hit PoP, and definitely not seen in EQ2. WoW classic had many of these aspects also, but they were all completely gone by WotLK. you will not find them in any game today, and there is no studio today that i am aware of that could build a game along these concepts becuase they are aligned with quick cash grabs from players before said players realize the game is empty and soul-less.
I would like an EQ that is super lore heavy. Gods making regular appearances and...Well I guess I need to think this through a little more.. But Just heavy heavy lore. That was always one of my favorite things about the game.
Standing Stone is under Daybreak. It does get a bit confusing though because there's EG7, Daybreak -> Darkpaw and Standing Stone. And on top of that for a long time before Eg7 bought daybreak Columbus Nova kind of hid that Standing Stone was under Daybreak. I kind of helps to think of Daybreak more like the publisher with Darkpaw (EQ and EQ2) and Standing Stone (LOTRO and DDO) as developers. And Eg7 is just above that owning it all and more.
I loved Champions of Norrath 1 and 2. I played it with my best friend these years ago so many many times. I think we played with every combination of classes and alignment possible. Especially the mini-games in the second game were pretty nice and a good fun between the Levels. These two really need a remake. In UE 5 with local Coop. Please. :)
I honestly was taken aback when you mentioned Star Citizen. Thought I had died and gone to heaven. Twelve years ago. Still trying to mend my broken heart. Better yet, prom date. LoL Anyway, great vid.
Man, I didn't know they were toying around with a warhammer mmo, and a 40k one at that. If they ever release that one I do hope all the factions will be playable and the armies I collect in real life won't just be shit on for the boys in blue again 😂
I type this AS I play EverQuest, lol. On the Oakwynd TLP. So, I love this game. More than any. But it's honestly getting a little stale. I've played the last 5 TLPs in a row, and I have BARELY played anything but that, in those years. But I think my most anticipated MMO right now, is one that would probably turn people away just because of the way it looks visually, but I got to play it in an open public test, and I had *SO MUCH FUN* that weekend, I've been itching to play it ever since, and that's EverCraft Online. I think you did a video about it as well, but, man, that game has a lot of charm and is SUPER promising. Not even Pantheon or MnM have my attention as much as ECO does!
Love your content Redbeard! Totally agree with you on the skepticism on the LotR MMO being up in the air. Pumped about anything Warhammer 40k MMO and EQ3 if & when it may ever come out!
We are definitely in dire need of a good (I stress, good) Sci-Fi MMO, so I'm hopeful for a 40k MMO. I appreciate the Star Trek Online mention. It's old and janky as hell but if you like the Star Trek universe it is *fantastic* for more Star Trek stories. It has a ton of great content, all for free, with no real need to use the cash shop.
I've played Lotro for 17 years. Amazon has done nothing but illustrate that they don't understand what the core demographic actually wants. Long live Lotro. The game is better now than it has ever been; use Reshade and it looks like a modern MMO-- even better if you have a computer that can handle ultra graphics. The best Amazon's game can hope for is to siphon off a small % of lotro's population and eventually put it out of business. It will never be a success and it may exist for 2 years just to cause problems and then disappear. Literally none of us want them to make a new MMO. All of the talk in the game is negative. Everyone is ashamed of what they've done with the brand.
EQ1 remade but with Breath of the Wild graphics, better leveling speed, Dragonflight's UI, and an improvement in quest item drop rates would be golden. Classic trilogy, plus Luclin and Planes of Power, then continue the series based in a new timeline. I would love it so hard.
I'm watching this from 3pm - 3.26pm GMT (I had to pause to go for a coffee) if that helps. Whilst I never played EQ1 and onlyplayed a little of EQ2 as I was well into WoW by the time a freind showed me (Having started out my MMO career on Silk Road followed by Rubies of Eventide) but I remember watching all the stuff for EQ Next with great interest and being sad when it vanished so I'm certainly interested in EQ3.
I'll believe any of them when they're actually fully launched, been burned too many times to even remember. We've heard EQ3 in how many different possible incarnations across sooo many years, I can't get any hype in me anymore as deeply as I'd LUV a good one. Light no Fire is a hopeful, just because they've proven themselves real mensch's of gaming development. If it's fun of course. A re-skin of no Man's Sky as fantasy won't do, but I think they're smart enough to know better then that.
I am very interested in Light No Fire. I have low hopes for TLoTR mmo, cause yeah, you said everything, but i love this universe and will still check it out.
Just put LOTRO on a new engine -> Thats all the newer LOTRO players complain about "meeh shitty graphics".....but meanwhile the game looks absolutely stunning at some places!
Jack Emmert is a nice guy, but I had a back-and-forth with him in early City of Heroes, and I couldn't understand how he was the head of a gaming company. I mean, collected "Influence" (City of Heroes' currency) was in the tens of millions, and he argued there was nothing to do with it because "heroes don't spend "money."" I hope he stays far away from my favorite IP.
I have to say I'm skeptical about any new games being released because it seems like "investors" have all the say in the design choices. But I am curious about Everquest although that's so many years out I wonder if it will ever reach the light of day.
Amazon has a serious problem with Lords of the Ring, namely Lord of the Ring Online. While it could use an Unreal 5 facelift and updated characters and combat, the base game is solid. So Amazon comes out with a crappy Lords of the Ring MMO, LotRO will take 80% of the customer base. And not let go for quite a while. That game has a LOT of content and a favorable community.
Great video my ginger brother! Remember when EverQuest had a digital card game that could give you rewards and be played while you were inside of EverQuest?! What if they brought Legends of Norrath back in that form but also with a mobile format? Give me your thoughts!
Really hope we see a solid everquest game again. The lore and world of norrath just isn't matched elsewhere.
Indeed as long as they don't keep going along the max/min dungeon slasher route EQ2 has been going down since SoF xpac.
Well there is a rpg game that is celebrating its 50th anniversary, Dungeons and Dragons, which Everquest took a lot of inspiration from (Wotc development played EQ and it inspired the 3rd edtion of the game, this is what I have heard at least).
Seeing how Hasbro are going more digital, and that their MMORPG aren't that good to be honest, and the massive amount that play and knows the different "settings" with its own lore, made right, I think it might have the potential to be the new king 👑 on the block.
Don't take me wrong, I so want a new EQ3 in Unreal engine 5 ❤, I think the 80% familiar is that they will use bits from both EQ and EQ2, then see what they can improve with 20% of the game being new.
30$ million is probably on the low end, but I can see them making EQ3 with perhaps around 50 million $, depending on investment, might be even more.
The problem I think they have is how do we make both EQ and EQ2 players and new players love our game, that's why they are in ideation phase until probably at the end of first quarter of 2025 (they need to be finishing the new expansions and get more people hired, depending on what comes out of the ideation phase, aka what kind of EQ3 game are we making).
They don't want to do the same error as they did with EQ2, splitting up the player base and people either going back to EQ, quit playing both EQ and EQ2 entirely, and lots of players jumping ship to WoW again, which happened back in 2004/2005.
Just my thoughts, let's hope that by the end of 2028 we will be playing EQ3 (4th quarter release anyone? 😅👍 ❤️).
They own the IP, and it's a very known game, their most valuable, it might be that they allocate even more funds to it.
Making these kind of games aren't easy, but it's probably the game that can make them and investors the most money, this game almost had 700k subs in 2000, I think that if they can get around 500k subs consistent or above, it will make more money than any of their other games.
This that EQ has tons of lore and "zones", you name it, they have everything to make a very successful MMO, done right, but that's the hard part 😊👍 ❤️.
See you all in Norrath.....
I like how every time when it's about EQ, he plays EQ theme ✨
I automaticly smile when I hear that Theme. 😂
Because it's awesome and iconic.
and it's the old school MIDI version too!
Best theme in existence
@testdep I was working listening to this and the theme hit and my arms got chills.
I bought into Next and was so upset it went away.
At this point I'd just be happy with face lifted EQ. Reboot the game with updated graphics and a modern UI and resolution/framerate support. launch fresh servers and progress through the entire catalogue with no krono and zero boxing or RMT allowed and enforced. If you can't make EQ3 happen of course.
I installed it a few months ago thinking maybe i could…nope couldn’t do it
No boxing a lot of people would not play. I say make 4 boxing servers the the rest none boxing. Kronos I don't mind. Get rid of station store and mercenaries. They also need to stick to new expansion every 12 to 18 months.
@@KwanX1 game is pretty much unplayable unless you box but boxing is such a hassle the game should have added a pawn system like dragons dogma and let you have a group of AI. No, EQ3 needs to be significantly more solo friendly if it wants to have even a chance.
I have been preparing myself for the reality that I will never enjoy a new MMO again. I think 1999 - 2010 was peak MMORPG. We are now living in a world so driven by greed that a good game will never survive a big studio's meddling. Small passion projects like M&M and Pantheon might be good but they always stand the very real chance of never being "released". Even games that check most of the MMO boxes can still fail if not enough people are actively playing (looking at you Embers and maybe Project Gorgon).
Honestly its entirely possible. Our best hopes are essentially a double AA MMO which would be less than the first games we played for the most part unless there is a course correction which I don't forsee from big companies that are public and cling to fiduciary responsibility to shove bad monetization into what could be half-decent games.
I still wonder what would have happened with Vanguard if it hadn't been rushed out the door.
I think Star Wars Galaxies before the new engine was the best MMO ever.
I think the bigger issue is using these games as an investment vehicles that are more profitable staying in development.
Unfortunately modern monetization doesn't mesh well with rpg reward based gameplay loops, or the genre would be thriving.
@@adjacent-smith passion > profit
@@zepho100 >playerbase
so excited for EQ3, I remember how blueballed we got with EQnext.
Imagine the people who paid $1000 for landmark lol
I still miss landmark.
it'll probably be some awful mobile game instead of an MMO though, with the EQ title. Current ownership crew certainly can not be trusted to do anything but chase the hype money train, rather than create something faithful to the IP. They've already shown this in their past, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@zarroth should have sold it to Steven when he had the chance.
@@williamlaprarie3007Was Landmark the one with 🤯 housing?
I keep hoping they release the game again. I never got to play it.
We absolutely need an eq3 mmorpg that can be played by all player types.
OMG, a mmo dev that isn’t all in on PVP? Miracle of miracles !
@@charlesminckler2978 I so wish at least one single decent PVP focused MMORPG would come into existence 😔. It's always just an afterthought.
@@af6756 Eve Online
@@af6756 Won't happen. No matter how much people want that, the audience doesn't, and on top of this ya'll are so fragmented that you won't stay. Then you get toxic and the other pvpers start to leave.
Yep, developing PvP is a time waste. The likeliness that you do PvP absolutely right from the beginning is very low and you have to do it right to engage PvPers. If you fail to succeed in that they just leave. PvEers are usually more chill.
Also, at least from my German/European perspective, the number of PvP players are much lower than PvE players.
@@Hamurator PVP devs are chasing the Fortnite / Call of duty crowd. 2 problems they run into: that crowd isn’t into MMOs and any game that devoted to PVP completely shuns the PVE crowd. They try to find a middle ground and alienate everyone.
They need to do what World of Warcraft did and make sure that EQ3 can run computers that are 5 years older than whatever their launch date turns out to be.
Light No Fire has potential to be so neat. Really wish they'd give us a bit more info lol
Give me EverQuest Next. This was the project with most potential.
I hated that fisher-price aesthetic
I kind of liked the look, myself, and I feel like it still holds up quality-wise a decade later.
If you like eq go Check out monster and memories
Some of the ideas were fantastic, voxels and more importantly AI controlled groups of NPCs rather than just scripted behaviour. I absolutely hated the WOW cartoon look.
@@Ziplock9000 the graphic style was even worse than WoW - it was literally Disney
EverQuest 3, 2029 for the 30th anniversary.
- Lean on the AI ideas of EQN.
- Chill out on the deformable terrain and multiclassing.
- Really commit to new gods/history if doing that. Find a writer who's inspired by the EQ1 race lineup or something. They deserve better than World of Anagrams and Legally Distinct Misspellings. (Fite me 1v1.)
- But either way, seriously target EQ1 vibes.
- Bring back distinct homelands.
Move close to cRPG roots rather than max/min aRPG route EQ2 went.
@@Ziplock9000 MUD roots I always want to say, Brad McQuaid was really open about that and I think it encapsulated well what MMORPGs have lost both on the MMO and RPG sides.
Sorry bro the crowd is too old. Nobody's going to connect with EQ
Warhammer 40k MMO would be awesome
Remember eternal crusade?
No it won’t it’ll be a soulless husk of what you know warhammer to be, familiar names and nothing else.
GW will only require you to rebuy the game every two years, and then randomly discontinue your characters.
@@billm9775 Ah, yes LOL
@@flankman9385 💀
For Evercrack, I would do EQ 1.5, IE, same maps and character classes, and revamp the story lines. THEN work on EQ Whatever, with new classes, combat, progression systems, etc. But the same map/engine as 1.5.
So happy MnM and Pantheon exist so I don't have to hold my breath for an EQ3. Not that I wouldn't play that too... probably ... um ...
I played EQ 1 when it came out up to about Gates of Discord... then I went to EQ2 and played off and on for some years after. I remember for ever that EQ Next was going to be a thing and I remember seeing demos where they were excited about being able to destroy environments, and having unique player built servers. My guess is that is still sitting on a shelf somewhere and may be a lot easier to make these days with UE 5 maybe?
If I were the devs I would maybe bounce some ideas off of Larian studios to maybe position EQ3 as somehow a mix of BG 3 and EQ 1 - where you could have some really unique solo quest play that transitions into into more group and raid stuff at higher level.
Warhammer and EQ3 would both be great
hearing that midi music actually makes me tear up a bit. that game had a profound effect on my life.
Pantheon: rise of the fallen, is taking a long time to make but, that game had the og Everquest dev and should be the next EQ. They have spoken at length about the things they did in EQ that made it feel so good to player and want to make sure that goes into Pantheon.
Mate...that footage of running around in Everfrost near the ice river is causing major nostalgia pangs!
Thank you, Flynn, for not telling us to like and subscribe.
EQOA was my wife and I's first MMO. I wish it hadn't been sunset. Still friends with someone we played pretty much every day with in game. We moved on to EQ2 for close to a decade. Playing ESO now.
EQ 3?! I had no clue, please say it’s true. I’ve been out in the wilderness of terrible games for too long and I’m ready to go home.
Not me sitting here with two live accounts, a P99 account, and Quarm account.
Thank you for doing your part /salute
Describing Netease as a "mixed bag" doesn't even begin...
I’d love to learn and see more of EQ3 (or 4). I’d love to revive my monk of the Tranquil!
"Unless it's Gollum..." HA HA HA. Thank you for that laugh.
Thank you for watching! And glad you enjoyed.
Ok guys. Prepare to like this so we can actually have this idea seen by people who can make it happen. We need a partnership between FromSoftware and Daybreak Games to take the decades of EQ lore and put it into the Elden Rings format. Those of us who played EQ know you only needed a few buddies to experience the lore with, ER has that system. And original EQ was hard. Dying punished us, and we loved it. They could work together on this and basically have the framework of dlc (EQ patches) be implemented into that world for the next 20 years. It would be amazing for EQ fans, FromSoftware fans, Souls fans. You could even throw in a theatrical(easy mode) for the casual player to experience the vast lore of Norrath.
I'm a rabid EQ2 fan and no other MMO ever caught my attention since I quit EQ2 live (2016) and only been playing TLE from time to time.
I never cared about EQN, didn't pre-order it, never liked anything about it.
Personally I wouldn't mind EQ3 being EQ1 sequel 'done right' whatever that means for EQ1 fans, sounds good to me.
I tried ESO, GW2 and archeage which could have been the greatest mmorpg ever made if they didn't p2w it to death and finished it off with fresh start servers.
Take Everquest 1's depth of lore and quests, use Everquest 2's graphics, and you have EQ3. This way, everyone gets to keep all the characters they spent literal decades on and fell deeply in love with, while making the world more beautiful and enthralling in the process.
Because if the future of EQ live servers is Laurion's Song levels of shallow and ugly, then TLPs are all they're gonna do.
A redo of Warhammer fantasy (if done right) would have SO MUCH potential.
I actually liked the whole RvR play style
I would play an everquest survival craft in a heartbeat 💓
Nothing will replace the love I had for landmark though...
The moment you mentioned NetEase my heart sank. Devastating.
State of things unfortunately. The expectation of aggressive monetization is kind of a given for non-indie projects.
EQ1 with a facelift will not get a new audience and that is essential for a new game. It has to be EQ3.
You should keep an eye on Brighter Shores. I'm hyped for it.
Yeah I'm looking forward to it later this year. Covered it a bit already in other videos but really hoping to cover it more when it launches
After the EQN fiasco and them yanking Landmark out from under me, I've learned to hope for the best but expect the worst from Darkpaw. I'm not going to get my hopes up for a new MMO but would be extremely happy if it did happen. Yes i'm still bitter about Landmark being shut down, even more so than EQ Next being cancelled.
...I heard the EQ music across the room and I froze as chills traveled throughout my spine..
I know my audience 😉
What if, EQ3 is made in an iteration of EQ1 and then they decide to shut down the EQ1 servers. This is scary to think about.
@@_IamJr_ RS 3 all over again
I’d be okay with an EQ remaster with some QoL improvements
Champions of Norrath was peak multiplayer gaming back in the day. 4 of your friends all playing on the ps2 with the multi tap. Staying up all night. Good times!
Would love to play a modern port of Champions of Norrath!
Right!?
One day.. one day. The game I'm making won't be *just* a pipe dream. And we will all be playing it. (Mix of EQ1, Minecraft, and Daggerfall)
I expect that Light No Fire will be have one gigantic server cluster so it counts for me as an MMO. And it has my highest hopes as Hello Games knows how to procedurally create landscapes and doesn't need to craft much by hand - which I see as a huge problem for the other projects especially the 40k MMO for which everyone does expect some kind of space travelling and exploring more than one planet.
New EQ game would be amazing
Everquest as an IP is not in a good state atm for sustainability. DPG has made the unofficial announcement that this Dec will be the last live expansion and they are cutting back new content drastically and will rely on TLP for revenue to support through the next ~half decade of EQ3 development.
Few things - This doesnt mean no new live content but more along lines of a new zone here and there and a new raid or mission here and there in monthly patches. And if they do what they are promising with decembers expansion it will be one of the biggest content expansions in a while and have some more lasting appeal.
So why are they doing this? Teek was the single most successful TLP server they've ever done, more than half the subscribed accounts online at any given time are on that one server. So DPG is seeing it as the flip in what supplements what. It used to be TLPs supplemented live, a little extra cash to keep live going, but as it stands at surface level in 2024, live is only supplementing TLP.
So why is this not the best? Teek is only successful for 1 reason. Last decembers expansion, Laurion's Song was the single worst expansion ever released. it was an unmitigated disaster. There's no exaggerating, there's no 'ohh well there was this, or that,' - it was the most unbalanced and smallest content expansion by miles, a true embarrassment for any other studio, not even the little like ldon/ykesha half expansions were as small. So Teek is comprised of a VAST majority of live players holding out for December.
So what DPG has done is give up dollars for shiny dimes. Cause come december if the new expansion isnt a stellar never before seen home run of content that player base isnt going to stick around another 10+ months farting around/waiting and passing time on May's new TLP when there is no other new expansion on the horizon.
They stated in may they're about 80k monthly subs, at this pace they'll be lucky if they have half that next year in Sep.
They are not going to have the money to fund a new MMORPG and no ones investing from the outside in MMORPGs.
It's not happening =/
I wish I was wrong, but i'm just not. =/
Naa that just means you can't have 3 games all fighting for the same audience. This makes sense.
@@Ziplock9000 of course they cant have 3 games fighting for the same audience, but thats in 5 years, absolute best case scenario. But what happens in the next half decade? They've put into motion a plan that could wipe EQs revenue in half by end of next year, and you can see from the EG7 buyout a few years back that EQ is their main breadwinner. So where does the funding for EQ3 come from with EQ having the rug ripped out from under it.
When I hear the eq music starting in the video, I saluted until it ended haha. Your love for eq is something I relate to and really hope they come up with something good.
In the last year i went back to eq1, and made a new 4 boxing crew and took them to lvl 125. I had such a blast leveling and exploring all the areas I missed or hadn’t been to
Much and whatnot. It was challenging and rewarding and so fun, especially like level 95-120 imo. When I got to the end game though, even tho I was still in my guild The Silent Minority and raided, I got bored and went back to WoW.
It still is though, in my opinion, the greatest MMO that has ever existed, and nothing I’ve played captures the feelings u get running around norrath.
I’m still waiting for a real Ultima Online 2 or a real upgrade UO
I actually miss EQ Next and more over the Landmark. Landmark is still the best exploration/building game I have ever played. I'm sad it never came out for real.
It was too threatening to the legacy industry with its blueprint system and marketplace.
One thing I have realized is that I am going to be dead before ANY of these come out, including the ones confirmed in development.
Amazon best get LOTR MMO right. Personally I'd also love it to be set in the time frame of the Second Age.
I hope EQ 3 is what EQ 2 should have been just an evolution of EQ 1 where they got it right.
I've played them all, but EQ by far. In this video I heard that music and I was back in early 2000 when I first played hearing it on the launch screen. Waiting to get my butt kicked as I went one on one vs a single Skeleton or perhaps a fire beatle and his friends in the Nektulos Forest hoping to make it back to where the guards might, perhaps save me from my newbie mistake.
Controversial take: If any developer has a chance of preserving the lore and game longevity of a 40K MMO... It's Blizzard.
Blizzard should make it.
The next EQ would be more like EQ4 if you take the very short-lived Landmark into consideration, of EQ 5 if considering EQ: Next.
Amazon couldn't make a rose smell good.
Roses really smell like poo poo poo
I am waiting for EverQuest 3, finger crossed they get it right!
Ruins of Kunark was my favorite game ever. What a magical time and game. I would love to revisit Norrath again.
I’m sure you had the same wake up call seeing Succulents and thinking they were funny one minute, only to be one shotted by them the next!
“SOW for corpse run please!”
I still dream about pulling and tanking on my Shadow Knight. Hell of a grind it was back in the day.
I would absolutely try EQ3.
the magic of everquest is entirely lost by 2025:
1) lore telling through the world, not through text
2) world building that doesn't need the player to make sense; the world doesn't even want the players to beat it. in fact some of the most iconic parts of EQ were designed and then released and the developer literally advised players to not try.
3) gameplay mechanics that encourage actual interactions between players. this means not only did players need to be good at their job in a group, they also had time to talk while doing their jobs. some of the best snarky funny witty conversations are had playing everquest, but you never see this happen in any other MMO.
4) grinding not chain questing
5) not themepark, not railroad. actual open world.
6) the world reveals itself. no text is needed.
most of these elements were long-lost by the time EQ hit PoP, and definitely not seen in EQ2. WoW classic had many of these aspects also, but they were all completely gone by WotLK. you will not find them in any game today, and there is no studio today that i am aware of that could build a game along these concepts becuase they are aligned with quick cash grabs from players before said players realize the game is empty and soul-less.
I would like an EQ that is super lore heavy. Gods making regular appearances and...Well I guess I need to think this through a little more.. But Just heavy heavy lore. That was always one of my favorite things about the game.
Definitely Everquest. EQ2 was by far the most immersive mmo ever created.
EQ 3 Now! EQ 4EVAH!
Really like LOTRO. The team behind that OG MMO stays true to the lore, the world is also rich, and they pay homage to the legend himself… Tolkien!!
MnM baby! Still early but the feels are right there...can't wait.
Man.. I would be in big trouble with work, family… life in general if / when EQ 3 came out! 😂
I would be happy with a new version of EQ that is basically Eq1 with all the best features that really work for it but new graphics.
The idea of a Warhammer 40k MMO without PvP just doesn't make sense to me... it's kinda the whole point of Warhammer 40k.
That EQ midi hits hard.
Lotro isn't under Daybreak games btw its SSG (Standing Stone Games) and they have done a A+ job with the game.
Standing Stone is under Daybreak. It does get a bit confusing though because there's EG7, Daybreak -> Darkpaw and Standing Stone. And on top of that for a long time before Eg7 bought daybreak Columbus Nova kind of hid that Standing Stone was under Daybreak. I kind of helps to think of Daybreak more like the publisher with Darkpaw (EQ and EQ2) and Standing Stone (LOTRO and DDO) as developers. And Eg7 is just above that owning it all and more.
@@Redbeardflynn I stand corrected! I didn't realize they were under DBG 🫡
I really loved playing EQ2 when it came out. Preferred the depth it had over WoW etc rather than simplicity.
Have you tried the origins server daybreak launched this year? They did a great job re-creating EQ2 at launch.
@@Redbeardflynn I haven't, no!
I loved Champions of Norrath 1 and 2. I played it with my best friend these years ago so many many times. I think we played with every combination of classes and alignment possible. Especially the mini-games in the second game were pretty nice and a good fun between the Levels. These two really need a remake. In UE 5 with local Coop. Please. :)
I honestly was taken aback when you mentioned Star Citizen. Thought I had died and gone to heaven. Twelve years ago. Still trying to mend my broken heart. Better yet, prom date. LoL Anyway, great vid.
If Amazon makes a lord of the rings game it will be based on rings of power giving it a built in audience of dozens of players.
Id like to see the original everqueat built in UE5 with no zoneing and water content like archeage had. Open world housing and farming.
It's not an EQ game unless there are massive mob trains always headed towards entrance portal.
Man, I didn't know they were toying around with a warhammer mmo, and a 40k one at that. If they ever release that one I do hope all the factions will be playable and the armies I collect in real life won't just be shit on for the boys in blue again 😂
Thank you for making this content.
Thank you so much for watching!
The Current LOTR online is great but I had to quit because of the terrible servers and lag. A new one would be so cool.
I type this AS I play EverQuest, lol. On the Oakwynd TLP. So, I love this game. More than any. But it's honestly getting a little stale. I've played the last 5 TLPs in a row, and I have BARELY played anything but that, in those years. But I think my most anticipated MMO right now, is one that would probably turn people away just because of the way it looks visually, but I got to play it in an open public test, and I had *SO MUCH FUN* that weekend, I've been itching to play it ever since, and that's EverCraft Online. I think you did a video about it as well, but, man, that game has a lot of charm and is SUPER promising. Not even Pantheon or MnM have my attention as much as ECO does!
Love your content Redbeard! Totally agree with you on the skepticism on the LotR MMO being up in the air. Pumped about anything Warhammer 40k MMO and EQ3 if & when it may ever come out!
We are definitely in dire need of a good (I stress, good) Sci-Fi MMO, so I'm hopeful for a 40k MMO.
I appreciate the Star Trek Online mention. It's old and janky as hell but if you like the Star Trek universe it is *fantastic* for more Star Trek stories. It has a ton of great content, all for free, with no real need to use the cash shop.
I've played Lotro for 17 years. Amazon has done nothing but illustrate that they don't understand what the core demographic actually wants. Long live Lotro. The game is better now than it has ever been; use Reshade and it looks like a modern MMO-- even better if you have a computer that can handle ultra graphics. The best Amazon's game can hope for is to siphon off a small % of lotro's population and eventually put it out of business. It will never be a success and it may exist for 2 years just to cause problems and then disappear. Literally none of us want them to make a new MMO. All of the talk in the game is negative. Everyone is ashamed of what they've done with the brand.
I haven't played an MMO for many years, but I would check out a new WH MMO.
Light no fire looks cool but there's already an amazing warhammer fantasy mmo, a great lotr mmo, and everquest 99 is as active as ever.
EQ1 remade but with Breath of the Wild graphics, better leveling speed, Dragonflight's UI, and an improvement in quest item drop rates would be golden.
Classic trilogy, plus Luclin and Planes of Power, then continue the series based in a new timeline.
I would love it so hard.
I want more Champions of Norrath so bad lol they were the best console hack and slash of its time imo.
I'm so ready for a Champions of Norrath remaster 😢
Hear us, daybreak! I'm sure the rights of the game are convoluted given it was made by snowblind but still!
I'm watching this from 3pm - 3.26pm GMT (I had to pause to go for a coffee) if that helps. Whilst I never played EQ1 and onlyplayed a little of EQ2 as I was well into WoW by the time a freind showed me (Having started out my MMO career on Silk Road followed by Rubies of Eventide) but I remember watching all the stuff for EQ Next with great interest and being sad when it vanished so I'm certainly interested in EQ3.
no point talking about an EQ 3 honestly... if its happen its gonna be pantheon rise of the fallen and you know it
Great vid. I've been playing a little bit of asherons call 2 emulator lately its very unfinished and ruff but still nice to hop into.
I'll believe any of them when they're actually fully launched, been burned too many times to even remember. We've heard EQ3 in how many different possible incarnations across sooo many years, I can't get any hype in me anymore as deeply as I'd LUV a good one. Light no Fire is a hopeful, just because they've proven themselves real mensch's of gaming development. If it's fun of course. A re-skin of no Man's Sky as fantasy won't do, but I think they're smart enough to know better then that.
I am very interested in Light No Fire. I have low hopes for TLoTR mmo, cause yeah, you said everything, but i love this universe and will still check it out.
Just put LOTRO on a new engine -> Thats all the newer LOTRO players complain about "meeh shitty graphics".....but meanwhile the game looks absolutely stunning at some places!
Jack Emmert is a nice guy, but I had a back-and-forth with him in early City of Heroes, and I couldn't understand how he was the head of a gaming company.
I mean, collected "Influence" (City of Heroes' currency) was in the tens of millions, and he argued there was nothing to do with it because "heroes don't spend "money.""
I hope he stays far away from my favorite IP.
I have to say I'm skeptical about any new games being released because it seems like "investors" have all the say in the design choices. But I am curious about Everquest although that's so many years out I wonder if it will ever reach the light of day.
Eq3 would be awesome
Jaded by EQN, much as i want a eq3, have a hard time having any faith.
Amazon has a serious problem with Lords of the Ring, namely Lord of the Ring Online. While it could use an Unreal 5 facelift and updated characters and combat, the base game is solid. So Amazon comes out with a crappy Lords of the Ring MMO, LotRO will take 80% of the customer base. And not let go for quite a while. That game has a LOT of content and a favorable community.
Great video my ginger brother! Remember when EverQuest had a digital card game that could give you rewards and be played while you were inside of EverQuest?! What if they brought Legends of Norrath back in that form but also with a mobile format? Give me your thoughts!
God bless all things EQ but Monsters and Memories is what we all truly need :)
I remember having a lot of fun with the Everquest RTS.... now I want to go back and see if it was a good as I remember