Hey Rob . I’m a student of yours for the last few months and your teachings have been a literal game changer for me! This video however has been the light bulb moment I’ve needed ! Thanks so much mate your content is much appreciated ❤
You"ve helped me in so many ways with your coaching technique but this might just be the most important to me. As an ex-jock I've always had over active hips and this will slow me down. Thanks much-Be well-Russ
Rob, Another great video and great content. Andy Plummer and Steve Sieracki both had me doing this at my sessions with them and it's made a world of difference in consistency of strike and a push draw shot shape. Keep the great videos coming. You're site is the best there is for us "average" golfers to improve our games.
@ Rob, You’re more than welcome. I hope people that visit and enjoy this site will also go see your video content over on the HackMotion Golf UA-cam site as that content is also awesome! And finally, I hope everyone who sees this post also checks out Rob‘s new 10 part video series on “How to Draw Every Ball” as it is a great educational tool on how to improve your golf swing!
Brilliant tip, and great explanation of why it works. Had a lesson in the summer, and was instructed to do this and woah the difference in ball striking and confidence was immense. I'm very broad due to years of bodybuilding, and always swayed massively of the ball so had very inconsistent ball striking. I now stripe the ball going from shooting in the 90's to the 80's. Was never explained why it works, but now I know.. Thanks 👍
Same here. I’m hitting a lot of draws now and finding a lot of fairways. Setting the right foot back helps me visualize bringing the club head into the ball with a slightly in to out swing. This is a great video and a pretty simple technique!
In Hogan's Five Lessons he lays out diagrammatically exactly how he makes this exact setup adjustment and ties it into the length of the club he is swinging. He also makes the point of keeping his right foot square to the target to insure he does not allow the hips to over-rotate. Thanks Rob!
I’m always impressed with your videos Mr. Cheney. This one might be one of your best. Such excellent explanation and demonstration of how this fixes so many things. My dad experimented with the flamingo drill (which puts you in a very similar position) and he had one of his best rounds. This is gold and he and I will be sure to give this a go.
Great video Rob! I've been pulling the trail leg back & flaring my feet out since I found you a few years ago & it makes a big difference for an old timer like me.
I’ve been doling this for a bit now and massively improved the longer clubs. You just need to play around with each club and how far back you want to pull the rear foot and you’ll see more/less draw
No secret about the effects of a closed stance But there is a negative tradeoff from a closed stance Less ability to rotate your pelvis on the downswing forcing a golfer into a more arms/ hands downswing. While some might find it beneficial to experiment with a closed , stance others might it hurts more than it helps .Some might even find it better to use a slightly open stance ( front foot pulled back ) , which will facilitate rotation going down. Before adopting either an open stance or aclosed stance , it might be better to experiment with a flaring one or both feet outward .
Another fantastic tip! I do this but placing it back a little further the longer the club really helps, especially with the driver! Much better shallowing of the club and more club speed. Stack and tilt!! Thanks Rob!
Off to the 1st tee in an hour... it's be a warm and humid 30 degrees here in on the NSW Central Coast, and I'm going to give this a try. Anything to reduce the amount of walking off to the right, hunting for the ball in amongst the trees :D
@@robcheneygolf1 was better but I was hooking it a bit, though it was certainly travelling before hitting a tree or six. I can generally hit it it straight or with a slight fade but struggle with distance, so will definitely keep practicing 😁
What happens to the shoulder line at setup when you adopt the closed hip stance? Are the shoulders square or closed to the ball-target line? Thanks Rob.
Hi Randy. The upper body (shoulders) will stay mostly square/neutral. If they do close slightly during the process of pulling the trail foot back, that's ok. But you do not need to close your shoulders off to the same extent as the feet. Hope that clarifies things for you.
I am Actually trying to hit a bit of a pull fade. When I trade it hit a fade my face and path is somewhere between 1-2° I get to far I/O when trying to hit a push draw. I overswing as actually turn my upper body and look back. I need to shorten and get a little more lined up left so basically I’m opposite of this. 😬🤷
I see, thanks for sharing that! But I actually swing LESS I/O using this set-up as I am forced to swing my arms faster in the downswing to straighten the swing direction. Try it - it completely transformed my game - I made a video on it here - ua-cam.com/video/RqtaeEfK0_A/v-deo.htmlsi=g1kb7WjkboAYy7dZ
Not at all, you can still get all of your weight to your left side doing this. As mentioned in the video, it does help to reduce a common issue of over rotation (over turning) in the follow-through.
Rob, excellent video. One question about shoulder alignment adjustment, though. If you close your stance like this, what kind of setup tweaks do you suggest?
Adhere to S&T and it's been good for me ! Have been moving my trail foot back as well and it's also a benefit ! Of late I have tried to narrow my stance and be a bit more neutral grip club face orientation etc - ie a little bit at a time - gentle swing always find more centre of face - When it all comes together it's excellent. That isn't always ! - so swing easy !
I have adopted a version of this in my full swing this past season. Only I go full on flamingo or stork stance. My ball striking feels like it has improved and been simplified. I started doing this because I would always hit it well in the flamingo drill. Do you see a big difference between a flamingo stance vs your right foot back (which seems more like taking a closed foot stance)?
I use this setup to help discourage an over the top swing. However, I still struggle to get a consistent in to out swing path. Tucking the right elbow in helps. Typically I’m about 2 to 3 degrees o to I. Any suggestions how to stop my shoulder issue?
Is that Charles Howell III you used as your first example pro swing? Flaring the rear foot out is another way to let the rear hip rotate deeper, and keep it back longer. Granted I suspect when most people go to set their right foot back they'd automatically flare it at the same time. A potential negative I could see as an offshoot of pulling the rear foot back is someone could excessively close the rest of their alignment too. From there they may have a lot of misses to the right. Then to counter that they start making pulling motions with their arms and upper body to compensate. It's an ugly combination I've seen done by other players far too often.
UA-cam golf instruction = "Pick your poison" 😂 I have stop watching a time ago after getting my fundamentals. But i still get vids in my feed, is like YT wants you to start "gambling" again lol. I JUST got a vid suggested, and the title was "Stop this before its to late", and its about placing the trail foot back like you show now LOL..For me its just a giggle now, but i feel sry for all the confused ppl out there, that are stuck in this limbo, and probably dont even have time to play and try all the diffrent things, before already changing..Tiger said "stop watch YT", wich in theory sounds good, but everyone knows ppl cant do that. Plus coaches (everyone is a "coach" nowdays) need to push content, so its never gonna stop..Btw this is no critic to you, you are brilliant and the results ofc speaks for them self. Just wanted to get it of, since that video title summed it up so perfect ➡⬅ Cheers
A very fair and balanced perspective. One of my favourite quotes is "the complexities of the truth are inconvenient for both sides". Nobody really wants to put the hard work in that's necessary to develop and progress in any meaningful way. But kudos to you for calling it out and I agree it's a minefield out there for the golfing masses!
@@robcheneygolf1 now im lost , i can hit a push fade but only done so from open stance, not a closed one , im going to try it but id love to see a video or diagram
How interesting. Just watched a vid that explains why this is a VERY BAD idea. It may work for a week or two but will hurt your game alot in the long run by forcing an out to in swing and causing difficulties during the follow through leading to dangerous back injuries over time.
You may not be surprised to hear I don't agree that this would (necessarily) "force" an out-to-in swing over time. However, it's fair to say that this will help some people more than others, and it may even hurt someone's game if they applied it incorrectly. One of my favourite quotes is "the complexities of the truth are inconvenient for both sides". Nobody really wants to put the hard work in that's necessary to develop and progress in any meaningful way, so people jump from video to video on YT looking for the holy grail (which doesn't really exist), and so the cycle continues... It's a minefield out there for the golfing masses!
As I mentioned before , a closed stance is not a panacea , but it might very well be beneficial for those golfers with restricted backswings or over the top downswings It will definitely result in a more Into/out downswing . I am not sure how it would exacerbate back injuries To avoid back injuries it might be better to emphasize setting up in a “ neutral spine” and avoid the flat back of some tour pros.
Your headline says "Youv'e been lied to...". This is obviously ludicrous and is a red flag for your credibility. Golf, like tennis, is a game of civility and maturity. Time to acquire some class.
@@robcheneygolf1 You mean, like just about every top pro does on every shot? Come on, Rob, you haven't suddenly found the Holy Grail. It's a useful practice drill, which is how you initially presented it. Why do S&T guys always have to exaggerate, and pretend that actually every pro plays that way? The vast majority don't. Your way works for some, great, just leave it at that.
@@robcheneygolf1 My post was not about the quality of what I was taught; it's about the ludicrous claim that it was a "lie." A lie is a willful deception. A pro is not a liar because he or she does not teach what you do. My point is - try not to use inflammatory language in your video headlines. It hurts your credibility. You're welcome.
@@robcheneygolf1 They all start with >70% weight on their front foot and increase that through the swing, never shifting weight to the right side? That's what most people understand as the core premise of S&T. If that's not the case, blame Mr Saguto, who is the most prominent S&T guy on YT.
Hey Rob . I’m a student of yours for the last few months and your teachings have been a literal game changer for me! This video however has been the light bulb moment I’ve needed ! Thanks so much mate your content is much appreciated ❤
You"ve helped me in so many ways with your coaching technique but this might just be the most important to me. As an ex-jock I've always had over active hips and this will slow me down. Thanks much-Be well-Russ
I'm glad it's resonating with you, Russ!
Rob, Another great video and great content. Andy Plummer and Steve Sieracki both had me doing this at my sessions with them and it's made a world of difference in consistency of strike and a push draw shot shape.
Keep the great videos coming. You're site is the best there is for us "average" golfers to improve our games.
Thanks for your kind words and for sharing the connection to those two great coaches.
@ Rob, You’re more than welcome.
I hope people that visit and enjoy this site will also go see your video content over on the HackMotion Golf UA-cam site as that content is also awesome!
And finally, I hope everyone who sees this post also checks out Rob‘s new 10 part video series on “How to Draw Every Ball” as it is a great educational tool on how to improve your golf swing!
Brilliant tip, and great explanation of why it works. Had a lesson in the summer, and was instructed to do this and woah the difference in ball striking and confidence was immense. I'm very broad due to years of bodybuilding, and always swayed massively of the ball so had very inconsistent ball striking. I now stripe the ball going from shooting in the 90's to the 80's. Was never explained why it works, but now I know.. Thanks 👍
Thank you! Thanks for sharing your experience. 👍🏻
Been doing this for about 4 months now. Absolutely helps with more power and greatly improves draw bias. I'm totally sold.
Glad you’re seeing results! 💪🏻
Same here. I’m hitting a lot of draws now and finding a lot of fairways. Setting the right foot back helps me visualize bringing the club head into the ball with a slightly in to out swing. This is a great video and a pretty simple technique!
In Hogan's Five Lessons he lays out diagrammatically exactly how he makes this exact setup adjustment and ties it into the length of the club he is swinging. He also makes the point of keeping his right foot square to the target to insure he does not allow the hips to over-rotate. Thanks Rob!
Thanks for sharing this insight from Hogan!
I’m always impressed with your videos Mr. Cheney. This one might be one of your best. Such excellent explanation and demonstration of how this fixes so many things. My dad experimented with the flamingo drill (which puts you in a very similar position) and he had one of his best rounds. This is gold and he and I will be sure to give this a go.
I appreciate your kind words. Glad to hear you and your dad are going to give this a try!
Great video Rob! I've been pulling the trail leg back & flaring my feet out since I found you a few years ago & it makes a big difference for an old timer like me.
I'm glad it's working for you! Keep grinding!
I’ve been doling this for a bit now and massively improved the longer clubs. You just need to play around with each club and how far back you want to pull the rear foot and you’ll see more/less draw
Rob, I've gone 100 percent to playing like this with all my clubs. This works!
Yes! 💯
No secret about the effects of a closed stance
But there is a negative tradeoff from a closed stance
Less ability to rotate your pelvis on the downswing forcing a golfer into a more arms/ hands downswing.
While some might find it beneficial to experiment with a closed , stance others might it hurts more than it helps .Some might even find it better to use a slightly open stance ( front foot pulled back ) , which will facilitate rotation going down.
Before adopting either an open stance or aclosed stance , it might be better to experiment with a flaring one or both feet outward .
You make some interesting points. Thank you.
I will add this to my pre shot routine
Yes, sir! 👍🏻
Another fantastic tip! I do this but placing it back a little further the longer the club really helps, especially with the driver! Much better shallowing of the club and more club speed. Stack and tilt!! Thanks Rob!
I'm glad you're seeing the benefits of this tip!
Off to the 1st tee in an hour... it's be a warm and humid 30 degrees here in on the NSW Central Coast, and I'm going to give this a try. Anything to reduce the amount of walking off to the right, hunting for the ball in amongst the trees :D
Let me know how it goes! Good luck!
@@robcheneygolf1 was better but I was hooking it a bit, though it was certainly travelling before hitting a tree or six. I can generally hit it it straight or with a slight fade but struggle with distance, so will definitely keep practicing 😁
Thanks for your video 👍. Any disadvantages in pulling your trail leg back ? Greetings from Luxembourg 🇱🇺
It can limit rotation in the follow-through, but as mentioned in the video, that's usually a GOOD thing for most amateur golfers.
Can we give Jim Venetos some credit for this? He has been teaching this for years. I’m sure though he’s not the first 🤷♂️
I’ve not heard of Jim Venetos, but if he teaches the trail foot back then he clearly knows what he’s doing! 👍🏻
What happens to the shoulder line at setup when you adopt the closed hip stance? Are the shoulders square or closed to the ball-target line? Thanks Rob.
Same question I have.
Hi Randy. The upper body (shoulders) will stay mostly square/neutral. If they do close slightly during the process of pulling the trail foot back, that's ok. But you do not need to close your shoulders off to the same extent as the feet. Hope that clarifies things for you.
I answered above 👍🏻
I am
Actually trying to hit a bit of a pull fade. When I trade it hit a fade my face and path is somewhere between 1-2° I get to far I/O when trying to hit a push draw. I overswing as actually turn my upper body and look back. I need to shorten and get a little more lined up left so basically I’m opposite of this. 😬🤷
I see, thanks for sharing that! But I actually swing LESS I/O using this set-up as I am forced to swing my arms faster in the downswing to straighten the swing direction. Try it - it completely transformed my game - I made a video on it here - ua-cam.com/video/RqtaeEfK0_A/v-deo.htmlsi=g1kb7WjkboAYy7dZ
Hi Rob, another great video. Does this technique also apply to the wedges? Thanks.
Absolutely 👍🏻 💯
Great video as always, Rob. Does this technique hinder the finish where most (if not all) of your weight is on the left side? Thanks again!
Not at all, you can still get all of your weight to your left side doing this. As mentioned in the video, it does help to reduce a common issue of over rotation (over turning) in the follow-through.
Thanks, Rob! Your videos have transformed my ball striking
Thanks Rob as always. I look forward to meeting you February 1st in Florida.
Rob, excellent video. One question about shoulder alignment adjustment, though. If you close your stance like this, what kind of setup tweaks do you suggest?
Shoulders stay relatively neutral. Just pull the foot back and if the shoulders close slightly, that’s ok.
Adhere to S&T and it's been good for me !
Have been moving my trail foot back as well and it's also a benefit !
Of late I have tried to narrow my stance and be a bit more neutral grip club face orientation etc - ie a little bit at a time - gentle swing always find more centre of face -
When it all comes together it's excellent.
That isn't always ! - so swing easy !
Thank you for taking the time to comment and share your story! 👍🏻
I have adopted a version of this in my full swing this past season. Only I go full on flamingo or stork stance. My ball striking feels like it has improved and been simplified. I started doing this because I would always hit it well in the flamingo drill. Do you see a big difference between a flamingo stance vs your right foot back (which seems more like taking a closed foot stance)?
Does this work with the wrench?
Yes, sir! 🔧
I use this setup to help discourage an over the top swing. However, I still struggle to get a consistent in to out swing path. Tucking the right elbow in helps. Typically I’m about 2 to 3 degrees o to I. Any suggestions how to stop my shoulder issue?
Full swing version of the wrench basically? Shoulder line square to the target, not just aiming right, correct?
Correct ✅
Is that Charles Howell III you used as your first example pro swing? Flaring the rear foot out is another way to let the rear hip rotate deeper, and keep it back longer. Granted I suspect when most people go to set their right foot back they'd automatically flare it at the same time. A potential negative I could see as an offshoot of pulling the rear foot back is someone could excessively close the rest of their alignment too. From there they may have a lot of misses to the right. Then to counter that they start making pulling motions with their arms and upper body to compensate. It's an ugly combination I've seen done by other players far too often.
Yes, CHIII in the video. If you know how to move your arms, then right foot back is a HUGELY beneficial way to swing.
Great video once again Rob. I'd imagine this works for hybrids? Are there any specifics for a hybrid?
Works for the hybrids as well. Same set-up as the other clubs.
UA-cam golf instruction = "Pick your poison" 😂 I have stop watching a time ago after getting my fundamentals. But i still get vids in my feed, is like YT wants you to start "gambling" again lol. I JUST got a vid suggested, and the title was "Stop this before its to late", and its about placing the trail foot back like you show now LOL..For me its just a giggle now, but i feel sry for all the confused ppl out there, that are stuck in this limbo, and probably dont even have time to play and try all the diffrent things, before already changing..Tiger said "stop watch YT", wich in theory sounds good, but everyone knows ppl cant do that. Plus coaches (everyone is a "coach" nowdays) need to push content, so its never gonna stop..Btw this is no critic to you, you are brilliant and the results ofc speaks for them self. Just wanted to get it of, since that video title summed it up so perfect ➡⬅ Cheers
A very fair and balanced perspective. One of my favourite quotes is "the complexities of the truth are inconvenient for both sides". Nobody really wants to put the hard work in that's necessary to develop and progress in any meaningful way. But kudos to you for calling it out and I agree it's a minefield out there for the golfing masses!
Rob, would this work even if i don’t use stack and tilt ??
Yes, it would... but why would you not use Stack&Tilt? 😉
I’m interested in your alignment rods. Where can I find them?
@ TEE CLAW from www.teeclaw.com
i like to draw the ball but what if i need to hit a fade occasionally, what then
You can simply open the club face to the path and you'd hit a push fade.
@@robcheneygolf1 now im lost , i can hit a push fade but only done so from open stance, not a closed one , im going to try it but id love to see a video or diagram
Hi All!🙂
👋
nice simulator setup
Thank you!
How interesting.
Just watched a vid that explains why this is a VERY BAD idea.
It may work for a week or two but will hurt your game alot in the long run by forcing an out to in swing and causing difficulties during the follow through leading to dangerous back injuries over time.
You may not be surprised to hear I don't agree that this would (necessarily) "force" an out-to-in swing over time. However, it's fair to say that this will help some people more than others, and it may even hurt someone's game if they applied it incorrectly. One of my favourite quotes is "the complexities of the truth are inconvenient for both sides". Nobody really wants to put the hard work in that's necessary to develop and progress in any meaningful way, so people jump from video to video on YT looking for the holy grail (which doesn't really exist), and so the cycle continues...
It's a minefield out there for the golfing masses!
As I mentioned before , a closed stance is not a panacea , but it might very well be beneficial for those golfers with restricted backswings or over the top downswings
It will definitely result in a more Into/out downswing .
I am not sure how it would exacerbate back injuries
To avoid back injuries it might be better to emphasize setting up in a “ neutral spine” and avoid the flat back of some tour pros.
Your headline says "Youv'e been lied to...". This is obviously ludicrous and is a red flag for your credibility. Golf, like tennis, is a game of civility and maturity. Time to acquire some class.
Really? Have you never heard the instruction that you need to aim your feet "square" or "parallel" to the target to hit straight shots?
@@robcheneygolf1 You mean, like just about every top pro does on every shot? Come on, Rob, you haven't suddenly found the Holy Grail. It's a useful practice drill, which is how you initially presented it. Why do S&T guys always have to exaggerate, and pretend that actually every pro plays that way? The vast majority don't. Your way works for some, great, just leave it at that.
@@Ken-jf1cm if you understood anything about S&T, you'd know that EVERY top player demonstrates the basic movements. Every single one. Period.
@@robcheneygolf1 My post was not about the quality of what I was taught; it's about the ludicrous claim that it was a "lie." A lie is a willful deception. A pro is not a liar because he or she does not teach what you do. My point is - try not to use inflammatory language in your video headlines. It hurts your credibility. You're welcome.
@@robcheneygolf1 They all start with >70% weight on their front foot and increase that through the swing, never shifting weight to the right side? That's what most people understand as the core premise of S&T. If that's not the case, blame Mr Saguto, who is the most prominent S&T guy on YT.