Jaime is the textbook definition of treat someone like a villain long enough and they become a villian? The man has been trying to make logical decisions for this family which isn't even his, yet he is made a villain by John and Beth. I am glad he is fighting back after years of emotional, psychological and physical abuse he had to endure. John and Beth are the reason Jamie is the way he is. It always bothered me how people make Jamie out to be the bad guy without looking at the context. He's no angel, but compared to the rest of the family, he's a saint. He isn't at all selfish, hence him saying he doesn't want the ranch for himself. Rather, for his nephew and son. It all starts when he was 17. Back then, John asks Jamie what he wants to be when he grows up. Jamie said with a big smile on his face, "You, Dad. I wanna be just like you and do your job." But then, John said "Well, son, I want you to go to school to be a lawyer." Jamie's smile immediately disappeared and he was clearly shocked and disappointed (even asking some questions on the why). He was shocked because he knows John hates lawyers, but John's only response was "Be one I like." Because Jamie was so loyal, he did what he was told. As far as the Beth abortion issue, that scene clearly took place not long after his above-mentioned Lawyer thing with John, hence Jamie saying it was his last day on the ranch. Jamie, again, was only 17. Barely older than Beth. She wasn't asking him for lunch money or handling a bully. She asked him to help her gut a baby in secret. A teenaged girl has no business asking her teenaged brother to handle an adult-level situation like that. And secrecy is basically impossible when your family is ranching royalty. And if people paid attention to Jamie's facial expressions and body language, they would realize he was hesitant to have her go through with the procedure that would render her barren. But in his teenaged brain, combined with seeing how scared and desperate she was, this was the only way. He didn't do it out of spite. He did it out of love. 20 years later, Jamie has faithfully served John and the ranch and yet you can see in the first episode, before Beth even came home, that John seemed to treat him indifferently and refused to listen to his sound advice. Jamie told his Dad that the ranch needed money and that his old -school wild west approach to protecting cattle and preserving the land was a bad idea, but he didn't listen because of his stubbornness and recklessness. And because he didn't listen to him, the mission went sideways and Lee was killed. Jamie also warned John about Beth, how she would end up tearing the family apart and that the longer she stayed on the ranch, the worse she'll be. We see he was right about that too. Since then, John has yelled at, cursed at, threatened, disrupted, and even hit Jamie despite his years of loyalty and service. To think, all Jamie wanted was to be a cowboy and rancher like his Dad. He never wanted to or asked to be a lawyer or politician. His Dad looks down on him for being the very thing he forced him to be, when he didn't even want to be the thing in the first place. Jamie was always the most loyal of the four Dutton kids in the sense of being what his Dad told him to be and do. Lee didn't want to mingle with people to build relations with the ranch, Beth moved to SLC to be a financier (and has made it clear on many occasions that she doesn't care about the ranch), and Kayce relocated to the reservation with his wife and son to train horses. Jamie, however, sacrificed his dreams to be a good son and all he got in return was contempt, mistreatment, and belittlement. I, for one, am glad he has turned on his toxic family and really hopes he brings them down, especially Beth. That triumphant tirade against her when she broke into his house was just the tip of the iceberg I suspect... His family is not the world's standards. That's the whole point. The Dutton's aren't inherently wrong, but neither is Jamie. That's the problem. This show tries to frame it as the Dutton's are flawed, but are still in the right. They aren't. "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth." [In this case, it's a ranch.] His father drilled it into him to save the ranch at all cost... never really treated him as his son, and his daughter constantly bullied him, threatened him, and said she would take his child from him. He did everything for the family, apologized for a youthful mistake, and when his father did everything to lose the ranch he demanded jamie protect, he went against his father to do so. The abortion itself wasn't the problem she had. It was him getting her a hysterectomy without telling her until it was too late.
In 1883 (TV Series), the Indian tells Duttom that after 7 generations they would lose the land. Not lose it, but return it to their people, and Tate is one of his people. Tate is half Indian and white. If you pay attention, the Indian says that the land would return to them and his grandson is half Indian and if you count, he is the seventh generation, so it's all in the same place hahaha So the prophecy could be different? Theory? That's right! In theory, Tate would inherit and share the land with the Indians, but let's see how it plays out in the series.
Jaime is the textbook definition of treat someone like a villain long enough and they become a villian?
The man has been trying to make logical decisions for this family which isn't even his, yet he is made a villain by John and Beth. I am glad he is fighting back after years of emotional, psychological and physical abuse he had to endure.
John and Beth are the reason Jamie is the way he is. It always bothered me how people make Jamie out to be the bad guy without looking at the context. He's no angel, but compared to the rest of the family, he's a saint. He isn't at all selfish, hence him saying he doesn't want the ranch for himself. Rather, for his nephew and son. It all starts when he was 17.
Back then, John asks Jamie what he wants to be when he grows up. Jamie said with a big smile on his face, "You, Dad. I wanna be just like you and do your job." But then, John said "Well, son, I want you to go to school to be a lawyer." Jamie's smile immediately disappeared and he was clearly shocked and disappointed (even asking some questions on the why). He was shocked because he knows John hates lawyers, but John's only response was "Be one I like." Because Jamie was so loyal, he did what he was told.
As far as the Beth abortion issue, that scene clearly took place not long after his above-mentioned Lawyer thing with John, hence Jamie saying it was his last day on the ranch. Jamie, again, was only 17. Barely older than Beth. She wasn't asking him for lunch money or handling a bully. She asked him to help her gut a baby in secret. A teenaged girl has no business asking her teenaged brother to handle an adult-level situation like that. And secrecy is basically impossible when your family is ranching royalty. And if people paid attention to Jamie's facial expressions and body language, they would realize he was hesitant to have her go through with the procedure that would render her barren. But in his teenaged brain, combined with seeing how scared and desperate she was, this was the only way. He didn't do it out of spite. He did it out of love.
20 years later, Jamie has faithfully served John and the ranch and yet you can see in the first episode, before Beth even came home, that John seemed to treat him indifferently and refused to listen to his sound advice. Jamie told his Dad that the ranch needed money and that his old -school wild west approach to protecting cattle and preserving the land was a bad idea, but he didn't listen because of his stubbornness and recklessness. And because he didn't listen to him, the mission went sideways and Lee was killed. Jamie also warned John about Beth, how she would end up tearing the family apart and that the longer she stayed on the ranch, the worse she'll be. We see he was right about that too. Since then, John has yelled at, cursed at, threatened, disrupted, and even hit Jamie despite his years of loyalty and service.
To think, all Jamie wanted was to be a cowboy and rancher like his Dad. He never wanted to or asked to be a lawyer or politician. His Dad looks down on him for being the very thing he forced him to be, when he didn't even want to be the thing in the first place. Jamie was always the most loyal of the four Dutton kids in the sense of being what his Dad told him to be and do. Lee didn't want to mingle with people to build relations with the ranch, Beth moved to SLC to be a financier (and has made it clear on many occasions that she doesn't care about the ranch), and Kayce relocated to the reservation with his wife and son to train horses. Jamie, however, sacrificed his dreams to be a good son and all he got in return was contempt, mistreatment, and belittlement.
I, for one, am glad he has turned on his toxic family and really hopes he brings them down, especially Beth. That triumphant tirade against her when she broke into his house was just the tip of the iceberg I suspect...
His family is not the world's standards. That's the whole point. The Dutton's aren't inherently wrong, but neither is Jamie. That's the problem. This show tries to frame it as the Dutton's are flawed, but are still in the right. They aren't.
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth." [In this case, it's a ranch.]
His father drilled it into him to save the ranch at all cost... never really treated him as his son, and his daughter constantly bullied him, threatened him, and said she would take his child from him. He did everything for the family, apologized for a youthful mistake, and when his father did everything to lose the ranch he demanded jamie protect, he went against his father to do so.
The abortion itself wasn't the problem she had. It was him getting her a hysterectomy without telling her until it was too late.
In 1883 (TV Series), the Indian tells Duttom that after 7 generations they would lose the land. Not lose it, but return it to their people, and Tate is one of his people.
Tate is half Indian and white. If you pay attention, the Indian says that the land would return to them and his grandson is half Indian and if you count, he is the seventh generation, so it's all in the same place hahaha
So the prophecy could be different? Theory?
That's right! In theory, Tate would inherit and share the land with the Indians, but let's see how it plays out in the series.
JAMIE IS WEAK
Yep, that was the problem all along.