After one request and 2 months of waiting, the video I asked for is finally here! With Christmas being so close, this feels like an early gift from Santa Claus, or in this case, Santacon. With damn near an hour of coverage, it's clear that this show meant something special to you. It's truly an honor to have a UA-camr who actually talks and listens to his audience. Time to bust out the devil's lettuce and roll a number and then fire up said number while I enjoy this bloody and brutal no holds barred anime. Cheers man.
I always loved how Ideon's first roar starts so bestial and alien, but then slowly morphs into one so utterly and unmistakably human. It's absolutely chilling.
Same. It actually gives me slight ASMR - that tingling behind the ears that makes the hairs on my neck and arms stand up - whenever I hear it, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
normally machines sounding like they can roar is a mech turn off but the way it starts like whirring, tecnological computing beep-boop sounds, and sirens very gradually transitioning to what is clearly, CLEARLY an adult man wailing in emotional agony as the beam of light shoots upward was amazing.
@@GrizonII Never heard of it, but one glance at the wikipedia page and it already mentions everyone dying, classic Tomino indeed. It's hard to believe he would do such an 180 to make mostly colorful shows like Turn A, King Gainer and Reconguista.
@@shadow025027 I heard it was all three shows that gave him the nickname. That it was Zeta that started the nickname and that it was the Ideon movie that cemented his infamy.
People who dismiss older anime just because the animation isnt the prettiest or the voice acting isn't the best is rly doing theirselves a disservice. Both Ideon and the original Macross have such compelling stories, themes, and characters that can be hard to find in anime these days. Ideon is seriously one of my fav animes of all time despite how dark it gets.
Slight clarifying detail: The Ideon Gun/ Wave-Leader Gun uses not simply the Ide Energy as the source of its power, but also its utilizing the Micro-Black Hole Projector seen only once earlier in the show. Effectively, what the Ideon Gun really does is that it takes the Gravitational Singularity of the Black Hole and fires it outward, the Ide Energy essentially feeding it and allowing it to expand not only its area of effect but its range as well. Nowhere is safe from the reach of the Ideon Gun because of this, not even DS Space because the Ide Energy can allow it to enter that dimension to reach whatever the pilot of the Ideon wishes to *be not* anymore. This also explains why the Ideon Gun is animated the way it is with its signature "tearing anything within its field of fire apart like being caught in a cosmic whirlwind of lightning and death", its effectively firing an inverted Black Hole.
Wow, the ending is very different. In the movie it isn't the conception of the baby that invokes the Ide but the death of the baby. It looks like they ran out of money and just snipped the story.
Eva: I'm gonna wish an eldritch God would dissolve all life on earth into goo Ideon: ... Hold my beer! 40k: I'm gonna destroy a planet, opening up a WARP portal tearing across the ENTIRE GALAXY threating all life in it Ideon: ... HOLD MY BEER!!
Ideon: I'm gonna destroy all corporeal life in the universe and reset it to its base state Mazinger ZERO: Just the one universe? You think kind of small, don't you?
I just watched the 2 Ideon movies. The first movie is a recap of the first 30ish episodes but the second movie has the new ending. The 2nd one definitely deserves a video!
It's interesting, having gone through most of Tomino's work, there's this underlying desire to challenge the... simple admiration we in the audience feel about the mechs in our mecha fiction. That core idea of the titular Hero Mech being a friendly protector - or usually all-important saviour - is a base assumption in the genre, and while Evangelion may've popularized deconstructing and subverting that assumption with its cybernetic eldrich abominations, Ideon was here doing it 16 years earlier. Tomino would do something similar with the Turn A, King Gainer, and the G-Reco as well -- give rather friendly looking and overall quite benign designs to the mechs which would turn out to be secretively quite destructive and frightening weapons whose very existence are kind of problematic if not outright horrifying even if we in the audience are trained to root for them. I know Tomino found the toyetic aspects of his work to be counter to his intentions - which he's since reflected upon to become more content with - I wonder if that sense of distaste with people thoughtlessly idolizing weapons drew out the need to show how it's... unwise to emotionally attach yourself to them regardless of how they might appear.
@@View619 To be spoiler-lite -- It turns out to be an Overdevil, I believe. Overman King Gainer is fairly similar to Turn A, in that they just find the titular mech conveniently when they needed it and both you in the audience and the characters in-universe don't really think much about it until much later in the plot as they're constantly using it to save themselves from various crises... and it's kind of adorable, especially when it dances.
I like your comment, but I'm still rooting for Ideon all the way. He is almost completely justified in the views it has & I very much love every little detail about Ideon
actually on this, you're actually right on the comparisons between Eva and Ideon, because Ideon itself was what inspired Hideki Anno to create Evangelion, and even in an interview after it's run, he humbly said that compared to Ideon, his work paled in comparison to the work that inspired him
0:40 - It might be more accurate to call Ideon Super Real Robot, since it combines elements of both genres. It's pretty much what probably happened when the Turn A went up against the Earth Sphere in Gundam between the events of all of UC and its titled show, but on a larger scale and with 99 percent more humanity is wiped out.
The shows very depressing but very good. Now Be Invoked was so brutal, it really impacted and traumatized me. It also can truly show someone that endless destruction can lead to total destruction.
Ideon doesn't really seem like a Super Robot show: while it does start that way, it ends pretty clearly in the Cosmic Horror genre, seeing as how the robot might as well be Cthulhu by the end.
The super robot stuff of the 70's are worth your time. Contrary to conventional thinking about the real robot/super robot evolution, the real robot era isn't when they decided to add adult plot lines and story conventions. Almost all of them featured some type of nuanced plot, unconventional characters and surprising events suitable to a more adult audience. Daimos for example *spoilers* Had a wise cracking kid giving the protag a hard time about his new girl (an enemy princess) this kid is killed an episode later, when you think he was going to be an audience fixture. In the end the only true difference between super robot and real robot was hoe the characters saw their mecha...which is almost always blurred in both cases. Often real robot Pilots thank their gundams as if they are people, and super robot pilots discard their titular mecha like simple tools.
I second this. Yes, it's true. Super Robot shows also can be as deep as the real robot show that came after them. Writing them off as only monster of the week shows for kids is misguided.
Thirded, I guess. Some good stuff in that era, and it's a mistake to look at the animation and production dates and write something off without more research. Which is a heck of a lot easier to do in 2022 than it was back in the dark days before the internet.
I think a big problem is that besides the Robot Romance trilogy being well regarded, the other Mecha shows from that period have more divisive opinions. Like I have no idea if the Mazinger or Getter Robo anime series are good or not if I should actually watch them. I’ve even heard that Mazinger Z is not good, but Great Mazinger is good, but in order to understand Great, I have to watch Z. Not to mention all the other mediocre Super Robot shows that make it even more confusing. Not to mention that this idea also exists pretty prominently in Japan, it’s not just a western thing.
@@thomasffrench3639 I think a lot of the ire over Mazinger and Getters' TV series is a western misconception that the Mazinger and Getter anime were somehow "lesser, less edgy" adaptations of the manga. With Mazinger, the anime and manga ran concurrently and one was never intended to be an adaptation of the other, and both are great in their own way. In particular, the Mazinger Z anime's influence is worldwide. As for Getter, while the anime is a "less edgy" adaptation, it has its own good points. The dramatic scenes were always on point, and its anime additions are a good time. Texas Mack is a legend.
There are some more cameos in the Buff Clan fleet. Musai cruiser and Pegasus class carrier in episode 34 and also a weird colored Gundam in episode 37.
This channel has become a go to for anime reviews. Absolutely crushing it man. I’m a first responder and have 5 other guys at the fire house listening to you as well lol. Keep up the great work.
1:10 - Be Invoked is considered by Tomino to be the canonical ending, because when he made the 38th episode, he intended the show to run for a few more episodes, but it was canceled before he could get to that point and he had to hastily create an ending for the series. So he turned what would've been those episodes into the movie Be Invoked and it replaced episode 39. In other words, Be Invoked IS the last episode. The good news is you only need to watch Be Invoked. Contact is not necessary if you already watched the series, because it's just a retelling of the events of the show up to episode 38. A word of warning though, if you thought the episode 39 ending of the series was depressing, Be Invoked is worse. WAY worse. It's good, it's just that the events shown in it are way more brutal. There is an onscreen decapitation of a toddler in one scene. Not joking.
Tomino doing a Hideaki Anno before Hideaki Anno made it popular. Edit: Wait. You didn't watch the Be Invoked movie? You haven't seen why they started to call him Kill'em All Tomino then!
We meet again Ideon! I havent seen him since SRW Alpha 3 and im kinda glad! But man after watching the whole series and its been a few years since and yet it still hits hard... not to mention how traumatizing this was to younger me! Onto to SRW! When I started with Alpha 3 I thought Ideon was a joke since he had so little attacks... but as his HP goess down the more attacks get revealed like the Missile spam, Ideon Sword and the almighty Ideon Gun!!! (Goddamn that MAP attack is devastating even compared to the Yamato!). During the start of Ideon the cast of Macross 7 meet up with Cosmo and crew and eventually meet up with everyone else. I swear the Buff clan chases you around even if Ideon isnt with you, but theyre quite easy to take out and the EXP and money is always welcome! But where it gets dark in Alpha 3... would be the bad ending.. oh god the bad ending... You need to fight off the Buff Clan in a last desperate struggle and when everyone attacks the main ship their tone is sad and even hesitant... but when hot-blooded heroes hesitate you know shits going down! If memory serves right... after you defeat the mothership of the Buff Clan, Ideon goes wild and ends up destroying the whole universe allowing the big bad Keisar Ephes to claim the souls of our defeated heroes... yep its sad and you really need to experience it at least once. Also I've heard Ideon goes berserk when its IDE is full in previous SRW and shoots its Ideon Gun at you with zero care and when you destroy him you still need to pay the repair costs! If somehow you avoid the bad ending you'll be able to avoid the Buff clan and instead need to defend Buster Machine 8 I believe and you'll have Gunbuster and Ideon standing side by side ready to fight off the STMC! But in the good ending, Ideon ejects all the crew out and takes Keisar Ephes out pretty much saving the world...no the universe! And in the after credits you'll see Ideon floating in space deactivated... but as you see THE END you can hear Ideon restarting! So it's an overall good ending for the Ideon cast! (and the the whole damn universe!)
Can we talk about how, according to a spin-off piece of media, The Gundam U.C. timeline is apparently the Universe that the Ideon created after destroying and resetting its own?
@@iwanttodiebutimtoobigofacoward I believe in said spinoff it is indeed extremely angry and tries to re-destroy the universe, forcing Amuro, Judau(who is a reincarnation of the afro guy from Ideon) and a few others to defy it.
This series produced some great plastic model kits. Had a lot of fun with them back in the 80s, and there are still bits and pieces of them doing service as wargaming terrain here in 2022. Best part was I had no idea what they were when I bought them, and neither did the store owner who'd dumped them in his discount bin. No English (or even Engrish) on the packaging or instructions at all. How they got to upstate NY I'll never know. Interesting series once I finally found out what the models were from and tracked it down for a watch.
I do love these longer, thought filled videos. I prefer hearing everything you like to share about your experience with these anime and don't mind the length one but. Good thing to sit down in the morning with a cup of coffee and some toast. Even if it's a series I am already familiar with, it's hella enjoyable to hear others thoughts on this stuff. Well done video and appreciate all your hard work! Be mindful of Editor Burn Out and work at your own pace!
One detail about this show that seems easy for many to miss: the show and movies’ music was composed by Koichi Sugiyama. Me [watching Ideon through fansubs back in 2007]: “Sugiyama? Why do I feel like Final Fantasy-loving me should know who that guy is?” (Googles his name) “Oh. He’s the Dragon Quest composer! That’s good to know…😅” This show has really good music, and the Be Invoked score is even better. The whole OST is worth your time.
Tbh you definitely should have watched be invoked with the series, the show is canceled before they finished making it so the final few episodes are rushed to hell and it's why it ends so abruptly, Be Invoked is basically a more complete version of the last few episodes, the scene at the end with Lou and the baby is like a ten minute sequence in the movie
If you haven’t already seen it, I’d suggest Zambot 3. I feel like that’s the definite precursor to Ideon’s deeply oppressive tone. It’s also like half as long
I am starved for Ideon content - Thank you so much for making this!! If you plan on watching the movies (I really hope you do!), A Contact comes before Be Invoked. A Contact is like a recap movie that changes some major events around. Be Invoked is a retelling/expansion of the final episode that can come after either A Contact or the series.
(Man, I sure hope Retcon can cover the Igloo Gundam stuff so we can all see a proper thrashing to Seed Destiny.) (sees this thumbnail) OK, NOW you have my attention.
Thank you man for the great video. Not going to lie the last couple of videos I had something crappy happen to me and you really cheered me up. Today I got locked out of my car while trying to do some Christmas shopping in a city about an hour away from home. Thank you for this video man it kept me from the panic attack I was having realizing I didn't have my car keys on me. 🤣🤣🤣 PS.. I legit think it's funny that these coincidences happened, so I apologize if it came off like I was blaming you. If anything you help me through it
@@nia1waifu107 my personal top 5 is 1) Char's Counterattack 2)Gundam movie 3 3)Ideon+be invoked 4)Zambot 5)Xabungle I don't want to be rude, but Brain Powerd is a terrible series, one of Tomino's worst works, I just don't get how someone could place it in their top 3....
So it starts out as standard 80's Super Robot, ends up as a lovecraftian monster that can rival the Getter Emperor and Mazinger ZERO because two dumbass species couldn't see beyond their own bloodlust and hatred. I can see why people subscribe to the theory that the universe that gets created after this show turns out to be the Universal Century since the same shit keeps happening because the Federation seems to be basically filled with the same assholes that keep escalating the conflict in Ideon. Also for those thinking "wait this WASN'T the show that gave Tomino his "kill' em all" nickname!?" Nope, that would be Zambot 3, all I'll say is "Killer Queen" and leave it at that.
the main reason the theory exists is because of a crossover manga with Zeon discovering the Ideon and Judoh preventing them from abusing the Ide the crossover also implies Judoh is Cosmos reincarnated.
I'm really grateful you aren't just covering gundam even though that's my main mecha interest. I'd really like to see you cover Aldnoah Zero and see what you think of its premise compared to something like Turn A.
Tomino has indeed made many unknown masterpieces during his days of glory, aside of Gundam, and Ideon is another one! I just wish for someone to ever watch and make a review of Triton o the Sea (Umi no Triron) - his first and most obscure work (and the one that trumatized ME as kid - since it was my very first anime!!!).
This was a pretty good video. I hope you get around to watch the movies soon, as the second one, specifically, contains the true ending of the series (because what we got in the anime is basically a summary of its ending).
ideon is said to be in the UC gundam universe, there's a theory that G-Saviour connects this, that ide is actually all of newtype become energy just like what camille used in Z Gundam to extend the power of the Z gundam's beam saber, besides there's chimera corp using quote "revenge of ide" in it's emblem and poster of char, amuro and haro in ideon, lol but the connector being G-Saviour is hillarious
Great video! Would love for you to check out Magic Knight Rayearth. It's a CLAMP series that's a mix of isekai, super robot, shojo romance, and magical girl anime that is extremely unique. IMO isekai was mostly downhill after it, and it's about a decade and change ahead of stuff like SAO. The manga is probably better, especially the second series/part since the anime deviates in some pretty dramatic ways, but the first series anime is excellent. The anime was directed by Hirano of Macross fame I believe. Good Smile Company just recently released model kits of the three main mechs from the series as well if you're into the hobby and want to see the designs.
Oh man. When I saw you uploaded this video I was thinking to watch or not watch? Cuz just the title sounds awesome. I decided to watch this entire video and was like damn I shoulda watched the anime xD. But I imagine it was a real roller coaster. Amazing video.
Hey man if you still want to experience some of the series without spoilers you should check out the two Ideon movies "A Contact" and "Be Invoked". The latter changes a good amount and expands upon the ending and ive been told they are very worth watching even if you have already seen the series.
You said this is the first Super Robot show on the channel, but didn’t you also do a video on Gunbuster previously? I was always under the impression that was Super Robot
Oh man, new retcon video? Perfect cure for boredom. Lol, "afro having and knife weilding" might be the coolest descriptive title a person could ever get.
this is one i always recommend but never one take my word , why is old and long. then shared this video to show that they missed for overlook something like this.
I had a similar experience. Got a bunch in a discount bin sale at some game store in the 80s, even the owner didn't know what they were. No Ideon itself, but a bunch of the freaky Buff Clan mecha and a couple of starships. Took me over a decade to identify where they were from and longer to finally track down the vids to actually see it. Still got fragments of some of the kits serving as wargaming terrain to this day.
I had a bootleg DVD set and I never got around to finishing it. I picked it up knowing it was sort of a proto-Eva series. I gave it away to a friend and I regret that I never watched the whole thing. One day I’ll have to track down a way to watch it (hopefully through legitimate means lol).
A few things I didn't like. The sixth civilization being super advanced and ancient, having ascended to godhood, doesn't really translate in to their design language. The Buff clan has more alien design than the Ideon and its mothership. I also take issue on Ideon and the solo ship's interface being compatible with humanoids. What I actually don't like, is not the aforementioned though, but how both of these could be addressed very easily through narrative. Like for example the Ide is able to shapeshift the Ideon and the ship to something that the occupants feel more accustomed to and are able to use. Hence why Bes was adamant that the science team snuck the vehicles on the planet. They didn't look alien. They looked like human heavy duty machinery.
Please, do a legends of the galactic hero’s video! Probably the best space themed anime ever and it’s not even close. But also yay love getting new videos from you!
@@Cab895 oh yes, it snowballs in the best possible way. They are also remaking it currently and the first season is kinda meh, but 2/3/4 have just been better and better.
2022, and I'm STILL waiting on the Maiden Japan Ideon Blu-ray to be restocked... Oh well, at least GaoGaiGar finally got a new, complete Blu-ray release.
Dunbine might have been influential because of its setting and for having basically invented isekai, but it's by far not one of Tomino's best works it's kinda bad to be honest
@@evanerickson4217 you suggested people to watch it, implying the work to be good, and I contested that. The show is way too long for no reason and the characters are uninteresting after the fitst few episodes. The character and world dinamics also are not that close to Gundam. There is no real reason to watch Dunbine unless you want to watch every work directed by Tomino or you want to see where the isekai genre came from
After you did Macross I went and downloaded Ideon 'cause I'd been debating which to watch first. Now you've done Ideon though and I'm back to having to decide 😆
If you are trying to get in super robot is do suggest voltes 5 and daimos they are easily to get in and also have really good writing also ideon maybe was the first mecha cosmic horror because getter robo also found that theme evengleon was inspired by ultraman and getter robo made it most popular sad it hasn't done much today
Could you maybe take a look at 2 strange animes? I'm sure it's your cup of tea, so to speak! 😏 - Schwarzesmarken (80s Cold War going HOT, but it's also mechs vs aliens, the title is supposed to be German, but for me as a German it sounds wrong 😅) - Future War: 198X (another 80s Cold War going HOT, this time movie IS from the 80s, even using the so called "Star Wars Defense Program" a year before President Ronald Reagon talked about the program in tv, this movie was quite controversal 🤔)
Loved that series. To this day every time I see a starship battle I'm vaguely disappointed when the grapplers and giant-ass pistols and melee weapons don't show up. More starship punching, please.
After one request and 2 months of waiting, the video I asked for is finally here! With Christmas being so close, this feels like an early gift from Santa Claus, or in this case, Santacon. With damn near an hour of coverage, it's clear that this show meant something special to you. It's truly an honor to have a UA-camr who actually talks and listens to his audience. Time to bust out the devil's lettuce and roll a number and then fire up said number while I enjoy this bloody and brutal no holds barred anime. Cheers man.
Still waiting for Outlaw Star :(
I always loved how Ideon's first roar starts so bestial and alien, but then slowly morphs into one so utterly and unmistakably human.
It's absolutely chilling.
The Ideon's roar will forever be engraved into my soul.
Same. It actually gives me slight ASMR - that tingling behind the ears that makes the hairs on my neck and arms stand up - whenever I hear it, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
When the GMs have enough of exploding when Antagonist blow them up, Ideon rises
normally machines sounding like they can roar is a mech turn off but the way it starts like whirring, tecnological computing beep-boop sounds, and sirens very gradually transitioning to what is clearly, CLEARLY an adult man wailing in emotional agony as the beam of light shoots upward was amazing.
And here is the show that traumatized too many and gave Tomino his signature nickname, "Kil'em all Tomino".
I believe his nickname is generally said to come from Zambot 3 actually; Ideon just reinforced it.
@@GrizonII Never heard of it, but one glance at the wikipedia page and it already mentions everyone dying, classic Tomino indeed. It's hard to believe he would do such an 180 to make mostly colorful shows like Turn A, King Gainer and Reconguista.
@@briansilva3765 That's because Sad Tomino and Happy Tomino are two different entities.
I like keeping track of how many shows people attribute his nickname to. I've heard Ideon, Zambot 3 and Zeta Gundam so far.
@@shadow025027 I heard it was all three shows that gave him the nickname. That it was Zeta that started the nickname and that it was the Ideon movie that cemented his infamy.
People who dismiss older anime just because the animation isnt the prettiest or the voice acting isn't the best is rly doing theirselves a disservice. Both Ideon and the original Macross have such compelling stories, themes, and characters that can be hard to find in anime these days. Ideon is seriously one of my fav animes of all time despite how dark it gets.
This makes Gundam Victory look positively tame
Exactly.
Truly the peak of GM designs
Or: Tomino taking the the anti-war messages of Mobile Suit Gundam and running with them to their natural conclusion.
Slight clarifying detail: The Ideon Gun/ Wave-Leader Gun uses not simply the Ide Energy as the source of its power, but also its utilizing the Micro-Black Hole Projector seen only once earlier in the show. Effectively, what the Ideon Gun really does is that it takes the Gravitational Singularity of the Black Hole and fires it outward, the Ide Energy essentially feeding it and allowing it to expand not only its area of effect but its range as well. Nowhere is safe from the reach of the Ideon Gun because of this, not even DS Space because the Ide Energy can allow it to enter that dimension to reach whatever the pilot of the Ideon wishes to *be not* anymore. This also explains why the Ideon Gun is animated the way it is with its signature "tearing anything within its field of fire apart like being caught in a cosmic whirlwind of lightning and death", its effectively firing an inverted Black Hole.
Tomino got the Kill ‘Em All because of Ideon. He literally kills off the whole cast.
He doesn’t just kill off the whole cast, he kills off everyone in the solar system while he’s at it
Add zambot 3 to the mix
i finished the series and both movies recently. old anime really hits differently
It really does.
@@Retcon404when are you going to review the ideon movies?
Wow, the ending is very different. In the movie it isn't the conception of the baby that invokes the Ide but the death of the baby. It looks like they ran out of money and just snipped the story.
They had to end the series earlier due to poor ratings
The baby did not die at end of the show.
The movies are required since they have the real ending
If you know Tomino's nickname, get a box of tissues ready
"Kill 'em all Tomino"
Ideon...actually defines the term, he never quite hits Ideon's shock level again.
@@chuckhaynes9166 Yup on a scale from 1-10 of how brutal the ending gets, this was Grave of the Fireflies
Eva: I'm gonna wish an eldritch God would dissolve all life on earth into goo
Ideon: ... Hold my beer!
40k: I'm gonna destroy a planet, opening up a WARP portal tearing across the ENTIRE GALAXY threating all life in it
Ideon: ... HOLD MY BEER!!
Ideon: I'm gonna destroy all corporeal life in the universe and reset it to its base state
Mazinger ZERO: Just the one universe? You think kind of small, don't you?
granzon : hmm that cute
ttgl : thats good oji-chan
@@richmcgee434 what?😆
You can also see Amuro in that Char Easter egg poster, it’s more clear in the still with the Haro present!
I just watched the 2 Ideon movies. The first movie is a recap of the first 30ish episodes but the second movie has the new ending. The 2nd one definitely deserves a video!
It's interesting, having gone through most of Tomino's work, there's this underlying desire to challenge the... simple admiration we in the audience feel about the mechs in our mecha fiction. That core idea of the titular Hero Mech being a friendly protector - or usually all-important saviour - is a base assumption in the genre, and while Evangelion may've popularized deconstructing and subverting that assumption with its cybernetic eldrich abominations, Ideon was here doing it 16 years earlier. Tomino would do something similar with the Turn A, King Gainer, and the G-Reco as well -- give rather friendly looking and overall quite benign designs to the mechs which would turn out to be secretively quite destructive and frightening weapons whose very existence are kind of problematic if not outright horrifying even if we in the audience are trained to root for them.
I know Tomino found the toyetic aspects of his work to be counter to his intentions - which he's since reflected upon to become more content with - I wonder if that sense of distaste with people thoughtlessly idolizing weapons drew out the need to show how it's... unwise to emotionally attach yourself to them regardless of how they might appear.
At the risk of spoiling things for myself, what was the issue with King Gainer? I can understand the Turn A (given its history), but King Gainer?
@@View619 To be spoiler-lite -- It turns out to be an Overdevil, I believe. Overman King Gainer is fairly similar to Turn A, in that they just find the titular mech conveniently when they needed it and both you in the audience and the characters in-universe don't really think much about it until much later in the plot as they're constantly using it to save themselves from various crises... and it's kind of adorable, especially when it dances.
I like your comment, but I'm still rooting for Ideon all the way. He is almost completely justified in the views it has & I very much love every little detail about Ideon
actually on this, you're actually right on the comparisons between Eva and Ideon, because Ideon itself was what inspired Hideki Anno to create Evangelion, and even in an interview after it's run, he humbly said that compared to Ideon, his work paled in comparison to the work that inspired him
If Anno actually said that than he's right. I agree. Not that Eva is bad or anything.
0:40 - It might be more accurate to call Ideon Super Real Robot, since it combines elements of both genres. It's pretty much what probably happened when the Turn A went up against the Earth Sphere in Gundam between the events of all of UC and its titled show, but on a larger scale and with 99 percent more humanity is wiped out.
Finally, someone put it into words
Cosmic horror: "Laughs in Be Invoked"
*seriously, watch that one next.
The shows very depressing but very good. Now Be Invoked was so brutal, it really impacted and traumatized me. It also can truly show someone that endless destruction can lead to total destruction.
You want more Tomino Super Robot series? I suggest trying Zambot 3...
Tomino got his name Kill Em All Tomino with the 1977 tv Mecha anime Zambot 3 a precursor to Gundam
ohhh shit I thought it came from the late 80's. cool
@@Retcon404 Tomino’s works are very fascinating to me & I think Ideon is in his top 4 of best works😇😇😇
The late 80's? Tf HOW? Do you not do research or use Wikipedia?
Ideon doesn't really seem like a Super Robot show: while it does start that way, it ends pretty clearly in the Cosmic Horror genre, seeing as how the robot might as well be Cthulhu by the end.
There was someone who has a video with that angle. Just forgot who.
I’m pretty sure a bunch of other Super Robot shows have cosmic horror elements as well. Like I heard the Getter Robo manga is cosmos horror.
@@thomasffrench3639 Only the Getter Arc portion of the story gets into cosmic horror territory.
@@nicodalusong149 that sounds right
Super robot vs real robot distinction has less to do with themes and more with the powers of the robot itself
The super robot stuff of the 70's are worth your time. Contrary to conventional thinking about the real robot/super robot evolution, the real robot era isn't when they decided to add adult plot lines and story conventions. Almost all of them featured some type of nuanced plot, unconventional characters and surprising events suitable to a more adult audience.
Daimos for example *spoilers*
Had a wise cracking kid giving the protag a hard time about his new girl (an enemy princess) this kid is killed an episode later, when you think he was going to be an audience fixture. In the end the only true difference between super robot and real robot was hoe the characters saw their mecha...which is almost always blurred in both cases. Often real robot Pilots thank their gundams as if they are people, and super robot pilots discard their titular mecha like simple tools.
I second this. Yes, it's true. Super Robot shows also can be as deep as the real robot show that came after them. Writing them off as only monster of the week shows for kids is misguided.
Thirded, I guess. Some good stuff in that era, and it's a mistake to look at the animation and production dates and write something off without more research. Which is a heck of a lot easier to do in 2022 than it was back in the dark days before the internet.
I think a big problem is that besides the Robot Romance trilogy being well regarded, the other Mecha shows from that period have more divisive opinions. Like I have no idea if the Mazinger or Getter Robo anime series are good or not if I should actually watch them. I’ve even heard that Mazinger Z is not good, but Great Mazinger is good, but in order to understand Great, I have to watch Z. Not to mention all the other mediocre Super Robot shows that make it even more confusing. Not to mention that this idea also exists pretty prominently in Japan, it’s not just a western thing.
@@thomasffrench3639 I think a lot of the ire over Mazinger and Getters' TV series is a western misconception that the Mazinger and Getter anime were somehow "lesser, less edgy" adaptations of the manga. With Mazinger, the anime and manga ran concurrently and one was never intended to be an adaptation of the other, and both are great in their own way. In particular, the Mazinger Z anime's influence is worldwide. As for Getter, while the anime is a "less edgy" adaptation, it has its own good points. The dramatic scenes were always on point, and its anime additions are a good time. Texas Mack is a legend.
Baldios, Zambot, there's so much good dark 70s super robots.
There are some more cameos in the Buff Clan fleet. Musai cruiser and Pegasus class carrier in episode 34 and also a weird colored Gundam in episode 37.
This channel has become a go to for anime reviews. Absolutely crushing it man. I’m a first responder and have 5 other guys at the fire house listening to you as well lol. Keep up the great work.
1:10 - Be Invoked is considered by Tomino to be the canonical ending, because when he made the 38th episode, he intended the show to run for a few more episodes, but it was canceled before he could get to that point and he had to hastily create an ending for the series. So he turned what would've been those episodes into the movie Be Invoked and it replaced episode 39.
In other words, Be Invoked IS the last episode. The good news is you only need to watch Be Invoked. Contact is not necessary if you already watched the series, because it's just a retelling of the events of the show up to episode 38. A word of warning though, if you thought the episode 39 ending of the series was depressing, Be Invoked is worse. WAY worse. It's good, it's just that the events shown in it are way more brutal. There is an onscreen decapitation of a toddler in one scene. Not joking.
Please watch be invoked. Definitely the end of evangelion of ideon. The animation is also stellar
Yes, very good. Better than End of Eva, if anything.
Tomino doing a Hideaki Anno before Hideaki Anno made it popular.
Edit: Wait. You didn't watch the Be Invoked movie? You haven't seen why they started to call him Kill'em All Tomino then!
We meet again Ideon! I havent seen him since SRW Alpha 3 and im kinda glad!
But man after watching the whole series and its been a few years since and yet it still hits hard... not to mention how traumatizing this was to younger me!
Onto to SRW! When I started with Alpha 3 I thought Ideon was a joke since he had so little attacks... but as his HP goess down the more attacks get revealed like the Missile spam, Ideon Sword and the almighty Ideon Gun!!! (Goddamn that MAP attack is devastating even compared to the Yamato!).
During the start of Ideon the cast of Macross 7 meet up with Cosmo and crew and eventually meet up with everyone else.
I swear the Buff clan chases you around even if Ideon isnt with you, but theyre quite easy to take out and the EXP and money is always welcome!
But where it gets dark in Alpha 3... would be the bad ending.. oh god the bad ending... You need to fight off the Buff Clan in a last desperate struggle and when everyone attacks the main ship their tone is sad and even hesitant... but when hot-blooded heroes hesitate you know shits going down!
If memory serves right... after you defeat the mothership of the Buff Clan, Ideon goes wild and ends up destroying the whole universe allowing the big bad Keisar Ephes to claim the souls of our defeated heroes... yep its sad and you really need to experience it at least once.
Also I've heard Ideon goes berserk when its IDE is full in previous SRW and shoots its Ideon Gun at you with zero care and when you destroy him you still need to pay the repair costs!
If somehow you avoid the bad ending you'll be able to avoid the Buff clan and instead need to defend Buster Machine 8 I believe and you'll have Gunbuster and Ideon standing side by side ready to fight off the STMC!
But in the good ending, Ideon ejects all the crew out and takes Keisar Ephes out pretty much saving the world...no the universe!
And in the after credits you'll see Ideon floating in space deactivated... but as you see THE END you can hear Ideon restarting! So it's an overall good ending for the Ideon cast! (and the the whole damn universe!)
Can we talk about how, according to a spin-off piece of media, The Gundam U.C. timeline is apparently the Universe that the Ideon created after destroying and resetting its own?
It must be really frustrated with the result after it even gave humanity a fraction of it's power to understand each otherbetter
@@iwanttodiebutimtoobigofacoward I believe in said spinoff it is indeed extremely angry and tries to re-destroy the universe, forcing Amuro, Judau(who is a reincarnation of the afro guy from Ideon) and a few others to defy it.
what's the name of that show?
@@NutriMM It's a manga.
@@DIEGhostfish oh ok... what's its name?
This series produced some great plastic model kits. Had a lot of fun with them back in the 80s, and there are still bits and pieces of them doing service as wargaming terrain here in 2022. Best part was I had no idea what they were when I bought them, and neither did the store owner who'd dumped them in his discount bin. No English (or even Engrish) on the packaging or instructions at all. How they got to upstate NY I'll never know.
Interesting series once I finally found out what the models were from and tracked it down for a watch.
The Universe Slayer itself, Space Runaway Ideon!
I do love these longer, thought filled videos. I prefer hearing everything you like to share about your experience with these anime and don't mind the length one but. Good thing to sit down in the morning with a cup of coffee and some toast. Even if it's a series I am already familiar with, it's hella enjoyable to hear others thoughts on this stuff. Well done video and appreciate all your hard work! Be mindful of Editor Burn Out and work at your own pace!
One detail about this show that seems easy for many to miss: the show and movies’ music was composed by Koichi Sugiyama.
Me [watching Ideon through fansubs back in 2007]: “Sugiyama? Why do I feel like Final Fantasy-loving me should know who that guy is?”
(Googles his name)
“Oh. He’s the Dragon Quest composer! That’s good to know…😅”
This show has really good music, and the Be Invoked score is even better. The whole OST is worth your time.
Personally, I think Cosmo is the illegitimate son of the painter Bob Ross.
I can see the resemblance
For more 80's tragic mecha anime excellence, please review Round Vernian Vifam!
Lord of the Flies with mechs and one increasingly alcoholic adult!
Tbh you definitely should have watched be invoked with the series, the show is canceled before they finished making it so the final few episodes are rushed to hell and it's why it ends so abruptly, Be Invoked is basically a more complete version of the last few episodes, the scene at the end with Lou and the baby is like a ten minute sequence in the movie
Yeah, pretty much a mandatory watch if you enjoyed (or at least were intrigued by) the series.
So we know know were was the inspiration for the human instrumentalziation from Evangelon, clearly is this Ideon :)
If you haven’t already seen it, I’d suggest Zambot 3. I feel like that’s the definite precursor to Ideon’s deeply oppressive tone. It’s also like half as long
Such a happy and up beat opening song, this looks like a positive uplifiting show.... what could possibly go wrong?.... ^.^
I am starved for Ideon content - Thank you so much for making this!!
If you plan on watching the movies (I really hope you do!), A Contact comes before Be Invoked. A Contact is like a recap movie that changes some major events around. Be Invoked is a retelling/expansion of the final episode that can come after either A Contact or the series.
(Man, I sure hope Retcon can cover the Igloo Gundam stuff so we can all see a proper thrashing to Seed Destiny.)
(sees this thumbnail)
OK, NOW you have my attention.
Oh man. You should have included Be Invoked. That's the best way to watch the ending.
I feel like it's Christmas every day when I see one of your videos! I'd love to see one on The Big O. Nuances man it's got nuances.
Man I really really really can't wait for him to review the movies too!
Thank you man for the great video. Not going to lie the last couple of videos I had something crappy happen to me and you really cheered me up. Today I got locked out of my car while trying to do some Christmas shopping in a city about an hour away from home. Thank you for this video man it kept me from the panic attack I was having realizing I didn't have my car keys on me. 🤣🤣🤣
PS.. I legit think it's funny that these coincidences happened, so I apologize if it came off like I was blaming you. If anything you help me through it
ahahaha well hopefully my vids popping up in your sub feed don't become an ill omen.
the god of gm
"This series is kind of depressing"
Kind of?!
"BEANS." Hahahahahaha your voice-overs here are some next level shit! Great watch!
One dead baby is fine for drama, two dead babies is pushing it.
( also can’t wait for igloo, it goes hard even though it’s outdated CG)
My Top 5 Favorite Tomino Anime Of All Time
1.Turn A Gundam
2.Brain Powered
3.King Gainer
4.Ideon + Be Invoked
5.Zeta Gundam
You're not serious, are you?
@@frankjaeger2565 I am what’s your personal top 5???
@@nia1waifu107 my personal top 5 is
1) Char's Counterattack
2)Gundam movie 3
3)Ideon+be invoked
4)Zambot
5)Xabungle
I don't want to be rude, but Brain Powerd is a terrible series, one of Tomino's worst works, I just don't get how someone could place it in their top 3....
@@frankjaeger2565 I love Brain Powered because of how weird it is & I love weird fiction like Eva, 2001 & everything made by David Lynch lol
@@nia1waifu107 I get where you're coming from, but the charachters are just terribly written...
So it starts out as standard 80's Super Robot, ends up as a lovecraftian monster that can rival the Getter Emperor and Mazinger ZERO because two dumbass species couldn't see beyond their own bloodlust and hatred. I can see why people subscribe to the theory that the universe that gets created after this show turns out to be the Universal Century since the same shit keeps happening because the Federation seems to be basically filled with the same assholes that keep escalating the conflict in Ideon. Also for those thinking "wait this WASN'T the show that gave Tomino his "kill' em all" nickname!?" Nope, that would be Zambot 3, all I'll say is "Killer Queen" and leave it at that.
the main reason the theory exists is because of a crossover manga with Zeon discovering the Ideon and Judoh preventing them from abusing the Ide the crossover also implies Judoh is Cosmos reincarnated.
@@rdogg114 Ah, I was not aware of that, thank you.
What about the two ideon movies? That true ending is a real cosmic horror!
Ideon should have a modern remake like Galactic Heroes
No, it just needs to be more easily avaible
I'm really grateful you aren't just covering gundam even though that's my main mecha interest.
I'd really like to see you cover Aldnoah Zero and see what you think of its premise compared to something like Turn A.
Tomino has indeed made many unknown masterpieces during his days of glory, aside of Gundam, and Ideon is another one! I just wish for someone to ever watch and make a review of Triton o the Sea (Umi no Triron) - his first and most obscure work (and the one that trumatized ME as kid - since it was my very first anime!!!).
This was a pretty good video. I hope you get around to watch the movies soon, as the second one, specifically, contains the true ending of the series (because what we got in the anime is basically a summary of its ending).
Sold! I'm really interested to watch this show now.
ideon is said to be in the UC gundam universe, there's a theory that G-Saviour connects this, that ide is actually all of newtype become energy just like what camille used in Z Gundam to extend the power of the Z gundam's beam saber, besides there's chimera corp using quote "revenge of ide" in it's emblem and poster of char, amuro and haro in ideon, lol but the connector being G-Saviour is hillarious
Great video! Would love for you to check out Magic Knight Rayearth. It's a CLAMP series that's a mix of isekai, super robot, shojo romance, and magical girl anime that is extremely unique. IMO isekai was mostly downhill after it, and it's about a decade and change ahead of stuff like SAO. The manga is probably better, especially the second series/part since the anime deviates in some pretty dramatic ways, but the first series anime is excellent. The anime was directed by Hirano of Macross fame I believe. Good Smile Company just recently released model kits of the three main mechs from the series as well if you're into the hobby and want to see the designs.
Ideon the prequel to the Universal century, in my eyes lol
There is also a Yamato Easter egg I spotted in the crowd scene when they are departing the ship
Listening to a breakdown of a movie or show isn't the same as watching it. So keep it up man!
This along with Zambot 3 got Tomino his infamous Nickname
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*80s survivors
will get it!
Oh man. When I saw you uploaded this video I was thinking to watch or not watch? Cuz just the title sounds awesome. I decided to watch this entire video and was like damn I shoulda watched the anime xD. But I imagine it was a real roller coaster. Amazing video.
Hey man if you still want to experience some of the series without spoilers you should check out the two Ideon movies "A Contact" and "Be Invoked". The latter changes a good amount and expands upon the ending and ive been told they are very worth watching even if you have already seen the series.
@@Retcon404 ty I will check it out
You said this is the first Super Robot show on the channel, but didn’t you also do a video on Gunbuster previously?
I was always under the impression that was Super Robot
It is a Super Robot
I wonder who will win between the ultimate GM (Ideon) and the ultimate Zaku (Gunbuster)? :D
The Ideon, probably. It has more firepower, though it's possible they score a mutual kill and the entire universe is fucked.
I have never seen this show but I have seen the memes about it being a GM and the machine to end the Gundam universe.
Oh man, new retcon video? Perfect cure for boredom.
Lol, "afro having and knife weilding" might be the coolest descriptive title a person could ever get.
I got an AD right here. It was hilarious
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Is it just me or is cosmo the bizarro love child of amaro and frau bo? Dudes ggot amaro's face and frau bo's hair😂😂😂😂😂
this is one i always recommend but never one take my word , why is old and long. then shared this video to show that they missed for overlook something like this.
your comment at 32;30... i felt that man with editing lolol
11:40 - Yes, sub-space. Although we have yet to see if they encounter Mario, Luigi and the other characters from Smash.
wait wait.
I have owned an Ideon model kit for over 25 years and never knew, thanks to the fact that the kit had no translation.
I had a similar experience. Got a bunch in a discount bin sale at some game store in the 80s, even the owner didn't know what they were. No Ideon itself, but a bunch of the freaky Buff Clan mecha and a couple of starships. Took me over a decade to identify where they were from and longer to finally track down the vids to actually see it. Still got fragments of some of the kits serving as wargaming terrain to this day.
I had a bootleg DVD set and I never got around to finishing it. I picked it up knowing it was sort of a proto-Eva series. I gave it away to a friend and I regret that I never watched the whole thing. One day I’ll have to track down a way to watch it (hopefully through legitimate means lol).
A few things I didn't like. The sixth civilization being super advanced and ancient, having ascended to godhood, doesn't really translate in to their design language. The Buff clan has more alien design than the Ideon and its mothership. I also take issue on Ideon and the solo ship's interface being compatible with humanoids. What I actually don't like, is not the aforementioned though, but how both of these could be addressed very easily through narrative. Like for example the Ide is able to shapeshift the Ideon and the ship to something that the occupants feel more accustomed to and are able to use. Hence why Bes was adamant that the science team snuck the vehicles on the planet. They didn't look alien. They looked like human heavy duty machinery.
Please, do a legends of the galactic hero’s video! Probably the best space themed anime ever and it’s not even close.
But also yay love getting new videos from you!
Retro's first 36 hour video
I've tried watching this 3-5 different times, it just feels so slow. Does it tend to pick up in later episodes ?
@@Cab895 oh yes, it snowballs in the best possible way.
They are also remaking it currently and the first season is kinda meh, but 2/3/4 have just been better and better.
2022, and I'm STILL waiting on the Maiden Japan Ideon Blu-ray to be restocked... Oh well, at least GaoGaiGar finally got a new, complete Blu-ray release.
The strongest GM
Team Galactic from Pokémon was definitely inspired by the Buff Clan.
…I am so looking forward to see an eventual Be Invoked video. Oh boy am I ever… :)
Watch Aura Battler Dunbine. It’s one of Tomino other shows and is Gundam but with fantasy elements in it.
Dunbine might have been influential because of its setting and for having basically invented isekai, but it's by far not one of Tomino's best works it's kinda bad to be honest
@@frankjaeger2565 I did say it was one of his best works. I said that you should watch it because of it premise and I did like the show.
@@evanerickson4217 you suggested people to watch it, implying the work to be good, and I contested that. The show is way too long for no reason and the characters are uninteresting after the fitst few episodes. The character and world dinamics also are not that close to Gundam. There is no real reason to watch Dunbine unless you want to watch every work directed by Tomino or you want to see where the isekai genre came from
As always thanks for this lengthy review. 🤘🤘🤘
After you did Macross I went and downloaded Ideon 'cause I'd been debating which to watch first.
Now you've done Ideon though and I'm back to having to decide 😆
If you are trying to get in super robot is do suggest voltes 5 and daimos they are easily to get in and also have really good writing also ideon maybe was the first mecha cosmic horror because getter robo also found that theme evengleon was inspired by ultraman and getter robo made it most popular sad it hasn't done much today
Could you maybe take a look at 2 strange animes?
I'm sure it's your cup of tea, so to speak! 😏
- Schwarzesmarken (80s Cold War going HOT, but it's also mechs vs aliens, the title is supposed to be German, but for me as a German it sounds wrong 😅)
- Future War: 198X (another 80s Cold War going HOT, this time movie IS from the 80s, even using the so called "Star Wars Defense Program" a year before President Ronald Reagon talked about the program in tv, this movie was quite controversal 🤔)
Love your work. Keep it up plz!!!
This was one of the first anime I ever watched lol Tomino missed here sadly. Very child like series.
I am now wondering...how many years until King Of Braves GaoGaiGar?
Tōshō Daimos i hope we can also tackle this gem
Do dunbine
"Kill 'em all" Tomino. Yep, it checks out.
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Ideon’s roar inspired Eva Unit-1’s roar
I really wanna see the Outlaw Star review.
Loved that series. To this day every time I see a starship battle I'm vaguely disappointed when the grapplers and giant-ass pistols and melee weapons don't show up. More starship punching, please.