Adama and Cain Plan their Assassinations | Battlestar Galactica
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Adama and Cain are revealed to have abandoned the respective assassination orders, leaving heavy implications for Starbuck.
From "Resurrection Ship (Part 1)" (Season 2, Episode 11): Lt. Kara "Starbuck" Thrace prevents a potentially deadly face-off between the battlestars Galactica and Pegasus when she returns at the last second from her unauthorized mission in the blackbird stealth fighter, bearing stunning recon photos of the Cylons' "resurrection" ship.
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I love that it was someones job on Galactica to make a little model of the resurrection ship they'd only just discovered for the officers to push around on the tactical map, like they couldn't just use a drinks coaster or something.
Especially since this episode was shot before 3D printing became commonplace, meaning that these custom models had to be made via older, manual methods. Today anyone could 3D print them from a digital model.
or a toaster toy
it was probably done from the same guy who ran the little jewelry store on the Galactica
Pegasus had been tracking the ship for a while, it's very possible Cain already had one made before this operation.
@@LEGOALEX97 good point
Something I've only just noticed is that Cain was willing to go further then Adama. He told Starbuck to only kill her. Cain told Fisk to kill his entire command, starting with Adama. I'm assuming she meant all his senior officers
It's meant to show her inability to control the situation. Adama knew that the death of Cain would solve the problems of the fleet, and prevent a fascist takeover of the government. Cain had to go much further to insure her goals, starting with the termination of the entire command crew of Galactica. Her next steps would have been civilian government.
It really illustrates the difference in ideology between the two. Cain is insecure and controlling and has to use lethal means to ensure the loyalty of those she commands. Adam on the other hand treats his crew like family and they in turn view him as a father figure; He also knows that Cain is a tyrant and her crew live in fear of her. Cain is intimidated by Adama and threatened by his style of command, which is why she starts micromanaging him from the moment she arrives. Cain knows that to get what she wants she not only has to kill Adama but the culture he has created on Galactica. Cain wouldn't have stopped with the galactica command officers but probably would have killed the entire crew, and then strip galactica for parts and supplies and then done the same to Roslin and the civilian fleet.
Cain also has forgotten what they're fighting for.
“When you hear me say ‘downfall’” is still such a badass line
I'm new? But downfall cos of the movie about hitlers command disintegrating in its last days? Or another reason
@@BipoIarbear Just a codephrase. It could just as easily have been "pink elephant"
@@BaalsMistress ah OK brill
The entire scene is badass.
Case Orange sounds like War Plan Orange, American pre-WWII plan to deal with any conflict with Japan; Downfall is the code name for an aborted Allied invasion of Japan before the two atomic bombs.
I don't know if the reference is intentional. They could still be pure random coincidence.
The greatest enemy of humanity, not Cylon, not Borg, no Alien race….it is and always will be, humanity.
What I find the most interesting in this scene is not the assassination plot itself, but the place.
This happened after they planned the operation in the Galactica's war room. Adama is still in the war room, while Cain is on the Raptor returning to Pegasus.
Maybe I'm missing something, since it's been a while since I watched the episode. However,
- Cain is the flag officer of the fleet at this moment.
- Pegasus serve as Cain's flagship.
One question that struck my mind is...why isn't this take place on Pegasus's war room?
Maybe it's Cain's power move, or because Adama refuse to board the Pegasus due to prior confrontation, but another possibility occurred to me....maybe Pegasus doesn't have the war room?
It would also reinforce the theory in some materials that stated the Mercury-class Battlestar is a failed project suffered massively from design-by-committee syndrome. As such, she have tons of cool gadget that are worthless for what Battlestar is supposed to do, and not enough of what essential for combat operations.
Adama wouldn't step foot on Cain's ship because he knows she'd immediately arrest him.
That's why they had to meet on Colonial One when Starbuck returned with the intel on the resurrection ship.
About that last part. For what the mercury was meant to do she excelled at which was fighting cylons. In which their general fighting strategy was bang forehead into problem until problem no longer.
@@loganh2692the Mercury class appears to be more of a support ship than an actual front like warship. Pegasus having factories aboard takes up a bunch of space for combat equipment (notice Pegasus’s lack of dorsal and ventral batteries). If you can have both it’s ideal, but I’d rather have Jupiter Class Battlestar if I’m protecting the fleet than a Mercury.
@@jamesxiaolong2199 in most instances I would agree but there’s no denying a bow assault from the mercury is going to hurt any cylon warship it comes up on
@@loganh2692 don’t get me wrong Mercury has a few tricks up it’s sleeve, but the ship seems to be suited more for support or hit and run attacks. What the fleet needed was a convoy protector which a Jupiter class ship was better able to provide.
"Adama and Cain are revealed to have abandoned the respective assassination orders" Yet the video shows exactly the opposite, Cain and Adama both giving orders for their assassination plans.
They changed their minds after destroying the resurrection ship.
The Number Six killed Cane.
@@ethenallen1388 And Seven missed Adama....
@@charlesray9674 “seven” ??? Seven was Daniel and he his series was murdered by Cavil because he was jealous of the attention he got from Ellen.
@@Tony-InLosAngeles That's what we, in the industry, call a "joke"
@@piritskenyer “we” “industry” “joke”
Explain 🤷🏻♂️
Im so happy they asked Michelle Forbes to play this character, she's the 9nly one who could have pulled it off! ❤
One thing about the battle- there's no doubt that they'll fail, as the battle itself wasn't the focus of the battle. What if something went wrong? Say, they knock out the resurrection FTL, but 3 more base stars jump in surrounding both battlestars? They leave not celebrating, but in flames, with heavy casualties. What would most likely happen next?
3 base stars against 2 battlestars? I'm still not really that worried. And can't they just jump out anyway?
My favorite show always.
So say we all
Just watched this yesterday, such a cool episode
Can you upload the season 2 premiere where it's still this scene but they shoot it as part of the recap and with different music? I really dug it
I guess it's too much to ask for you to upload these in something vaguely resembling chronological order?
If you click the "SHOW MORE" just below the video you'll see links to
Season 1 & Season 2 playlists, Space Battles and lots more, all for your chronological viewing pleasure!!
Always made me sad that the blackbird got destroyed so quickly. Even worse it’s Apollo who destroys it and he didn’t help build it. Sigh… Apollo also destroyed the Pegasus. Frak Apollo
This is why Lee can’t have nice things….
That was such a good show. I wish it could have lasted more seasons then it did.
What, and watch them farming for 3 more seasons? ;)
Further expanding...Seasons 1 and 2 were ok..story line focus should have been escape, survival, and the events that lead up to the collapse of the civilization. Season 2 - 3 should have had stories of finding other small colonies, new ships being found (should have been other military ships other than Galactica anyway), fleet beginning to descend into near starvation and hopelessness with some wanting to go down fighting rather than continue on.
I'll be damned if you can discipline someone for not following out verbal orders.
"ARE YOU TRUE LIFE?" You better prepare your answer before a fleet of Posbi fragmental spaceships has a problem with theodicy.
This show how some good acting but was a wasted opportunity when it came to plot and story line. The last few seasons bordered on absurd.
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Gaius did nothing wrong!!
So say we all ! 😂
On the other hand, there's a lot of stuff he didn't do RIGHT, either.
GINA. NUKE. GAIUS DID LITERALLY EVERYTHING WRONG except the Butterfingers remark
@@Onigirli Cain ending up dead is something that counts as wrong on his part. Just everything after that such as hiding Gina and handing her that nuke.
Terrible acting. Taking cover behind iron bars during a shootout, and why is he holding his arm so far out? With so much debris flying everywhere, his face should be buried in his arm or jacket.
No one quite puts it the way Adama does.
Cain - I want you to terminate Adama's command.
Adama - I want you to shoot Admiral Cain in the head.
Though Adama only wanted Cain dead, from the way Cain says it "Starting with Adama" I always thought she meant to wipe out the entire bridge crew of Galactica so their would be no more Galactica officers left that would have been loyal to Adama.
@@joec9693 I thought so too, hence why she needed so many marines on board
@@joec9693 Which speaks to the asymmetry between the two, and the fact that both of them are aware of it: Cain knows that Adama's crew is loyal to him and she'll have to kill many if not most of them before the rest will submit at gunpoint, whereas Adama knows that Cain's crew is held in check by pure intimidation and seeing her shot dead before their eyes will be a relief.
Adama realized Cain was corrupt, ruled by fear, and did not have the loyalty of the crew. So he only needed to take her out.
Cain planned to take out all of Adama's crew that was necessary. Imagine what she would have done to the civilian fleet.
I also love the shot earlier, where it's Galactica surrounded by the civilian fleet, and the Pegasus alone
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The arrival of Pegasus felt like a relief. I remember goosebumps from the music and visuals, feeling happiness with characters that FINALLY something good happened. Too good to be true. So naturally they were almost shooting each other next episode.
Indeed, too good to be true. To me it never felt completely right from the start, like trouble was immediatly brewing.
In Todd the Wraith's voice: naturally...
I only watched the 70s one time around the time the miniseries dropped, but if memory serves in that version it was. So they played with expectations.
Imagine if they had both given the order at the same time, and you had Adama AND Cain dead?!?
would have been the most likely outcome in the situation, given their respected plans had they followed through. And had that happened humanities last remaining military strength would have collapsed as they would have lost their last two remaining military leaders, along with their most senior officers. After which further infighting between the two ship crews would have erupted to the point where it would have devastated their military capability and no longer be able to fight the cylons, let alone defend the fleet effectively
And I assume Starbuck would've been killed too right after. If this show did that whole "alt universe" gimmick I would've liked to see what that world would've looked like managing THAT chaos
@@Lightingwarrior i think thats why they both called it off. They were both aware that both of them planned for the other to be assassinated.
@@user-ch1qv4qk4z seemed to me that formed a sort mutual respect for one another's abilities andvthey realised after destroying the cylon fleet what they could do achieve by working together instead of against and decided to make peace instead of spoiling their victory by stabbing the other in the back
The fleet would have gone into Civil War, and the Cylons would have ripped them apart
In the end their better angels prevailed. I feel like they would have made a good team in the end, had Cain lived. She had to die though, in service to the story. Hard to call the show BSG when Pegasus is the flagship and carries the Officer making all the decisions.
@@jmnnl2279 Cain was driven by vengeance after personally witnessing the fall of the Colonies at the Scorpio Shipyards which is what drove her to this point. Adama even admitted that if Roslin wasn't around, he might've ended up like Cain.
@@jmnnl2279 I’m not so sure Cain would have killed Adama after this. She cancelled her assassination order at the end of the mission.
Yeah for some reason I completely memoryholed the fact that Cain too backed off at the last second. Until my first rewatch I always assumed Fisk just got distracted/interrupted somehow. It's cool but also a shame, I would've liked to see what Cain was willing to concede to make it work with Adama...
@@jamesxiaolong2199And nothing about that made sense from an objective writing standpoint. Imagine that Palpatine, on the eve of Order 66, decided he either doesn’t despise the Jedi or view them as an obstacle to his objectives. She has no problem eliminating whoever challenges her. Why not Adama, aside from the reason that she apparently detected plot armor?
And even though Cain spared Adama, I’m still ecstatic she bit the dust. The ship didn’t survive because of her. It survived in spite of her and a vendetta that endangered everyone. Starbuck is a dumbass for suggesting otherwise.
Oh, and she, at minimum, endorsed sexual assault for the sake of it, so her death is just karma.
The resurrection ship arc was the apex of BSG.
The difference that Adama and Cain use in their descriptions of both the operations, and the execution of the missions is extremely telling to their characters. Cain is not fully invested, Adama could not be more so.
Cain's operation is Case Orange. Adama's is Downfall.
Cain tells her XO to terminate Adama's command, starting with Adama.
Adama tells Starbuck to shoot Cain in the head.
One is questioning, non-committal, and somewhat vague. Adama is not.
Adama is more emotionally involved too. Two of his men are prisoners, set to be executed, while Cain is basically trying to destroy the culture of his ship, taking people they've worked six months with and breaking them to get Adama to follow her.
Also, the woman he definitely has feelings for and also the President wants her dead, it's why Adama is considering it to begin with.
Their plans are almost exactly the same as when Sharon shot Adama in Season 1.
I mean to be fair it did work on Adama
She'd succeed if she'd not forget about the 'head' part.
Quite possibly where Adama got the idea.
Adama: hey Admiral Cain, the Cylons pulled this hilarious prank on me once, want me to show you?
..And all they'd have to really do, is for President Roslin to appoint whichever minister title corresponding to "chief of staff", that person would then be Adm. Cain's direct superior, that person could relay Roslin's orders in proper chain-of-command (which Cain seems to understand perfectly due to how she often quoted regulations and correct procedures that way)
As stated in the previous episodes Cain wouldn’t recognise it, just like her “detached flag officer” BS when she tries to murder Tyrol and Agathon
What doesn't make sense is why Adama would so readily accept a Pegasus marine team on Galactica. Wouldn't both leaders be thinking: If I wanna knock him/her off, he/she is probably thinking the same thing. But here's a simple plot patch, Cain says: “…loyal. Razors. We’ll tell them we suspect a Cylon agent is embedded in their CIC….”
y'all don't need me...just sit back and watch y'all do each other in!
I could see why Adama backed off, especially after talking with Sharon and her speech about humanity and whether it deserved to survive.
I’ve never gotten why Cain didn’t follow through, though. For someone who was ‘by the book’, why stop?
Did Adama garner a small bit of respect from her, especially after a victorious battle? Was it possible she was actually intimidated by Adama, and that maybe she understood they survive longer working together?
Oh, and Fisk’s hooded eyes…I couldn’t even see them.
Weaving spiders come not here.
Season 4-5 - Faced with human extinction, world governments attempt to unite to build new ships and technologies aimed at fighting off the Cylons (whom have not been seen in some time). Galactica on patrol discovers the Cylons closing towards earth and lures them away to buy Earth more time. I think there could have been many interesting concepts and storylines played out but this show went the wrong direction with religion typed themes.
I like how Cmdr Adama's plan was a simple assassination of Cain while Admiral Cain's was the decapitation of the entire Galactica command, starting from Adama..
Best science fiction to date. Human beings placed I dire and unprecedented situations.
Best line in the whole show at the end there.
Happy hunting, both didnt know
Interesting, the end justifies the means. I know the story makes us care more about Adama, but in the end he's not that different from Cain. It's good that they didn't end up assassinating each other.
That's rather shortshighted. Even if Adama admitted he could've been what Cain was, they were pretty far from each other. Cain is driven by revenge and bitterness, she's ruthless to the point of being almost a monster. She'd sacrifice anything to get her means done. Adama cares about people, about his people, and even when he resorts to extreme measures (like in this scene) he does when he can't see any other way, and even then, he outgrew this decisions, and cancelled in the end.
I'd say Cain would've been able to develop far beyond the anger, but that's a vague proposition. If you watched Razor you can understand Cain better, and she's far from Adama.
@@su0tin731 I did watch Razer long ago, but I dont't remember every detail. You're of course right. Adama certainly adheres to different values. It's the prime reason why he keeps his sanity and effectively sticks to humane leadership the whole journey, even when confronted multiple times with humanities worst behavior.
Something else to note, not shown in the video, but Roslin, the President and Adama's crush, asked him to kill her, with Cain being the active passive aggressor, with Marines clearing the area when arriving, taking frankly all of his senior 'ground members,' Lee, Starbuck, Tyrol, and Helo, and also disrespected the President multiple times.