They turned down a friend of mine who lost his job. He needed food, so l bought him food, gave him cash to move and let him stay at my house till he moved.. He has died and l always remember the church turning him down. Sad because people in my family have given thousands to this church..
@christophermorreall3454 After I just pointed out that the church helped out with food, you tell me the LDS church does nothing. How stupid do you think I am.
A lot of thoughts on this video, I find it all very very disturbing! One thing that bothered me was that the church only donated 2.2b in 34 years to humanitarian efforts but can pay cash for a $1.5b mall in SLC; which by the way, doesn’t allow homeless inside and only caters to the upper-middle class and up.
It's pretty hypocritical, and not at all how I would see Jesus acting. They constantly cite the parable of the talents, but I don't think the message of that parable was to get filthy rich off the stock market!
Thank you for your clear and accurate research and videos! I don’t know what the end game of the Mormon church is but it is not to share the “true” gospel or help the “true” needy.
The Church also pays mission presidents. Not directly as a salary, but in reimbursing most living expenses, paying for the mission home, transportation, education for their children, health insurance, etc.. You can Google compensation for mission presidents to learn more. Additionally the church often does provide cars for the missionaries. So mission expenses are a bit more than just transportation for missionaries. I think teachers and leaders in the MTC also get compensation. Still does not change a thing, because as you state, none of this comes from the ensign peak fund. Keep on speaking truth to power. 😁
I have an uncle who just finished a stint as a mission president and I want soooo badly to be like, so what'd they pay ya? but he's scary, so yeah that's not happening
@@jayanderson147 Here is a good article about mission president compensation, which they estimate as a possible $100k/year depending upon several factors. www.mrm.org/mission-president-handbook
@@tysonhoffman7443 The latest is that they get a salary of $140,000 PLUS all those expenses covered, like the first Quorum of 70 and the Apostles, so it’s mostly fun money. We know this because in Finland by law everyone with a salary has to have that salary publicly published, so by tracking how much the Finland mission present is paid we can keep up with the current salary for mission presidents and general authorities which is understood to be the same.
@@hundertwasse as a mission finance secretary in 2014, I can confirm and it’s around 12000 per month for the mission presidency and another 12000 usd for his wife, almost $300,000 a year per couple.
Now that the church has enough money to sustain itself without tithing from members (counting just stock market investments, not to mention church owned for profit businesses, real estate, etc) - Encouraging members to give tithing directly to the poor would actually be devine revelation.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON One more thing the book I read mentioned was that James, the brother of Jesus - who lead the church in Jerusalem for three decades after Jesus - was a huge champion of the poor. "James the just" he was called, and he was well respected even by most traditional Jews in Jerusalem. Too bad we only have one letter from James in the New Testament, but that one letter reflects Jesus' teachings very well, even down to excoriating the rich.
The psychological grip that the members willingly put themselves into from the church is both admirable and saddening. The church has financial educational classes, self reliance classes, academic educational classes, all that the average person would not see as bad, but when you do these classes, the church drills it into its members that all your time, talents, and interests should be centered and devoted to building the kingdom of God. It goes to show how strongly persuasive the church can be into making its members feel compelled to stay, and at times even obligated to devote their whole lives to the church, even if you feel compelled not to believe. I guess this video triggered these thoughts in me, good job on the video.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON I have Complex PTSD and Traumatic Amnesia and the church stole everything from me and paid to have me declared insane when I reported Balfour Beatty underaged military service in Bosnia and ritual abuse and Traumaric Brain Injury.
I remember some years ago hearing President Hinckley respond to a question about why the church doesn't do more for poverty and such. His response was that is not the primary mission of the church. The church cares more about their eternal salvation (temples, obedience) than it does for their mortal lives. I would love to find that quote and reference again, but it was a stunning revelation to me. Let his words marinate a bit! Thanks NEMO - I love your analysis, research and presentation. Keep it up!!
I just read a book about the priesthood/temple in Jesus' time. It helped me understand why Jesus had such sharp things to say to those in charge of the temple - with all the obligatory sacrificial purchases even by the poor, temple treasury, power, etc. I bet the High Priest would have answered the same way when asked why the temple treasury wasn't used more to help the poor.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Thanks. Also, Jesus claiming he was sent by God, mingling with sinners and telling them their sins were forgiven - pretty much circumvented the purpose of the temple and ritual sacrifices. The main significance of the temple being to draw near to God, and be purified in the process. Jesus provided this free of charge - "blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven". This is at least one of the reasons temple authorities were upset enough to orchestrate crucifixion for blasphemy.
My father in his last years (90's) was unable to get out to church, but the bishop use to visit him to collect his tithing, after he died my brother who is inactive handed over his very last tithing which my dad had put aside. We as a family have been in the church for well over 50 yrs . Joined 1964, and I reckon we as a family have paid over £250,000 in tithing between us, over that time period, and my dad died in the same council house that my mother grew up in as a child. Financially we have no assets, but there it is, and I don't suppose i am alone in this matter. So again i ask what is the difference then between tithing and " sale of indulgences" the Catholic church practiced in medieval times. Why should it take money to get into heaven? One other thing my wife and I have over 100 years of faithful church attendance every week but because we were not seen on "zoom" during the pandemic, our names were put on a list, our very good friend told us that as he is a ward missionary . 100 years, £50,000 in tithing , 5 sons sent on a mission and we were put on a list .
It takes zero money to get to heaven my friend, that's entirely free and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. God will welcome all whom are worthy and worthiness is neither bought, nor earned, What does God require but that you do justice, love mercy and walk humbly. Personally I don't actually believe in God, however rest assured that if you do, it's just Love your neighbour as yourself, that is to be considerate and caring of others you come in contact with as you'd like them to be careful and considerate of you, no more than that... I really hope you don't give these unscrupulous folks any more of your hard earned cash, but do good directly with ig in your own life and the lives of those you know ... far more precious to God..... God bless you ❤
One Sunday morning My grandmother was driving off to church and my grandfather told me she might as well go she has bought and paid for one of the lesson rooms. The Mormon church has gotten wealthy selling the idea that when you pay tithing God becomes your debtor. God owes you a debt and when you die you are there to collect. They believe they have a performance contract that God must deliver on. Payment can be blessings, celestial glory, or even eternal sex with many goddess wives. This thought pattern really fires up the carnal mind. You paid, now God is bound contractually. Biblically, this kind of thinking will take you straight to hell. Salvation is through grace not works. Paul said if you mix grace with works Jesus's death on the cross becomes of no effect to you...
This makes me laugh because the closed captioning keeps calling it the “enzyme peak fund.” On a related note, my mom said that if she won a $1,000,000, she would donate it to the church’s humanitarian center. I didn’t say anything, but that me sick to my stomach because the church doesn’t use any of their billion of dollars to help the poor and needy.
I paid for my own transportation and the mission. Church paid nothing for me. Even all the books of mormon I gave out were donated by members. Where was the church money and all the tithes? My parents still paid tithing above and beyond the missionary expense. I even purchased all my own suits, ties, shirts, shoes..etc. church paid nothing. Again my parents received no discount from personal tithing after all this expense. We still had to pay a full tithe. Unbelievable. I believe missionary expense should be a deduction. After all those funds are still being used toward the Lord and his Church. I'm glad my boys did not serve...I could not afford tithing and missionary expenses.
Fantastic work, devastating! A+ work as usual. As asked, I'd like to see the easiest and provable lie from each PSR fact checked for those who always blame members, personally and think the top leadership are squeaky clean....each linked to a reputable source.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that Ensign Peak pays a tithe to the Humanitarian efforts of the Church/LDS charities. Did you not know about that?
Thank you Nemo for all your valuable facts. I had lunch yesterday with some older members who are good people and I briefly mentioned how I came to know the Book of Abraham was a false book and it was as if I were speaking ''heresy'' and they did not want to know. I realised that if you have lived your whole life believing the church was true, to find out the opposite late in life would be soul destroying because you would have to understand that for your whole life you believed a lie and trusted church leaders who told those lies. The only solution is total denial. Your belief in your genealogy efforts or your belief in being sealed to your loved ones etc. is a total lie made up by a false prophet, Joseph Smith! How devastating that would be - in this case denial of the actual truth is the only solution!
The parable of the redemption of Zion, D&C 101:43-66, is absolutely amazing when compared with the LDS church. The leaders disobeyed their lord in v48-49 and gave the money to the exchangers instead of building the kingdom of God. This of course would be very similar to what the LDS church is doing now. In 1907 Joseph F. Smith who was prophet at the time said we would one day no longer pay tithing. "Furthermore, I want to say to you, we may not be able to reach it right away, but we expect to see the day when we will not have to ask you for one dollar of donation for any purpose, except that which you volunteer to give of your own accord, because we will have tithes sufficient in the storehouse of the Lord to pay everything that is needful for the advancement of the kingdom of God. I want to live to see that day, if the Lord will spare my life. It does not make any difference, though, so far as that is concerned, whether I live or not. That is the true policy, the true purpose of the Lord in the management of the affairs of His Church."
Meeting houses i am sure roi very quickly. Do they get property tax breaks, better utility rates than residential? Probably. The maintenance cost on a building is negligible compared to the revenue the building brings in. Probably less than 1% annual maintenance cost.
I recently read an article in which James Huntsman is suing the Mormon Church for tithing he paid that was spent on non charitable expenses....What’s going to happen next?
The shit Rusty pulled in Kenya about paying tithing honestly boils my blood, like what a fucking colonialist stance, could you exploit those people anymore??
Ecclesiastical "leaders" have ALWAYS been able to obtain and maintain their cat-bird positions by convincing "the flock" of their moral, spiritual, and / or intellectual superiority. ANY organization on Earth that doesn't have competition operates basically on plain old politics, and this is the case with "the Church." That's why you have younger Hollands, Eyrings, and Rasbands, etc., etc., etc., etc., being magically "anointed" so they too never have to worry about financial status or stability.
How are operating costs 6 billions? I can`t wrap my head around it. For electricity and toilette paper they give out 6 billions a a year? I would love to see the balance sheet.
Think of how many people pay tithing because they want to. This kind of critiquing spiritual things from a secular perspective never gives you the whole picture.
Your response is true, but the Mormon Church has been dishonest about so many issues over the whole of its existence, the lack of any significant charitable work and the running church-owned business for profit both all point to an organization that makes it a practice to isolate members from the truth and from facts that aren't flattering.
Repeatedly Joseph Smith Jr. Condemned members for speculation. All scriptures teach that we can't serve God and Mammon, mammon is any financial transaction! How about separation from Babylon? The goal of redeeming Zion? To have no poor among us! Our Church is under condemnation by God, for disobedience and other sins.
The whole world and every thing on it is a gift of God, including the very air we breath and every drop of rain. The whole world is also the Lord's footstool and we are here, only according to His devine will and pleasure. It is our honor and privilege to contribute to the building-up of the kingdom of God here on earth. Any funds, held in reserve, remains under care and direction of the sustained financial officers of the Church. The fact that there exist "funds held in reserve," is not a bad thing but evidence of responsibility toward those sacred funds and respect for the donors.
Strange how many can think of way better ways for one to spend the money in their charge. Some with this notion would do better to worry about their own buisness dealings, and less time in others buisness. And, why do they owe you an answer. Have you a claim or any legal standing? If they broke the law, step up with a valid claim or, put up or shut up?
Me again I know you mention you are still attending church and consider yourself active despite your 3 hr interview we with John Dehlin but to reference to "the audacity of President Nelson to make a statement" indicates hints of aposasty. Bof M mentions you are ultimately granted the desires of your heart such that spiritual knowledge you have can and will be taken away Alma 12: 10-11 You see from the comments you get the vast majority are from church anti's liking what you post is this your purpose? Even if you say it is not they speak for themselves I'm afraid my friend and current brother in the gospel you will fact check yourself out of the church. You are clearly intelligent be careful or some day you will stand before the Saviour and weep at the realization of what you turned your back on
I appreciate your concern. My views have continued to change and evolve since my interview with John, I decided against walking away from the church, and thought there may be some utility to remaining involved in the conversation and allowing members to encounter a different viewpoint. The scriptures say there must be opposition in all things, and I personally believe that opposition can be loyal and should come from within the church itself. I remain involved at a ward and stake level.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON interesting way to look at opposition I have never thought of it that way you mentioned. In 2 Nephi chapter 2 discusses agency and opposition is it clear from chapter 2 opposition is from the devil. I don't know your intents of your heart but God does. 2 Nephi chapter 2 is one of many chapters I read that has allowed me to say my testimony of the BofM is unshakable and thus Joseph Smith is the Prophet of the restoration
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has done $54.8 BILLION in grant payments since its inception. www.gatesfoundation.org/about/foundation-fact-sheet The church has done $2.2 BILLION. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation has done about 25 times as much as the church...
@@NEMOTHEMORMON do you have actual documented proof behind your facts or are you just making your stuff up? "Since 1985, LDS Charities has provided over $2.2 billion in assistance, including cash, commodities and in-kind donations in 197 countries and territories." LDS charities is but one part of the church charitable wings, you failed to mention even though you know about it, the fast offerings, the church welfare program, I don't know if you know about Deseret Industries, etc. You failed to mention in your fake fact checking that the church uses tithes to pay for the overhead of LDS charities so that what people donate to LDS charities goes direct to the charitable work at hand. You failed to mention that BYU is actually more affordable than a lot of other universities and you failed to mention that we operate high schools and other educational centers in Tonga and other parts of the world. BYU tuition cost $5790 in tuition per year, UC Davis a university near me operated by the State of California cost $14,495 per year.. Your explanation of the church only paying for missionaries to fly to and from their missions is also short sighted. Currently missionaries pay $500, most apartments in the United States cost well over $1000, so their contributions don't even come close to what it cost to actually be in the field.
@@BrianTerrill you're stating a whole lot of numbers without "dunking" on Nemo. His numbers are accurate. Look at the recent report of how much the LDS church made off of GME, which is ridiculous in the first place. Once I see those captial gains going to good use and not building more temples we can talk.
@@matthewmessner1105 the building of temples is good use, it puts construction workers to work doing quality projects. You probably just want our tithing and extra income the church earns to feed lazy people who don't want to work
@@BrianTerrill okay I'm sorry I just can't buy this answer. That's not how tithing is meant to be distributed. You're basically giving me the ol Reagan trickle down economics. Christ went out and washed the feet of the needy and sickly. Mormons build temples which Christ never wanted. I'm not mad at the LDS wealth, I'm mad that they don't act like their Christ.
They turned down a friend of mine
who lost his job. He needed food,
so l bought him food, gave him
cash to move and let him
stay at my house till he moved..
He has died and l always remember the church turning
him down. Sad because people in my family have given thousands
to this church..
Every time my family was in need the church helped us with food, good job bragging about helping others
@@BrianTerrill the LDS Church does nothing
@christophermorreall3454 After I just pointed out that the church helped out with food, you tell me the LDS church does nothing. How stupid do you think I am.
I keep thinking I'll find the bottom of the mormon pit of hypocrisy and lies.....not yet. Shame on them. Thank you so much for all of your videos!
You’re very welcome! As long as the church lies and fails to be transparent, I’ll keep calling them out!
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A lot of thoughts on this video, I find it all very very disturbing! One thing that bothered me was that the church only donated 2.2b in 34 years to humanitarian efforts but can pay cash for a $1.5b mall in SLC; which by the way, doesn’t allow homeless inside and only caters to the upper-middle class and up.
It's pretty hypocritical, and not at all how I would see Jesus acting. They constantly cite the parable of the talents, but I don't think the message of that parable was to get filthy rich off the stock market!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON what's hypocritical is you calling your accusations "fact checking".
@@matthewdavisson actually I love facts it is you who hates facts and truth
@@BrianTerrill Its great for the church to have aesily manipulated members as you.
@@jamesmorphe8003 it's great that you're an idiot who thinks people like me can be manipulated
Thank you for your clear and accurate research and videos! I don’t know what the end game of the Mormon church is but it is not to share the “true” gospel or help the “true” needy.
You’re welcome! I think it’s certainly lost its way!
The widows mite seems to be more valuable than the widow.
The longer I watch this video the madder I get. The church is so unfair to it’s members.
You’re either really smart or it’s the British accent. Either way I’m subbed and love your videos man. Keep it up.
Thanks! I can assure you it’s the accent!
Why can't it be both? 😉
The Church also pays mission presidents. Not directly as a salary, but in reimbursing most living expenses, paying for the mission home, transportation, education for their children, health insurance, etc..
You can Google compensation for mission presidents to learn more.
Additionally the church often does provide cars for the missionaries. So mission expenses are a bit more than just transportation for missionaries. I think teachers and leaders in the MTC also get compensation.
Still does not change a thing, because as you state, none of this comes from the ensign peak fund.
Keep on speaking truth to power. 😁
Tyson Hoffman serves me right for taking the church newsroom at face value 😂 thanks for the further light and knowledge 😉
I have an uncle who just finished a stint as a mission president and I want soooo badly to be like, so what'd they pay ya? but he's scary, so yeah that's not happening
@@jayanderson147 Here is a good article about mission president compensation, which they estimate as a possible $100k/year depending upon several factors. www.mrm.org/mission-president-handbook
@@tysonhoffman7443 The latest is that they get a salary of $140,000 PLUS all those expenses covered, like the first Quorum of 70 and the Apostles, so it’s mostly fun money. We know this because in Finland by law everyone with a salary has to have that salary publicly published, so by tracking how much the Finland mission present is paid we can keep up with the current salary for mission presidents and general authorities which is understood to be the same.
@@hundertwasse as a mission finance secretary in 2014, I can confirm and it’s around 12000 per month for the mission presidency and another 12000 usd for his wife, almost $300,000 a year per couple.
I give this video one hundred billion thumbs up!
Now that the church has enough money to sustain itself without tithing from members (counting just stock market investments, not to mention church owned for profit businesses, real estate, etc) - Encouraging members to give tithing directly to the poor would actually be devine revelation.
Lee M it’d be brilliant! But it shows where there heart is that they don’t.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON One more thing the book I read mentioned was that James, the brother of Jesus - who lead the church in Jerusalem for three decades after Jesus - was a huge champion of the poor. "James the just" he was called, and he was well respected even by most traditional Jews in Jerusalem.
Too bad we only have one letter from James in the New Testament, but that one letter reflects Jesus' teachings very well, even down to excoriating the rich.
The psychological grip that the members willingly put themselves into from the church is both admirable and saddening.
The church has financial educational classes, self reliance classes, academic educational classes, all that the average person would not see as bad, but when you do these classes, the church drills it into its members that all your time, talents, and interests should be centered and devoted to building the kingdom of God.
It goes to show how strongly persuasive the church can be into making its members feel compelled to stay, and at times even obligated to devote their whole lives to the church, even if you feel compelled not to believe. I guess this video triggered these thoughts in me, good job on the video.
Thanks, glad it promoted some introspection and a really interesting analysis of the church's psychological impact. Keep it coming!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON I have Complex PTSD and Traumatic Amnesia and the church stole everything from me and paid to have me declared insane when I reported Balfour Beatty underaged military service in Bosnia and ritual abuse and Traumaric Brain Injury.
I remember some years ago hearing President Hinckley respond to a question about why the church doesn't do more for poverty and such. His response was that is not the primary mission of the church. The church cares more about their eternal salvation (temples, obedience) than it does for their mortal lives. I would love to find that quote and reference again, but it was a stunning revelation to me. Let his words marinate a bit!
Thanks NEMO - I love your analysis, research and presentation. Keep it up!!
Thank you! If you do ever find that quote, please share it!
I just read a book about the priesthood/temple in Jesus' time. It helped me understand why Jesus had such sharp things to say to those in charge of the temple - with all the obligatory sacrificial purchases even by the poor, temple treasury, power, etc. I bet the High Priest would have answered the same way when asked why the temple treasury wasn't used more to help the poor.
Lee M it’s a striking resemblance, thanks for sharing!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Thanks. Also, Jesus claiming he was sent by God, mingling with sinners and telling them their sins were forgiven - pretty much circumvented the purpose of the temple and ritual sacrifices. The main significance of the temple being to draw near to God, and be purified in the process. Jesus provided this free of charge - "blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
This is at least one of the reasons temple authorities were upset enough to orchestrate crucifixion for blasphemy.
thats gross but I'm honestly not surprised
My father in his last years (90's) was unable to get out to church, but the bishop use to visit him to collect his tithing, after he died my brother who is inactive handed over his very last tithing which my dad had put aside. We as a family have been in the church for well over 50 yrs . Joined 1964, and I reckon we as a family have paid over £250,000 in tithing between us, over that time period, and my dad died in the same council house that my mother grew up in as a child. Financially we have no assets, but there it is, and I don't suppose i am alone in this matter. So again i ask what is the difference then between tithing and " sale of indulgences" the Catholic church practiced in medieval times. Why should it take money to get into heaven?
One other thing my wife and I have over 100 years of faithful church attendance every week but because we were not seen on "zoom" during the pandemic, our names were put on a list, our very good friend told us that as he is a ward missionary . 100 years, £50,000 in tithing , 5 sons sent on a mission and we were put on a list .
Why would you still waste your time?
It takes zero money to get to heaven my friend, that's entirely free and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. God will welcome all whom are worthy and worthiness is neither bought, nor earned, What does God require but that you do justice, love mercy and walk humbly. Personally I don't actually believe in God, however rest assured that if you do, it's just Love your neighbour as yourself, that is to be considerate and caring of others you come in contact with as you'd like them to be careful and considerate of you, no more than that... I really hope you don't give these unscrupulous folks any more of your hard earned cash, but do good directly with ig in your own life and the lives of those you know ... far more precious to God..... God bless you ❤
One Sunday morning My grandmother was driving off to church and my grandfather told me she might as well go she has bought and paid for one of the lesson rooms. The Mormon church has gotten wealthy selling the idea that when you pay tithing God becomes your debtor. God owes you a debt and when you die you are there to collect. They believe they have a performance contract that God must deliver on. Payment can be blessings, celestial glory, or even eternal sex with many goddess wives. This thought pattern really fires up the carnal mind. You paid, now God is bound contractually. Biblically, this kind of thinking will take you straight to hell. Salvation is through grace not works. Paul said if you mix grace with works Jesus's death on the cross becomes of no effect to you...
This makes me laugh because the closed captioning keeps calling it the “enzyme peak fund.” On a related note, my mom said that if she won a $1,000,000, she would donate it to the church’s humanitarian center. I didn’t say anything, but that me sick to my stomach because the church doesn’t use any of their billion of dollars to help the poor and needy.
Thanks for your videos and the research
Glad you like them! I appreciate your comments too, keep 'em coming!
Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple.......He needs to come back and repeat that action......
I have stopped thinking of "the church" as a church. It is not a church. To me it is a business. And not an ethical one at that.
I totally understand that, and I fear you may be right!
I paid for my own transportation and the mission. Church paid nothing for me. Even all the books of mormon I gave out were donated by members. Where was the church money and all the tithes? My parents still paid tithing above and beyond the missionary expense. I even purchased all my own suits, ties, shirts, shoes..etc. church paid nothing. Again my parents received no discount from personal tithing after all this expense. We still had to pay a full tithe. Unbelievable. I believe missionary expense should be a deduction. After all those funds are still being used toward the Lord and his Church. I'm glad my boys did not serve...I could not afford tithing and missionary expenses.
Fantastic work, devastating! A+ work as usual. As asked, I'd like to see the easiest and provable lie from each PSR fact checked for those who always blame members, personally and think the top leadership are squeaky clean....each linked to a reputable source.
Richard R you’ll have to enlighten me as to what PSR is!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON I think it is Public Service Record.
The business of the church is business. The church is lead by a living profit.
It sure seems that way!
Mormon Jesus is coming and he's gonna need an Armani suit and a private jet
He’s been wearing the same robe for 2000 years, give the man a break!!! 😂
Deep down they know God has not been speaking to them
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that Ensign Peak pays a tithe to the Humanitarian efforts of the Church/LDS charities. Did you not know about that?
Have you got a source for that?
@Nemo the Mormon it was mentioned in a GC a few years ago I believe. Can't remember who said it. I'll try to find it.
Please do!
Thank you Nemo for all your valuable facts. I had lunch yesterday with some older members who are good people and I briefly mentioned how I came to know the Book of Abraham was a false book and it was as if I were speaking ''heresy'' and they did not want to know. I realised that if you have lived your whole life believing the church was true, to find out the opposite late in life would be soul destroying because you would have to understand that for your whole life you believed a lie and trusted church leaders who told those lies. The only solution is total denial. Your belief in your genealogy efforts or your belief in being sealed to your loved ones etc. is a total lie made up by a false prophet, Joseph Smith! How devastating that would be - in this case denial of the actual truth is the only solution!
The parable of the redemption of Zion, D&C 101:43-66, is absolutely amazing when compared with the LDS church. The leaders disobeyed their lord in v48-49 and gave the money to the exchangers instead of building the kingdom of God. This of course would be very similar to what the LDS church is doing now.
In 1907 Joseph F. Smith who was prophet at the time said we would one day no longer pay tithing.
"Furthermore, I want to say to you, we may not be able to reach it right away, but we expect to see the day when we will not have to ask you for one dollar of donation for any purpose, except that which you volunteer to give of your own accord, because we will have tithes sufficient in the storehouse of the Lord to pay everything that is needful for the advancement of the kingdom of God. I want to live to see that day, if the Lord will spare my life. It does not make any difference, though, so far as that is concerned, whether I live or not. That is the true policy, the true purpose of the Lord in the management of the affairs of His Church."
Meeting houses i am sure roi very quickly. Do they get property tax breaks, better utility rates than residential? Probably. The maintenance cost on a building is negligible compared to the revenue the building brings in. Probably less than 1% annual maintenance cost.
Also they have members do cleaning, they can probably get members to help do maintenance for less than market prices
I'm sure they do! And in places like the UK, property is most certainly an appreciating asset!
I recently read an article in which James Huntsman is suing the Mormon Church for tithing he paid that was spent on non charitable expenses....What’s going to happen next?
The church are pretty good at getting these sorts of claims dismissed, but we'll have to wait and see!
The shit Rusty pulled in Kenya about paying tithing honestly boils my blood, like what a fucking colonialist stance, could you exploit those people anymore??
It’s really not a good look. I still can’t understand how this doesn’t upset more members!
Ecclesiastical "leaders" have ALWAYS been able to obtain and maintain their cat-bird positions by convincing "the flock" of their moral, spiritual, and / or intellectual superiority. ANY organization on Earth that doesn't have competition operates basically on plain old politics, and this is the case with "the Church." That's why you have younger Hollands, Eyrings, and Rasbands, etc., etc., etc., etc., being magically "anointed" so they too never have to worry about financial status or stability.
Brethren The will of the lord is that we build a mall and buy a hotel in Hawaii.
How are operating costs 6 billions? I can`t wrap my head around it. For electricity and toilette paper they give out 6 billions a a year? I would love to see the balance sheet.
More than a rainy day fund, I would say!
Especially since god said he wouldn't flood the earth again, never gonna get that rainy!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON I'm taking a vacation from tithing Nemo!
This church lies steals and cheets. Satin has done a good job.
Don’t let that which you don’t know make you question that which you do know.
#Stocks #money #investing #mormons
I wish Gerald Causse would remove that fake smile from his face. It reminds me of a used car salesman.
Think of how many people pay tithing because they want to. This kind of critiquing spiritual things from a secular perspective never gives you the whole picture.
Your response is true, but the Mormon Church has been dishonest about so many issues over the whole of its existence, the lack of any significant charitable work and the running church-owned business for profit both all point to an organization that makes it a practice to isolate members from the truth and from facts that aren't flattering.
Repeatedly Joseph Smith Jr. Condemned members for speculation. All scriptures teach that we can't serve God and Mammon, mammon is any financial transaction! How about separation from Babylon? The goal of redeeming Zion? To have no poor among us! Our Church is under condemnation by God, for disobedience and other sins.
The whole world and every thing on it is a gift of God, including the very air we breath and every drop of rain. The whole world is also the Lord's footstool and we are here, only according to His devine will and pleasure. It is our honor and privilege to contribute to the building-up of the kingdom of God here on earth. Any funds, held in reserve, remains under care and direction of the sustained financial officers of the Church.
The fact that there exist "funds held in reserve," is not a bad thing but evidence of responsibility toward those sacred funds and respect for the donors.
The salvation army does better in salt lake.
Strange how many can think of way better ways for one to spend the money in their charge. Some with this notion would do better to worry about their own buisness dealings, and less time in others buisness. And, why do they owe you an answer. Have you a claim or any legal standing? If they broke the law, step up with a valid claim or, put up or shut up?
Me again I know you mention you are still attending church and consider yourself active despite your 3 hr interview we with John Dehlin but to reference to "the audacity of President Nelson to make a statement" indicates hints of aposasty.
Bof M mentions you are ultimately granted the desires of your heart such that spiritual knowledge you have can and will be taken away Alma 12: 10-11
You see from the comments you get the vast majority are from church anti's liking what you post is this your purpose? Even if you say it is not they speak for themselves
I'm afraid my friend and current brother in the gospel you will fact check yourself out of the church. You are clearly intelligent be careful or some day you will stand before the Saviour and weep at the realization of what you turned your back on
I appreciate your concern. My views have continued to change and evolve since my interview with John, I decided against walking away from the church, and thought there may be some utility to remaining involved in the conversation and allowing members to encounter a different viewpoint. The scriptures say there must be opposition in all things, and I personally believe that opposition can be loyal and should come from within the church itself. I remain involved at a ward and stake level.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON interesting way to look at opposition I have never thought of it that way you mentioned. In 2 Nephi chapter 2 discusses agency and opposition is it clear from chapter 2 opposition is from the devil. I don't know your intents of your heart but God does. 2 Nephi chapter 2 is one of many chapters I read that has allowed me to say my testimony of the BofM is unshakable and thus Joseph Smith is the Prophet of the restoration
The church does way more with humanitarian work than any other charity or organization. They're wise and smart to do what they do.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has done $54.8 BILLION in grant payments since its inception.
www.gatesfoundation.org/about/foundation-fact-sheet
The church has done $2.2 BILLION.
The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation has done about 25 times as much as the church...
@@NEMOTHEMORMON do you have actual documented proof behind your facts or are you just making your stuff up? "Since 1985, LDS Charities has provided over $2.2 billion in assistance, including cash, commodities and in-kind donations in 197 countries and territories." LDS charities is but one part of the church charitable wings, you failed to mention even though you know about it, the fast offerings, the church welfare program, I don't know if you know about Deseret Industries, etc. You failed to mention in your fake fact checking that the church uses tithes to pay for the overhead of LDS charities so that what people donate to LDS charities goes direct to the charitable work at hand. You failed to mention that BYU is actually more affordable than a lot of other universities and you failed to mention that we operate high schools and other educational centers in Tonga and other parts of the world. BYU tuition cost $5790 in tuition per year, UC Davis a university near me operated by the State of California cost $14,495 per year.. Your explanation of the church only paying for missionaries to fly to and from their missions is also short sighted. Currently missionaries pay $500, most apartments in the United States cost well over $1000, so their contributions don't even come close to what it cost to actually be in the field.
@@BrianTerrill you're stating a whole lot of numbers without "dunking" on Nemo. His numbers are accurate. Look at the recent report of how much the LDS church made off of GME, which is ridiculous in the first place. Once I see those captial gains going to good use and not building more temples we can talk.
@@matthewmessner1105 the building of temples is good use, it puts construction workers to work doing quality projects. You probably just want our tithing and extra income the church earns to feed lazy people who don't want to work
@@BrianTerrill okay I'm sorry I just can't buy this answer. That's not how tithing is meant to be distributed. You're basically giving me the ol Reagan trickle down economics. Christ went out and washed the feet of the needy and sickly. Mormons build temples which Christ never wanted.
I'm not mad at the LDS wealth, I'm mad that they don't act like their Christ.