2020 LDS Church Finances | THE BRITISH RESCUE
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- Join us as we discuss the latest Charity Commissions filing of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Great Britain.
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As an American in Idaho I wish our governments would require religions to give an accounting. Our tithing slips literally state that the church can allocate the money you give them any way they want not how you mark it on the tithing slips. You may designate $100 for humanitarian aid and they could use that donation to help buy a$148million dollar hotel in Hawaii from brother Marriott like they just did.
Yes the church is all business and no religion.
The church bought a hotel? Insane.
The hotel came with a bar attched, akward.
The tithing requirement actually caused me to shift. My parents took the kids to Brazil one summer to visit our cousin who was on a mission, and hoped that it would encourage us to go on one when we were of age. It seemed that lots of the members struggled to feed their family and pay the 10% gross salary for tithing. When I got home I looked into tithing, and learned that the requirement was originally 10% of one's surplus after all living expenses were deducted. In 1907, Joseph F. Smith also said that there would come a day when tithing wouldn't be required to advance the Kingdom of God. Based on available data, it looks like the church could do that today, but won't. It's also sad that a church that professes charity doesn't reciprocate what's expected of its members, and gives back less (as a % of what it takes in) than most Fortune 500 companies.
@@hbendzulla8213 The church runs it's business affairs well, and is also a wonderful religion. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. I would hope other organizations were ran as well as the LDS Church.
The dollar amount of donations to the church in comparison to the very small number of active members is incredible!!!
Hey, Nemo! My husband died a few months ago and I was informed that his membership will remain on the church records (and counted as a member) until he would have become 110 tears old (or 32 years).. This also meant our daughter who died 11 years ago at the age of 26 will still be counted as an active member of the church until 2094!!! I could be wrong, but that's what church leadership told me....just one of SO MANY reasons I'm resigning.
The only impact that all has is that no one will be allowed to do temple work for them without direct permission from an immediate family member until that 110 yrs has passed. Once they've deceased, they aren't counted as "active members" in any of the stats. Is it not true that they were baptised members at the time of their death? Did they have their membership records removed?
I do appreciate your ability to get to the point and clarify the issues in less than an hour podcast. Some other podcasts are onerous to listen to their laborious 3 to 4 hour podcasts.
Amen.
Spot-on comment!
Nemo, I’m a happy-go-lucky person from Boise, Idaho. Thank you for producing this content about financial transparency.
Our pleasure!
My "ward" here in NZ has had an average of only 60 odd members atteding sac mtg for the past decade -
now there is just 40 attending !
Great info! Thanks to both of you! Oh, how I wish we had this requirement in the US.
Me too, it would b me great to force some more transparency, what should a religious institution have to hide in its finances?
I wasn't aware of the 2nd Rexburg temple until you mentioned it. I lived near there for about a decade before moving back east where the church has almost zero influence, and certainly isn't a topic of conversation in the communities at large. Much better.
WOW Nemo...you find the best sources and people! It's hard for the church to argue against its own report that they have been having to submit yearly all these years. I suspect that the money isnt touched as a way of remaining out of any danger of losing their charitable status
lest they misstep with any of the funds.
If thats even partly true, they just dont seem to care how much their financial bottom lines cost the UK people and if it involves a complete nonsensicle neglect of the members needs there. I don't understand how the members there can stomach the second class status the American corporation distains them with. I guess they don't know. Thank God for your guest shedding some light on this. It's downright disgraceful!
Thanks for that, he's pretty awesome!
I can only say thank you and I really love that Eye opening podcast.
This video was a really great eye opener into the financial system of the church
Thanks, I really enjoyed learning from Kris
@@NEMOTHEMORMON yeah he did a really great job of summarising the data
This one went to my church finance list, the first video on my list is "Letter to an IRS Director (Full); $100 billion Mormon Church" made by Lars Nielsen.
Thanks for the work NEMO
this is very important, i believe many UK members still put some of the money into humanitarian aid and the church hasn't let them know that the church has enough funds to help.
Thanks again Nemo! Always good spot on and fair content! See you next year for the financial update. And everywhere in-between.
High praise indeed! Thanks for watching!
This makes me sick! Shame on them. How many YM and YW presidents use some of their own money for activities? The fact that the perpetual education fund has never been touched is disgusting. God I hate this church!
Most of the members are OK, not all of them.
I can’t tell you the number of different fundraisers I’ve been involved in, to take girls in my ward/stake to girls camp….it’s ridiculous that we have to sell sub sandwiches and bake goodies to sell to the families/members who “have money” to take girls to camp. It’s insane that we play these games, when the Church could easily subsidize these events for the members.
@@karawilson800 I did talk to one of the authorities associate it with the girls camp. They where are required to perform some pretty heavy construction. I ask him why doesn’t the church hire some contractors to do that heavy work. I was told this is work for the Lord. However really knowThis is getting it done cheap and the work is free and the church has more money and they can invest more in stocks and bonds and land and you name it. I was at
Let’s crowd fund the purchase of an old chapel and turn to a nightclub lmao. I could see Nemo as a DJ
The Church requires, upon sale of the property, that the edifices be torn down unless post-ownership usage is approved by the Church. I imagine a similar practice in the U.K.
@@Marco-xu1ss blimey that's extreme. A lot of mainstream churches in UK on selling a property may have a legal covenant eg not to ve sold to be a bar etc but that is usually only valid for the immediate buyers. Lots are turned into apartments, if they are listed as historic then you couldn't pull them down anyway. It's simple, you take away special items and it is a building. OK maybe with beautiful windows and decorative interiors, but it's not like the former occupants will catch the spiritual flu off the next uses.
I want a coffee shop called Latté-day Saints.
@@DancingQueenie BRUH YESSSS
I would literally fly from Utah just to attend a "service"
I actually would have thought that, since the funds are visible in England, they would have used a lot there. I feel like that would have helped with their optics and PR because people will naturally try to extrapolate from their funds there to guess at what they're doing elsewhere.
I know I’m crazy behind catching up on these old videos but thank you so much for leaving them up and continuing to produce more!!!
Glad you like them!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON I love all of them! I’ve only recently discovered a lot of this and have been going through podcasts chronologically, starting about 2018. So when you were on RFM’s show in 2021(?) I started watching all of your stuff, too. It’s brilliant and absolutely fascinating.
You guys are better than the news
The fact that the church is among the top charities in the UK is a great thing! However, we all know they could easily be the number one charity in the UK and in most other countries as well and they should do more to do that. With over 100 billion dollars stockpiled, they could be doing so much more charity in the world and making a real difference
It’s a great thing if they are a charity in the traditional sense of the word, however, the mainstay of the church’s operations is not helping the poor and needy etc
@@NEMOTHEMORMON It really bothers me that the church is so focused on building temples to “do work for the dead” that they are in essence ignoring the plight of the living who are suffering. Expenditures for the dead far exceed expenditures for the living. How is that Christlike?
Need to bear in mind that the ranking is in terms of the funds raised by the charity and not a ranking of the actual charitable work being performed.
@@johnrgnuk really? I didn’t realize that! I’d like to see the info on the groups based on charitable works given (hours donated, money donated, etc)
This needs to be public . Thx
Then share away my friend!
Notification gang! Y’all got to get on it before the church tried to pull it down
I shared this idea elsewhere but the church ought to replace “Every Member a Missionary” with “Every Member a Millionaire!” That wouldn’t only boost membership numbers, but it would help economies and communities. Besides, the members will turn around and pay 10% of it back to them when they get it! Win-win! I’d consider rejoining for a million dollar sign on bonus!
Edit: my math is completely wrong haha! How embarrassing! Still, the church is stinkin rich. Not every member could be made a millionaire
The comment is humorous but not really mathematically accurate- if the church's wealth were evenly split amongst it's "16 million" members, each would get less than $7,000
@@gavinwhite3871 it took me a minute to grasp what I did wrong. I’m not talking about dividing the 100 billion evenly, I mean literally giving each member $1 million each. 100 billion minus the 16 million still leaves the church 99.984 billion dollars. Then, the 16 million that left will be tithed and they’d see an immediate 1.6 million return
Church employees are required to hold temple recommends. So whatever they’re paid, they give 10% back to their employer. What a racket.
@@DancingQueenie can you imagine working for any company and being required to pay 10% (or any percentage) of your income back to said company? That’s messed up.
Edit: fixed wording
@@Sam-tu4hp It’s ridiculous. No. I cannot imagine essentially taking a 10% pay cut for the benefit of the already bloated dishonest tax-free con that goes around the world erecting useless great and spacious buildings. If they’d start building shelters, hospitals, low income housing or even supporting missionaries, it might be a different story.
Now imagining the job interview. “We’re offering you $50,000 but when we’re done with you it’s really $45,000.”
We were told by our denomination that we are not allowed to sit on large reserves without a clear plan for them (like funding for particular project) but not just sitting there for years. And that this had come from charity commission rules that charities should be spending their income on their charitable objects. Surely if lds UK are sitting on tithes and offerings that are not be used as given for then CC ought to look into that. Especially if those funds were collected for eg education fund that not being run at all.
They tell their poor members that the 100 billion + is set aside for the second coming. Ask yourself does the creator of the universe need that much help from Rusty Nelson…Ensign Peak hedge fund is a huge slush fund for the hierarchy 💰
Lawyers will respond that they are waiting for a future need for disaster, and that the law does not define how long the money can be used.
There is certainly a loophole in the law.
When you get a STIPEND for clothing, auto, gas, utilities, housing, collage, food, health care, phone, cable, internet, plus your wage how could you think it's not a good wage?
That 5 million is just a drop into the 140 Billion account the Church is sitting on. To hell with the widows, just give up your mites!
Thank you!
You’re very welcome!
Nemo, what was it that the church just purchased for 100million? I didn't catch that and I hadn't heard about that.
Alder Castle in London
Does anyone know why they purchased it?
If they REALLY want to Rescue the Church in Britain and indeed, the worldwide role, they would roll out the 3 Nephites. Some of the Apostles must be about their same age, so it would not be that much of a transition for the core and it would spark tremendous interest. I know I would pay to see them. They already meet with Jesus, so they should run it by him and go for it in 2022.
This is golden! How many Mormon folk stories are out there about the 3 Nephites in modern times do you imagine? I knew a man who claimed that on his mission they went to a rural village somewhere and the whole village had been waiting for them so the elders could baptize them. Supposedly the 3 nephites went and taught a whole village, converted them, told them two white missionaries would be coming soon, and then they walked off into the jungle. A few days later, he and his companion showed up. This was such an inspiring story to me as a kid, now it sounds like a great fairytale
They probably don't invest it because the UK tax laws may require specifics?
Then they should spend it. It was donated to be spent, not sit doing nothing.
How would you people feel about starting a new church that actually taught and practiced the TRUE gospel and ordinances that were originally established by the Father and Son through Jospeh Smith? We coul start with actually naming the church the original name as directed by Jesus, "The church of Christ"
I agree the British need to be rescued from the LDS Church.
I remember when Family History was seeking for the 5 Camera Operator. To photograph war records. I applied for the job. I was interviewed at Hyde Park chapel. I didn't get the job but I did get another job at the complex where Family History worked. There were three full employed Camera Operators. I met the man who interviewed. He made the mistake of employing Missionaries as slave labour. He actually apologised to me.
This is gangster shit!
Hahaha! Thanks!
You simply can’t leave the church alone. Each video you make further fulfills Jospeh’s prophecy.
Why should I not talk about my own church?
Why does a person remain on the record after their death until they reach 110 years old?? That’s so odd
To bolster their failing and declining membership numbers.
I believe that’s only if the church doesn’t know otherwise. In other words, if they don’t get word a person has died, they keep them on until age 110. It’s still too long, but it isn’t everyone. It’s only people they lose track of and don’t have a death record for.
They don't. If it is known that they're dead the name is removed immediately. Where a members whereabouts is unknown, it is assumed they're dead when they would be 110 years old.
@@justthefacts9796 Ok, that reasoning makes more sense. Thanks for educating me! I agree 110 is a bit too long and ought to be shortened
@@Sam-tu4hp It absolutely should be, by AT LEAST 10 years. Appearances over accuracy and truth. Even in the smallest details. Since 1830.
Can I ask, if a child is born and has a baby blessing and Therefore, a child of record. Is that classed as a member/number on the official statistics?
As far as I’m aware, baby blessings are an unofficial event in that it isn’t recorded or noted anywhere for church record purposes. Membership records aren’t begun for a person at their baby blessing but at their baptism (if born into the church, typically that’s at age 8). Whether or not they have ever been used for statistical misrepresentation though, I am not sure.
Edit: clarified my wording
yes
Yes once they get the baby blessing they are on the membership records. My wife and I are trying to get our records removed and found that my 5 year old has a membership record even though she had not been baptized yet. So we are working to get her records removed with ours. My 3 month old did not receive a baby blessing and therefore does not have a membership record. It is a way for the church to count them in their statistics.
@@brennonbehrmann1215 That’s crazy! I was an assistant ward clerk years ago and would make the parents a little certificate for the baby blessing but it wasn’t something we officially recorded at the time. Either I was accidentally not doing my job properly (completely possible) or they’ve changed policy since that time (also valid). Best wishes to you and your family! I’m in the process of getting my records removed, too
“The name which you shall be known upon the records of the church is”... said at all baby blessings
JK Rowling has started LUMOS as a means of ending institutionalization. The LDS church could donate those 5 million pounds to her charity and reunite children to families.
The LDS church could do the same type of work on their own---take those funds and empty orphanages in some African countries by providing resources to the families whose children are living there due to poverty. If families are able to get small amounts of money---sometimes a few hundred US dollars----to buy a cow, goats, some land to farm, etc. they can start a business and get their children out of the orphanages. Institutions are where children might get fed---but they are not a safe place for children to be raised.
Buying a dozen goats could take a few families from poverty to being self-sufficient. A goat in Uganda costs about $40. Imagine what millions could do?
That's not how that works... If it was that easy it would have been done.
@@markstenquist2315 the institutionalization of children in orphanages is a huge issue which is often ignored. Poverty and not the death of the parents is why children are in orphanages. Solving poverty issues reunites families.
$40 is what a ghost cost in America. I bet u could get 4 or 5 goats for that much in uganda.
A couple hundred thousand??😮😮 I understand US $ is about1$ to 2£ & my brother sold my parents home is couple of yrs after 2011 for about $500,00 that's probably around the same price😮😮😮
That's in Sandy Utah (Grannit stake )
Guildford Ward bought the land to build a chapel. They wanted to chop down the trees but they were opposed by residents. The land was later sold. Ironically Guildford Ward merged with Aldershot Ward. It was renamed Wey Valley Ward.
When do we get a new update for the year?
I’m curious about the church’s humanitarian aide. I’ve always been told that whenever there is a disaster anywhere around the world, the lds church is usually one of the first groups with boots on the ground. Does anyone know if this is true?
Their members are the real helpers, the corporations management just ride along on members coat tails and then claim the kudos…dodgy..🤫
@@pattykake7195 that’s such a great response haha! I actually really agree with you. The people go and do and the leadership profits
@@Sam-tu4hp Yes it’s disgraceful, trading on the good works of your dedicated “unpaid underlings “ ….👎🏽
Boots on the ground usually means their members are donating time and tools to help clean up disasters. As for aid that actually costs them money... Well, I'm sure they do enough so they can brag about it in the semiannual "world report" on the church that they air between conference sessions.
@@yorgasor Yes …you are probably correct the leadership love Bragging
Rights… 🗣🗣
$80k is a good wage in the USA but not crazy wage.
Seriously! Here in Portland, my folks both worked and combined for ~$80k and we still had money issues! Mortgage, food, car were big expenses.
Am I encouraged ? or is this dissappointing? I'm gonna ponderize this whilzt I drink my morning cup of coffeA
Money spent on security personnel to guard Hyde Park chapel and London England Temple.
Look at the NZ one too.
Oh there is a NZ one, do you have a link or anything?
@@NEMOTHEMORMON I keep trying to link it but it disappears.
$80,000 U.S. dollars is nothing to sneeze at. That American is an ignorant bloke of who you quotes. A very decent wage for a single person in San Francisco or New York.
As far as other paid employees, probably the maintenance of Temples and Church-houses requires at least one director and a couple under-employees for skilled maintenance.
Agree it’s a good wage better than most of others in the USA but no so crazy of a wage. Great upper middle class wage.
Would some of these be Preston MTC employees?
Could possibly be! Who at Preston temple earns that much though?
@@NEMOTHEMORMON good point. I wonder how much MTC president makes and then the teachers. Is this also used for mission presidents and their families etc? Shame the report isn't more specific. A great podcast as always!
I’m so glad the church won’t get another penny from me.
I'm happy I got away from that "church."
$42 million local donations. $72 million Grant income from the USA.
Hey Nemo, I found an anti, anti-mormon page that has the conference up still and talks a lot of smack about us.
Clearly showing that the church has no problem with a UA-cam channel hosting that video, but who hosts
It makes clear how the church acts, and it gives me tremendous disgust at how the church is led.
This form of church leadership and how the apologists act, it disgusts me enormously, it's disgusting behavior.
They give me an even greater testimony of disgust at this church.
@@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565 yeah the channel is really disgusting. I think it has a lot to do with views too. That guy usually get 100 or less views and the conferences are the most viewed thing at 2,000. Im sure once the church finds out they’ll have it pulled too. Nemo just got told faster because he did a show with Dehlin.
As far as the missionary money sent over from SLC, the missionaries pay their own way. Tithing does not pay for individual missionaries.
Not always. A portion of my mission for the cult was paid for by the cult.
@@tedgarrison8842 yeah. It’s my understanding that when paid for by the church, it’s through donations collected from the home unit as well through a separate fund. I’d be interested in learning more however.
@@jaybravo2199 When a poor home ward has a half dozen missionaries out in the field the 💰 has to come from somewhere…
Cardon Ellis of Midnight Mormons would totally debate you-comment on Midnight Mormons video confirms.
Sorry, Nemo, the millions of church members who voted to sustain church leaders have stated that they would prefer to have President Nelson and the other General Authorities handling church finances, rather than your faction. But this means that church revenues will not be allocated toward promotion of LGBT causes, something that you and John Dehlin claim shows the church to be untrue.
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My little girl just came home with "haloween" cookies from her primary teacher today. What the hell is happening in there? My kids can't even go to church and learn about Christ without mixing in their satanic babylonian twist on every damned thing! And christmas and easter-Dont eve get me started (satan Claus at the ward "Christmas party"!? No no no no!)
It’s just cookies, not satan. I think you need to take some deep breaths
Mormonism was always a business....
I would *love* to see you break down this Book of Mormon Central video on polygamy and Section 132: ua-cam.com/video/vgOIc1Hm84k/v-deo.html
I just tried to watch that video. got about 17mins in. Hard work. Really have to give Brother Joseph a lot of breaks...
@@arm30three I think it’s the most gaslit I’ve ever felt
Ugh. I couldn't stomach even a few minutes of that filthy, apostate, can of lies. Ugh. I just can't with this apostate church anymore. We have wandered SO FAR from the truth it's sickening. My little girl just came home with "haloween" cookies from her primary teacher today. What the hell is happening in there? My kids can't even go to church and learn about Christ without mixing in their satanic babylonian twist on every damned thing! And christmas and easter-Dont evn get me started (satan Claus at the ward "Christmas party"!? No no no no!)
I'm an active member of the church, and what I see in this video is just proof that no matter how much good the church does, it will never be enough for some people, you will always have people kicking against the pricks. Look at what happened with the Tonga volcano eruption, imagine what would have happened to all those people in the pacific islands if it was not for the church? The Tongan government was not as prepared as the church, and so the church stepped up. Enemies of the church always think they know best as to how to use church funds, but as you can see, there will be more volcanoes in the near future, more diseases, and more war, and people question why the church does not just give away all the money it has? Look at what happened to covid, the US government spent trillions of dollars, but did all those trillions solve all of our problems? No. For most of church history, the church has been poor, but after decades of paying off debt and so forth, the church has learned to save for the future and to spend wisely. I’ve attended church in many parts of the world, the middle east, Asia, North America in different states, and met people from all over south and central America, and I’ve seen people benefit from the programs that the church has to lift people out of poverty. I’ve served as a missionary and I’ve seen countless families get help when they were in need. When we got baptized, shortly after, my stepfather was sent to prison and my mother had no way of buying food for me and my sister, but guess who stepped up, the church. During covid, it was all hands on deck, members who make up the church and are not paid, stepped up including me, to feed the hungry and needy. Honestly, it does not take much to think about it. As if the leaders of the church are living in huge mansions and wearing fancy gold chains or something. The church recognizes that it's only one organization out of many and it's humble enough to work with other organizations in bringing about good into the world. What other church does not have a paid ministry and its functioning at the scale as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? And if you think that the number of members declining is a bad thing for the church, that is to be expected especially now that the church is trying to better understand how to have a home-centered church model. Many will fall by the wayside because many will not take the time to teach the Gospel at home and to help teach the importance of the Book of Mormon. That's the sad truth. But I have seen too many miracles in this church to deny it, and that's why I’m writing this comment, to defend the kingdom from blasphemy. Here you are reading from the Bible to condemn the church while at the same time breaking the 9th commandment,
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” Mosiah 13:23/ Exodus 20:16
I want to invite you to repent and consider this great work. Consider the book of Mormon and what it teaches and what it testifies of. Consider how it was brought to light. Do you really think that Christ Himself is not going to come? Do you really think that he's not going to declare that this is His Church? I testify that He will. And remember what Nephi teaches
“Wo unto them that turn aside the just for a thing of naught and revile against that which is good, and say that it is of no worth! For the day shall come that the Lord God will speedily visit the inhabitants of the earth; and in that day that they are fully ripe in iniquity they shall perish.” 2Nephi 28:16
And also
“Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we need no more!” 2Nephi 28:27
And one more
“Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.”
2Nephi 28:31
Have your precepts been given by the Holy Ghost? I tell you that no. And if you say they did, prove it. What are your fruits? They are like the fruits that the master of the vineyard rejected as is written in Jacob 5.
I testify to anyone that is reading this that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints IS the Church of Jesus Christ Himself, and if you wish to know this to be true, read the book of Mormon and ask God in the name of Christ if it's true, for it testifies of the living Christ and His church, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
I thought this was a Church related video then realized it’s just the 2 typical apostates