When I told my parents I no longer believed in the leaders and claims of the church, the first thing my mom asked was "are you not afraid?". I'll never forget that. I can still remember the fear in her eyes when she asked me the question. Religion is based on fear. If you want true piece of mind you should seek spirituality, not religion.
It isn’t fear of God, the Saviour or His church. It’s lost opportunities and blessings and the limited progression when we turn from that which lifts and improves and blesses us. We want to be with our loved ones forever.
@@alananderson5202 I used to think that too, when I was a member. Once I found out the church was all a façade I left and have been blessed even more than when I was member. Don’t let the fear and manipulations of the church control you. Also read the CES letter and be free from the control
I grew up in a fear based religion. Baptist church. One thing I love about the LDs church is that it teaches just the opposite. That we will not fear if we are following our Savior. But will Satan instill fear. Of course. Fear creates hate his ultimate power. Your mother loves you and fears for you. Those that remain asleep our Savior himself warned that if you remain asleep and do not watch you will be cut off. Forever no. But it’s not a fun ride to make wrong choices and have to pay the consequences for them. Life is already hard enough. You are part of a prophecy in the Bible. Maybe look for that ask father. You can learn to hear him.
Years before I consciously had any issues with the church, I started feeling like the church was holding my family hostage and I had to do what it wanted or I would lose them. In the middle of my serious postpartum anxiety, this felt really wrong and made the mama bear in me start to fight back. I could explain away with any other questions i had with the church, but you don't mess with my kids. It was really the beginning of the end for me.
What's extra terrifying about that point: realizing that by them lying to and deceiving the members of the church, and not repenting for it, the leaders are breaking a commandment and covenant... which according to this means, the leaders of the church are under Satan's power... 😶
I can still remember his creepy eyes staring at me as he said those words with his face zoomed in on the screen. Talk about 100% fear and manipulation.
Well that seems to be largely what happens. We follow God who loves us or we worship the god we see in the mirror and fall in step with the world and Satan.
The way he held that little boy was so creepy and would be illegal in the classroom. I'm a teacher and we go through training for appropriate touch. For anyone who has been abused that would trigger trauma.
Great work, Nemo. You are a gifted communicator. You are helping so many walking wounded and confused souls within and without the lds Church. ❤ Thank you.
I am so much less afraid now than I was while in the church. I do fear for my little grandson, still a Mormon, who looks so much like that little boy Bednar so coldly used as a prop. That clip enrages me every time I see it. Thank for another great video, Nemo. You make the point very effectively once again. 💜
I love all your videos! We are out of the church for yhe last 3 years and are loving it ! we met as missionaries in 1979 got married rather quickly but are still together after 43 years
@@caydenthompson126I'd watch it! But with Nemo's level of research, that could definitely be a series of videos. 😮 I also would understand if he wouldn't want to do this. ❤
@@debbieshrubb1222 and it's actually pretty fun to prance & play in the water, especially with others who've abandoned ship, or forcibly walked the plank.
You've made a very important video. It illustrates that Mormonism is not your run of the mill religion. It's a high demand controlling fear inducing totalist religion. All religions have magical stories, but not all use them to bind their members emotionally, behaviorally, and intellectually. This is why Mormonism is in a different category than say presbyterianism. It's a crucial distinction.
@terrill. X 93 million. And, true to the play- ground bully, they kick the bawl-choke into gear and sling snot about being "persecuted". Gangster tactics
Have you read the Bible? (Deut 11:26-28) Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; 27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: 28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
AND they make you wear their magical underwear, never drink coffee or tea, covenant all that you possess, even your very life, to the church, women have to covenant to obey their husbands and on and on. It fits the entirety of the BITE model of a cult. They control members' Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions.
My youngest brother recently shared with me that when he was a teenager, he had stopped going to church for awhile until my father suggested that he should find somewhere else to live if he didn’t want to attend. Threats, spiritual abuse, fear mongering, all to keep everyone in line..it’s so harmful 😢
Nemo this is one of the best videos you've made. Great compilation of clips and documents that is tied up nicely at the end. Church leaders instill FOMO (fear of missing out) into every aspect such as taking the sacrament, temple recommend eligibility, being sealed for eternity, blessings of healing, remission of sins, and many others if you do not live up to the standards they set. The BoM is so clear in that those who keep the commandments will 'prosper in the land' and those who don't will be destroyed. Hence when things go wrong in life it makes you think you still aren't doing enough and you become scrupulous in unhealthy ways.
GREAT video. I want to give a resounding AMEN to everything you said and pointed out. I find it hilariously ironic that Pres Nelson says that a life without God (the church) is filled with fear and life with God (the church) is filled with peace. It's the exact opposite for me 🤪 had WAAYY more anxiety, depression, and fear when I was actively attending church vs. how I feel now that I haven't attended for over a year.
I’m grateful I can meet someone like you. I left the church 5 years ago and I’ve grown so much and especially away from the cult. I also served a mission and I served faithfully and it was nothing but heartache and depression.
@@micahbelliston1679 same here! It's so nice to meet like-minded people and find a new community after leaving the church. You're definitely not alone in how your mission made you feel!
People who live the gospel, repent, and receive a remission of sins don't feel guilt or shame and have peace of conscience. (Mosiah 4:2-3) And they had viewed themselves in their own carnal state, even less than the dust of the earth. And they all cried aloud with one voice, saying: O have mercy, and apply the atoning blood of Christ that we may receive forgiveness of our sins, and our hearts may be purified; for we believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who created heaven and earth, and all things; who shall come down among the children of men. 3 And it came to pass that after they had spoken these words the Spirit of the Lord came upon them, and they were filled with joy, having received a remission of their sins, and having peace of conscience, because of the exceeding faith which they had in Jesus Christ who should come, according to the words which king Benjamin had spoken unto them.
@MarkHigbee I'm out of the church and have absolutely much better peace, happiness & joy that I didn't have before. What's your gain here? Looks like a power & control trip to me! 🤔
@marebear6727 Again, people who live the gospel repent and receive a remission of their sins don't feel guilt or shame. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the gospel of the remission of sins.
Great video Nemo. Leaving the church a few months ago was devastating for my family and I - and completely terrifying! However, your channel and others like it have helped give me courage! Thank you.
Great video. I think fear in motivation has its place (ie. Staying away from drugs, wearing your seatbelt, keeping good friends, saving for a rainy day, etc.) but the way the LDS leaders employ it is straight up manipulative as the objects of fear they describe are not tangible in the here and now - and may never be. That teaches people to rely on them because they’re the only ones who can see the dangers (“see around corners” as Nelson’s wife said).
Well said Nemo!! I couldn't believe it in the temple when Satan walked right up to the screen and threatened us. I think that's the thing that bothered me most. I didn't see the love of Jesus anywhere in the temple ritual, but Satan was there.
I always felt that way too. Everyone says the temple is all about Jesus, and I always thought- but Satan has the screen time. I don’t know how much that has changed, but it used to bother me so much.
ooh, you must have been endowed after the penalties were removed in about 1990. They were scarier than Satan! When you make the sign with the thumb extended, it represents a knife. That's when you would have motioned to slit your throat and said, "Should we do so, we agree that our throats be slit from ear to ear ad our tongues torn out by the roots." The penalty for the second token was "Should we do so, we agree to have our breasts cut open and our hearts and vitals torn out from our bodies and given to the birds of the air and beasts of the field." The third penalty was when you hold the left hand in front of you in cupping shape (to catch your bowels) and the right hand, palm down, thumb extended, would have made a slicing motion across your stomach while repeating, "Should we do so, we agree that our bodies be cut asunder in the midst and all our bowels gushed out." It's so embarrassing that I ever believed even a word of this!
I agree with you, Nemo. Nancy Rigdon in an interview with E. L. Kelley denied those rumors about Joseph Smith’s alleged letter to her. Apparently, the leaders of the church didn’t know that but still quoted from that letter. I find that hilarious! Emma also denied being threatened with polygamy or else. Yet Nelson quoted from D&C 132 last General Conference, specifically about “contracts, oaths, etc.”
Well done!! This is one of the things that bothered me a lot as I was deconstructing…the shame, guilt and fear that the church heaps on its members. The video with Bednar and the little boy really makes me mad! It looked like that poor boy had tears in his eyes at the end.
😮bednar said . It is the holy ghost or me . Sadly they continued saying, stop worrying about the holy ghost . The holy ghost is very important moves. It's perfectly use" fear".. definitely to get our attention.. great nimo😊. 1star.
You're absolutely right that they thrive on fear! And you're correct that they continue to attribute to Joseph things he never said and never did, and that should be proof enough for all lds, it was for me and i left the church last May.
Thanks for this, you faith killing truth speaker. Isn’t it funny (or sad) how powerful these fear tactics worked before the veil was lifted? Keep up the good work Nemo 👍
I appreciate your work so much Nemo. I am currently being shunned by my sister for my disbelief. It is one of the most painful things I have ever been through!
BOOM!! Nemo, you nailed it! I didn’t realize how completely my life was controlled by fear until I left the mormon church. (Oops, another victory for Satan…😊)
I'm really interested in this. I'm not sure if I remember outright fear tactics like the fire and brimstone.... But the underlining message of everything being on the line and what you do and even don't do meaning your family is taken from you??? Yeah. Totally
They are subtle. Until they are not. If you've never been yelled at by a bishop or SP, telling you how worthless you are for an hour, you might only know the subtle threats. Remember 'Families can be Together Forever'.....IF...? The IF was always bigger than the promise. Families break up, or somebody leaves the church. My poor aunt lived in agony because her kids left the church, and she was convinced she had lost them forever. She sadly drove them away in this life, trying to rescue them for the next.
@@SilentThundersnow So well put! LDS members and leaders boast about the security they feel with temple sealings, but like you said, it’s the “if” factor. The fear of abandonment is very very real.
“When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, and the thing does not happen or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you are not to be afraid of him.” - Deuteronomy 18:22
I took the lessons but completely rejected the claims when they started using fear tactics by about the 3rd lesson. I was utterly confused that people would devote their life to religion that used such heavy-handed control tactics.
@dan. HOW FORTUNATE that they vomited out the FEAR-FARE early on, so you were able to see that momo is anything BUT "good news" and you were rational enough to not be "SNOWED" by their superiority offerings GOOD on you!
Fear about all the miserable repenting I would have to do, it worked when I was a teenager, doesn’t work much now, being exmo is much less fear for me now
Well done video! The fear that was crippling to me as a kid in the church was the doomsday mentality/last days fear-mongering amongst the members in front of and sometimes directed to children. I found it both horrifying and depressing as a child.
You should have a “roll the tape” series. At least 1-2 vids a month. Where you play a quote from a prominent Mormon figure and then roll the tape of 4-5 other vids that contradict it. Lol
The Mormon god is a conditional one: The Church of IF- IF you do this, THEN and only then, you get that times their entire doctrine. They do not understand the real God who uses no threats.
It's almost like mormons and ex-mormons don't read the Bible. (Deut 11:26-28) Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; 27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: 28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 They sure have me living in fear 😂😂😂 and you wonder where Jodi Hildabrante who is in jail for almost killing two kids got her ideas and tactics.
When he said " when you remove the savior's name from the Lord's church, it's a great victory for Satan" and if you're looking the book Mormon doctrine Bruce McConkie said " the name of Christ has always been in the name of the church" well they're lying to you because Joseph Smith and his counselors voted to name the church " the church of the latter day saints" which it remained the name of the church for 4 years until they changed it again back to the current name. I believe that was in 1838. So he preaches false history and Bruce McConkie lies about the name of the church
Another Excellent summary of how the church coerces and controls it's members every move, thought and action! Thank you Nemo - Your meticulous research and presentations are off the charts and when I get out of my financial slump, you are one of the first people I will donate to! :-) -- -- I remember when I was in "Mutual" back in the 70's, that one of the scriptures we recited was "for god hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of love, and of power, and of a sound mind." (Well, God must be a psycho or bi polar because one minutes says that and the next threatens to torch someone for not obeying every tiny little whim of his, and keeps jumping back and forth on what the rules are. I'm sooo glad I severed all connection from that "Enlil Jehovah god dork! He is one of the Sumerian godlets that is a power hungry, self absorbed, Ass Soul! Watch Stargate SG-1. They pretty much nailed how the universe works and how the "System Lords" rule the universe.
Please notice one important point when listening to these LDS power generals. When THEY speak notice their immaculate physical appearance; "dress" code, hair style, steady movement..... very FORMAL ! Next, notice their speech delivery ... very precise, exact, not even an 'UM' or an "ER'. This equals very careful PLANNING !!!! Do NOT become "seduced".
Excellent deconstruction! The whole point for the need of a Savior, is that the LAW is impossible to keep 100%. Jesus said He fulfilled the law, and He IS the LAW. Fear is lawlessness, and anyone who promotes LAWS (read ordinances here) is promoting LAWLESSNESS. Who is the LAWLESS ONE? In 2nd Thessalonians it refers to the anti-christ. When the Sadduccees and Pharisees missed the first coming of the Messiah, it was because they practiced the LAW. The second coming of the Messiah can also be missed if your focus is not on HIM, but instead on the world. Amazing video Nemo!
I’m still scared of being turned into a pillar of salt like Lot’s wife since they told me that when I was about 5 years old. The members are living in the real world, being taken advantage of by some of the most cunning men alive right now. Unfortunately the TBMs don’t know there is no difference between living in the world and living of the world. They are tricked into thinking they are safe.
@scott. And however "blank" we may "feel" there, we are given at some point to realize that we have stumbled onto "Judgment's Ground": the singular place where we are RECONCILED WITH HIM BY Him 🌈
@@sheliabryant3997 Lemme tell you, nothing has improved my mental health more than rejecting jesus. "jesus will lighten your burderns" Rubbish! He was the source of my burdens for 35 years. So glad I'm done with him 🥳
Bednar is the king of scare tactics. “If some night, you don't want to go to sleep, read the scriptures and learn what happens to covenant breakers. I guarantee you, you will not go to sleep.” Gotta love President Kimball's story of the couple who opted for a civil wedding instead of a temple sealing, and died in a car wreck on their wedding night. “They may have been good young people; I don't know. But they will be angels in heaven if they are. They will not be gods and goddesses and priests and priestesses because they did not fulfill the commandments and do the things that were required at their hands.” I guess it doesn't matter if they would have been sealed a year later had they been permitted to tarry...
Excellent videos Nemo, I recently found your work and very much enjoy it. I do take issue with section 132's association with JS as it was not from Joseph Smith, it was fabricated from the depths of hell by Brigham Young and Satan but I repeat myself.
PSALMS 23:4 "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, For you are with me; Your rod and your staff, they COMFORT me..." Do not fear Mormons to leave the Mormon church. God will be with you...Amen.
When I was still LDS my dad confronted me when he saw me drinking a Coke. As a teenager, that was the biggest "sin" I ever committed. My father angrily asked me if I didn't believe in God anymore, which confused me because I was just drinking a soda. But it was a caffeinated drink. By the way, all Mormon leaders speak in the same, dispassionate monotone way which I now find very irritating.
When I was on my mission in Germany i was told by my mission president (an insurance salesman from Idaho) that sarcasm was a tool of the devil....i will never forget it..
@@allenposting Sure he wasn't an EDSEL dealer? [car salesman, Late m. r. bal- lard chose to deal in Edsels, expecting to make his massive fortune. Worst auto in history. First of his many similar ventures. But, no problem; the brethren bailed him out: put him on G.A. payroll from which he proclaimed, "WE'VE NEVER TRIED TO HIDE ANYTHING. 😂🤣😂]
When Joe decided to threaten Emma with eternal damnation for her becoming angry over his committing adultery when she caught him molesting a fifteen year old Fanny Algiers, he set the prescient of threats the corporation utilizes to seperate TBM's from their money; the marketing model of mormonism.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law. Doctrine and Covenants 132:54 Is this what Christ died for? No. Praise God I'm free of this horrible group.
@@Hpencer you’re right. It was Fanny Alger. Thanks for catching the spelling mistake. Oliver Cowdery was quoted calling the relations between Joseph and Fanny “a filthy, nasty scrape”
It sounds a lot like the mafia "protection game". Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to that nice family of your now would we? Make sure you pay ALL your tithing.
This is truth! A friend of mine called me and said the bishop told her, they couldn't help with the funeral of her granddaughter because she didn't pay tithing fully. My friend was so distraught of course!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON As I have been characterizing it for at least two years of commenting (with rather icy reception until recent 6 mos.). But the tactic is particularly "in-your-face" in these shorts, Nemo! So, THANK! 🌹 YOU!
Thanks for reading the WHOLE Happiness Letter. The first time I read it I wanted to take a shower because I felt so dirty reading JS’s disgusting coercion. I can’t imagine what Nancy Rigdon felt like after reading it. Too bad she didn’t yell it from the rooftops of Nauvoo! BTW I thought JS told us in the D&C that we should be careful not to use the Savior’s name too freely. So which is it?
Nemo you're awesome! And I wish you would have more stuff with the Britvengers - a good mix of your succinct content mixed with the banter would be great!
The messages I hear state that we need not fear. Thankfully we live in a country where we can choose how we find peace. Some may not feel they have found peace through “The church”. Many, many people have. I respect that all have their own way.
5:36 I agree that a lukewarm mentality does add a lot of anxiety and doubt that you otherwise don’t feel when you’re actively dedicating yourself to a cause or religion. Maybe blind faith, but it definitely adds peace to one’s existence. I don’t judge those who choose a path and stick to it with faith, Even if the path is considered incorrect by others.
Deuteronomy 18:22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. Don’t be afraid of these false prophets. Read God’s word in the Bible alone and get away from the LDS
If you watch the whole clip of D. Bednar and the little boy, his eyes are shining and happy at the beginning and at some point during and at the end, the young boy looks to be fighting back actual tears and looks completely miserable. I was horrified when I saw that clip. I have wondered if that was his mother they showed in the audience at the beginning and how she felt watching that? I know it would have upset me tremendously. Sadly, when my children were that age, I would have sat there and made myself see the whole thing as right, good and true. Now, I would have taken him away at the beginning of the over handling. I honestly don’t believe members are taught to think and act for themselves. In that culture, we aren’t even taught emotional intelligence. We shove it down if it isn’t acceptable…. Until we can’t anymore. The way to the Kingdom of God is within, as Jesus stated in Luke 17:21. Going within was called the key of knowledge by Christ also. Anyone who isn’t telling you that, isn’t teaching Christ’s gospel. The way to God is not outside you. Nor can it be seen, it’s going within and finding it there. I hope we all find this narrow path, and remember who we are, who we All are. 💞✨
As careful as people are to “quote and unquote” when they repeat someone’s sayings then omit that when referring to Joesph Smith is laughable. More obscured is they accidentally on purpose forget to mention the rest of the story, I’m wondering if those wonderful words left Helen feeling as warm a fuzzy as everyone else that has listened to them at conference 😂unbelievable
They use grief and fear when targeting family members during a Mormon funeral. At these types of funerals when people are already suffering, male leaders threaten eternal heavenly separation of family members who don't follow every tiny edict from the church, or who don't fully return to the church after leaving, even if you are gay and know the church does not accept you.
Our seminary teacher told us if we don't get married in the temple,we will never see our family again. It's like when we die,there will be an invisible wall between us & our loved ones & we will NEVER be able to see them again. " FEAR GOD!"IS ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE. What about repentance.
How about Kimball's threat (in his Miracle of Forgiveness) of "sore embarrassment" for you and your family if commit a sexual sin and confess it to the bishop? Too bad he is not here now, I would love to confront him about his grandfather (Heber C. Kimball), who was about as crude and lecherous as they come. Fortunately for SWK, he passed away before the internet revealed information that had been suppressed and now is out in the open. Who shamed HCK? It is impossible for any youth or even adult member of the church to be more wicked in sexual sins than the early general polygamists.
When I told my parents I no longer believed in the leaders and claims of the church, the first thing my mom asked was "are you not afraid?". I'll never forget that. I can still remember the fear in her eyes when she asked me the question. Religion is based on fear. If you want true piece of mind you should seek spirituality, not religion.
It isn’t fear of God, the Saviour or His church. It’s lost opportunities and blessings and the limited progression when we turn from that which lifts and improves and blesses us. We want to be with our loved ones forever.
@@alananderson5202 I used to think that too, when I was a member. Once I found out the church was all a façade I left and have been blessed even more than when I was member. Don’t let the fear and manipulations of the church control you. Also read the CES letter and be free from the control
I grew up in a fear based religion. Baptist church. One thing I love about the LDs church is that it teaches just the opposite. That we will not fear if we are following our Savior. But will Satan instill fear. Of course. Fear creates hate his ultimate power. Your mother loves you and fears for you. Those that remain asleep our Savior himself warned that if you remain asleep and do not watch you will be cut off. Forever no. But it’s not a fun ride to make wrong choices and have to pay the consequences for them. Life is already hard enough. You are part of a prophecy in the Bible. Maybe look for that ask father. You can learn to hear him.
@@teresajohnson9723 You are spreading the fear that you have. Christ never developed a class system where obedience exalts you to a higher status.
I kindly disagree.
Years before I consciously had any issues with the church, I started feeling like the church was holding my family hostage and I had to do what it wanted or I would lose them. In the middle of my serious postpartum anxiety, this felt really wrong and made the mama bear in me start to fight back. I could explain away with any other questions i had with the church, but you don't mess with my kids. It was really the beginning of the end for me.
They absolutely do. If THESE people do not walk up to EVERYTHING they covenant to do in THIS temple on THIS day, they shall he in MY power!
Mormons are taught to fear water, insisting that Satan controls the waters.
What's extra terrifying about that point: realizing that by them lying to and deceiving the members of the church, and not repenting for it, the leaders are breaking a commandment and covenant... which according to this means, the leaders of the church are under Satan's power... 😶
I can still remember his creepy eyes staring at me as he said those words with his face zoomed in on the screen. Talk about 100% fear and manipulation.
Well that seems to be largely what happens. We follow God who loves us or we worship the god we see in the mirror and fall in step with the world and Satan.
@@alananderson5202everyone you know that has left the church is satanic?
The way he held that little boy was so creepy and would be illegal in the classroom. I'm a teacher and we go through training for appropriate touch. For anyone who has been abused that would trigger trauma.
It should make the astute wonder how many child sex abusers there are at the highest levels of the church.
It triggered me just watching it. Viscerally.
Not ok.
Great work, Nemo.
You are a gifted communicator. You are helping so many walking wounded and confused souls within and without the lds Church. ❤
Thank you.
No, Nemo is a gifted manipulator.
I'm not tired of your numbers! I am so impressed by the way you go at issues. Keep it up!!
Thank you! Will do!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON the post Mormon community is so lucky to have you! The value you add to this space truly humbles me. Thank you
I am so much less afraid now than I was while in the church. I do fear for my little grandson, still a Mormon, who looks so much like that little boy Bednar so coldly used as a prop. That clip enrages me every time I see it.
Thank for another great video, Nemo. You make the point very effectively once again. 💜
That video with that boy is so creepy and natural and Bednar was completely oblivious like he does this weirdness all the time 😮
I love all your videos! We are out of the church for yhe last 3 years and are loving it ! we met as missionaries in 1979 got married rather quickly but are still together after 43 years
Glad you left together
Another brilliant video nemo. Fear is the second lowest vibrational frequency, the lowest is shame which I'm sure the church uses aswel.
Miracle of Forgiveness says it all about fear. Well done Nemo.
Don’t get me started on that book!
Make a vid on that one @@NEMOTHEMORMON
@@caydenthompson126I'd watch it! But with Nemo's level of research, that could definitely be a series of videos. 😮
I also would understand if he wouldn't want to do this. ❤
Boy are you right on.
Please do!
Well crafted argument! I stayed in the LDS church decades more than I should have because of fear of the consequences of leaving.
Not an uncommon story unfortunately!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON the good old analogy of being afraid to get out of the boat in case you drown only to discover the waters only 6 inches deep.
@@NEMOTHEMORMONall Mormon prophets are false
@@debbieshrubb1222 and it's actually pretty fun to prance & play in the water, especially with others who've abandoned ship, or forcibly walked the plank.
You've made a very important video. It illustrates that Mormonism is not your run of the mill religion. It's a high demand controlling fear inducing totalist religion. All religions have magical stories, but not all use them to bind their members emotionally, behaviorally, and intellectually. This is why Mormonism is in a different category than say presbyterianism. It's a crucial distinction.
Simply not true.
@terrill. X 93 million. And,
true to the play- ground bully, they kick the bawl-choke into gear and sling snot about being "persecuted".
Gangster tactics
Have you read the Bible?
(Deut 11:26-28) Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day:
28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
AND they make you wear their magical underwear, never drink coffee or tea, covenant all that you possess, even your very life, to the church, women have to covenant to obey their husbands and on and on. It fits the entirety of the BITE model of a cult. They control members' Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions.
My youngest brother recently shared with me that when he was a teenager, he had stopped going to church for awhile until my father suggested that he should find somewhere else to live if he didn’t want to attend. Threats, spiritual abuse, fear mongering, all to keep everyone in line..it’s so harmful 😢
How horribly devastating
Nemo this is one of the best videos you've made. Great compilation of clips and documents that is tied up nicely at the end. Church leaders instill FOMO (fear of missing out) into every aspect such as taking the sacrament, temple recommend eligibility, being sealed for eternity, blessings of healing, remission of sins, and many others if you do not live up to the standards they set. The BoM is so clear in that those who keep the commandments will 'prosper in the land' and those who don't will be destroyed. Hence when things go wrong in life it makes you think you still aren't doing enough and you become scrupulous in unhealthy ways.
GREAT video. I want to give a resounding AMEN to everything you said and pointed out. I find it hilariously ironic that Pres Nelson says that a life without God (the church) is filled with fear and life with God (the church) is filled with peace. It's the exact opposite for me 🤪 had WAAYY more anxiety, depression, and fear when I was actively attending church vs. how I feel now that I haven't attended for over a year.
Same for me... "Living the gospel" did not bring me the peace they promised .. my mission was the beginning of the end for me...
@@lesahardman9914 same here. My mission poured the gasoline on the fire for me (specifically my OCD/Scrupulosity).
@@alexavandongen847 yup...
I’m grateful I can meet someone like you. I left the church 5 years ago and I’ve grown so much and especially away from the cult. I also served a mission and I served faithfully and it was nothing but heartache and depression.
@@micahbelliston1679 same here! It's so nice to meet like-minded people and find a new community after leaving the church. You're definitely not alone in how your mission made you feel!
💯 They shame, guilt and use a tremendous amount of fear.
💯 this!!
People who live the gospel, repent, and receive a remission of sins don't feel guilt or shame and have peace of conscience.
(Mosiah 4:2-3) And they had viewed themselves in their own carnal state, even less than the dust of the earth. And they all cried aloud with one voice, saying: O have mercy, and apply the atoning blood of Christ that we may receive forgiveness of our sins, and our hearts may be purified; for we believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who created heaven and earth, and all things; who shall come down among the children of men.
3 And it came to pass that after they had spoken these words the Spirit of the Lord came upon them, and they were filled with joy, having received a remission of their sins, and having peace of conscience, because of the exceeding faith which they had in Jesus Christ who should come, according to the words which king Benjamin had spoken unto them.
@MarkHigbee I'm out of the church and have absolutely much better peace, happiness & joy that I didn't have before. What's your gain here? Looks like a power & control trip to me! 🤔
@@MarkHigbeeBruh you're in a cult 😂
@marebear6727 Again, people who live the gospel repent and receive a remission of their sins don't feel guilt or shame. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the gospel of the remission of sins.
Simple answer is definitely YES 😁
Great video Nemo. Leaving the church a few months ago was devastating for my family and I - and completely terrifying! However, your channel and others like it have helped give me courage! Thank you.
My pleasure, I’m glad it has helped!
Great video. I think fear in motivation has its place (ie. Staying away from drugs, wearing your seatbelt, keeping good friends, saving for a rainy day, etc.) but the way the LDS leaders employ it is straight up manipulative as the objects of fear they describe are not tangible in the here and now - and may never be. That teaches people to rely on them because they’re the only ones who can see the dangers (“see around corners” as Nelson’s wife said).
Well said Nemo!!
I couldn't believe it in the temple when Satan walked right up to the screen and threatened us. I think that's the thing that bothered me most. I didn't see the love of Jesus anywhere in the temple ritual, but Satan was there.
Good point!
Wow! Now I understand why there's so much secrecy regarding Temple rites, ceremonies, etc..
I always felt that way too. Everyone says the temple is all about Jesus, and I always thought- but Satan has the screen time. I don’t know how much that has changed, but it used to bother me so much.
Yes, I always wondered why Satan is so much present in the temple which is supposed to be God's house !
ooh, you must have been endowed after the penalties were removed in about 1990. They were scarier than Satan! When you make the sign with the thumb extended, it represents a knife. That's when you would have motioned to slit your throat and said, "Should we do so, we agree that our throats be slit from ear to ear ad our tongues torn out by the roots." The penalty for the second token was "Should we do so, we agree to have our breasts cut open and our hearts and vitals torn out from our bodies and given to the birds of the air and beasts of the field." The third penalty was when you hold the left hand in front of you in cupping shape (to catch your bowels) and the right hand, palm down, thumb extended, would have made a slicing motion across your stomach while repeating, "Should we do so, we agree that our bodies be cut asunder in the midst and all our bowels gushed out." It's so embarrassing that I ever believed even a word of this!
I agree with you, Nemo. Nancy Rigdon in an interview with E. L. Kelley denied those rumors about Joseph Smith’s alleged letter to her. Apparently, the leaders of the church didn’t know that but still quoted from that letter. I find that hilarious!
Emma also denied being threatened with polygamy or else. Yet Nelson quoted from D&C 132 last General Conference, specifically about “contracts, oaths, etc.”
Well done!! This is one of the things that bothered me a lot as I was deconstructing…the shame, guilt and fear that the church heaps on its members. The video with Bednar and the little boy really makes me mad! It looked like that poor boy had tears in his eyes at the end.
The boy was crying throughout!
😮bednar said . It is the holy ghost or me . Sadly they continued saying, stop worrying about the holy ghost . The holy ghost is very important moves. It's perfectly use" fear".. definitely to get our attention.. great nimo😊. 1star.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON so disturbing 😳
Your new videos are excellent, concise, little gems. Thank you for your good work.
Glad you like them!
Nemo you are never boring. Every organization needs a Nemo
It’s a shame they don’t appreciate me!
@@NEMOTHEMORMONAppreciate you Nemo.❤
Thank you Nemo for your waffle - your awesome messages assist me to fall asleep at night
Thank you Nemo. I always look forward to your thoughtful perspective and contributions no matter the format. I just made a $ contribution
Thank you very kindly!
Great stuff Nemo! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
10.50 is especially disturbing. Poor kid😔. What's wrong with 'try reading just a little every day'? Really important video, well done Nemo👏
I know, the situation with that kid goes from 0-60 real quick!
Bednar becomes an object lesson in bullying and fear tactics
Guy makes my skin crawl
Amen. I was horrified to watch that display of abuse.
I LOVE your breakdowns of their own words. Lay it all out there. Love love love it. ❤️
You're absolutely right that they thrive on fear! And you're correct that they continue to attribute to Joseph things he never said and never did, and that should be proof enough for all lds, it was for me and i left the church last May.
Thanks for this, you faith killing truth speaker. Isn’t it funny (or sad) how powerful these fear tactics worked before the veil was lifted? Keep up the good work Nemo 👍
Powerful demonstration of the Mormon fear indoctrination. Great video Nemo
I appreciate your work so much Nemo. I am currently being shunned by my sister for my disbelief. It is one of the most painful things I have ever been through!
I'm sorry to hear that!
@coffee. HER LOSS. 💕💕
This is an especially good one, Nemo
Thanks!!
BOOM!! Nemo, you nailed it! I didn’t realize how completely my life was controlled by fear until I left the mormon church. (Oops, another victory for Satan…😊)
Brilliant compilation of statements.
Thanks!
Excellent content!
Excellent points Nemo! Very well thought out and presented. You’re a gem!
Cheers!
Great content today!
Terrific commentary. Great logic...something church leaders hope their members never manage to achieve. Like your haircut, Nemo. Sincerely.😃
Cheers!
I'm really interested in this. I'm not sure if I remember outright fear tactics like the fire and brimstone.... But the underlining message of everything being on the line and what you do and even don't do meaning your family is taken from you??? Yeah. Totally
They are subtle. Until they are not. If you've never been yelled at by a bishop or SP, telling you how worthless you are for an hour, you might only know the subtle threats. Remember 'Families can be Together Forever'.....IF...?
The IF was always bigger than the promise. Families break up, or somebody leaves the church. My poor aunt lived in agony because her kids left the church, and she was convinced she had lost them forever. She sadly drove them away in this life, trying to rescue them for the next.
@@SilentThundersnow So well put! LDS members and leaders boast about the security they feel with temple sealings, but like you said, it’s the “if” factor. The fear of abandonment is very very real.
Great job!
Thank you for a meaningful message. I also enjoyed hearing the beautiful voice humming at the end.
Another fantastic video!
Cheers, and thanks for the support!
Bednars demonstration was disturbing and I hope that innocent little boy can unpack it sometime in his life.
“When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, and the thing does not happen or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you are not to be afraid of him.” - Deuteronomy 18:22
I took the lessons but completely rejected the claims when they started using fear tactics by about the 3rd lesson. I was utterly confused that people would devote their life to religion that used such heavy-handed control tactics.
@dan. HOW FORTUNATE that
they vomited out the FEAR-FARE
early on, so you were able to see that momo is anything BUT "good news" and you were rational enough to not be "SNOWED" by their superiority offerings
GOOD on you!
Incredible video Nemo 👏
Glad you enjoyed it, share it with anyone you think might enjoy it!
That Bednar clip is so disturbing. I can barely watch it.
I felt the same way, I was so sick in stomach. I felt great empathy for that young boy.
When I heard the Utchdorf clip, I thought the whole time: "but the Church does the same thing!"
Fear about all the miserable repenting I would have to do, it worked when I was a teenager, doesn’t work much now, being exmo is much less fear for me now
My answer: absolutely yes! They use it, too. Hypocrites!
The Cognitive Dissonance is strong in this denomination...
Well done video! The fear that was crippling to me as a kid in the church was the doomsday mentality/last days fear-mongering amongst the members in front of and sometimes directed to children. I found it both horrifying and depressing as a child.
Great content.
You should have a “roll the tape” series. At least 1-2 vids a month. Where you play a quote from a prominent Mormon figure and then roll the tape of 4-5 other vids that contradict it. Lol
You read my mind 😂
@@NEMOTHEMORMON
Format forte
of this podcast. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Yes, they do.
The Mormon god is a conditional one: The Church of IF- IF you do this, THEN and only then, you get that times their entire doctrine.
They do not understand the real God who uses no threats.
The Old Testament does not agree with this.
Choices have consequences. It’s been that way forever.
@@alananderson5202 Yea but the LDS Church isn’t the correct choice. Bad consequences happened to me when I chose this faith.
It's almost like mormons and ex-mormons don't read the Bible.
(Deut 11:26-28) Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day:
28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
They sure have me living in fear 😂😂😂 and you wonder where Jodi Hildabrante who is in jail for almost killing two kids got her ideas and tactics.
Bednar video has creepy abuse videos. So gross
When he said " when you remove the savior's name from the Lord's church, it's a great victory for Satan" and if you're looking the book Mormon doctrine Bruce McConkie said " the name of Christ has always been in the name of the church" well they're lying to you because Joseph Smith and his counselors voted to name the church " the church of the latter day saints" which it remained the name of the church for 4 years until they changed it again back to the current name. I believe that was in 1838. So he preaches false history and Bruce McConkie lies about the name of the church
ABSOLUTELY! %100 It is a very miserable way to live😢
Beware of Wolves wearing Sheep clothing.
Plenty of them in that pretend church.
Another Excellent summary of how the church coerces and controls it's members every move, thought and action! Thank you Nemo - Your meticulous research and presentations are off the charts and when I get out of my financial slump, you are one of the first people I will donate to! :-) -- -- I remember when I was in "Mutual" back in the 70's, that one of the scriptures we recited was "for god hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of love, and of power, and of a sound mind." (Well, God must be a psycho or bi polar because one minutes says that and the next threatens to torch someone for not obeying every tiny little whim of his, and keeps jumping back and forth on what the rules are. I'm sooo glad I severed all connection from that "Enlil Jehovah god dork! He is one of the Sumerian godlets that is a power hungry, self absorbed, Ass Soul! Watch Stargate SG-1. They pretty much nailed how the universe works and how the "System Lords" rule the universe.
Please notice one important point when listening to these LDS power generals. When THEY speak notice their immaculate physical appearance; "dress" code, hair style, steady movement..... very FORMAL ! Next, notice their speech delivery ... very precise, exact, not even an 'UM' or an "ER'. This equals very careful PLANNING !!!! Do NOT become "seduced".
Excellent deconstruction! The whole point for the need of a Savior, is that the LAW is impossible to keep 100%. Jesus said He fulfilled the law, and He IS the LAW. Fear is lawlessness, and anyone who promotes LAWS (read ordinances here) is promoting LAWLESSNESS. Who is the LAWLESS ONE? In 2nd Thessalonians it refers to the anti-christ. When the Sadduccees and Pharisees missed the first coming of the Messiah, it was because they practiced the LAW. The second coming of the Messiah can also be missed if your focus is not on HIM, but instead on the world. Amazing video Nemo!
Thanks for sharing
@frau. X 93 million! 🌈🌈🌈
I’m still scared of being turned into a pillar of salt like Lot’s wife since they told me that when I was about 5 years old.
The members are living in the real world, being taken advantage of by some of the most cunning men alive right now. Unfortunately the TBMs don’t know there is no difference between living in the world and living of the world. They are tricked into thinking they are safe.
Bednar messed up that kid for life 👏 👏 👏
I dont know much, but i do know that russell m nelson does not speak for God 😅
Yup. It was fear all my life until I just accepted I would burn in hell. Anxiety to Apathy. Good times 😐
Wow…
@scott. And however "blank"
we may "feel" there,
we are given at some point to realize that we have stumbled onto "Judgment's Ground":
the singular place
where we are RECONCILED WITH HIM
BY Him 🌈
@@sheliabryant3997 Lemme tell you, nothing has improved my mental health more than rejecting jesus. "jesus will lighten your burderns" Rubbish! He was the source of my burdens for 35 years. So glad I'm done with him 🥳
Fear is how they get indecisive people to pay tithing.
The three big methods are guilt, fear, and shame.
I wish the name and position of all the speakers shown in this video was listed while they were speaking... maybe even the date given..
It's in the show notes. You can listen to their comments in context if you wish to.
@@debbieshrubb1222ok, thanks!
Sources are in the description
Bednar is the king of scare tactics. “If some night, you don't want to go to sleep, read the scriptures and learn what happens to covenant breakers. I guarantee you, you will not go to sleep.”
Gotta love President Kimball's story of the couple who opted for a civil wedding instead of a temple sealing, and died in a car wreck on their wedding night. “They may have been good young people; I don't know. But they will be angels in heaven if they are. They will not be gods and goddesses and priests and priestesses because they did not fulfill the commandments and do the things that were required at their hands.” I guess it doesn't matter if they would have been sealed a year later had they been permitted to tarry...
Excellent videos Nemo, I recently found your work and very much enjoy it. I do take issue with section 132's association with JS as it was not from Joseph Smith, it was fabricated from the depths of hell by Brigham Young and Satan but I repeat myself.
PSALMS 23:4
"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil,
For you are with me;
Your rod and your staff, they COMFORT me..."
Do not fear Mormons to leave the Mormon church.
God will be with you...Amen.
@Albert. "DO NOT FEAR
their faces;
DO NOT FEAR
THEIR WORDS.
I. HAVE. NOT. SENT.
THEM."
😊 Well done! Thou good and rational servant! 😂
Thanks! 😁
What music is in your Outro Lil Bro? Sound folksy 👍🏽
it sounds of bitter sweet resignation to me .... I like it
Just something I wrote with my wife for the show
I wish Nemo was my Sunday school teacher.
Would give your bishop a heart attack!
You truly know how to pick them, Nemo, and how to show them out.
"Schizophrenic" doesn't even cut it.
But "Gangsters" does.
When I was still LDS my dad confronted me when he saw me drinking a Coke. As a teenager, that was the biggest "sin" I ever committed. My father angrily asked me if I didn't believe in God anymore, which confused me because I was just drinking a soda. But it was a caffeinated drink. By the way, all Mormon leaders speak in the same, dispassionate monotone way which I now find very irritating.
When I was on my mission in Germany i was told by my mission president (an insurance salesman from Idaho) that sarcasm was a tool of the devil....i will never forget it..
Sarcasm
@@allenposting Sure he wasn't
an EDSEL
dealer?
[car salesman, Late m. r. bal-
lard chose to deal in Edsels, expecting to make his massive fortune. Worst auto in history.
First of his many similar ventures. But, no problem;
the brethren bailed him out: put him on G.A. payroll from which he proclaimed, "WE'VE NEVER TRIED TO HIDE ANYTHING. 😂🤣😂]
Thanks!
No problem, thank you for you king contribution!
When Joe decided to threaten Emma with eternal damnation for her becoming angry over his committing adultery when she caught him molesting a fifteen year old Fanny Algiers, he set the prescient of threats the corporation utilizes to seperate TBM's from their money; the marketing model of mormonism.
Great point
None of that happened.
@@Hpencer, Truly insightful commentary. Keep up the good work. Can't wait for more.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
Doctrine and Covenants 132:54
Is this what Christ died for? No. Praise God I'm free of this horrible group.
@@Hpencer you’re right. It was Fanny Alger. Thanks for catching the spelling mistake. Oliver Cowdery was quoted calling the relations between Joseph and Fanny “a filthy, nasty scrape”
It sounds a lot like the mafia "protection game". Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to that nice family of your now would we? Make sure you pay ALL your tithing.
Yeah, I got mafia vibes from Carlos A. Godoy particularly.
This is truth! A friend of mine called me and said the bishop told her, they couldn't help with the funeral of her granddaughter because she didn't pay tithing fully. My friend was so distraught of course!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON As I
have
been characterizing it for at least two years of commenting
(with rather icy reception until recent 6 mos.).
But the tactic is particularly "in-your-face" in these shorts, Nemo! So, THANK! 🌹 YOU!
Pay your tithing if ya dont want to be burned lololol 😅😂
Thanks for reading the WHOLE Happiness Letter. The first time I read it I wanted to take a shower because I felt so dirty reading JS’s disgusting coercion. I can’t imagine what Nancy Rigdon felt like after reading it. Too bad she didn’t yell it from the rooftops of Nauvoo! BTW I thought JS told us in the D&C that we should be careful not to use the Savior’s name too freely. So which is it?
how did I ever believe this shit for 50+ years?
I think Uchtdorf is a genuinely good man. He seems different than the rest.
But he signed an NDA as a church employee so there isn’t much he can do to bring to light the wickedness in the church…
Bednar is so creepy
Nemo you're awesome! And I wish you would have more stuff with the Britvengers - a good mix of your succinct content mixed with the banter would be great!
Noted!
The messages I hear state that we need not fear. Thankfully we live in a country where we can choose how we find peace. Some may not feel they have found peace through “The church”. Many, many people have. I respect that all have their own way.
5:36 I agree that a lukewarm mentality does add a lot of anxiety and doubt that you otherwise don’t feel when you’re actively dedicating yourself to a cause or religion. Maybe blind faith, but it definitely adds peace to one’s existence. I don’t judge those who choose a path and stick to it with faith, Even if the path is considered incorrect by others.
LDS is dying world wide... people are waking up to the disgrace...
Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
Don’t be afraid of these false prophets. Read God’s word in the Bible alone and get away from the LDS
The Bible? 😅😅😅😅 No thanks.
@@LivingstonWard yes you get to choose the path. Beware of the broad way.
If you watch the whole clip of D. Bednar and the little boy, his eyes are shining and happy at the beginning and at some point during and at the end, the young boy looks to be fighting back actual tears and looks completely miserable. I was horrified when I saw that clip. I have wondered if that was his mother they showed in the audience at the beginning and how she felt watching that? I know it would have upset me tremendously. Sadly, when my children were that age, I would have sat there and made myself see the whole thing as right, good and true. Now, I would have taken him away at the beginning of the over handling. I honestly don’t believe members are taught to think and act for themselves. In that culture, we aren’t even taught emotional intelligence. We shove it down if it isn’t acceptable…. Until we can’t anymore. The way to the Kingdom of God is within, as Jesus stated in Luke 17:21. Going within was called the key of knowledge by Christ also. Anyone who isn’t telling you that, isn’t teaching Christ’s gospel. The way to God is not outside you. Nor can it be seen, it’s going within and finding it there. I hope we all find this narrow path, and remember who we are, who we All are.
💞✨
As careful as people are to “quote and unquote” when they repeat someone’s sayings then omit that when referring to Joesph Smith is laughable. More obscured is they accidentally on purpose forget to mention the rest of the story, I’m wondering if those wonderful words left Helen feeling as warm a fuzzy as everyone else that has listened to them at conference 😂unbelievable
They use grief and fear when targeting family members during a Mormon funeral. At these types of funerals when people are already suffering, male leaders threaten eternal heavenly separation of family members who don't follow every tiny edict from the church, or who don't fully return to the church after leaving, even if you are gay and know the church does not accept you.
The beginning of mormonism was all about sex.
And even earlier was the witchcraft the entire Smith family practiced.
Our seminary teacher told us if we don't get married in the temple,we will never see our family again. It's like when we die,there will be an invisible wall between us & our loved ones & we will NEVER be able to see them again. " FEAR GOD!"IS ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE. What about repentance.
How about Kimball's threat (in his Miracle of Forgiveness) of "sore embarrassment" for you and your family if commit a sexual sin and confess it to the bishop? Too bad he is not here now, I would love to confront him about his grandfather (Heber C. Kimball), who was about as crude and lecherous as they come. Fortunately for SWK, he passed away before the internet revealed information that had been suppressed and now is out in the open. Who shamed HCK? It is impossible for any youth or even adult member of the church to be more wicked in sexual sins than the early general polygamists.
@pseudo. X 93 million 🌈