Paveway II laser-guided bombs use what is known as "bang bang" guidance. This means the bomb's fins deflect fully, rather than proportionally when it is attempting to guide to the laser spot. For example, if it sees the laser spot and determines that it should make a change it deflects its fins until it has over-corrected and then it deflects back the opposite direction, creating a sinusoidal type of flight path. This type of guidance may be less efficient at times, however is more cost effective and allows the use of simpler electronics in the guidance system. -WIKI
Grim Reaper, I have a feeling that a gliding bomb is bleeding way too much. However, dropping say 1000lb GBUs while prioritizing altitude over speed, those penetrate boats like meteorites.
I think you misunderstood what Spidgeon was doing. He was self-lasing, and it appears that the bombs chased the laser over the sea until they ran into the ship. The laser will not target the water and the bombs will not go ballistic until they have a target. It does not look like Spidgeon ever actually targeted the ship, he just dropped the bombs and led them to where the ship was. It's a bug. Or a feature - whichever. What you guys were doing, while more normal, is highly unrealistic. DCS is either highly over-estimating the lift generated by the bomb and its fins, or underestimating the drag at smaller AoA .
So what did he targeted? Did he just turned on the laser and aimed it at the horizon? And hiw does that work? The bombs dont need a real target in order to be droppe? I dont think i fully understood what happened in that reddit video
Any guided bomb can fly horizontally by constantly adjusting its angle of attack, as its speed keeps dropping it can keep pushing its nose up using the guide unit until it finally runs out of airspeed. In the first video you can kind of see this, the AOA seems to be ever slowly going up while the GBUs height dropped ever so slightly. In theory you could even use this mechanic to drop a bomb UP, by once again trading AOA and airspeed for height, just a like a missile in terminal post burn out phase.
No way can that bomb fly atop the water like that. Impossible at the speed it is going. They use loft bombing for long distance in a low profile approach.
I lazed while the tgp was in ccip mode, so the laser kept moving forward with the plane and somehow the bomb tracked so all I had to do was fly the plane over the ship and the bombs would track the laser and hit the ship
This was done in the Gulf War. They used the AGM-123 Skipper. It was a GBU-12 with a Shrike missile rocket motor bolted to the back end. Mostly used by the A-6E intruders for anti-ship work. It is indeed a real thing.
Cap I think your doing it incorrectly... Maybe drop at 10K ft and 700 knots at 10 miles and by the time you reach the ship it would be low on the water and possibly under the defenses.
Hi Cap, what is the model № and launch weight of the GBU? I'd like to try some _back of the envelope_ modeling for the projected flight range, varying altitude & relase velocity. If you're amenable to this distraction, please also provide your launch ceiling. Thanks.
Depends on the pilot skill i think, the a-10 can fly slower and probably has it easier to pull lead but the su-25 has quite a higher thrust to weight ratio. I can garantee however that the a-10 cannon will do alot more damage since it has quite a higher rate of fire compared to the gsh-30 2 on the su-25 (also yes that would be a very cool video) i think one of the missions for the su-25 has you dogfighting a-10 but im pretty sure thats a fox2 fight
pff its supposed to be gravity bomb, I don't think the guidance is that accurate in real life to keep it horizontal steady , no matter the speed, its nose driven .. like saying rafale or su33 are controlled only by canard surfaces , too small control force for the size/weight
Paveway II laser-guided bombs use what is known as "bang bang" guidance. This means the bomb's fins
deflect fully, rather than proportionally when it is attempting to
guide to the laser spot. For example, if it sees the laser spot and
determines that it should make a change it deflects its fins until it
has over-corrected and then it deflects back the opposite direction,
creating a sinusoidal
type of flight path. This type of guidance may be less efficient at
times, however is more cost effective and allows the use of simpler
electronics in the guidance system.
-WIKI
Grim Reaper, I have a feeling that a gliding bomb is bleeding way too much. However, dropping say 1000lb GBUs while prioritizing altitude over speed, those penetrate boats like meteorites.
The glide ratio on these bombs is absolutely incredible.
I think you misunderstood what Spidgeon was doing. He was self-lasing, and it appears that the bombs chased the laser over the sea until they ran into the ship. The laser will not target the water and the bombs will not go ballistic until they have a target. It does not look like Spidgeon ever actually targeted the ship, he just dropped the bombs and led them to where the ship was. It's a bug. Or a feature - whichever.
What you guys were doing, while more normal, is highly unrealistic. DCS is either highly over-estimating the lift generated by the bomb and its fins, or underestimating the drag at smaller AoA .
So what did he targeted? Did he just turned on the laser and aimed it at the horizon? And hiw does that work? The bombs dont need a real target in order to be droppe? I dont think i fully understood what happened in that reddit video
Any guided bomb can fly horizontally by constantly adjusting its angle of attack, as its speed keeps dropping it can keep pushing its nose up using the guide unit until it finally runs out of airspeed. In the first video you can kind of see this, the AOA seems to be ever slowly going up while the GBUs height dropped ever so slightly. In theory you could even use this mechanic to drop a bomb UP, by once again trading AOA and airspeed for height, just a like a missile in terminal post burn out phase.
Yes I think they can! Keep up the great work!
Hello there
@@mpananas1uss170 Hello!
Isn’t that ⦿ supposed to be on the target when dropping? It only feels natural that bombs fail at where that symbol was
I literally read the title as “Can GBU’s be used as anti-SIMP missiles”
lol
No way can that bomb fly atop the water like that. Impossible at the speed it is going. They use loft bombing for long distance in a low profile approach.
I lazed while the tgp was in ccip mode, so the laser kept moving forward with the plane and somehow the bomb tracked so all I had to do was fly the plane over the ship and the bombs would track the laser and hit the ship
This was done in the Gulf War. They used the AGM-123 Skipper. It was a GBU-12 with a Shrike missile rocket motor bolted to the back end. Mostly used by the A-6E intruders for anti-ship work. It is indeed a real thing.
Thanks
Technically it was a GBU-16, as it was based off of the mk 83, rather than the 82.
Cap I think your doing it incorrectly... Maybe drop at 10K ft and 700 knots at 10 miles and by the time you reach the ship it would be low on the water and possibly under the defenses.
In real life they would use the loft bombing technique to get max distance
can you guys do a mission where on f16 is lasing and the other drops bombs on targets.
that is what they are doing
We are doing that here.
Yes and they work well :)
Hi Cap, what is the model № and launch weight of the GBU? I'd like to try some _back of the envelope_ modeling for the projected flight range, varying altitude & relase velocity. If you're amenable to this distraction, please also provide your launch ceiling.
Thanks.
GBU12
Hey cap I was wondering if you could use a flat spin in a f14 for a evasive maneuver
Not really but you can use a F-18 Pirouette as an offensive move. That's pretty much a flat spin.
Got a question how to center the view in lightning pod
In the F-16 it’s Display management Aft
Or it’s Target Management switch aft, one of the two not sure
Is this specific to the F16 or anything with GBUs?
i might try it with the jf17
Any plane.
Cap have you done a video trying to push an F 15 to maximum altitude ?
Yes. Go to the 9min-57sec point of this video for listing w altitudes of planes tested as of 3/15/19: ua-cam.com/video/qgcLXdhOAo0/v-deo.html
yep all the dcs planes have been max'd on CAP's video
ua-cam.com/play/PL3kOAM2N1YJckRn5zYZA7EZP9Bn7LbEQw.html
@@grimreapers thank you Cap
At the End Every thing what u can aim at with the Laser with the bombs would work so everythink is said and no more test needed im just saying
Can you do the AGM-65 Maverick
Can you if possible do another video on the F16 the update that came out recently like data link and other things that might have been fixed?
I can't find anything that has been changed. Please send me any info on changes within Discord and I will document it.
Hey cap who would win in a gun fight? A-10 or su-25. That would be a cool video
Depends on the pilot skill i think, the a-10 can fly slower and probably has it easier to pull lead but the su-25 has quite a higher thrust to weight ratio. I can garantee however that the a-10 cannon will do alot more damage since it has quite a higher rate of fire compared to the gsh-30 2 on the su-25 (also yes that would be a very cool video) i think one of the missions for the su-25 has you dogfighting a-10 but im pretty sure thats a fox2 fight
a-10 all day. Su-25 is hopeless at ACM.
Can we get more mirage 2000 videos
pff its supposed to be gravity bomb, I don't think the guidance is that accurate in real life to keep it horizontal steady , no matter the speed, its nose driven .. like saying rafale or su33 are controlled only by canard surfaces , too small control force for the size/weight
I want to see the A-10 cannon against a ship
it does work
Lob the bloody thing!
Cap can you make a match up 1v1 with rewards to be won
Literally doing that tomorrow night!
Obvious harpoon model swap is obvious
The viper doesn’t have harpoons