Memory for chess positions (featuring grandmaster Patrick Wolff)
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2012
- Chess grandmaster Patrick Wolff performs a classic chess memory task (filmed by Daniel Simons and Christopher Chabris). We showed him a card depicting a chess position and he then reconstructed the position on a chess board from memory. He makes almost no mistakes for a typical chess position, but has poor memory for a position in which the pieces were randomly positioned. The video illustrates the powerful effect of expertise on pattern perception and memory. This video is ©1998/2011, Daniel J. Simons & Christopher F. Chabris. All rights are reserved.
I love how gracefully yet deliberately he moves the pieces
No kidding. Impressive. They all play blitz chess over the board so I imagine it’s muscle memory. The pieces are bottom weighted too so you can sling them around faster.
Try to remember a real sentance, versus try to remember a bunch of random words and letters.
if only we knew
Try not stealing comments from previous posters.
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Chess players remember patterns, that is the reason why he is struggling with random positions.
Homo sapiens try to recognize patterns. Put a chimpanzee on a similar task, I bet they perform better.
Wolff remembered the patterns because the patterns contained meaning for him. That's the big take away from this video. So we're dealing with something quite profound actually, way beyond mere pattern recognition.
Chess masters can exhibit remarkable memory for location of chess pieces on a board. After just a single five-second exposure to a board from an actual game, international masters in one study remembered the locations of nearly all twenty-five pieces, whereas beginners could remember the locations of only about four pieces.
cool. The amount if pieces in both exercises shoud have been the same though
In the first position, the Queen was in the same diagonal as the King. That was important. It is nevertheless very impressive what he can remember. One of the Chessmaster programs had a feature at the beginning, it was a puzzle but with the same spirit, very random position of the pieces, it was really confusing. Of course, it was on purpose. BTW, I know Patrick Wolf from a documentary, Kasparov vs US junior champions. Wolf was the only one who beat K!
Been reviewing this study - thanks for the video
There's a big difference between application of meaningful information than just working off of running memory of organizing nonsensical information. The brain works much better with stimulus with significance than random. It helps for achieving more efficient nueroplasticity. This video illustrates this well.
The conclusion of this chess memory study is related to one of Gestalt Principles on Perception which is specifically on "proximity". Humans tend to view or perceive something as a cluster or a group rather than individual details.
it's interesting to me that in the second example he places the kings and pawns first, it seems these are the things he focuses on?
It seems that regularly as a principle he looks at the king safety first when he evaluates the position. That's why I think he remembers it. At the previous example which was almost an endgame, the king was safer thus he looked first on the plan.
watching it on 1st Jan 2023...happy new year mind
So the lastest video doesn’t allow comments I will just say HES ALIVE?!
Can I use this video in my UA-cam video creation for the same topic
Thats not the point... the point is that his memory of 250,000 odd game positions (the average for a GM) will recall patterns of a typical game, he doesn't have to remember all the pieces but he recognizes the pattern and triangulates (sort of).
Not bad considering his "strong suit" is Bridge :).
He's not super eloquent, but I get the point he's trying to make at the end. Also, he proves the point even more strongly by being able to swap back and forth between two different boards, both of which he still remembers.
woah O.o that's impressive
Ok, Rain Man.
Im a casual low rated player but I almost puked at the second position.
Were you watching M'aiq the Liar?
Playing Armis really gives you the super fast brain workout to keep you super sharp with your Chess game.
how did i get here from skyrim
Sometimes in a movie they will show a chess game underway (just a prop, not part of the movie) and often I will notice that the arrangement of the pieces is not at all like they might be in a "real" game. Its like someone (maybe someone who does not play chess) just set some pieces on the board.
I think I see that because I know how to play chess (at an low to average ability)
and not because I have a good memory.
Good job genius
Tertan buradaydı.
Watch selective attention test, the basket ball hits the girl in her head
Not bragging or anything but I remember positions of all 32 pieces of every chess game, before the 1st move is made. Ok, sometimes I could mess up the bishop and knight positions and where the King and Queen go relative to each other, but still pretty impressive huh?
try that and you will get beat, because one thing your completely forgetting about that aspect of chess, yes the openings are memorize but to be a grandmaster means you have to be superb in opening,middle game, endgame and TACTICS TACTICS TACTICS, try acting random with a grandmaster and they will kill you with TACTICS TACTICS TACTICS... so the best thing for you to do is memorize the openings get the feel for them and understand the variations and play with them against ppl and grow intuition
lol
I don't see the point at all. It's like saying try to remember a real sentence like "I am from Norway", versus try to remember just random letters. Obviously harder to remember random stuff.
The point is, as mentioned in the description, to "illustrate(s) the powerful effect of expertise on pattern perception and memory", you grouch.
I don't think it is about memory, per se, more about perception. So, imagine you are looking at some data, perhaps some stats, or maybe just observing the world go by. Maybe you think you understand what is happening. You do not. You recognise certain patterns or things you expect to see, and anything you do not expect to see, no matter how big or important, it is hard to recognise it, you miss it, or overlook it.
John you either a very good chess player that what he does seems normal or you dont know how chess is played and you think of course he knows he is a chess player thats what he does.