I was never particularly interested in ninjas and these stuff( the false image that has been created) However since i found you and your work(2 years ago) i absolutely loved the real shinobi and their true job and skills. thanks antony
Okay, I actually watched this video, and I personally have never associated ninjutsu with taijutsu and have always viewed them as completely separate entities from years before this historical ninjutsu movement started. Today, I still of course view them to be separate, but also complimentary. Taijutsu is not ninjutsu, but those operating as shinobi would likely have had at least some training in combative arts, and perhaps those combative arts were indeed some of the schools claimed by Takamatsuden today. Further, an emphasis on escape and evasion for a shinobi operative would certainly make sense, which is what much of the actual "ninpo taijutsu" is about (like the santo tonko no kata). I do think you make too many assumptions about what people are reading, focusing on, and believing. A lot of people in the Takamatsuden world don't even know about you nor care about you. Turnbull may be a different story because his work stretches all the way back to 91 with his first book, but anyway, the differences we're talking about are only a matter of names and perspective, and at the end of the day should clarify things, but not really change them a whole lot. When people recognize that samurai and ninja aren't so different, and that ninja was a job in the warrior class; when they see that their arts aren't ninjutsu but samurai bujutsu, but that since samurai weren't so different from what they thought were ninja, it doesn't really change much; that real ninjutsu is just a tailored down version of what they thought was ninjutsu, focusing only on the spycraft, espionage, saboteur and scouting type stuff; and when they recognize that ninja will likely have still trained in the same arts people were calling ninjutsu, it's just not ninjutsu but standard military training so to say... when ALL of that is taken in and thought about, you can shrug your shoulders and say "cool" and keep going on about your business. If you're a history nerd (which I am by the way) and want to nit pick about the smallest details like a Jewish scribe or Rabbi of the 4th century, then of course you can find things to argue about nd blow out of proportion, but at the end of the day the masses need things put into perspective, and that perspective is pretty straight forward and not so ground breaking. Calling things ninjutsu that weren't ninjutsu was nothing more than a marketing scheme which, for some people, really stuck. The historical ninjutsu movement's not-so-hidden agenda was to majorly discredit everything Takamatsuden, going after the authenticity and historicity of the schools. It id a very good job at pointing out holes and flaws, and while the great historians of the Bujinkan like Dr.Zoughari have basically ignored you, other people like Sean Askew are pulling up all sorts of possible references to Togakure or controversial men in lineages to give more credibility to the traditions of the Bujinkan. Even though you've written off that subject, you could go check it out if you're really interested. As for me, I enjoy that there is a strong "other side" to the debate that I tried having several years before this movement started, but now I get to be less hipster, so that's kind of a disappointing. Lol, in all honesty though, it's good to have opposing sides, but the ones who are so far stuck in their own "I'm right" category instead of constantly striving to objectively look at both sides, they get kind of annoying, and the actual people interested in the truth just have to take their works and study them silently in a corner to draw out what is probably the most accurate conclusion. It's what I've done with my own densho for years, using the tactics, strategies, and philosophies of shinobi no jutsu as a spiritual way of living by translating their principles into the mold of our present day situations. In this regard, your new book interests me quite a bit. Anyway, that's my answer to your question along with some critical feedback. No need for a discussion, but just food for thought from an astute observers perspective. For the record, I do actually love all of your books, I just don't view anything as "gospel truth" and will always do my own comparisons with other translations and commentaries, which is the best way short of learning the languages and going to all the source material itself. Ja ne!
i am a practicioner of bujinkan budo taijutsu, and i am well aware that it is not ninjutsu. there are just a couple of subjects that we can say that «are familiar to ninjutsu» like «shinobi iri» (stealth), but yeah, 95% of what we practice at the dojo clearly is not ninjutsu, and the resting 5% is just and interpretation of «ninja schools» that is implemented on the taijutsu that is taught to us. so, in conclusion, bujinkan is NOT NINJUTSU and we bujinkan practicioners are NOT NINJAS. bujinkan is just another martial art, and i gotta say that i love it, and i am grateful for having a good teacher that has got his feet on the ground and understands perfectly what budo taijutsu is. unluckly, there are teachers around in the bujinkan that claim to be ninjas and claim that budo taijutsu is actually ninjutsu. so, it is important to be able to distinguish a competent teacher. there are frauds in every martial art, you just have to find the right teacher. i have been reading your books antony, and i am enojoying them a lot! congratulations, they are amazing. im trying to implement ninjutsu from the manuals in my life, mostly mental part. i find really interesting the mentallity of the ninja of feudal japan. greetings from argentina!
As an ex Bujinkan member even when I realized that their ideology has no background in history I still loved pop culture representation of ninja.Now that went away in couple of years after I learned the truth but I am afraid that most Bujinkan members will never follow in this path cause they never get to the point where they have conversation with themselves and admit that it's not real, rather they keep tricking themselves into thinking what they are doing is legit cause it would be inconvenient to change their training so drastically at this point.It sucks that they think like that but it's the way it is....
Thanks for the video! Would love to see your video review of Dr. Turnbull's book when you get a chance to go through it after release. With all the new information, did you at all predict this is where everything would lead when you first started researching samurai and ninjutsu 10 years ago?
Reading the comments on this guys videos are the most fun u can have on the internet. They paint a mental picture of denial and a million fantasy's being shattered
The man has been shown to be as delusional in areas as anyone else when things have been shown he didn't like. Pot calling kettle really on that one. The ones who helped him translate those ancient material are the ones who deserve the real praise in my opinion.
I am still devoteed to ninjitsu budo taijutsu. Keep up the good work is there a way i can buy your books as a set includeing the samurai? Anthony. The shinobis were also bushi samurai as well. They were a diffrent class warriors. Alot of the misconception people get.i feel the shinobi in my personal opion they forseen all of this because they did divination as well. And split the the scrolls out for people who knew they would be intrested in there martial ways. There are still scolls still missing not found .and i also belive alot also got burned in the fire in the iga and koga regions as well.
Hello Antony, I have an important question for you. I'm writing a novel about feudal japan and your insights about ninjutsu have inspired me. However, I want to try to expand my understanding about the culture of feudal japan. I hope you can point me towards a book that can give me a broad understanding. Also, can you recommend any fictional works about the edo-period?
I have a question... what is all the hand to hand stuff that Hayes and Heatsink are teaching then? Is there a reason for no hand to hand stuff in the old scrolls; they assume you will learn whatever style of jujitsu or kenjitsu that is in your area? And that ninjitsu was a special set of skills not able to be picked up anywhere like the other hand stuff?
Hello Dr Cummins. I have read the dark side of Japan and the lost samurai school regarding the subject of kuji in. I know most people bother you with this subject but I was hoping to find more information about this practice than one paragraph in you latest book and a description of mudras with no ma raras en the other. Besides. The mudras diferent in the 9th and 4th hand seal. I was hoping information you could lead me in the right direction with some biography ?? Thank you
I've NEVER seen a modern "Ninjutsu" practitioner that impressed me either with their H2H or weapons skills. If it doesn't work now then either it never worked or it's fake.
Thank you for this the biggest thing i accomplished was ditching my pride ninjutsu takes a life time i can draw on this and procede forward. I apply mushin no mind and no pride i dont advertise or teach or i keep to my self so i take the meat and seperate the bone ill just continue training and being humble and learn Thank you antony
Been watching your channel from nearly the start now & love it. I did Ninpo Tai Jutsu for over 7 years and agree with you. Have to look back it it with fond memories but now its not really (Ninjutsu) I used to enjoy the other training thigns, stealth etc but that was probally not real either. I would rather be aware of the real thing then living a lie.
9:42 Wow! Dude! NO! You are saying that you want to eliminate entire ninja combat systems, just because you can't find these systems in a historical book? These systems are secretive. Many martial arts are or at least, were. That's pretty freaking wack, dude! These combative systems are pretty well established and you want to erase that? If this is your approach to their schools, then even I have to stand against you. I now understand why they don't like you.
So a question? You are saying that the Ninja (historically) did not have any hand to hand combat skills or training programs? or are you saying that they had skills, but they were not specific to the ninja and that it was borrowed from another group?
I understand that ninjitsu is not a martial art, so what styles of combat where they using back then? Was it a combination of different styles then mashed together? What would be an appropriate style to learn now that was most like what they used back then?
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Hmmm...I train a little part of old bujutsu of Koka region (the ryu shinden fudo ryu ki-ho and no, is not bujinkan); this art is hard, but like you say is BUJUTSU, not "shinobi no jutsu"; in this part and useful for every day the things you can use are knowledge like GAMAN SURU...resist, use your patience, control your feelings...and things like use the respiration techniques for walk more fast and not tired, etc.
for me its in my heart everyone has that thing that they want to be involved with over the years of my training I have made a lot of mistakes and had a 7 year time that I went into depression coming back into after those 7 years I'm seeing it in a deffirent set of eyes. In this I'm seeing these online ninja wars and I'm left with the question HOW did the ninja go from being detestable lowest class that no one wanted to have anything to do with much like we see today to this HIGH AND MIGHTY warrior god that no one can even touch. Much like anything else from my years of training I look at this if any one wants to claim to live according to the ninja lifestyle then I wont question them but they better be spending there days training. I love Anthony cummins and I love listening to the others it broadens my horizon I will more and likely get the books by him when they come out but as for whats right and whats wrong I'm deciding to go forward with my training if I get there I get there if not then I will be left with the satisfaction of doing that ONE thing that is in my heart and my spirit and doing what I love.
can it be adaptation you can practice a lot of covert tactics of ninjutsu off the grid but in a big city in this date and time you could be looked at as terrorist or something. my group are martial artist former military and survivalist we get together in the bush and pass the good knowledge and leave the junk there is that ninjutsu adapting to modern world just a question
I used to believe both the hand to hand and the scrolls. This may sound contradictory but basically I believed that it was both a martial art, shurikenjustsu iado etc, and stealth and spying. Then one day I came across your videos, Antony. Around a year ago, and you cleared everything up. I later bought a few books, read 'em, and that's that.
The truth tends to be hard to swallow, especially when people have such a "solid" image of what something is, be it Ninja or other mythical martial arts group ...but all if not most trusted evidence points at it. Too many people disconnected from reality, yet by their own choice. I practiced with an allegedly koga school for one lesson, tho I already had some years of experience in martial arts, and I could tell what was up. Its not that you waste your time, like Anthony said, you can make friends and you will be in shape, but the thing is, they are just selling you "the dream".
I was never attached to the Ninjutsu as combat system idea. It was an all-encompassing training model for building a feudal Japanese-era special warfare fighter. I still train Takamatsu-Den, and when people ask me what I practice, I just say "Kobudo" or "Classical Jujutsu." I use your books as reference for when I want to go deeper into areas of the various skills we don't normally cover (for example, I'll generally be training taijutsu, kenjutsu, etc. but will visit skills such as shinobi iri or cho ho occasionally, and will use your books as a primary source when doing so).
I take half of what you say with a grain of salt honestly. You are an author more than anything. Little actual experience in the things you talk about, but i like the translations and can understand where you drew your conclusions from. So as long as you stick to that, i don't mind getting the books. Make sure you give the ones who do the real work for you the credit they richly deserve.
I did a lot of martial arts in the past, always looking for something more fitting for my style, then i stumbled upon bujinkan budo taijutsu. I didn't care that they called it ninjutsu, i just liked how the moves worked together. It was far more brain food for me than krav maga, but still very combat related. At some point i wonder about the intentions japanese trainers have, when they knowingly spread lies, especially to their students. Maybe thats just the way they tend to tread foreigners, keeping the truth to themselves - after this betrayal, one should ask himself, if this sensei is worthy to have his students trust. Perhaps thats the real ninjutsu behind all of this ...
They may not know that they're just perpetuating a fabricated history. It wasn't that many years ago that basically everyone would have sworn that Roman gladiatorial fights were to the death and that thumbs up/down meant life/death respectively. Funny enough, most of that myth was based on the Pollice Verso painting and had no basis in archaeological nor literal evidence. All it takes is for enough people to believe in something, doesn't matter if it's true or false.
Jugg3r the iga and koga schools definitely did have 'fatal strike' hand techniques that are meant to be delivered quickly and enable escape. So yes, a typical dojo can't spar or train in this. Ninjutsu is a violent art bordering on body modification as witnessed by Seiko (his fingers, ankles which he broke in training, hyperphagia, endurances, and leaping/gliding from castle walls)
I said keep up the good and amazing work, but watch you step, cause you know, theres a tons o "ninjas" out there that wants your head LOL for those who dont accept the truth, the truth always come and when it comes, it hits hard.
Most traditional martial arts practiced today bare only limited resemblance to the original. People like money, people sell what they can do, people make their facts fit the truth.... many martial arts teachers know this. If we are honest about what type of practice we are doing.... or more correctly are enlightened by our instructors in these ideas.... then more positive and useful results come from your passion and wasting your life for 20 yrs on a lie is not even possible as an outcome.... we train whatever we train. Just promote honesty and enjoy.
I am still here just got the new internet and i now and can follow your work spy crafted is main part of ninjutsu I still do both and not shame of it but main are spying and survival long other parts thumb up on your video support 100%
I am wondering why people study ninjutsu either real or fake. What do they expect to get out of it? Self-Defense? Fitness? It seems to me there are better modalities if that is your goal. Is it historical study, escapism, or some sort of practical skill set? It's a fascinating discussion but I'm just wondering what is the root motivation.
Depends on the person, but yeah, mostly self-defense, fitness, as a hobby, entertainment, historical reenactment and study etc. I think it could be both escapism and a practical skill set, minus all the outdated traditions.
Jeffry C. Larson because it is like "kung fu" - they incorporate weapons. While Karate-do has kobudo it is not the main focus. So the modern "Ninjutsu" puts parts of the various weapon arts together. And you must NEVER forget the FUN factor. For many today whatever the martial art it is a more disciplined, focused, version of basketball. There's nothing wrong with that. So in a nutshell you concern yourself with your arts and they will concern with their own.
In the 80s it was made out to be more than what it is. Kinda like a sun tzue art of war life strategy where it is adaptable to business success and life. So the idea was to make you powerful mentally and physically. But really your right it is just old outdated ideas. Hatsumi made bank on this con. I spent a lot of money on it in the day.
Hey, Antony. I've been emotionally attached to that famous Ninpo Taijutsu organization (whose name you probably know), but fortunately, I do not have that problem anymore. But I am interested in the historical part of it all and one question I would like to be answered is: is Togakure-ryu school real? And, of course, I mean the school that sells that "Ninpo Taijutsu" organization as legitimate ninjutsu ... I imagine you've already made a video about it, but if you've made, it was banned and I did not find it. I hope you can help spread the truth, whatever.
I have the debate with some XKan guys, the mayor opinions are "nobody know real ninjutsu" or "the real ninja skill can´t be used today, are old and ilegal, them us learn about martial arts and combat"...etc; in the other hand, is very difficult know all about the real "shinobi no jutsu", because some techniques you have be learned when you are a kid (like dislocate bones)...and make a list based in BANSENSHUKAI or MANSENSHUKAI is very poor too...the book is not writed by real ninjas, was writed by samurais who knows some ninja techniques and warfare.
So my "Ninja Stars" are still legit, right? JK But yea, The Book of Ninja was hard to read. I got it. It's just that it's a bit of a stretch to relate much of it to my modern life. I took it for what it is, just an astounding work of scholarship. No kidding there. Bravo. I'll be ordering the skills book. Way to be on top of what's desired. Have you read or ever discussed Dr. Haha Lung's works? They appeal to me because my practice lean towards the mental. What might you think of his "Black Science?
Just throwing this out there but what if ninjas were the 1st mixed martial artists an ninjutsu was nothing more than a mix of martial arts that existed at that time. Just a thought i don't claim to be any kind of expert.
That could be true due to their chinese decent. But then again samurai are also mixed martial artists in a sense, as they learned many styles of fighting.
in my country the only ninja stuff they know is naruto and bujinkan. love the work you keep doing,and 9 years watching you and in the comments people still are stupid AF.
my name is wilson emberley dixon ......... i remain as i am humble poor though strong ............. real skills interest me the wold only cares for certificates ......... i would like to start a school in newfoundland ............. newfoundland canada is 500 years old the worlds many warriors are mixed to my homeland we are a part of canada since 1949 ............ anyway this is the only topic i am actually interested in could you please send me any real info on the history
also for me its about my childhood and mentally staying strong ................. a kick is a kick and a punch is a punch.............the cauldron in the store could not be stolen by the students at the masters request ....... when the students asked the master to successfully commit the daytime theft of the large cauldron this is what happened ............. the master went to the store and paid and had it delivered to his school ...........the students protested ...... when the teacher exclaimed ........... i stole many things before hand which i sold to get the money and therefor i stole the cauldron ........... in this we are pushed to see a different strategy for thought .......... in the end a kick and a punch is the last resort of a scout being spotted shozoku is what ever others in a community wears what is ninja a word which describes the clever ................. if you have some real strategy guides please send them ................ btw anyone reading this ................. specializing in any art ...... this is the way you will see the spirit/soul of a thing ........ as you surrender yourself to this you then see the way of the tengu is service not subjugation of others but subjugation of ones self ....... the i the ego what ever your environment blend and utilize it as organic as possible i impart these things to you ............. as you should already know you are what you desire
I've always believed all shinobi were trained in their own regional sword of the time. They were trained in their local fighting arts especially ones that had concealed tools and weapons. No need to record this info because "every" warrior in that area was trained to use that weapon as a part of their regular budo. Hundreds of schools teaching hundreds of arts some are bound to be used regularly by the shinobi.
Karate judo aikido jujitsu great systems but in them selves floored. Back in 1992 Ninjutsu was a gap filler to help bridge all the systems.. in this regard Dr Hatsuumi was a success..Stephen Hayes. One of the grand masters Sheehan left to do his own thing.... Others tried to do it but no....... others did I hear you say takamatsu Genbukan Jinninkan BBD Akban etc etc, I know but unlike Hayes the got pushed out. Only Stephen knew once he learnt all he could, when t o move on everyone else stuck on the pyramid scheam. 15th Dan Bujinkan honbu laughing all the way to the bank........
I totaly agree there: there was no such thing like ninpo taijutsu. There were (and are) multiple hand-to-hand combat technics sure, but nothing created by ninja, for ninjas only. The best example are Special Forces around the woirld of today: they DO NOT have any form of SpecOps jutsu known only to them. They use self defence combat technics like Krav-maga (it's so widely use, specialy by americans, british, french, polish and, of course, israelian spec ops) just slithly modified or adapted for their operating modes. I'm pretty sure it went the same way for ninjas at their time
Jeez this guy better hope all these fake ninjas never disappear or he is screwed. Hey but he can give you real lessons on how to be a ninja just buy his book. This dude is a hilarious. LMAO
After studying different martial arts, I joined the Bujinkan in the year 2000 because I found that its martial arts practices were very effective. The traditional “ninja skills” of spying and infiltration were not important to me because when you read the shinobi manuals, you can see that many tools of the trade and practices are outdated and only suited to medieval Japan. We have much better tools now, and, we have new high-tech challenges not present in medieval Japan (heat sensor alarms, night vision equipment, etc). No modern spy or special forces operator would use more than 20% of what is written on the old scrolls. The most important part of the ancient shinobi texts that transcends time is the mentality, the attitude, the strategy, that part is as valid as Sun Tzu’s book, The Art of War.
applying your research techniques , There is no scroll that mentions the ninja or samurai having sex. therefore it is proven that the ninja and samurai were eunochs. Throughout history we can see examples of different military units adapting fighting skills for their own needs and i don't think the ninja and Samurai were any different , saying that the nija did not know any martial arts is just rediculous , they would have learnt fighting arts and i can pretty much gurantee those arts would have been adapted to their environment. I understand you have a beef with the Bujinkan but what you havn't explained to anyone in any suitable fashion is how , if indeed it is a modern made up art , that it fits into history seamlessly , Takamatsu was a great martial artist but It's a bit of a stretch to hypothesize that he made up the whole thing
Ninjutsu is a high end martial art and follows the Art of War very well. I don't see how anyone can say that it is not, when it is so much more so than most other martial arts. I don't think you understand what martial art means. Physically fighting is the lowest form of any martial art. Akido practitioners will tell you this. Tai Chi Chuan masters will tell you this. Shoalin masters will tell you this. A martial art is a lifestyle of fitness, virtue and survival. Bushido is a martial art. Martial arts do not have to involve fighting. As Bruce Lee said, the highest form of martial art, is fighting without fighting. With that said, at some point in your life, you will most likely have to fight for your life to carry on. Same with ninja. At some point, as a ninja, during those days, you may have to kill someone to survive or complete a mission. Are you going to run down to the local dojo real quick? No. You will be trained by your peers. Your fellow ninja will train you to do this with perfection or at least try. This is simply common sense. To claim that ninja clans wouldn't come up with their own style of fighting, for their own purposes, is retarded thinking. Ninja are not going to to a public dojo in those days. You do not want to be known as a fighter. As a ninja, you do not want to bring attention to yourself. You will train in secret with your fellow ninja. You will learn to fight from them, using their learned methods and tools of the trade. Large ninja schools will develop a style of combat training. This will grow and spread and voila, a ninjutsu style has emerged. Simple as that, man. Godspeed!
Wish Takamatsu knew/told what type of old budo he practiced. We know it wasn't ninjutsu...what was it? It may help the Buji folks to see evidence of what they are actually studying and perhaps when it was brought into the lineage. Eventually, they'll need to rename it. Truth wins in the long run.
RodCornholio well I believe he is a leader in Katori-Shinto Ryu. At least that's his introduction in a book on stick fighting. Mostly hanbo and yari. No mention anywhere in it of ninja or Buj~
@@robocoastie well I know the samurai arts in Bujinkan are legitimate, according to Cummins himself. Though looking through it, I wonder how much flowery crap was added later. It took me several hours going through gyokko Ryu and shinden Fudo Ryu to take out the flowery shit that I could find. My books on them are full of notes 😂 I’m scared about getting the others now lol So for example, there’s several techniques in those green books that are useful, but instead of kicking the knees they are going after the stomach which makes no sense armor or not. Or punching the face instead of the throat little stuff like that just with the dakenjutsu.
ogarzabello if he took the effort to correct his mistakes and even admit to being wrong is showing credibility towards improving. Itd be the same thing if you were studying something and found out it was wrong so you find more answers and correct your information. He shouldnt be bashed he has a passion for this subject like many others do and he wants to educate and find out for himself as well.
ogarzabello hahahahahaahhahahaha Bitch please, u prolly havent event even read that article urself, dont steal my word would you?!😏babygirl, or should i say lazy looser
As for Ju Go Dan. 15th disagree. Lol...... Not widely excepted. Too easy to acquire a bit of a joke really.Still I can hear the honbu laughing all the way to the bank. What does your Sheehan say, shut up and train..
Yeah. I remember his first book where he said that some shinobi were part of the nobility, he lost all credibility in my book at that point, but I continued reading his book just to see what other idiotic ideas he promoted.
Um i think Hatsumi Masaaki studied the ninja text and or scrolls at the ninja museum and integrated them with the Budo and Bujutsu he teaches i thought thus was common knowledge
Today in BUJINKAN BUDO TAIJUTSU not teach nothing about shinobi no jutsu, always teach you hand to hand and weapons combat, and that is not "ninjutsu"...
Christian I´m totally agree with you, but what said Jose Chavez is the explication of this facts, there are not Ninjutsu in BJK, is only "his" vision, I mean a fake historical NInjutsu.
Fake now we have no proof of that Anthony hasn't seen the Scrolls that Masaaki Hatsumi had so technically you can't go claiming that it's fake because you don't know yourself and neither does Anthony Cummins and there's still things that he's discovering that he said was fake but now are coming to light
I don't get it. Your book tells you how to be a ninja, 1 book? Defined X number of lessons? Field craft, disguise, intel gathering, counter intel and disinformation? Not trying to be an ass, but I'm not buying a manual on how to fix my car written by a software engineer who has spent no time getting grease in his hands and has just watched some UA-cams.
I think you may be missing the mark here a little. Its more like a software engineer who got tired of paying someone to fix his car (just like Anthony got tired of the BS ninja schools out there), so he read an auto mechanic manual and spoke to other people who have worked on their car. After this he takes the most useful instructions on fixing common car issues and writes a book. This does not make his book illegitimate. The info is still accurate because it is taken from auto mechanics and others who have worked on cars. Being a software engineer does not stop him from producing a good auto mechanic book. Also, Anthony is a historian an holds a degree (not that this means he knows it all), but he has a solid background on how to interpret history.
THere is not only one book, there are many, besides, even if there was only one we know that's truth while skills from Bujinakn and it's offspring styles have absolutely no historical background and we would have to take teacher's word for it.
Kendamu, like I said, to rephrase, I think it would be quite silly to try and learn espionage, fieldcraft et cetera, or even 101 level stuff from a guy who's never done it. Want to learn this stuff, go enlist and qualify / pass selection / whatever. Or if you can't go to someone who has actually done this for a living - of course, you could get conned here, too.
ninjutsu is an additional art rather than the art itself its more like a mechanic getting a book on a spasific car so he can know the additional features that others cars mightnt have
Anthony, can I just stop you there, you seem to be making a wee bit of a mistake..it seems as though you have dedicated a huge chunk of your life trying to convince folk who are studying a martial art that what they are studying is not Ninjutsu, but you dont get it, they want to be studying hand to hand combat, thats why they took up a martial art, the Bujinkan at least is not what the ninja studied it has evolved and for todays use in hand to hand combat therefore is better than what they studied, but there is no doubt that Ninja had to use a sword and other weapons, had to study taijutsu and the some of the ryu in the Bujinkan are martial arts they studied, with a living Grandmaster. Folk dont want to learn to be a Ninja, maybe a few role players, but if you want to be a Ninja you are better of becoming a lock smith, or a spy rather than reading your book. So now you know this you can perhaps back down from what seems to be a pointless crusade?
There are hundreds of different martial arts from old ones to new ones that's loved and hated by different people all over the world, but people who practice xkan arts receive a whole nother level of hate. I do know what's taught in the bujinkan and the genbukan is derived from several different ryuha, I know and I'm sure Antony knows some of the ryuha that's taught are verifiably samurai, there are other ryuha that is claims to be ninja, but overall there techniques are put into a modern system and taught in a modern way. Antony seems to have made a career bashing a marital art he doesn't even like, then he rebrand his own modern recreation of ninja and teach that as a more accurate recreated version, weird. I use to wonder why Meik skoss never really got into the whole thing with making a career of bashing ninpo, granted he did write some articles against ninpo but he moved on and continued with his own training because it didn't matter because people actually enjoy there training in ninpo or whatever else they do. Personally I don't like Brazilian jujitsu I think it's a good way to get stabbed while on the ground, but that doesn't matter, the only thing that matter is the people that enjoy doing that art.
You need to follow your own advice. You're constantly wrong in your history of the samuria. You can't even do your own translation, because you find learning Japanese stupid. So when are you going to go back to school and get a real resume that says you are a real historian in Japanese culture and history? You have no right to say "when your wrong your wrong" When you yourself do slappy work. And have to ask other people like Metatron to do your work because you think learning Japanese is not important. People shouldn't take your work seriously, because in truth you don't take it seriously. You're not a martial artist, your team sucks. You can't even tell the difference between Kobun and Old Japanese. Yoshie isn't translating old Japanese she is translating Kobun which is literary language which is different from the spoken language. For example Natori doesn't speak Old Japanese but instead early modern Japanese. He wrote in Kobun. You use Natori to explain all SAMURIA, what you don't realize he is Edo Samuria. He cannot be used to explain all SAMURIA, because Samuria acted different in each era. Samuria in the Edo period were not warriors, but politicans. They were not allow to be warriors, because it was against the law. If you really understood why Natori was an Edo Samuria you would understand his thinking better in your book of Book of Samuria. And on top of that you don't understand damasare when you see it, nor do you understand it. There's a lot things you are wrong about the Samuria. You need to fix yourself, before you go on about someone else being wrong. You get upset when people say you're wrong. You get upset when people criticise you, that's one of reasons you don't make UA-cam videos anymore. Because you can't take criticism because you think you're the expert in everything in Japanese and you are noy.
He is right about some of the history and technical skills Cummins demonstrates and presents being wrong though, Several Kenjutsu schools have tried to correct him, and he wasn't interested.
I was never particularly interested in ninjas and these stuff( the false image that has been created)
However since i found you and your work(2 years ago) i absolutely loved the real shinobi and their true job and skills. thanks antony
Okay, I actually watched this video, and I personally have never associated ninjutsu with taijutsu and have always viewed them as completely separate entities from years before this historical ninjutsu movement started. Today, I still of course view them to be separate, but also complimentary. Taijutsu is not ninjutsu, but those operating as shinobi would likely have had at least some training in combative arts, and perhaps those combative arts were indeed some of the schools claimed by Takamatsuden today. Further, an emphasis on escape and evasion for a shinobi operative would certainly make sense, which is what much of the actual "ninpo taijutsu" is about (like the santo tonko no kata).
I do think you make too many assumptions about what people are reading, focusing on, and believing. A lot of people in the Takamatsuden world don't even know about you nor care about you. Turnbull may be a different story because his work stretches all the way back to 91 with his first book, but anyway, the differences we're talking about are only a matter of names and perspective, and at the end of the day should clarify things, but not really change them a whole lot. When people recognize that samurai and ninja aren't so different, and that ninja was a job in the warrior class; when they see that their arts aren't ninjutsu but samurai bujutsu, but that since samurai weren't so different from what they thought were ninja, it doesn't really change much; that real ninjutsu is just a tailored down version of what they thought was ninjutsu, focusing only on the spycraft, espionage, saboteur and scouting type stuff; and when they recognize that ninja will likely have still trained in the same arts people were calling ninjutsu, it's just not ninjutsu but standard military training so to say... when ALL of that is taken in and thought about, you can shrug your shoulders and say "cool" and keep going on about your business.
If you're a history nerd (which I am by the way) and want to nit pick about the smallest details like a Jewish scribe or Rabbi of the 4th century, then of course you can find things to argue about nd blow out of proportion, but at the end of the day the masses need things put into perspective, and that perspective is pretty straight forward and not so ground breaking. Calling things ninjutsu that weren't ninjutsu was nothing more than a marketing scheme which, for some people, really stuck.
The historical ninjutsu movement's not-so-hidden agenda was to majorly discredit everything Takamatsuden, going after the authenticity and historicity of the schools. It id a very good job at pointing out holes and flaws, and while the great historians of the Bujinkan like Dr.Zoughari have basically ignored you, other people like Sean Askew are pulling up all sorts of possible references to Togakure or controversial men in lineages to give more credibility to the traditions of the Bujinkan. Even though you've written off that subject, you could go check it out if you're really interested.
As for me, I enjoy that there is a strong "other side" to the debate that I tried having several years before this movement started, but now I get to be less hipster, so that's kind of a disappointing. Lol, in all honesty though, it's good to have opposing sides, but the ones who are so far stuck in their own "I'm right" category instead of constantly striving to objectively look at both sides, they get kind of annoying, and the actual people interested in the truth just have to take their works and study them silently in a corner to draw out what is probably the most accurate conclusion. It's what I've done with my own densho for years, using the tactics, strategies, and philosophies of shinobi no jutsu as a spiritual way of living by translating their principles into the mold of our present day situations. In this regard, your new book interests me quite a bit.
Anyway, that's my answer to your question along with some critical feedback. No need for a discussion, but just food for thought from an astute observers perspective. For the record, I do actually love all of your books, I just don't view anything as "gospel truth" and will always do my own comparisons with other translations and commentaries, which is the best way short of learning the languages and going to all the source material itself.
Ja ne!
i am a practicioner of bujinkan budo taijutsu, and i am well aware that it is not ninjutsu. there are just a couple of subjects that we can say that «are familiar to ninjutsu» like «shinobi iri» (stealth), but yeah, 95% of what we practice at the dojo clearly is not ninjutsu, and the resting 5% is just and interpretation of «ninja schools» that is implemented on the taijutsu that is taught to us. so, in conclusion, bujinkan is NOT NINJUTSU and we bujinkan practicioners are NOT NINJAS. bujinkan is just another martial art, and i gotta say that i love it, and i am grateful for having a good teacher that has got his feet on the ground and understands perfectly what budo taijutsu is. unluckly, there are teachers around in the bujinkan that claim to be ninjas and claim that budo taijutsu is actually ninjutsu. so, it is important to be able to distinguish a competent teacher. there are frauds in every martial art, you just have to find the right teacher.
i have been reading your books antony, and i am enojoying them a lot! congratulations, they are amazing. im trying to implement ninjutsu from the manuals in my life, mostly mental part. i find really interesting the mentallity of the ninja of feudal japan. greetings from argentina!
As an ex Bujinkan member even when I realized that their ideology has no background in history I still loved pop culture representation of ninja.Now that went away in couple of years after I learned the truth but I am afraid that most Bujinkan members will never follow in this path cause they never get to the point where they have conversation with themselves and admit that it's not real, rather they keep tricking themselves into thinking what they are doing is legit cause it would be inconvenient to change their training so drastically at this point.It sucks that they think like that but it's the way it is....
Well, At least They Are learning some Ju jutsu techniques...
Thanks for the video! Would love to see your video review of Dr. Turnbull's book when you get a chance to go through it after release. With all the new information, did you at all predict this is where everything would lead when you first started researching samurai and ninjutsu 10 years ago?
Reading the comments on this guys videos are the most fun u can have on the internet. They paint a mental picture of denial and a million fantasy's being shattered
The man has been shown to be as delusional in areas as anyone else when things have been shown he didn't like. Pot calling kettle really on that one. The ones who helped him translate those ancient material are the ones who deserve the real praise in my opinion.
Hello Antony,
Do you know What means =
"Shudan Sentoho"(手段戦闘法)
"Monomi" (物見)
It has some correlation With Ninjutsu?
I am still devoteed to ninjitsu budo taijutsu. Keep up the good work is there a way i can buy your books as a set includeing the samurai? Anthony. The shinobis were also bushi samurai as well. They were a diffrent class warriors. Alot of the misconception people get.i feel the shinobi in my personal opion they forseen all of this because they did divination as well. And split the the scrolls out for people who knew they would be intrested in there martial ways. There are still scolls still missing not found .and i also belive alot also got burned in the fire in the iga and koga regions as well.
More books to read. More late nights and swollen eyes. Fantastic, can't wait. Thanks chap.
Hello Antony, I have an important question for you. I'm writing a novel about feudal japan and your insights about ninjutsu have inspired me. However, I want to try to expand my understanding about the culture of feudal japan. I hope you can point me towards a book that can give me a broad understanding. Also, can you recommend any fictional works about the edo-period?
I have a question... what is all the hand to hand stuff that Hayes and Heatsink are teaching then? Is there a reason for no hand to hand stuff in the old scrolls; they assume you will learn whatever style of jujitsu or kenjitsu that is in your area? And that ninjitsu was a special set of skills not able to be picked up anywhere like the other hand stuff?
Hello Dr Cummins. I have read the dark side of Japan and the lost samurai school regarding the subject of kuji in. I know most people bother you with this subject but I was hoping to find more information about this practice than one paragraph in you latest book and a description of mudras with no ma raras en the other. Besides. The mudras diferent in the 9th and 4th hand seal. I was hoping information you could lead me in the right direction with some biography ?? Thank you
I've NEVER seen a modern "Ninjutsu" practitioner that impressed me either with their H2H or weapons skills. If it doesn't work now then either it never worked or it's fake.
I was in the army...and there were many ones without any knowledge about fighting...but they were really good soldier.
Does anybody get that?
Thank you for this the biggest thing i accomplished was ditching my pride ninjutsu takes a life time i can draw on this and procede forward. I apply mushin no mind and no pride i dont advertise or teach or i keep to my self so i take the meat and seperate the bone ill just continue training and being humble and learn Thank you antony
Been watching your channel from nearly the start now & love it. I did Ninpo Tai Jutsu for over 7 years and agree with you. Have to look back it it with fond memories but now its not really (Ninjutsu) I used to enjoy the other training thigns, stealth etc but that was probally not real either. I would rather be aware of the real thing then living a lie.
9:42 Wow! Dude! NO! You are saying that you want to eliminate entire ninja combat systems, just because you can't find these systems in a historical book? These systems are secretive. Many martial arts are or at least, were. That's pretty freaking wack, dude!
These combative systems are pretty well established and you want to erase that?
If this is your approach to their schools, then even I have to stand against you. I now understand why they don't like you.
I bought one of you books, I will start reading tomorrow.
So a question? You are saying that the Ninja (historically) did not have any hand to hand combat skills or training programs? or are you saying that they had skills, but they were not specific to the ninja and that it was borrowed from another group?
I understand that ninjitsu is not a martial art, so what styles of combat where they using back then? Was it a combination of different styles then mashed together?
What would be an appropriate style to learn now that was most like what they used back then?
Yes! A companion piece that provides context to the bansenshukai would be much appreciated.
Thanks for a picture idea...
i stil strugel with moon astronomical to contelation is if the first house? even back ground as sailor en astronomical navigation (point ram (first house of spring stil used to calculate.
Hmmm...I train a little part of old bujutsu of Koka region (the ryu shinden fudo ryu ki-ho and no, is not bujinkan); this art is hard, but like you say is BUJUTSU, not "shinobi no jutsu"; in this part and useful for every day the things you can use are knowledge like GAMAN SURU...resist, use your patience, control your feelings...and things like use the respiration techniques for walk more fast and not tired, etc.
when I first spoke about actual ninjutsu to a bunjikan member I was told my idea of ninjutsu is fantasy.....well now the tables have turned lol
for me its in my heart everyone has that thing that they want to be involved with over the years of my training I have made a lot of mistakes and had a 7 year time that I went into depression coming back into after those 7 years I'm seeing it in a deffirent set of eyes. In this I'm seeing these online ninja wars and I'm left with the question HOW did the ninja go from being detestable lowest class that no one wanted to have anything to do with much like we see today to this HIGH AND MIGHTY warrior god that no one can even touch. Much like anything else from my years of training I look at this if any one wants to claim to live according to the ninja lifestyle then I wont question them but they better be spending there days training. I love Anthony cummins and I love listening to the others it broadens my horizon I will more and likely get the books by him when they come out but as for whats right and whats wrong I'm deciding to go forward with my training if I get there I get there if not then I will be left with the satisfaction of doing that ONE thing that is in my heart and my spirit and doing what I love.
can it be adaptation you can practice a lot of covert tactics of ninjutsu off the grid but in a big city in this date and time you could be looked at as terrorist or something. my group are martial artist former military and survivalist we get together in the bush and pass the good knowledge and leave the junk there is that ninjutsu adapting to modern world just a question
I used to believe both the hand to hand and the scrolls. This may sound contradictory but basically I believed that it was both a martial art, shurikenjustsu iado etc, and stealth and spying. Then one day I came across your videos, Antony. Around a year ago, and you cleared everything up. I later bought a few books, read 'em, and that's that.
It depends on how you define “martial art “
Suijutsu is the martial art of swimming in armor.
The truth tends to be hard to swallow, especially when people have such a "solid" image of what something is, be it Ninja or other mythical martial arts group ...but all if not most trusted evidence points at it. Too many people disconnected from reality, yet by their own choice. I practiced with an allegedly koga school for one lesson, tho I already had some years of experience in martial arts, and I could tell what was up. Its not that you waste your time, like Anthony said, you can make friends and you will be in shape, but the thing is, they are just selling you "the dream".
Maybe you don´t train in real shinobi no jutsu, what is the "allegedly koga school" you train??
Do they give ninjutsu training in iga ueno now?
Kawasaki Sensei offers some training in Iga.
I was never attached to the Ninjutsu as combat system idea. It was an all-encompassing training model for building a feudal Japanese-era special warfare fighter. I still train Takamatsu-Den, and when people ask me what I practice, I just say "Kobudo" or "Classical Jujutsu." I use your books as reference for when I want to go deeper into areas of the various skills we don't normally cover (for example, I'll generally be training taijutsu, kenjutsu, etc. but will visit skills such as shinobi iri or cho ho occasionally, and will use your books as a primary source when doing so).
I take half of what you say with a grain of salt honestly. You are an author more than anything. Little actual experience in the things you talk about, but i like the translations and can understand where you drew your conclusions from. So as long as you stick to that, i don't mind getting the books. Make sure you give the ones who do the real work for you the credit they richly deserve.
I did a lot of martial arts in the past, always looking for something more fitting for my style, then i stumbled upon bujinkan budo taijutsu.
I didn't care that they called it ninjutsu, i just liked how the moves worked together. It was far more brain food for me than krav maga, but still very combat related.
At some point i wonder about the intentions japanese trainers have, when they knowingly spread lies, especially to their students. Maybe thats just the way they tend to tread foreigners, keeping the truth to themselves - after this betrayal, one should ask himself, if this sensei is worthy to have his students trust.
Perhaps thats the real ninjutsu behind all of this ...
They may not know that they're just perpetuating a fabricated history. It wasn't that many years ago that basically everyone would have sworn that Roman gladiatorial fights were to the death and that thumbs up/down meant life/death respectively. Funny enough, most of that myth was based on the Pollice Verso painting and had no basis in archaeological nor literal evidence. All it takes is for enough people to believe in something, doesn't matter if it's true or false.
Jugg3r the iga and koga schools definitely did have 'fatal strike' hand techniques that are meant to be delivered quickly and enable escape. So yes, a typical dojo can't spar or train in this. Ninjutsu is a violent art bordering on body modification as witnessed by Seiko (his fingers, ankles which he broke in training, hyperphagia, endurances, and leaping/gliding from castle walls)
I said keep up the good and amazing work, but watch you step, cause you know, theres a tons o "ninjas" out there that wants your head LOL
for those who dont accept the truth, the truth always come and when it comes, it hits hard.
Most traditional martial arts practiced today bare only limited resemblance to the original. People like money, people sell what they can do, people make their facts fit the truth.... many martial arts teachers know this.
If we are honest about what type of practice we are doing.... or more correctly are enlightened by our instructors in these ideas.... then more positive and useful results come from your passion and wasting your life for 20 yrs on a lie is not even possible as an outcome.... we train whatever we train. Just promote honesty and enjoy.
I am still here just got the new internet and i now and can follow your work spy crafted is main part of ninjutsu I still do both and not shame of it but main are spying and survival long other parts thumb up on your video support 100%
I am wondering why people study ninjutsu either real or fake. What do they expect to get out of it? Self-Defense? Fitness? It seems to me there are better modalities if that is your goal. Is it historical study, escapism, or some sort of practical skill set? It's a fascinating discussion but I'm just wondering what is the root motivation.
Depends on the person, but yeah, mostly self-defense, fitness, as a hobby, entertainment, historical reenactment and study etc. I think it could be both escapism and a practical skill set, minus all the outdated traditions.
I study traditional shinobi no jutsu for learn, know and maintain a very old tradition...
Jeffry C. Larson because it is like "kung fu" - they incorporate weapons. While Karate-do has kobudo it is not the main focus. So the modern "Ninjutsu" puts parts of the various weapon arts together. And you must NEVER forget the FUN factor. For many today whatever the martial art it is a more disciplined, focused, version of basketball. There's nothing wrong with that. So in a nutshell you concern yourself with your arts and they will concern with their own.
not sure if ogarzabello is trolling or if he is serious...
In the 80s it was made out to be more than what it is. Kinda like a sun tzue art of war life strategy where it is adaptable to business success and life. So the idea was to make you powerful mentally and physically. But really your right it is just old outdated ideas. Hatsumi made bank on this con. I spent a lot of money on it in the day.
The truth shall set you free.
Hey, Antony. I've been emotionally attached to that famous Ninpo Taijutsu organization (whose name you probably know), but fortunately, I do not have that problem anymore.
But I am interested in the historical part of it all and one question I would like to be answered is: is Togakure-ryu school real? And, of course, I mean the school that sells that "Ninpo Taijutsu" organization as legitimate ninjutsu ...
I imagine you've already made a video about it, but if you've made, it was banned and I did not find it. I hope you can help spread the truth, whatever.
And what about masaki hatsumi this isn't me saying I believe or not this is me just being generally inquisitive
I know he incorporates I think they said 7 different forms of samurai combat but and 3 forms of ninjutsu I believe is the cirricululum he teaches
I have the debate with some XKan guys, the mayor opinions are "nobody know real ninjutsu" or "the real ninja skill can´t be used today, are old and ilegal, them us learn about martial arts and combat"...etc; in the other hand, is very difficult know all about the real "shinobi no jutsu", because some techniques you have be learned when you are a kid (like dislocate bones)...and make a list based in BANSENSHUKAI or MANSENSHUKAI is very poor too...the book is not writed by real ninjas, was writed by samurais who knows some ninja techniques and warfare.
So my "Ninja Stars" are still legit, right? JK But yea, The Book of Ninja was hard to read. I got it. It's just that it's a bit of a stretch to relate much of it to my modern life. I took it for what it is, just an astounding work of scholarship. No kidding there. Bravo. I'll be ordering the skills book. Way to be on top of what's desired. Have you read or ever discussed Dr. Haha Lung's works? They appeal to me because my practice lean towards the mental. What might you think of his "Black Science?
Just throwing this out there but what if ninjas were the 1st mixed martial artists an ninjutsu was nothing more than a mix of martial arts that existed at that time. Just a thought i don't claim to be any kind of expert.
That could be true due to their chinese decent. But then again samurai are also mixed martial artists in a sense, as they learned many styles of fighting.
Paperback...? PAPERBACK???
Next step is step back and slizer under rock ! Bwahahahah
in my country the only ninja stuff they know is naruto and bujinkan. love the work you keep doing,and 9 years watching you and in the comments people still are stupid AF.
my name is wilson emberley dixon ......... i remain as i am humble poor though strong ............. real skills interest me the wold only cares for certificates ......... i would like to start a school in newfoundland ............. newfoundland canada is 500 years old the worlds many warriors are mixed to my homeland we are a part of canada since 1949 ............ anyway this is the only topic i am actually interested in could you please send me any real info on the history
also for me its about my childhood and mentally staying strong ................. a kick is a kick and a punch is a punch.............the cauldron in the store could not be stolen by the students at the masters request ....... when the students asked the master to successfully commit the daytime theft of the large cauldron this is what happened ............. the master went to the store and paid and had it delivered to his school ...........the students protested ...... when the teacher exclaimed ........... i stole many things before hand which i sold to get the money and therefor i stole the cauldron ........... in this we are pushed to see a different strategy for thought .......... in the end a kick and a punch is the last resort of a scout being spotted shozoku is what ever others in a community wears what is ninja a word which describes the clever ................. if you have some real strategy guides please send them ................ btw anyone reading this ................. specializing in any art ...... this is the way you will see the spirit/soul of a thing ........ as you surrender yourself to this you then see the way of the tengu is service not subjugation of others but subjugation of ones self ....... the i the ego what ever your environment blend and utilize it as organic as possible i impart these things to you ............. as you should already know you are what you desire
I've always believed all shinobi were trained in their own regional sword of the time. They were trained in their local fighting arts especially ones that had concealed tools and weapons. No need to record this info because "every" warrior in that area was trained to use that weapon as a part of their regular budo. Hundreds of schools teaching hundreds of arts some are bound to be used regularly by the shinobi.
Karate judo aikido jujitsu great systems but in them selves floored. Back in 1992 Ninjutsu was a gap filler to help bridge all the systems.. in this regard Dr Hatsuumi was a success..Stephen Hayes. One of the grand masters Sheehan left to do his own thing....
Others tried to do it but no....... others did I hear you say takamatsu Genbukan Jinninkan BBD Akban etc etc, I know but unlike Hayes the got pushed out.
Only Stephen knew once he learnt all he could, when t o move on everyone else stuck on the pyramid scheam. 15th Dan Bujinkan honbu laughing all the way to the bank........
I totaly agree there: there was no such thing like ninpo taijutsu. There were (and are) multiple hand-to-hand combat technics sure, but nothing created by ninja, for ninjas only. The best example are Special Forces around the woirld of today: they DO NOT have any form of SpecOps jutsu known only to them. They use self defence combat technics like Krav-maga (it's so widely use, specialy by americans, british, french, polish and, of course, israelian spec ops) just slithly modified or adapted for their operating modes. I'm pretty sure it went the same way for ninjas at their time
Jeez this guy better hope all these fake ninjas never disappear or he is screwed. Hey but he can give you real lessons on how to be a ninja just buy his book. This dude is a hilarious. LMAO
After studying different martial arts, I joined the Bujinkan in the year 2000 because I found that its martial arts practices were very effective. The traditional “ninja skills” of spying and infiltration were not important to me because when you read the shinobi manuals, you can see that many tools of the trade and practices are outdated and only suited to medieval Japan. We have much better tools now, and, we have new high-tech challenges not present in medieval Japan (heat sensor alarms, night vision equipment, etc). No modern spy or special forces operator would use more than 20% of what is written on the old scrolls. The most important part of the ancient shinobi texts that transcends time is the mentality, the attitude, the strategy, that part is as valid as Sun Tzu’s book, The Art of War.
applying your research techniques , There is no scroll that mentions the ninja or samurai having sex. therefore it is proven that the ninja and samurai were eunochs. Throughout history we can see examples of different military units adapting fighting skills for their own needs and i don't think the ninja and Samurai were any different , saying that the nija did not know any martial arts is just rediculous , they would have learnt fighting arts and i can pretty much gurantee those arts would have been adapted to their environment.
I understand you have a beef with the Bujinkan but what you havn't explained to anyone in any suitable fashion is how , if indeed it is a modern made up art , that it fits into history seamlessly , Takamatsu was a great martial artist but It's a bit of a stretch to hypothesize that he made up the whole thing
This guy its giving knowledge that is thousen years old, that knowledge is not for everyone to see
Ninjutsu is a high end martial art and follows the Art of War very well. I don't see how anyone can say that it is not, when it is so much more so than most other martial arts.
I don't think you understand what martial art means. Physically fighting is the lowest form of any martial art. Akido practitioners will tell you this. Tai Chi Chuan masters will tell you this. Shoalin masters will tell you this.
A martial art is a lifestyle of fitness, virtue and survival. Bushido is a martial art. Martial arts do not have to involve fighting.
As Bruce Lee said, the highest form of martial art, is fighting without fighting.
With that said, at some point in your life, you will most likely have to fight for your life to carry on. Same with ninja. At some point, as a ninja, during those days, you may have to kill someone to survive or complete a mission. Are you going to run down to the local dojo real quick? No. You will be trained by your peers. Your fellow ninja will train you to do this with perfection or at least try. This is simply common sense.
To claim that ninja clans wouldn't come up with their own style of fighting, for their own purposes, is retarded thinking. Ninja are not going to to a public dojo in those days. You do not want to be known as a fighter. As a ninja, you do not want to bring attention to yourself. You will train in secret with your fellow ninja. You will learn to fight from them, using their learned methods and tools of the trade. Large ninja schools will develop a style of combat training. This will grow and spread and voila, a ninjutsu style has emerged. Simple as that, man.
Godspeed!
4 BJK Shihans voted down thumbs!
I swear to God UA-cam recommends me to videos like this just to troll me.
Wish Takamatsu knew/told what type of old budo he practiced. We know it wasn't ninjutsu...what was it? It may help the Buji folks to see evidence of what they are actually studying and perhaps when it was brought into the lineage. Eventually, they'll need to rename it. Truth wins in the long run.
RodCornholio well I believe he is a leader in Katori-Shinto Ryu. At least that's his introduction in a book on stick fighting. Mostly hanbo and yari. No mention anywhere in it of ninja or Buj~
@@robocoastie well I know the samurai arts in Bujinkan are legitimate, according to Cummins himself. Though looking through it, I wonder how much flowery crap was added later. It took me several hours going through gyokko Ryu and shinden Fudo Ryu to take out the flowery shit that I could find. My books on them are full of notes 😂 I’m scared about getting the others now lol
So for example, there’s several techniques in those green books that are useful, but instead of kicking the knees they are going after the stomach which makes no sense armor or not. Or punching the face instead of the throat little stuff like that just with the dakenjutsu.
So we have a very academic subject in a very Unacademic world full of Mcdojos, so unfortunate, this world of McDojos is amoust an alphabetic....
the Bujinkan is not legit
How can we trust TURNBULL if he was so wrong before?
ogarzabello if he took the effort to correct his mistakes and even admit to being wrong is showing credibility towards improving. Itd be the same thing if you were studying something and found out it was wrong so you find more answers and correct your information. He shouldnt be bashed he has a passion for this subject like many others do and he wants to educate and find out for himself as well.
Cause he knows more than u and been to japan more than you😂😂😂😂😂😂😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉
ogarzabello yes exactly what i wanted to tell you baby girl😉
cause ur the one starting with insults here and there, got it?!
ogarzabello hahahahahaahhahahaha Bitch please, u prolly havent event even read that article urself, dont steal my word would you?!😏babygirl, or should i say lazy looser
He was not wrong there though, some Shinobi were indeed samurai and that's VERY easily proven.
As for Ju Go Dan. 15th disagree. Lol...... Not widely excepted. Too easy to acquire a bit of a joke really.Still I can hear the honbu laughing all the way to the bank. What does your Sheehan say, shut up and train..
Good Job Antony.
I find turnbull to have a lot of historical fallacies in his work.
Yeah. I remember his first book where he said that some shinobi were part of the nobility, he lost all credibility in my book at that point, but I continued reading his book just to see what other idiotic ideas he promoted.
Yes, is true and he is working in the correction, wait for the new book in march 2018, where is gonna do the corrections of the myths.
Um i think Hatsumi Masaaki studied the ninja text and or scrolls at the ninja museum and integrated them with the Budo and Bujutsu he teaches i thought thus was common knowledge
Today in BUJINKAN BUDO TAIJUTSU not teach nothing about shinobi no jutsu, always teach you hand to hand and weapons combat, and that is not "ninjutsu"...
Cristian Sepúlveda i never said that it was ninjutsu bud
Christian I´m totally agree with you, but what said Jose Chavez is the explication of this facts, there are not Ninjutsu in BJK, is only "his" vision, I mean a fake historical NInjutsu.
Nonsense
Fake now we have no proof of that Anthony hasn't seen the Scrolls that Masaaki Hatsumi had so technically you can't go claiming that it's fake because you don't know yourself and neither does Anthony Cummins and there's still things that he's discovering that he said was fake but now are coming to light
I don't get it. Your book tells you how to be a ninja, 1 book? Defined X number of lessons? Field craft, disguise, intel gathering, counter intel and disinformation? Not trying to be an ass, but I'm not buying a manual on how to fix my car written by a software engineer who has spent no time getting grease in his hands and has just watched some UA-cams.
I think you may be missing the mark here a little. Its more like a software engineer who got tired of paying someone to fix his car (just like Anthony got tired of the BS ninja schools out there), so he read an auto mechanic manual and spoke to other people who have worked on their car. After this he takes the most useful instructions on fixing common car issues and writes a book. This does not make his book illegitimate. The info is still accurate because it is taken from auto mechanics and others who have worked on cars. Being a software engineer does not stop him from producing a good auto mechanic book. Also, Anthony is a historian an holds a degree (not that this means he knows it all), but he has a solid background on how to interpret history.
THere is not only one book, there are many, besides, even if there was only one we know that's truth while skills from Bujinakn and it's offspring styles have absolutely no historical background and we would have to take teacher's word for it.
Kendamu, like I said, to rephrase, I think it would be quite silly to try and learn espionage, fieldcraft et cetera, or even 101 level stuff from a guy who's never done it. Want to learn this stuff, go enlist and qualify / pass selection / whatever. Or if you can't go to someone who has actually done this for a living - of course, you could get conned here, too.
ninjutsu is an additional art rather than the art itself its more like a mechanic getting a book on a spasific car so he can know the additional features that others cars mightnt have
spykez spykez Dont argue cumins is da last ninja lolz
Anthony, can I just stop you there, you seem to be making a wee bit of a mistake..it seems as though you have dedicated a huge chunk of your life trying to convince folk who are studying a martial art that what they are studying is not Ninjutsu, but you dont get it, they want to be studying hand to hand combat, thats why they took up a martial art, the Bujinkan at least is not what the ninja studied it has evolved and for todays use in hand to hand combat therefore is better than what they studied, but there is no doubt that Ninja had to use a sword and other weapons, had to study taijutsu and the some of the ryu in the Bujinkan are martial arts they studied, with a living Grandmaster. Folk dont want to learn to be a Ninja, maybe a few role players, but if you want to be a Ninja you are better of becoming a lock smith, or a spy rather than reading your book. So now you know this you can perhaps back down from what seems to be a pointless crusade?
There are hundreds of different martial arts from old ones to new ones that's loved and hated by different people all over the world, but people who practice xkan arts receive a whole nother level of hate. I do know what's taught in the bujinkan and the genbukan is derived from several different ryuha, I know and I'm sure Antony knows some of the ryuha that's taught are verifiably samurai, there are other ryuha that is claims to be ninja, but overall there techniques are put into a modern system and taught in a modern way. Antony seems to have made a career bashing a marital art he doesn't even like, then he rebrand his own modern recreation of ninja and teach that as a more accurate recreated version, weird. I use to wonder why Meik skoss never really got into the whole thing with making a career of bashing ninpo, granted he did write some articles against ninpo but he moved on and continued with his own training because it didn't matter because people actually enjoy there training in ninpo or whatever else they do. Personally I don't like Brazilian jujitsu I think it's a good way to get stabbed while on the ground, but that doesn't matter, the only thing that matter is the people that enjoy doing that art.
Yes quite it is important people should be aware of the limitations of their chosen art
You need to follow your own advice. You're constantly wrong in your history of the samuria. You can't even do your own translation, because you find learning Japanese stupid. So when are you going to go back to school and get a real resume that says you are a real historian in Japanese culture and history? You have no right to say "when your wrong your wrong" When you yourself do slappy work. And have to ask other people like Metatron to do your work because you think learning Japanese is not important.
People shouldn't take your work seriously, because in truth you don't take it seriously.
You're not a martial artist, your team sucks. You can't even tell the difference between Kobun and Old Japanese. Yoshie isn't translating old Japanese she is translating Kobun which is literary language which is different from the spoken language.
For example Natori doesn't speak Old Japanese but instead early modern Japanese. He wrote in Kobun.
You use Natori to explain all SAMURIA, what you don't realize he is Edo Samuria. He cannot be used to explain all SAMURIA, because Samuria acted different in each era. Samuria in the Edo period were not warriors, but politicans. They were not allow to be warriors, because it was against the law. If you really understood why Natori was an Edo Samuria you would understand his thinking better in your book of Book of Samuria. And on top of that you don't understand damasare when you see it, nor do you understand it. There's a lot things you are wrong about the Samuria. You need to fix yourself, before you go on about someone else being wrong. You get upset when people say you're wrong. You get upset when people criticise you, that's one of reasons you don't make UA-cam videos anymore. Because you can't take criticism because you think you're the expert in everything in Japanese and you are noy.
LittleImpaler butthurt ninja detected
Omg here we go again with SamuRIA 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LOL
Are you a ninja?
He is right about some of the history and technical skills Cummins demonstrates and presents being wrong though, Several Kenjutsu schools have tried to correct him, and he wasn't interested.