Discovery may not be the Star Trek we remember, but this is my favorite battle. I know I am going to be hated for liking Discovery, but that's ok. I can understand how people feel, and I respect their opinion. But then again, not every Star trek show is meant to be the same. Star trek is about change, and change is never easy.
Star Trek was always about pushing the frontier and maintaining our humanity and morality in the process of doing so. Star Trek Discovery is all about ruining what Star Trek was all about and pushing a political agenda.
And Loud as fuck as well. Not to mention Burnham's communicator performing audible translations with lights as well....but damnit if I still don't love this show for some reason. Wtf?
Yeah, that animation is Silly. The Klingon look I could get around, especially after the redesign where they changed the nose and pointy heads. As well Star Trek 6 already showed us similar looking Klingons and with the Augment Virus there could be some repercussions. Other than that I do enjoy how colorful it is, as TOS also was extremely colorful to show off color tv's. Just that animation man :P.
Star Trek communicators always crack me up, no matter what show. The characters rarely confirm the end of their own comms channels (like "Acknowledged. Riker, out." which he'd say sometimes). i say that because i love imagining Lorca and the rest of the bridge crew hearing Culber say, "I love you" and for a split second thinking it was for Lorca, like in Airplane.
Zarcondeegrissom IKR FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT. Spore drive is just a discount ftl from Battlestar Galactica only in the process it forgot to be cool
@@chrismaguire3667 To me it's an effect meant to signify the interdimensional jump, not a literal spin. Like how TNG phaser fire can singe holes into a body without having it collapse or the organs falling out as it disintegrates. My guess is that it's meant to represent the ship as a poly-dimensional solid, kinda like how graphic renderings of a tesseract show 2 cubes "moving through" each other.
@@volgawolfhounds741 yes I did I saw the whole 1st season... they just never explained why they did the jumping beyond " show them what the Discovery is capable of"
Biggest problem with this show is the lack of compelling action. You're supposed to be at war with the Klingons, but 90% of it is spent talking in your room, the tiny mess hall, or the engineering bay about personal issues to drive the plot. You can pretty much watch the first 3 episodes, the last 3 episodes, and that's it. Old trek had its issues, specifically DS9, but at least it's characters felt like real people. Quark has a bigger personality than the entire galaxy in discovery, COMBINED.
@@dividius8004 dude ... every iteration of star trek has been woke for when it was made, example TOS was made 1966-69 and Nyota Uhura was a black female the equal rights amendment didn't get ratified until 1973 and they got a crap ton of hate for making a "un-pure" show because she was able to intermingle with white crew members
The word you're looking for is "Progressive," not "Woke." There is a massive difference. Previous shows were progressive and egalitarian in their approach to things. The best of the best rose to the top without prejudice or favoritism. This show is woke. It simply checks boxes in an effort to virtue signal.
This show would make more sense if it handled Discovery and it's crew as if they were all part of Section 31 ... from the future, and they were using the spore drive to FIX the time stream of the past. It would then explain all the uniform changes from the TV shows and the movies, all the Klingon mess happening in this version of Star Trek and anything else they aren't keeping to canon. Their greatest enemy in this series would then be the Section 31 from the Mirror Universe who are the ones secretly making the time stream changes in order to try and make this universe exactly like the one they come from. SIGH, soooooo much potential ... wasted.
ANYTHING would make more sense than whatever...this is. It's a real shame, since they have the budget and special effects that other Star Treks could have really benefited from and instead they waste it on melodramatic characters who look and act like something out whatever teen drama is currently on
@@roygamon9535 this is science fantasy. Sci-fi at least have some basis in science. This is sloping toward midichloriams level of bullshit. This is why The Expanse is the Star Trek of our era. Star Trek's only selling point is social justice now.
Look in the reflection around 3:15 --> his hair looks different, assuming that's the mirror stamets? Or it's just coincedence and shot in different scenes
I’m a LONG time trekkie and I liked Discovery because it was different! Why not a spore drive? We’ve had crystalline entities, borg, the Q, etc………and an engine is an issue? It was violent, gripping, that first season kept your head spinning! Was it perfect? Nope! But bravo for taking chances and trying something new! This is NOT your pappys shatner!
Any other drive, like the slipstream drive, transwarp drive etc would of been absolutely fine but the Spore drive literally teleports the ship to anywhere in the universe. Like they even make it so the spore drive can transport other ships with it. By this effect, it makes travelling from A to B seem pointless(which most plot of all star trek is derived from the travelling from A to B). Like last season of Disc that they get a massive head start but end up short anyway? Like what?
could they not have made the sensors a little more...covert? instead of something the size of a bowling ball plastered with the Federation logo, and glowing like a christmas tree, maybe something a little more subtle?
I actually really enjoyed this show. The pacing, visuals, and themes were unlike anything I’ve seen in any Trek series before. I thought it started to fall apart toward the end of the season, but all in all, a welcome addition to the mythology, even if it didn’t FEEL like Trek a lot of the time.
Ok in all fairness If this show was based in the future beyond anything that’s been covered (before Picard released of course) and the spore Drive was a new technology this would be so much cooler, just gotta fix all the mis continuities
Scientists not navy Remember is is also Pre OS Star Trek. Discovery was even more a Science Vessel then the Constitution Classes were. It was a Armed Science Lab
@scotthartman8993 still no excuse, honestly. In any case, they operate within a military-type structure. In freaking space. Scientist, military, or lunch lady, their actions are awful.
I feel like it got worse once Lorca was written out, but it also makes me wish they had found Prime Lorca. It'd be funny if both the Prime and Mirror versions were equally just as strict on discipline.
What I don't understand is the fact that before they could do long jumps by using a navigator, they could do successful small jumps without one, so why didn't they just do the 130 jumps without Stamets being the navigator for the jumps?
The only thing that really bothers me here with this newer series is the reimagined Klingons. Why couldn't they just do a very subtle change like was done in Star Trek Into Darkness or just leave them as they were?
Last i watched they needed to jump that many times to get the cloaking frequency for klingon ships so they can counter them when aggressing klingon vessels cloak while attacking
So I'm actually a fan of the show but I can honestly say I'm not impressed with the ending of season 1. I know it's not the star trek way but I wanted to see an all out war with the klingons..
Season 2 definitely got better then 1. Still not fantastic but its getting better. You could say that all trek series were that way. Season 2 kinda wrapped up enough stuff to stabilize continuity.
its a grave ship not meant to be a front-line warship so no intruder alarms because it was believed that it would never be seen by anyone other than Klingons and no Klingon would want to go to Gre'Thor or the Klingon's version of hell
Still want to know where the mushroom tech went for TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and every Star Trek movie. The ability to instantly travel anywhere sure would've made things a lot simpler for StarFleet. Also, if the writers conveniently destroy the space shrooms during the show, then the shrooms were just a dumb gimmick for a show that just -had- to reinvent everything for this damn prequel.
They shelved the technology because of the toll it takes on an operator. In the ST future, Starfleet ethics trump capability anywhere outside of Section 13.
The same place as the Excelsior's transwarp drive, the subspace transporter, the Soliton wave, the Elway theorem, and other concepts that either failed or deemed too risky -- especially the spore drive that needs a living host to operate it, and ethically unsound as it requires genetic modification of the crew or imprisoning sentient species.
One thing that iffed me highly on Discovery, all the seasons is the weapons fire. Everyone using pulsed phasers like its Star Wars, like wtf. During pre-ToS pulsed phasers was phased out for the Phaser beam turrets after Ent so what are we watching? Like if we wanted laser pew pew we go watch Star wars man
So the Spore jump is like how they travel in the Dune universe ? where the navigators need the SPICE as a drug induced space/time travel... And this is 10 years Pre 1966 Star Trek? How come the universe got stuck with Warp?
Discovery is the only ship with functional spore drive and at the end of serie two, Discovery was lost in time wormhole. The research was cancelled and all is classified. A similar situation is in TNG with phase cloak.
@@tmod231 an idiot opinion needs yo be called out. Anyone who doesnt see that Trek needed to change and be updated are idiots. All first seasons of Trek start out rough. Discovery tried. If they wanted to be lazy they would have done no Orivlle crap. Random recycled stories that been done before. Instead of making good looking sets, great graphics, detailed uniforms. More complicated makes up for Aliens. But these damn idiots dont want quality. But rather have wood sets and 60s qaulity sweater uniforms.
Julian Styles I’d rather have a good story than quality visuals. That’s what made the classic series so great. Sure this show is visually great. But the story lacks
This is an insult to the real Star Trek, to be honest. I think this and the Orville got switched at birth or something. Then again, I suppose there's ample reason why it's called 'STD'...
Simon Willis Actually, these Klingons are just as real. They are a certain sect that (conveniently) were not shown in the many previous shows, past or future canon, but there is a lot of history and politics behind that. They are few in number, but their DNA is one of the purest, as they probably avoided the augment virus that made the majority of Klingons look human for a century. They gained political power because of this, as purity and honor is powerful in Klingon Empire politics. And after Discovery Season 1, they lost the war and power and became a minority once again. The Klingons of ENT/TNG/DS9 are the majority of the Klingon race, but they are human looking in Discovery/TOS and therefore are using cosmetic surgery or just staying home while these darker guys are in charge of the Empire. It is like how humans have Caucasians, Asians, Africans, etc. Insulting Discovery's Klingons just because they are different is kind of racist. Andorians are another good example of a species with subspecies. Some are blue, and some are white. They are both Andorian. As for how the majority of Discovery used subtitles instead of automatic translation, I think it is more authentic. If you think about it, every Star Trek episode/movie/series with ANY alien race has universal translators working 24/7. Sometimes they don't work, but it is for everyone's convenience. They almost never know English after all.
Why did Discovery have to jump so many times after the Klingon vessel clocked? The Discovery clearly knew where the ship was so why didn't they just fire?
They had to jump around the Klingon ship to break the cloak. Besides that, there were still crew members of the Discovery on board the Klingon ship. And even if they knew where the ship was, they probably couldn’t lock on because it was cloaked.
Seriously, they back off of going faster than warp 5 without dire need because of the harmful effects it had on subspace, they would definitely hard pass on spore drive. Shot, voyager didn't even fly for that shot when they found the equinox, and they were desperate
No man, it's based on Mushroom theory and things in space that are utter bullshit. Another creative decision bungled by the Discovery team. Come to think of it, I don't know of a creative decision this show got right. Not one.
Graham Kennedy they broke it down for you. No different than folding space onto each other to connect two points and then unfolding it. Or Bio space in Voyager. Science is discovering new things every day. Its your opinion but I liked a lot of the show. Only part of the show that disappointed me was the finale.
CBS fu-ked all of us. - this is no original time line. Even if they tried to fix it at the end. Luckily Leslie Moonves is out.. That might help. In case some one does not know. Leslie Moonves hated Star Trek.
Two men telling each other I love you while in battle? A blue spinning light on a secret device on board an enemy ship. A ship that spins while navigated by a man connected to what appears to be an IV? Is this really what you consider excellence in script writing and story content America?
This is a rip off of the game Tardigrades which was released on Steam Greenlight in 2014. Let's see how the courts feel about this scale of plagiarism.
I can't even imagine some Admiral approving this ship for construction, except as a small experimental craft. What happens if this guy dies under the strain?
basically, 2 of these ships were made, the USS Discovery and the other was USS Glenn and they were both trying to get the spore drive working using very different methods but for more detail watch the show
Imo, the seasons when TNG and DS9 converged were the best in star trek. some might think different, but the new series is too much like that jj abrams stuff nice for popcorn but no real 'trek' if you know what I mean.
just leave the poor klingons alone. they get their anatomy rearranged every time there is a new series. stick with either something out of buck rogers, or TNG, but this is too far over the top. maybe this is an alternate reality? i haven't watched the series, just seen clips on youtube, but it looks interesting. but make sure the story is the heart of it all and not the special effects. i am an original series person, with them from the very first season. i want a GOOD star trek series .
What I want to know is why the Humans still look the way they did in the 60s. Discovery is supposed to be modern! Next season, give all the humans tentacles coming out of their eyes and five arses each. Then it will be properly modern and everyone will love it.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this drivel is some of the poorest TV produced. This makes the older Enterprise TV series look like a masterpiece. I have travelled through space on mushrooms but that was the 60's. Don't keep broadcasting!!
Not only are the designs of the ship aesthetically painful to look at, but the spore drive animation looks silly. Not to mention whatever the fuck those Klingons are supposed to be. The fact this garbage is masquerading as prime universe lore just makes it all the more worse.
I judged too harshly on the pretense of having watched the other shows. While it's certainly not a great show in my eyes, neither my cup of tea, I was too quick to judge it before watching. Truthfully, the show is interesting enough to hold attention, and the writing is average at best- nowhere near as bad as people claimed it to be. As an old DW fan, take it from me- in Star Trek's case, you haven't seen bad writing at all. Not even close.
There's a whole bunch of shitposting comments on literally every single Discovery (here's a tip, don't watch them) video by people who also think Enterprise was a good show. news flash, it wasn't and Trek fans hated it when it came out for retconning, continuity and some truly terrible acting. When Voyager came out, they screamed and wailed because of it's "Feminist Agenda", When DS9 came out, they cried it was just a rip off of Babylon 5. The first season of TNG is by and large, terrible. it hasn't aged well at all. It's so 80's, there's a therapist sitting next to the Captain. TOS was cancelled after three seasons. Perhaps the point is the "True Trek" fans have no idea what they are "True Fans" of. Is it the animated series? Comic Books? or do you just like sitting in your underpants, flying a model of the Enterprise around your head and saying "make it so" while your Mom brings more hot pockets?
.... you have to open up the communicator to use the universal translator? Fuck man Kelvin had the sense enough to explain they are built into the uniforms. Why the fuck would you backtrack the tech and make everything more nonsensical? It’s like the midichlorian thing all over.
I just don't even know. I think I would have liked this show more if it was set after voyager by a good 100 years. At least the ships sizes and advanced technology for the time period would make more sense. But NOOO! We got these advanced ships running around the same universe where people on Star Fleets flag ship are doing reports on ******* SHEETS OF PAPER! PAPPPPPER! (The Cage) Now we got Klingons that have cloaked YOLO ram ships and killer fidget spinners....please, just stop it!
The sarcophagus wasnt the only Klingon ship with cloaking capability. Every ship owned by a house that worshipped the house of K'or had cloaking capabilities, and so calculating the cloaking frequency of the sarcophagus would be a winning move for the Federation.
Wow... That was... Really dull. Ship to ship battles were more engaging when it was just the actors lurching about the set. Those weak pew pew lasers and that flippy jump were terrible.
Even the sound effects are horrible. Sounds like a cartoon for a 5 year old. Horrible wiring, horrible everything. I came here out of morbid curiosity, and i regret it. Guys, we can forget about the Star Trek we all know and love, it’s not going to happen again. All we have is this...this...🤮
So much salt over Discovery. It's like people think it's not authentic Trek unless we spend half the episode in meeting rooms and combat consists of people frantically punching at control panels while shouting about shield percentages and random technobabble. Oh yeah, while cutting occasionally to the B plot where someone is gadding about in the Holodeck. There is a lot about the older series that blew. I'm glad to see something new and exciting.
Meh its too dark for me, st should be light and hopefull. :D Its a fun series, but they changed couple of things where this wasnt necessary. Like klingon apprearances.
My gripes isn't the fact that it's new but rather its suppose to be old when it's not. Hardcore fans would find a lot of continuity issues line the spore drive, the renewed conflict with the Klingons (how many times are they gonna poke that dead horse?), the klingons themselves, this whole series is suppose to be pre STO on the timeline but pays little to no homage to the original series. I would mention its use to promote personal political views but I tend to ignore shit like that, however that belongs in a talkshow.
I haven't even seen it yet, but I'm willing to give it a shot, and I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm not really a big trekkie, and just started watching all of the series on Netflix a couple years ago, and I enjoy all of them (The original, TNG, DS9, and Voyager, haven't tried Enterprise yet) but I also liked the reboot trilogy, which is how I was introduced to Star trek, which is completely different from all of the series, and original movies. I grew up with Star Wars and just didn't get Star Trek as a kid and thought they looked ridiculous, but as I got older, I became more interested in the creative scenarios of encountering different types of lifeforms. I can enjoy different takes on the Star trek universe, instead of being close minded, and refusing to even try to enjoy a new series just because it is different, and not what you wanted. If it is bad, that's fine, but give it a chance, and don't expect it to be exactly the same as the older series.
You know the new Enterprise and that is kind of nice but I really love the old one like Enterprise D and the old Enterprise the first one ever made they were the best but I would like to Star Trek to have more battles to protect themselves no engine failures are my work speed this internet offline just attack and go for it and bait the aliens whatever the hell you're fighting cuz it makes you feel kind of boring when you have to oh my engine is offline my Force feels down to 60% oh my God make them the Top Guns of the Star Trek Enterprise no one destroys the Enterprise at all change the way of this thinking cuz the new the ones you have right now the new ones with a digital thing is not no good I don't like it it's not like back then when you used to when they had to push buttons and stuff like that and on screen and everything that's fine but the Enterprise D and the Enterprise the first one ever made I love those seasons don't make them too advanced because it's going to be kind of boring I like when they're going to battle the Enterprise always has to come up front and always succeed and be the winner always please respond to this thing and tell me what you think about it
What a brilliant premise that show’s spore drive used to be (and visually stunning to say the least), but man has Discovery ruined that opportunity with way too much haste, way too much emotion and way too much cultural relevance lecturing. Everyone besides Lorca is portrayed as either a fresh-off-the-academy-toddler with emotional outburst disorders, a know-it-all hotshot or as a completely inept quota hire. But hey, one day we might be able to feed that entire show into a benevolent AI that replaces all that garbage segments with timeless storytelling once again.
Discovery may not be the Star Trek we remember, but this is my favorite battle. I know I am going to be hated for liking Discovery, but that's ok. I can understand how people feel, and I respect their opinion. But then again, not every Star trek show is meant to be the same. Star trek is about change, and change is never easy.
change can be easy AF, Star Trek was about pushing the frontier, not dumbing back on dialogue, quotas and flashy action hype shit.
Orville > Discovery
Star Trek was always about pushing the frontier and maintaining our humanity and morality in the process of doing so.
Star Trek Discovery is all about ruining what Star Trek was all about and pushing a political agenda.
I agree with you
Finally someone that understand
So.....you make a sensor which needs to remain undiscovered spin with bright blue lights.....yeah.
"SECRET BEACON ACTIVATED!!!!!"
And Loud as fuck as well. Not to mention Burnham's communicator performing audible translations with lights as well....but damnit if I still don't love this show for some reason. Wtf?
Klingons can't see blue and spinning in this universe. That's why Discovery is so powerful in this universe.
Yeah, that animation is Silly. The Klingon look I could get around, especially after the redesign where they changed the nose and pointy heads. As well Star Trek 6 already showed us similar looking Klingons and with the Augment Virus there could be some repercussions.
Other than that I do enjoy how colorful it is, as TOS also was extremely colorful to show off color tv's. Just that animation man :P.
And beep lol
Star Trek communicators always crack me up, no matter what show. The characters rarely confirm the end of their own comms channels (like "Acknowledged. Riker, out." which he'd say sometimes).
i say that because i love imagining Lorca and the rest of the bridge crew hearing Culber say, "I love you" and for a split second thinking it was for Lorca, like in Airplane.
Reroute power to the fidget spinners! 😳😬😰😲
Spooling up the FTL Fidgitspinner Drive. ROFL.
I can't wait to see Discovery attempt the Adama Maneuver, lol.
Zarcondeegrissom IKR FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT. Spore drive is just a discount ftl from Battlestar Galactica only in the process it forgot to be cool
@@GemenonLiner Nah it is cool
I have a modded version
And my elites say its awesome
Some one call Daniel’s we have some one from 2016
Say what you will about Discovery, that "multiple jump manoeuvre" at 1:10 is soooo good!
Literally goku's instant transmission
That spin would tear off the nacelles and primary hull in seconds in the canon Trekverse. Which this isn't.
@@chrismaguire3667 To me it's an effect meant to signify the interdimensional jump, not a literal spin. Like how TNG phaser fire can singe holes into a body without having it collapse or the organs falling out as it disintegrates. My guess is that it's meant to represent the ship as a poly-dimensional solid, kinda like how graphic renderings of a tesseract show 2 cubes "moving through" each other.
@@LoopSauce9 that would make sense!
no ,the ship is literally spinning
Man if I had a dollar for all the negativity in these comments I could make a new Star Trek series.
*2* ! new series. you dont need to pay writers for the new trek
Why don't you say something positive?
And it would still be better than this shit
Only because it’s objectively shit.
Honestly, you'd probably make a better show.
Why do the Klingons look like the JemHadar
They look like what you'd expect to find in the Jem'Hadar toilet...
they don't?
Because the powers that be thought it would be a good idea to update their look to.....whatever the hell this is.......
We don't talk about it.
I heard they got redesigned because of copyrights.
why wouldn't they make the sensor quiet with no light!
because then it wouldn't be noisy and flashy which is Discovery's motto surely? :P
Disney Star Wars is trash
Because they were not created for stealth?
@@redcardinalist Its called discover-y not hide-y
The never did explain why they needed to do all these jumps to figure out the cloaking frequency of the Klingon ship... makes no sense
Jumping was to keep the Klingons occupied while the infiltrator learned of the frequencies of the... did you even WATCH the episode!? FFS!
@@volgawolfhounds741 yes I did I saw the whole 1st season... they just never explained why they did the jumping beyond " show them what the Discovery is capable of"
Im pretty sure it was something to do with getting the sensors to map the Klingon ship from as many angles as possible.
Because they hoped we’d be so awes by the special effects we wouldn’t notice how garbage ST Discovery is.
They did. It was a ruse for Mirror Lorca to find his way home.
Biggest problem with this show is the lack of compelling action. You're supposed to be at war with the Klingons, but 90% of it is spent talking in your room, the tiny mess hall, or the engineering bay about personal issues to drive the plot. You can pretty much watch the first 3 episodes, the last 3 episodes, and that's it. Old trek had its issues, specifically DS9, but at least it's characters felt like real people. Quark has a bigger personality than the entire galaxy in discovery, COMBINED.
I disagree with you one 100% of what you just said. Discovery is the best Star Trek series since DS9. (Which was my favourite.) :)
@@keithdunn521 Well, that's just like, your opinion man.
@@keithdunn521 this is perfect space shooter, just poor Star Trek.
People who complain about Discovery being "woke" have obviously never actually watched Star Trek. It's been the "wokest" show since the 60s.
Nuh uh
@@dividius8004 dude ... every iteration of star trek has been woke for when it was made, example TOS was made 1966-69 and Nyota Uhura was a black female the equal rights amendment didn't get ratified until 1973 and they got a crap ton of hate for making a "un-pure" show because she was able to intermingle with white crew members
@@David-jt9ntNuh uh
The ERA didn't get ratified, at least not in 1973.
A 38th state didn't ratify it until it was too late.
The word you're looking for is "Progressive," not "Woke." There is a massive difference.
Previous shows were progressive and egalitarian in their approach to things. The best of the best rose to the top without prejudice or favoritism.
This show is woke. It simply checks boxes in an effort to virtue signal.
Good. I managed to sneek onto this enemy ship. UPLINK TO DISCOVERY ESTABLISHED!!!!!
This show would make more sense if it handled Discovery and it's crew as if they were all part of Section 31 ... from the future, and they were using the spore drive to FIX the time stream of the past. It would then explain all the uniform changes from the TV shows and the movies, all the Klingon mess happening in this version of Star Trek and anything else they aren't keeping to canon. Their greatest enemy in this series would then be the Section 31 from the Mirror Universe who are the ones secretly making the time stream changes in order to try and make this universe exactly like the one they come from.
SIGH, soooooo much potential ... wasted.
ANYTHING would make more sense than whatever...this is. It's a real shame, since they have the budget and special effects that other Star Treks could have really benefited from and instead they waste it on melodramatic characters who look and act like something out whatever teen drama is currently on
@@jaymartin8273 basically same thing that happened to the Stargate franchise...sigh
Yep basically sadly :=(
@@Milleniumlance soo much wasted potential like the silver that was dumped in the ocean
Magical fungus spores for instant teleportation, seriously? Come on, please!
Do you understand that Syfy stands for science fiction? Fiction being Paramount in that equation
@@roygamon9535 this is science fantasy.
Sci-fi at least have some basis in science. This is sloping toward midichloriams level of bullshit.
This is why The Expanse is the Star Trek of our era. Star Trek's only selling point is social justice now.
@@Lancaster604 Its possible that this is what Q used to travel. In any case, star trek is more like Numenera than the expanse (its science fantasy).
yes and?
@@NippyNep And? Five years after...
these Klingons look like the Babylon 5 Drazi.
I am purple!
Look in the reflection around 3:15 --> his hair looks different, assuming that's the mirror stamets? Or it's just coincedence and shot in different scenes
Nice to know they still have digoxin in the future lol
I’m a LONG time trekkie and I liked Discovery because it was different! Why not a spore drive? We’ve had crystalline entities, borg, the Q, etc………and an engine is an issue? It was violent, gripping, that first season kept your head spinning! Was it perfect? Nope! But bravo for taking chances and trying something new! This is NOT your pappys shatner!
Any other drive, like the slipstream drive, transwarp drive etc would of been absolutely fine but the Spore drive literally teleports the ship to anywhere in the universe. Like they even make it so the spore drive can transport other ships with it. By this effect, it makes travelling from A to B seem pointless(which most plot of all star trek is derived from the travelling from A to B). Like last season of Disc that they get a massive head start but end up short anyway? Like what?
Great show. I cant wait for season 2.
It's on S6 now. How come?
could they not have made the sensors a little more...covert? instead of something the size of a bowling ball plastered with the Federation logo, and glowing like a christmas tree, maybe something a little more subtle?
Steampunk Trek?
I actually really enjoyed this show. The pacing, visuals, and themes were unlike anything I’ve seen in any Trek series before. I thought it started to fall apart toward the end of the season, but all in all, a welcome addition to the mythology, even if it didn’t FEEL like Trek a lot of the time.
@2:35
just noticed the TOS Heartbeat sound
Ok in all fairness If this show was based in the future beyond anything that’s been covered (before Picard released of course) and the spore Drive was a new technology this would be so much cooler, just gotta fix all the mis continuities
I have noticed that the Federation crews on this show lack A LOT of professionalism and discipline.
Scientists not navy Remember is is also Pre OS Star Trek. Discovery was even more a Science Vessel then the Constitution Classes were. It was a Armed Science Lab
@scotthartman8993 still no excuse, honestly. In any case, they operate within a military-type structure. In freaking space. Scientist, military, or lunch lady, their actions are awful.
I feel like it got worse once Lorca was written out, but it also makes me wish they had found Prime Lorca. It'd be funny if both the Prime and Mirror versions were equally just as strict on discipline.
LET’S GIVE EM A LITTLE TASTE OF WHAT DISCOVERY IS CAPABLE OF!
Wow...Star trek has fallen low since Voyager, and I didn't think that was possible.
"If 130 jumps is what it takes it's gonna be 130 jumps"
Great show, can't wait for season 2.
Usually I see stuff like that coming early but Lorca was one of those clever disguised villains that took me by total surprise.
'sigh', yeah sorry but lines like that really make it clear to me that D.C. Fontana is not writing their dialogue, anymore.
This is called a Goku-type ship.
AS A THIRTY YEAR STAR TREK FAN I THINK THIS SCENE IS WELL DONE. BUT THE SHOW DOS HAVE MANY PROBLEMS.
how did we get from In the pale moonlight and Far beyond the stars to this shit
Cant wait for season 2!!
Julian Styles nope
Exactly. I can't because i don't want to watch this trash.
@@rageagaintstheNWO you mean you can?
20 Seconds in and those goddamn Lensflares already give me a headache.
What I don't understand is the fact that before they could do long jumps by using a navigator, they could do successful small jumps without one, so why didn't they just do the 130 jumps without Stamets being the navigator for the jumps?
They have to be pinpoint accurate to take the readings they need.
why are they attacking a church?
dogleg Bcuz religion is bad
The church attacked them first.
This is an insult to human beings with dimensional jump abilities.
The only thing that really bothers me here with this newer series is the reimagined Klingons. Why couldn't they just do a very subtle change like was done in Star Trek Into Darkness or just leave them as they were?
Because of the CBS Empire threat...
why do they need the sensors, the klingon ship doesn't even move
Target last known weapons impact position, Triangulate all Weapons fire on Weapon impacts , open fire
Seriously, these klingons cloak, then stay still, what's the point?
I'm also confused why the hell they need jump so many times just to locate a stationary target
Last i watched they needed to jump that many times to get the cloaking frequency for klingon ships so they can counter them when aggressing klingon vessels cloak while attacking
So I'm actually a fan of the show but I can honestly say I'm not impressed with the ending of season 1. I know it's not the star trek way but I wanted to see an all out war with the klingons..
Season 2 definitely got better then 1. Still not fantastic but its getting better. You could say that all trek series were that way. Season 2 kinda wrapped up enough stuff to stabilize continuity.
@@amaris27 Season three was hold back by: Spoiler follows.
Terran Giourgou, never seen such a boring adult baby. Thank god she is gone.
Finally, using a real drug for a real purpose
Do the klingon ships not have intruder alert sensors?
But the large blue light sensor isnt a give away
its a grave ship not meant to be a front-line warship so no intruder alarms because it was believed that it would never be seen by anyone other than Klingons and no Klingon would want to go to Gre'Thor or the Klingon's version of hell
Still want to know where the mushroom tech went for TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and every Star Trek movie. The ability to instantly travel anywhere sure would've made things a lot simpler for StarFleet.
Also, if the writers conveniently destroy the space shrooms during the show, then the shrooms were just a dumb gimmick for a show that just -had- to reinvent everything for this damn prequel.
They shelved the technology because of the toll it takes on an operator. In the ST future, Starfleet ethics trump capability anywhere outside of Section 13.
The same place as the Excelsior's transwarp drive, the subspace transporter, the Soliton wave, the Elway theorem, and other concepts that either failed or deemed too risky -- especially the spore drive that needs a living host to operate it, and ethically unsound as it requires genetic modification of the crew or imprisoning sentient species.
Stop making sense, you're making it hard for me to rant about...nothing :)
Just think what VOY would be like with this tech lol. Where 75 thousand light years away annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Where home.
I feel like they're going to use time travel to make the entire series a big "JUST KIDDING, WASN'T THAT FUN?"
One thing that iffed me highly on Discovery, all the seasons is the weapons fire. Everyone using pulsed phasers like its Star Wars, like wtf. During pre-ToS pulsed phasers was phased out for the Phaser beam turrets after Ent so what are we watching? Like if we wanted laser pew pew we go watch Star wars man
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS.
No wonder the ship is squashed and flat, like a super annoying bug.
USS Rumpranger with magic mushroom drive......
So the Spore jump is like how they travel in the Dune universe ? where the navigators need the SPICE as a drug induced space/time travel... And this is 10 years Pre 1966 Star Trek? How come the universe got stuck with Warp?
Discovery is the only ship with functional spore drive and at the end of serie two, Discovery was lost in time wormhole. The research was cancelled and all is classified. A similar situation is in TNG with phase cloak.
So Discovery is run on mushrooms?🤔
Don't like it? Write your own. Jeez.
Then CBS well take you to court for making something better.
I'm so glad Roddenberry isn't alive to see this crap.
He would be overwhelmed with joy
Justin Burton Chill. Dude was just expressing his opinion on the show
@@tmod231 an idiot opinion needs yo be called out. Anyone who doesnt see that Trek needed to change and be updated are idiots. All first seasons of Trek start out rough. Discovery tried. If they wanted to be lazy they would have done no Orivlle crap. Random recycled stories that been done before. Instead of making good looking sets, great graphics, detailed uniforms. More complicated makes up for Aliens. But these damn idiots dont want quality. But rather have wood sets and 60s qaulity sweater uniforms.
Julian Styles I’d rather have a good story than quality visuals. That’s what made the classic series so great. Sure this show is visually great. But the story lacks
@@tmod231 like I said. All first seasons of Trek are terrible. Critically this is the best first Trek season.
These are an insult to the real Klingons
Simon Willis just like TNG Klingons insulted TOS Klingons?
This is an insult to the real Star Trek, to be honest. I think this and the Orville got switched at birth or something. Then again, I suppose there's ample reason why it's called 'STD'...
VulpisFoxfire you are one dumb fuck
Simon Willis Actually, these Klingons are just as real. They are a certain sect that (conveniently) were not shown in the many previous shows, past or future canon, but there is a lot of history and politics behind that. They are few in number, but their DNA is one of the purest, as they probably avoided the augment virus that made the majority of Klingons look human for a century. They gained political power because of this, as purity and honor is powerful in Klingon Empire politics. And after Discovery Season 1, they lost the war and power and became a minority once again. The Klingons of ENT/TNG/DS9 are the majority of the Klingon race, but they are human looking in Discovery/TOS and therefore are using cosmetic surgery or just staying home while these darker guys are in charge of the Empire. It is like how humans have Caucasians, Asians, Africans, etc. Insulting Discovery's Klingons just because they are different is kind of racist.
Andorians are another good example of a species with subspecies. Some are blue, and some are white. They are both Andorian.
As for how the majority of Discovery used subtitles instead of automatic translation, I think it is more authentic. If you think about it, every Star Trek episode/movie/series with ANY alien race has universal translators working 24/7. Sometimes they don't work, but it is for everyone's convenience. They almost never know English after all.
Guess what Star Trek Is not real get the fuck over it
Star trek discovery=No passion, bad acting, bad scripts,horrible looking klingons, and stupid characters,and a spores jump drive??🤣
And don’t forget homosexuality being shoved down our throats. Same as almost every piece of media nowadays.
Why did Discovery have to jump so many times after the Klingon vessel clocked? The Discovery clearly knew where the ship was so why didn't they just fire?
They had to jump around the Klingon ship to break the cloak. Besides that, there were still crew members of the Discovery on board the Klingon ship. And even if they knew where the ship was, they probably couldn’t lock on because it was cloaked.
Real starfleet would never approved the spore drive
Seriously, they back off of going faster than warp 5 without dire need because of the harmful effects it had on subspace, they would definitely hard pass on spore drive.
Shot, voyager didn't even fly for that shot when they found the equinox, and they were desperate
It is war time
Travel by mushroom. Is this the silliest science fiction concept in all of science fiction?
I mean, I like mushrooms. Mushrooms are excellent in Pasta Sauce
I like them too. Never known one that jumped me across the galaxy, though.
Graham Kennedy no its based on string theory and things in space you dont understand.
No man, it's based on Mushroom theory and things in space that are utter bullshit. Another creative decision bungled by the Discovery team.
Come to think of it, I don't know of a creative decision this show got right. Not one.
Graham Kennedy they broke it down for you. No different than folding space onto each other to connect two points and then unfolding it. Or Bio space in Voyager. Science is discovering new things every day. Its your opinion but I liked a lot of the show. Only part of the show that disappointed me was the finale.
CBS fu-ked all of us. - this is no original time line. Even if they tried to fix it at the end. Luckily Leslie Moonves is out.. That might help. In case some one does not know. Leslie Moonves hated Star Trek.
This should have been put on the network. It looks like a network tv drama.
Two men telling each other I love you while in battle? A blue spinning light on a secret device on board an enemy ship. A ship that spins while navigated by a man connected to what appears to be an IV? Is this really what you consider excellence in script writing and story content America?
This is a rip off of the game Tardigrades which was released on Steam Greenlight in 2014. Let's see how the courts feel about this scale of plagiarism.
Why do the Klingons sounds like Indians?
How?
discover need a nerf a shipe that can teleport out of thin airs
I can't even imagine some Admiral approving this ship for construction, except as a small experimental craft. What happens if this guy dies under the strain?
Hammond A human wasn't the original power source. The engine was experimental. Long story, you need to watch the season to get the whole story.
basically, 2 of these ships were made, the USS Discovery and the other was USS Glenn and they were both trying to get the spore drive working using very different methods but for more detail watch the show
Well we had TOS, TNG, DS9, Voy and ENT ........ Now fittingly we have STD
Go see Doc McCoy soon...😉
I tried this in a roblox star trek game i died more times then i could fire torpedoes it took my another Person to take down the ship of the dead
Don't care about the negativity, those spore jumps are still epic!
Imo, the seasons when TNG and DS9 converged
were the best in star trek.
some might think different, but the new series is too much like that jj abrams stuff
nice for popcorn but no real 'trek' if you know what I mean.
Facts
just leave the poor klingons alone. they get their anatomy rearranged every time there is a new series. stick with either something out of buck rogers, or TNG, but this is too far over the top. maybe this is an alternate reality? i haven't watched the series, just seen clips on youtube, but it looks interesting. but make sure the story is the heart of it all and not the special effects. i am an original series person, with them from the very first season. i want a GOOD star trek series .
What I want to know is why the Humans still look the way they did in the 60s. Discovery is supposed to be modern! Next season, give all the humans tentacles coming out of their eyes and five arses each. Then it will be properly modern and everyone will love it.
dcb4357 hiitsme just had hair and the redesign is not only fine its great!
Wait...these are supposed to be the *Klingons*?? I thought they were supposed to be Remans or something.
cough cough augment virus cough.
:)
Hs2(équation/équation)
i have learn how to endure Klingon-ese.. haha
Not me. I hate those parts. Boring 😖
tlhIngan maH taHjaj! Ha' Sechvam qeng!
P'taQ!
I absolutely love Discovery. This scene was so wickedly cool. Let the haters hate.
Thank god you are in the minority
The fall and fall of this franchise
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this drivel is some of the poorest TV produced. This makes the older Enterprise TV series look like a masterpiece. I have travelled through space on mushrooms but that was the 60's. Don't keep broadcasting!!
The Picard Manoeuvre
Nothing like...
Not Star Trek
I hate CBS. You don’t monopolize such a show so that either you pay for membership or pay for Blu-ray.
Not only are the designs of the ship aesthetically painful to look at, but the spore drive animation looks silly. Not to mention whatever the fuck those Klingons are supposed to be.
The fact this garbage is masquerading as prime universe lore just makes it all the more worse.
Two words: "SPORE DRIVE".
No, thanks.
Goos show
as shit as this series is the sure nailed the sound effects. reminds me of star fleet command 2
I judged too harshly on the pretense of having watched the other shows. While it's certainly not a great show in my eyes, neither my cup of tea, I was too quick to judge it before watching. Truthfully, the show is interesting enough to hold attention, and the writing is average at best- nowhere near as bad as people claimed it to be.
As an old DW fan, take it from me- in Star Trek's case, you haven't seen bad writing at all. Not even close.
This is a cool scifi show. Its just... not star trek.
Craig Perkey or sci-fi
Science fantasy.
There's a whole bunch of shitposting comments on literally every single Discovery (here's a tip, don't watch them) video by people who also think Enterprise was a good show. news flash, it wasn't and Trek fans hated it when it came out for retconning, continuity and some truly terrible acting. When Voyager came out, they screamed and wailed because of it's "Feminist Agenda", When DS9 came out, they cried it was just a rip off of Babylon 5. The first season of TNG is by and large, terrible. it hasn't aged well at all. It's so 80's, there's a therapist sitting next to the Captain. TOS was cancelled after three seasons. Perhaps the point is the "True Trek" fans have no idea what they are "True Fans" of. Is it the animated series? Comic Books? or do you just like sitting in your underpants, flying a model of the Enterprise around your head and saying "make it so" while your Mom brings more hot pockets?
.... you have to open up the communicator to use the universal translator? Fuck man Kelvin had the sense enough to explain they are built into the uniforms. Why the fuck would you backtrack the tech and make everything more nonsensical? It’s like the midichlorian thing all over.
I just don't even know. I think I would have liked this show more if it was set after voyager by a good 100 years. At least the ships sizes and advanced technology for the time period would make more sense. But NOOO! We got these advanced ships running around the same universe where people on Star Fleets flag ship are doing reports on ******* SHEETS OF PAPER! PAPPPPPER! (The Cage) Now we got Klingons that have cloaked YOLO ram ships and killer fidget spinners....please, just stop it!
The drive to find new ways for FTL travel make sense in that era too, because of the damage to subspace done by warp drives that discussed in TNG.
96 jumps? why? why not just do it in 1 and then open fire on the coordinate the sensor gives you?
They did the jumps to get the cloaking frequency of the ships for starfleet to counter the klingons
The sarcophagus wasnt the only Klingon ship with cloaking capability. Every ship owned by a house that worshipped the house of K'or had cloaking capabilities, and so calculating the cloaking frequency of the sarcophagus would be a winning move for the Federation.
just god awe full trek
Trust me, it gets good by season 3.
Robert Maheu Yeah, the show is Awe some!
Wow... That was... Really dull. Ship to ship battles were more engaging when it was just the actors lurching about the set. Those weak pew pew lasers and that flippy jump were terrible.
Andrew Whitworth Discovery was firing torpedoes, not laser
i'm wondering...cloaking doesn't mean you teleport places....couldn't you just keep firing in the same spot?
I think after this stammets fell to the floor
Yea he basically went into a coma
Klingons looks now super bad hahaha watching starship fighting like that is like goku of dragon ball xD
Why did they have to jump in this scene I don’t get it
To calculate how to see through the Klingons Cloaking field.
uuuuuummm does no one hears those sy-fy noises at all!?!?!?!
Or the speaker that's talking in another language?
Nice fan film.
Even the sound effects are horrible. Sounds like a cartoon for a 5 year old. Horrible wiring, horrible everything. I came here out of morbid curiosity, and i regret it. Guys, we can forget about the Star Trek we all know and love, it’s not going to happen again. All we have is this...this...🤮
2:13
So much salt over Discovery. It's like people think it's not authentic Trek unless we spend half the episode in meeting rooms and combat consists of people frantically punching at control panels while shouting about shield percentages and random technobabble. Oh yeah, while cutting occasionally to the B plot where someone is gadding about in the Holodeck. There is a lot about the older series that blew. I'm glad to see something new and exciting.
Meh its too dark for me, st should be light and hopefull. :D
Its a fun series, but they changed couple of things where this wasnt necessary. Like klingon apprearances.
Agreeable good sir, most agreeable
My gripes isn't the fact that it's new but rather its suppose to be old when it's not. Hardcore fans would find a lot of continuity issues line the spore drive, the renewed conflict with the Klingons (how many times are they gonna poke that dead horse?), the klingons themselves, this whole series is suppose to be pre STO on the timeline but pays little to no homage to the original series. I would mention its use to promote personal political views but I tend to ignore shit like that, however that belongs in a talkshow.
I haven't even seen it yet, but I'm willing to give it a shot, and I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm not really a big trekkie, and just started watching all of the series on Netflix a couple years ago, and I enjoy all of them (The original, TNG, DS9, and Voyager, haven't tried Enterprise yet) but I also liked the reboot trilogy, which is how I was introduced to Star trek, which is completely different from all of the series, and original movies. I grew up with Star Wars and just didn't get Star Trek as a kid and thought they looked ridiculous, but as I got older, I became more interested in the creative scenarios of encountering different types of lifeforms. I can enjoy different takes on the Star trek universe, instead of being close minded, and refusing to even try to enjoy a new series just because it is different, and not what you wanted. If it is bad, that's fine, but give it a chance, and don't expect it to be exactly the same as the older series.
Yeah holodeck episodes and time travel episodes were the lazy writers’ go-to
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You know the new Enterprise and that is kind of nice but I really love the old one like Enterprise D and the old Enterprise the first one ever made they were the best but I would like to Star Trek to have more battles to protect themselves no engine failures are my work speed this internet offline just attack and go for it and bait the aliens whatever the hell you're fighting cuz it makes you feel kind of boring when you have to oh my engine is offline my Force feels down to 60% oh my God make them the Top Guns of the Star Trek Enterprise no one destroys the Enterprise at all change the way of this thinking cuz the new the ones you have right now the new ones with a digital thing is not no good I don't like it it's not like back then when you used to when they had to push buttons and stuff like that and on screen and everything that's fine but the Enterprise D and the Enterprise the first one ever made I love those seasons don't make them too advanced because it's going to be kind of boring I like when they're going to battle the Enterprise always has to come up front and always succeed and be the winner always please respond to this thing and tell me what you think about it
The fuck did I just watch?
Great actors, crap story, bs tech. Star Trek: the series about the future that can't get out of its own past...
What a brilliant premise that show’s spore drive used to be (and visually stunning to say the least), but man has Discovery ruined that opportunity with way too much haste, way too much emotion and way too much cultural relevance lecturing.
Everyone besides Lorca is portrayed as either a fresh-off-the-academy-toddler with emotional outburst disorders, a know-it-all hotshot or as a completely inept quota hire.
But hey, one day we might be able to feed that entire show into a benevolent AI that replaces all that garbage segments with timeless storytelling once again.