I dunno if I'd call it the most epic space battle to date but it's certainly one of the most well-made space battles. A nice balance of tension, classic Star Trek bridge commands and attractive (albeit relatively low budget) CGI.
The battle with the reliant is the best. Mostly because of the music the escalation, the way it shows Kahn gaining the advantage and with the back and forth before the reliant fires, etc. It might not be the biggest nor flashiest but it’s still good.
Ive seen more epic battle in DS9 with better (or lets say photorealistic) CGI which i dont get how more than 25 years old series could look morealistic. But hey..here we are
I'm not a Star Trek fan but this looks like a major major development of Federation History. Looks like the Federation took a nice beating but held their own.
The Orville did it better - console on fire, "where is the fire suppression system" "That's the bit that's on fire"..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 If you are going to make it silly (why would the consoles explode anyway - I bet it all runs on fibre optics or 5V) you might as well make it funny....
What I never understand about Trek is that when they say shields are on or they’re holding or at a certain percentage the subsequent footage shows phaser fire hitting the hulls and exploding parts of the ship 😂
Because this is shit. Look for older Stark Trek - next generation, DS9 or Voyager. There are shield like you imagine them. I have no idea why they changed buble shield aroud ship to some.. shit copying hull - thats in star wars..
@@agamemnonn1 Thats good point. But only valid here. In original star trek that was not case - nothing got throutg. But there was still damage like youj are saying.
@@AjdamusMagnus Star wars has bubble shields.. they're just operated by multiple shield generators to create overlapping, smaller, bubbles that end up fitting the shape more closely.
@@natedaniels3655 Now they do, before it? Not so much; Check phantom.menace, Naboo fighter at Lucrehulk getting shit fromdl droid. Shield is copying hull.
Perhaps if they hadn’t of disrespected Star Trek lore by (very poorly) redesigning the iconic Klingons, there wouldn’t have been as much hate. Truly one of the worst and most unnecessary mistakes. Imagine if Darth Vader was redesigned.
@@agamemnonn1that not true honestly why do discovery fans use the same poor excuses and blame people for telling the truth. You and anyone who uses this excuse are not fans and have no logical argument to use orther than this accusing people of being racist, sexist and bigots for what bad writing it shows you don't know what star trek means and teaches and inspires people to achieve and it's truly sad
My biggest question throughout this entire series was: Where are the phasers? Like its what seperates Star trek from star wars weaponry. These guys shooting lasers at one another but that era already had phaser tech(as seen in strange new worlds and st: ent) so we turning this into a Star wars show with star trek sprinkled on? :/
@@hodorfashodor2947 No it definetely has not. Even Star Trek Fist Contac thas better CGI and thats more than 20 years old. I just rewatched DS9 and Voygager and Discovery is like shit. Like cinematic from old games. No photorealism. I dont get how someone can get such non reaslitci CGI with modern CGI. It is disgrace. Rewatch DS9. Check Defiant. That ship LOOKS LIKE IS IT THERE. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT IN DISCOVERY. If you say so - time to visit yor eye doctor or there is smth with your monitor.
Honestly my only issue was that if Burnham could destroy that ship, there probably wouldn't be so many losses. Klingons only know war. If you beat them at their own game, they will learn to respect and hold off on attacking
So silly dude, just so silly. hAHAHA Fools weren't even at battlestations when the attack started hahaha If shields are holding at 100% how tf do you have hull breaches?
Oh please…don’t be so over dramatic. It went 5 seasons because there was enough viewership. It wasn’t want we hoped for, but there was some good stuff here.
@@style0vertalent191god sci fi fans are so whiny. They complain anytime anything changes, people whined so hard about the changes in TNG, and now it’s universally beloved. I don’t think discovery is that good but it’s hardly the worst thing to ever happen to the franchise. I remember Star Trek 5, Star Trek 7, and Star Trek 9
@@About37Hobos God I'm so tired of hearing the same bullshit over and over again. I am not whiny because I criticize products of a franchise. I'm not exaggerating when saying Discovery is one of the - if not THE - worst AAA-Series I've ever seen and I've probably watched more already than you ever will. I also don't care what people thought about TNG at first or later. It's pretty simple - the first season was, is and will always be garbage because especially Picard, but also the others, behave like garbage and it's overall nonsense. Then they've realized that, it was changed and the show became pretty good for the time. Agree with that or not, that's the facts to it. Like the first season, don't like the rest - fine, whatever, I don't care but facts stay facts. Personally I don't like the series because it's too old and everythings still a bit weird but that's me. I would never say it was bad because I don't like it for these reasons. Also I can't believe someone would put the 5th, 7th and especially the 9th movie below Discovery...or anything, ever. Saying that is basically so absurd that I think you're trolling because my brain won't accept it as a fact that someone could think that way. That's like saying 'man, that literal piece of shit tastes better than a menu in the best restaurant in the world'. I mean 5 wasn't a good movie, 7 was somewhat okay and 9 was a good movie because of what the cast had established in the franchise until then. Other than that, 9 was pretty mediocre also, judging objectively. Even watching Star Trek 1 AND 5 for a 1000 times is better than having to endure a single minute of Discovery. That's the extent of a shitshow it is. I could easily rant for hours and hours about every episode and sometimes probably about almost every scene of an episode and that would STILL only be based on facts that just exist in the business. Normally I even watch bad stuff from franchises I care about several times to REALLY make up my mind and discuss in-depth. It's literally impossible with Discovery. I can't even force myself to do it. Now that's that. There are many things in life that are up to taste and personal preferences. The quality of Discovery is none of those things, sorry.
Some of the comments here, lol. People still upset they didn’t get their shot-for-shot remake of The (Slow) Motion Picture with 70s era sets and effects.
I only saw some of season one . I refuse to pay CBS for their +++. I do know that I got tired of listen to Klingon's talk. I don't want to read subtitles.
What I've heard mostly is that "Discovery" was to much like a Opera of the Valkyries, very little actual Star Trek leadership and social meanings content. When they say, "It isn't over 'til the fat lady sings..." what do you think that means to you? It means unending theater with warriors yelling raising swords and then more scenes and then another one, and finally you can wake up because we all see the fat lady is singing so it's finally over? Based on that description, "Discovery" was not directed well by comparison to others in the Star Trek franchise, and you can not expect production success all reliant upon the Actors. This isn't to say there aren't some good scenes and great acting moments, but over-all the directing in this project was not as successful as I'm sure was wanted. I've heard a lot saying the casting was not great, but again my experience in ten years of small screen TV producing, is that it is directing that is center point to this problem. Yet, it is more about understanding what a specific Director needs, that is the operative question and it is not all on those shoulders alone. It is a Production Company.
I haven't seen all of s2 and none of s3 but s1 was phenomenal and what I saw of s2 was great too. Trekkies are just bitter over it for silly reasons, IMO. I mean, maybe it's because I've always been a bigger fan of Star Wars than Star Trek but yeah, Discovery is my absolute favorite Star Trek content so far.
@@jakobfel2 Yeah, lots of people are really bitter about this show. A little *too* bitter in ways that I don't get. A bit like Star Wars fans who are the same way about the new movies. Possibly because in both cases, they're different from what they're used to. And they have to change to survive, and appeal to new audiences that aren't the rusted-on die hards who just want more of the old stuff back. To those people, I say this: Go back to the old stuff, no one has stolen it from you, it's still there. Let us enjoy stuff we like, ok?
@@jakobfel2 I think Disco has a ton of flaws, which is why I eventually tapped out and gave up after season 2. That being said, the criticisms people have of Disco being "too political" or too "SJW" are some of the dumbest things i've ever heard in my life. Star Trek from day 1 has always been political. The only difference is obviously Trump lovers are colossal snowflakes who can't handle even the smallest criticisms of him
@@skippythealien9627 I'm a Trump supporter and I never felt targeted. What's more is I also disagree with the idea that Star Trek (including Discovery) has ever been political. People look for negativity anywhere they can.
@@KalEl7802 and to this day i have no idea how... too many star trek fanboys will shovel shit into their mouths so long as its in the bastardized shape of the enterprise i guess...
Semi-epic battle. Terrible show. Bad acting. Bad writing. numerous uncessary changes to canon. Casting based on what diversity square would be filled and not on talent.
I remember falling asleep and waking up when things settled up so dunno man, it's not all about CGI, it's also about the character's attachment, and here I had zero attachment, it was like watching some factions fighting each other before Picard showed up lol. Plus they copied a lot from Star Trek Enterprise's ultimate battle against the Xindi which was really epic!
I thought Picard s3 was real trek, until i rewatched a clip of TNG and DS9 then i remembered what trek is. Picard s3 is big improvement compared to STD tho no doubt.
@@agamemnonn1clearly something that you have not seen and need to but from all the comments of you attacking people who say anything accept it the greatest ever means that you don't have a clue what star trek is or means. And that you never seen anything besides discovery and probably not even that. All your response is the text book discovery fans responses. Before you say anything star trek literally saved my life and I own it a debt that I can never repay. I have seen every single episode of every series I've seen every single movie read almost every book and played every game and can objectively point out the good and the bad and respect people's opinions and I believe in everything that star trek teaches. Now no one is perfect but if you need him to define what star trek is you need to learn what it is and teaches. Discovery fans like you cry victim but they are And your comments have shown it that you and the disco trekkers and the toxic fans and are one of the biggest reasons that the fans are divided and it is disgusting and you need to stop being more accepting and respectful and treat everyone with the same respect as you want and stop attacking for different opinions you are not a trek fan and I offer you who a chance on a live stream to prove me wrong and if you won't accept it then you proved me right
The Klingons have evolved to become the Lizard people thanks to the Samaritan archeology & AA-Erich von Däniken teachings. Why else would they suddenly start wearing feathers?.
I liked the Klingon story line in the Discovery series. I thought it was great, & It was well written about the Tyler/Voq story & how he fell in love Michael Burnham & how L'rell put Voq inside Tyler & he was unaware of what she did to him & he was seeing glimpses of what she did to him The surgery procedure that was Tormenting him. He thought it was torture that he was remembering but it wasn't. He was slowly remembering the surgery that L'rell had done on him. I felt so sorry for him.. He was so in love Michael & losing her because of what was going through his mind & the HELL from the memories of what he went through.
@@paulacurtis1874 It is a decent setup, but it was badly executed. For starters, the flashbacks were very confused and mostly involved Tyler screaming so they really weren't very informative. Secondly, I imagine it would've worked much better if they had condensed it into one episode. I'm not an established writer but I'll try to give you an example. (Edit: Also inclosing some criticism of the modern media below xD I got a bit carried away.) While on the edge of Klingon territory, the Discovery picks up a distress call from a Klingon shuttle. Puzzled, they fly into Klingon space to investigate and find Tyler running away from a Klingon Bird of Prey in the stolen shuttle. The Discovery makes the ship back off and beams Tyler to sick bay. They also take the shuttle to examine its technology which would give the Federation an edge in the war. There they treat Tyler's injuries and when he gets better he tells them that he was being held and tortured on the Bird of Prey and that he managed to escape by killing the guards and stealing a shuttle. As Tyler has nowhere to go at the moment, they let him stay on Discovery. Tyler and Burnham, possibly because of guilt that she started a war that caused Tyler to suffer so much, or possibly because of Tyler's good looks, get rather close. However, Burnham starts to notice some oddities in his behaviour. One minute he's calm and relaxed, next thing you know he's getting very annoyed about something without a good explanation. A few days later an argument breaks out in the mess hall. It turns into a fight and the security finds Tyler fighting with Klingon-like ferocity and skill. He is confined to quarters for the time being while the others ponder what's going on. Meanwhile, the chief engineer checks the shuttle Tyler escaped in. He finds it very curious that the shuttle didn't seem protected by any security codes that would prevent Tyler from escaping. The shuttle's computer seems obliging enough and he manages to discover some information about the shuttle. Among other things, he finds that Tyler was lucky that the shuttle was there, because the ship he was held on had two shuttle bays, one of which was empty at the time. If the shuttle Tyler escaped on was in the other bay, he would've had to walk much further and would probably have died along the way. He also discovers that the shuttle's atmosphere had slightly less oxygen than Klingons usually require and closer to human level (22% instead of 25%, for example). The final straw comes, when he returns the next day and tells the ship's computer to turn the lights on, and the shuttle's computer responds as well. A Klingon computer taking orders (in English, mind you) from a human seems most peculiar. It really looks like the Klingons wanted Tyler to escape. The Chief reports these suspicions to Lorca, who agrees that Tyler could be a spy and decides to search his quarters. Tyler, of course, protests - politely at first, but soon he becomes violent and has to be stunned. While he's unconscious, the doctor is given permission to take a closer look at his brain and discovers a chip that carries Voq's brainwave patterns, at which point the whole thing becomes apparent. Michael asks if it's possible to remove the chip, to which the doctor responds that he'd rather not risk it because it might damage something else. Michael succeeds in making it less powerful and when Tyler wakes up he seems to be much more peaceful (though moody at times). I think an episode like this would work much better than slowly dragging one simple story over an entire season. For one thing, it's manipulation. If you stop telling a story, people will still wonder how it ends. It makes the viewer invest hours upon hours of their time to find out, and in the end it really doesn't matter if the story is well-written. This of course is great for the producers because watchtime = money and they = lazy. They grab your attention with flashy lights and the promise of a good story, and when you don't get it in the first episode, they just say: "Hey, don't be impatient, it'll all clear up in the next one." And when it doesn't: "Okay, next one. I promise." And when they finally bring their mediocre story to an end, they say: "Oh, but before I end the story, they also found the USS Enterprise! Be sure to stick around and see what happened then!" This seems to be alarmingly common nowadays. TV Shows have become really long movies aired in several takes. Criticism also seems to be becoming a crime because a simple viewer obviously doesn't know anything about literature and what the writer wanted to express with their work. The thing is, what the viewer thinks of the movie/TV Show is actually vitally important. If I make you a soup and people find it too salty, it's not because you don't know anything about cooking. It's because there's too much salt in it. But more importantly, if I denied everything and called you stupid for not understanding the fine profession of cooking, you'd likely never accept soup from me again because you know I never considered the slightest possibility that I had made a mistake. The same should go for movies and TV shows. If it's bad, the author should be ready to lose the trust of the consumers. But, incredibly, they're not.
Agreed. I've always found them to be super overrated, even the old school variety. I dislike them for the same reason that I largely dislike the Mandalorians in Star Wars: they're just a bland warrior culture with the illusion of depth/complexity when in reality, it just boils down to "our 'honor' comes from violence".
This show finally ended the greatest debate in Star Trek. Which Star Trek show was the worst? For years many leaned toward DS9 as the worst ST show but others claimed that it was Enterprise and still others - sick, demented people - claimed that Voyager or TNG or TOS was the worst. Things change though....Star Trek Diversity was truly a dumpster fire and many claimed that it was physically impossible to make a show that was worse than Diversity but never underestimate the woke hipsters, pretentious woke hacks and shallow, virtue signaling narcissists that work for the company. Then they shocked the world by coming out with Picard....where our favorite Star Trek Captain is turned into a blundering and ineffectual buffoon who gets bossed around by various "POC birthing people".
DS9 and Enterprise are both amazing imo. DS9 usually gets picked for being the #1 fan favorite show, and Enterprise is my personal favorite of all the shows. I think TNG is probably the best made, but Enterprise really stuck with me. And what the fuck do you mean ”Star Trek Diversity??” If you are insinuating that Discovery is somehow bad for being Diverse, that is the biggest steaming pile of bullshit I’ve ever heard; Star Trek has tried to promote inclusivity and diversity as one of its #1 messages since TOS. Hell, just look at TOS. Episodes were banned all over for it being too progressive with its diversity at the time. It was one of Roddenberry’s strongest beliefs that we are stronger together, and Star Trek as a franchise is meant to show that to the extreme; Discovery continues this. Discovery and Picard are plagued with very poor writing, but the fact that they progressive just means they’re following the footsteps of every Trek show that came before them. I love that we finally got to see a nonbinary character exploring their identity and how the show explored concepts that are relevant to today’s younger generation, I like that we got to see an LGBT couple finally depicted. Simple moments of representation like that go a long way; for TOS, it was as simple as having Uhura and Sulu on the bridge and that was controversial. Also “Woke hipsters,” “POC birthing people.” Lmfao you sound insufferable. If THAT is your problem with these new shows, and good riddance if you’re not a fan anymore! My main problem with Disco is that it heavily ignored canon at times… But the diversity is great to see!
Typical discovery fan. Let's get this straight this is literally one of the worst space battles in all of science fiction. By labeling it the most epic space battle shows you have not seen Deep Space Nine who has done with not even close to the same budget more epic battles and should have been the perfect example for them to do and improve on but sadly failed.There are space battles in the animated shows star wars clone wars and rebels that put this to shame. I am a die hard trekkie and own my life to star trek because it saved me in a period of my life were I had nothing and no one and what discovery fans have done and the show to the franchise is a bad joke. Discovery has done nothing but self inflicted injury with bad writing, force relationships and un real stories were trek is supposed to give hope and inspiration the. Orginal series tng, ds9, Voyager and Enterprise has inspired advancement in everything and inspired people to do and try and build and bring it to reality and taught people to accept accountability for their actions and to treat everyone the same and respect people and their opinions. This or any new trek has not they can't even get the established races right. This is not me hateing on the show it is telling the truth and that is the problem with discovery fans and I proved it on more than one occasion majority of them not only say that they watch it but have never seen an episode which is wrong. But I challenge you and extend my hand to you or anyone who wants to take part in it friendly debate/discussion on trek I bet you won't take part in it and it's a shame I've seen every single episode and movie trek has made countless times played every game and read countless books and had my life saved and shaped by the franchise and I am a true star trek historian and expert and it's time for the creator and the franchise to give a true expert who can point out the good and the bad and who not only predicted the plot of every new trek but can give them a narrative that pushes the same things and agenda they want to be more natural and bring the spark back and if given a chance and opportunity to prove it will shock you and prove what I say.
Burnham is the number one villain in the first two episodes. She obviously gets out of jail somehow (🙄) and we have to look at her stupid arrogant mug some more.
If you tell a klingon that you come in peace, thats just asking for trouble. Peace is an insult to a warrior race.
I dunno if I'd call it the most epic space battle to date but it's certainly one of the most well-made space battles. A nice balance of tension, classic Star Trek bridge commands and attractive (albeit relatively low budget) CGI.
No, it's the most awesome and epic scene
The battle with the reliant is the best. Mostly because of the music the escalation, the way it shows Kahn gaining the advantage and with the back and forth before the reliant fires, etc. It might not be the biggest nor flashiest but it’s still good.
Ive seen more epic battle in DS9 with better (or lets say photorealistic) CGI which i dont get how more than 25 years old series could look morealistic. But hey..here we are
NO EXPLODIUM. Star Trek finally figured that starships don’t have rocks behind every wall and inside every panel.
The Dominion War had the most epic battles. The Federation fleet was greatly outmatched compared to the Klingon and Dominion counterparts.
I'm not a Star Trek fan but this looks like a major major development of Federation History. Looks like the Federation took a nice beating but held their own.
Bro Michell yeoh is being one of badass malay actress in this star trek series
1:48 we see this ship being repaired in the strange new worlds pilot in spacedock so I guess it survived
If I’m not wrong, that was a ship that starfleet secretly designed to fight, so it’s tougher than the other vessels
It also just might be another of its class. Would Seem weird if it took over an entire year to repair
@@scpguy1381 it could be repairing from another mission, but yeah probably it is other ship from the same class
Ops, Damage report!
Can't tell, damage report machine's damaged!
The Orville did it better - console on fire, "where is the fire suppression system"
"That's the bit that's on fire"..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 If you are going to make it silly (why would the consoles explode anyway - I bet it all runs on fibre optics or 5V) you might as well make it funny....
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I hate that the ship designs don’t match with the TOS aesthetic, but it’s a pretty great battle scene
The most epic space battle, this is a good one, but the most epic would be the wrath of khan .. 1v1
I'd say undiscovered country
"To Be or Not To Be ? That is the question Captain.
What I never understand about Trek is that when they say shields are on or they’re holding or at a certain percentage the subsequent footage shows phaser fire hitting the hulls and exploding parts of the ship 😂
Bleed through. Like how body armor can stop a bullet but still break the skin from the force of its impact. Same concept.
Because this is shit. Look for older Stark Trek - next generation, DS9 or Voyager. There are shield like you imagine them. I have no idea why they changed buble shield aroud ship to some.. shit copying hull - thats in star wars..
@@agamemnonn1 Thats good point. But only valid here. In original star trek that was not case - nothing got throutg. But there was still damage like youj are saying.
@@AjdamusMagnus Star wars has bubble shields.. they're just operated by multiple shield generators to create overlapping, smaller, bubbles that end up fitting the shape more closely.
@@natedaniels3655 Now they do, before it? Not so much; Check phantom.menace, Naboo fighter at Lucrehulk getting shit fromdl droid. Shield is copying hull.
1:46 is that the NX class (retrofit)?
huh
Walker-class.
Perhaps if they hadn’t of disrespected Star Trek lore by (very poorly) redesigning the iconic Klingons, there wouldn’t have been as much hate. Truly one of the worst and most unnecessary mistakes. Imagine if Darth Vader was redesigned.
People thought the TMP redesign was “disrespectful” of lore. Trek fans just hate on anything new.
Wait.. you dont like those klingons that loves garnets?:D
@@agamemnonn1 the refit of the enterprise in TMP? It was almost universally loved. The movie was bashed for being somewhat dull and plodding.
Problem is... the Klingons look stupid in every iteration of ST 😂
@@agamemnonn1that not true honestly why do discovery fans use the same poor excuses and blame people for telling the truth. You and anyone who uses this excuse are not fans and have no logical argument to use orther than this accusing people of being racist, sexist and bigots for what bad writing it shows you don't know what star trek means and teaches and inspires people to achieve and it's truly sad
My biggest question throughout this entire series was: Where are the phasers? Like its what seperates Star trek from star wars weaponry. These guys shooting lasers at one another but that era already had phaser tech(as seen in strange new worlds and st: ent) so we turning this into a Star wars show with star trek sprinkled on? :/
So in that timeline Klingon are a kind of amphibian barbarians?
Okay, maybe not the most epic battle in Star Trek, but I think Discovery has the most epic and best first season by far. Very underrated.
What is with all the open floor space on the bridge? Is that where they hold their hoedowns?
PS... if this is the Most Epic? Why did you cut out half of it?
he had to because copy right infringement all clips are less then 5 minutes long for that reason
The Way of the Warrior, Call to Arms, The Sacrifice of Angels, The Changing Face of Evil etc all from DS9 were vastly superior to this.
No they weren’t. You’re just being nostalgic and hating just to hate.
Yes.. and even CGI is better.. which is beyond me..
The sound effects in this seem a lot less cinematic. WHT -WHT -WHT WHT WHT WHT -WHT
@@AjdamusMagnusno it’s not, Discovery has better CGI than any other Star Trek. DS9 is my favorite Star Trek but you guys are just wrong
@@hodorfashodor2947 No it definetely has not. Even Star Trek Fist Contac thas better CGI and thats more than 20 years old. I just rewatched DS9 and Voygager and Discovery is like shit. Like cinematic from old games. No photorealism. I dont get how someone can get such non reaslitci CGI with modern CGI. It is disgrace.
Rewatch DS9. Check Defiant. That ship LOOKS LIKE IS IT THERE. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT IN DISCOVERY. If you say so - time to visit yor eye doctor or there is smth with your monitor.
Georgio was the best thing about this show
I miss Trek when it was still Trek
Shall we rise up together... And give them the fight they deserve?
These Jar Jar Abrams type aliens aren't Klingons.
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Borg attack on Earth in First Contact, Klingon attack on DS9, Battle of Chin'Toka: Am I a joke to you?
So the Klingons shave their heads for some reason
Calling it the best battle of all time is a bit much.
It's certainly one of the best battles in disco.
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Honestly my only issue was that if Burnham could destroy that ship, there probably wouldn't be so many losses. Klingons only know war. If you beat them at their own game, they will learn to respect and hold off on attacking
STD... seems legit.
But he is right.
Two guys kissing at end, what was it a war in their pants?
The federation lost the first battle but won the war at the very last..
They didn't win, the Klingons just decided they had better things to do than blow up Earth.
I think the federation are the bad guys.
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best ever? lol! not even close. Enterise E vs the schimitar was the best!
Most epic battle? Guy hasn’t watched many Star Trek episodes
DS9 still had way better battles 25years ago lol
Wolf 359
First contact Borg Vs starfleet fight
The dominion conflict episodes
Vastly superior.
I will never accept these as Klingons.discovery blew it.
What about the Klingons of Star Trek The Original Series ?
Hyd they even change the way the Klingons looked?!
So silly dude, just so silly. hAHAHA Fools weren't even at battlestations when the attack started hahaha If shields are holding at 100% how tf do you have hull breaches?
And so that biggest disgrace to this beloved franchise began. No one could even imagine the unbearable shitshow that was about to follow.
Oh please…don’t be so over dramatic. It went 5 seasons because there was enough viewership. It wasn’t want we hoped for, but there was some good stuff here.
@@jcs1025 No.
@@style0vertalent191god sci fi fans are so whiny. They complain anytime anything changes, people whined so hard about the changes in TNG, and now it’s universally beloved. I don’t think discovery is that good but it’s hardly the worst thing to ever happen to the franchise. I remember Star Trek 5, Star Trek 7, and Star Trek 9
@@About37Hobos God I'm so tired of hearing the same bullshit over and over again. I am not whiny because I criticize products of a franchise. I'm not exaggerating when saying Discovery is one of the - if not THE - worst AAA-Series I've ever seen and I've probably watched more already than you ever will. I also don't care what people thought about TNG at first or later. It's pretty simple - the first season was, is and will always be garbage because especially Picard, but also the others, behave like garbage and it's overall nonsense. Then they've realized that, it was changed and the show became pretty good for the time. Agree with that or not, that's the facts to it. Like the first season, don't like the rest - fine, whatever, I don't care but facts stay facts. Personally I don't like the series because it's too old and everythings still a bit weird but that's me. I would never say it was bad because I don't like it for these reasons.
Also I can't believe someone would put the 5th, 7th and especially the 9th movie below Discovery...or anything, ever. Saying that is basically so absurd that I think you're trolling because my brain won't accept it as a fact that someone could think that way. That's like saying 'man, that literal piece of shit tastes better than a menu in the best restaurant in the world'. I mean 5 wasn't a good movie, 7 was somewhat okay and 9 was a good movie because of what the cast had established in the franchise until then. Other than that, 9 was pretty mediocre also, judging objectively. Even watching Star Trek 1 AND 5 for a 1000 times is better than having to endure a single minute of Discovery. That's the extent of a shitshow it is. I could easily rant for hours and hours about every episode and sometimes probably about almost every scene of an episode and that would STILL only be based on facts that just exist in the business. Normally I even watch bad stuff from franchises I care about several times to REALLY make up my mind and discuss in-depth. It's literally impossible with Discovery. I can't even force myself to do it.
Now that's that. There are many things in life that are up to taste and personal preferences. The quality of Discovery is none of those things, sorry.
Some of the comments here, lol. People still upset they didn’t get their shot-for-shot remake of The (Slow) Motion Picture with 70s era sets and effects.
I only saw some of season one . I refuse to pay CBS for their +++. I do know that I got tired of listen to Klingon's talk. I don't want to read subtitles.
What I've heard mostly is that "Discovery" was to much like a Opera of the Valkyries, very little actual Star Trek leadership and social meanings content. When they say, "It isn't over 'til the fat lady sings..." what do you think that means to you? It means unending theater with warriors yelling raising swords and then more scenes and then another one, and finally you can wake up because we all see the fat lady is singing so it's finally over? Based on that description, "Discovery" was not directed well by comparison to others in the Star Trek franchise, and you can not expect production success all reliant upon the Actors. This isn't to say there aren't some good scenes and great acting moments, but over-all the directing in this project was not as successful as I'm sure was wanted. I've heard a lot saying the casting was not great, but again my experience in ten years of small screen TV producing, is that it is directing that is center point to this problem. Yet, it is more about understanding what a specific Director needs, that is the operative question and it is not all on those shoulders alone. It is a Production Company.
The show is awful
You're an idiot
Yawn.
Fddd/d
Ddd/d
How this show went to utter shit after this episode
I haven't seen all of s2 and none of s3 but s1 was phenomenal and what I saw of s2 was great too.
Trekkies are just bitter over it for silly reasons, IMO. I mean, maybe it's because I've always been a bigger fan of Star Wars than Star Trek but yeah, Discovery is my absolute favorite Star Trek content so far.
@@jakobfel2 Yeah, lots of people are really bitter about this show. A little *too* bitter in ways that I don't get. A bit like Star Wars fans who are the same way about the new movies. Possibly because in both cases, they're different from what they're used to. And they have to change to survive, and appeal to new audiences that aren't the rusted-on die hards who just want more of the old stuff back.
To those people, I say this: Go back to the old stuff, no one has stolen it from you, it's still there. Let us enjoy stuff we like, ok?
@@jakobfel2 I think Disco has a ton of flaws, which is why I eventually tapped out and gave up after season 2.
That being said, the criticisms people have of Disco being "too political" or too "SJW" are some of the dumbest things i've ever heard in my life. Star Trek from day 1 has always been political. The only difference is obviously Trump lovers are colossal snowflakes who can't handle even the smallest criticisms of him
@@skippythealien9627 I'm a Trump supporter and I never felt targeted. What's more is I also disagree with the idea that Star Trek (including Discovery) has ever been political. People look for negativity anywhere they can.
@@danielharvison7510 maybe because it's woke culture checklist propaganda shit just like everything else now.
I can see why this show failed. It is just plain stupid.
well yeah when they can't come up with better shit then this it makes sense it failed
Cry more because star trek is better than star wars
@@PolishMechanik i mean.. yeah but i dont think thats the point they were making? new star trek and new star wars is ass.
Discovery didn't failed, it's still going on and about to enter it's fifth season. Shows that failed don't make it past the first season.
@@KalEl7802 and to this day i have no idea how... too many star trek fanboys will shovel shit into their mouths so long as its in the bastardized shape of the enterprise i guess...
The new Klingons still look awful.
@Fullashit Ministries - Yeah, except they don't look like Klingons.
Semi-epic battle. Terrible show. Bad acting. Bad writing. numerous uncessary changes to canon. Casting based on what diversity square would be filled and not on talent.
That's not epic, that's a brainless CGI festival!
Those stars identify as non binary 😮
I remember falling asleep and waking up when things settled up so dunno man, it's not all about CGI, it's also about the character's attachment, and here I had zero attachment, it was like watching some factions fighting each other before Picard showed up lol. Plus they copied a lot from Star Trek Enterprise's ultimate battle against the Xindi which was really epic!
I feel like this isn't cannon anymore. Picard season 3 is real star trek
Define “real” Star Trek…
Picard, that old whiny nitwit? That's what he's become. He's just way too old to be a legit captain.
I thought Picard s3 was real trek, until i rewatched a clip of TNG and DS9 then i remembered what trek is. Picard s3 is big improvement compared to STD tho no doubt.
@@agamemnonn1clearly something that you have not seen and need to but from all the comments of you attacking people who say anything accept it the greatest ever means that you don't have a clue what star trek is or means. And that you never seen anything besides discovery and probably not even that. All your response is the text book discovery fans responses. Before you say anything star trek literally saved my life and I own it a debt that I can never repay. I have seen every single episode of every series I've seen every single movie read almost every book and played every game and can objectively point out the good and the bad and respect people's opinions and I believe in everything that star trek teaches. Now no one is perfect but if you need him to define what star trek is you need to learn what it is and teaches. Discovery fans like you cry victim but they are And your comments have shown it that you and the disco trekkers and the toxic fans and are one of the biggest reasons that the fans are divided and it is disgusting and you need to stop being more accepting and respectful and treat everyone with the same respect as you want and stop attacking for different opinions you are not a trek fan and I offer you who a chance on a live stream to prove me wrong and if you won't accept it then you proved me right
God this was crap
My personal opinion is that star trek should never have klingons again... it's just too old and annoying.
Klingons are great. It's what Discovery made of them that's the problem. The TNG and DS9 era Klingons are a lot of fun.
The Klingons have evolved to become the Lizard people thanks to the Samaritan archeology & AA-Erich von Däniken teachings. Why else would they suddenly start wearing feathers?.
I liked the Klingon story line in the Discovery series. I thought it was great, & It was well written about the Tyler/Voq story & how he fell in love Michael Burnham & how L'rell put Voq inside Tyler & he was unaware of what she did to him & he was seeing glimpses of what she did to him The surgery procedure that was Tormenting him. He thought it was torture that he was remembering but it wasn't. He was slowly remembering the surgery that L'rell had done on him. I felt so sorry for him.. He was so in love Michael & losing her because of what was going through his mind & the HELL from the memories of what he went through.
@@paulacurtis1874 It is a decent setup, but it was badly executed. For starters, the flashbacks were very confused and mostly involved Tyler screaming so they really weren't very informative. Secondly, I imagine it would've worked much better if they had condensed it into one episode. I'm not an established writer but I'll try to give you an example.
(Edit: Also inclosing some criticism of the modern media below xD I got a bit carried away.)
While on the edge of Klingon territory, the Discovery picks up a distress call from a Klingon shuttle. Puzzled, they fly into Klingon space to investigate and find Tyler running away from a Klingon Bird of Prey in the stolen shuttle. The Discovery makes the ship back off and beams Tyler to sick bay. They also take the shuttle to examine its technology which would give the Federation an edge in the war.
There they treat Tyler's injuries and when he gets better he tells them that he was being held and tortured on the Bird of Prey and that he managed to escape by killing the guards and stealing a shuttle.
As Tyler has nowhere to go at the moment, they let him stay on Discovery. Tyler and Burnham, possibly because of guilt that she started a war that caused Tyler to suffer so much, or possibly because of Tyler's good looks, get rather close. However, Burnham starts to notice some oddities in his behaviour. One minute he's calm and relaxed, next thing you know he's getting very annoyed about something without a good explanation. A few days later an argument breaks out in the mess hall. It turns into a fight and the security finds Tyler fighting with Klingon-like ferocity and skill. He is confined to quarters for the time being while the others ponder what's going on. Meanwhile, the chief engineer checks the shuttle Tyler escaped in. He finds it very curious that the shuttle didn't seem protected by any security codes that would prevent Tyler from escaping. The shuttle's computer seems obliging enough and he manages to discover some information about the shuttle. Among other things, he finds that Tyler was lucky that the shuttle was there, because the ship he was held on had two shuttle bays, one of which was empty at the time. If the shuttle Tyler escaped on was in the other bay, he would've had to walk much further and would probably have died along the way. He also discovers that the shuttle's atmosphere had slightly less oxygen than Klingons usually require and closer to human level (22% instead of 25%, for example). The final straw comes, when he returns the next day and tells the ship's computer to turn the lights on, and the shuttle's computer responds as well. A Klingon computer taking orders (in English, mind you) from a human seems most peculiar. It really looks like the Klingons wanted Tyler to escape. The Chief reports these suspicions to Lorca, who agrees that Tyler could be a spy and decides to search his quarters. Tyler, of course, protests - politely at first, but soon he becomes violent and has to be stunned. While he's unconscious, the doctor is given permission to take a closer look at his brain and discovers a chip that carries Voq's brainwave patterns, at which point the whole thing becomes apparent. Michael asks if it's possible to remove the chip, to which the doctor responds that he'd rather not risk it because it might damage something else. Michael succeeds in making it less powerful and when Tyler wakes up he seems to be much more peaceful (though moody at times).
I think an episode like this would work much better than slowly dragging one simple story over an entire season.
For one thing, it's manipulation. If you stop telling a story, people will still wonder how it ends. It makes the viewer invest hours upon hours of their time to find out, and in the end it really doesn't matter if the story is well-written. This of course is great for the producers because watchtime = money and they = lazy. They grab your attention with flashy lights and the promise of a good story, and when you don't get it in the first episode, they just say: "Hey, don't be impatient, it'll all clear up in the next one." And when it doesn't: "Okay, next one. I promise." And when they finally bring their mediocre story to an end, they say: "Oh, but before I end the story, they also found the USS Enterprise! Be sure to stick around and see what happened then!"
This seems to be alarmingly common nowadays. TV Shows have become really long movies aired in several takes. Criticism also seems to be becoming a crime because a simple viewer obviously doesn't know anything about literature and what the writer wanted to express with their work. The thing is, what the viewer thinks of the movie/TV Show is actually vitally important. If I make you a soup and people find it too salty, it's not because you don't know anything about cooking. It's because there's too much salt in it. But more importantly, if I denied everything and called you stupid for not understanding the fine profession of cooking, you'd likely never accept soup from me again because you know I never considered the slightest possibility that I had made a mistake. The same should go for movies and TV shows. If it's bad, the author should be ready to lose the trust of the consumers. But, incredibly, they're not.
Agreed. I've always found them to be super overrated, even the old school variety. I dislike them for the same reason that I largely dislike the Mandalorians in Star Wars: they're just a bland warrior culture with the illusion of depth/complexity when in reality, it just boils down to "our 'honor' comes from violence".
This show finally ended the greatest debate in Star Trek. Which Star Trek show was the worst? For years many leaned toward DS9 as the worst ST show but others claimed that it was Enterprise and still others - sick, demented people - claimed that Voyager or TNG or TOS was the worst. Things change though....Star Trek Diversity was truly a dumpster fire and many claimed that it was physically impossible to make a show that was worse than Diversity but never underestimate the woke hipsters, pretentious woke hacks and shallow, virtue signaling narcissists that work for the company. Then they shocked the world by coming out with Picard....where our favorite Star Trek Captain is turned into a blundering and ineffectual buffoon who gets bossed around by various "POC birthing people".
DS9 and Enterprise are both amazing imo.
DS9 usually gets picked for being the #1 fan favorite show, and Enterprise is my personal favorite of all the shows. I think TNG is probably the best made, but Enterprise really stuck with me.
And what the fuck do you mean ”Star Trek Diversity??” If you are insinuating that Discovery is somehow bad for being Diverse, that is the biggest steaming pile of bullshit I’ve ever heard; Star Trek has tried to promote inclusivity and diversity as one of its #1 messages since TOS. Hell, just look at TOS. Episodes were banned all over for it being too progressive with its diversity at the time. It was one of Roddenberry’s strongest beliefs that we are stronger together, and Star Trek as a franchise is meant to show that to the extreme; Discovery continues this.
Discovery and Picard are plagued with very poor writing, but the fact that they progressive just means they’re following the footsteps of every Trek show that came before them. I love that we finally got to see a nonbinary character exploring their identity and how the show explored concepts that are relevant to today’s younger generation, I like that we got to see an LGBT couple finally depicted. Simple moments of representation like that go a long way; for TOS, it was as simple as having Uhura and Sulu on the bridge and that was controversial.
Also “Woke hipsters,” “POC birthing people.” Lmfao you sound insufferable. If THAT is your problem with these new shows, and good riddance if you’re not a fan anymore! My main problem with Disco is that it heavily ignored canon at times… But the diversity is great to see!
Typical discovery fan. Let's get this straight this is literally one of the worst space battles in all of science fiction. By labeling it the most epic space battle shows you have not seen Deep Space Nine who has done with not even close to the same budget more epic battles and should have been the perfect example for them to do and improve on but sadly failed.There are space battles in the animated shows star wars clone wars and rebels that put this to shame. I am a die hard trekkie and own my life to star trek because it saved me in a period of my life were I had nothing and no one and what discovery fans have done and the show to the franchise is a bad joke. Discovery has done nothing but self inflicted injury with bad writing, force relationships and un real stories were trek is supposed to give hope and inspiration the. Orginal series tng, ds9, Voyager and Enterprise has inspired advancement in everything and inspired people to do and try and build and bring it to reality and taught people to accept accountability for their actions and to treat everyone the same and respect people and their opinions. This or any new trek has not they can't even get the established races right. This is not me hateing on the show it is telling the truth and that is the problem with discovery fans and I proved it on more than one occasion majority of them not only say that they watch it but have never seen an episode which is wrong. But I challenge you and extend my hand to you or anyone who wants to take part in it friendly debate/discussion on trek I bet you won't take part in it and it's a shame I've seen every single episode and movie trek has made countless times played every game and read countless books and had my life saved and shaped by the franchise and I am a true star trek historian and expert and it's time for the creator and the franchise to give a true expert who can point out the good and the bad and who not only predicted the plot of every new trek but can give them a narrative that pushes the same things and agenda they want to be more natural and bring the spark back and if given a chance and opportunity to prove it will shock you and prove what I say.
Star trek is woke crap...
Burnham is the number one villain in the first two episodes. She obviously gets out of jail somehow (🙄) and we have to look at her stupid arrogant mug some more.